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BingoBoingo: Sometimes you have to look past everything else and jsut acknowledge some big titties.
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adlai: pete_dushenski: where's that from?
cazalla: seen a few variations of that pop up
adlai: i'm ashamed to admit that i have no clue what idiocy could produce such an error
Pierre_Rochard: tried it myself, got “Invalid size” error. May be an API bug (or photoshopped)
cazalla: client side apparently.. not that i'd know
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: hello! how’s the new ride been treating you?
Pierre_Rochard: do you need chains on the wheels or are they civilized enough to sweep?
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard they plow, sweep, etc. plus i have blizzak winter tires
assbot: Breaking: Canadian Exchange QuadrigaCX to Become World’s First Publicly Traded Bitcoin Exchange – Bitcoin Magazine ... (
http://bit.ly/1ELmFF6 )
nubbins`: dat feb state of bitcoin address
Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
☟︎ pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard so basically a bank you already know and trust with a btc trading platform
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may have to watch again less drunk, but I believe Poitras was behind the camera most of the time.
nubbins`: for those of you who collect shiny things:
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard anything new on your end these days ? any accounting software updates ?
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 08:58:24; mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: I’ve split the accounting logic from the webapp so that it’s just a python package. Cleaner and decrufted. Getting close to a stable-enough version to write up documentation
gabriel_laddel: as for the original PSP, 76.3 million sales (as of March 31, 2012)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00037428 = 29.0816 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ^ Potentially useful for home 100nm IC fab
decimation: pete_dushenski: segregated fiat? like 100% reserve, physical bills laying in a warehouse?
nubbins`: quadrigacx lets you deposit gold
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Dunchu No, U let everyone deposit everything and just hope some sort of market stability sticks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00037631 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: gold->btc easier if this works
pete_dushenski: decimation lol don't ask me, it's Pierre_Rochard's fantasy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the previous generation PowerPC. Pure Apple style trechery.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo which new console is running powerpc guts ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Neither, but the Ms360 and PS3 were bother powerPC
decimation: I don't think we yanks can send money to canadian banks
pete_dushenski: heh, who knew that i have a powerpc collecting dust at home!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amazing the damage a single decade does
decimation: pete_dushenski: paypal does canadian EFT?
Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Then again the PowerPC console generation came as Apple left the architecture and IBM wanted anyone else to jsutify its continued work there
decimation: Pierre_Rochard: I kinda assumed that non-scam exchanges would do this, but apparently nobody can resist
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The value of the game consoles was the illusion of volume
BingoBoingo: But M$ in particular hit the same issues that sent Apple away "Red Ring of Death"
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Intended meaning one line lower. Vodka time
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Of course it is, but... semiconductor lithography... In the neighbor's shed!
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decimation: re: petraeus < I said they would never prosecute, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not
decimation: it will be interesting to see how he is sentenced
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but cleaning after the fact is the next best thing to starting from a clean workspace
BingoBoingo: decimation: Basically it seems the objective of the scandal was to keep him out of national politics. Mission accomplished as it rarely is.
BingoBoingo: Sure, Just cutting out safety seems to open a number of options. Like it does in batteries.
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decimation: BingoBoingo: that's an interesting angle on petraeus (keeping him out of politics)
decimation: of course nearly everyone in washington is guilty of exactly the same crimes
decimation: yeah, nuclear reactors are actually pretty simple in principle
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, but I imagine applications of walking biodiesel
decimation: asciilifeform: well, look at that diane roark chick
BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is he took the post as an active duty officer and the affair itself presented another potentially chargeable crime.
decimation: agents took nearly all of her personal papers and 'decided' which ones were actually classified at their own discretion
decimation: then they argue that the courts are not able to decide these matters
BingoBoingo: decimation: But UMCJ would have applied. Part of the way to defanging nation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Petraeus's greatest problem was going as high as a primate could go. Purely sublizard being
decimation: someone at DOJ had an agenda against him
BingoBoingo: decimation: Higher you go the more UCMJ hit if it is applied
decimation: everything usg does has a civil servant with an agenda behind it
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, but instead he's going to jail instead of taking a demotion
decimation: I don't get how that is even in the same ballpark
BingoBoingo: decimation: Hasn't been sentenced yet. Anyways UCMJ provides for the occasional death penalty
decimation: at any rate, I suspect the whole petraeus affair is merely designed to pour encourager les autres while simultaneously dinging a potential political rival
BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Oh, the Harry Potter thing updated with two new chapters and still isn't over yet.
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decimation: “There is light in the world, and it is us!" Eliezer Yudkowsky, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality << "We are the ones we've been waiting for" Obama
BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought to be expected as I'm from a town with "auf wiedersehen" on the signs at its borders
trinque: decimation: hilarious how close that is to christian rhetoric
trinque: same heaven on earth myth too
decimation: trinque: as a Christian I find their statements abhorrent
decimation: because it asserts a form of 'christianity' without Christ
decimation: "man is your god, and I am your prophet"
trinque: right-o, it's a sort of techno-atheist christianity
BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking?
☟︎ trinque: decimation: seems like bitcoin has attracted a lot of christians, not that I mind. I'm curious why that is, if so
decimation: BingoBoingo: what about your woodchipper fetish harry potter?
trinque: maybe there are more out there than I think
BingoBoingo: decimation: Had the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own.
BingoBoingo: decimation: And I did not write the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for tales of awesome machines.
decimation: trinque: for myself, my interest in bitcoin flows directly from my interest in competent government
decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
☟︎ danielpbarron: decimation, what do you think of this?: Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
trinque: danielpbarron: sounds like antibitcoin
danielpbarron: "no one may buy or sell except one who has ... the number of his name"
trinque: danielpbarron: heh I could project the beast's key and my key onto that too
decimation: danielpbarron: revelation is a difficult book. I have no idea what that means
trinque: danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church
decimation: danielpbarron: it is very interesting though
danielpbarron: i'm not saying GPG and the WoT is the number and the beast necessarily, but the similarity is more striking than most ideas i've heard
danielpbarron: seems more likely than the idea that carbon credits and rfid chips are the beast and mark
trinque: danielpbarron: evil does that doesn't it? takes something and twists it just a hair
trinque: bitcoin plus some kind of address validation scheme plus govt-captured mining
trinque: sure, it'd be just like that
danielpbarron: Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have
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decimation: danielpbarron: that was what I was going to bring up next. this text (romans 13) is difficult to put into practice in a universal suffrage democracy
decimation: who exactly is to be the object of your submission? the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor?
danielpbarron: the USG is surely wicked in that it enforces laws that are counter to The Bible
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Could even the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers?
danielpbarron: but if we are to take God at His word, even this wicked government is for good
BingoBoingo: Anyways, revelations is awfully late to be considered God's word.
decimation: but that 'goodness' might be delivered through great destruction
trinque: sounds a lot more like that guy John went on one hell of a psychedelic trip
BingoBoingo: End of the world stuff would probably be better in Ezekiel with the horse dicks
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, interestingly enough consider if someone came along who could factor any number of arbitrary length -- would that not appear to be a miracle?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I'd need to know if they have a time machine or not.
trinque: danielpbarron: the passivity in romans 13 is the kind of thing I rejected on the way out of the church
trinque: I could see myself in the past saying "well, if this 'authority' is not godly, they're no real authority"
danielpbarron: i think it's along the lines of how this world is temporary anyway -- it's like the tower of babel to try to make heaven on earth
danielpbarron: i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i think i'd rather have b-a in charge if there is a choice
trinque: danielpbarron: ultimately no one's in charge of much
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. Tis the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets to see the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think whoever they are is in the DoS loop
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They keep getting voiced, bumped to guest*** and rejoining
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:36:26; danielpbarron: such a person could sign a message as any user
danielpbarron: isn't a private key a composite number with two very large prime numbers?
trinque: +BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not
adlai: not really, there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and there's no need to factor anything
mircea_popescu: looking in the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic"
adlai: ok, so the confusion was on my end :)
adlai: although not all gpg keys are rsa
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish though it lacks backwards compatibility or they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily.
BingoBoingo: IN the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't too bad compared to DES, provided the grammar and semantics are unique
danielpbarron: even though it's still not proven, i'll go out on a limb saying that the ability to factor a number of arbitrary length would have to come from a supernatural source, and such a being could probably break all the alternative methods
BingoBoingo: If anyone has a time machine to lend I have all kinds of trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer than it takes to start the machine alone with it.
adlai: well anyone can factor a number of arbitrary length in arbitrary time... consistently being able to factor arbitrary length numbers in constant time, now that is a 'supernatural' algorithm, relative to current knowledge
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mircea_popescu: this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done.
adlai is no longer a pay pal >:(
mircea_popescu: i remember a time, maybe 10 or so years ago, when having a paypal was like, a point of pride.
adlai: >:( expresses annoyance, not shame (or lack of pride)
adlai: ;;ticker --market all
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adlai: chicken coming down to roost
danielpbarron: lol paypal nags me every time i log in now about how i haven't given them enough KYC but they let me send money regardless
adlai needs to try this as coding music
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind.,
decimation: adlai: recently i've become a fan of arvo pärt (yes, via moldbug)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. << Is any truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender the truth of mathematics to language?
decimation: asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping track of the symbols
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't think this is a good sign"
adlai: fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your idea of widely differs from nature.
mircea_popescu: what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on the same three contractors ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say that package management can only be properly done at the language level?
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages.
adlai: asciilifeform: any particular reason for your love of ada, specifically?
decimation: asciilifeform: well, this is a general problem in C programming - the failure to provide a global namespace
decimation: "no, I want the writef() that does the stuff, not the writef() that displays singing monkeys"
decimation: asciilifeform: also it's probably never going to attract hipsters
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, "uni studends" right. "use" mhm kay.
BingoBoingo is working on the pressing problem of testing other possible bitcoind/qts atm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far been searchin for 95 compatible gnat and IDE safety net
adlai: Version: 1.0 (17-MAR-86)
adlai: iirc that's before 0.5.3
adlai: windows filesharing
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem
mircea_popescu: "Samba is a suite of SMB and CIFS client/server programs." szus nothing to me
adlai: "had"? i thought there was at least one working lispm in the republic!
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 23:59:18; PeterL: sorry, cazalla
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26954 @ 0.00038246 = 10.3088 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack.
decimation: asciilifeform: I spent a few days trying to get ada working on osx 10.9, gave up
decimation: macports has a 'port' of gcc-gnat , but it requires an existing ada compiler to build
adlai: lcd trip = lsd + advertisements?
decimation: asciilifeform: macports suggested four alternatives, none of which were available or worked
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adlai: asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
adlai: you used a regular keyboard with the lispm?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:11:52; Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it
adlai: or the symbolics keyboard with the emulator?
adlai: BingoBoingo: "why did the dinosaur cross the road? because the chicken hadn't yet evolved"
BingoBoingo: adlai: If I had knowledge to author regex, I'd have a refutation...
adlai: no, you'd have two problems
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adlai: regex authorship is a treacherous knowledge
BingoBoingo: adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral
gabriel_laddel: interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:16:52; asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement.
BingoBoingo: Amazingly sbcl, no problem on OpenBSD. Any Ada at all, huge fucking pain.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you stil lthink 18mn units sold means something ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Haven't got response to it yet, lack time for my Micheal J Fox hands. adlai Even bitcoin-qt threads beautifully here
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of like looking for a soviet army unit without a political comissar.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is"
mircea_popescu: they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world.
adlai: gabriel_laddel: c.l.l...
gabriel_laddel: adlai: I was linking you to it b/c you asked why one might want a lispm
BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But on what? (easier to answer for what I am drunk on than the others)
adlai: for values of EtOH approaching Δ9-THC
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i'm reading, thank you. asciilifeform dunno, i recognize many sections by number
decimation: asciilifeform: regex does seem to be a kind of 'hair shirt' that is proudly worn by modern programmers
adlai: ;;isup l1sp.org/mop
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
mircea_popescu: the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head.
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adlai: you people seen tlsnotary yet?
mircea_popescu: which will make large banking concerns impossible, but perhaps to no detriment.
decimation: BingoBoingo: one thing snowden is his brazen equivocation between domestic and foreign espionage
decimation: ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden
gabriel_laddel: adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it?
adlai: tlsnotary lets you turn any bank with functional online services into the fiat side of a wot-based exchange
adlai: tlsnotary [purports to let you]*, (but they seem to know what they're doing, as far as i can tell)
BingoBoingo: decimation: Snowden is still you enough for an Anerican to be angry about his circumstances of origin. Provided the documentary interviews actually involved him he seemed personally slighted that his HK room hotel phone listened.
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i was just trying to show off more l1sp.org features
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha they took reop as is... Even with the part where it only exists as a "go" turd
decimation: BingoBoingo: snowden seems to be 5% 'whistleblower' and 95% 'media sensation'
adlai: asciilifeform: the convenience of pgp with all the trustlessness of ssl!
BingoBoingo: decimation: Media sensation part seem sto mostly have been an asbestos jacket. He seems, if film was honest to know it was a life shortening ploy, but less so than what manning did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think the idiocy of a bureaucrat is remarkable to any degree ?
mircea_popescu: he thinks his life is a life, and his woman a woman, and so on and so forth
adlai guesses that $censored_guild has set the bar rather low...
decimation: ultimately, snowden's downfall is that he's a libertard, and that by 'creating a conversation' or 'raising awareness' he can accomplishing anything is a fallacy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe have one of the more socially perceptive girls screen the citizenfour thing to see if it is worthy of your eyes. Nothing about it suggest weakening opsec in the slightest. Just do they get the same Greenwald was the snitch vibe that I did.
adlai mourns the pun's sad lonely death
decimation: mircea_popescu: satans invisible world revealed?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WOuld explain alot about Omi*'s reported media empire failure method
decimation: BingoBoingo: it's pretty obvious that snowden got 'help' from somebody
mircea_popescu: decimation nope. understand : when usg wants to impress me it's stuck prosecuting derps like shrem.
mircea_popescu: puts every single usg drone in a very uncomfortable position.
BingoBoingo: decimation: May also be infered from film that he prolly fucked the Poitras chick to here positive reception
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meta-people, basically. unable to act because stuck pondering implications as a passtime.
mircea_popescu: adlai all this "evangelist" bs. they should just hire linda for an evening's outcall and stfu already.
decimation: asciilifeform: they would see themselves as reformers
mircea_popescu: the usg essentially consists of this : "instead of doing anything, why not sit on your ass and ruminate the future ?"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No greenwald loves the cock. Talking likely Snowden Poitras affair
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i muchly doubt anyone ever fucked the poitras chick.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But you haven't even heard the loving narration.
mircea_popescu: she has that vibe. the female equivalent of the male creep.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thar she does, but snowden was compelled to "prison rules"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more studies needed, this is the controversy, progress and change, all sortsa gunk.
BingoBoingo: Snowden2 though contacted the wrong one of the set of journalists first and was quieted.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:00:58; *: BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress
BingoBoingo: Film was ambiguous, but leaned towards greenwald having been contacted first.
adlai: or one from the wrong set from the set of sets of journalists
adlai recalls some mention of poitras being contacted first, but read this in an interview with her and only her
BingoBoingo: decimation: I mean Petraeus was on track to be the next two term president following Obola based on his opposition to Obola which would have followed both without consequence
decimation: snowden might have contacted wikileaks acting as a foil for the russian security services
adlai wonders how much longer the business model of leak-digestion will survive, before leakers just... leak
decimation: at any rate, I don't think poitras or greenwald have enough of a clue to move a person of interest across borders
BingoBoingo: adlai: Snowden successfully contacted Poitras first. More than a year after attempting Greenwald the frist time. Not sure, but second snowden seemed to contact Greenwald while snowden1 in Moscow. Disappeared.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:15:38; *: BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking?
adlai: but this is not even his final form! beware platypus-hitler
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:22:22; decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary
adlai: BingoBoingo: i've lost track of the snowden's of yesteryear
mircea_popescu: the us fed is just about ready to implement the ancient christian venice.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the meating of usary has changed over the ages
BingoBoingo: adlai: You are kinda in the USian ideology testlab. sounds dangerous
adlai isn't sure whether BingoBoingo is talking about geopolitics, ideology, or some mix of them; and to what degree trolling/mockery is distinguishable from his own actual opinions/beliefs
BingoBoingo: adlai: Modern Israel is nothing more or less than the average middle west resident imagines gryffindor to be
mircea_popescu: the common law has some categories. there's robbery, with violence. there's theft, without violence but with the knowledge of the victim. there's fraud, without the initial knowledge of the victim. there's embezzelment, where the victim isn't a person per se. and there's defalcation, which is merely negligent or reckless, rather than intentional.
decimation: it's hard to say, because who can divine the intent of usg?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 03:25:17; danielpbarron: isn't a private key a number?
adlai: slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?"
BingoBoingo working on that since I can't code for shit
BingoBoingo: <adlai> slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?" << At our local malls those were all hookers at the carts
adlai: mircea_popescu: it gets better when you realize that even everypair's a number
adlai: eg, "compressed ECDSA key" is pretty much the same general idea as the proof that there are 'as many' rational numbers as integers
adlai: uncompressed ECDSA key = (x,y) on the curve; compressed = a single number that can have the coordinates extracted from it, because the lines described by the range of compressed keys each intersect the [top half of the] curve at one point
BingoBoingo: Are we sure the fanfic propaganda guy isn't a teen girl "As it turned out, nobody had worked out that her challenging Neville to a Most Ancient Duel meant that she liked him. She'd thought it would be obvious but no, nobody else had even thought of that apparently."
adlai: concatenation doesn't work, you need to interleave
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Actual line from text you though worthy of offering a solution to: "Currently she was being referred to as the Sparkly Unicorn Princess of the Noble and Most Ancient House of Sparklypoo."
adlai: (or use funky encodings)
mircea_popescu: cast down the heretic adlai, he means to leaven our numbers!
adlai is still trying to get over the amazement that there's the 'same number' of rationals and complexes
mircea_popescu: only if your definition of complexes is based on rational parameters.
mircea_popescu: true that this is the pedestrrian definition given in school
mircea_popescu: a fine example of "teachning kids math = making kids unable to understand math"
assbot: It's not the sauce, it's the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1DKl6TD )
adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes
BingoBoingo: * adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes << Aleph progresses in cardenality up through ALeph sub aleph
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, people have been trained to believe in this "upgrade and everything's gonna be better" mantra.
mircea_popescu: worst fucking idea ever. but it's so much like "progress", and "what the consumers should come to expect"
adlai: (not yet convinced that real numbers 'exist' outside of theory and approximations)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target' << 9" model and .22 LR makes a nice pop when phosphors are too faded
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything later is just NeXT abotus
BingoBoingo: Born of the same reasoning that leads one to jack off inside a pussy in a .gif
BingoBoingo: But still eventually CRT phosphors become worn and mercy needs to be applied
BingoBoingo: The lead on glass on lead pop is a satisfying noise
decimation: asciilifeform: the devilish thing about apple 'upgrades' is that the old versions no longer exist
decimation: try 'upgrading' a 10.6 mac to 10.7 and not 10.8, for instance
trinque: decimation: not that I run OS X, but I think that justifies torrenting anything prior
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Are there any open spaces? the cheapest .22 LR rounds tend to be more satisfying. If you have a camera that can capture slow motion, especially avoid the copper plate ones
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I have a couple of early intel macbooks that have been abandoned
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Weird. Five minutes walk from here is a zone where absolute lawlessness is permitted
☟︎ decimation: they run 10.6.8, and will forever I guess
decimation: even macports is failing to keep updates going, because they were 32-bit
decimation: I did manage to hack the efi bootloader into 'dual booting' gentoo once
decimation: but it was pointless because of the driver brokenness
adlai: random retardation of the day: trade history has no indication of whether an action took place on margin or was an asset exchange
decimation: it would be more 'comfortable' to use one of those tadpole laptops
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Honestly I'd prolly try to save it if I made it. Hard to find anything with built in 13w3
adlai: s2ram is just a fancy way of saying "leave the dustoff at the bureau, all you need is quick hands and an evidence bag"
decimation: yeah the suspend mode thing is really annoying
decimation: without it you just have a rather useless desktop
BingoBoingo: decimation: If you get the chance A/Ux is a pretty fun unix
decimation: eh, I rather have one of asciii's genera boxen
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My fascination stems from it being the first vagually *nixy thing I encountered.
decimation recalls using an ancient hp 'portable' computer running hp/ux as a youth
BingoBoingo: less than 3 years later I enountered mandrake linux more than 10 years more recent and was disappoint
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adlai: though it irks me to no end that the song is not in fact seven minutes long
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you did, imagine the warfain you'd need
decimation: asciilifeform: what about your chorded keyboard device? does that feel comfortable while lying down
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decimation: yeah, but it seems a chorded entry system of some kind would allow you to lay on your back
BingoBoingo: At some point faced with the twin maws of conspiracy and poisons one must choose discomfort of some measure.
adlai has yet to see a good human-touchscreen api for reading and editing source code... but assuming one existed, a 'tablet' would be quite convenient for bedcode
adlai: like the romans ate?
adlai: that cramps my vestigial wings
decimation: adlai: try waving your hands around like tom cruise in 'minority report' for about 10 minutes and see how you feel
trinque: adlai: I've got a sort of AST making circle menu thing in my head
trinque: have never tried to make it
trinque: you'd sort of crawl along the grammar
trinque: eventually though you need to type words...
adlai: decimation: touchscreen ≠ glove-activated vaporware
trinque: asciilifeform: cooler to look at for 5min I'd guess
adlai: ideally, something where i could hold the device with one hand, and do all tasks with a single finger... you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing, and a program-aware editor can do much much much better than the current keyboards because namespacing greatly narrows the likely lexemes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> clutters visual cortex << Wait you trust that api???
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That high up on the brain, thing could lie. Gotta trust the lizard brain and little higher
decimation: ^ above link demonstrates 'alternate text entry'
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah roughly that but with grammar rules
decimation: it would be good if you could only move your tongue though
BingoBoingo: If the responsible part of the brain touches the skull, my general rule is to doubt it
decimation: adlai: gesture typing sucks, at least as implemented on 'modern' phones
adlai: why should you trust an internal part of the brain any more than the grey stuff? it's not like you have [consciously available] stimuli re: what's happening there
decimation: I liked 'typing' gestures into my palm pilot, but somehow that technology disappeared
adlai: as i said, gesture typing needs to be boosted with program-awareness
decimation: yeah, modern gesture 'typepads' suck by comparison
decimation: asciilifeform: especially considering it had like 1% of the modern smartphone's cpu
adlai: when your likely input set is an entire language, even a crappy markov chain leaves tons of noise
trinque: adlai: I worked on a visual programming bullshit thing for a year and a half as a job
trinque: really don't think it can be made to do more than toy interfaces for end users
decimation: adlai: somehow customizing the input 'typepad algorithm' is a 'missing option' on all smart devices
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trinque: at least without a huge slowdown compared to typing it out
trinque: for example imagine doing sql joins with a venn diagram
trinque: but it seems like such genius with a single join!
decimation: trinque: asciilifeform has explained before why graphical interfaces suck for programming
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 05:30:33; decimation:
https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)"
trinque: language is precisely for this
adlai: typing [+slime-fuzzy] is likely to remain faster than pretty much any other muscle-based input, just due to evolutionary accident... but the quest here, as i see it, is for a drastically more convenient interface, which sacrifices less than the current ones (which aren't even that convenient)
trinque: this being describing some set of actions, facts, whatever, for something else to learn and/or carry out
trinque: adlai: what I'd like to see is the structure of the program in some way
trinque: use the visual part to traverse, not to write code
decimation: asciilifeform: have you followed the 'movement' to re-create stenotypes?
trinque: there are types of code mess that at least seem like they'd "look like shit" with the right goggles
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, I looked into them, but they seem useless for programming
decimation: the story I got was that those devices are priced at bezzle rates
adlai: anybody tried one-handed dvorak?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but try to hook it up to your computer to run emacs :)
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decimation: ah well then maybe it's straightforward
decimation: some folks try to make a 'ghetto steno' using a keyboard
decimation: but most keyboards cannot handle chorded keypresses
adlai: being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position
decimation: if not single hand, why not single finger? or two? can do with morse
trinque: adlai: I've got most of what I do in stump down to a single-handed binding
BingoBoingo: adlai> being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position << You'd be surprised what you can do when you surrender to WIMP, your keyboard has a clit, and the ETOH has reduced you to half f a lizard's funtioning brain mass
trinque: not as happy with stump as I'd hoped
trinque: I want an uppermost level concept of task, then several layouts for that task
trinque: I'm building that now around stump
decimation: asciilifeform: nah, he's using a keyer with very small entry force
trinque: might jack the "tasks" back into helm
decimation: if you wanna hurt your hand you use a straight key
trinque: adlai: neh once I extract the tasks thing from my config maybe
decimation: asciilifeform: sure, but only if you are doing it with alot of force
decimation: note he's moving his hand side-to-side
trinque: adlai: but! it improves daily as stumpwmrc and the repl side by side are a binding
adlai: trinque: please /join #stumpwm and share if/when you do
adlai has often pondered how to get stumpwm more aware of what the windows are doing, but the ways he imagines doing this involve teaching stumpwm more about the programs than they like to reveal programmatically
trinque: adlai: I'm just farting around with window titles
trinque: and in fact this sucks, since emacs changes it several times after making a new frame and loading shit
trinque: need to find a good place to call place-existing-windows
adlai: see why i'm so curious about the lispm :P
BingoBoingo wonders if he is the exception planning his interface not around his most capable moments, but around his least...
trinque: even if all it does is edit text, check email, and transfer files
adlai: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, i think of all this as 'stoner-proof productivity'
adlai: my goal is to increase transaction costs for distractions, and decrease them for productive activities - and have some reasonably real-time control over the productivity gradient
trinque: I can be blazed as hell and press one button
trinque: boom, project is open and arranged
decimation: my understanding is that in the ru high speed telegraphy is something of a minor sport
BingoBoingo: adlai: But even if your choice of intoxicant you set a floor for its effect
ben_vulpes: adlai: this distraction thing is a human factors problem.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Do you indulge in any aqueous intoxicants which push both your peripheral and centeral nervous system to functional minimums
adlai makes no a-priori constraints on intoxicant choices, since supply, demand, and the threat of violence are strict enough already
adlai: although i have a 'standing desk', which places a lower limit to the motor control necessary for all computer use
decimation: she doesn't have anything that is slowing down the propagation along her myelin sheaths :)
decimation: yeah it is probably providing audible 'beeps'
decimation: typically the way the keyer works is that one side is continuous dashes and the other is continuous dots
decimation: asciilifeform: probably the 'keyer' electronics
decimation: the fancy ones have alternating dots and dashes when held together
adlai: this (gurl's skill) is really just a matter of having a good word->twich compiler
decimation: she might have some kind of 'grading' software
mircea_popescu goes back to catching up oin the log for the 3rd time today
decimation: asciilifeform: I think ru still uses telegraphy in aircraft
decimation: asciilifeform: we don't even have typistgurls in the usa anymore
adlai: develop a good compiler-compiler for new daily telegraphies, and you don't even need crypto!
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 05:32:01; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Weird. Five minutes walk from here is a zone where absolute lawlessness is permitted
adlai: the real competition should be "who can learn fastest a new randomly-generated telegraph encoding"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I live on th other side of Illinois North/South Axis, still more lawless, especially if diversity is invoked
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 05:38:28; *: asciilifeform dreams every day of program-in-bed
adlai: i'm guessing the ones for hire have hardcoded, monolithic parser-compilers, from countless hours spent translating the same encoding... sure, it's impressive to watch, but useless when a new alphabet pops up
adlai: another solution is dictation, but it seems that for years to come, the best way to dictate code is via a human typist
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mircea_popescu: "you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing" basically you lot just aspire to be cripples.
mircea_popescu: "oh, how glorious if i couldn't stand and i only had one weavery appendage i could move"
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decimation: mircea_popescu: if one day you have a stroke and could only blink one eye, you might find the skill useful
mircea_popescu: i would certainly not use my only fucking remining blinker to code omfg.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu is colorblind, that's a kind of crippled
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're not the poor sod who'd starve without coding either.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [04:55] that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp' << wait wut? who biffed at this epic scale?
BingoBoingo doesn't imagine his ideal interface for coding uses, but for handling "ideal datacenter" eventually
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'long range aviation command' still flies those things
decimation: heh. to annoy countries across the ocean
trinque: you can't buzz your enemies with a rocket, turning back at the last moment
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ceremonial, and... at one point they outnumbered rockets... Hence NIke Hercules
decimation: wait, I thought dragoons were horse-mounted infantry
decimation: oh, re: La Marseillaise < I find the lyrics hilarious, especially in modern times
decimation: a white communist and a black algerian living in the suburbs could both sing La Marseillaise and mean exactly opposite things
decimation: asciilifeform: a dog is a useful asset in the military, for a variety of tasks
assbot: Special forces soldiers and their dogs take part in tandem parachute freefall | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1GQt80R )
trinque: sounds like a great way to get sprayed with shit and piss on the way down
mircea_popescu: google is now serving "filtered" results and no way to turn the shit off anymore ?!
mircea_popescu: ^ was going to say teh americans are taking their bitches
trinque: censorship, the humor destroyer
mircea_popescu: Moderate SafeSearch is on and clickable. if you click on it tho,. "Set your SafeSearch preferences in the blue box below." and the blue box says
mircea_popescu: Google's SafeSearch blocks web pages containing explicit sexual content from appearing in search results.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's this one bangbros if memory serves scene
mircea_popescu: where they did actually spend the 28k or w/e to shoot a chick being pounded in air
mircea_popescu: google has been on a shitmission the past 5 years or so, it becomes less and less useful.
mircea_popescu: well, apparently for some reason i can't have pronz in google nao.
mircea_popescu: last week they came up with the "no pronz in bloigger" thing, which got everyone riled up so they decided they'll just implement it covertly instead of overtly
mircea_popescu: and generally speaking i'm sick and fucking tired of the new generation of usians and their ideas about the world.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe yoy are being singled out
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mr Hands died organically, by horse and normal intestinal flora
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Literlly, Horse fucked Mr Hands to death
trinque: BingoBoingo: only took a few good thrusts
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Seriously that one, small waist big tits, what is the problem?
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspect that's how the entire anal stretcher niche got to be a thing.
trinque: bet it makes for easier human skull exit
trinque: I wonder if there've been cultures that did fisting as a sort of obvious "of course you fist before squatting out humans"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... or not. could fall out << Sutures
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have a purely anatomical view of what is a physiological process.
mircea_popescu: the girls that fist that i fucked don't have worse grasp than the naive set.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> superglue << Too great a chance of "healing"
mircea_popescu: similarly, the girls that can swallow a snake don't puke a lot.
BingoBoingo: Sutures spaced, don't make matching folds the same... cyanoacrylate though...
trinque: mircea_popescu: the thing does seem to have an "accepting" mode
trinque: activated by being well-fucked among other methods I'm sure
mircea_popescu: now obviously if done badly/traumatically the results are more like you know, that guy with the telephone poole
mircea_popescu: another internet classic which is apparently disappeared.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Why did you choose to name the #b-a lordship as such? Is there a historical system of governance you are drawing inspiration from in particular?
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BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform got up to check on... deer trying to get in << Left side of their face seems to be more receptive to blunt trauma if it comes to that... if your deer are anything like ours
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cazalla: haha holy fuck, derpopulous actually told the australian senate (with a straight face) he invisions a kid on a skateboard in indonesia running a billion dollar remittance business
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fluffypony: "I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?"
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jurov: mod6: i have (upon some consultation with you) already published kinda-0.5.3.1
jurov: so to keep things clear, would be best to notch the version up.. but since you already officially announced it
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jurov: btw, #bitcoin-foundation is taken and invite-only
jurov: but #bitcoinfoundation was free and is now regged to me
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danielpbarron: height=249322 vs height=198662 (usb3: height=234461)
jurov: <Pierre_Rochard> ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. << what about paymium?
☟︎ punkman: cazalla: who leaked the emails btw?
punkman: cazalla: "Antonopoulos' appearance as an expect witness" << expert*
cazalla: not sure tbh, likely someone that worked there seeing garza burned bridges with his previous cohorts
punkman: you should find out how much they paid derpopoulos
fluffypony: I hope that's autocorrect wobblies on his part
cazalla: fluffypony, nope, that is how he spells
punkman: typing on a touch screen is just the best
fluffypony: children should not be allowed to start companies.
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cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu did ya see kruger of kruger industrial smoothing died?
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: i have (upon some consultation with you) already published kinda-0.5.3.1 << wat?
jurov: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/?v=0.5.3.1 mod6 i explicitly asked you how to label this one
cazalla: apparently kruger shot himself in the head back in 2012 but it didn't work so good
jurov: and the consesus was 0.5.3.1 is as good as any
mod6: oh i see what you're saying
mod6: is that stuff patched?
jurov: yes, it was even published on website
mod6: i've never seen this before.
☟︎ jurov: "chicken" was first version
jurov: then there was (your) build script with
jurov: additional patches
jurov: which we agreed upon to call 0.5.3.1
jurov: and the development goe son
mod6: that's the base code
mod6: no, the unpatched source from the powerrangers.
jurov: because it does include the version bump patch
mod6: which patches does it include specifically?
jurov: you don't know which patches your script includes?
mod6: to make it build statically, there is another patch that I still need to submit yet (probably today) and another patch & full source to submit of a modified poratronic build script.
mod6: ah, it was with my script. ok
jurov: so i propose to go on to 0.5.3.2 .. release early, release often
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mod6: so yeah, when we said we were going to release in january; we hadn't hit the 160`001 tx sig verification issue yet and we hadn't considered the last-minute requirement of a static build.
mod6: so what you have is ok, but you're missing the stuff that'll be pushed out before we make a signed tar
mod6: which we're referring to as a "milestone" release
jurov: there will be many more bumps. don't expect any Release to End All Releases in near future
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mod6: which will be: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 (static-makefile) } + modified poratronic build script & release notes.
jurov: better to make more minor releases properly numbered
mod6: we want to ensure that what is "released" actually works, and has been thoroughly tested.
mod6: we do a lot of regression testing :]
jurov: this is same pretense as what phoundation operates "it works we tested it"
jurov: nope. we are at bleeding edge and use at own peril
mod6: heh. ok what i mean is, "it compiles and we got it to fully sync, send/receive, generate..." but yeah, use at your own risk. we want to deliver something that doesn't just blow up -- kinda what ascii was frustrated with yesterday.
jurov: i am just not placing any expectations to any piece of software anymore
☟︎ jurov: but i understand you as management that wants to label the product somehow,
mod6: haha. ok. but i don't see a problem with testing our own thing. even if no one else uses this, i'd like to know if it works or not.
jurov: that actually stregthens the reason for bumping the version numbers often so that we can say X blows up when.., X+1 does not
jurov: so that people won't act surprised that "there was some version published" like you did few minutes ago
mod6: when we release there will be a formal annoucement to the mailing list, signed patches by ben & I, and an included signed tar of the patched source code with release notes.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 13:11:16; jurov: <Pierre_Rochard> ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. << what about paymium?
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jurov: Pierre_Rochard: and you're aware it's ran by davout ?
Pierre_Rochard: jurov: I am, brain had not connected all the way to “I should try it out”
jurov: set the version to 0.5.3.x.dev
jurov: so that no one mistakes that for release
mod6: jurov: so as far as shorter release cycles, i think going forward they will be. the foundation will focus on say, one specific problem and then tackle it, patch it, and then regression test, release.
PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int?
☟︎ mike_c: because int is shorthand for "long int"
mike_c: short int = 16 bits, long int = 32 bits
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jurov: trinque, have you tried drakon editor? i actually use it for business logic
jurov: it isn't faster to create the code, but it makes it sooo easier to find the right place where stuff needs to be fixed
jurov: say, after several months
jurov: the downside is, generated code for complicated diagrams isn't anything you'd want to show to anyone
lobbes: Dr-G: You gotta fix your connection, my man. grep -c 'Dr-G' on my logs for yesterday returns over 100 lines...
thestringpuller: mike_c: lies. all lies. this is only if you use strict typing and you machine is coherent. every machine treats it differently!
thestringpuller: short ints however are always shorter than long ints hence the name
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indiancandy1: any one know anything about internet marketing#
PeterL: I am sure you can search for "search engine optimization", or SEO, and lots of sites will come up who promise to help
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PeterL: asciilifeform: why do you say he did not get the message?
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sjsqd: I'm writing some articles on the bitcoin foundation via Let's Talk Bitcoin
sjsqd: Would anyone be interested in discussing it with me?
sjsqd: I couldn't find much reference to the original foundation in the documentation
sjsqd: but is it correct to title it as the 'pirate' bitcoin foundation?
jurov: sjsqd: the original one is the pirate one
PeterL: this new foundations works on the assumption that the previous one does not exist
nubbins`: sjsqd the only official statements are PGP-signed statements from members of assbot's wot
sjsqd: I have done quite an amount of research on the foundation but never seen this page
nubbins`: if you check the mailing list archives on the .foundation website, there's a bunch of stuff there
sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it?
☟︎ sjsqd: nubbins`: the goal of my articles is to try and ascertain how transparently the foundation currently operates
sjsqd: which I'm not aware anyone else has done so far
sjsqd: its certainly interesting to see two foundations with the same name (:
sjsqd: I will look at the mailing list, if I have further questions is there any email address I could use or is this IRC channel the best method of communication?
nubbins`: think of them as the foundation and the phoundation, with the other guys being the ph
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: That foundation has never really had any transparency. Vessenes birthed it in the shadows and snuck out the same way.
sjsqd: ok great, I will keep a record of this channel in my notes then
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sjsqd: This is the first article I made if anyone is interested
sjsqd: I will probably be publishing a third at some point this week
nubbins`: this foundation is more interested in uh
nubbins`: making the codebase not a steaming pile of shit
PeterL: is gmaxwell associated with the phoundation? I remember him coming by here a few times
nubbins`: instead of campaigning/rallying/whatever
sjsqd: nubbins`:interesting
nubbins`: sjsqd the latest foundation release is 0.5.3.1
sjsqd: nubbins`:given the current state of foundation communications it is actually quite difficult to ascertain exactly what it is tasked with doing
sjsqd: I'm still quite new to bitcoin, is the client that you release an alternative client?
nubbins`: it's the official foundation client :D
jurov: no it's the original client
jurov: it should be stripped to bare minimum first
sjsqd: I guess the term official/alternative isn't the best to use
nubbins`: based on the original 0.5.3 source code, with plain ol' unix patches applied to de-turdify it
sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core?
☟︎ nubbins`: each patch is intended to be small enough that a human can read and understand it
sjsqd: but works with bitcoin just the same as any other client (multibit etc) does?
nubbins`: the goal is to trim the fat from the oldest still-working code base
nubbins`: rather than add more fat to the same, which is how the current "bitcoin core" release came to be
ben_vulpes: a right, asciilifeform excised the dns.
nubbins`: slowly bringing it closer to the ideal of "one program to do one task"
ben_vulpes: the question under consideration is "what precisely does it mean to bitcoinate?"
sjsqd: ok I will save everyone's time and look through the mailing list, I might return with some further questions later on
sjsqd: thanks for your time
ben_vulpes: the goal is to do that and nothing more.
BingoBoingo: <sjsqd> but works with bitcoin just the same as any other client (multibit etc) does? << Very different from multibit. Multibit is based on the Hearn BitcoinJ turd.
jurov: sjsqd, you can peruse the searchable logs here, too
sjsqd: BingoBoingo: I'm not that well acquainted with how the different clients originated or their quality, more just a question of whether it is a bitcoin or an altcoin client; from what I understand it is a bitcoin client
sjsqd: ahh I see the URL for logs in the title
sjsqd: thanks for the pointer
danielpbarron: sjsqd, how many LTBcoin did you get for writing those?
sjsqd: I got about 180k for the first one
sjsqd: clocked in at about 40ish USD
sjsqd: but I am holding the LTBcoin
sjsqd: (I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to disclose that)
sjsqd: not enough to live on
sjsqd: but a good alternative income
sjsqd: you basically earn based upon your proportion of page views
☟︎ sjsqd: its all calculated automatically as far as I'm aware
sjsqd: there is an editor too who makes my posts more readable
sjsqd: she gets a cut before I do
jurov: sjsqd, you know about qntra? it also pays (kinda) contributors
sjsqd: No I hadn't heard of it
sjsqd: Thanks I will check it out
sjsqd: I found out about let's talk bitcoin via the foundation forums (andresen forums if you want to call it that)
danielpbarron: your 180k ltbcoin are worth about 0.02 bitcoin by my estimation
sjsqd: because I made some posts saying the website wasn't adequate in certain terms
danielpbarron: i wrote 2 paragraphs for qntra and its worth like 15 bucks
sjsqd: danielpbarron: I'm not interested in writing for money anyway
sjsqd: according to poloniex 180k is about 0.16
sjsqd: where I live I can't buy bitcoins easily
sjsqd: so its nice to have a little coming in from writing
sjsqd: I used to blog years and years ago
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Anyway the qntra thing can probably also help with some background on differences between the Vessenes' foundation and the (dot)foundation
sjsqd: even with hundreds of thousands of page views I only ever made about 70 USD over 2-3 years
☟︎ sjsqd: BingoBoingo:thanks I'll have a look on there
sjsqd: danielpbarron:I was referring to a different blog
sjsqd: pre-bitcoin days (to some extent)
sjsqd: completely separate platform, just was using it as a point of reference
sjsqd: I might look at writing something for qntra
sjsqd: let's talk bitcoin is interesting because there are quite a few podcasts and such
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PeterL: I would much prefer to read an article than to listen to some guy talking
sjsqd: I don't personally listen to them but there are some interesting topics
sjsqd: I understand the idea of bitcoin universes, I didn't get into it to make a quick buck selling for cash or anything
sjsqd: I read about bitcoin a few years back
sjsqd: downloaded the mining software, my ADD kicked in
sjsqd: and I went and played games
sjsqd: but I've read as much as my mind can understand on it (I'm not a coder though)
sjsqd: and I really like the idea of being able to carry around my money on my phone
sjsqd: or have my passport on my phone
sjsqd: and I live in a city where the government evolves quickly
PeterL: lol, bitcoin is not meant to be on a phone
sjsqd: so the likelihood of bitcoin being adopted widely is high (although it hasn't happened just yet)
sjsqd: PeterL:I use my phone, Windows computer and a VPS or two to store my coins
PeterL: read the logs, then you will understand how bitcoin should (and should not) be used
sjsqd: danielpbarron:in this specific locale the government has to allow it because of terrorism and money laundering etc
sjsqd: but it is also a locale where you could pay for a house in cash and no one would ask any questions
PeterL: do you consider your phone a safe place for your money?
sjsqd: camel to computer in 30 years
sjsqd: PeterL depends, I try to be sensible about what I install
PeterL: phones can get lost or stolen, then what?
sjsqd: I need it for work unfortunately
sjsqd: my phone is encrypted
sjsqd: and cannot be unlocked without pin code
sjsqd: all my wallets are locked and require separate passwords to open
sjsqd: a friend of mine had his phone stolen
PeterL: how long would it take an attacker to brute force your pin?
pete_dushenski: of course, your level of security depends on how much you're trying to secure
sjsqd: PeterL it wouldn't matter because all my wallets are locked, no passwords are stored locally
pete_dushenski: but no one wants to be another '4,500 btc hard drive in the landfill' guy
sjsqd: I'm looking at upgrading to a phone with a fingerprint scanner
sjsqd: or moving to the Mozilla phone or something
PeterL: pete_dushenski: paper backups are a good idea?
mike_c: easy dpb :) everybody starts somewhere.
sjsqd: pete_dushenski:yes for long term usage, no one is going to pull out a fully fledged laptop to pay for their groceries
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PeterL: why do you think you need bitcoin for groceries?
sjsqd: PeterL:I enjoy eating
PeterL: convert btc -> local cash -> food
pete_dushenski: sjsqd: just because you like to eat, doesn't mean you should steal food
sjsqd: asciilifeform:haha yes there are 2-3 of them, no I don't own any gold
sjsqd: pete_dushenski:how is it stealing if the vendor eventually accepts bitcoin?
sjsqd: asciilifeform:no I'm very sceptical of gold for a number of reasons
sjsqd: I personally believe that the entire gold/silver/etc markets are manipulated like crazy
sjsqd: and I've seen firsthand how depending upon culture people will dump their life savings into buying some gold
sjsqd: when they get married or as an investment
sjsqd: and then it sits in a cupboard
pete_dushenski: sjsqd: it's more along the lines of, just because you like to do something, doesn't mean than a particular avenue of approach is appropriate
sjsqd: its inconvenient obviously
sjsqd: asciilifeform:that's why I want to pay with bitcoin or something similar
sjsqd: I only ever pay with cash or my card
sjsqd: and my card has been cloned once, and I've had tons of issues with my bank
sjsqd: I hate operating hours of banks (even though you can access full bank services till like 10PM at nighttime here)
sjsqd: asciilifeform:yes I kind of understand that bitcoin is more of a long term cryptocurrency (my view anyway) than a day-to-day currency for a number of reasons
PeterL: save in btc, spend dollars
sjsqd: PeterL:there is almost nowhere to even spend it here (beyond paying web hosting bills etc) so I am pretty much saving it right now
sjsqd: the local currency here hasn't ever really fluctuated
sjsqd: it is permanently tied to the USD
sjsqd: the same rating for something like 2 decades
PeterL: and you don't see being tied to usd as a problem?
sjsqd: fuel price rarely changes
sjsqd: PeterL:I obviously do, but have little choice in the matter
PeterL: save in bitcoin, then you don't have to be tied to usd
sjsqd: I'm not wealthy (at all) so its more an incapability of keeping more bitcoin at the moment
sjsqd: asciilifeform:I haven't really spent any, only to show friends how it works
sjsqd: On a recent flight I used the plane's WiFi which cost like 1 USD
sjsqd: and managed to teach a friend in pakistan as well as a friend in Dubai how to set up a wallet on their phone
sjsqd: and sent money from 37,000 feet
sjsqd: obviously sent them some dust just to show them how it works
sjsqd: but beyond having to scrape into my savings to pay for a VPS here or there I actually don't have any way to spend it here yet
sjsqd: and I don't carry any worthwhile amount on my phone
danielpbarron: you should better teach them how to run a full node
sjsqd: danielpbarron:that depends on people's technical ability though
danielpbarron: the whole "crypto on your phone" thing is more of a hinderance than a help
sjsqd: danielpbarron:because it doesn't contribute network resources?
danielpbarron: they need to refine technical ability then; don't give them fire without teaching fire safety
lobbes: 'crypto on phone' defeats the purpose of bitcoin
lobbes: which is a secure store of value
lobbes: that only you can access (if you know what you are doing)
sjsqd: danielpbarron:as much as I understand what you're saying its difficult to explain to people the fire safety aspect
sjsqd: Ubuntu is fairly easy
sjsqd: but is a long way from any sort of plug and play operation
sjsqd: unless people understand how to compile software its too difficult
danielpbarron: understanding these things is like understanding how to ride a horse in the 1800s
danielpbarron: if you don't know how, you are practically illiterate
sjsqd: here there are interesting applications of bitcoin besides paying for things with phones
sjsqd: money remittance specifically
sjsqd: 90% of the population are foreign
sjsqd: and send a shit ton of money through methods like western union or their banks
danielpbarron: paying for things with phones is NOT an application of bitcoin!
danielpbarron: you have apple pay and paypal and whatever app of choice for that
sjsqd: do you think there is an altcoin more suited for that?
sjsqd: I would never, ever personally use anything branded by Apple in a million years
sjsqd: I don't care if its a lifeboat on the titanic
sjsqd: danielpbarron:mainly because Adobe won't release their software on Linux just yet
sjsqd: Windows is kind of a necessary evil if you want to play modern video games or use 'creative' software
danielpbarron: you won't use apple to literally save your life but you'll use windows to save your job.. ok..
sjsqd: I do some photography work so using Adobe is pretty much mandated
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sjsqd: Unless you want to deal with the limitations of GIMP
sjsqd: or deal with Apple's Aperture software
sjsqd: I understand open source could probably do a better job
sjsqd: but we haven't quite reached that point yet
sjsqd: having said that, my disdain for Adobe is growing on a daily basis
danielpbarron: that doesn't excuse you using bitcoin on your windows computer
sjsqd: tbh, if I had the choice I'd have a separate computer for linux and a separate computer for windows
sjsqd: I have a laptop and I am moving *towards* that
danielpbarron: and even that is a bit pricy -- i picked one with a fast GPU
sjsqd: but at the moment I have a family member in intensive care unit
sjsqd: and I'm writing articles about the bitcoin foundation
sjsqd: as well as waiting for legalization of my residency status (its been 3 years of not being a resident so far)
sjsqd: so its kinda taken a back seat (:
sjsqd: I will be moving all my financial things onto Ubuntu or something similar fairly soon though
sjsqd: debian is a challenge
sjsqd: I've run a few debian VPS servers before
sjsqd: its all about balancing convenience vs security I suppose
sjsqd: screen. I hate screen.
sjsqd: its great functionally but it confuses the hell out of me
danielpbarron: you do realize debian can have a desktop environment, right?
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: you hate podcasts, but do you like radio at all?
sjsqd: the biggest thing I've noticed about computer security is that its almost impossible to get decent biometric security
sjsqd: danielpbarron:yeah I tried it once on a VPS but it didn't end well
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: curious to the reason you dislike the medium?
jurov: sjsqd: biometric is overrated
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, if there is something worth discussing, just write a blog post
sjsqd: the problem I have with debian is that unless you run some specific version (I usually run the latest version) most of the documentation on the internet is kinda only 75% there
sjsqd: and unless you're familiar with how to compile etc it gets pretty confusing quickly
thestringpuller: jurov: i kno rite. so not only will someone kidnap me, they'll cut off or extract appendages to unlock my stuff...
danielpbarron: talking free-form into a mic is for people not smart enough to write down what they mean in a concise manner
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: ah. but what about say, Gang Busters? Or rehearsed stuff. Orson Welles War of the Worlds broadcast?
danielpbarron: sjsqd, not that i'm recommmending debian, but it uses a package manager that downloads binaries, not source
sjsqd: danielpbarron:to be fair when it comes to interviews I'd rather hear the full conversation rather than what someone else has cut up from the discussion
sjsqd: danielpbarron:yeah apt-get is easy enough to use, but when you need to install a custom altcoin wallet for instance
sjsqd: that is when I get stumped
sjsqd: although I did manage to compile a few wallets on Ubuntu successfully
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sjsqd: danielpbarron:when I get the time I will probably get a harddrive, install a barebones Debian installation on different partitions for each altcoin
sjsqd: so they are completely separete
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, sure I wouldn't mind someone reading something that had already been written down; that's more like an audio book than a podcast
danielpbarron: sjsqd, save yourself the trouble and don't install any altcoins
sjsqd: danielpbarron:then how am I going to walk around with my augmented vision paying for things in 20 years time if bitcoin isn't the ideal cryptocurrency?
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lobbes: sjsqd: what others have said: save in bitcoin, spend in (local currency)
sjsqd: for now that is how I'm operating (especially given no one accepts bitcoin here except like 1 pizza restaurant)
sjsqd: but in the future if I can receive 100% of my pay via cryptocurrency I will
sjsqd: I personally have little interest in cash
sjsqd: on the topic of altcoins
sjsqd: I do see that many of them have ended up as scams and so on
danielpbarron: on the topic of altcoins, they are all scams -- avoid them
sjsqd: but there are a few that have been ok so far
sjsqd: DNOTES is quite interesting
sjsqd: they've put together the first long term savings plan
sjsqd: I have no doubt it is manipulated via bots
sjsqd: but then again, what isn't nowadays?
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sjsqd: Well that is what the limitation (in my eyes) is of most altcoins and bitcoin itself
sjsqd: no communication and no marketing
sjsqd: unless you want to dig through 2000 page threads on bitcointalk
sjsqd: or use reddit 24/7
danielpbarron: forget the forum -- forget reddit; those are distractions
sjsqd: thestringpuller:yes but most people outside of extreme enthusiasts are not going to look through logs
lobbes: forget the forum -- forget reddit; those are distractions << yes
PeterL: focus on the log for this chan, yes, that is how you will learn
thestringpuller: sjsqd: this is akin to someone pretending to be involved in history and but didn't read any history books.
danielpbarron: What did Noah do when nobody else would get on the Ark? He.. GOT ON THE ARK.
sjsqd: except a history book is just a summary of events in most cases
sjsqd: even if its provides sources, its a summary
jurov: sjsqd if someone takes an effort to do a marketing toward you, they're after your money or soul
sjsqd: to find out what is happening with bitcoin or xyz altcoin it isn't important to read through thousands of pages
sjsqd: jurov:wouldn't surprise me
sjsqd: I did save some money a few years back in a bonds thing backed by the government
thestringpuller: sjsqd: you should probably read some huxely with the logs.
sjsqd: a decent whack of money
sjsqd: sat there for an entire year
sjsqd: and I got 50 USD in interest
sjsqd: not worth it at all
sjsqd: all my bank accounts get chewed out the ass with fees and such
PeterL: sjsqd: important stuff shows up on qntra.net if you don't want to wade through the logs
sjsqd: PeterL:yes I will be adding it to my reading list
danielpbarron: i cashed out some bonds that my grandma got me when i was born; did the math and realized it should have been worth many ounces of gold instead of a measly 1k or whatever it matured to
PeterL: that inflation will kill you on long-term investing
danielpbarron: best gift for a baby? golden pacifier or something
sjsqd: I'm not even that familiar with how traditional currency or banking works
PeterL: sjsqd, you should get in the wot too
sjsqd: but in terms of whether I trust a computer or a human more
sjsqd: I trust a computer
sjsqd: every time I have an issue with a bank it requires dealing with 20 humans
sjsqd: and I'm pretty sure their jobs are going to disappear within a few years
sjsqd: If I want to use my debit card from another country here
sjsqd: I had to try 5 different ATM machines the other day
sjsqd: miraculously it works on a different machine though
danielpbarron: think of FIAT like illegal drugs and you'll have an easier time
sjsqd: I'm paying like 20 USD just to withdraw cash
sjsqd: so it *should* work unless the internet is down
sjsqd: I went on a work trip to lebanon once, tried to use my ATM card twice and it lagged out
sjsqd: of course I didn't get any cash
danielpbarron: if you want just a 20-bag, it costs a much higher premium
sjsqd: but the bank took my money anyway (I got it back after filing forms etc)
sjsqd: I do get the hesitation towards altcoins
danielpbarron: you should better keep savings in bitcoin, and find local street dealers to sell you FIAT as needed
sjsqd: but I do think that at least 2-3 of them will shine above the rest
sjsqd: danielpbarron: there are only a few BTC sellers here so its economically unfeasible to use bitcoin like that yet
sjsqd: I should probably note that I only just moved back here anyway
sjsqd: so I'm not 'set up' just yet
sjsqd: that and its a free market
danielpbarron: this ties into the "don't buy groceries with bitcoin" thing
sjsqd: danielpbarron:I wouldn't buy them just yet because cash still works just as well
danielpbarron: buy a months worth of FIAT with bitcoin, and use that to buy groceries
sjsqd: but potentially in 5 years time
sjsqd: if bitcoin or similar is stable enough\
sjsqd: I would use it 100%
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i see what you mean now. re-up on fiat with your bitcoin.
thestringpuller: now is the best time to do it cause there is not a lot of volatility
sjsqd: and I got permanently banned from using paypal for life too
sjsqd: after several thousand USD worth of transactions and 0 complaints
sjsqd: I used one of those bitcoin exchanges recently
sjsqd: and added all my bank accounts (I have 3 in 3 different countries)
sjsqd: and thought "oh wow this is cool I can now manage all my money from one place sort of"
sjsqd: (keep in mind the bank accounts were verified via the usual 0.01 transaction shit)
sjsqd: then I get a message asking for a copy of my ID as well as a video interview
sjsqd: because I tried to buy $50 USD worth of bitcoin
danielpbarron: kinda the point of why bitcoin will eventually win
sjsqd: although windows isn't the absolute best solution for computer security
sjsqd: I run a software firewall, as well as malware bytes, an adblocker that blocks malicious sites
danielpbarron: it's not even a mediocre solution; it's not even a consideration
sjsqd: and keep my system 100% updated at all times
sjsqd: and I also barely own any cryptocurrency
sjsqd: so at this point in time
sjsqd: running linux exclusively to keep my internet money safe is too inconvenient to be worth it (although I will be moving to a better system very soon)
danielpbarron: a lot of these things were discussed in here recently; you should definitely get to reading the logs
sjsqd: I would actually prefer running some form of cloud OS (provided it was encrypted) for a portion of my holdings
sjsqd: I like the idea of my phone being shot at by terrorists
sjsqd: and just kinda shrugging
sjsqd: and walking into a phone store and purchasing a new phone
sjsqd: logging in and getting access back in 3-5 minutes
danielpbarron: the only redeeming quality about you is that you ended up here somehow
sjsqd: danielpbarron:that would be for day to day usage
sjsqd: danielpbarron: haha, its actually been very many years since I spammed an IRC channel
danielpbarron: that is a luxury afforded to you because you are new
jurov: sjsqd you will never be safe if you treat technology as magic
danielpbarron: now your task is to read the log for at least 6 months
jurov: "just throw this spell to it"
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> but is it correct to title it as the 'pirate' bitcoin foundation? << no.
sjsqd: ben_vulpes:noted. I had taken that title from what appears to be an unrelated bitcointalk thread.
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> nubbins`: the goal of my articles is to try and ascertain how transparently the foundation currently operates << the goal of your articles is to apparently rack up pageviews.
ben_vulpes: you yourself may ascertain whatever you may ascertain.
sjsqd: I will definitely write about this bitcoin foundation in my articles at some point
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ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> think of them as the foundation and the phoundation, with the other guys being the ph << no, we're the fundation!
sjsqd: ben_vulpes:I'm not motivated by money, it is just nice to be able to write something and get at least a little appreciation for it
sjsqd: all I do is tweet the link to the article
sjsqd: and post it onto /bitcoin/ subreddit
jurov: sjsqd it depends whose appreciation you want
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> its all calculated automatically as far as I'm aware << so how would you know if things are working as expected?
jurov: those stupider than you or those more intellinget than you?
sjsqd: I don't spam my article URLs or anything like that (I provided it here because it was relevant to show what I was writing)
sjsqd: I don't think anyone has to read my articles or consider my viewpoint, its just my way of writing about the foundation
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> I understand the idea of bitcoin universes << what you don't seem to understand is that there are separate WoTs in action.
sjsqd: as there are many issues with the foundation (andresen edition) I was invited to post on the let's talk bitcoin website
sjsqd: so that is purely the reason I ended up writing
lobbes: <sjsqd> I would actually prefer running some form of cloud OS (provided it was encrypted) for a portion of my holdings << Oh god no
sjsqd: for this series of articles I will probably keep them on let's talk bitcoin, but for future articles or if I come up with anything else to write at the same time I might consider qntra.net
sjsqd: danielpbarron:then I would do my best to be considered.
sjsqd: Please understand that I've spent many years of my life writing about issues such as internet censorship and the like
sjsqd: so when a platform exists that can at least reward you a little
sjsqd: you may not be that cynical
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PeterL: mats: kill yourself << a bit harsh?
assbot: Kerckhoffs’ history and principles of military cryptography, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/17RoW4G )
pete_dushenski: i hadn't quite appreciated the size of the undertaking when i started
PeterL: pete_dushenski: good practise in any event << darn canadian spelling looks odd
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Read the logs a while and come back later
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Try to understand why the second (dot)foundation was discovered necessary
sjsqd: Yes I will. I can already see part of the reasoning when it comes to transparency.
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Just don't burn too much time on conversation here before you get to understanding a large part of the *why* the (dot)foundation does things as peculiarly as they do. A good amount of history there.
ben_vulpes: sjsqd: also, don't poison the well against yourself.
assbot: I just realized /hashtag/golang?src=hash's "go get" falls back to HTTP when HTTPS fails ☹ /hashtag/RussianRouletteSoftwareDistribution?src=hash /hashtag/CurlPipeSudoBash?src=hash /hashtag/yolo?src=hash /E_I_T
☟︎ PeterL: other people realizing the dangers of dependencies?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well what follows is "#PSA: using @golang's "go get" on conference wifi is equivalent to running a passwordless telnet server on your laptop. srs shame on go devs"
PeterL: does Eulora have an official website?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Kid's just been hit with the discovery he's got a year of learning and unlearning to get to zero. Just maybe this one gets there.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kid's not hopeless though. He was luck enough to make it in the place where he could ask questions and people were polite enough to point him where to start the reading. Rest is on him.
PeterL: asciilifeform: you don't like golang?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 23:44:58; *: asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so brought up ADA at work, and coworker started having Vietnam-esque flashbacks from school. Is this normal behavior?
PeterL: and this is what you want people to use?
PeterL: could we make a prettier version?
PeterL: ok, I'll get right on that
PeterL: what part do you find ugly?
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PeterL: in my initial introduction to ada, it seems verbose, with extra words hanging around where a symbol could work just fine
PeterL: well, it has the same named closing tags like you complain about in html (begin thing ... end thing)
PeterL: programs should be boringly obvious what they are doing?
pete_dushenski: spocking "may interfere with the security features and reduces its lifespan."
pete_dushenski: not that they wear out, of course, but they snap like a twig in the cold
jurov: bundle ready for tickets
PeterL: pete_dushenski: not that they wear out, of course, but they snap like a twig in the cold << the dangers of living in a frozen wasteland
lobbes: So one defines their own data types in ADA? I'm not sure why I find that interesting
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mats: dow down 100 points huhu
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mircea_popescu: dude, the fucking notion that this shit sounds credible.
mircea_popescu: Theodore Sturgeon, respected creative and prolific science fiction author, shed the following offhand remark which instantly codified as Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is shit." One might visit a university library and walk through Women's Studies or hyphenated-American literature areas and wonder where Sturgeon's 10% is cloistered. Why pay parking fees? The 90% will come knocking at your door, then break it down d
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's all the same. but the point being... this works ?
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't have credit cards, as i don't subscribe to open liability deals. but i wonder what the original texts say
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i don't have credit cards << do you deal with credit at all (i.e. loc)?
thestringpuller: random point: do you think bitcoin will ever be ready for credit?
thestringpuller: ah I guess the liquidity loan from F.MPIF -> S.WOL is similar
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: repay with your life? (not in sense of deadmen don't pay, but contractual servitude)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: then in that case entire meatspace family is in servitude? wasn't this a thing in history? Can't repay debt so X generation of people are slaves?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller these things aren't related. bitcoin has been fine for credit for years. idiots aren't or ever will be ready for life.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> but that was interest free loan no? << no.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but what if your revenue stream is no longer a stream but a trickle like man with swollen protrate trying to pee?
mircea_popescu: imaginary sources of bitcoin, pretend "bitcoin businesses" like coinbase or w/e suffer from the problem ytou describe
mircea_popescu: actual bitcoin companies, such as for instance listed on mpex, generally don't have the problem.
mircea_popescu: this widely consensusified notion has no met any sort of practical validation so far.
mircea_popescu: bitbet largest revenue to date is not when btc was 3 bux
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i would say this is true for the zero asset corporations. the non-zero asset corporations seem to be holdling their own, but too early to tell.
mircea_popescu: anywya, it was a point long discussed (among the financial minds) that the nature of btc makes distinction of loans and equity difficult. this was principally centered around the mpoe bonds back when those ran.
mircea_popescu: buncha threads from 2011/2012 prolly very informative for this topic
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the explanation is that "exchange value of btc" is a broadly meaningless notion, and only vaguely useful as a temporary crutch.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as the "exchange value of money". money is the one thing without an exchange value, being the exchange value of all things.
mircea_popescu: consider the bank loans you money for a mortgage, and tomorrow houses go for 2 dollars each.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : the terms of the loan specify the recourse, and that's that.
mircea_popescu: (which is why i won't take a mortgage deal that has recourse past the item bought, nor would any sane businessman. yet usian idiot consumers regularly do, because hey. they've come to expectorate.)
mircea_popescu: the trick is to not write that many donations while alive
mircea_popescu: the former are mortgages proper (if the payer goes bust you get the item and that is all) , the latter are commercial paper (if the payer goes bust you suck it).
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mircea_popescu: no recourse real estate deals are in the vast majority of the time attempts by some crown or other to hike the land values.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you've said GNAT is bad, you would not have it with a GNU or in a zoo?
mircea_popescu: like, give a million no recourse loan to the nude girlies show to produce itself on your new fairgrounds
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thestringpuller imagines asciilifeform reading graphs as their tabular representation and constructing image in mind
thestringpuller: what was that thing you showed us a while back...ratpoison? Some OS
hanbot: hey asciilifeform! i'm putting a gentoo box together for playing eulora, i want it nice and secure, have zilcho gentoo experience. how wouldja advise me?
hanbot: asciilifeform thanks, will dig in.
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gabriel_laddel: (that can be found in the first 10 pages of google results)
gabriel_laddel: (that are not preliminary drafts of PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY)
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