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asciilifeform: yes, they could.
mircea_popescu: back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
asciilifeform: and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's what i mean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then.
asciilifeform: if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ?
asciilifeform prepared
mircea_popescu: suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them.
mircea_popescu: they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them.
mircea_popescu: now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space.
mircea_popescu: BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you,
mircea_popescu: while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere
mircea_popescu: this artefact is actually your best bet.
mircea_popescu: that make sense ?
asciilifeform: it almost begins to
mod6: huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb.
mircea_popescu: so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me.
asciilifeform: but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually'
mircea_popescu: it HELPS me.
mircea_popescu: one direction, yes.
mircea_popescu: the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women.
mircea_popescu: some smell bad.
mircea_popescu: some are ugly.
mircea_popescu: NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you.
asciilifeform: the nonsense on reddit does nothing - granted
asciilifeform: but let's address the van.
mircea_popescu: imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen.
mircea_popescu: WORTH GOLD
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: and there's more directions.
mircea_popescu: as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
asciilifeform: say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought'
mircea_popescu: people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs.
mircea_popescu: the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used".
mircea_popescu: air superiority not useful in air engagement, but in political engagement sort of bs.
mircea_popescu: if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about.
mircea_popescu: this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting.
asciilifeform: it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep
asciilifeform: and occupation of own cities (see boston)
asciilifeform: and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed
mircea_popescu: sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento.
mircea_popescu: right, but none of which are what an army is actually for.
mircea_popescu: the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it.
asciilifeform: the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces
asciilifeform: who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for
mircea_popescu: if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual.
asciilifeform: see BingoBoingo's link
mircea_popescu: and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments.
mircea_popescu: because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ?
asciilifeform: so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like?
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge"
mircea_popescu: it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this.
mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret.
mircea_popescu: swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all.
asciilifeform: as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker
mircea_popescu: this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out.
asciilifeform: if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up
asciilifeform: what is one to do, wear trotyl vest ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security.
mircea_popescu: yes, if you must do that, wear vest might work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss
mircea_popescu: but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality"
asciilifeform: not exactly.
mircea_popescu: they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up.
asciilifeform: spent quite a bit during cold war
asciilifeform: not sure about now
asciilifeform: and trained decently.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station.
mircea_popescu: huge scandal ensued.
asciilifeform: http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Personal/Books/McPhee-Place-Concorde-Suisse << book
asciilifeform: on .ch army org
asciilifeform: ^ pretty good
mircea_popescu: cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd work about as well here as it would in peak nazi de
mircea_popescu: it would work splendidly.
asciilifeform: they'd demolish the street where you stood.
mircea_popescu: good.
mircea_popescu: there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name.
asciilifeform: we in fact saw this play out
asciilifeform: in boston
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: and what result ?
mircea_popescu: major losses for teh usg.
asciilifeform: i dun see it.
mircea_popescu: maybe our optics differ.
asciilifeform: they evidently must
mircea_popescu: maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me
mircea_popescu: ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters".
asciilifeform: not exactly
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev.
mircea_popescu: he will act as if he is, yes. but... he's not.
asciilifeform: say i'm a generic schmuck living in berlin in march, this day in '43
trinque: isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care?
asciilifeform: it looks mostly normal
mircea_popescu: trinque no. the street was in fact demolished.
asciilifeform: but stalingrad happened
asciilifeform: show me the stalingrad
trinque: mircea_popescu: right, but I recall joe stack day
trinque: and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not
mircea_popescu: trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun follow.
trinque: maybe the ratio's irrelevant
asciilifeform: where are the -real- cracks in the reich
mircea_popescu: they had to demolish a street ?
asciilifeform: and what, they are to go broke from paving a street?
mircea_popescu: i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ?
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
asciilifeform: the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway.
asciilifeform: not even rounding error.
mircea_popescu: there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job.
asciilifeform: so perhaps 'demolished a street' is exaggerated
mircea_popescu: i disagree.
mircea_popescu: let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ?
asciilifeform: herostratus aha
asciilifeform: that worked once.
asciilifeform: (exactly once)
mircea_popescu: familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ?
asciilifeform: sure, when you're working with -cowardly- and -imbecilic- narcissists
mircea_popescu: you think that matters ?
trinque: seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him"
trinque: would never be him
trinque: because he's not one of "those people"
asciilifeform: who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg.
mircea_popescu: trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes,
mircea_popescu: the government has lost 3-4% of its revenue.
asciilifeform: because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter
mircea_popescu: that does not work.
mircea_popescu: for a government to survive, it must actually have support.
asciilifeform: rock solid support from the cattle
trinque: mircea_popescu: there are militia groups around calling themselves "three percenters"
mircea_popescu: the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help.
trinque: that kind of thing?
mircea_popescu: trinque no particular kind of thing.
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'militia' thing is solid usg provocateurism from day one
asciilifeform: trinque: judging by the results
mircea_popescu: if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania.
mircea_popescu: very short story here : ceausescu made old style, stalinist-like show of how supported he is
mircea_popescu: trying to finesse himself into a senior adviser role for gorby
mircea_popescu: this amused the russian to no end.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the sovblok fell down with nato holding a seemingly soft (in reality not so much) cushion under its arse as it fell
asciilifeform: nobody is playing that role for usg
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: the buggers know that 'it'll be their necks'
asciilifeform: in the way that gorby didn't
mircea_popescu: what does their knowledge matter ?
mircea_popescu: they know they suck, now.
mircea_popescu: what can they do ?
mircea_popescu: take a simple thing : they all know ms is shit.
mircea_popescu: what can any one do to fix this ?
mircea_popescu: still using it.
mircea_popescu: still shit.
mircea_popescu: and i can send them pizza, and they have to wonder how i know.
mircea_popescu: and they go to work... and there it is. MICROSOFT BOOTING NAO.
mircea_popescu: and yet... what can they do ?
asciilifeform: it 'works' for them in the sense that no nsa-crypto directorate leaks. no meaningful cia leaks. perhaps they use 'underwood' typewriters instead of microshit ?
mircea_popescu: part of a system is part of a system is part of a system.
asciilifeform: damned if i know. but it 'works'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it didn't how'd you know ?
mircea_popescu: the german public didn't know about the enigma leaks.
asciilifeform: if it didn't in the same sense of 'didn't' as elsewhere in usg, i would know
asciilifeform: or at least suspect
mircea_popescu: the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona.
mircea_popescu: at least in my head.
asciilifeform: that don't what
asciilifeform even more confused
mircea_popescu: at least suspect.
asciilifeform: well admittedly, i suspect many things
mircea_popescu: but not this ?
asciilifeform: but some with better grounding than others
asciilifeform: let's say herr buffet's winblows machine, where he keeps tabs with his lizard commander, was owned.
mircea_popescu: but this strawman is in no case how it'd work is it.
asciilifeform: there is not a public display of this. ergo 'pwner' did not see it fit to do this.
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: let's have a better model.
nubbins`: re: field pogos
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha?
nubbins`: what's the LED gonna do for two weeks while the thing downloads and indexes blocks? 8)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: blink.
trinque: not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by *any* paying interest relevant here?
nubbins`: but that's what a bricked pogo does as well
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's because u-boot sets it a'blinking by default
asciilifeform: nubbins`: easily fixed
nubbins`: a-haa
trinque: seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought
nubbins`: i'm just musing about indications of progress
nubbins`: a blink isn't communicating much
trinque: what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely
trinque: not sure what happens after that
mircea_popescu: so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if
mircea_popescu: the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ?
mircea_popescu: better model ^
mircea_popescu: trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability.
trinque: yes exactly that
mircea_popescu: note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above.
jurov: ;;later tell nubbins` key added
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: tyvm!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: really it is done to make the idea of meaningful (as opposed to merely suicidal; so they hose off the pavement & everybody goes back to work) resistance less and less thinkable
asciilifeform: that robot was publicly displayed for a reason
mircea_popescu: i have mydoubts.
nubbins` sends mail, crosses digits
mircea_popescu: the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently...
nubbins`: ehh they used the robot because enough of the cops were scared enough
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: it sends exactly the opposite message.
nubbins`: there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago
mircea_popescu: we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops.
nubbins`: cops, having dealt with (and been embarassed by) the guy in the past, descend
nubbins`: he barricades self, cops bring out robot.
asciilifeform: the robot is a logical step to the escalation of usg police practice
asciilifeform: used to be they'd politely ask you to come to the station
asciilifeform: today, breaking down door at 3am and barrel in your mouth is NORMAL
mircea_popescu: just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35725 @ 0.00025621 = 9.1531 BTC [+]
jurov: nubbins`: gpg: invalid dash escaped line: -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat $(DEBUGFLAGS) $(DEFS) $(INCLUDEPATHS)\n
jurov: gpg: BAD signature from "Jonathan E. Keefe <jonkeefe@gmail.com>" [unknown]
nubbins`: he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!)
nubbins`: guy escapes out window during a shift change and hitchhikes back to town undetected.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
nubbins`: picked up buying smokes 3 hours later.
mircea_popescu: shift changes :D
jurov: looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it
nubbins`: jurov gmail but same fate regardless. sec
asciilifeform: ^
nubbins`: there you go
nubbins`: anyway the guy then fires like 5 public defenders, goes on to represent himself
nubbins`: makes the province spend countless tens of thousands
nubbins`: i think they're making a movie about him now.
jurov: same error.
nubbins`: wat! "plain text mode"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown.
mircea_popescu: that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game.
jurov: nubbins`: a) send to yourself, check. b) leave text aempty and attach known good clearsigned stuff as .txt
asciilifeform: i don't see the fear component here
mircea_popescu: or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is.
mircea_popescu: oft evaluates to zero.
nubbins`: ooo bad sig, looky loo. sec.
asciilifeform: they aren't rolling out the robots because they fear. but to save cost of a few stormtroopers' life insurance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ?
asciilifeform: and because robot maker (i know exactly who makes it) has an ear in congress
mircea_popescu: these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair
nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not because she went to a club and got herself stiff drunk to be fucked.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` check it out, google can't computer!
asciilifeform: and wai wat, omidyar - or at least his money - could be magicked away in a single hour if usg willed it.
mircea_popescu: orly ?
mircea_popescu: at what cost ?
asciilifeform: big fat deal, flip some bits
mircea_popescu: not how this works.
asciilifeform: they do it to russians all the time
nubbins`: jurov sent
mircea_popescu: not quite.
jurov: nubbins`: yup, there
nubbins`: woo
nubbins`: my first contrib
jurov: no shares for ya, sadly
mircea_popescu: cheers!
asciilifeform: congrats nubbins`
nubbins`: lel oops no subject
mircea_popescu: jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss
nubbins`: w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D
mircea_popescu: !ban nubbins` monsanto shill
nubbins`: noway dude, do you even log? no monsanto in twodogland
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: twodog is such a great name.
mircea_popescu: who invented it, herbi ?
BingoBoingo: Two more stories from Stluz today http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/prosecutor-brooklyn-ill-police-mishandled-evidence-and-towed-cars-for/article_09f92780-0e39-5cba-a677-9f02529ab047.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-whose-death-was-ruled-a-suicide-was-actually-killed/article_a95cfc4a-9f96-5ab3-9f0c-00c105ad3569.html
mircea_popescu: fluffypony ?
mircea_popescu: or was it dub ?
nubbins`: i thought it was you!
nubbins`: !s twodogland
assbot: 4 results for 'twodogland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogland
nubbins`: wow i really ran with that hey
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: it stays with me
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824310 loller ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 13:22:53; mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ?
mircea_popescu: but it's such a great name.
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479584 << i think it all started here. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2014 20:36:16; dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs?
nubbins`: ahahaha
nubbins`: "why is this bird made out of KFC?"
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: we dub it The Infringer
mircea_popescu: because it naturally infringes the kfc ip.
nubbins`: mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together
mircea_popescu: :D
nubbins`: why are all these people spamming the blockchain with bitcoin transactions?
nubbins`: etc
nubbins`: heh
jurov: myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such
mircea_popescu: also coca-cola sues diageo over patent-infringing side effects.
nubbins`: boids, not dogs!
nubbins`: two dogs is a pamphlet at best
mircea_popescu: "it's called CHRISTMAS CHEER GOD DAMNED IT!"
nubbins`: heh
jurov: ;;ud boid
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boid | Boid is an anagram for the phrase "blacked out in a ditch." The last two letters can be substituted for any number of different things, such as boib or boor (blacked ...
mircea_popescu: jurov it's east side "bird"
nubbins`: wtf urban dict
nubbins`: birds!
jurov: ;;ud boidage
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boidage | boibian · boible · BOIBO · boi boi · Boibrucer · Boibs · boic · Boice · boicee · boich · boichat · boichie · Boichika · Boichuk · boid · boidage · boidar · boid/boyd ...
mircea_popescu: you know that accent mobsters / kids in poor neighbourhood have in 30s, 40s and some 50s movies ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072601 << i am especially suspicious of this sort of claim. it's essentially a stereotype and an appeal to ignorance rolled into a mcdonald nugget.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'
mircea_popescu: "those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla"
asciilifeform: author's style, yes
asciilifeform: but claim - testable
mircea_popescu: only if restated.
mircea_popescu: a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original.
asciilifeform: he's talking about carl bernstein
mircea_popescu: no matter.
asciilifeform: http://www.carlbernstein.com << that one
assbot: Carl Bernstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOesBX )
mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp.
mircea_popescu: logic wtf.
asciilifeform: i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent"
mircea_popescu: uh...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point a decent argument will be constructable that you "led" some idiot to his death, too. because you know, used cardano after toasting it in pizza oven.
asciilifeform: it probably will be said, yes
asciilifeform: but if it appears to happen to every user, then it will be quite analogous to mr s
mircea_popescu: heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing.
asciilifeform recalls
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis
mircea_popescu: i dunno...
nubbins`: "doc, you can't write everything in bold. bold is for important st..." "GOD DAMMIT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT"
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072613 << anyway, this only works if one's willing to arrange the definition of tangible and interest after the fact.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest
mircea_popescu: "this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings"
mircea_popescu: by this standard, the wtc bombing also did nothing.
asciilifeform: something like ted turner turning tricks in a bangkok gay bar to buy a bowl of rice every other day - would count
asciilifeform: or a glassed davos
mircea_popescu: sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway.
mircea_popescu: an old man is not going to be a subsistence prostitute. ever.
mircea_popescu: that's a twelve year old trick.
asciilifeform: then begging
mircea_popescu: this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal.
mircea_popescu: like you know, sitting bull in that circus act.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud yfw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yfw | yfw you realize every one of the previous definitions are wrong ... "Hey YFW, been trying to call you all day" (A substitute for the friendly form of 'bitch'.) Or..
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072618 << oddly enough, mp has been doing very little code writing o.O
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:22:12; nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00025483 = 11.7094 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072621 << i disagree with this, ftr. it was atrocious.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards
mircea_popescu: i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us.
mircea_popescu: and for all the "no lizard interest" high horse : take the cisco collapse.
mircea_popescu: there's numerous examples of very similar things.
nubbins`: urbandict fail again
mircea_popescu: the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden.
nubbins`: yfw you realize what yfw means
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i got it from context, "your face when
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072626 << yes, but nothing he couldn't (and in all likelyhood didn't) obtain by wikipedia trolling.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:25:05; asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.
asciilifeform: is why i said 'connected dots' not 'new leak'
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072639 << using the word "this" in your sentence exposes you to this situation where your line is burried in a different discussion and evaluated while im in the middle of a yet another different discussion, producing a "wut ?" as sole output.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:31:31; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, he fell from mars. but echoed certain trains of thought that i heretofore encountered only in own head. hence linked.
asciilifeform: also fella has a net presence vastly smaller than what one expects even a very modest crackpot
TomServo: ey folks, got my shipment today http://i.imgur.com/13p8tXK.jpg :D
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOiNoK )
mircea_popescu: to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true"
mircea_popescu: nice TomServo
TomServo: unfortunately due to poor ebay skills my cp2102 arrive... 'sometime' in april
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: wd
TomServo: there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open?
asciilifeform: !up tris
asciilifeform: TomServo: you don't have to solder the serial port if you're careful
mircea_popescu: TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual
mircea_popescu: but the thing stil lin flux
mircea_popescu: prolly stuff in his manual as is closest to what you want
decimation: re: snowden etc. < I think it's hilarious that folks see conspiracy when redditard volunteer would do
asciilifeform: decimation: the state-controlled media fellates him 24/7
mircea_popescu: decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing.
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere
mircea_popescu: THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia.
mircea_popescu: jurov not best just re-use b-a wiki ?
mircea_popescu: too many wikis...
asciilifeform: and every time he opens mouth, what comes out? 'brave journalists', 'use tor!', etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he actually says use gpg.
jurov: kk mircea
mircea_popescu: he very guardedly recomends tor.
asciilifeform greps
mircea_popescu: and most of that is guardian rewriting what he actually said.
decimation: re: greewald being on usg payroll < is also hilarious
asciilifeform: does s ever -mention- pgp?
mircea_popescu: (now, that guardian has all through had a very strong "dope it" agenda is true, and quite visible
decimation: the man has the operational acumen of a wet noodle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. pretty much every single speech.
asciilifeform: or merely the fact that one of the documents (not necessarily his) did so
mircea_popescu: pretty.much.every.single.speech.
mircea_popescu: decimation one being inept is almost a requirement for usg payroll.
decimation: mircea_popescu: snowden does discredit 'crowdsourcing'
mircea_popescu: decimation not sure if discredit per se, but it does illustrate its (long suspected) limitations.
mircea_popescu: maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo.
decimation: usg has a small number of non-inept employees
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/architect-of-cias-drone-campaign-to-leave-post-in-watershed-moment-for-agency/2015/03/25/261289ec-d2f7-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html < this is probably what happens to them
assbot: CIA official who directed hunt for bin Laden is being removed from post - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOkH8O )
mircea_popescu: yeah, because everyone likes to say "present company excluded".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314392 @ 0.0002502 = 78.6609 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: l0l, this is prelude to death
mircea_popescu: decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ?
asciilifeform: just as they 'training accidented' the -whole fucking crew-
decimation: heh he didn't die
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see the costs for THAT yet alf ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps in the "we can't send anyone to tikrit" ?
decimation: he was 'promoted' to a 'non-in-charge-of-life-and-death decisions' post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00024486 = 22.772 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: is that a cost you look for and quantify ?
decimation: re: costs < yes, usg is cost constrained, but note that nearly all of it is 'self-imposed damage'
mircea_popescu: well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus"
mircea_popescu: cactus is still spiked.
decimation: usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world
decimation: but the cactus seemed like a better option
mircea_popescu: "could"
decimation: note that snowden saw himself as far less inept than his colleages, and he was probably right
mircea_popescu: wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game.
mircea_popescu: us sec could register its wot key with mpex, us fed could announce plans for bitcoin-convertibility of usg,
mircea_popescu: so many coulds so little brainz.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time
decimation: The effects on most other child outcomes, which include drug consumption, scholastic performance, and skills, can usually be bounded to a tight interval around zero. ^ http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-null-hypothesis-for-income-and-wealth/
assbot: The Null Hypothesis for Income and Wealth | askblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI3icz )
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description.
asciilifeform out of date then
decimation: ^ writing about winning the swedish lottery
decimation: someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person
mircea_popescu: lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth.
decimation: "Overall, our findings suggest that correlations observed in affluent, developed countries between (i) wealth and health or (ii) parental income and children’s outcomes do not reflect a causal effect of wealth."
decimation: it turns out that a poor bum who wins alot of money is still just a poor bum
asciilifeform: decimation: ^ known around the world
asciilifeform: however, note that maths phd etc. never win lotteries
asciilifeform: (they don't play)
decimation: true
asciilifeform: lottery selects for idiocy
mircea_popescu: lottery is just a very bad model for this sort of research
mircea_popescu: but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: believe or not, i haven't the time
mircea_popescu: this bias is, incidentally, why "stifling science" is such a suspect cry de guerre. one never nows if it's genuine science being supressed,
BingoBoingo: I believe it
mircea_popescu: or just some of these clock punchers didn't get money for their mortgage.
decimation: possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100 to 1 it's 'clock punchers'
asciilifeform: the genuine article doesn't have time or microphone to whine
mircea_popescu: decimation and who's paying for the divergence from thermodynamics ?
decimation: well, apparently not the lottery
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: of course not! lottery is an entropic result! thinkaboutit!!11
mircea_popescu: NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts
decimation: at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc s tried to teach greenwald gpg and he couldnt figure it out
nubbins`: s had to make a video etc
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like,
nubbins`: all kidnappy-voiced
mircea_popescu: but i suspect it comes with three different types of cherenkov effect
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, i am VERY suspect of people who claim to "not be able to figure it out".
mircea_popescu: either indiancandies or else, assets.
mircea_popescu: in either case...
asciilifeform: usually if someone has the basic nervous system needed to operate the machine at all, he -can-
nubbins`: mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp
decimation: note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it
nubbins`: $5 says they get someone else to install it for em
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that'd be... brendafdez ?
nubbins`: ahh \o/
asciilifeform: nubbins`: or generated key at imamoronmakemeakey.com
mircea_popescu: what do i get now ? hm ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00025542 = 20.5741 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: an invoice for a thousand pogos?
mircea_popescu: waitwut!
nubbins`: HUE
mircea_popescu: i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP
mircea_popescu: WHY SO MEAN
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels
nubbins`: i've got a, uh. turdel and a pogo
mircea_popescu: shoulda done fewer whippets!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: easiest way to test is to reconfigure it to boot from tftp
asciilifeform: !s tftp
assbot: 12 results for 'tftp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tftp
asciilifeform: this is some extra effort vs. stuffing it on usb or sd, but will pay off later
asciilifeform: as it shortens the test loop when you start screwing with it in earnest
asciilifeform: (i'm in the process of making the build replicable)
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072728 << ahahaha o bring me thy log lines! i got one cornered!
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:19:18; jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes*
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072743 << i wish they'd start publishing these as gpg signed statemewnts.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;
mircea_popescu: so you know, one can check these claims
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072753 << you know, this is something a (reasonably unknown) derp can do for himself - just spam a lot.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him
asciilifeform: could
mircea_popescu: i know because angry/stupid .ro folk with delusions of self importance tried this sort of thing (on like 3 different occasions) against me
mircea_popescu: didn't take, but was informative
asciilifeform: which thing, out of curiosity
mircea_popescu: like the qntra ddos stuff was informative re wp etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "let's get google convinced this guy is a spammer"
asciilifeform: whatever it was - worked.
mircea_popescu: it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e.
mircea_popescu: notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around".
mircea_popescu: it "always works", they thought, so why not.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of this going on the intertubes.
decimation: re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks
mircea_popescu: heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!"
asciilifeform: decimation: sure he does. in his picture, snowden (but especially the greenwald gang) lead genuine defectors to perdition 2) lead public to use 'blackphones', 'redphones', and misc. garbage 3) drum up a general sense of dread and 'the walls have ears'
mircea_popescu: im not sure i'd hang any man for either of these.
asciilifeform: admittedly #2 is more my conjecture than sachs text
decimation: all of which happen with or without their help
mircea_popescu: for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they could trivially be stated about you << just about anything could be. and folks would believe it, too.
mircea_popescu: i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel_with_telnet.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4jBn )
mircea_popescu: too much "obviously..." jumping
trinque: I joked just last night that #b-a RPG was a meta-NSA recruitment program
asciilifeform: congrats danielpbarron!
mircea_popescu: trinque you think this is funny ?
BingoBoingo: Moar Winblows http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/german-pro-basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-due-to-windows-update/
assbot: German pro basketball team relegated to lower division due to Windows update | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4kVG )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron that useful for TomServo's q above ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha qntra!
trinque: mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms
decimation: lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint
mircea_popescu: trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open.
trinque: ah fuck
mircea_popescu: now ima have to make another thing!
trinque: LOL
asciilifeform: 'with blackjack! and hookers'
asciilifeform: (TM)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first
mircea_popescu: sorry folks. eulora project ended.
trinque: my mother will be so proud
decimation: http://pocan.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/pocan-massie-introduce-legislation-to-repeal-patriot-act < snowden's ultimate gift to usg
assbot: Pocan & Massie Introduce Legislation to Repeal PATRIOT Act | Congressman Mark Pocan ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4ufZ )
mircea_popescu: so i want to announce this... umm... florist stand that s.mg will be producing.
mircea_popescu: brick and mortar store and TOTALLY not a recruitment front.
danielpbarron: TomServo, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4vAn )
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072772 << did he go to spanish harvard ?!
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.
asciilifeform: nah sotomayor harvard
asciilifeform: or perhaps gwb harvard
asciilifeform did not say he bought sachs's creds wholesale
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ?
mircea_popescu: what, his dad built the clocktower ?
asciilifeform: actually they keep a certain number of such characters around
mircea_popescu: iirc there's no jew quota at harvard.
asciilifeform: tendrils of usg in the turd world
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072793 << i am not aware he made such a promise ?!
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions
asciilifeform: they go home, and become pliant administrators, dreaming of sending the childrenz to usa
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the 'snowden twitter' did
asciilifeform: some time sept. or oct., iirc
mircea_popescu: do you mean https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/475346838627696640 ?
assbot: Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-)
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: 'On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.'
decimation: lol
mircea_popescu: dude srlsy.
mircea_popescu: it was a parody acct.
mircea_popescu: (The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: “I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the ‘80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government.”
mircea_popescu: An even more apocalyptic promise says: “On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.”)
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: that was on the actual account.
asciilifeform: well, as 'actual' as any of him
TomServo: danielpbarron: aye, thanks - i'm disecting now
TomServo: asciilifeform: also thanks
mircea_popescu: is that the exact quote you meant or different ?
asciilifeform: exact quote from own notes
asciilifeform: trying to find some corroboration of it to link to
decimation: asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation'
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden/status/397048402510245888 << ?
mircea_popescu: srsly, i suspect you ended up intoxicated from 2nd hand material.
mircea_popescu: the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct.
asciilifeform: to be fair, it isn't like his other communiques are pgp-signed.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: the claim here isn'tthat the cow flies.
decimation: asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information?
mircea_popescu: the claim is that the cow actually gives milk.
mircea_popescu: (which, also, not signed)
asciilifeform: decimation: and afaik he never followed any analogue of 'ascii_field can talk and i will say if it was an impostor yesterday' principle
asciilifeform: never disavowed the garbage
mircea_popescu: imo that is the correct strategy.
mircea_popescu: if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own
mircea_popescu: if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1"
mircea_popescu: why should HE discuss what other people say ?
asciilifeform: granted
asciilifeform: unrelated >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/03/26/what-we-know-about-andreas-lubitz-the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-plane-crash/?tid=pm_world_pop << omg1111!!!11 wr3ck3rz!!
assbot: What we know about Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4X1H )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-by-ms-windows-misbehavior/
assbot: Basketball Team Relegated to Lower Division by MS Windows Misbehavior | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4Xi2 )
decimation: actually related
mircea_popescu: srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded.
mircea_popescu: such perfect italian opportunity to conquer galia again.
decimation: some derpy youth takes matters beyond him into his own hands, fails to do much of use
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol win.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072801 << i lolled.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:01:01; nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg
mircea_popescu: guy defo has his buttons.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072809 << pls to explain this.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:02:33; asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.
asciilifeform: radiation damage.
asciilifeform: if any of his biographical material is to be believed, he's been at the futile soapbox thing for decades.
mircea_popescu: like me ?
mircea_popescu: or how you distinguish ?
asciilifeform: the 'futile' part
mircea_popescu: how is it anything but futile ?
mircea_popescu: like... ppl still investing on forum, right ?
asciilifeform: sachs, i meant
mircea_popescu: what, specifically, is not futile ?
mircea_popescu: human fucking condition.
asciilifeform: time for 'zoom to fit image' here
mircea_popescu: holy shit, i don't even fuck without a condom!
asciilifeform: (vs 'zoom to fit human condition')
mircea_popescu: so you're saying this particular zoom quantity has a quality all of its own ?
asciilifeform: was trying to say, that sachs is successfully censored, for the most part
asciilifeform: even 'yandex' returns somewhere between 1 and 3 hits for him (depending on luck of the draw)
mircea_popescu: well... my twitter account got abandoned once and banned once.
mircea_popescu: reddit thinks it a great success (the 2nd, not the 1st)
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: where is the sachs version of #b-a ?
asciilifeform: or of castle mircea_popescustein ?
mircea_popescu: absence of proof = proof of absence ?
asciilifeform: granted
mircea_popescu: same could be argued by rpietilla.
asciilifeform: but wherever it is - well-hidden.
asciilifeform: as in, airtight.
mircea_popescu: he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these.
asciilifeform: note the date of the linked piece
asciilifeform: quite a while ago
mircea_popescu: the jew baiting letter was 2000 iirc
asciilifeform: and i would have never seen it had he not written a letter to cryptome (see other link)
asciilifeform: speaking of the snowden thing here
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5l0e )
mircea_popescu: but wouldn't you say that describing that legalese boilerplate as "jew baiting" in 2000 would offer sufficient explanation of why he can't get his shit published in 2012 or w/e ?
asciilifeform: published by new yorker - sure
asciilifeform: indexed by google?
asciilifeform: yandex?!
mircea_popescu: maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ?
asciilifeform: that'd be the one time it worked
mircea_popescu: understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access.
mircea_popescu: i could do it, generally, for pretty much anyone.
asciilifeform: incidentally they normally publish the letter
asciilifeform: but in his case made exception.
mircea_popescu: afaik they do not any longer
mircea_popescu: used to, but became too much hassle
asciilifeform: did for warez, as of a few wks ago when i last saw.
mircea_popescu: link or something ?
asciilifeform: https://www.chillingeffects.org/submission_id/1420769
assbot: Chilling Effects - 404 Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5oco )
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: one that doesnt 404 ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, alf is a tachyon. has read the future.
asciilifeform: search for 'leszek sachs'
asciilifeform: then follow link
mircea_popescu: Cerca de 343.000 resultados
mircea_popescu: includes > dozen pics of the same bespectacled fellow
asciilifeform: incidentally #b-a is not at the top of the page like usual.
mircea_popescu: and is no such link
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might be geolocatronic shenanigans
asciilifeform: of the kind google is famous for
mircea_popescu: it is, which is what i said.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: do you wish to see the html ?
asciilifeform: dpaste
asciilifeform: but yes, did see the pics
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/25VM435
assbot: dpaste: 25VM435 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5ArT )
asciilifeform: notably, did not see the document linked on cryptome
mircea_popescu: the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results)
decimation: the cryptome 'letter' is also lulzy
asciilifeform: i suppose we'll see if there is a gnome with a hand-edited 'google blackhole' chart, soon enough
decimation: one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others
nubbins`: root@debian:/# tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet
nubbins`: 0x800000: unknown host
mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-10/google-moves-destroy-online-anonymity-…-helping-authoritarian-governments-pro << he was in zerohedge ffs, last year.
assbot: Page Not Found | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5Gjs )
asciilifeform: decimation: the historic, self-admitted 'national character' of cia (as described in their authorized histories, note) is as a gang of 'younger sons' of old-money lords in usa. on account of the elementary fact that these were the only possible recruits because no one else was cultured or spoke languages.
asciilifeform: (ww2 period)
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today
asciilifeform: decimation: depends what is meant by 'employees'
asciilifeform: the paper-pushers - undoubtedly.
mircea_popescu: oh, meta-cia as well ?
mircea_popescu: that i might almost credit.
asciilifeform: meta-cia i can't even take credit for
mircea_popescu: right.
decimation: it seems from the wapo article about the anti-al-quaeda chap that he ran the 'meta-cia'
asciilifeform: worked great in su.
mircea_popescu: so alf, guy was in zh two years ago. it never caught. also supression ?
asciilifeform: i can't insist on it. but can't rule out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00024431 = 18.1522 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072854 << i suspect you're confused as to the meaning of at least one word in there :D
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:31:49; nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0
decimation: how could anyone inside usg accomplish anything at all without creating a meta-something
mircea_popescu: i hear this is how they get laid, too.
asciilifeform: can't say the sachs thing is a living animal. but a bone, with just enough meat on it to be worth picking up.
decimation: as if including the diversity-based hiring quotees could enhance the outcome?
asciilifeform: decimation: the basic 'meta' picture in my head is the small group inside virtually any gigantic and ossified organization that actually gets things done
decimation: which is what happens in any large organization
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the skunkworks without the management ?
asciilifeform: or with own management, which largely functions to insulate it from the nominal management.
mircea_popescu: this is a very important difference here.
mircea_popescu: afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these.
mircea_popescu: as a self-organised thing i never saw it exist
asciilifeform: almost certainly ww2 vintage.
mircea_popescu: save in very narrow conditions (say, the it dept)
asciilifeform: the men, i mean
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072895 << wait. and this is unlike normal openssh how again ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:55:07; asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd
asciilifeform: normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift.
asciilifeform: not to mention user i/o
asciilifeform: (very scant, but real, 'meat entropy' from human devices, etc)
mircea_popescu: my poor stab at poor openssh securitah.
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought it didn't have an rtc
asciilifeform: anyway that thing under no conceivable circumstances ought to be remotely shellable and sitting on public net at same time
asciilifeform: decimation: it has a useless rtc
mircea_popescu: fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure can.
decimation: why not an init with the auto-kill while loop
asciilifeform: decimation: init of what
decimation: I mean init is literally just a while loop
decimation: no shell
asciilifeform: decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible
decimation: could dhcp
asciilifeform: i don't like dhcp in my house.
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: and can't imagine i'm the only one
asciilifeform: dhcp also means we have to bring back upnp
asciilifeform: think about it!
asciilifeform: the demo turdel dhcp's, yes
decimation: not with a well configured dhcp/firewall
decimation: but it would be more complex, I agree
asciilifeform: decimation: how many in target audience will have well-configured anythign?
decimation: hehe
asciilifeform: we're probably stuck bringing back upnp regardless
mircea_popescu: what fire wall anyway ?
asciilifeform: (as a separate demon, i suggest)
mircea_popescu: this plugs into router.
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whai ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because how is anyone to connect to this thing!
mircea_popescu: decimation that's unused, yes.
decimation: ???
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ugh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think about it for a minute
decimation: gulz at your party gonna configure their services
mircea_popescu: shit.
decimation: this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists
asciilifeform: jurov made this observation in october
asciilifeform: that upnp will have to be grudgingly brought back, if only as a separate process
decimation: because nat fucks up everything
asciilifeform: (outside of bitcoind)
mircea_popescu: http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/b6/cb6523a6-02dc-5cc2-be49-762e7e525851/5514637854c52.image.jpg << is that actualy a gun ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Csuteg )
asciilifeform: if the thing is to be given to 'civilians'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'mossberg'
asciilifeform: three-round '12 ga' mag
asciilifeform: the other two barrels, no idea
decimation: is that the bot they sent after the boston bombers
asciilifeform: (speaking of the black barrel)
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
asciilifeform: decimation: from earlier newpiece today re: a tax guy
decimation: heh
decimation: it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm'
decimation: maybe paintball?
asciilifeform: i count 3 barrels
asciilifeform: brb
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072978 << yeah.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 20:44:33; asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?
decimation: one of them might be a laser
decimation: although it is a large barrel for a laser
mircea_popescu: i'd expect smoke launchers etc.
decimation: usians have been brainwashed too long to be turned into north kr-ites
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072986 << everyone's going to be the first guy to stick a finger in teenaged pussy. FOREVER.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166947 @ 0.00024425 = 40.7768 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: weirdly the dec 19 SPY put option with the most open interest is 135
decimation: current 'money' is at 205
nubbins`: asciilifeform danielpbarron etc http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsuWgk )
mircea_popescu: decimation bear in mind that this sort of thing is seen often enough.
mircea_popescu: it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time.
decimation: mircea_popescu: apparently so. I'm trying to find a way to hedge my mostly long position on us equities
mircea_popescu: options are rarely the way to go for something like that.
decimation: well these days bonds and stocks trade as one
decimation: because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: congrats
nubbins`: ty
nubbins`: still working on cross-compile toolchain for darwin->arm
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'buildroot' builds cross-chain
asciilifeform: on just about any reasonable unix
asciilifeform: and i mean all of it
nubbins`: hm, i'll cheggidout
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with
asciilifeform: nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there
asciilifeform: as just another 'package'
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc
asciilifeform: the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing)
asciilifeform: decimation: ideally i would be designing it full time in b-a or whatnot
decimation: not that this would be of any use to the target audience
decimation: aye
asciilifeform: decimation: and it would be baking in my personal fab
asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'
decimation: wait do you mean argentina or #b-a
asciilifeform: the former
asciilifeform: (just as example)
asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term
nubbins`: spent much time in a foreign country?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, 22 years.
decimation: asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost.
decimation: oh a full chip fab?
asciilifeform: chip fab and army
asciilifeform: and pet economy to feed the two.
decimation: asciilifeform: so you basically want singapore
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
asciilifeform: but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best
decimation: well, I would pick an island in the middle of the pacific for definisibility
asciilifeform: not enough info from my perch to even say something reasonable beyond 'it ain't happening'
decimation: defensibility
nubbins`: dat off-brand battery
asciilifeform: island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it.
decimation: eh, kinda
decimation: the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected
decimation: if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed
asciilifeform: 'tomahawk'
asciilifeform: much cheaper
nubbins`: asciilifeform:nubbins`: yes, 22 years. <<< lel @ me
decimation: cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft
asciilifeform: decimation: see old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.
asciilifeform: (summary: defence doesn't work)
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you
decimation: the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness
mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...
mircea_popescu: it's like being in a campus
mircea_popescu: decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool
decimation: aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next
mircea_popescu: if you do that you will lose money.
mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
decimation: well, the problem I have is picking the stirke price and quantity that is appropriate
decimation: there are plenty of short funds avialable, but they all have extremely high costs
mircea_popescu: if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: this is very time-invariant.
decimation: yeah that's a fair point
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important.
decimation: well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights
mircea_popescu: you have to sink the ship befroe it fires.
mircea_popescu: after, what's it gonna do.
decimation: declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial
mircea_popescu: this is a nude declaration of war.
nubbins`: 2000!
nubbins`: my sides
mircea_popescu: and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ?
decimation: no, you shoot it down once it hits your 2000 mile border without ident
mircea_popescu: it doesn't. sits at 2050 miles and waves.
decimation: can do until it runs out of fuel
mircea_popescu: what, plutonium ?
decimation: the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides'
asciilifeform: decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk
nubbins`: this is hypothetical to the point of absurdity
asciilifeform: decimation: or do you imagine that even something as basic as 'v1' can be built from dirt
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them.
decimation: it's a fair point, one would have to have a large chunk of wealth
asciilifeform: decimation: wealth as in functioning tame economy and natural resources.
asciilifeform: not as in 'numbers in account'
asciilifeform: esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up
mircea_popescu: this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red.
mircea_popescu: yeah... that'll work...
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: ^
decimation: it did 'work' for a few hundred years
asciilifeform: pre-aircraft
mircea_popescu: right. but you're in the wrong hundred.
mircea_popescu: see, if i had the magical stone that lets you turn time back FOR THE OTHERS
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bother with the island.
decimation: okay, if not an island? where ?
mircea_popescu: here.
nubbins`: ಠ_ಠ
decimation: hawala works fine for finance but not for real estate
asciilifeform: it also, very notably, does not work especially well for physical objects as a class.
asciilifeform: last i checked, there were no teleporters.
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: what is this objection ?
decimation: where's ascii gonna locate his fab, to be specific
asciilifeform: objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter'
mircea_popescu: why does locale matter ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab
mircea_popescu: rather than "build his own"
asciilifeform: and trust the product from fraud ?
asciilifeform: and have item fabbed on winblows tools ?
mircea_popescu: the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own"
mircea_popescu: much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have it secretly dualboot for all i care.
asciilifeform very confused
mircea_popescu: have them upgrade to archlinux "for their own interest".
asciilifeform: how does this 'solve'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: the problem is no longer "where to place the fab" but "where to find coders".
mircea_popescu: very substantially different.
asciilifeform: so who do i 'persuade' to replay 1970-2000 ?
mircea_popescu: who is different from where.
asciilifeform: and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required.
mircea_popescu: THIS works for who.
mircea_popescu: no argument.
mircea_popescu: but if you ask me, i do not see ideal situation as "private island where 04938509348509834 SAM batteries and nukes, and purpose-built IC fab"
mircea_popescu: i see it as, "elaborate virus, makes targetted fab shit out our own gear "accidentally", we buy it as tailings for pennies"
nubbins`: oh ho
mircea_popescu: did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day'
nubbins`: duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech
decimation: except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all
mircea_popescu: decimation depends on the code.
asciilifeform: and at any rate, it needs to happen N times, not 1.
mircea_popescu: and so it will.
decimation: and achieve substantial yeild
mircea_popescu: decimation 1% yield, as long as it's not your run, is fine isn't it.
mircea_popescu: even better than 99% yield.
asciilifeform: cuckoldry doesn't work on everything.
mircea_popescu: buy the duds, "sell them for scrap"
decimation: how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one?
mircea_popescu: most of them, anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, it does.
mircea_popescu: decimation buy them for scrap ?
mircea_popescu: they ARE garbage are they not.
asciilifeform: this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run.
decimation: wait, I thought they were 'dual use'
mircea_popescu: decimation the plant not the boards.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do tell ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front
nubbins`: and another in bangor
mircea_popescu: (and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here)
decimation: well for one thing, each and every 'run' of a modern chip requires milllions in setup fees
asciilifeform: just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island...
mircea_popescu: (just, THIS lolz you're better equipped to appreciate, not being gunnery sgts or w/e)
mircea_popescu: decimation so ?
asciilifeform: no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical
decimation: literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run
asciilifeform: of each -layer-
mircea_popescu: decimation so ? they know it failed.
mircea_popescu: what now ?
decimation: why would they risk revealing their ip by selling dud units
mircea_popescu: huh ?
asciilifeform: the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large.
mircea_popescu: what, they do the melting down in house ?
decimation: absolutely they do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so
mircea_popescu: decimation i'll bet you they subcontract it away
nubbins`: now you gotta own an Iron Mountain franchise too?
mircea_popescu: and if they don't presently...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wut ?!
asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware
mircea_popescu: the word bribe was in there.
asciilifeform: in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a
asciilifeform: or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being : we don't construct a new earth.
mircea_popescu: we repurpose the extant one.
mircea_popescu: sorry to disappoint the settlers.
decimation: even with bribery, it would take a very large dole and a tight organization
mircea_popescu: right
asciilifeform: i for one would settle for autonomous food-n-shelter-tron
asciilifeform: could probably come up with a fab. in time...
mircea_popescu: but CHEAPER THAN ISLAND
decimation: that's not obvious to me at all
mircea_popescu: really ?
decimation: how much do you think pitcairn island costs
mircea_popescu: here we go again with this nominalist fallacy.
asciilifeform: decimation: it may as well be in center of washington
asciilifeform: decimation: for all the sovereignty the 'title' of the island gets you.
asciilifeform: or which 'cost' was spoken of
mircea_popescu: you'd have to buy midway to get the 2k miles you want
decimation: in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters
mircea_popescu: how much does midway cost ?
mircea_popescu: it's self governing like ukraine is self-governing.
decimation: obviously usg aint' selling
decimation: (midway is a nature preserve now)
asciilifeform: also recall the 'seastead' thread
mircea_popescu: decimation uk fashion, this
asciilifeform: (there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg)
mircea_popescu: how to suspend laws ? o i know, turn it into a forest!!1
asciilifeform: *to sea
nubbins`: sealand!
decimation: george bush turned 2000 miles of territory west of hawaii into a forest
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papah%C4%81naumoku%C4%81kea_Marine_National_Monument
assbot: Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwRTLD )
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: " It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana."
asciilifeform: wai wat
decimation: and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law
decimation: asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway
asciilifeform: it also owns europe
asciilifeform: what of it
decimation: perhaps in a few decades when france has collapsed sufficiently, it would be possible to seize an island from french polynesia
asciilifeform: ... and do what on it?
asciilifeform: you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea
asciilifeform: it doesn't buy you sovereignty
asciilifeform: or autarky
mircea_popescu: i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because everybody wants to get the fuck away from the buggers
asciilifeform: and likes to imagine that there is a place to go
asciilifeform: where there is something more to do than dig own grave
decimation: aye
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats"
asciilifeform: this also.
mircea_popescu: nobody proposes toi, you know, move to mongolia
mircea_popescu: or kansas. which would be more practical.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think for a minute
asciilifeform: the absolute innermost circle of hell is the company of other -poor people-
asciilifeform: boat is a machine for being poor without having to endure poor people.
mircea_popescu: but it's empty.
mircea_popescu: fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ?
mircea_popescu: go to novosibiirks and walk.
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how deserted it gets ?
asciilifeform: if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? << This is a point. And on land unlike on sea one can travel even if deprived of vehicle.
asciilifeform: in alaska, or in greenland, or in the pacific ocean.
mircea_popescu: no. because in alaska you can live, and live well, and alone.
mircea_popescu: in ocean you, not being either fish or seal, drown.
asciilifeform: perelman, possibly could.
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mircea_popescu: and no, vicinty would not get less empty.
mircea_popescu: police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY
mircea_popescu: where there's no derps, the usg does not magic some into place.
asciilifeform: aha and usg herbicide runs over the coke fields of colombia never happened ?
asciilifeform: usg is perfectly happy to magic into the right place
mircea_popescu: you wisah to grow cocaine on your island ?!
asciilifeform: as a hypothetical
asciilifeform: litmus test, so to speak, of sovereignty
mircea_popescu: srsly ?
asciilifeform: or nukes, if you like
mircea_popescu: well, if that's the standard i guess the south east of russia then, definitely.
asciilifeform: can you work on a plausible thermonuke in your kingdom? if yes, then sovereign.
mircea_popescu: between tashkent and fuckwascalled
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lenin_named_square_-_Tashkent_1982.jpg << there. how about that lol.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwVyci )
mircea_popescu: notice anything ?
mircea_popescu: "o, is that an airport ?" "no, it's a mall."
asciilifeform: road for tanks
asciilifeform: and airstrip when it wants.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i must confess that i've forgotten what kind of puzzle all of this was intended to be a solution to.
asciilifeform: if it's 'get out of usg', this is rather like learning that your house has roaches and answering by looking for some small corner which, as of yet, does not have any roaches therein
mircea_popescu: it was merely my curiosity as to "why island"
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/paypal-settles-with-us-for-sanctions-violations/
assbot: PayPal Settles With US For Sanctions Violations | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwWnls )
mircea_popescu: which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves.
mircea_popescu: lawl.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can speak only for myself, but i live by 'hell is other people'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92500 @ 0.00025626 = 23.7041 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people.
mircea_popescu: to prefer a solution that clearly will not work, and by necessity, over a solution that clearly does in fact work is one definition of insanity.
asciilifeform: specially-selected other people. but otherwise yes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That comes in next story on not-Bitcoins behaving badly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no longer a solution to your stated problem.
asciilifeform: i suspect that most 'boat people' would actually rather be mircea_popescu, but you can go and buy a boat. you cannot buy 'be mircea_popescu'
mircea_popescu: but merely because yo ucan buy something...
mircea_popescu: i mean why not buy a can of sprayable cheese then ?
mircea_popescu: spray some on door.
asciilifeform: people with limited imagination actually dream of attainable things
asciilifeform: believe or not!
mircea_popescu: cheaper things that also do not work could be had...
asciilifeform: i know, it's mind-boggling
asciilifeform: 'here have this brick'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034997 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler.
mircea_popescu: that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable.
asciilifeform thought that this was well-known.
mircea_popescu: well you never know.
asciilifeform: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-z-chesnoff/ema-film-unfinishedem-the_b_682030.html? << i watched this film. and i happen to know how to read, and know that the restaurants existed.
assbot: <em>A Film Unfinished</em>: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen Through Nazi Eyes | Richard Z. Chesnoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwY1DA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79198 @ 0.00025752 = 20.3951 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'Horrifying snippets of it have appeared over the years: a starving child dying on the streets of the Ghetto while other Jews walk by or still others dine on meals at well stocked restaurants that never existed' '
asciilifeform: ^ crock'o'shit
asciilifeform: the collaborationists were amply supplied, even with caviar, almost until the end.
asciilifeform: between them and the black-marketeers, enough to feed a regiment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14552 @ 0.00025942 = 3.7751 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: why did the author of the article find it necessary to insert this howler, i wonder
asciilifeform: 'never existed'
nubbins`: yeah, this boot via tftp is pretty dope.
mircea_popescu: because he thinks he knows thing, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/maripostas/ << here, exact same problem.
assbot: Maripostas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx0iP3 )
mircea_popescu: read the clerk in shop part.
BingoBoingo: WTF they hash their inventory?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.00025874 = 44.348 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: de facto.
mircea_popescu: turn HerpenStock Ultra Plus into Herpnstk Ult P
mircea_popescu: it's a hash innit ? shitty one but nevertheless
BingoBoingo: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 311250 @ 0.00026011 = 80.9592 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.0002552 = 26.3877 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00025512 = 8.8386 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60691727.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgnfNX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00025695 = 29.7291 BTC [+] {2}
felipelalli: Guys, I just wrote an article about BTCJam: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/btcjam-e-genericos-nao-use/
assbot: BTCJam e genéricos: não use | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgoLjc )
felipelalli: Thank you for all, and thanks mircea_popescu
felipelalli: I have to sleep, here 3:40 AM. I'll see your feedback later.
mircea_popescu: http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists.
assbot: Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTc5Mf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219925 @ 0.00024899 = 54.7591 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/27/lets-do-health-care/
pete_dushenski: wd on the logs today gents!
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073280 << if #b-a ever had a tagline, this'd be it.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach.
mircea_popescu: overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart"
mircea_popescu: which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad.
mircea_popescu: in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days.
mircea_popescu: chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism.
pete_dushenski: i can see that.
mircea_popescu: o hay p
pete_dushenski: hey!
pete_dushenski: the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles
pete_dushenski: so ya, there's "no colour, no gender" etc.
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision
pete_dushenski: if one is to ascribe any purpose to it
pete_dushenski: other than "do this to prove your faith"
mircea_popescu: i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself,
pete_dushenski: right. like not eating delicious pork.
pete_dushenski: prove that you're strong enough to abstain, strong enough to slice nuts, etc.
mircea_popescu: pork's not *that* great.
mircea_popescu: lobster tho. fucking insanity.
pete_dushenski: eh really ? shellfish does't do it for me
pete_dushenski: pulled pork and bacon though... yum!
pete_dushenski: though not "canadian back bacon"
pete_dushenski: that shit's weird.
mircea_popescu: "Ganhava um pouco, e perdia muito. Meu saldo final, depois de muito trabalho e tempo, foi APR de -13.27% aos investimentos atrelados ao dólare e +6,44% em bitcoin."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.0002352 = 8.6318 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern.
pete_dushenski: and not the least bit supported by history
mircea_popescu: gain a little, lose a lot. i made -13% apr on usd, +6.5% in btc.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "Essa frase foi simplesmente perfeita." < you can nao put on your blog lol
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074043 << a trillion ain't what she used to be.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:17:35; asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074075 << jamaicans next door ?
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...
mircea_popescu: not even.
mircea_popescu: i think they just burned like a bale orsomething.
pete_dushenski: maybe their hair ?
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074080 << taleb has his 'black swan horizons universa etf'
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
mircea_popescu: nah nah
mircea_popescu: was some random guy with a secular short fund that keep rolling options
mircea_popescu: had some success... in the 90s.
pete_dushenski: question: what makes a fund 'secular' ?
mircea_popescu: in this case i just meant, long term.
mircea_popescu: it's quant for "forever", which means whatever, over a decade i guess.
mircea_popescu: "secular trend" = "it was a trend before i was in business"
pete_dushenski: aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me
pete_dushenski: turns out, "before i was in business" doesn't actually mean shit anyways!
pete_dushenski: either way, ty.
mircea_popescu: in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine.
pete_dushenski: this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society"
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c21187c5471edd7c3b5aa85b967902fc/tumblr_ndhj805tOr1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsFg89 )
mircea_popescu: ;;google secularisation
gribble: Secularization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularization>; secularisation - definition of secularisation by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/secularisation>; Secularisation Theory: Will Modern Society Reject Religion? What is ...: <http://www.humanreligions.info/secularisation.html>
pete_dushenski: gotcha
mircea_popescu: introducing... the electric rapestation. http://40.media.tumblr.com/624a2dd83f83285420502e29365132e7/tumblr_nix7jyFzTs1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CfUMD7 )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is the new trilema header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ?
mircea_popescu: the ambiguity makes for a good pic neh ?
pete_dushenski: in a "under-bridge stencil" sort of way, i suppose ;)
mircea_popescu: :p
pete_dushenski: bon soir b-a!
cazalla: friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg!
mircea_popescu: is it any good ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: unity engine huh.
mircea_popescu: but i guess for this sort of thing it's actually ideal.
mircea_popescu: More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon
mircea_popescu: ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders.
mircea_popescu: ahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220800 @ 0.00023405 = 51.6782 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196800 @ 0.00022477 = 44.2347 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234568 @ 0.00025274 = 59.2847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265432 @ 0.000262 = 69.5432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 948467 @ 0.00025977 = 246.3833 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 247.18, vol: 7891.78309607 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 244.851, vol: 11191.44133 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.64, vol: 37085.93177561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 250.0, vol: 9.59607962 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 245.52017, vol: 190089.18580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.89158, vol: 13.25006486 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 248.929, vol: 49.522709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 245.712418481
BingoBoingo: !up Asa9t1
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's wrong with unity? this game is preddy good btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 206650 @ 0.00026765 = 55.3099 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215250 @ 0.000265 = 57.0413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194823 @ 0.00026984 = 52.571 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: height=300528 vs height=217406
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 78 @ 0.01409741 = 1.0996 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://iyouport.com/archives/25775&prev=search
assbot: Google Translate ... ( http://bit.ly/1yim7Rb )
jurov: "China was unable to block Github because of the huge cost to its technology industry."
nubbins`: canada was unable to ban marijuana because everybody fuckin smokes it
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. <<< "it isn't hard to get candy. all i do is go to granny's house, since granny keeps candy there for me. i mention that i love candy and wait. i've also used my aunt, left my mouth open, gone into a torpor, only to be awoken later by the gummy bears. some of the hottest food ever.
assbot: Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5RGVI )
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> pork's not *that* great. <<< ah get out
nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> though not "canadian back bacon" <<< you mean ham? :D
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. <<< big spender!
nubbins`: pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/z1q3Uc5.png heehee!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5UodO )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178400 @ 0.00026868 = 47.9325 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: so this truck was seen speeding towards the airport in ukraine earlier today: http://i.imgur.com/tu9LLzF.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCY0Hc )
nubbins`: black ops
mats: lol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109000 @ 0.000265 = 28.885 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: jurov: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30d6h1/a_rbuttcoin_thread_about_changetip_you_should/cprl0nk << what the actual fuck?!?!?
thestringpuller: some people are so dumb.
nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform ado says 1000 @ $15ea, bout the same as other guy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00015665 / 0.00023305 / 0.00027047 (8535021 shares, 1,989.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024306 / 0.00030019 (16754205 shares, 4,072.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00033332 / 0.0004493 (88257024 shares, 29,418.70 BTC)
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf
assbot: A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxec9q )
nubbins` gasps for air
mike_c: that is oddly disturbing
mod6: i like the BTC truck
Adlai: 3way fswap?
nubbins`: !up Chillum
nubbins`: hi
Chillum: thanks
nubbins`: np
nubbins`: !up Uglux
nubbins`: https://www.sparkfun.com/ArduinoDay2015
assbot: Arduino Day 2015 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxeRI9 )
nubbins`: !s cardano entropy
assbot: 8 results for 'cardano entropy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+entropy
nubbins`: !s cardano from:asciilifeform
assbot: 74 results for 'cardano from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+from%3Aasciilifeform
nubbins`: ^ some links to start you out, Chillum
nubbins`: (not the sparkfun one, that was a general share)
Chillum: interesting
nubbins`: also http://trilema.com/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxf1iy )
nubbins`: comments have some dieharder test results
nubbins`: "Sum-up : 73 tests performed. Cardano RNG : Failed 2, Weak 5, Passed 66. Radioactive decay : Failed 9, Weak 13, Passed 51. Now go take your current entropy source, put it through diehard and see what happens. "
Chillum: 5% will not pass by chance in general
Chillum: one must run the same test many times on different data, only if a test is failing reliably or more than likely by chance is there a problem
Chillum: the radioactive decay looks like it has issues but that is likely due to the sampling methodology
Chillum: while the average rate of radioactive decay is predictable the actual moment of a given decay is very uncertain
Chillum: any pattern is likely due to sampling bias or an external source of energy
nubbins`: i think you'll fit in here
nubbins`: say, you in the wot?
nubbins`: !gettrust chillum
assbot: chillum is not registered in WoT.
nubbins`: ^ grab a pgp key and wrap up
Chillum: oh I will fix that
nubbins`: try /msg assbot !register or smth
nubbins`: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
Chillum: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'Chillum', with hostmask 'Chillum!~highinbc@wikipedia/Chillum', is identified as user 'Chillum', with GPG key id FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, key fingerprint 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, and bitcoin address 1CHiLLUm1p2CzQrDPB1Tgs3t3jVbuBH1y3
nubbins`: Chillum assbot's wot split from gribble's a while back
Chillum: oh
nubbins`: you can use your current key, try !register <fingerprint>
Chillum: !register 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key EAC2A55E / "HighInBC/H/Until(1 == 2)/Chillum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chillum)" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
nubbins`: woo
nubbins`: !down Chillum
nubbins`: now /msg assbot !up
nubbins`: then /msg assbot !verify <decrypted otp>
nubbins`: !rate chillum 1 a person
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b58f141837e2e284
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nubbins`: have at 'er
Chillum: got it
nubbins`: welcome
Chillum: good to be a person
Chillum: in the eyes of assbot
nubbins`: tell me about it, hey?
nubbins`: anyway, poor asciilifeform has been testing the cardano boards like a madman lately
nubbins`: in between constructing a pick-n-place in his house
nubbins`: and i think he has a job too 8)
Chillum: how do they interface? Do they have serial out?
Chillum can just google it lol
nubbins`: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
assbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlHY0Q )
nubbins`: careful, you'll run out of credits if you click too many links ;p
Chillum: the major flaw with most HWRNGs is the lack of failure detection
nubbins`: nod
asciilifeform: actually the most glaring flaw with virtually all hardware rng is lack of auditability.
nubbins`: oh here we go, someone qualified can take over
asciilifeform: actually on my way somewhere, so will have to happen later.
nubbins`: :D
Chillum: lol, that zap switch will burn out the EPROM if used for too long
Chillum: they have a limited number of writes
nubbins`: nothin' lasts forever!
Chillum: other than auditability how could one detect a subtle failure?
Chillum: I like that it uses 2 trngs through a xor gate. Often that is implemented in software with two devices
Chillum: asciilifeform: This is what started nubbins` and I on the conversation: http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg
Chillum: it is using the hwrng in a raspberry pi
Chillum: I wrote the code myself, it calls vanitygen pointed to the hwrng
Chillum: well I am using rng-tools to point /dev/hwrng to /dev/random
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.000265 = 17.278 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: Chillum, what is that device in the picture?
danielpbarron: it looks like a newer version of the piper thing
Chillum: It is a raspberry pi connected to a button and a tty receipt printer
Chillum: it was from a kit meant to printer a twitter feed in real time
Chillum: I started with a fresh OS and wrote the bitcoin wallet printer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0002701 = 5.9692 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: woah, that twitter thing sounds cool
Chillum: a cheap offline computer for printer paper wallets
Chillum: danielpbarron: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1289
assbot: Adafruit IoT Pi Printer Project Pack - Includes Raspberry Pi ID: 1289 - $189.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlIZpO )
Chillum: you can get the parts way cheaper
danielpbarron: have you seen this? -> https://piperwallet.com/gallery.php
assbot: Piper: A Bitcoin paper wallet printer. Securely backup & store your digital currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlJ5Of )
Chillum: it is a $40 printer and a $35 Pi, a power supply a button some wires and a case
Chillum: hehe I did not know about that
Chillum: and here I thought I was being clever
danielpbarron: newp
Chillum: looks like the same printer too
danielpbarron: i've had a piper printer for a couple years now i think
danielpbarron: i sorta bricked it
Chillum: Still, I will always write my own paper wallet software that uses vanitygen. You never know if some 3rd party programmed it to only make 500 million keys and has then precomputed
danielpbarron: probably fixable but i wouldn't want to actually send funds to any address it produces anyway
danielpbarron: yeah i was trying to get mine to pull from a list of pre-generated addresses that i supplied
danielpbarron: in addition to modifying the artwork
Chillum: if you limit your generator to a smaller keyspace that you precompute then you don't need a backchannel of communications
Chillum: If you want that then use a deterministic wallet
Chillum: unlimited keys with the advantage of backup.
danielpbarron: meh
Chillum: but really I want mine to forget right away. I have no swap and do everything in RAM
danielpbarron: i liked it for handing out freebies to people i met
Chillum: no temp files, the user running it has read only access to the drive
danielpbarron: but i'm done with that spammy nonsense
nubbins`: freebie handouts
nubbins`: not a great way to make people care, hey?
Chillum: I am pretty sure I am not writing to disk. No flashing green light
Chillum: I did a scan for keystrings and did not find them
Chillum: nubbins`: If I gave out bitcoin samples it would be in the form of a coupon that expires. If you just give out wallets half the people will throw them out
Chillum: have some service that lets them claim it if they are actually interested
danielpbarron: yeah i should have let mine save the private keys
nubbins`: just give em a privkey, and take the money back if it's still there after x days :P
danielpbarron: and told people i'd sweep the funds back after X time
Chillum: nubbins`: what if they add to the key???
danielpbarron: now i'm responsible for some "burned" coins forever bloating the tx pool :<
nubbins`: score
Chillum: lol
danielpbarron: oo, instead of twitter feed, i could make one of these print MPEx stocks
Chillum: Before I was using a perl script that made a png that I printed on my laser printer and deleted. Sooo copy on my hard drive, copy on my printer, copy going over my network to the printer. I said "There has to be a better way"
Chillum: I feel much safer with my offline printer
Chillum: yes, it can do pretty much anything
Chillum: the python library makes it fairly easy to use too
Chillum: text is as simple as printer.println("This is text")
nubbins`: that's heat sensitive paper?
Chillum: ya
nubbins`: hope ya don't store those long-term :D
Chillum: dirt cheap, but don't get the printouts hot
nubbins`: yah
nubbins`: even time will fade em
Chillum: I have a plastic card printer for long term wallets
nubbins`: oh, nice.
Chillum: like ID style
nubbins`: always wanted one
nubbins`: not so much since i turned 19
Chillum: images need to be converted into 2 bit bitmap but there are examples online
Chillum: The EPPSON R280 is what you want
Chillum: out of production but still on ebay
Chillum: you need to replace the DVD tray with a card tray from a Chinese company that also sells the blank cards
Chillum: or ebay
nubbins`: epson printers are great, i've got two wide-format ones
Chillum is jealous
nubbins`: never thought of getting a card tray for one :D
thestringpuller: nubbins` you are a such a candian hipster
Chillum: I want to invest in a wide format printer and a laser cutter. I just have nowhere to put them
nubbins`: Chillum they're like $300! get one
nubbins`: granted, only 13" wide, but who cares?
Chillum: I would need to pay like $500 a month more rent to get a bigger place
Chillum: this city is stupid expensive
nubbins`: then you get a CISS from cobra inks
Chillum: I am trying to find a place with an extra room for a workspace but nothing really available. After the university lets out I may have more like
nubbins`: and start paying $20 per 16oz instead of $1000
Chillum: oh ya, continuous ink is mandatory if you are going to go into commercial production
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/5uggnbK
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlKm7Z )
nubbins`: we have two: one color (pictured), one with 6 black tanks
Chillum: nice, does it have the secondary reservoir so you can keep printing when you switch out the bottles, or is it a fill from the top system?
nubbins`: secondary reservoir. it uses negative pressure
Chillum: that is the way to go
nubbins`: you can see those tanks are split vertically
nubbins`: back (right-side) half is much lower
nubbins`: that's where the printhead draws from
nubbins`: you just gotta swap the rubber stoppers to maintain pressure
Chillum: the printer kit called for soldering but I did the whole thing with pin header wires
nubbins`: this one just clicks into place
nubbins`: fake printhead
Chillum: the one thing I like about thermal paper(as crappy as it is) is that you don't need ink
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: ink cost is pretty minimal here
Chillum: costs 1 cent for each 3.5 wallets by my calculations
nubbins`: nb
Chillum: if the piper is running a raspberry pi then it is far from bricked. Just reimage the sd card with raspbian then plug it into ethernet, nmap for port 22 and login user/password pi/raspbian
Chillum: then you can get the python thermalprinter library and do whatever you like
mats: http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-49.html#.VRSPA_nF8qx
assbot: SEC.gov | SEC Adopts Rules to Facilitate Smaller Companies’ Access to Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkiTz )
mats: pump ze bubble
funkenstein_: ze new rules provide more choices
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/bianca-s-gift-cards-no-longer-accepted-at-bistro-sofia-and-black-sea-1.3011771
assbot: Bianca's gift cards no longer accepted at Bistro Sofia and Black Sea - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSsPpD )
nubbins`: this is what happens when you do people a favor
nubbins`: oh n/m, "I wouldn't say angry, but disappointed for sure."
nubbins`: that's reasonable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00026549 = 6.2921 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: "The debt is up to $1,000 now, so we have to draw the line somewhere." << wtf kind of business is this??
nubbins`: danielpbarron restaurant X goes outta business. X strikes up a deal with Y and Z: if they accept X's gift certs, they'll be reimbursed.
nubbins`: Y and Z start accepting gift certs
nubbins`: X stops reimbursing
nubbins`: given that most of the certs were prob for $50-100, how much of a balance would YOU rack up before you stopped honoring them?
nubbins`: keep in mind that X went out of business because they were broke.
danielpbarron: sounds to me like a pretty cheap ad campaign
nubbins`: also keep in mind last line of article: "March is a graveyard for restaurants."
nubbins`: ad campaign for who?
danielpbarron: the restaurants getting the overflow business
nubbins`: sure, unless the overflow business is paying in worthless scrip.
nubbins`: "this really worked, look at all the funbucks in the register" know what i mean?
danielpbarron: they could be like.. "gift cards good for food, you buy the booze"
nubbins`: or they could be like "paying customers only" :D
Chillum: hmm I wonder if a universal gift card could be created that used bitcoin backing
Chillum: well of course it could be created, would it be embraced
Chillum: call it foodcoin so they are not scared
danielpbarron: you mean a credit/debit card denominated in bitcoin? i'm sure these will exist after the dollar collapses
nubbins`: who'd sell them though?
trinque: danielpbarron: this is how I'd expect everyman transactions to take place
nubbins`: this would be like restaurants selling USD.
trinque: instead of the "btc for latte" situation
Chillum: credit cards started as dining cards
Chillum: it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea
Chillum: through food
trinque: that's also my answer to people who want bitcoin to be visa... build visa *atop* bitcoin
danielpbarron: sell them? you don't get countless credit card applications in the mail?
trinque: nothing's stopping you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyone so inclined, basically.
mircea_popescu: Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card.
Chillum: the restaurants could act as places to buy/sell foodcoin(bitcoin)
danielpbarron: the majority of my snail mail is credit card spam
Chillum: people won't like the changing value though
mircea_popescu: by then, not much room for value to change TO
danielpbarron: that's why i prefaced with "after the dollar collapses"
funkenstein_: they didn't like leaving french francs or old chinese yuan either
mircea_popescu: why do you think usg dollar is stable, zimbabweg dollar is not ?
danielpbarron: things will be priced in satoshi, not bitcoin
mircea_popescu: because of any difference in policy / quality / wealth / value ?
Chillum: it is not stable
mircea_popescu: neah. just... size.
Chillum: it is just commonly used as a reference
funkenstein_: big ships never sink, it's well known
Chillum: lol
mircea_popescu: well so then. once bitcoin is commonly used as reference, there's no change for people not to like
mircea_popescu: as it's not changing
Chillum: yup
felipelalli: felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. << mircea_popescu it would be perfect.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ ships have to interact with the sea. big shits however, mostly interact with people's heads.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli so go for it
funkenstein_: how to sink the shit is the question then
mircea_popescu building hawala on top of hawala since 2011!
mircea_popescu: i dunno funkenstein_, this stinker's a floater >D
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: :)
felipelalli: Have you guys read the article?
Chillum: the rising tide raises all ships, well the ones that don't sink
danielpbarron: felipelalli, i have
funkenstein_: rising tUSD
felipelalli: danielpbarron: makes sense?
danielpbarron: yep
felipelalli: the impact being quite interesting in the Brazilian community.
felipelalli: a lot of people came to congratulate me, but all in pvt. and few people disagreed, but who disagreed did so in public.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli go sign "Hello this is not dog" with the address in question.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez ☟︎
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/
assbot: What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLslL )
danielpbarron: chicken cordon bleu is pretty simple
nubbins`: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-05-22/how-japan-helped-ease-the-rice-crisisbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice
assbot: How Japan Helped Ease the Rice Crisis - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLFoT )
nubbins`: cooking most things is... pretty simple
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much, but I don't need in this moment, and I hope not need soon, or never. Also, the private keys of my btcs isn't so easy to access right now. But if I need it one day for (an investment in my company maybe?), the first place I'll try is here. But I won't, don't worry. I think my loans on btcjam was another excitement test than real need. I thoroughly enjoyed your offer, very grateful for that.
danielpbarron: hard thing is getting the rice just right if you've never done it before; or the steak.. or the eggs
danielpbarron: felipelalli, i gathered from your article that you were more a lender than a borrower
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144850 @ 0.000265 = 38.3853 BTC [-]
felipelalli: danielpbarron: not big lender, I think I was using it like a bet house, just playing it.
felipelalli: the ugly truth!
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/i5zd2hT.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxkFBs )
nubbins`: ^ dat lane change
danielpbarron: felipelalli, have you heard of mpex and bitbet ?
felipelalli: mpex yes, bitbet yes but I don't remember.
felipelalli: ah yes!! I use it.
felipelalli: well, I used in the past*
danielpbarron: so there you go! turns out you didn't even need btcjam
felipelalli: it's fun to play sometimes.
felipelalli: danielpbarron: yes!! :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` actually, pork wellington imo.
mircea_popescu: it's certainly what i use to show girls they can be chefs too!
nubbins`: i've never done anything wellington, but have been threatening to for a while
nubbins`: aaaand i've got a dozen pork tenderloins on hand....
mircea_popescu: it's very simple : boil liver, make dough, sear tenderloin.
mircea_popescu: mix liver with cream, vinegar, allspice into a paste. rub all over tenderloin. place on dough, seal, rub egg yolk over, stick in oven
mircea_popescu: there's literally nothing you can fuck up in there.
felipelalli: The irony: soon after I published my article in the Brazilian community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=m6BTX292
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19pMJt4 )
felipelalli: Making spam in our group.
mircea_popescu: obviously you can trim that. but odds are the girl never had it anyway, so she won't know.
nubbins`: http://np.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/30g1nh/found_this_in_my_sisters_closet_while_helping_her/cps3dik
assbot: Inigo93 comments on Found this in my sister's closet while helping her move. What is this hook looking thing for? ... ( http://bit.ly/19pN4vF )
mircea_popescu: aaahgahaha
mircea_popescu: share the sister.
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: "i'd suggest you put it back and forget about it" haha
felipelalli: ahhahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: !up qntranet
nubbins`: mircea_popescu are you a meat-thermometer type of guy or an "i think it's done now" type of guy
mircea_popescu: "put it back in"
nubbins`: ^^^
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't undercook the meat without undercooking the dough is the beauty of it
BingoBoingo: ^
nubbins`: it looks like the ball is removable. i'd get a larger ball, swap it out, THEN put the hook back where i found it.
mircea_popescu: so you know, if it's all gross don't eat it.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu but the dummies on hell's kitchen ALWAYS fuck up the wellington!
mircea_popescu: i tihnk that must be an insider joke
nubbins`: tbf a gremlin is screaming at them to hurry up
Adlai: BingoBoingo: what's the preferred way to encode qntra articles?
Adlai: in terms of footnotes, links, quotes, etc... html?
nubbins`: so i think they just don't give a fuck if it's done or not
mircea_popescu: nubbins` besides, if you're worried use beef
mircea_popescu: then it literally does not matter.
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: "i've seared it, haven't i ?!"
nubbins`: TBF i just use a meat thermometer :P
mircea_popescu: you can't really do that in a dough seal.
nubbins`: not w/o making a steam vent, hey
nubbins`: yeah, i'mma try this.
nubbins`: i've got regular pork tenderloin down to a science
nubbins`: time to up my game
BingoBoingo: Adlai: footnotes inline surrounded by double paren, html format links, bold, other emphasis, mark your blockquotes somehow
nubbins`: haha man these fat fucks moved in a couple houses down. Domino's pizza delivered to the house every day at noon for the past 10 days.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sauteed mushrooms if you have em
mircea_popescu: thin sliced portobello...
Adlai: so like this((footnote)), for example?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu once the searing is done, i rough-chop an onion and throw that in the cast iron w/ whole baby bella mushrooms
nubbins`: then whole works in oven
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Yeah
mircea_popescu: Adlai no, like this ((footnote))
mircea_popescu: needs the leading space
nubbins`: after you take the pork outta the pan, 1/4 cup red wine to deglaze
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you want them thin slices.
nubbins`: headiest pan sauce ever
mircea_popescu: for wellington i mean
nubbins`: a
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> needs the leading space << This is what editors are for
nubbins`: i do have some huge portobellos here
nubbins` tempted to get a vac sealer for marinating too
nubbins`: plastic bag is meh
mircea_popescu: wine not vinegar.
nubbins`: you know i don't marinate with either?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you ever had pleurotus ?
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: oh, oyster mush. yeah.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: also works well for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: actually... everything works, really, champignon, boletus...
nubbins`: chanterelles grow wild here
nubbins`: should go foraging
mircea_popescu: it's really the world's most tolerant dish, and it seems so damned fancy.
nubbins`: there's maybe two species of mushrooms that i'd feel safe picking outdoors and eating
mircea_popescu: o yeah. or that one how's it called, midget's trumpet
mircea_popescu: brb
mircea_popescu: craterellus cornucopioides
nubbins`: C. Cantharellus and P. Semilanceata 8)
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: dja get the black chanterelle in canada ?
BingoBoingo: Can never go wrong with Morels
nubbins`: hmm i haven't seen em
nubbins`: but that's not to say they don't grow here!
nubbins`: <--city boy
mircea_popescu: should exist, imo it's pretty much everywhere birch grows
nubbins`: we do have birch
mircea_popescu: little dark looking shits, you wouldn't think asnythingof them
nubbins`: i've prolly walked on them :D
mircea_popescu: but they're very tasty and even age well
chetty: << seriously considers tossing out the meatloaf in the oven and starting over
mircea_popescu: what happened to it /
chetty: nothing but now I am drooling for wellington
nubbins`: wrap it in a pancake.
mircea_popescu: haha tomorrow is another day!
nubbins`: anyway back to where this began
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/
assbot: What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxlRET )
nubbins`: Let's say you have a girl coming over for dinner, but you lied to her about taking cooking lessons etc... if you don't know a damn thing about cooking, what's an easy but impressive dish even a moron could make?
nubbins`: look, he thinks that "taking cooking lessons" means you're a CHEF.
nubbins`: just like how taking a first aid course makes you a doctor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00026186 = 40.4836 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: listen, kid, you have bigger problems than what's for dinner.
mircea_popescu: maybe he should lie about dinner too.
nubbins`: namely, that your girl is gonna think you have tumbleweeds in your head regardless of what you serve her
nubbins`: one of the suggestions was "tell her you don't mix business with pleasure" and order take-out
nubbins`: lel, +1.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in my experience, girls, and especially at the age apparent here, couldn't give less of a shit what oyu're saying
mircea_popescu: they're just excited your lips are moving.
mircea_popescu: (if you don't believe me, ask a teenager for a summary of what the boy said on their date. prepare to be amazed - she has nfi.
nubbins`: another guy suggests buying a frozen lasagna and a casserole dish, and faking it
mircea_popescu: then adults derp all over teens for various "Safety consideration".)
nubbins`: "Remember to put all of the packaging in a separate garbage bag, and then dispose of that bag long before she arrives at your place."
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: don't you mean "remember to ask mom if you can use the kitchen"?
mircea_popescu: "mom can I use the kitchen ?" "gtfo you're not having sex in my kitchen"
mircea_popescu: "no mom, i mean use it for cooking"
mircea_popescu: "you can cook ?!"
mircea_popescu: "well... i can't have sex, either! benefit of the suspicion, here!"
mircea_popescu: funny how "i can't cook" means you suck at it, whereas "i can't have sex" means someone's not lettin' you. clearly, i say CLEARLY everyone's great at sex, the impediments can only be evil external stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00026147 = 28.7748 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:49:55; nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text
nubbins`: too troo
nubbins`: anyway, got it done ;/
mircea_popescu: !up CartmanGoon
ben_vulpes: this, ftr, is why i use gmail.
ben_vulpes: the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious.
mircea_popescu: because it sucks but it's free ?
ben_vulpes: nono, they come pre-compromised.
mircea_popescu: ah k
nubbins`: Linuxbrew is a fork of Homebrew, the Mac OS package manager, for Linux.
nubbins`: heh what.
nubbins` struggles to find appropriate analogy
mike_c: Krafp cheese is a fork of kraft cheese designed to have a shorter shelf life but taste better.
mike_c: no? maybe a stretch.
nubbins`: sorry
nubbins`: hm buildroot wants ncurses-devel which for the life of me i can't find
mircea_popescu: krapf cheese
mircea_popescu: ok, that's chuckleworthy
mircea_popescu: so argentina called for a general strike.
mircea_popescu: because in a country that's essentially living off fumes, the smartest thing to do is ask for more money from the government.
mircea_popescu: i ownder what they'll actually do once the government stops paying salaries outright.
mircea_popescu: not like anyone has a real job anyway.
mike_c: i heard a south american joke about argentina the other day
mircea_popescu: somehow tho i imagine anything sane, like begging while crawling naked in the street is right out
mircea_popescu: after all, argentina is the african country with highest self-respect per capita.
mircea_popescu: which ?
mike_c: "how do you make money off an argentine? you buy them for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth"
mircea_popescu: this is so eerily apt.
mike_c: apparently everyone else in south america already knew this about them :)
mircea_popescu: it's like living in california once all the americans died out and were replaced with spanish speaking italian gypsies.
mike_c: hehe. there you go nubbins`, that's how you do an analogy
mircea_popescu: anyway, something tells me i'ma have a load of fun this year an' the next.
mircea_popescu: only reason i'm even putting up with the idiocy, i really wish to see this collapse.
mircea_popescu: but i tell you, i doubt there was ever a country that so effectually turned innocent goodwill into entrenched aversion.
mircea_popescu: except perhaps hungary or soemthing.
mircea_popescu: but as an amusing bit of color : presidential elections six months away. eight people are candidates - none of them has a running mate.
mircea_popescu: because seriously, what argentine could possibly be second ?!
mircea_popescu: the only reason they even like messi in the first place is a sort of schelling effect : if they all agree he's the forward, it's ok for all the other 10 players not to be the forward.
mircea_popescu: if messi weren't there, you'd have 11 forwards in the team. yes goalkeeper included. what goalkeeping ?!
Adlai: BingoBoingo: can i use <pre>?
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Sure
Adlai: (it's not listen in the tags below the comment box)
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Are you submitting an article or a comment?
Adlai: article
Adlai: re: Tomáš Jiřikovský
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah articles get to use more tags than comments do
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: "Today we have taken legal actions against this person and we will charge him for this gossip." lolk
mircea_popescu: is Eva Bartošová hot ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-w1VHQ4q0 kinda not.
assbot: MEDIÁCIA namiesto súdu - Mgr. Eva Bartošová - mediátorka.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu6ExN )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ar collapse << and the americans won't buy it up at firesale like every other turd world collapsatron?
ascii_field: i mean, this is sorta their planetary business model
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
ascii_field: 1) set it on fire 2) wait for fire sale 3) buy 4) ??? 5) profit (tm)
mircea_popescu: atm prices are about 2-300% inflated, easy.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, you can blame the us for anything you wish, but the argentine disaster is 100% argentine made.
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't have it any other way.
ascii_field: y'know, letting idiots set own house on fire is the best arson
mircea_popescu: i'm mildly suprised there's not five million .ar mpexes etc, they seem exactly the right idiots to make glbse shitcascades.
mircea_popescu: "letting" ? cmon.
ascii_field: 'letting' as in 'live and let die'
mircea_popescu: right. anyway, it will have to fall a long looong way before it gets anywhere usians will want to buy.
mircea_popescu: why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ?
mircea_popescu: anyway brb
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? << Argentina, less collapsed than Ohio!!!
ascii_field: the 150k might be a deal
Adlai: BingoBoingo: how's this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fgLwuvLj
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxo2ID )
ascii_field: if mircea_popescu was right about being able to live like a culture man for a few k-usd/yr
ascii_field: (try that in ohio!)
BingoBoingo: Adlai: I can't decrypt that for some reason
Adlai: cazalla: can you?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: A large part of being a culture man is knowing not to live in Ohio
Adlai: it should be viewable by BingoBoingo, cazalla, and me
Adlai: F3251143 for BingoBoingo, 468F4AD0 for cazalla
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: say you had 1M usd. fell down from sky. you could blow 30k in ohio, and live like a pauper on the meagre sub-inflation interest off the rest in american bank. or blow 150k in ar and invest in collapsatron and live like cultured man ? possibly
ascii_field entirely clueless re: ar, it may as well be on alpha centauri to him
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: I'd take Argentina
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Are you using any weird GPG v2 only features?
Adlai: mmmaybe?
BingoBoingo: Perhaps try again just encrypting to my key. No signing.
Adlai: BingoBoingo: how's http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5XQavzhB
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu7WsJ )
BingoBoingo: Oh, that worked much better
Adlai: BingoBoingo: actually please delete "Czech" from the sentence where it appears five bazillion times, once is probably enough
BingoBoingo: Adlai: What word is w|% supposed to be?
BingoBoingo: third word in the piece
Adlai: where does that appear?
mike_c: right after the second word.
Adlai: ah. "who'se"
Adlai: er, who's
Adlai blames hanewin
BingoBoingo: Seems more likely a fancy quote problem
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field Adlai, what is "JiYikovsk aftSi CEN equivalent" supposed to actuall read?
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: where
Adlai: ok, hanewin definitely butchered stuff
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: In Adlai's piece
Adlai: "Czech FINCEN equivalent ((Finančního Analytického Útvaru)) "
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Just email it to me unencrypted.
ascii_field: financial-analytical-directorate ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: I just used the rest of the space in the up message to ping Adlai, because
ascii_field: aha
Adlai: BingoBoingo: sent
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Can you email it and let the text wrap like god intended pls
Adlai: how about i just attach the document so gmail doesn't fuck with it
BingoBoingo: works
ascii_field: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/manual/manual.html << therealbitcoin folks - study it
assbot: The Buildroot user manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9jHO )
mod6 looks
mod6: bro you type fast
BingoBoingo: Adlai: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/
assbot: Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9pPF )
ascii_field: mod6: 'buildroot' is a classical item, i had nothing to do with its authorship
Adlai: "by Bingo Boingo"?
BingoBoingo: dammit, will fx
mod6: ascii_field: i know, im just giving you a hard time :)
Adlai: thx
Adlai dogwalk
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: item 9
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: missing line break
Adlai: BingoBoingo: oh also, the link to gwern's pgp info didn't get through
Adlai: bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? << We don't do that fancy, but at least your name's on it nao
Adlai: sure, thanks, but the links should be there for people who want to check sources. i can email you a link with explicit links
Adlai: s/a link/version/
BingoBoingo: email link version pls
thestringpuller: scoopbot ain't doin it's job again?
cazalla: Adlai, decrypted fine for me
Adlai: blame bingo :P
cazalla: thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P
danielpbarron: i think he got lost in a netsplit
danielpbarron: or its been gone since the 24th .. grep comes out order
nubbins`: i'm stalled out on buildroot
nubbins`: dem missing dependencies
nubbins`: not much info on buildroot w/ darwin host
BingoBoingo: ascii_field> BingoBoingo: missing line break << Historical document line break missing in original, also part of historical document, bad signature
BingoBoingo: Sorry, good signature
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_support_package
assbot: Board support package - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub083 )
mats: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/03/27/breaking-sheep-marketplace-owner-arrested/
assbot: Breaking: Sheep Marketplace Owner Arrested - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub1cf )
mats: another amateur pwned
nubbins`: am i remiss in thinking turdel will fit this def? ^
Adlai: mats: qntra just covered this!
mats: o
Adlai: :P
BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxrnaq )
thestringpuller: cazalla: MP thinks it is.
thestringpuller: !s scoopbot working
assbot: 5 results for 'scoopbot working' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scoopbot+working
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/5N9dLKz.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrsuX )
nubbins`: lel @ 3rd photo on top
nubbins`: my sides.
danielpbarron: they got the same size bewbs
BingoBoingo: That thing where they have the same boobs is incredibly creepy
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/GPQNTok
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrCCx )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: nubbins`: yes, it's a board pkg.
ascii_field: nubbins`: possibly later tonight will post a scriptable set of diffs, portatron-style
nubbins`: oo
ascii_field: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15463 << l0ltr0n1c
assbot: #15463 (Tor deals poorly with a very large number of incoming connection requests.) – Tor Bug Tracker & Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrTFs )
trinque: +cazalla | thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P << tenyks has an rss thing I think
trinque: would be trivial to crap one together
danielpbarron: what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT?
trinque: https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks-contrib/blob/master/src/tenyksfeeds/main.py << there someone rewrite scoopbot in an afternoon
assbot: tenyks-contrib/main.py at master · kyleterry/tenyks-contrib · GitHub
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? <<< right?
nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
nubbins`: bbl
trinque: >wants bitcoin because valuable as demonimated in paper currency
trinque: >deserves whatever happens next
ascii_field: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes << mega-l0l!!
assbot: CA Dem Warns Global Warming Will Make Women Prostitutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxsvLc )
ascii_field: ^ mircea_popescu
trinque: ascii_field: holy shit the video
trinque: it's some rapper guy wit bitches
trinque: to say nothing of california using less water, eh?
chetty: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96482 @ 0.00026549 = 25.615 BTC [+]
trinque: this chinese botnet wants our bitcoin so bad...
trinque: no coin in that box you fucks :D
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuqQ2 )
ascii_field: wat
punkman: I dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46818 @ 0.00026549 = 12.4297 BTC [+]
nubbins`: my kingdom for osx-targeted ncurses-devel!
nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
trinque: oh hey, pogo and sd card are to be delivered today
trinque: amazon uber alles
nubbins`: nb
trinque: got the cheapest shipping too
nubbins`: didja get the purple or blue
funkenstein_: anybody sync a node yet?
nubbins`: still pulling blocks
nubbins`: danielpbarron is in the 300k range on one of his
danielpbarron: i see no reason for it to not fully sync at this point
funkenstein_: i got 280k and counting
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: the version i'm running is not the latest release though
nubbins`: i keep running my battery down to 0% which tends to make me have to rescan everything
funkenstein_: there is no "getpeerinfo"
nubbins` is assuming just deleting blkindex.dat is good enough
BingoBoingo: FU AP Styleguide trying to kill sportswriting https://twitter.com/tschmedding/status/581470736654737409/photo/1
assbot: Whoa. /APStylebook revamps sports, brings from 1950s to 2010s. /hashtag/ACES2015?src=hash http://t.co/W3jPZHneYv
mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
funkenstein_: mod6, thanks good to hear it
mod6: can you do me a favor?
funkenstein_: and you have put some sample TXs through it?
funkenstein_: sure
mod6: do you still have the link to the pastebin stuff you gave me for your ubuntu build?
mod6: i was thinking about including some of that info in the monthly address.
mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
mod6: (i have a recent one, but not on this machine atm)
funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5
assbot: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxw0kR )
nubbins`: mod6 plz to emphasize that osx patch does not come with official nintendo seal of quality
nubbins`: i should also prolly resend that email with a subject so it doesn't get lost. right now it shows up as a reply to some other no-subject post
mod6: here it is funkenstein_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxwlnL )
mod6: shows send/recieve on the 64 bit static binary
mod6: nubbins`: np. i think it's just good to get it in the list for now. later we can take it, massage whatever is needed and get it into a proper patch and test it.
funkenstein_: whee look at that, cooking with gas
nubbins`: k
mod6: yikes that paste expires in 1 day lol. thanks though funkenstein_, I'll save it locally so i've got it.
danielpbarron: https://archive.today/http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5
assbot: http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F21ePe )
funkenstein_: if it was useful i could test on fedora
mod6: so it turns out that debian didn't need the -nodnsseed flag, but gentoo did just like you ran into with ubuntu, i wanna make a comment on that in the address perhaps.
funkenstein_: hmm i didn't get my debian box to build
mod6: oh thanks danielpbarron
mod6: what debian? (we test on deb6)
funkenstein_: debian8
mod6: ah. ok. well, maybe I can give it a shot at some point. or help you out with it.
funkenstein_: but likely the issue is my build environment
funkenstein_: i'm not going to run it there anyway, it was just for test
mod6: well, thanks for testing anyway. appreciate it!
nubbins`: re: fedora, why not!
funkenstein_: i'll give it a go :)
funkenstein_: speaking of testing i have an escrow site I've been trying to make usable
funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org
nubbins`: hmm initial scan from test machine shows malware behind that link
nubbins`: nah, i'm just kidding.
funkenstein_: nah I add that in later nubbins ;)
thestringpuller: nubbins` is always joking about dead bodies and cocaine in trunk of car as we cross border
thestringpuller: says, "But it was funny."
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
funkenstein_: hmm builds proceeding. funny thing is i never got any coins to build on fedora20x64
nubbins`: what do you mean
nubbins`: oh, sorry
nubbins`: parse error
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight
nubbins` raises hand
funkenstein_: the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/
assbot: xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1F23wxR )
nubbins`: like you said, what's a wallet without rng
ascii_field: the jurist term is 'attractive nuisance' iirc.
BingoBoingo: Seems prudent to excise it
ascii_field: like a power saw left unwatched for children to play with
BingoBoingo: Nah, the powersaw is safer and people tend to learn from that
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: tell that to beavis >> http://s965.photobucket.com/user/TimeCaptured/media/saw1.png.html
mike_c: but, now a separate pogo branch must be maintained?
ascii_field would maintain it
mike_c: does the -disablewallet config switch exist in this version? that would be easier way to prevent children from playing with matches
ascii_field: mike_c: would like to cut some footprint
mike_c: i thought it was like 5.5mb.
ascii_field: mike_c: the buildroot i have is theoretically retargetable to multiple cpu archs and boards with minimal effort
ascii_field: mike_c: i have several candidates for replacement of 'pogo' if something 'happens to' our supply.
punkman: we don't really want wallet code in regular bitcoind anyway
ascii_field: ^
mike_c: yeah, fine, but that's different from starting a pogo branch. if it gets cut from master branch, problem solved (if there is a problem?)
mike_c: ascii_field: you saying that cutting it makes it more portable? or just easier to fit on smaller arch.
ascii_field: mike_c: would like to fit on boards with 8M rom
ascii_field: but more general principle
mike_c: ok, so cut it later when we have a 8m device we want to fit it on.
ascii_field: smaller -> more auditable.
nubbins`: hmm
ascii_field: but i will leave this for the folks whose project it actually is, to decide
punkman: maybe add my mining-snip patch too
nubbins`: suppose instead of -disablewallet, flip the bit and make it -enablewallet?
ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
nubbins`: short-term
ascii_field: or i suppose you could...
nubbins`: make wallet=off the default while we decide when to trim
nubbins`: in a perfect world, remove_wallet.patch
nubbins`: included as an "extra" in -RELEASE.tar.gz
mike_c: short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet and miner and then it will be smaller around the same time we want to fit it on a 8m device.
nubbins`: (/me imagines makefile.osx in same "extra"
mike_c: serendipity will prevail
mike_c: of course, i use 'we' loosely since all i've done is buy a pogo and wait.
nubbins`: ^ +1
nubbins`: 8)
Adlai: ascii_field: mining only needs an output script for the coinbase
nubbins`: what's the endian-ness of the pogo's arm, big?
ascii_field: Adlai: yes i remembered
ascii_field: nubbins`: selectable
ascii_field: nubbins`: little-endian by default
nubbins`: i'll stick with that
ascii_field: (most recent embedded system-on-chip are selectably-endian)
nubbins`: you have a buildroot .config you can pop up somewhere?
ascii_field: nubbins`: it's a mega-turd. not just one config, but four, and they have to be packaged in a certain way
ascii_field: ideally will wrap this up tonight
nubbins`: lovely
ascii_field: i want folks building their own pogo runtimes soon.
nubbins`: finally got buildroot nut cracked here
nubbins`: s/make menuconfig/make nconfig
ascii_field: so that i can, perhaps, escape the chore of figuring out why sata refuses to init
ascii_field: and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: all else - works
ascii_field: (hardware-wise)
ascii_field: did cut a bunch of irrelevant crud from the kernel (keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc)
nubbins`: i'll take a peek at the light and button stuff, seems straight-forward
ascii_field: nubbins`: like sata, it mysteriously fails to work
ascii_field: that is, i have the marvell config flags set
ascii_field: but no devices appear for them
ascii_field: anyone who is planning to screw with the kernel, -must- have tftp set up
ascii_field: otherwise the debug loop is unbearably tedious
ascii_field: i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel.
trinque: flight 9525 seems a great way to argue "see, this is why we need to be able to remote-control planes"
ascii_field: trinque: the remotes -were put in-, by and large across the board, in '01-03
trinque: ascii_field: saw the link re: boeing I think it was
ascii_field: trinque: how well they work, and when they are used, and who orders it - i do not know.
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> anybody sync a node yet? << a few, yeah
trinque: ascii_field: got any search terms which will conjure that link from the logs?
ascii_field: trinque: not from memory, no
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: someone did suggest a good reason why not - the chore of maintaining two branches
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project.
assbot: xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nkay4G )
ben_vulpes: oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171606 @ 0.00026574 = 45.6026 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?
mike_c: didn't you just say you would?
ben_vulpes: "pogo variant"
mike_c: oh. i thought somebody said it was on your todo list.
ben_vulpes: but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's down at 12
ben_vulpes: 'cause needs discussion.
ben_vulpes: on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?
ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
mike_c: uh, run a pogo
ben_vulpes: cant' use a pogo to send btc
mike_c: right. that's what one is going to do with a wallet.
Chillum: I am about to see if a Raspberry Pi 2 can run a full node. The Pi 1 starts to crap out around mid 2014
Chillum: compiling now
mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
ben_vulpes: mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.
ben_vulpes: yeah, "could".
ben_vulpes: someday.
ascii_field: suggestion - we #ifdef it.
mike_c: (and double the test matrix)
ascii_field: much as i despise #ifdef
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039405 << there's the one, 777 boeing hax keywords yay ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:35:11; asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies !
mike_c: thing is, one could clone the code, rip out most of the stuff that wasn't the wallet, and voila, new binary that is a wallet.
ascii_field: mike_c: not quite
mike_c: it would be a bad wallet, but it would be a start
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: that, and remove the 'attractive nuisance'
ben_vulpes: the latter i don't care too much about.
mike_c: to be clear, ben_vulpes, this is for future unspecified project to create node out of smaller device than pogo
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: fuck it, ship it.
mike_c: that's what i said :)
ben_vulpes: "overengineering is like cocaine"
funkenstein_: you could make an SPV node with no wallet
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: what.
funkenstein_: it would be pretty useless but you could make it small :)
ascii_field: self-propelled vehicle?
ben_vulpes: "simple payment verification"
ascii_field: waat
ben_vulpes: is that the headers-only thing?
ben_vulpes: bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_
ascii_field: fuck it up its arse with a reciprocating saw
ascii_field: !s fucksaw
assbot: 0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw
ascii_field: waaaat
ascii_field: ;;google fucksaw
gribble: America's Greatest University Demonstrates 'Fucksaw' For ... - Gawker: <http://gawker.com/5774501/americas-greatest-university-demonstrates-fucksaw-for-captivated-students>; Amazon.com: Fuck Saw Adapter: Health & Personal Care: <http://www.amazon.com/Rupert-Huse-Son-Inc-Adapter/dp/B00DF55CJQ>; JT's Stockroom - Fuck Saw: <http://www.stockroom.com/Fuck-Saw-P2931.aspx>
ben_vulpes: anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.
ben_vulpes: rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first
ben_vulpes: pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if you or anyone else has spare time - i recommend taking a look at the bastard blocks thing
ben_vulpes: bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.
funkenstein_: mod6: build error on a fedora box: dpaste.com/28E8Z9X
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: getting them running... << have you tried 'turdel' demo ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail.
ascii_field: Aha
funkenstein_: what are bastard blocks?
ben_vulpes: blocks with no chain ancestry.
ben_vulpes: they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.
ben_vulpes: naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain
ben_vulpes: (if i read the cee pee pee correctly)
ben_vulpes: anyways, i must off.
funkenstein_: thanks, i will read up
ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html << reading material
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL )
danielpbarron: i have to periodically restart bitcoind on my pogos
danielpbarron: because of the bastards
funkenstein_: so these have been requested from other nodes the we aren't ready for them yet?
funkenstein_: *but we aren't ready for them yet?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines
danielpbarron: i do the restarts manually, as i keep an eye on them nearly all day; i use the restart as an opportunity to back up the block database of the solid state pogo
funkenstein_: i set a script with bitcoind stop, sleep, and restart, and put it in crontab
danielpbarron: that'll probably be the shipped sollution
funkenstein_: has anyone tried btcd the go node?
trinque: felipelalli: ^ thanks for alerting me
trinque: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: no worries!
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074727 <<< my money is on her never to return here ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 16:59:53; mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez
mike_c: did she ragequit?
cazalla: mike_c, not that i know of
cazalla: but now that es.qntra.net was put together for her, she's absent
mike_c: hehe. always a good way to make someone leave. "here's some work"
BingoBoingo: ;;seen brendafdez
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
cazalla: maybe i'm too quick to pull the trigger on that one, but we'll see
BingoBoingo: Maybe the CIA got her to prevent Qntra influence in Latin America
Chillum: damn compiling bitcoind on the pi2 takes hours
Chillum: bitcoin-0.10.0 that is
trinque: pogo plug...er.. plugged.
trinque: I'll turdel it this evening
danielpbarron: i think he'll come back
danielpbarron: we are facebook friendz
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
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trinque: danielpbarron: got a link to the pogo instructions?
trinque: found
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 701 @ 0.03 = 21.03 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla mine too.
danielpbarron: heh i was just updating that, trinque. -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ?
danielpbarron: i added tftp instructions
mircea_popescu: better than turning them into congresswhomen
trinque: danielpbarron: thanks!
trinque: I should've ordered the usb->serial guy too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see problem with wallet snip either.
danielpbarron: as long as you don't mess it up, it should be possible to do it without the serial connection
trinque: danielpbarron: https url to enable ssh doesn't work
danielpbarron: on what?
danielpbarron: my site?
trinque: when replaced with http it farts out html saying use https
trinque: nah the pogo
Chillum: yay I got bitcoind running
danielpbarron: did you put your ip address in there?
trinque: heh yes I did
trinque: and got html back with http://
ben_vulpes: Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?
Chillum: is that not the latest version?
danielpbarron: what do you mean "doesn't work" ? trinque
trinque: danielpbarron: connection refused when hitting the enable ssh URL via https
trinque: only ports 80 and 3333 are open on the thing
trinque: not 443
danielpbarron: curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";
danielpbarron: you're doing this ? ^
trinque: yeah with my 10.0.0.somethin
mircea_popescu: Chillum it may be the latest verion on a meanwhile abandoned bitcoin fork pushed by very dubious characters.
danielpbarron: trinque, what does your pogo look like?
trinque: it's the pink logo one
trinque: I'll check the hardware rev
danielpbarron: it looks like this? -> http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/12/13/Pogoplug_Series_4_35099306_04_1_610x458.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxH5SU )
trinque: POGO-V4-A3-01
trinque: yup
danielpbarron: also a demonstration of where the sata drive goes, for those who haven't seen yet
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075019 << have the paycoins reached whatever yet ?
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 19:21:45; BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
Chillum: mircea_popescu: what would you recommend?
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin foundation releases.
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ <
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur )
trinque: danielpbarron: do I have to "activate" this thing before that url becomes available?
Chillum: looks legit...
danielpbarron: trinque, no; that url is supposed to let you bypass having to activate
ben_vulpes: Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?
danielpbarron: i wonder if they are shipping a different version or something
danielpbarron: i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on
Chillum: I prefer all flash websites
trinque: hm, well hardware rev's in the logs
Chillum: (kidding)
trinque: I'll see what the software rev is on th inside
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075044 << this entire "explained income" bs is bs.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 19:45:12; nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case.
ben_vulpes: in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075058 << 19yo virgin angry at school because it could not possibly be his fault he's not getting any ?
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:13:48; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg
trinque: danielpbarron: in messing with cables, my router came up after the pogo
trinque: pogo was mad about this for some reason, yet got an IP
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda why we don't want the states to survive, innit.
trinque: rebooted the pogo, light on the front went green, and the curl worked
danielpbarron: lol
trinque: might be good in the docs to say "make sure light's green, idiot"
trinque: :D
trinque: otherwise reboot it
danielpbarron: okie doke
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075064 << so far being on apple is such a blessing for nubsy
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:18:47; nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS
ben_vulpes: !raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know they fucked ben affleck.
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I
assbot: The Whitest Kids U' Know - Pledge of Allegiance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxI6KI )
mircea_popescu: i mean mutt damon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.0002614 = 33.9297 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: matt derpin
jurov: soo.. i have mixed sheepmarketplace and bitcash.cz
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075082 << confirmed.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:39:24; mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
mircea_popescu: jurov mixed ?
jurov: mixed up
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075089 << i've never used anything in the 7 branch or later. nor do i intend to ever do.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:41:19; mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
jurov: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/ vs http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/
assbot: Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBb )
assbot: Czech Ministry Fingers Heist Suspect | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBf )
jurov: it's the same incident
trinque: the PogoPlug is meant to share files on a cloud or something << ehhehehe
mircea_popescu: jurov oh it is ? send an update/errata/we wouldja
jurov: only errata needed it's about sheep marketplace, not bitcash
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075117 << the problem with automated escrow is that well... it doesn't actually work too well as a principle. you need a human in the loop, basically.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:53:53; funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org
mircea_popescu: kinda why "multisig" stuff isn't taking off, in spite of all the power ranger effort dedicated at pushing that particular mudball uphill.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? << Apparently only for a select few who have beta-invites to an "independent online market" where they can buy goods in the thing. Totally not just a last hail mary to get anyone consider offering the slightest bit of buying support.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075157 << you can't mine w/o wallet.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:21:14; ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ?
mircea_popescu: except no girls ther ?
mircea_popescu: sounds like these people should run a small soviet republic in central asia.
mircea_popescu: they got all the right mental furniture for it.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075218 << one is going to use pogo as god meant it, proxy for walleted bitcoind.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:47:49; ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? << Pretty much. Apparently some of the most loyal of shills have been selected. There's allegations I can't evidence that the stuff is being shipped from amazon as a gift from Homero J Garza.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075224 << even a stock bitcoind, hobbled to ONLY talk to your local pogo.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:49:57; mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shills getting payola is so common there's actually provisions in most criminal codes for it.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the guy is appearingly going through the book and breaking literally everything.
mircea_popescu: even conventions that outstretch the fucking treaty of paris.
BingoBoingo: Yup, but somehow Preet hasn't to my knowledge seen fit to reel in Gibson to share Shaver's chair
mircea_popescu: "so what if it's been in the code since westphalia ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: speaking of history : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/strategic/treaty_of_westphalia.html << westphalia likbez.
assbot: The Treaty of Westphalia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BuEov0 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You want to do a Garza violates Westphalia piece for qntra?
mircea_popescu: doubt he's worth the attention.
mircea_popescu: maybe once he's arguing in court or somethign
mircea_popescu: (but alf may appreciate article I : "A Christian general and permanent peace, and true and honest friendship, must rule between the Holy Imperial Majesty and the Holy All-Christian Majesty"
mircea_popescu: who thought the all-russia thing is original ? no such thing as originality. the new czars wanted to be better caesars than the previous czars is all.)
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ? << the lulzy part was the bureaucrat, not whoring in the abstract
asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on << afaik the backdoor works on all released pogov4
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? <ben_vulpes> in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. << aha. sit on the stake until explained, yes. ☟︎
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... you can't mine w/o wallet << wallet doesn't need to be local
asciilifeform: (can be on separate machine)
mircea_popescu: kinda contorted but i guess
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... westphalia likbez << even where i went to school it was taught, as a foundational gadget of the (pre-ww1) civilized world...
mircea_popescu: in a sense.
asciilifeform: (amerikan school! palmer & colton was the quick'n'dirty book, plus period sources)
mircea_popescu: (this to note that the given link is merely a perspective, and not divine truth. the treatment of fouquet is particularly ignorant, for instance - while the man was rich it is not clear he stole anything, and his disgrace has nothing to do with the minister and everything to do with the king, who visited once and was displeased at the luxurious manner in which he was received.)
asciilifeform went to a slightly odd school, not entirely representative of usa
mircea_popescu: you actually went to school there ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: from 3rd grade up, even
mircea_popescu: ic
asciilifeform: (not secret)
asciilifeform: last 4 years was in a kind of quasi-public one where you get in by exam (these still exist)
trinque: I went to one of those
trinque: "magnet school"
asciilifeform: not mircea_popescuing gymnasium by any measure, but considerably less lame than the off the shelf fare
mircea_popescu: it doesn't sound all that bad.
mircea_popescu: "Northwestern University simply cannot stop being awesome. From getting drunk and hollering about blowjobs to throwing blackface Halloween parties to producing a little rapper by the name of Chet Haze, Northwestern University never does anything less than the most awesome thing to do in any given situation. That's why regular schools have "Human Sexuality" classes, but Northwestern University has HOT LIVE FUCKSAW demon
mircea_popescu: strations:
mircea_popescu: The optional presentation last Monday, attended by about 120 students, featured a naked non-student woman being repeatedly sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm by the sex toy, referred to as a "fucksaw." The device is essentially a motorized phallus.
mircea_popescu: John Michael Bailey, the psychology professor who leads the class in question, declined to comment to the Daily Northwestern "due to class preparations that he said last until Friday." He then hastily grabbed his fucksaw, retreated to his lair, and locked the door."
asciilifeform: theoretically qualified the kids for admission to eu unis
asciilifeform did not uses this
asciilifeform: *use
mircea_popescu approves of northwestern.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bailey is infamous for an epic grudgewank centered around his book, 'the man who would be queen'
asciilifeform: a treatise on transsexualism
mircea_popescu: because he correctly identifies the "transsexual" delusion as malignant narcissism ?
asciilifeform: as for the fucksaw, it was, iirc, made from a genuine reciprocating saw!
asciilifeform: brilliant concept, cheap & effective.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha how'd you know.
asciilifeform: a real ripper of a book, too
mircea_popescu: mywah.
asciilifeform: mega-recommended.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. <<< emery famously listed "marijuana seed dealer" on his income tax returns for years. ended up remitting ~$2mn in total
asciilifeform: ^ in total << before picked up ?
asciilifeform: or what, quit on his own ?
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM <<< a node's a node, smarty-pantses!
asciilifeform: and i'll add that the real 'explaining' happens after they take your money, all at once
asciilifeform: 'tell us why you should see this dough again?'
asciilifeform: 'or you'll what, sue? with what?'
trinque: got stock debian on my pogo
trinque: this is where I ended up due to the "..." in the uboot section of instructions
asciilifeform: trinque: tried turdel ?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? except no girls ther ? << ;;google itchy & scratchy bucks
trinque: asciilifeform: put debian on the sd card in a partition, I assume I can flash the nand from there?
trinque: and then add a uboot entry for it?
asciilifeform: trinque: if you replace whatever kernel you have now, on whatever kind of drive, with it - it will boot
asciilifeform: carries own rootfs
trinque: ah neat
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> ^ in total << before picked up ? <<< before picked up.
asciilifeform: trinque: don't flash turdel into your nand
asciilifeform: it'll be difficult to replace it
trinque: k
nubbins`: as in, legitimately paid $2mn in taxes on marijuana seed sales over about a decade
asciilifeform: i didn't build mtd utils in there
nubbins`: which the government received, processed each year
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll keep the debian around and add this as a boot entry
asciilifeform: it's a turdel not a kernel for good reason
asciilifeform: (for one thing, source not posted yet)
trinque: heh
asciilifeform: deliberately self-contained. you don't need to add cmd params to it
asciilifeform: or have a root partition
nubbins`: trinque tftp -> mmc -> usb -> sata is an ok setup
nubbins`: for boot order
nubbins`: if you follow vanilla "hack the pogo" instructions, you can keep the original setup in the loop too
asciilifeform: ^ until we overwrite it
nubbins`: ^
trinque: yeah supposedly I still have their magic cloud distro on here
asciilifeform: the real battlefield build will write over the nand
trinque: as per http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0HHA2 )
asciilifeform: though theoretically we will be using only a tenth or so of the room
nubbins`: you planning to do a single-item boot list, or keep option for tftp/etc?
nubbins`: trinque +1, that's the guide i've been following
nubbins`: right now my pogo will try tftp, then boot debian from sd card, or original pogo if none present
asciilifeform: if screwing with uboot, leave at least 1sec in the boot delay timer
trinque: nubbins`: yeah that sounds good to me
asciilifeform: saves much headache if you want to turn the knobs again from serial console because b0rk3d boot media
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' << in which vein, mp has never explained any such thing, to anyone, ever, nor does he mean to start.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not a prisoner
asciilifeform: in usgbankschwitz
mircea_popescu: "i
mircea_popescu: "i'll not as much sue as send your daughter to dance for soros. how about that."