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BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: The NFL is way too political
mircea_popescu: dude srsly.
BingoBoingo: The College game I don't mind
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/PnduKcd
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
thestringpuller: some lemmings shit right there
BingoBoingo: !up Jason
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00076641 = 12.2626 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Hello Jason
Jason: hiya
Jason: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'Jason', with hostmask 'Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker', is identified as user 'jason', with GPG key id F86976B2BEBA2905, key fingerprint 892C1B5E9A0DEECD762799D8F86976B2BEBA2905, and bitcoin address 1FDViwA9rddFAh7tqGjhbjYbuePmztJyUW
mircea_popescu: naked wanker, srsly ?
Jason: mircea_popescu: hehe. assbot?
mircea_popescu: it's short for assboot
Jason: i don't see the difference hehe
nubbins`: one's german
nubbins`: it means "assboat"
BingoBoingo: Ass in a boat load of ass
Jason: i don't see how that's any worse than naked wanker
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1KFS4DS.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 9
mircea_popescu: there wasn't a value judgement in there dood.
mircea_popescu: oh, RagnarDanneskjol got you here ?
mircea_popescu: !up RagnarDanneskjol
RagnarDanneskjol: Jason will be messaging you momentarily
BingoBoingo: !up SmallBitz
mircea_popescu: there's really no need or utility for private messaging here.
RagnarDanneskjol: well, old habits die hard
mircea_popescu: Jason the idea is to expand current bitcoin-assets functionality with a register of deeds.
Jason: mircea_popescu: if you'd like to discuss in-chan, that's fine by me
mircea_popescu: this isn't exactly a supybot module, but more like a long term sort of project, which will both require maintenance and afford the maintainer a position in teh bitcoin hierarchy.
Jason nods
mircea_popescu: didja get to read the spec ?
RagnarDanneskjol: yes he did
Jason: mircea_popescu: i did, but now we're separating bitcoind from the bot
mircea_popescu: i doubt you need to run a bitcoind. all you need really is to generate a tx and include it. various services allow this, say blockchain.info
Jason nods
RagnarDanneskjol: FYI - I contacted everyone on git who has done anything with teh bots - most of the names led me back here, nanatube, etal. One amusing response you might appreciate:
mircea_popescu: maybe it's cheaper/easier to just do bitcoind i guess, depends
RagnarDanneskjol: Hi,
RagnarDanneskjol: I would have been available, but I am not willing to work for an
RagnarDanneskjol: organization who objectifizes people, and is deliberately
RagnarDanneskjol: male/heterocentric, as shown here:
RagnarDanneskjol: http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RagnarDanneskjol: Not to mention this: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: Search the #bitcoin-assets log
RagnarDanneskjol: /?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue
Jason: mircea_popescu: you're fine if i post my understanding of what the project involves, yes?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol yes, most people study joomla, which will never pay their bills. few people even know how much more important techs a la supybot are for the future of it.
mircea_popescu: Jason go ahead
RagnarDanneskjol: mhmmm
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's okay, "an organisation who" doesn't want to work with people what such a poor mastery of grammers.
Jason: mircea_popescu: so essentially collect < 16 kb of data from a POST, record it, and have an event every 512 seconds to verify clearsigned signatures and append it to a string which will then be hashed?
mircea_popescu: in other objectifying women news, i just poured down the drain a whole bottle of mumm because i got fucking scammed. here i am, naively buying stuff from major colonials store, only to discover i am being sold local knockoffs. shit was flat and tasted like llama piss to boot!
RagnarDanneskjol: HAHAH
nubbins`: how does llama piss taste, anyway?
mircea_popescu: like argentinian faux mumm.
nubbins`: lel.
mircea_popescu: Jason well, and pipe that to a website, say records.bitcoin-assets.com
BigBitz: dafuq is mumm?
mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ?
BigBitz: dafuq is mumm?
Jason: mircea_popescu: ok -- and that's it?
mircea_popescu: Jason no, but that's it for now :)
Jason: where does an IRC bot come in?
Jason: or does it?
nubbins`: BigBitz: once more, louder please
nubbins`: third time's a charm
BigBitz: dafuq is mumm?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00076519 = 10.4448 BTC [-]
nubbins`: some drink that tastes like llama piss
BigBitz: You describe it so well.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz nubbins` it's this french champagne made by a bunch of german people.
nubbins`: hey, i'm a wordsmith
BigBitz: Ohhh. Llama Piss is sound.
mircea_popescu: i think the most sold or something. it's basically the honda of bubbly. cheap and reliable.
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: gets you from point a to point b
mircea_popescu: Jason do you know how the mpex bots work ? or assbot's quotes ?
Jason: mircea_popescu: unsure about mpex bots. assbot's quote is probably just a standard supybot module, right?
mircea_popescu: not that standard, afaik.
mircea_popescu: !s 2
assbot: 31662 results for '2' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=2
mircea_popescu: bah
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32JP951.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 2
mircea_popescu: see it took the text and dumped it in a paste.
Jason: so basically it just looks through logs, sends it over to dpaste?
Jason: looks through the last x lines, includes them in a dpaste
RagnarDanneskjol: look here jason: http://bitcoin-assets.com/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
mircea_popescu: right. the mpex bots can also process pastes.
mircea_popescu: which is how this'd work. lemme give you an example.
RagnarDanneskjol: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
Jason: ok
mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/3XT97H3
assbot: dpaste: 3XT97H3
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/29NTGJ6.txt
mircea_popescu: derpitude.
Jason: mircea_popescu: unauthorized sig?
mircea_popescu: well it's not supposed to say that, i musta fucked something up.
Jason: oh
Jason: what should have happened?
mircea_popescu: given me back a pgp message.
RagnarDanneskjol: ;; gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user RagnarDanneskjol to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=RagnarDanneskjol&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the idea being : i sign a document, send it to your bot this way, the bot includes the document if it qualifies in the list of documents.
RagnarDanneskjol: just chekin
Jason: mircea_popescu: how do i determine whether it qualifies?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol turns out i used a cached command with the old signature.
Jason: whether i can verify the signature?
mircea_popescu: Jason no, whether the signature is in assbot's l2 wot.
Jason: ok
thestringpuller: that looks like 12 mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: :P
mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/2E5GY49
assbot: dpaste: 2E5GY49
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/253NERG.txt
Jason: still unauth'd
mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.
thestringpuller: !mp
assbot: Paste signcrypted order: http://dpaste.com/
thestringpuller: Ah
thestringpuller: is that to dump mpex orders?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00076795 = 31.7547 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/2E5GY49.txt
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/2HVFGAK.txt
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: needed to send it in raw format i forgot.
Jason: ok
Jason: that worked
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Jason
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Jason: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Jason | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jason | Rated since: Thu Mar 28 21:44:07 2013
mircea_popescu: $post
empyex: mircea_popescu: No pastebin URL found in your message!
mircea_popescu: $post http://dpaste.com/2HVFGAK.txt
empyex: mircea_popescu: No pastebin URL found in your message!
Jason: so i'm still not entirely sure what i just saw happen. you sent it a pgp message, and it responded with a different pgp message.
thestringpuller: pastebin not dpaste :P
mircea_popescu: $post http://pastebin.com/JPPMVNm8
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) hQIMA/tsnDpeq - Pastebin.com
empyex: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/jnGv1suW
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1 hQIMA8bZzs4WuOMuAQ//Ubt51b+eFkRkU - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla assbot should prolly ignore empyex
nubbins`: weird, mpex.ws isn't recognizing my public key
mircea_popescu: Jason it put it into mpex and piped back out whatever mpex responded
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're prolly not using the new key. see faq.
kakobrekla: it will now, ALSO YOU!!1
nubbins`: 02DD2D91? just added it
mircea_popescu: whay me!
mircea_popescu: !up Jason
nubbins`: haven't tried since the downtime
Jason: mircea_popescu: so how is this relevant to what I was going to do? i'd look for those gpg messages, and hash them?
mircea_popescu: Jason let me go into detail here build you a full model so you understand better.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident Jason
gribble: Nick 'Jason', with hostmask 'Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker', is identified as user 'jason', with GPG key id F86976B2BEBA2905, key fingerprint 892C1B5E9A0DEECD762799D8F86976B2BEBA2905, and bitcoin address 1FDViwA9rddFAh7tqGjhbjYbuePmztJyUW
Jason: BingoBoingo: you must just like my cloak
BingoBoingo: ;;rate Jason 1 loan of voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jason has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: so, the idea is to maintain a corpus of documents, much like deed registrars work irl. you register a document, it becomes part of a record others can review. permanently.
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot Jason
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jason: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Jason | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jason | Rated since: Thu Mar 28 21:44:07 2013
mircea_popescu: with me so far ?
Jason: mircea_popescu: so i receive data, and i store it in a database.
mircea_popescu: wouldja not anticipate ? lemme say the story.
BingoBoingo: Jason: Of course you can also PM assbutt nao and voice yourself just send it !up
Jason: BingoBoingo: i already did
Jason: thanks though :-)
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm drunk
mircea_popescu: so now, lettuce continue on teh premise jason is with me so far.
Jason: mircea_popescu: just reiterating it as i understand it. go on!
mircea_popescu: the introduction of new deeds in the system can happen at two points :
mircea_popescu: one of them is an irc bot, active here. someone goes !add pastebin/blabla
mircea_popescu: the other one of them is through a form on a website, at deeds.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: once these are acquired, some processing is done, as follows :
mircea_popescu: 1. each is chcked for valid signatures from people in assbot's l2 wot. if these are absent, the thing is discarded.
Jason: !up RagnarDanneskjol
mircea_popescu: 2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7685 @ 0.0007645 = 5.8752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: once this event happens, the irc bot reports here "5 documents signed, hash included on block #x"
nubbins`: fun
mircea_popescu: all the valid deeds received and so included are also published on said website, ordered by teh blocks.
mircea_popescu: this can just be a long textfile.
mircea_popescu: ~ fin ~
RagnarDanneskjol: in otherwords, the killer app
nubbins`: but this doesn't explain why mpex is still saying to email my public key!
mircea_popescu: well, just another "better governance than irl" thing
[]bot: Bet created: "URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1017/
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because it assumes.
Jason: mircea_popescu: got it. what format can i expect new deeds to be in? pgp clearsigned? pgp encrypted?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu but we all know what happens when we assume D;
BingoBoingo: Prolly both
mircea_popescu: they can not be encrypred, the point is publication. armored clearsigned is fine
Jason: ok, and how do I find the keys for its l2 WOT?
Jason: s/how/where/
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot jason
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jason: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jason | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jason | Rated since: Thu Mar 28 21:44:07 2013
mircea_popescu: assbot's l1 wot is here http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT
assbot: Rating Details for User 'assbot'
mircea_popescu: the l2 is a recursion thereof.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla already has code written to do this however, you can probably just steal that.
Jason: yeah, was just thinking that.
RagnarDanneskjol: related php for bot in my room for refrence - have it in pyth somewhere too: http://pastebin.com/a0mtU346
assbot: TJ clearsign - Pastebin.com
Jason: so i check if they have l2, then i check their gpg fingerprint at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=(nick), verify the signature, and append it to a string which is hashed every 512 seconds.
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
Jason: RagnarDanneskjol: see if you can find me the python. php is not my thing :-)
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what room is that ?
RagnarDanneskjol: i will locate. room #cex-squawk
mircea_popescu: Jason " and append it to a string which is hashed every 512 seconds." << no, old things already included in the block you don't keep around anymore
RagnarDanneskjol: me and my loser friends
mircea_popescu: interesting.
Jason: mircea_popescu: aha. so when i hash it, i also reset the string.
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: bbs.
Jason nods
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla already has code written to do this however, you can probably just steal that. < i guess you mean this part, here you go: if($level1 > 0 || $level2 > 0 )
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: SLOW DOWN
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: deeds registrator << why not this >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.0145 = 0.7975 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI
assbot: Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube
Jason: kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.01442889 = 1.7748 BTC [-] {6}
RagnarDanneskjol: i think Telegraphy gets too complicado with the blockchain parsing bit. this is a much simpler proposition
ascii_at_beach: imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in
RagnarDanneskjol: agreed
nubbins`: jonathan meese
BingoBoingo: Sounds like a problem for... NameCoin!
nubbins`: i saw this guy and his mother walking down the street last week
nubbins`: very surreal
ascii_at_beach: NameCoin << sounds like a problem for the one blockchain that's actually alive...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01402 = 0.8412 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: nmc is alive in a sense that is being [merged] mined
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01402 = 0.9814 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Namecoin has some serious hashpower behind it because of merged mining, and It can tolerate forms of data Bitcoin won't
ascii_at_beach: 'alive' also requires, e.g., that people would notice right away if it began to rot in some way
kakobrekla: by that standard this planed is dead
kakobrekla: planet
kakobrekla: wtf is with the d.
ascii_at_beach: BingoBoingo: It can tolerate forms of data Bitcoin won't << you can stuff arbitrary octets in the blockchain. it will simply cost you.
BingoBoingo: True
ascii_at_beach: as described in my 'telegraphy' piece, or five other ways
kakobrekla: my dead planet concern is being ignored :(
ascii_at_beach: i suggest this as solution to mircea_popescu's specs… because! it is expensive. and not despite of
ascii_at_beach: expensive, for a registry of Important Things™ is: good
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: But rot is a healthy state for Fungi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01374999 = 0.66 BTC [-] {9}
ascii_at_beach: imagine what contracts, laws, would read like if every word cost 10k to record
ascii_at_beach: or see origin of the english word 'laconic'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01372323 = 1.1802 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.0007591 = 54.5793 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: something like text talk?
kakobrekla: lel
ascii_at_beach: more like the language in which orders are issued to submarines, over ultralongwave.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01300002 = 0.65 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: myea
kakobrekla: that would be on btc chain
kakobrekla: text talk on nmc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01485997 = 1.278 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_at_beach: CINCOMPAC FUBAR SNAFU
ascii_at_beach: at any rate, for a registry of Important Things, you want highest cost possible short of making it a null set
ascii_at_beach: or at the very least, hierarchically increasing cost with Importance
ascii_at_beach: so for a contract for purchase of a pig, sha2 hash thereof might be all the telegraphy expenditure it deserves
ascii_at_beach: for a contract selling kingdom - the whole thing
ascii_at_beach: for selling a planet - entire thing, with concordance and footnotes
ascii_at_beach: a 'bitcent' per octet, i dare say, is a perfectly good balance of things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 71 @ 0.01485 = 1.0544 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 75 @ 0.01488996 = 1.1167 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: <ascii_at_beach> mircea_popescu: deeds registrator << why not this >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 << i somehow fail to perceive the benefits.
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_at_beach> imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in << by the same logic, any woman that's worth fucking is worth fisting. what, srsly ?!
dignork: ascii_at_beach: I think it would be a network misuse, writing a law on each banknote sounds interesting though.
ascii_at_beach: benefit is not only that you aren't creating yet another db that can be corrupted or lost, but also specifically the expense
ascii_at_beach: barrier to trivial crud.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> <ascii_at_beach> imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in << by the same logic, any woman that's worth fucking is worth fisting. what, srsly ?! << Y not?
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach i'd rather divorce the barrier to entry from the avenue to power than centralise them
mircea_popescu: let the matters of who can speak and who can act be separated.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?52967-Moses-CINCOMPAC-SWPAC-FUBAR-SNAFU&p=580042&viewfull=1#post580042
assbot: Moses' CINCOMPAC SWPAC FUBAR SNAFU
ascii_at_beach likes the idea of system that can be brought into being simply by passing around an index card with some simple rules, for all time
kakobrekla: lolk
ascii_at_beach: vs. yet another server that can go south - or, to save from this, be mirrored and updated synchronously in some organized way
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach it's more subtle than that : the survival of every document in the set depends on the survival of all the documents in the set.
mircea_popescu: this is a fucking thing that archeologists and historians don't even know they miss it'd be so great if they had.
ascii_at_beach: blockchain by its very definition ?
mircea_popescu: one of those things people don't realise they can even dream of, like getting home to a party of naked disney princesses ready to suvck you off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01488998 = 1.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30693 @ 0.000745 = 22.8663 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: well, yes. the thing about bitcoin is that while it speaks clearly, teh various experts have no idea what it says.
mircea_popescu: gotta put it on display.
mircea_popescu: think how the history of the world would have looked if the arab invaders of alexandria thought "you knw what ? if we burn the libary tha will make the coran unreadable"
ascii_at_beach: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 115 @ 0.0131 = 1.5065 BTC [-]
ascii_at_beach still favours the recipe of 'bitcoind 0.6 + no more than ten lines of perl' for complete scheme
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 195 @ 0.0131923 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
ascii_at_beach does not like the idea of a 'library of alexandria' that has a burnable component
mircea_popescu: you gotta leave some room for humanity on your sheep.
ascii_at_beach: ??
mircea_popescu: the library that can burn and doesn't burn is a better design than the library which can not burn
mircea_popescu: much in the same way cunts are better designs than angels.
BingoBoingo: Libraries must be capable of burning
ascii_at_beach: well it can still burn, if sufficiently apocalyptic war where the blockchain is nuked and 'damnatio memoriae'
BingoBoingo: Or your collection really sucks
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach so then you don't have an argument ?
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: argument is that said destruction is considerably higher bar than an accidental death of a hard disk somewhere
BingoBoingo: <ascii_at_beach> well it can still burn, if sufficiently apocalyptic war where the blockchain is nuked and 'damnatio memoriae' << Who here isn't a big enough "Fallout" fan they don't plan to have a scale valut replica at BTC pricepoint X
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know what happened to valut people in the intro to fallout 2 ya ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach i don't think it's that low tbh.
ascii_at_beach: likewise 'index card plus btcd' is a more compact, and therefore intimately -understandable- system than a software package in the usual sense
ascii_at_beach: it's like rsa. you can communicate it to an educated person in five minutes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, Which is why you don't laze about in the Vault, but become the Van Graffs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a vault is implicit laziness.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Until the Water Chip breaks
BingoBoingo: Or you find yourself in the Brotherhood of steel cult bunker
ascii_at_beach: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/obama-risks-american-lives-to-save.html << mega-lulz
assbot: ClubOrlov: Obama risks American lives to save the devil worshipers
mircea_popescu: http://crookedtimber.org/2014/08/08/reagan-and-the-great-man-in-history/ << check out the comments. buncha libtards harping about how... the us has moved to the right since the 70s.
assbot: Reagan and the Great Man in history — Crooked Timber
mircea_popescu: most fun i've had in weeks.
BingoBoingo: Yezedis are no more devil worshippers than the Haitians. If they worshipped the right devil as I do ISIS wouldn't be such a threat to them.
ascii_at_beach: choice of 'devil is in the details'
BingoBoingo: Evil always finds a way, so one must adopt the most effective evil.
BingoBoingo: Analytic English is such an evil
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
BingoBoingo: Semicolons are an evil tool of that larger evil
BingoBoingo: People who live without a devil http://the-toast.net/2014/01/29/everyone-imposter-syndrome-except/
assbot: Everyone Has Imposter Syndrome But You
BingoBoingo: Also North St Louis County seriously might Go Gaza this week http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/10/michael_brown_unarmed_black_teenager_shot_in_ferguson_a_st_louis_suburb.html
assbot: Michael Brown: Unarmed black teenager shot in Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2681 @ 0.00172001 = 4.6113 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00172 = 1.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 257 @ 0.0148595 = 3.8189 BTC [+] {6}
nubbins`: from ferguson to greece, fuck the police
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 85 @ 0.01489996 = 1.2665 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, that's the problem with usians, that they don't internalize their accomplishments
mircea_popescu: they really ARE ceos and whatnot, all of em.
mircea_popescu: they just don't realise it
mircea_popescu: o.O
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i always thought it was just smart people who suffered from this syndrome
nubbins`: idiots don't think they're frauds
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re the other item : actually disarming the us police may be a good idea.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, I'm thinking the two pieces are connected
BingoBoingo: !up peterl
nubbins`: why does western media keep talking about how hamas "siezed power" or "took over" gaza in 2006?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01490085 = 1.2368 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Because they are afraid to say Obama did they same thing when he won an election too
ascii_at_beach: 'good news' - the u.s. police will be disarmed; 'bad news' - by u.s. brownshirt corps.
BingoBoingo: The problem with Pidgins is when you leave them all you have is nonsense a la US - Levant news
nubbins`: it's a bit saucy to say anyone "siezed control" after being voted into power in an internationally-monitored election
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's an armed insurgency
mircea_popescu: those can never be legitimately anything.
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> it's a bit saucy to say anyone "siezed control" after being voted into power in an internationally-monitored election << Shhh don't let Obama read the lawgs his election wasn't internationally monitored
mircea_popescu: if the ira ever got elected to be kings of ireland, it'd still have been "ira seized power in ireland"
nubbins`: that's redefining the word seized
nubbins`: if i mail you a t-shirt, you haven't seized my clothing
mircea_popescu: no, but if i come with a tank into your house, i seized the wife
BingoBoingo: Still North St Louis county is going to have less shooting deaths this weekend than Chiraq
mircea_popescu: whether she throws herself at me or not.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know i can't see that and not think chirac
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know.
BingoBoingo: !Up ascii_at_beach
nubbins`: jock chirock
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And we come to yet another problem of Pidgins, every word seems to look like people's names
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe it's hw names are made.
nubbins`: suppose two people with tanks show up and 44% of my wife decide to go with you but 41% of my wife decide to go with the other tank, while the remaining 15% goes with various other individuals carrying small arms
nubbins`: didja still seize her?
BingoBoingo: Incel Brazlovik probably lead a pogrom back in the day
nubbins`: analogies: sometimes they don't stretch ;(
BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal
nubbins`: oh and the other tank had kittens or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 295 @ 0.00432507 = 1.2759 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ahahha
mircea_popescu: yes. we all did.
nubbins`: wait, shit, sorry
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> analogies: sometimes they don't stretch ;( << and sometimes, they stretch the wife.
nubbins`: she was in the kitten tank first
nubbins`: then said "hey mp's tank seems ok"
mircea_popescu: totally seized.
nubbins` boggles
mircea_popescu waits for nubbins` seizures.
BingoBoingo pretty sure those boggles were a grand mal
TheNewDeal: reauth me in a sec
nubbins`: ;;google sometimes i don't understand the world i live in or what goes on in it
gribble: Oscar Wilde Quotes (Author of The Picture of Dorian Gray): <https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/3565.Oscar_Wilde>; Why would someone have no friends? : The Friendship Blog: <http://www.thefriendshipblog.com/why-would-someone-have-no-friends/>; Kendrick Lamar - Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/bitch-dont-kill-my-vibe-lyrics-kendrick- (1 more message)
nubbins`: not a bad spread of results
nubbins`: “Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.”
mircea_popescu: albert newton ?
nubbins`: wilde
TheNewDeal: wilde has some of the best quotes
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Wilde was wrong http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/
assbot: The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: To sodomize Wittgenstein If a lion could speak would you understand it, how then could idiots understand each other
nubbins`: lion bares fangs, you know enough to fuck off
nubbins`: this is roughly how idiots communicate, in a rudimentary fashion
nubbins`: no precision or nuance, sure, but what use would the idiot have for such things?
nubbins`: nuance isn't a prerequisite for buying a case of beer
nubbins`: clarity is not required to smoke a cigarette and shout at one's family
kakobrekla: hm, that cold dildo storage guy intents to 'crowdfund' and patent it.
nubbins`: actually, that second link from above is a real drag
nubbins`: http://www.thefriendshipblog.com/why-would-someone-have-no-friends/
assbot: Why would someone have no friends? : The Friendship Blog
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Did dildo guy update recently?
kakobrekla: end of july
BingoBoingo: AH
kyuupichan: Who goes in and out of mining Altcoin causing such difficulty volatility?
mircea_popescu: no idea.
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: People with ASICs too shitty for BTC mining
mircea_popescu: maybe some dood who figures he will thus therefore "destroy it" ?
kyuupichan: Ah, I thought it was someone on here
kakobrekla: chain hopping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01495667 = 1.2863 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 929 @ 0.00180269 = 1.6747 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: markov chain hopping
mircea_popescu: someone needs to explain all this anticolonialist derpage to me sometime.
mircea_popescu: seems that in no historical case has colonisation been a net negaitive for the colonised, starting with caesar's germania
mircea_popescu: seems that in no case has de-colonisation been successful at even matching the colonial performance.
mircea_popescu: what is this bs ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe I'll blog it once I get done with blogging the NFL problem which will tie into it
mircea_popescu: aite
peterl: does US count as de-colonised after independence?
BingoBoingo: At http://trilema.com/2014/come-see-me-clutching-at-straws/ there were Ideas I'd held and not fleshed out in writing which need elaboration so you can gut me with you talons in intellectual discourse and order can be restored
assbot: Come see me clutching at straws pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: peterl the south was definitely colonised in the mid 1800s
nubbins`: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-28701619
assbot: BBC News - Chatroom rape fantasies woman jailed for six years
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no, i wouldn't say the defeat of the british was any sort of decolonisation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 697 @ 0.00185485 = 1.2928 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: by the very definition that is a metropolis-led process.
nubbins`: how about iraq? XD
kyuupichan: Someone's added a boatload of btc hash power in the last week it seems
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, "with the nonsensical approach that all people are equal we're discovering that the expense of maintaining a colonial empire exceeds the benefits and so we will pretend that we're leaving out of respect for the locals"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the locals collapse back to their pre-civilisation bullshit, with more or less pronounced cargo cults.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_at_beach
BingoBoingo: peterl> does US count as de-colonised after independence? << British recolonized the US in 1941 and every James bond film release
BingoBoingo: <kyuupichan> Someone's added a boatload of btc hash power in the last week it seems We better get some long blocks
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 314995 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1516 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23632286082.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.78059
BingoBoingo: Fuckers
kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KGKBRA.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
BingoBoingo: Anyone who missed the gmaxwell drama yesterday:
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning.
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> I'd rather not
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> I will be forced to negative rate you just to note that fact if you do not.
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Updated
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Thanks.
BingoBoingo: ;;rated gmaxwell
gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Sat Aug 9 17:15:40 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety.
TheNewDeal: I'm pissed at the hash increase as well bb
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm mostly pissed it cam right after the last diff change
BingoBoingo: Like Imms find Bitfury and give them a Buttfury
TheNewDeal: i just bet no on the 21b last change, looks like its not gonna pay out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00179001 = 0.895 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: checked ether, just under 26k
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
ascii_at_beach: i still think ether's a laundry.
ascii_at_beach: either this, or chumps are 'renewable resource' to the extent that we should literally stoke furnaces with them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17264 @ 0.00074729 = 12.9012 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ascii_at_beach: I'm leaning towards getting some large stainless steel pots
mircea_popescu: "sentiment of bitcoiners seems quite negative against ethereum. people fear what they don't understand, I guess. Or maybe it's envy these guys are being swamped with coins. btw: not saying ETH is a good investment, I have strong doubts. Ethereum being successful does not necessaril imply ETH will be valuable.
mircea_popescu: also: I'm not endorsing ethereum, I just think it's highly interesting, mainly from a technical perspective and for the implications it might have (which I can't yet fully imagine). Unsure who's really behind it, either, and what the larger plan is there..."
mircea_popescu: typical forum idiocy, but the guy sprouting it has been "involved" with bitcoin since 2011ish.
thestringpuller: oh shit ascii_at_beach goes on vacations!?!?!?
thestringpuller: good for you
ascii_at_beach: thestringpuller: 2 or 3x a decade...
mircea_popescu: if someone can make sense of that crap or reduce it to some sort of coherent position i'd be more than happy to ehar.
kyuupichan: And we're 1 block shy of half way to the next reward halving....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.015105 = 0.6797 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: that deserves a party or something
thestringpuller: kyuupichan: funny how time flies no?
mircea_popescu: 1250000000 satoshi huh.
kyuupichan: Yeah. We've gained 3.5 months over those 105k blocks. I doubt we'll gain more than 2 weeks over the next 105k.
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: here's one possible reduction, somewhat coloured by my 'vacation reading' pile. in machining, there is some upper bound to idiocy because man comes with a mere ten fingers. here, on the other hand - no limit.
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Write up the BitBet
mircea_popescu: diff can still grow.
kyuupichan: BingoBoingo: Would do, but max bet is 1 yr!
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach keyboard still has a fixed number of keys :D
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Where are the hormone producing components of your genitals, go bold!
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Also what was that bs with confirming with the onename,io bullshit
kyuupichan: Diff will still grow, but it'll reduce too, and the reductions hurt more than the growths help. Once diff stabilizes BTC will actually have a cycle of less than 2 weeks, perhaps 2 weeks and 4/5 hours on average, owing to volatility and convexity working against it.
thestringpuller: that's always been the case sense the first ASICs started coming online
thestringpuller: since*
thestringpuller: WOW
BingoBoingo: <ascii_at_beach> mircea_popescu: here's one possible reduction, somewhat coloured by my 'vacation reading' pile. in machining, there is some upper bound to idiocy because man comes with a mere ten fingers. here, on the other hand - no limit << ascii_at_beach any guesses on how many "complete" fingers grandpa has?
thestringpuller: and I have work tomorrow ~_~
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.01683076 = 0.6564 BTC [+] {9}
kyuupichan: It's out, KnCMiner mined it apparently
BingoBoingo: Seriously what does onename.io work with other tha grossly insufficient entropy wallet
kyuupichan: rushwallet?
BingoBoingo: Yes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 6
kyuupichan: Surprised after the mybitcoin fiasco people are still doing URL wallets
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Debian!!!
kyuupichan: Lots lost their URLs IIRC; bound to continue.
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Glen Gabow Instawallet
kyuupichan: That was it
kyuupichan: Lol wondered where the URO bet went
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan> Surprised after the mybitcoin fiasco people are still doing URL wallets <<< this.
mircea_popescu: "surprised that after the guillotine fiasco, people are still sticking their penis in random bathroom stall holes"
BingoBoingo: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
nubbins`: okay, so a cop car has been parked next door with the engine idling for TWENTY HOURS now
nubbins`: no joke
kyuupichan: WTF happened to the URO coin bet?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: MI6 is going to do you like moiety!!!
nubbins`: i asked the cop wtf he was doing at the 6-hour mark
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 250 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 100k High: 188 Low: 188 VWAP: 187
BingoBoingo: !s I know you both aren't idiots
assbot: 0 results for 'I know you both aren't idiots' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=I+know+you+both+aren%27t+idiots
BingoBoingo: !s both not idiots
assbot: 1 results for 'both not idiots' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=both+not+idiots
BingoBoingo: !up AndChat|679296 Answer for your ipv6 sins
AndChat|679296: Ha, just lazy
BingoBoingo: K
AndChat|679296: Is my mobile network
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00074729 = 23.3154 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Oh.... :(
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.12, Best ask: 590.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 590.99, 24 hour volume: 3302.33840352, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00074748 = 0.7475 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu I'm going to let the .org/.net domains expire. is it ok if I leave contact information as is?
mircea_popescu: makes no diff to me.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Which domains?
Jason: mircea_popescu: hey hey - going to start looking in to your proj
Jason: mircea_popescu: had a q?: you said a new deed in the system can enter on a form @ deeds.bitcoin-assets.com.
Jason: mircea_popescu: who is going to create the form?
TheNewDeal: bitcoin-financials
RagnarsDog: Anyone
mircea_popescu: Jason you, i imagine.
RagnarsDog: Maybe your mom
TheNewDeal: urmom is how she spells it
mircea_popescu: what's to create tho, it's just three lines of html
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Seems boring
Jason: mircea_popescu: but deeds.bcassets.com already exists. ... ah
Jason: mircea_popescu: yeah, there's no big deal with the form really. just wanted to know if you already had something in place since deeds. existed
mircea_popescu: it does?!
TheNewDeal: hey, bitcoin-financial ended in a bitcoin heist. Who knows what can happen with bitcoin-financials!!
mircea_popescu: no it doesn't.
Jason: mircea_popescu: oh, looks like you just have a catchall
Jason: mircea_popescu: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ goes to @'s blog
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
mircea_popescu: kako maintains that site. but yeah seems a * recvord
Jason: yea
Jason: i totally suck at ui - is a barebones form ok?
TheNewDeal: b-a is famous for barebones
Jason: good to hear
Jason: haha
TheNewDeal: as long as it works flawlessly
Jason: 00:54:22 <+mircea_popescu> all the valid deeds received and so included are also published on said website, ordered by teh blocks.
mircea_popescu: Jason plain is a bitcoin tradition.
Jason: "ordered by the blocks" - in what order? old to newest?
Jason: just trying to make sure i have everything in order
mircea_popescu: newest at top, blogstyle
Jason nod
mircea_popescu: in fact.... it could as well be a wp install
mircea_popescu: seeing how if you do that you get a mysql free into the mix
mircea_popescu: you can just directly dump data there.
BingoBoingo: Jason: Anything more styled than http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ is a failure
assbot: Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo
Jason: mircea_popescu: ugh wp is a pain. i was just going to either use a flatfile db or sqlite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1300 @ 0.0017933 = 2.3313 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: don't mind me, use whatever you like.
Jason: yeah
Jason: it'll work (tm)
mircea_popescu: what approach do you favour here, more like a. writing a supybot module for assbot and ready code to be run on the current server or more like b. running your own server with your own supybot etc ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00176277 = 0.7051 BTC [-] {4}
Jason: i'd obv have my own supybot for testing and development - i see no real reason as to run my own bot in production though
kakobrekla: assbot is not supybot
Jason: oh
Jason: what is it?
kakobrekla: kakosherpnderpnbot
mircea_popescu: o it isn't ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so is it extensible ?
kakobrekla: gribble is supy
mircea_popescu: i just ass-umed you used supy too
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0109BYV.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
kakobrekla: what does the extension have to do
kakobrekla: if its just some http post or smth i can add it
mircea_popescu: take pastebin signed message and derp it around.
RagnarsDog: Is assbot source somewhere he can see it?
kakobrekla: if you drill my skull
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789489 < kakobrekla ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e
kakobrekla: you make the form on the post ill make assbot post to the form
mircea_popescu: ima be stuck here having it all reimplemented ?
Jason: kakobrekla: sure
Jason: kakobrekla: easy enough
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e << What will lampelina allow?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074748 = 5.4566 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.01479022 = 0.5029 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: like she has a say re speedballs.
mircea_popescu: his balls are speedy regardless :D
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHYG64.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3
Jason: mircea_popescu: how can I check if someone's in assbot's l2 wot? it doesn't look like b-otc.com has a method of doing this, and keeping/syncing a local db is silly
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe she finds him in bed with like two goats and a snail gets angry and buries an axe into his skull
mircea_popescu: Jason that's actually a good q. kakobrekla how does assbot do it ?
mircea_popescu: Jason one direct way would be to take the sig in question and check if there's an assbot rating on it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do you know that would trigger jealousy and not arousal?
kakobrekla: i do it by asking gribble
mircea_popescu: how do you ask by gpg key ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
Jason: no
kakobrekla: dunno if you can even
Jason: ;;list gpg
gribble: auth, bcauth, bcregister, bcverify, changeaddress, changekey, eauth, echangekey, eregister, everify, ident, info, register, stats, unauth, and verify
Jason: ;;gpg info EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;info EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
Jason: hm
mircea_popescu: ;;stats
gribble: I have 25 registered users with 34 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
Jason: i don't think you can even do that
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ?
assbot: #bitcoin-otc
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 17 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suppose if worst comes to worst assbot can offer this as a function ? seeing how it already knows anyway ?
mircea_popescu: ;;isl2 EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: "isl2" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: i guess so
Jason: ;;list
gribble: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, (1 more message)
Jason: ;;more
gribble: Utilities, and Web
Jason: ;;list RatingSystem
gribble: deleteuser, getrating, gettrust, rate, rated, and unrate
Jason: no idea
kakobrekla: too bad you cant parse http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com
assbot: Index of /
Jason: yea
Jason: i'm just going to need to use the db
Jason: w/e
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya srsly.
thestringpuller: Is there a raw db for WoT?
mircea_popescu: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/wot.svg << ths is pretty good
assbot: wot
Jason: 04:11:48 <+thestringpuller> Is there a raw db for WoT?
Jason: yes
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yah
Jason: thestringpuller: i'm going to be using the db
Jason: that's how i'm going to do it
thestringpuller: where is the db?
thestringpuller: or access to it
Jason: http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: I'm trying to make a visualizer for the WoT for fun to get my d3 skills better
thestringpuller: Fuck yea
thestringpuller: thanks Jason
Jason: <3
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's a great idea.
Jason: yah
mircea_popescu: !s from:nanotube download
assbot: 0 results for 'from:nanotube download' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Ananotube+download
thestringpuller: I pinged nanotube awhile ago in otc but I guess I should have asked here first for the db
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7079 @ 0.00075038 = 5.3119 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !up RagnarsBitch
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: Jason : http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/ straight from horse's mouth
assbot: Index of /otc
thestringpuller: hmm anyway to import db into postgres?
mircea_popescu: psql databasename < data_base_dump ?
thestringpuller: i thought .db's were in berkeleydb format
thestringpuller: (liket eh blockchain)
thestringpuller: i guess you can open in sqlite and do a sql dump
mircea_popescu: anyway, good wot visualisation tools, especially assbot centric, are a good thing.
thestringpuller: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/13/us/politics/2013-budget-proposal-graphic.html << d3 is pretty cool in what it can do
assbot: Four Ways to Slice Obamas 2013 Budget Proposal - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com
peterl: which is better, DSA or RSA key?
Jason: well
Jason: lol
Jason: peterl: https://superuser.com/questions/13164/what-is-better-for-gpg-keys-rsa-or-dsa
assbot: security - What is better for GPG keys - RSA or DSA? - Super User
Jason: peterl: tl;dr: i'd pick rsa. dsa has some hash weaknesses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00074673 = 5.3152 BTC [-] {2}
peterl: ok, thanks
[]bot: Bet created: "Winklevoss BTC ETF will trade on Nasdaq this year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1018/
TheNewDeal: ok thats kinda misleading
TheNewDeal: an official announcement of launch date will be sufficient for closure
TheNewDeal: that's not really trading
mircea_popescu: thanks for pointing out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00074521 = 36.0682 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: everyone on like eastern time now? Where are the austrailians and azns?
pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/08/10/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself/
assbot: Know The Enemy And Know Yourself | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: because penguirker is asleep at the wheel
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 172116220.504
mircea_popescu: lol why are you in such a hurry. it takes like an hour
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey aren't nonpareils those little candy things on cakes ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's been 6
mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?
pete_dushenski: ever since i moved to the new website, it's been taking fo eva
pete_dushenski: ya, last one was like 12
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/
assbot: Assets Assimilated
mircea_popescu: ya it still sees your old one
mircea_popescu: is your rss borkt ?
pete_dushenski: hm possibly
cazalla: thestringpuller, not sure there are any other aussies besides Vexual and myself
cazalla: !s australian
assbot: 75 results for 'australian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=australian
cazalla: i guess there is Graet as well but he defaults on loans so.
mircea_popescu: he does ?
pete_dushenski: i thought most of the ozzies preyed on coindeskers and redditards
cazalla: according to this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0 he doesn't even bother replying to them these days
assbot: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
mircea_popescu: teh suck
mircea_popescu: ;;rated graet
gribble: You have not yet rated user graet
mircea_popescu: so basically what happened, ukto dragged him into teh swamp or what
thestringpuller: i guess Graet and Ukyo default on loans
thestringpuller: they still in chennel though
thestringpuller: ^- cazalla
fluffypony: in Chanel?
fluffypony: :-P
thestringpuller: chanel no.3 ?
fluffypony: well Graet is around, idle 2 minutes 48 seconds
fluffypony: Ukyo is idle 13 hours 10 minutes
thestringpuller: !search Graet
assbot: 184 results for 'Graet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Graet
pete_dushenski: hey fluffypony !
thestringpuller: !search from:Graet
assbot: 126 results for 'from:Graet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3AGraet
fluffypony: maybe they've reached the IDGAF stage
fluffypony: pete_dushenski:)
cazalla: thestringpuller, bitfunder + price rise fucked him i guess
pete_dushenski: fluffypony still waiting on that latvia post… eh?
thestringpuller: last date in channel is sept 2013
thestringpuller: or last words spoken
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I'm on it
fluffypony: it's my number 4 priority
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: that's not bad ;)
thestringpuller: fluffypony 's #1 priority is being fluffy
fluffypony: exactly, thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: cazalla used to run a decent pool maybe a year or so ago. anything come of that ?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: so since that's never happening, our collective hopes and dreams now dashed, were you still planning to be back in europe in a few weeks?
thestringpuller: i think slush is the only mining pool that is still legit from "back in the day"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i used it for a while until payouts slowed down and then were being claimed as paid out yet were not even unconfirmed
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: my wife's had to go back a few days ago, her grandfather is in hospital and it looks like it's "last legs" stage, so depends on what happens there
thestringpuller: damn fluffypony I'm sorry to hear that :(
mircea_popescu: ;;rate graet -1 old timer and historically reasonable, but there's ~1k in unserviced debts and some nasty allegations re weexchange floating around.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user graet has been recorded.
thestringpuller: always rough man
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust slush
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user slush: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=slush | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=slush | Rated since: Thu Nov 11 10:34:28 2010
fluffypony: yeah it's a tough one, but he is also getting on, so it's time I suppose
thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine with him in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user slush has been recorded.
thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine in his pool in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT, seems legit.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user slush has changed from 1 to 1.
thestringpuller: "it's time" yea. :'(
thestringpuller: always in good spirits mr. fluffypony
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/10/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself/
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;rated slush
gribble: You have not yet rated user slush
fluffypony: I'm just pragmatic :-P
mircea_popescu: no way i haven't ?!
thestringpuller: ;)
mircea_popescu: i rated him back in 2012, when the linode hack made bitcoinica go belly up and he was also affected
mircea_popescu: but he covered out of pocket.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this.
pete_dushenski: thanks penguirker !
pete_dushenski: deleted spaces in functions.php and voila!
pete_dushenski: well fluffypony should you be in the baltic area towards the end of the month, you'll know who to call for lunch :)
fluffypony: !up RagnarDanneskjol
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: deal
RagnarDanneskjol: re: know thy enemy; interesting read here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2456618
assbot: Autonomous Scientifically Controlled Screening Systems for Detecting Information Purposely Concealed by Individuals by Nathan Twyman, Paul Benjamin Lowry, Judee K. Burgoon, Jay F. Nunamaker :: SSRN
pete_dushenski: sounds exactly like asciilifeform's rectothermal analysis
RagnarDanneskjol: oohh whats that
pete_dushenski: or is it rectalthermal?
thestringpuller: how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ?
pete_dushenski: RagnarDanneskjol afaik, an idea wherein the big bad man shakes you down for your private keys no matter where you store them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.000745 = 22.5363 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: awesome
RagnarDanneskjol: hence the rectum
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co?
fluffypony: yep - or the so-called "pipe wrench attack"
fluffypony: where someone beats you with a pipe wrench till you give them your privkeys or password or whatever
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i can't register for van the request is still going but it looks like it's gonna time out...
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: what are you advertising?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00074856 = 4.5288 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/yRqhNt1.jpg
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you'll seen when I start advertising
thestringpuller: see*
thestringpuller: jesus too tired for this
thestringpuller: WHY IS THE REQUEST STILL SPINNING
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: fix this
pete_dushenski: lol
cazalla: pete_dushenski, an INTP eh, i'm an INFP according to that test
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: a feeler eh?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, supposedly but i think it's bullshit
pete_dushenski: "INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated." << lulz
cazalla: that article leads me to believe you have the secret under your pillow btw :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.000745 = 24.3243 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: the rectal probists will never look under mah pillow
pete_dushenski: "INFPs are usually talented writers." << so cazalla, where's your blog?
cazalla: i stopped when the adsense monies ceased to flow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 169 @ 0.02523161 = 4.2641 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.014791 = 2.4997 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: cazalla: then there's never been a better time to get back on the horse
pete_dushenski: van-ads is going to do for blog advertising what that bald dude did for dishsoap
pete_dushenski: or so i've been lead to believe...
cazalla: pete_dushenski, there is nothing i could write that would be of any interest to anyone here and in the past it was about quantity, quality wasn't even a consideration (until google decided it was)
kyuupichan: kakobrekla: Why have 2 new bets gone straight into closed state? Some bitbet code update bug? I assume you're aware....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.000745 = 2.1605 BTC [-]
khersonus: mircea_popescu: indeed, and from what I can tell, you don't self censor all that much. But somehow I don't picture you as selfless.
thestringpuller: +pete_dushenski> ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins << you're a bully
thestringpuller: lol
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
jurov: hi all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.000745 = 23.4675 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hi jurov
mircea_popescu: khersonus selfless ?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan shitty bets, got past mod in training.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ? << from what i've seen 30 seconds
khersonus: khersonus: you mentioned self censorship works towards the interest of the individual. So, lack of self censorship should do the opposite. You don't seem to self censor much, so, you're looking out for the interests of us all?
khersonus: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co? << just being an asshole lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38272 @ 0.00074436 = 28.4881 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: khersonus i said it doesn't.
[]bot: Bet created: "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/
khersonus: "self censorship rarely if always works towards the interest of the individuala" maybe you meant to say "rarely if never"?
khersonus: anyway
mircea_popescu: if ever yeah
mircea_popescu: i guess i got confused.
khersonus: one of the benefits of this +v thing is that we can tell people have been auth'd, right? but you can get +v if someone else !up's you, right?
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9EKv-LM1nI
assbot: Seinfeld: Kramer - Cooking Jewish Delicacies [HQ] - YouTube
khersonus: then it's not clear if you're auth'd or not
mircea_popescu: ;;ident khersonus
gribble: Nick 'khersonus', with hostmask 'khersonus!~kher@ip-69-172-229-134.chunkhost.com', is identified as user 'khersonus', with GPG key id 06A6FE4336524BF8, key fingerprint C467B1F51C3F093E702D69AC06A6FE4336524BF8, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: you can always check with gribble.
khersonus: yes, but you can't if you're looking through the logs
khersonus: but, it's a minor detail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074428 = 14.5507 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: khersonus: there's always http://otcdb.us.to/otc/
assbot: OTC events search
khersonus: what's the reason for mpex.co being down for so long?
khersonus: punkman: oh, cool, didn't know that existed
mircea_popescu: a woman!
khersonus: a woman!? she needs to get on it
punkman: khersonus: it's well handy, http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?*khersonus*
assbot: OTC *khersonus*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00074856 = 3.1252 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: what did she do, use the mop on the servers?
mircea_popescu: no but i mean what a silly question!
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7gghv7r1fA << here. she was TOO TALL
assbot: Tall Goddess Severa comparison - YouTube
punkman: lolshoes
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00074991 = 13.6109 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: osrsly ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,993.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00075013 = 11.696 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_3T-Af57Pg lulzy.
assbot: How does the financial system work - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00075064 = 23.6452 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, those guys have been around for years on au tv, pretty funny
mircea_popescu: yeah i just discovered them
mircea_popescu: but yeah, solid.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.45, Best ask: 587.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 587.45, 24 hour volume: 3329.03181055, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
Vexual: %nethash
Vexual: ;;nethash
gribble: 173550417.936
Vexual: looks like someones buying up surplus nuclear gigawattage
xmj: Vexual: the swiss have perfected this sport.
Vexual: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23704564296.8 based on data since last change | 24244343363.7 based on data for last three days
xmj: buy from france germany and italy when GWh are cheap; pump up water to their reservoirs; sell water-powered "green" energy when the price is high.
Vexual: hows that xmj?
Vexual: ahhh
xmj: nuclear-fueled green energy!
xmj: Vexual: it's a very simple tempospatial arbitrage strategy. <3
Vexual: <3
Vexual: nuclear is pretty fuckin green anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074933 = 8.0178 BTC [-]
pankkake: well, ze germans replaced nuclear by… coal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00074916 = 3.0139 BTC [-]
Vexual: really?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
Vexual: why?
xmj: yes.
mircea_popescu: cause ecologist = libtard = clueless idiot ?
xmj: because Democracy.
Vexual: theres no reason they can't take their shirt off in a nuclear plant
xmj: i've spoken to Christian Lindner, three weeks before Fukushima, in some FDP event in Frankfurt.
xmj: to the question why everone else is building nukes around german boarders and we aren't he (in some convoluted answer) replied that "we couldn't get this through parliament and run through the population."
Vexual: particular about the steam
Vexual: i kinda get it
mircea_popescu: i don't think the steam stuff is even used anymore.
xmj: of course it is, most nukes runs off steam
xmj: sodium powered "fast breeders" are really really rare
Vexual: and if you're pumping seawter anyway, you can pipe some thru a membrane and get freshwater
Vexual: whats a breeder?
xmj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_breeder#Fast_breeder_reactor
assbot: Breeder reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
xmj: As of 2006, all large-scale fast breeder reactor (FBR) power stations have been liquid metal fast breeder reactors (LMFBR) cooled by liquid sodium. These have been of one of two designs:[1]
xmj: ...
Vexual: hmm
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1109 BTC. Current weight: 99,936.
Vexual: it makes different charcoal? and everyone has one?
Vexual: !up praeconium
Vexual: hi praeconium
Vexual: noone ever learned to cut fugu with their mouth closed
cazalla: more fugu!
Vexual: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00074916 = 5.9933 BTC [-]
Vexual: !up praeconium
Vexual: airconditioners stoves and televisions
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VY1XpsuQnI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27176 @ 0.000751 = 20.4092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: wyrdmantis +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Vexual: !up wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: thanks Vexual
Vexual: np
wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how...
Vexual: what do you have o say you odd shaped freak?
nubbins`: same old things
Vexual: not you nubs, you look normal, i was talking to the mantis
nubbins`: o
Vexual: :)
Vexual: hows business?
wyrdmantis: hey sorry :)
wyrdmantis: i'm confused, i've registered my gpg... now?
wyrdmantis: am I already in the WoT?
wyrdmantis: i'm a totally newbie :)
Vexual: what are you trying to do mantis?
wyrdmantis: i'm trying to understand how to get trust
Vexual: what u need trust for?
wyrdmantis: i don't "need"... i'm just trying to understand what all this WoT is about, to get in contact with you "strong" bitcoiners :)
xanthyos: hi
wyrdmantis: what do you do with your trust Vexual?
Vexual: i ear it
Vexual: *fear
Vexual: but bitcoin is a thing, and i might need it
punkman: wyrdmantis: these might help: http://contravex.com/2014/03/27/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/ http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
assbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
wyrdmantis: so... here i could get... a loan in bitcoin for example?
wyrdmantis: yeah i've red contravex
wyrdmantis: ok, maybe i must re-read
wyrdmantis: at least now i'm registered with gribble :D
punkman: ;;gettrust assbot wyrdmantis
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!1fbdc9c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.189.201.195. Trust relationship from user assbot to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: never
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17O3lL1aUrg
Vexual: whats the loan for?
wyrdmantis: yeah, first is to improve my rating, i'm a trader, i've got many loans on btcjam
Vexual: drop a link bitch
Vexual: vut you're talking about corruption
nubbins`: !up wyrdmantis
nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust
wyrdmantis: corruption?
wyrdmantis: nubbins, ok
wyrdmantis: what's a better way?
nubbins`: that's fine in the fiat, aka fake bitcoin ($, €, etc), world
nubbins`: a better way to gain trust is to perform actions that cause others to trust you
nubbins`: this is an impossibly open answer, i know
nubbins`: suppose a stranger approached you on the street and asked for a loan of $20 for one week. you said sure, gave him the $20, a week later he finds you and pays you back.
nubbins`: do you trust this person now?
nubbins`: do you trust them enough to loan them another $20? $100? $1000?
wyrdmantis: yeah, i have your point
Vexual: link your btcjam thing
nubbins`: personally, i don't trust people who take loans at all
nubbins`: others may have different criteria
wyrdmantis: on btcjam it works
Vexual: its a thing
wyrdmantis: ok vexual, wait a moment
punkman: btcjam works for the people building reputation until they can walk out with a bigger loan
Vexual: yeah i wouldn't touch it with dub's dick
wyrdmantis: https://btcjam.com/listings/18263
assbot: Business (Loan listing #18263) - BTCJam
wyrdmantis: i understand punkman, but this don't preclude honest people to do things right
wyrdmantis: I've always repaid loans
Vexual: you mine?
wyrdmantis: not directly
Vexual: pankakke, who said odd shaped freak?
punkman: wyrdmantis: sure, until cryptostocks or havelol blow up
wyrdmantis: but forget btcjam, i'm not here for it, i'm here to learn
Vexual: where are you from?
wyrdmantis: my same fears punkman... that's one the reasons i'm here
wyrdmantis: Italy
punkman: wyrdmantis: do you have some btc reserve for when that happens?
wyrdmantis: of course
wyrdmantis: but now that you tell me that...
Vexual: then give me a fuckin loan
wyrdmantis: i think i'm going to stop and change stategy
punkman: wyrdmantis: that might be prudent
wyrdmantis: how much do you need?
punkman: ;;rate wyrdmantis 1 #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wyrdmantis has been recorded.
punkman: wyrdmantis: you can now /msg assbot !up
wyrdmantis: thanks punkman
wyrdmantis: i feel like a bug over the enciclopedya britannica
punkman: wyrdmantis: here's a havelock hedge btw, http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (35%) on Yes, 14.04 B (65%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 26`406 (100`000 to 1)
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoA3SGPDj1E
wyrdmantis: i have to disconnect now... see you later . Thanks for your patience.
punkman: ;;later tell mike_c https://atc.waroflife.com/ is throwing 500 errors
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: has it got a sexy splash?
Vexual: with go fast s tripes?
Vexual: yo mr hunt, ruby brought you coffee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00074791 = 23.6714 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up putler
punkman: !up Quanttek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00075125 = 32.6043 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: someone is really hitting swurches
Vexual: *switches
cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2d7o96/consider_this_my_official_return_to_the_sub/
assbot: Consider this my official return to the sub :) : dogecoin
cazalla: looks like palmer came back to /r/dogecoin.. to slang that stellar i bet
Vexual: whois palmer?
pankkake: I want to sell my free stellar but most exchanges look annoying
Vexual: yo punkman, you got a mercator projection in ascii?
cazalla: Vexual, the dogecoin creator/marketer
Vexual: how does one obtain stealler?
pankkake: with a facebook account
Vexual: or coins on the real chain at some point in the future?
cazalla: don't have facebook, i was gonna use missus account but figured stellar would post shit all over her wall
Vexual: shall we do an experiemnt pankkake?
Vexual: i think bitcoin 2.0 is better served with bitcoin 1.0
pankkake: it doesn't, I used another account too
pankkake: they use it to avoid farming I guess
pankkake: but you could fool it with fake accounts with fake friends
Vexual: yes, its more an adoption technique than anything
Vexual: altcoin with X is still an altcoin
punkman: ;;google ascii worldmap
gribble: ASCII Art - Maps: <http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/maps/maps.htm>; F-Secure Labs Malware World Map, ASCII Edition - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8_tgR0Nc4>; Asciiworld.com : Maps: <http://www.asciiworld.com/-Maps-.html>
punkman: pankkake: what's the price of stellar on the exchanges?
pankkake: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/stellar/ 0.00000801 BTC
assbot: Stellar (STR) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
Vexual: how much bc for a facebook?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24339 @ 0.00075165 = 18.2944 BTC [+]
pankkake: so this isn't worth it at all
punkman: vexual, facebook account costs about $0.05
Vexual: how much in stardust today?
pankkake: 5000 STR per facebook
Vexual: earnings not cost
punkman: so $24 per facebook
Vexual: fail
Vexual: one can already make a contract wit bitcoin
pankkake: https://xrptalk.org/topic/3638-ripple-stellar-how-did-we-get-here/ this is too funny
assbot: Ripple Stellar how did we get here? - General Discussion - XRPtalk
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1CaN4thI5w
Vexual: asssbot ignores me?
Vexual: !up los_pantalones
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GozE6XEqg
Vexual: nubs
Vexual: !up nubbins`
Vexual: zing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00075168 = 11.2 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: got one for you too
nubbins`: ;;google mommy and me are animals
gribble: Mommy & Me rescue - Shamokin, Pennsylvania - Animal Shelter ...: <https://www.facebook.com/MommyMeRescue>; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: <http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/85327.html>; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: <http://mommyandme.rescueme.org/>
nubbins`: fuck, wait
nubbins`: ;;google jonathan meese mommy and me are animals
gribble: Jonathan Meese & his mother | Louisiana Channel: <http://channel.louisiana.dk/video/jonathan-meese-his-mother-mummi-and-me-are-animals>; Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI>; Jonathan Meese – Bortolami Gallery: <http://www.bortolamigallery.com/artists/jonathan-meese/>
nubbins`: ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32371 @ 0.00074851 = 24.23 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm
nubbins`: imagine
Vexual: thats enough to change currents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074443 = 13.772 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99Ia4PpXIc
wyrdmantis: hi all :)
nubbins`: hola
nubbins`: wow, glad i don't live in ferguson, mo
Vexual: ohai
wyrdmantis: hoy hoy so i have to do the everify thing every time i log in?
Vexual: yahmon
wyrdmantis: i wish i've studied programming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00074394 = 10.1176 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: real life is the best teacher
Vexual: i assumed you were chinese
nubbins`: besides, pgp is useful. you'll be glad you learned
wyrdmantis: can i change pgp key later?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM
chetty: changing pgp keys is messy, make a good one to start with
nubbins`: ^
wyrdmantis: lol no i'm italian... we have been invaded by chinese instead... they're buying and opening shops everywhere
nubbins`: you can, but yeah... what chetty said
Vexual: slovakistan!
nubbins`: opt for maximum strength, save yourself a hassle down the road
nubbins`: wyrdmantis: why don't italians buy the shops?
Vexual: they do, it's only on paper
wyrdmantis: i think chinese don't pay taxes like italians have to do
Vexual: italians pay tax now?
wyrdmantis: aahaha not everyone but the majority yes
chetty: the gov everywhere raising taxes is good, people are using their heads to find alternatives
chetty: and thinking is good for everyone
wyrdmantis: also, almost everyone pays less respect what he should
wyrdmantis: so it's too late? the pgp i've created is fucking short
punkman: wyrdmantis: you mean you have a short password for it?
wyrdmantis: 2048
chetty: you havent registered it yet?
nubbins`: 2048 is the minimum
Vexual: i like people that get different stats than me
wyrdmantis: the passphrase is long
nubbins`: how long is long? :D
nubbins`: mine's in the neighbourhood of 100 characters
wyrdmantis: err 39 chars
nubbins`: better than 8, i guess ;D
wyrdmantis: yeah :) but you think it's enough?
punkman: wyrdmantis: ideally you'd want to make keys on an airgapped machine
Vexual: what do you think?
pankkake: nubbins`: is it buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts ?
nubbins`: a small padlock is enough for my shed; a u-lock is enough for my bike; a deadbold and handle lock is enough for my home; a safety deposit box is enough for my valuables
nubbins`: "enough" depends on how you plan to use a given thing
nubbins`: pankkake: yes but i change the As to 4s and the Es to 3s
wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine?
nubbins`: he means a machine that never has and never will connect to the internet :D
punkman: !s trilema airgap
assbot: 3 results for 'trilema airgap' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trilema+airgap
nubbins`: again, your level of paranoia should be commensurate to your desired level of security
chetty: if its so complicated you wind up cutting corners, its bad
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg
wyrdmantis: they can't stole my btc with my pgp key, so i fell safe for now
wyrdmantis: *feel
fluffypony: well this is fascinating
Vexual: indeed
fluffypony: I just stumbled across an old Satoshi post on Bitcointalk
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2151.msg28228#msg28228
assbot: JSON-RPC method idea: list transactions newer than a given txid
fluffypony: he basically says that you should never rely on the details of a transaction as a developer
fluffypony: as they can change
fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks
fluffypony: "Programmers are naturally inclined to want to use listtransactions like this: feed me the new transactions since I last asked, and I'll keep my own tally or static record of them. This will seem to work in all regular use, but if you use the amounts for anything, it is highly exploitable"
Vexual: the genreal thing is to ask .info
chetty: what you think devs read history? Its right in there with reading the manual
fluffypony: of course, mtgox got hit the other way round, but it's still pretty funny
fluffypony: chetty: yeah, but it just goes to show eh
chetty: present company excpted of course
Vexual: i don't like drunk satoshi
Vexual: repeating transactions ad finitum
Vexual: i guess theres a reason to not have the real client reported
Vexual: satoshi busines
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtUVQei3nX4
Vexual: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23452248634.0 based on data since last change | 24186371906.8 based on data for last three days
Vexual: thats not how you play frogger
chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-10/conditioned-human-nature-within-insane-asylum
chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ‘normal’ we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy?
nubbins`: that's what daniel quinn asked :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 89 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2456 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01482559 = 1.3195 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/1017/uro-coin-to-trade-below-001-btc-dec/ wat?
assbot: BitBet - URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closed 11 hours 19 minutes ago
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1768652.91 in 599 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 276.67
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6681.44 GH/s
pankkake: "String of blocks will reject payments lower than 0.0001 BTC before the end of December 2014" the guy almost had it right, I'm submitting a better bet even though I don't really see the point :p
nubbins`: for the good of the project, that's the point!
pankkake: he made it about devs policy, it should be about policy
nubbins`: bbl, printing
pankkake: +pool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19680 @ 0.00074353 = 14.6327 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.scribd.com/doc/236422042/Timeline-Correlation-Jeremy-Hammond-and-Anarchaos
assbot: Timeline Correlation: Jeremy Hammond and Anarchaos
[]bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 74.33365572 BTC. Current weight: 16,530.
chetty: The more certain I think I am, the higher the likelihood I am wrong for the simple reasons that I am unwilling to consider any other alternative plus I have now embodied my belief so tightly to 'me' that to question what I 'know' is to question the very basis of 'me'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074587 = 19.3926 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.266 = 1.862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00074846 = 10.0997 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 189 Ask: 250 Last Price: 187 24h-Vol: 345k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
mike_c: ;;later tell punkman thanks, fixed. warp speed mining caused an issue.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Oh yeah, WoL hasn't been around long enough to experience the full possible speed of ATC mining
mike_c: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1780729.41 in 557 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.24
thestringpuller: is WoL still using ATC bets too?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.0007432 = 8.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00074251 = 13.8107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.66538592 BTC to 13`068 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 14.30585072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1244 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14271 @ 0.00074229 = 10.5932 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Pumped
BingoBoingo: !up Aholic
Pumped: !up
Pumped: hello
BingoBoingo: Hello
Pumped: whats happening folks?
Aholic: hey
BingoBoingo: Oh, not to much
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.91, Best ask: 587.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 587.96, 24 hour volume: 2619.03081782, 24 hour low: 584.71, 24 hour high: 591.94, 24 hour vwap: 0
BingoBoingo: !t m s.wol
assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25901 shares, 1.26 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.nsa
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007422 / 0.00075233 / 0.0007749 (979066 shares, 736.59 BTC), 7D: 0.0007422 / 0.00085072 / 0.00094217 (5097763 shares, 4,336.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0007422 / 0.00082499 / 0.00094217 (11932071 shares, 9,843.94 BTC)
kakobrekla: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/
assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman
BingoBoingo: lol "As old hardware becomes dated and unprofitable to run, it really piles up. There’s retired old Avalon machines all over the place."
TomServo: I liked: not “socialism-for-banks-but-we’ll-call-it-capitalism-anyways”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.015044 = 1.038 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775259.29 in 526 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.08
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.015044 = 0.6318 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: %ob
atcbot: 722@279 8k@260 17k@250 | 39k@190 22k@189 100k@188
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12533 @ 0.00074486 = 9.3353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35485 @ 0.00074995 = 26.612 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/aug/10/leaning-in-why-women-still-need-feminism?CMP=twt_gu
assbot: 'Instead of leaning in, I leaned out': why women still need feminism | Money | theguardian.com
chetty: We didn’t have the right to credit cards in our own names until 1974
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21602 @ 0.00075137 = 16.2311 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 315101 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1410 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 0 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23741241005.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.33283
chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/08/us-cruciblecapital-charges-idUSKBN0G828Y20140808
assbot: New York brokerage CEO criminally charged with obstructing SEC| Reuters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6140 @ 0.00075169 = 4.6154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00074919 = 10.0766 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.01490027 = 1.639 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "The farm employs three people whose job it is to monitor the machinery and make sure that all the machines are working properly. They work around the clock, in three shifts, and do a walkabout of the floor once per hour to check everything. The guys live here mostly full time, going home for 4 or 5 days once a month. They sleep on the premises."
punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there
punkman: oh and "Despite the massive and powerful air current created by these massive industrial fans, the inside of the mining farm still manages to hold steady at 40° Celsius (105° f) the entire time."
punkman: like actual mining, innit
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71369 @ 0.00074828 = 53.404 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: !search otc db
assbot: 4 results for 'otc db' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=otc+db
thestringpuller: channel is dead today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 540 @ 0.00187069 = 1.0102 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
bats_cd03: o hayy
bats_cd03: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/ether-sale-a-statistical-overview a report from the belly of the chumpatron
assbot: ethereum blog | Ether Sale: A Statistical Overview
BingoBoingo: Nice work digging that up
bats_cd03: 'Thus, the fact that the majority of purchases occurred at the end shows that ether purchasers are generally a rather sophisticated audience – which I suppose you should be if you managed to be convinced to trade your hard-earned BTC for some cryptographic tokens backed by a concept of “generalized consensus computing”.'
bats_cd03: trolling hard
punkman: "As a final set of interesting statistics, we have calculated three Gini indices"
punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop?
kakobrekla: chumpatron needs recharge time for each money bomb
punkman: "The intent is to withdraw 4150 BTC from our exodus address within the next 48 hours."
punkman: " 2650 BTC will be distributed to pay for loans for prior expenses" ' “we” will not be selling any portion of this 2650 BTC on exchanges ourselves, although individuals may choose to independently convert the BTC that they receive into fiat '
punkman: right
punkman: "note that the distribution of the endowment is quasi-public; although names of all individuals are not published (though everyone is free to disclose their own portion voluntarily"
punkman: schrodinger's ledger
mike_c: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 2650
gribble: 1532813
mike_c: some loan.
punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000"
kakobrekla: not as much a loan as a gift
punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards"
punkman: "This transparency is top notch."
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/08/fertilizer-raw-material-made-with-water-air-and-sunlight/
assbot: Water and air are all you need to make one of worlds most important chemicals | Ars Technica
danielpbarron: "..ETH as being the token with the 8th highest total value.." << non-existent token has value?
danielpbarron: kinda like how some mystics sell hope to grieving loved-ones
nubbins`: TRANSPARENT+++++++ Would see through again
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775635.45 in 463 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.16
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out.
ben_vulpes: er, registration
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074371 = 7.5858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074214 = 2.783 BTC [-] {2}
bats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/c2cdjs/steviewonderc2c
assbot: Stevie Wonder - Superstition (C2C Remix) by C2C on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
nubbins`: sold some casascius coins today, supper's on me tonight ;p
bats_cd03: do i have to give it up afterwards
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been having similat troubles retrieving my otp
kakobrekla: btw what happened with the bitcoin posters taht were suppose to be printed?
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
nubbins`: they're in the queue, and are still supposed to be printed :D
bats_cd03: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf most recent zine of PoC || GTFO
kakobrekla: aok
nubbins`: had an epiphany regarding the design a couple hours ago actually
nubbins`: gonna be good
bats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnloiM-0Ns
assbot: Crazy Asian Mother by Erick Liang - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0104667 = 1.0467 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
the20year: and here I was gonna auth with gribble :D
kakobrekla: !down the20year
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JVTR74.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2
kakobrekla: !up the20year
the20year: i actually did it myself this time :D
the20year: all that effort for nothing
kakobrekla: !down the20year
assbot: the20year +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up the20year
the20year: What happened to my wot ratings?
kakobrekla: no clue
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.119.211. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
the20year: pankakke gave me -1? nice
the20year: Great....
BingoBoingo: ;;rate the20year 1 Going long on Ohio is prolly stupid but hasn't run away yet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user the20year has been recorded.
the20year: thx
the20year: I don't know what i did to pankakke to PO him, this FUD thing dropped share prices pretty signfiicantly and added pretty major volatility to the stock
BingoBoingo: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/
assbot: State Passes Law to Legalize Shooting Police | The Free Thought Project
the20year: IL?
the20year: Rather, indiana?
the20year: Yeah, supposedly the state got sued by the FOP and they may strike it down, although the supreme court decision was a re-affirmation of basic self defense laws, and against the police idemnity laws
the20year: It's really a solid explanation of IN self defense laws and prevents immunity of anyone
the20year: Well, doesn't give immunity to any one regardless of position
BingoBoingo: Well when these things get litigated in shows where people stand
the20year: This is all of course from that case of the guy shooting police who were shooting him in the botched drug raid, the guy in the end i think was no-billed
BingoBoingo: Heating up https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/25/
assbot: Game 25 - Death 5611 Life 4389 Year 290 - War of Life
mike_c: get your bets in quick. fricking ATC miners are going nuts.
punkman: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1773215.83 in 449 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 277.64
bats_cd03: i might bring a miner online after diff change...
bats_cd03: %tslb
atcbot: 0 minutes and 56 seconds
mike_c: i'm going to write a blog post on the last BTC game soon. it was interesting to me that more of the free money didn't get picked up, although TheNewDeal did grab some.
kakobrekla: mebbe someone figured one there is mk depth to be exploited
mike_c: hm. again in english?
kakobrekla: bb valuation is at 225 satoshi
kakobrekla: price is 188
mike_c: ah. good point.
kakobrekla: http://atc.blockr.io
kakobrekla: lookin here
bats_cd03: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf%20re:%20composite%20materials%20in%20aircraft%20incidents%20involving%20fire
bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well next month will probably be different
kakobrekla: bb im not implying anything but observing
bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos
BingoBoingo: Yeah, diff drop changed a lot, but... Asks are still up or consumed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14887 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0789 BTC [+]
bats_cd03: %nethash
mike_c: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6941.43 GH/s
the20year: Alot of things can behave like asbestos
the20year: There's absolutely nothing special about asbestos other than the fact that some types atomize very easily
xmj: i don't get it
xmj: people that seem smart and seem to understand a lot
xmj: as soon as you enter into a professional mode with them
xmj: don't understand shit and imply meaning where there isn't any
xmj: Why is that?
mike_c: if by professional you mean they understand business, that does not correlate with intelligence.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.0007404 = 30.0602 BTC [-] {4}
chetty: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/498919059980042240
assbot: http://t.co/zXCkNrMiFV
the20year: There we go...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00073936 = 8.8354 BTC [-]
xmj: mike_c: language
xmj: not enough data to judge anything
mike_c: i have enough for my satisfication. there are lots of smart people that don't know (or care to know) anything about conducting business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.02523161 = 1.3877 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 65 @ 0.01505999 = 0.9789 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: this would include most engineers actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0109591 = 1.0959 BTC [+] {8}
xmj: mike_c: maybe so, and it's not the issue im referring to
xmj: switch positions/contexts and people start sucking at comms.
mike_c: k, guess i'm not following then :) seems if you switch to a context they know little about they might sucking at comms.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 64 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 61 @ 0.01478954 = 0.9022 BTC [-]
chetty: some of it is attention span, lots of people seem to ask about something you answered 3 sentences previous
xmj: oh yes
xmj: even when they have the backlog in front of them, over irc.
xmj: sometimes i think I have ADHD. but compared to all these goldfish-short-term-memory people...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 88 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01475764 = 1.3429 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0147 = 0.735 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7569 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27034801 = 0.5407 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 73 @ 0.02523161 = 1.8419 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01465 = 1.0695 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up shortcat
BingoBoingo: hello shortcat
shortcat: hi
shortcat: just idling
nubbins`: ;;ticker
nubbins`: gribs is zombie
nubbins`: !up mius
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00074114 = 21.6413 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.01, Best ask: 575.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 575.94, 24 hour volume: 5097.20463480, 24 hour low: 574.09, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
nubbins`: !up Sebastan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18513 @ 0.00074183 = 13.7335 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: !up pleego
nubbins`: !up yamaka
mircea_popescu: burberry bag ljtlqpnt@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:36 d.m. "Hurrah, that The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. what I was exploring for, what a stuff! existing here at this website, thanks admin of this website."
mircea_popescu: what a stuff!
mircea_popescu: Nike Free Run 5 gluqnxx@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:51 d.m. "I all the time used to study article The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. in news papers but now as I am a user of internet thus from now I am using net for content, thanks to web."
mircea_popescu: thanks to web!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14991 @ 0.0007468 = 11.1953 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01487501 = 0.7438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10685 @ 0.00074204 = 7.9287 BTC [-]
mod6: email treasures
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.0, Best ask: 574.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 574.12, 24 hour volume: 5758.24513809, 24 hour low: 571.0, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
mircea_popescu: !up alex____2
mircea_popescu: !up OX3_
nubbins`: what a stuff
asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/optalysys-and-optical-computing
assbot: Optalysys and Optical computing | Locklin on science
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/AkeZEWJ
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: mp at the planetarium
asciilifeform: (why? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931 ) ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: shit nubbins`, what a stuff!
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: i've got more of you holding babies and stuff too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10115 @ 0.0007445 = 7.5306 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "While quantum computing appears to be turning into a multi-decade over-hyped boondoggle of a field, there is no reason why optical computers might not become important."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the equivalent of "no offense, but fuck you and that whore of your mother" ?
asciilifeform: nothing so spicy. just the notion that analogue computing could come back (it was a gloriously interesting field back in the day, dust off some books, fun)
asciilifeform: see 2nd link.
asciilifeform: (example of optical 'knapsack packer', posted here some time ago)
asciilifeform: seems like...
asciilifeform: they're selling it.
mircea_popescu: you're just a massive underdog rooter is the thing
asciilifeform: (or at least pretending to sell it)
chetty: what we gonna string core again?
nubbins`: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/08/11/1519201/every-day-is-goof-off-at-work-day-at-the-us-patent-and-trademark-office
assbot: Every Day Is Goof-Off-At-Work Day At the US Patent and Trademark Office - Slashdot
asciilifeform is selective about breed of underdog
nubbins`: wowwwwwww
nubbins`: always suspected, now i know
nubbins`: "Our quality standards are low," one supervisor told the investigators.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument there.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they're given quotas (how many patents judged / month)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you think tsa/nsa/anya is any different ?
asciilifeform knows folks working there
nubbins`: i've seen tsa agents up-close, most of them probably did basic math in high school
nubbins`: balancing checkbooks and shit
asciilifeform: there is no 'quality control' (in the usual sense) at uspto - the expectation is that 'mistakes' will be challenged in court.
chetty: EPA and IRS seem to find stuff to do
mircea_popescu: chetty yes, that's like the swat team. working for the irs is fun, you get to talk to really scared people all the time
nubbins`: a large badge that reads "the man" produces the same effect as a large stick, turns out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like imagining that working in a slaughterhouse is fun
mircea_popescu: it is.
nubbins`: "you get to cum like ten times a shift"
asciilifeform: killing things that can't fight back - where's the fun
asciilifeform: no 'resistance of the medium'
mircea_popescu: plenty of resistence of the medium.
mircea_popescu: this is why you can tell venison from butter.
asciilifeform: venison - resistance. beef - ?
mircea_popescu: paper doesn't exactly fight back in the sense of hitting bad poets over the head, either.
mircea_popescu: it should, but it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: What can it do? Matrix math, basically. Obviously, even thinking about this in the most hand-wavey manner, optical computers should be good at image processing. When you break down what is involved in image processing, matrix math and Fourier transforms come to mind. We know how to do matrix math with optical computers. The limiting aspect is how many elements you can encode and modulate quickly. An optical matrix mu
mircea_popescu: ltiplication doodad will do it in time, up to the limiting size of the matrices that can be encoded in such a machine. This is huge, as most matrix multiplications are for square matrices of size N. There is all manner of work done on improving matrix multiplication and other forms of matrix math via statistical methods (subject of a coming blog post); the problem is very important, as is pretty bad on large proble
mircea_popescu: ms. People who have studied the history of computer science know how important the Fast Fourier Transform was. It reduced the 1-d Fourier transform from operations to , opening up vast new applications to signal processing techniques.
mircea_popescu: ok, i'm sold. he has a solid point there.
asciilifeform: see TWINKLE and TWIRL
asciilifeform: (touched in previous discussion, i think)
mircea_popescu: what sort of insane nut puts o(n^3) as AN IMAGE in the text.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not all browsers support 'mathml'
asciilifeform: so reasonable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6764 @ 0.00074019 = 5.0066 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean it negatively, i meant it admiratively.
asciilifeform: lel
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: lots of wikipedia math articles do that
nubbins`: sucks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the sound of mp actually sending the corp an email to see if they want investment or mebbe even ipo.
asciilifeform: thought it was a bezzlecorp
mircea_popescu: one way to find out.
asciilifeform: i.e. black hole into which investment goes, emerges as burst of gamma rays and gently used cocaine
mircea_popescu: nah, they only got 500k
nubbins`: ugh, i remember eigenvalues and eigenvectors
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how... << generally by doing business with, or perhaps more commonly working for, the people already in the wot.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: "my husband got in the wot and all i got was a lousy box of shirts in which a bunch of spiders have taken up nest"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073993 = 2.2198 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, didja ship the ohio guy those posters ?
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#790614 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: lol i c
nubbins`: :D
mircea_popescu: hadn't gotten that far into the log.
nubbins`: i think you'll like em
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: you didn't put any chained tits on them or anything did you ?
nubbins`: nooooo, imagine moving into a rental & finding such :0
mircea_popescu: srsly.
mircea_popescu: "hello and welcome to DOOM PROPERTIES!"
nubbins`: i was actually printing a run of posters earlier (pix to follow) and stopped mid-poster to scribble down a couple paragraphs of ideas
nubbins`: it got all wrinkly on the vac table ;(
mircea_popescu: you got a vacuum table ?!
nubbins`: natch
nubbins`: not for making clamshells, more like an air hockey table in reverse
nubbins`: only way to print paper :D
mircea_popescu: spaking of which, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me35ez06XL1rhwvbro1_500.jpg
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: terrifying
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/0vlto4s
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
chetty: O speech today https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuyWIk3IIAAmZm1.png
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust << it's not that bad, is it ?
nubbins`: it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: maybe we talk of different things. do you have the "loan me 10 bitcents for trust" things ?
mircea_popescu: chetty i dun get it ?
nubbins`: if i see a ratings page full of "user x repaid his loan in full", not a chance will i go out on a limb for him
mircea_popescu: from users you know or don't know ?
nubbins`: don't know, definitely
nubbins`: know, depends on context
mircea_popescu: well ok. but you know, if the loan is large enough and the people involved known enough, it's just business.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty i dun get it ?// empty suit,empty chair,empty podium
nubbins`: oh, sure, yeah.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone puts much value on the ratings of users they don't know.
mircea_popescu: not anyone very sane, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: if you do that might as well read the forum straight.
mircea_popescu: chetty lol
mircea_popescu: aaaand the ltc is under one bitcent.
mircea_popescu: MORE SILVER!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17521 @ 0.00074019 = 12.9689 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I try to let my feelings about jed, facebook, and maybe, social entitlment get out of the way and see things with logic ripple vs Stellar or both in a basket. I tried to get some of that free STR and me not having a facebook account made that hard to impossible and kinda deactivated my unbias view of the ecosystem."
mircea_popescu: social entitlement ?
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine there ever lived a more easy to hate generation.
nubbins`: hmm
nubbins`: isn't social entitlement just a different way of saying you're cool?
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't take any effort.
nubbins`: i've got lots of social entitlement, i guess
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suspect what he means is that he isn't cool, can't be bothered to even try and doesn't ~FEEL~ this shoulkd make any difference.
nubbins`: i occasionally kick people out of bars for fun
nubbins`: oh yeah, did i tell you guys we won a couple awards in the local arts rag?
mircea_popescu: no ?
mircea_popescu: any of them for lipstick peacock competition ?
nubbins`: close
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/zV3id
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: best book cover, runner-up for best place to get your album art or show posters
mircea_popescu: who got the 1st place ?
nubbins`: http://gigposters.com/designer/57508_Jud_Haynes.html
assbot: GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes
nubbins`: well-deserved
nubbins`: incidentally, we printed the 2nd poster in the 2nd row
nubbins`: the "hey rosetta" one
mircea_popescu: +/u/dogetipbot 5 doge ahahha check that out
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: they're tipping in hairs and nail clippings by now
nubbins`: what's 5 doge, epsilon?
mircea_popescu: ima totally fucking do this, you know, if i'm ever in a place where hte fucking waitress is all doge-fan
mircea_popescu: ima tip her a pubic hair.
mircea_popescu: (worth >10 doge)
nubbins`: "gotta be what, 3 doge?"
nubbins`: oh, you don't trim
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PF2YHD.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
mircea_popescu: dude my pubic hair is really gnarly.
mircea_popescu: you could prolly make baseball bats out of some of these.
nubbins`: ew
nubbins`: dem pores
nubbins`: some parts of my body tend to grow multiple hairs out of the same follicle
nubbins`: it's pretty cool
mircea_popescu: imagine if eyeballs did that.
nubbins`: i try not to imagine my eyeballs too much
nubbins`: else i start thinking about the mites i'm mashing into them whenever i rub
mircea_popescu: all good protein.
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 349k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
nubbins`: tongue won't reach that far up ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm << that's such bs.
nubbins`: but xkcd said ;(
chetty: http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-statement-declarations-irs-officials-irs-missing-emails-case/
assbot: Judicial Watch Statement on Declarations by IRS Officials in the IRS Missing Emails Case | Judicial Watch
mircea_popescu: anyway, you mash them into the eye, the lacrimal glands wash them into the nose drain, from whece they drip straight into your duodenum
nubbins`: ah, that explains the bad taste
mircea_popescu: chetty judge should make an order creating adverse precedent for the irs.
mircea_popescu: "any taxpayer may prevail themselves of equal standards in any proceedings in this circuit".
nubbins`: check it out: http://imgur.com/hpkhU63
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782214.48 in 362 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56
nubbins`: detail: http://imgur.com/vnTK5jC
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: 12x18", yellow and silver on black kraft, edition of 55
mircea_popescu: !up godovo
godovo: danke, but I've got nothing to say
nubbins`: !up ADutchGamer
mircea_popescu: :p
godovo: it is sort of depressing reading the log/blog and understanding how miserable you are
nubbins`: oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today
mircea_popescu: how does that go ?
nubbins`: overall, not a bad start to the week
mircea_popescu: nubbins` global warming affecting coins ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the prices are rising faster than the mean global temperature
mircea_popescu: this is easily explained through this mathematical model.
nubbins`: hey, that's the third line of the "what is bitcoin" posters
nubbins`: i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate
nubbins`: she was thrilled
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: boxed american-style goulash ;D
nubbins`: http://img1.targetimg1.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/13/78/13783548.jpg
mircea_popescu: "our cheesiest flavour" ?!
nubbins`: inorite
nubbins`: in my defense i just made goulash from scratch
mircea_popescu: omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation).
nubbins`: that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder
nubbins`: that's it
mircea_popescu: what sort of burgeois concilliatory anti-pseudo-scientific nonsense is this! out of wikipedia, the red flanel of the regime!
nubbins`: but they accept btc
mircea_popescu: no, they don't.
mircea_popescu: they accept coinbase or w/e it is
nubbins`: oh, lame.
nubbins`: that's not the same thing at fucking all
mircea_popescu: info@optalysys.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<info@optalysys.com>: host mx01.1and1.co.uk [212.227.17.191]: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ?
nubbins`: it's not
nubbins`: it doesn't even come with the meat
nubbins`: it's just noodles and powdered sodium benzoate
nubbins`: for $4
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? << This is what marketing does, convincing people to save time at the store by buying the box and some meat instead off... food
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x trilema credit orders a day by now.
mircea_popescu: almost enough to live off
mircea_popescu: in some parts of the world.
nubbins`: not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00073979 = 41.4652 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: i'm down to like
nubbins` burns a credit to find out
nubbins`: 96!
mircea_popescu: no way ?!
nubbins`: yah, i think i started with over 1k
mircea_popescu: o, ok.
nubbins`: so, thanks for the content, i guess
mircea_popescu: imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles.
mircea_popescu: it's like 100+ books.
nubbins`: hey, we publish books ;D
mircea_popescu: hm. on second thought, i guess most people worth talking to actually read over 100 books.
nubbins`: i read over 100 books by probably the second grade
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: im starting to grok this.
nubbins`: no longer a common thing, this
mircea_popescu: for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day.
BingoBoingo: godovo: http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/
assbot: Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: well, 1 bitcent on trilema is way better value than 10 bux on amzon
nubbins`: oh, that's another thing i noticed about yoorup
nubbins`: people read books on the fuckin metro
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup, whole trainloads.
nubbins`: it's all phones here
nubbins`: people "checking" their facebook
BigBitz: Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan...
BigBitz: mircea_popescu- (~duwnz@cpe-72-191-13-154.satx.res.rr.com) squatting
mircea_popescu: i knew this chick, her thing was, she'd go through the trains at the end collect discarded books
mircea_popescu: put them on sale for ~1 pound each
mircea_popescu: BigBitz lol thanks god for ident.
BigBitz: :)
nubbins`: not a bad way to make money
mircea_popescu: where is this anyway ?
nubbins`: not in a chan afaics
mircea_popescu: nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord
mircea_popescu: BigBitz where is this anyway ?
BigBitz: mircea_popescu Freenode, of course.
BigBitz: message him :)
mircea_popescu: i thought some chan
BigBitz: He'll say either "dumb fuck" or "fucking faggot" or something as witty.
BigBitz: He's not in any chan. He's squatting you and trying to scam OTC folks.
mircea_popescu: o pm thing ?
BigBitz: Yup...
nubbins`: ;;google robin williams death
gribble: Robin Williams dead 2014 : Actor killed by celebrity death hoax ...: <http://en.mediamass.net/people/robin-williams/deathhoax.html>; Robin Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams>; Robin Williams - Actor,Comedian - Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life ...: <http://www.biography.com/people/robin-williams-9532797>
mircea_popescu: BigBitz tell him to start a blog. then link him to https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
mircea_popescu: then do ;;calc 235.16906445 * mtgoxlast
BigBitz: Please don't tell me these are crazy people who pay to read your blog, mircea_popescu? :)
nubbins`: BigBitz, it was like a dollar!
mircea_popescu: no, the crazies dun wanna pay.
BigBitz: damn crazies.
mircea_popescu: they figure they got enough crazy on their own, don't need trilema.
BigBitz: Who owns that address?
nubbins`: BigBitz, mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1VKSYD5
assbot: dpaste: 1VKSYD5
mircea_popescu: it's the trilema credits address.
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's bizarre, why'd he refuse.
BigBitz: LOL
nubbins`: i know, right?
nubbins`: i was ready to send
mircea_popescu: noobs today. can't even scam.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I dug up that clearsign bot module in pyth here http://pastebin.com/5zKpYbdk
assbot: [Python] cex-bot clearsign - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: o hey, danke.
RagnarDanneskjol: mhmm
nubbins`: !up kdomanski
nubbins`: see? i'm un-impostorable
nubbins`-: yeah, you are.
nubbins`: who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a -
nubbins`-: Mr8====D ?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`-: * Mr8====D :Erroneous Nickname
nubbins`-: bs.
Mr8-----D: dicknode only allows slimc0x
Mr8-----D: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mr8-----D', with hostmask 'Mr8-----D!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
Mr8-----D: mmkay.
nubbins`: gtk
godovo: mircea_popescu: y u allow people using tor reading your stuff for free?
mircea_popescu: godovo it only works until they run out of credits on the exit nodes.
nubbins`: who needs tor? use anonymouse
nubbins`: hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine
godovo: mircea_popescu: there are plenty of nodes
nubbins`: this sounds like a job for...
nubbins`: ;;google lagwagon mr coffee
gribble: LAGWAGON - Mr. Coffee - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiH_zqI9cX0>; Mr. Coffee by Lagwagon on Spotify: <http://open.spotify.com/track/1f2YbWb6yvRemratzSFQGm>; Lagwagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagwagon>
godovo: mircea_popescu: why not blacklist them all?
mircea_popescu: godovo define plenty ?
mircea_popescu: why would i blacklist them ? let people have fun.
godovo: >1k?
mircea_popescu: lol so what's > 1k.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23018 @ 0.00073925 = 17.0161 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.
assbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: !up godovo
mircea_popescu: moreover, the idea isn't to make it impossible for people to read for free. the idea is to make it not cost effective.
nubbins`: it takes me several credits worth of time to load trilema through anonymouse
mircea_popescu: that way, the people whoi can afford to pay, and the people who can't aren't hussled. best of both worlds.
nubbins`: oh dammit i forgot about the bread
cazalla: that moment when you realise it cost you more of your time to find proxies to read trilema.com than 0.01
nubbins`: it rose and fell :(
godovo: cazalla: 0.01 is a lot
nubbins`: no it's not
nubbins`: that's a pint of ben & jerry's
godovo: not when you're buying coin with all the cash you have
nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy coins
BingoBoingo: godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months
mircea_popescu: bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today <<
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: selling is the new buying
mircea_popescu: what, nobody bought, you just sold ? what are you, the us fed ?
cazalla: i'd rather suck dicks than sell tbh
mircea_popescu: i'd rather sell people dicks to suck.
godovo: ^
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i still don't know who in the fuck would buy them ;D
nubbins`: i'm surprised every time
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : YOU BOUGHT THEM
nubbins`: tbf i phrased improperly earlier, i meant who in the fuck would buy btc
nubbins`: with "in this day and age!" implied
asciilifeform gets this; can't bring himself to actually -spend- btc on anything.
nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy actual clinky coins? collectors
mircea_popescu: nubbins` everyone who wants to remain relevant going forward.
nubbins`: all those people should already have btc ;(
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'being relevant going forward' needs metal coins ?
nubbins`: it's 2014!
mircea_popescu: because nobody was too fucking smart to ditch something awful and suck our cock instead. like, ever.
kakobrekla: !up mjr_
mircea_popescu: like, when sec got told what to do, it just... did it, none of that "we're too good to do what our betters tell us to do"
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think this is one of those parallel discussions
mircea_popescu: !up LitecoinSchadenf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he clarified he meant btc
mjr_: hi all
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: hey mjr_
mjr_: whats new?
LitecoinSchadenf: LTC/Doge in the tank - so happy
mjr_: was having trouble getting to mpex.co
mircea_popescu: under a bitcent huh.
nubbins`: mjr_ mpex.ws
mircea_popescu: mjr_ when did you last try ?
mjr_: i'm out of the loop as usual, so figured i would check here
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown mpex.co
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: mpex.co hasn't worked for me in ages
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown mpex.co
gribble: mpex.co is down
mircea_popescu: o no fucking way
mjr_: You don't have permission to access / on this server.
mjr_: Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
nubbins`: at least a few days
cazalla: LitecoinSchadenf, it's just the start too :P
LitecoinSchadenf: yup! :)
mjr_: ah ok, thanks guys
nubbins`: maybe that's why it couldn't find my public key ;D
godovo: will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value
mircea_popescu: well it was working for a while, actually.
mircea_popescu: but seems some proxies died a thousand deaths.
mjr_: ooh, i seem to have missed a lot
LitecoinSchadenf: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/
assbot: The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)
xmj: take mises with a large tablespoon of salt please
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
mjr_: LitecoinSchadenf: I can only hope...
nubbins`: so after ~40 hours the cop guard outside next door moved along
mjr_: i LOL'd so hard at Stellar...
nubbins`: guess that means the death wasn't a homicide
The20YearIRCloud: When I grow up ill vnc to my office and up myself
mjr_: not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it
mjr_: the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's...
mjr_: almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I believe The20YearIRCloud called you old
LitecoinSchadenf: what's your issue with the MIses Circle/Nakamoto Institute?
The20YearIRCloud: I did?
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 342k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1783050.20 in 336 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.74
mjr_: ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP)
asciilifeform still waiting for an alt that isn't an obvious premine scam
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 177066673.252
mjr_: asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vnc << lol
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there was that one that tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined.
pete_dushenski: can't remember the name now
nubbins`: ;;google derps site:Trilema.com
gribble: Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/>; Further derps - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/further-derps-dbstp-dcbse-dcifi-dokco-dxapo/>; F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/fderp/>
mjr_: personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...
mircea_popescu: mjr_ nah that's not it at all. it's much more like the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading.
godovo: pete_dushenski: how did it end?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about Altcoin?
mircea_popescu: point in case, the eth launch
asciilifeform loves the presumed-winblows that always pops up in random n0obs' comments
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there's a point
mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so
mircea_popescu: no you can't. im talking of the hyip crap. where do you think all these forum-ceos are coming from ?
pete_dushenski: godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins
mjr_: mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble.
mjr_: You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams...
The20YearIRCloud: Just about
mjr_: if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin
nubbins`: mjr_, try using bitbet :D
mircea_popescu: you can' tshort them because there is nobody buying them lol/
mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute
mircea_popescu: otherwise one could short them either as futures (like i am trying to shoirt eth/doge)
mjr_: nubbins`: thanks for the tip
mircea_popescu: or yeah, on bitbet.
mjr_: that is what i meant
godovo: mircea_popescu: btw, any takers on the eth "deal"?
mircea_popescu: but inasmuch as the market for them is exactly 0... there's no way to short. nor do they have any \value
asciilifeform: mjr_: '... your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin' << there is a set of ideas that are only 'good', from the point of view of their proponents, if other people are (made to) use them.
mjr_: i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell
mircea_popescu: godovo buncha people want to talk about it.
xmj: too bad bitcoin-derivates don't do naked shorts.
asciilifeform: see 'demurrage' and the like
mjr_: that is not a good idea
mjr_: but i get your point
asciilifeform: good for the scammer.
godovo: mircea_popescu: I bet they want "guarantees" or escrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it.
mircea_popescu: godovo nope.
mjr_: what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea
mjr_: it would make it into bitcoin
godovo: mircea_popescu: what's there to talk about then?
mjr_: but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you
mircea_popescu: godovo beats me. look through the logs, it's all there.
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: you know what i really find funny about Misesians?
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: they'll predictably bash ANY non-gold{,silver} currency.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ there's very little ideas to be had and very many people who like to tell themselves htey have ideas.
mjr_: so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: I've seen it Time and Time again.
mjr_: that is my point mircea_popescu
xmj: Misesians don't understand Human Action
godovo: will do
xmj chuckles
mjr_: IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mjr_: if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mircea_popescu: somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans, the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably tied to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc.
xmj: mjr_: that assumes things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.
mjr_: hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens
xmj: welcome to #reality, this is not how committees work.
mjr_: there are more than 1 implementation
kakobrekla: now xapo is sending out spam. lol.
mjr_: if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it
mjr_: bitcoind has to follow
xmj: mircea_popescu: "good old productive labor" do you mean dirty menial work?
mjr_: so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate
pete_dushenski: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15479/jerry-bear-using-bitcoin-help-children-type-1-diabetes/
assbot: Jerry the Bear Using Bitcoin to Help Children With Type 1 Diabetes Bitcoin Magazine
xmj: mjr_: not really
xmj: demons isn't where it's at; mining pools.
mjr_: demons?
nubbins`: using bitcoin to help children with type 1 diabetes
mjr_: don't want to get into religion
mjr_: ;)
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: isn't it all for the children?
asciilifeform: IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea it would make it into bitcoin << increasingly less likely with every idiot-alt.
nubbins`: it's all for the prescient
asciilifeform: paging herr naggum!
asciilifeform: '...people who hate parts of the language, some of the people who created it, or some of the process that created it, who hold personal grudges they cannot let go of, or who think the best way to "improve" the language is to stay in the community and spread negativity and tear down everybody else's enthusiasm, do just that. No improvement at all will take place when such negativity rules because everybody is af
asciilifeform: raid that if they open up for any change at all, the destructive forces will win and the language they love will be destroyed by the hatemongers and destroyers who seek only their own personal revenge over feature wars lost. And that is precisely the case with Common Lisp. Strong negative forces want to reverse several decisions and threaten to destabilize the language, so in order to maintain the necessary pe
asciilifeform: ace that will allow developers to use this language at all, _nothing_ happens. By mounting a constant attack on the standards process, the nutcases who are never going to be happy with the language, anyway, ensure that their negative attitude keeps everyone else from being happy and becoming happier, too.'
asciilifeform: (http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3208226254834485@naggum.net.html)
asciilifeform: we're re-living history, in a way. the sane folks are ever less likely to 'reopen the btcd standard' with every passing day of derp.
xmj: mjr_: yes, well, what do you think the 'd' in btcd and bitcoind stands for?
xmj: hint: it's not Depressed.
kakobrekla: o i got this one, its 'doom'
xmj: no no, that's altcoind
mjr_: daemon?
mjr_: as in a background process?
mjr_: not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait << such gold
mjr_: either way, people vote with their mining power
xmj: *shrug* yes
mjr_: ok...
xmj: hence 'mining pools' over 'daemons'
mjr_: so when that pool got over 51%
mjr_: bitcoin failed right?
The20YearIRCloud: I want to IPO
mjr_: oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40
mjr_: so, if things need to change, they change
mjr_: this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2
mjr_: this is money
mjr_: and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick
mjr_: considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months
mjr_: i don't think we have this calcification that you point to
mjr_: the only question is WHICH changes
xmj: py3 vs py2 is not academic either
mjr_: and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument
mjr_: that is 100% academic
mjr_: most use python 2
xmj: god no
mjr_: the creator wants them to use python 3
mjr_: they don't
xmj: most companies use py2 because it a) works and b) you can hire developers fluent in py2 easily.
mjr_: and won't
mjr_: yes exactly
xmj: economics.
mjr_: even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3
mjr_: so...
asciilifeform: bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << what are the miners running?
asciilifeform: that'd be the standard
xmj: he can want that all day long :)
mjr_: he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does
asciilifeform: not the phoundation turd
xmj: asciilifeform: Thank you for reiterating my point.
mjr_: that is exactly my point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea.
mjr_: the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes
mjr_: not some guy at a foundation
mjr_: which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change
mjr_: what are the miners running?
mircea_popescu: enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.
mjr_: lol
mjr_: markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum
mjr_: and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point
mjr_: if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already
pete_dushenski: punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude
mjr_: there is no need to launch an alt
BingoBoingo: !up godovo lulz mine
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011.
mjr_: perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted
mjr_: ok...
mjr_: so bitcoin addresses
mjr_: instead of ip addresses
mjr_: messaging fields
mjr_: i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like
mjr_: and you can runn a diff on the code if you want
mircea_popescu: i can refer you to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out. <<bring on the muffins!
asciilifeform: btc is probably, for better or worse, frozen solid.
mjr_: i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011
asciilifeform: because the burden of proof on anybody pushing a 'pheature' to demonstrate that he isn't slipping in a semantic - or syntactic - pwnh0le - is just about impossible to meet.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and more so with every passing petahash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off to the nutty colonists cca 1700.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able to run.
mircea_popescu: you can translte the miner';s desire to "runn different code" in the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on the forum.
mircea_popescu: there's an entire class of them, occasionally i bitchslap them into the abyss, but whatever.
mjr_: ...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses
asciilifeform: an improvement, even if genuine, will be condemned to grind out a meagre existence as an altchain.
mjr_: and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 <<< this.
mjr_: so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong
mircea_popescu: that's fine. narrowing is always fine.
mjr_: you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed
mjr_: and perhaps they never will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds perfect, really.
BingoBoingo: !up Jezzz Good Boy!
mjr_: but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added
mircea_popescu: mjr_ yes, it is to say exactly that.
mjr_: you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed
mjr_: but you also say that no, no features are removed?
mircea_popescu: understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television.
mjr_: ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets
mjr_: so I notice a difference
mircea_popescu: narrowing fundamentally means those features never actually existed.
mjr_: no, they did
mjr_: that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed
mjr_: they clearly did
mjr_: and then they didn't
mircea_popescu: if i let you live in my garage because i'm too lazy to kick you out today, that doesn't mean the garage is your home.
mjr_: does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?
mircea_popescu: you may understandably wish to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes Login seems borked.
mjr_: i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
mircea_popescu: same thing with bs "features" that meanwhile got thrown out, same thing with bs features the spyteam has been trying to insert.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: not useful
mjr_: BUT still available to be used
mjr_: for example
mjr_: have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is
mircea_popescu: a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.
mjr_: that is a difference
mircea_popescu: that won't make the gun aprt of bitcoin.
mjr_: ok, fair enough
mjr_: tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede
mircea_popescu: multisig is not a thing.
mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now
mjr_: that will be accepted by the network
mjr_: valid per bitcoin rules
mircea_popescu: luke is trying to pretend like it is. that matters in the sense luke trying to pretend obama is jesus matters.
mjr_: ok, let me try broadcasting one
xmj: you can't craft a multisig transaction right now that will be accepted by the network valid per bitcoin rules
mjr_: and when it is rejected you are right
xmj: gnihihi
mjr_: you can
mjr_: it is done NOW
xmj: mjr_: you wanted someone to tell you that
mjr_: i'm saying that you can bury your head in the sand, it doesn't mean that reality ceases to exist
mircea_popescu: ...
TheNewDeal: mjr_ pix or it dint happen
mjr_: there was a point where you could not do a multisig
mjr_: now you can
mjr_: that is a difference
mjr_: i don't give a shit how you try to spin that
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care.
mjr_: it is an obvious difference
mircea_popescu: that day isn't here yet.
mjr_: ok, that is your personal choice
xmj: eheheh
mjr_: and your personal choice is not the bitcoin network rules
mircea_popescu: the fact you can make proper payments out of your braindamaged 3whatever also doesnt matter
mjr_: the rules changed
mjr_: i don't care...yuo said the protocol hadn't changed
mircea_popescu: your "multisig" thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it.
mjr_: which you can do
mircea_popescu: it hasn't dood.
mjr_: using the blockchain
mjr_: i really don't see how you can say that
mircea_popescu: suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest.
pete_dushenski: bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire << nice find!
mjr_: unless you mean something different
mircea_popescu: has mining now changed ?
mircea_popescu: because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on the machines ?
mjr_: yes
mjr_: it has
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mjr_: because before
mjr_: miners would reject that
mjr_: now they accept that
mjr_: that would be the textbook definition of a change
mjr_: how about a simpler one
mircea_popescu: no.
mjr_: you couldn't do tx of a certain size before
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assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
mjr_: now you can
mircea_popescu: the day I AM FORCED TO ACCEPT IT something changed.
mircea_popescu: until that day. have fun and i don't care.
mjr_: i never said you had to care
mjr_: or even notice
mircea_popescu: so it never changed.
mjr_: i said that you can use the subset of features
mjr_: and ignore the rest
mircea_popescu: if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change.
mjr_: that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, you conflate backwards compatible with identical
mircea_popescu: if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion
xmj: nah
mircea_popescu: backwards compatible is identical.
mjr_: i can run 32 bit programs on my 64 bit machine
mjr_: not identical
xmj: bullshit
mjr_: or are we arguing the defintion of identical
xmj: well, too bad mircea_popescu is ignoring me
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mjr_: identical means there is no difference
xmj: A works on B doesn't imply B works on A
mircea_popescu: so what if i hexedit the gui and make it pink
mjr_: i can run diff on the code and it comes out "no changes"
mircea_popescu: has bitcoin protcol now changed because pink gui ?
xmj: necessary and sufficient conditions, all over
mjr_: yes
mjr_: that is a change
mjr_: 100% certainly
mircea_popescu: yeah well that's nutty.
mjr_: may be, but it is a change
mjr_: to say that the color...changed, but there was no change
mircea_popescu: aite, go ahead an' change the world.
mjr_: is logically impossible