mircea_popescu: back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then.
mircea_popescu: suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them.
mircea_popescu: they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them.
mircea_popescu: now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space.
mircea_popescu: BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you,
mircea_popescu: while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere
mod6: huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (
http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb.
mircea_popescu: so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me.
mircea_popescu: the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women.
mircea_popescu: NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you.
mircea_popescu: imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen.
mircea_popescu: as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
mircea_popescu: people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs.
mircea_popescu: the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used".
mircea_popescu: air superiority not useful in air engagement, but in political engagement sort of bs.
mircea_popescu: if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about.
mircea_popescu: this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting.
mircea_popescu: sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento.
mircea_popescu: right, but none of which are what an army is actually for.
mircea_popescu: the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it.
mircea_popescu: if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments.
mircea_popescu: because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ?
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge"
mircea_popescu: it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this.
mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret.
mircea_popescu: swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all.
mircea_popescu: this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security.
mircea_popescu: but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality"
mircea_popescu: they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station.
mircea_popescu: cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after.
mircea_popescu: there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev.
trinque: isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care?
trinque: mircea_popescu: right, but I recall joe stack day
trinque: and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not
mircea_popescu: trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him.
trinque: maybe the ratio's irrelevant
mircea_popescu: i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ?
mircea_popescu: there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job.
mircea_popescu: let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ?
mircea_popescu: familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ?
mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ?
trinque: seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him"
trinque: because he's not one of "those people"
mircea_popescu: trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband.
mircea_popescu: for a government to survive, it must actually have support.
trinque: mircea_popescu: there are militia groups around calling themselves "three percenters"
mircea_popescu: the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help.
mircea_popescu: if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania.
mircea_popescu: very short story here : ceausescu made old style, stalinist-like show of how supported he is
mircea_popescu: trying to finesse himself into a senior adviser role for gorby
mircea_popescu: but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and i can send them pizza, and they have to wonder how i know.
mircea_popescu: and they go to work... and there it is. MICROSOFT BOOTING NAO.
mircea_popescu: part of a system is part of a system is part of a system.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona.
nubbins`: what's the LED gonna do for two weeks while the thing downloads and indexes blocks? 8)
trinque: not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by *any* paying interest relevant here?
nubbins`: but that's what a bricked pogo does as well
trinque: seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought
nubbins`: i'm just musing about indications of progress
nubbins`: a blink isn't communicating much
trinque: what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely
trinque: not sure what happens after that
mircea_popescu: so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if
mircea_popescu: the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ?
mircea_popescu: trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability.
mircea_popescu: note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above.
jurov: ;;later tell nubbins` key added
mircea_popescu: the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently...
nubbins`: ehh they used the robot because enough of the cops were scared enough
nubbins`: there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago
mircea_popescu: we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops.
nubbins`: cops, having dealt with (and been embarassed by) the guy in the past, descend
nubbins`: he barricades self, cops bring out robot.
mircea_popescu: just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM!
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jurov: nubbins`: gpg: invalid dash escaped line: -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat $(DEBUGFLAGS) $(DEFS) $(INCLUDEPATHS)\n
jurov: gpg: BAD signature from "Jonathan E. Keefe <jonkeefe@gmail.com>" [unknown]
nubbins`: he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!)
nubbins`: guy escapes out window during a shift change and hitchhikes back to town undetected.
nubbins`: picked up buying smokes 3 hours later.
jurov: looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it
nubbins`: jurov gmail but same fate regardless. sec
nubbins`: anyway the guy then fires like 5 public defenders, goes on to represent himself
nubbins`: makes the province spend countless tens of thousands
nubbins`: i think they're making a movie about him now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown.
mircea_popescu: that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game.
jurov: nubbins`: a) send to yourself, check. b) leave text aempty and attach known good clearsigned stuff as .txt
mircea_popescu: or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ?
mircea_popescu: these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair
nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not because she went to a club and got herself stiff drunk to be fucked.
jurov: nubbins`: yup, there
jurov: no shares for ya, sadly
mircea_popescu: jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss
nubbins`: w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D
nubbins`: noway dude, do you even log? no monsanto in twodogland
nubbins`: wow i really ran with that hey
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 13:22:53; mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ?
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2014 20:36:16; dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs?
nubbins`: "why is this bird made out of KFC?"
nubbins`: mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together
nubbins`: why are all these people spamming the blockchain with bitcoin transactions?
jurov: myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such
mircea_popescu: also coca-cola sues diageo over patent-infringing side effects.
nubbins`: two dogs is a pamphlet at best
mircea_popescu: you know that accent mobsters / kids in poor neighbourhood have in 30s, 40s and some 50s movies ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'
mircea_popescu: "those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla"
mircea_popescu: a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original.
mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp.
mircea_popescu: maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point a decent argument will be constructable that you "led" some idiot to his death, too. because you know, used cardano after toasting it in pizza oven.
mircea_popescu: heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis
nubbins`: "doc, you can't write everything in bold. bold is for important st..." "GOD DAMMIT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT"
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest
mircea_popescu: "this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings"
mircea_popescu: sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway.
mircea_popescu: an old man is not going to be a subsistence prostitute. ever.
mircea_popescu: this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:22:12; nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit!
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assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards
mircea_popescu: i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us.
mircea_popescu: and for all the "no lizard interest" high horse : take the cisco collapse.
mircea_popescu: the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden.
nubbins`: yfw you realize what yfw means
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:25:05; asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:31:31; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ?
mircea_popescu: to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true"
TomServo: unfortunately due to poor ebay skills my cp2102 arrive... 'sometime' in april
TomServo: there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open?
mircea_popescu: TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual
mircea_popescu: prolly stuff in his manual as is closest to what you want
decimation: re: snowden etc. < I think it's hilarious that folks see conspiracy when redditard volunteer would do
mircea_popescu: decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing.
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere
mircea_popescu: THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia.
mircea_popescu: and most of that is guardian rewriting what he actually said.
decimation: re: greewald being on usg payroll < is also hilarious
mircea_popescu: (now, that guardian has all through had a very strong "dope it" agenda is true, and quite visible
decimation: the man has the operational acumen of a wet noodle
mircea_popescu: decimation one being inept is almost a requirement for usg payroll.
decimation: mircea_popescu: snowden does discredit 'crowdsourcing'
mircea_popescu: decimation not sure if discredit per se, but it does illustrate its (long suspected) limitations.
mircea_popescu: maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo.
decimation: usg has a small number of non-inept employees
mircea_popescu: yeah, because everyone likes to say "present company excluded".
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mircea_popescu: decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ?
decimation: he was 'promoted' to a 'non-in-charge-of-life-and-death decisions' post
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decimation: re: costs < yes, usg is cost constrained, but note that nearly all of it is 'self-imposed damage'
mircea_popescu: well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus"
decimation: usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world
decimation: but the cactus seemed like a better option
decimation: note that snowden saw himself as far less inept than his colleages, and he was probably right
mircea_popescu: wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game.
mircea_popescu: us sec could register its wot key with mpex, us fed could announce plans for bitcoin-convertibility of usg,
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description.
decimation: ^ writing about winning the swedish lottery
decimation: someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person
mircea_popescu: lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth.
decimation: "Overall, our findings suggest that correlations observed in affluent, developed countries between (i) wealth and health or (ii) parental income and children’s outcomes do not reflect a causal effect of wealth."
decimation: it turns out that a poor bum who wins alot of money is still just a poor bum
mircea_popescu: lottery is just a very bad model for this sort of research
mircea_popescu: but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery
mircea_popescu: this bias is, incidentally, why "stifling science" is such a suspect cry de guerre. one never nows if it's genuine science being supressed,
mircea_popescu: or just some of these clock punchers didn't get money for their mortgage.
decimation: possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise
mircea_popescu: decimation and who's paying for the divergence from thermodynamics ?
mircea_popescu: of course not! lottery is an entropic result! thinkaboutit!!11
mircea_popescu: NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts
decimation: at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc s tried to teach greenwald gpg and he couldnt figure it out
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like,
mircea_popescu: but i suspect it comes with three different types of cherenkov effect
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, i am VERY suspect of people who claim to "not be able to figure it out".
nubbins`: mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp
decimation: note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it
nubbins`: $5 says they get someone else to install it for em
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nubbins`: an invoice for a thousand pogos?
mircea_popescu: i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels
nubbins`: i've got a, uh. turdel and a pogo
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:19:18; jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes*
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him
mircea_popescu: i know because angry/stupid .ro folk with delusions of self importance tried this sort of thing (on like 3 different occasions) against me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "let's get google convinced this guy is a spammer"
mircea_popescu: it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e.
mircea_popescu: notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around".
decimation: re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks
mircea_popescu: heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!"
decimation: all of which happen with or without their help
mircea_popescu: for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides.
trinque: I joked just last night that #b-a RPG was a meta-NSA recruitment program
trinque: mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms
decimation: lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint
mircea_popescu: trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first
trinque: my mother will be so proud
mircea_popescu: so i want to announce this... umm... florist stand that s.mg will be producing.
mircea_popescu: brick and mortar store and TOTALLY not a recruitment front.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions
assbot: Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-)
mircea_popescu: (The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: “I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the ‘80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government.”
mircea_popescu: An even more apocalyptic promise says: “On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.”)
TomServo: danielpbarron: aye, thanks - i'm disecting now
decimation: asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation'
mircea_popescu: srsly, i suspect you ended up intoxicated from 2nd hand material.
mircea_popescu: the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct.
decimation: asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information?
mircea_popescu: if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own
mircea_popescu: if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1"
mircea_popescu: srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded.
mircea_popescu: such perfect italian opportunity to conquer galia again.
decimation: some derpy youth takes matters beyond him into his own hands, fails to do much of use
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:02:33; asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.
mircea_popescu: so you're saying this particular zoom quantity has a quality all of its own ?
mircea_popescu: well... my twitter account got abandoned once and banned once.
mircea_popescu: reddit thinks it a great success (the 2nd, not the 1st)
mircea_popescu: he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these.
mircea_popescu: but wouldn't you say that describing that legalese boilerplate as "jew baiting" in 2000 would offer sufficient explanation of why he can't get his shit published in 2012 or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ?
mircea_popescu: understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access.
mircea_popescu: the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results)
decimation: one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others
nubbins`: root@debian:/# tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today
decimation: it seems from the wapo article about the anti-al-quaeda chap that he ran the 'meta-cia'
mircea_popescu: so alf, guy was in zh two years ago. it never caught. also supression ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00024431 = 18.1522 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:31:49; nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0
decimation: how could anyone inside usg accomplish anything at all without creating a meta-something
decimation: as if including the diversity-based hiring quotees could enhance the outcome?
decimation: which is what happens in any large organization
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the skunkworks without the management ?
mircea_popescu: afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:55:07; asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought it didn't have an rtc
mircea_popescu: fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool.
decimation: why not an init with the auto-kill while loop
decimation: I mean init is literally just a while loop
decimation: not with a well configured dhcp/firewall
decimation: the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean?
decimation: gulz at your party gonna configure their services
decimation: this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists
decimation: is that the bot they sent after the boston bombers
decimation: it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm'
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 20:44:33; asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?
decimation: although it is a large barrel for a laser
decimation: usians have been brainwashed too long to be turned into north kr-ites
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166947 @ 0.00024425 = 40.7768 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: weirdly the dec 19 SPY put option with the most open interest is 135
mircea_popescu: decimation bear in mind that this sort of thing is seen often enough.
mircea_popescu: it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time.
decimation: mircea_popescu: apparently so. I'm trying to find a way to hedge my mostly long position on us equities
mircea_popescu: options are rarely the way to go for something like that.
decimation: well these days bonds and stocks trade as one
decimation: because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false'
nubbins`: still working on cross-compile toolchain for darwin->arm
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc
decimation: not that this would be of any use to the target audience
nubbins`: spent much time in a foreign country?
decimation: asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab
decimation: asciilifeform: so you basically want singapore
decimation: well, I would pick an island in the middle of the pacific for definisibility
decimation: the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected
decimation: if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed
nubbins`: asciilifeform:nubbins`: yes, 22 years. <<< lel @ me
decimation: cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you
decimation: the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness
mircea_popescu: decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool
decimation: aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next
mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
decimation: well, the problem I have is picking the stirke price and quantity that is appropriate
decimation: there are plenty of short funds avialable, but they all have extremely high costs
mircea_popescu: if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important.
decimation: well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights
decimation: declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial
mircea_popescu: and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ?
decimation: no, you shoot it down once it hits your 2000 mile border without ident
decimation: the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides'
nubbins`: this is hypothetical to the point of absurdity
decimation: it's a fair point, one would have to have a large chunk of wealth
mircea_popescu: this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red.
mircea_popescu: see, if i had the magical stone that lets you turn time back FOR THE OTHERS
decimation: hawala works fine for finance but not for real estate
decimation: where's ascii gonna locate his fab, to be specific
mircea_popescu: decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab
mircea_popescu: the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own"
mircea_popescu: much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have it secretly dualboot for all i care.
mircea_popescu: have them upgrade to archlinux "for their own interest".
mircea_popescu: the problem is no longer "where to place the fab" but "where to find coders".
mircea_popescu: but if you ask me, i do not see ideal situation as "private island where 04938509348509834 SAM batteries and nukes, and purpose-built IC fab"
mircea_popescu: i see it as, "elaborate virus, makes targetted fab shit out our own gear "accidentally", we buy it as tailings for pennies"
mircea_popescu: did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ?
nubbins`: duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech
decimation: except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all
mircea_popescu: decimation 1% yield, as long as it's not your run, is fine isn't it.
decimation: how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one?
nubbins`: asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front
mircea_popescu: (and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here)
decimation: well for one thing, each and every 'run' of a modern chip requires milllions in setup fees
mircea_popescu: (just, THIS lolz you're better equipped to appreciate, not being gunnery sgts or w/e)
decimation: literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run
decimation: why would they risk revealing their ip by selling dud units
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above.
nubbins`: now you gotta own an Iron Mountain franchise too?
decimation: even with bribery, it would take a very large dole and a tight organization
decimation: how much do you think pitcairn island costs
decimation: in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters
mircea_popescu: how to suspend laws ? o i know, turn it into a forest!!1
decimation: george bush turned 2000 miles of territory west of hawaii into a forest
decimation: " It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana."
decimation: and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law
decimation: asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway
decimation: perhaps in a few decades when france has collapsed sufficiently, it would be possible to seize an island from french polynesia
mircea_popescu: i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race
mircea_popescu: maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats"
mircea_popescu: fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? << This is a point. And on land unlike on sea one can travel even if deprived of vehicle.
mircea_popescu: no. because in alaska you can live, and live well, and alone.
mircea_popescu: police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY
mircea_popescu: where there's no derps, the usg does not magic some into place.
mircea_popescu: well, if that's the standard i guess the south east of russia then, definitely.
mircea_popescu: which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92500 @ 0.00025626 = 23.7041 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people.
mircea_popescu: to prefer a solution that clearly will not work, and by necessity, over a solution that clearly does in fact work is one definition of insanity.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That comes in next story on not-Bitcoins behaving badly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no longer a solution to your stated problem.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
mircea_popescu: by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler.
mircea_popescu: that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79198 @ 0.00025752 = 20.3951 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14552 @ 0.00025942 = 3.7751 BTC [+]
nubbins`: yeah, this boot via tftp is pretty dope.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.00025874 = 44.348 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 311250 @ 0.00026011 = 80.9592 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.0002552 = 26.3877 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00025512 = 8.8386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00025695 = 29.7291 BTC [+] {2}
felipelalli: Thank you for all, and thanks mircea_popescu
felipelalli: I have to sleep, here 3:40 AM. I'll see your feedback later.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219925 @ 0.00024899 = 54.7591 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach.
mircea_popescu: overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart"
mircea_popescu: which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad.
mircea_popescu: in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days.
mircea_popescu: chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism.
pete_dushenski: the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision
mircea_popescu: i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself,
pete_dushenski: prove that you're strong enough to abstain, strong enough to slice nuts, etc.
mircea_popescu: "Ganhava um pouco, e perdia muito. Meu saldo final, depois de muito trabalho e tempo, foi APR de -13.27% aos investimentos atrelados ao dólare e +6,44% em bitcoin."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.0002352 = 8.6318 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern.
mircea_popescu: gain a little, lose a lot. i made -13% apr on usd, +6.5% in btc.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "Essa frase foi simplesmente perfeita." < you can nao put on your blog lol
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:17:35; asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
mircea_popescu: was some random guy with a secular short fund that keep rolling options
mircea_popescu: it's quant for "forever", which means whatever, over a decade i guess.
mircea_popescu: "secular trend" = "it was a trend before i was in business"
pete_dushenski: aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me
pete_dushenski: turns out, "before i was in business" doesn't actually mean shit anyways!
mircea_popescu: in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine.
pete_dushenski: this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is the new trilema header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ?
cazalla: friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization
mircea_popescu: but i guess for this sort of thing it's actually ideal.
mircea_popescu: More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon
mircea_popescu: ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders.
mircea_popescu: the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220800 @ 0.00023405 = 51.6782 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234568 @ 0.00025274 = 59.2847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265432 @ 0.000262 = 69.5432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 948467 @ 0.00025977 = 246.3833 BTC [-] {5}
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's wrong with unity? this game is preddy good btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 206650 @ 0.00026765 = 55.3099 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215250 @ 0.000265 = 57.0413 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194823 @ 0.00026984 = 52.571 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 78 @ 0.01409741 = 1.0996 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: "China was unable to block Github because of the huge cost to its technology industry."
nubbins`: canada was unable to ban marijuana because everybody fuckin smokes it
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu>
http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. <<< "it isn't hard to get candy. all i do is go to granny's house, since granny keeps candy there for me. i mention that i love candy and wait. i've also used my aunt, left my mouth open, gone into a torpor, only to be awoken later by the gummy bears. some of the hottest food ever.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> pork's not *that* great. <<< ah get out
nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> though not "canadian back bacon" <<< you mean ham? :D
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. <<< big spender!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178400 @ 0.00026868 = 47.9325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109000 @ 0.000265 = 28.885 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform ado says 1000 @ $15ea, bout the same as other guy
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00015665 / 0.00023305 / 0.00027047 (8535021 shares, 1,989.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024306 / 0.00030019 (16754205 shares, 4,072.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00033332 / 0.0004493 (88257024 shares, 29,418.70 BTC)
mike_c: that is oddly disturbing
mod6: i like the BTC truck
nubbins`: ^ some links to start you out, Chillum
nubbins`: (not the sparkfun one, that was a general share)
nubbins`: comments have some dieharder test results
nubbins`: "Sum-up : 73 tests performed. Cardano RNG : Failed 2, Weak 5, Passed 66. Radioactive decay : Failed 9, Weak 13, Passed 51. Now go take your current entropy source, put it through diehard and see what happens. "
Chillum: 5% will not pass by chance in general
Chillum: one must run the same test many times on different data, only if a test is failing reliably or more than likely by chance is there a problem
Chillum: the radioactive decay looks like it has issues but that is likely due to the sampling methodology
Chillum: while the average rate of radioactive decay is predictable the actual moment of a given decay is very uncertain
Chillum: any pattern is likely due to sampling bias or an external source of energy
assbot: chillum is not registered in WoT.
nubbins`: try /msg assbot !register or smth
gribble: Nick 'Chillum', with hostmask 'Chillum!~highinbc@wikipedia/Chillum', is identified as user 'Chillum', with GPG key id FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, key fingerprint 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, and bitcoin address 1CHiLLUm1p2CzQrDPB1Tgs3t3jVbuBH1y3
nubbins`: Chillum assbot's wot split from gribble's a while back
nubbins`: you can use your current key, try !register <fingerprint>
Chillum: !register 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Registration successful.
nubbins`: then /msg assbot !verify <decrypted otp>
nubbins`: !verify assbot:nubbins`.rate.chillum.1:aa3ec119b01dd0d523b9536191515784648cf75065d1860a9ec818dafce20f00
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for chillum with note: a person
nubbins`: anyway, poor asciilifeform has been testing the cardano boards like a madman lately
nubbins`: in between constructing a pick-n-place in his house
nubbins`: and i think he has a job too 8)
Chillum: how do they interface? Do they have serial out?
nubbins`: careful, you'll run out of credits if you click too many links ;p
Chillum: the major flaw with most HWRNGs is the lack of failure detection
nubbins`: oh here we go, someone qualified can take over
Chillum: lol, that zap switch will burn out the EPROM if used for too long
Chillum: they have a limited number of writes
Chillum: other than auditability how could one detect a subtle failure?
Chillum: I like that it uses 2 trngs through a xor gate. Often that is implemented in software with two devices
Chillum: it is using the hwrng in a raspberry pi
Chillum: I wrote the code myself, it calls vanitygen pointed to the hwrng
Chillum: well I am using rng-tools to point /dev/hwrng to /dev/random
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.000265 = 17.278 BTC [-]
Chillum: It is a raspberry pi connected to a button and a tty receipt printer
Chillum: it was from a kit meant to printer a twitter feed in real time
Chillum: I started with a fresh OS and wrote the bitcoin wallet printer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0002701 = 5.9692 BTC [+]
Chillum: a cheap offline computer for printer paper wallets
assbot: Adafruit IoT Pi Printer Project Pack - Includes Raspberry Pi ID: 1289 - $189.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits ... (
http://bit.ly/1NlIZpO )
Chillum: you can get the parts way cheaper
Chillum: it is a $40 printer and a $35 Pi, a power supply a button some wires and a case
Chillum: hehe I did not know about that
Chillum: and here I thought I was being clever
Chillum: looks like the same printer too
danielpbarron: i've had a piper printer for a couple years now i think
Chillum: Still, I will always write my own paper wallet software that uses vanitygen. You never know if some 3rd party programmed it to only make 500 million keys and has then precomputed
danielpbarron: probably fixable but i wouldn't want to actually send funds to any address it produces anyway
danielpbarron: yeah i was trying to get mine to pull from a list of pre-generated addresses that i supplied
Chillum: if you limit your generator to a smaller keyspace that you precompute then you don't need a backchannel of communications
Chillum: If you want that then use a deterministic wallet
Chillum: unlimited keys with the advantage of backup.
Chillum: but really I want mine to forget right away. I have no swap and do everything in RAM
danielpbarron: i liked it for handing out freebies to people i met
Chillum: no temp files, the user running it has read only access to the drive
nubbins`: not a great way to make people care, hey?
Chillum: I am pretty sure I am not writing to disk. No flashing green light
Chillum: I did a scan for keystrings and did not find them
Chillum: nubbins`: If I gave out bitcoin samples it would be in the form of a coupon that expires. If you just give out wallets half the people will throw them out
Chillum: have some service that lets them claim it if they are actually interested
nubbins`: just give em a privkey, and take the money back if it's still there after x days :P
danielpbarron: and told people i'd sweep the funds back after X time
Chillum: nubbins`: what if they add to the key???
danielpbarron: now i'm responsible for some "burned" coins forever bloating the tx pool :<
danielpbarron: oo, instead of twitter feed, i could make one of these print MPEx stocks
Chillum: Before I was using a perl script that made a png that I printed on my laser printer and deleted. Sooo copy on my hard drive, copy on my printer, copy going over my network to the printer. I said "There has to be a better way"
Chillum: I feel much safer with my offline printer
Chillum: yes, it can do pretty much anything
Chillum: the python library makes it fairly easy to use too
Chillum: text is as simple as printer.println("This is text")
nubbins`: hope ya don't store those long-term :D
Chillum: dirt cheap, but don't get the printouts hot
Chillum: I have a plastic card printer for long term wallets
Chillum: images need to be converted into 2 bit bitmap but there are examples online
Chillum: The EPPSON R280 is what you want
Chillum: out of production but still on ebay
Chillum: you need to replace the DVD tray with a card tray from a Chinese company that also sells the blank cards
nubbins`: epson printers are great, i've got two wide-format ones
nubbins`: never thought of getting a card tray for one :D
Chillum: I want to invest in a wide format printer and a laser cutter. I just have nowhere to put them
nubbins`: Chillum they're like $300! get one
nubbins`: granted, only 13" wide, but who cares?
Chillum: I would need to pay like $500 a month more rent to get a bigger place
Chillum: this city is stupid expensive
nubbins`: then you get a CISS from cobra inks
Chillum: I am trying to find a place with an extra room for a workspace but nothing really available. After the university lets out I may have more like
nubbins`: and start paying $20 per 16oz instead of $1000
Chillum: oh ya, continuous ink is mandatory if you are going to go into commercial production
nubbins`: we have two: one color (pictured), one with 6 black tanks
Chillum: nice, does it have the secondary reservoir so you can keep printing when you switch out the bottles, or is it a fill from the top system?
nubbins`: secondary reservoir. it uses negative pressure
nubbins`: you can see those tanks are split vertically
nubbins`: back (right-side) half is much lower
nubbins`: that's where the printhead draws from
nubbins`: you just gotta swap the rubber stoppers to maintain pressure
Chillum: the printer kit called for soldering but I did the whole thing with pin header wires
nubbins`: this one just clicks into place
Chillum: the one thing I like about thermal paper(as crappy as it is) is that you don't need ink
nubbins`: ink cost is pretty minimal here
Chillum: costs 1 cent for each 3.5 wallets by my calculations
Chillum: if the piper is running a raspberry pi then it is far from bricked. Just reimage the sd card with raspbian then plug it into ethernet, nmap for port 22 and login user/password pi/raspbian
Chillum: then you can get the python thermalprinter library and do whatever you like
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nubbins`: this is what happens when you do people a favor
nubbins`: oh n/m, "I wouldn't say angry, but disappointed for sure."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00026549 = 6.2921 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: "The debt is up to $1,000 now, so we have to draw the line somewhere." << wtf kind of business is this??
nubbins`: danielpbarron restaurant X goes outta business. X strikes up a deal with Y and Z: if they accept X's gift certs, they'll be reimbursed.
nubbins`: Y and Z start accepting gift certs
nubbins`: given that most of the certs were prob for $50-100, how much of a balance would YOU rack up before you stopped honoring them?
nubbins`: keep in mind that X went out of business because they were broke.
nubbins`: also keep in mind last line of article: "March is a graveyard for restaurants."
nubbins`: sure, unless the overflow business is paying in worthless scrip.
nubbins`: "this really worked, look at all the funbucks in the register" know what i mean?
danielpbarron: they could be like.. "gift cards good for food, you buy the booze"
nubbins`: or they could be like "paying customers only" :D
Chillum: hmm I wonder if a universal gift card could be created that used bitcoin backing
Chillum: well of course it could be created, would it be embraced
Chillum: call it foodcoin so they are not scared
danielpbarron: you mean a credit/debit card denominated in bitcoin? i'm sure these will exist after the dollar collapses
trinque: danielpbarron: this is how I'd expect everyman transactions to take place
nubbins`: this would be like restaurants selling USD.
trinque: instead of the "btc for latte" situation
Chillum: credit cards started as dining cards
Chillum: it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea
trinque: that's also my answer to people who want bitcoin to be visa... build visa *atop* bitcoin
danielpbarron: sell them? you don't get countless credit card applications in the mail?
mircea_popescu: Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card.
Chillum: the restaurants could act as places to buy/sell foodcoin(bitcoin)
Chillum: people won't like the changing value though
danielpbarron: that's why i prefaced with "after the dollar collapses"
funkenstein_: they didn't like leaving french francs or old chinese yuan either
mircea_popescu: why do you think usg dollar is stable, zimbabweg dollar is not ?
mircea_popescu: because of any difference in policy / quality / wealth / value ?
Chillum: it is just commonly used as a reference
mircea_popescu: well so then. once bitcoin is commonly used as reference, there's no change for people not to like
felipelalli: felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. << mircea_popescu it would be perfect.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ ships have to interact with the sea. big shits however, mostly interact with people's heads.
Chillum: the rising tide raises all ships, well the ones that don't sink
felipelalli: the impact being quite interesting in the Brazilian community.
felipelalli: a lot of people came to congratulate me, but all in pvt. and few people disagreed, but who disagreed did so in public.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli go sign "Hello this is not dog" with the address in question.
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
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nubbins`: cooking most things is... pretty simple
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much, but I don't need in this moment, and I hope not need soon, or never. Also, the private keys of my btcs isn't so easy to access right now. But if I need it one day for (an investment in my company maybe?), the first place I'll try is here. But I won't, don't worry. I think my loans on btcjam was another excitement test than real need. I thoroughly enjoyed your offer, very grateful for that.
danielpbarron: hard thing is getting the rice just right if you've never done it before; or the steak.. or the eggs
danielpbarron: felipelalli, i gathered from your article that you were more a lender than a borrower
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144850 @ 0.000265 = 38.3853 BTC [-]
felipelalli: danielpbarron: not big lender, I think I was using it like a bet house, just playing it.
felipelalli: mpex yes, bitbet yes but I don't remember.
danielpbarron: so there you go! turns out you didn't even need btcjam
mircea_popescu: it's certainly what i use to show girls they can be chefs too!
nubbins`: i've never done anything wellington, but have been threatening to for a while
nubbins`: aaaand i've got a dozen pork tenderloins on hand....
mircea_popescu: it's very simple : boil liver, make dough, sear tenderloin.
mircea_popescu: mix liver with cream, vinegar, allspice into a paste. rub all over tenderloin. place on dough, seal, rub egg yolk over, stick in oven
mircea_popescu: obviously you can trim that. but odds are the girl never had it anyway, so she won't know.
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nubbins`: "i'd suggest you put it back and forget about it" haha
nubbins`: mircea_popescu are you a meat-thermometer type of guy or an "i think it's done now" type of guy
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't undercook the meat without undercooking the dough is the beauty of it
nubbins`: it looks like the ball is removable. i'd get a larger ball, swap it out, THEN put the hook back where i found it.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu but the dummies on hell's kitchen ALWAYS fuck up the wellington!
nubbins`: tbf a gremlin is screaming at them to hurry up
Adlai: BingoBoingo: what's the preferred way to encode qntra articles?
Adlai: in terms of footnotes, links, quotes, etc... html?
nubbins`: so i think they just don't give a fuck if it's done or not
nubbins`: TBF i just use a meat thermometer :P
nubbins`: not w/o making a steam vent, hey
nubbins`: i've got regular pork tenderloin down to a science
BingoBoingo: Adlai: footnotes inline surrounded by double paren, html format links, bold, other emphasis, mark your blockquotes somehow
nubbins`: haha man these fat fucks moved in a couple houses down. Domino's pizza delivered to the house every day at noon for the past 10 days.
Adlai: so like this((footnote)), for example?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu once the searing is done, i rough-chop an onion and throw that in the cast iron w/ whole baby bella mushrooms
nubbins`: after you take the pork outta the pan, 1/4 cup red wine to deglaze
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> needs the leading space << This is what editors are for
nubbins`: i do have some huge portobellos here
nubbins` tempted to get a vac sealer for marinating too
nubbins`: you know i don't marinate with either?
mircea_popescu: actually... everything works, really, champignon, boletus...
mircea_popescu: it's really the world's most tolerant dish, and it seems so damned fancy.
nubbins`: there's maybe two species of mushrooms that i'd feel safe picking outdoors and eating
nubbins`: C. Cantharellus and P. Semilanceata 8)
nubbins`: but that's not to say they don't grow here!
mircea_popescu: should exist, imo it's pretty much everywhere birch grows
mircea_popescu: little dark looking shits, you wouldn't think asnythingof them
chetty: << seriously considers tossing out the meatloaf in the oven and starting over
chetty: nothing but now I am drooling for wellington
nubbins`: anyway back to where this began
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nubbins`: Let's say you have a girl coming over for dinner, but you lied to her about taking cooking lessons etc... if you don't know a damn thing about cooking, what's an easy but impressive dish even a moron could make?
nubbins`: look, he thinks that "taking cooking lessons" means you're a CHEF.
nubbins`: just like how taking a first aid course makes you a doctor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00026186 = 40.4836 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: listen, kid, you have bigger problems than what's for dinner.
nubbins`: namely, that your girl is gonna think you have tumbleweeds in your head regardless of what you serve her
nubbins`: one of the suggestions was "tell her you don't mix business with pleasure" and order take-out
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in my experience, girls, and especially at the age apparent here, couldn't give less of a shit what oyu're saying
mircea_popescu: (if you don't believe me, ask a teenager for a summary of what the boy said on their date. prepare to be amazed - she has nfi.
nubbins`: another guy suggests buying a frozen lasagna and a casserole dish, and faking it
mircea_popescu: then adults derp all over teens for various "Safety consideration".)
nubbins`: "Remember to put all of the packaging in a separate garbage bag, and then dispose of that bag long before she arrives at your place."
nubbins`: don't you mean "remember to ask mom if you can use the kitchen"?
mircea_popescu: "mom can I use the kitchen ?" "gtfo you're not having sex in my kitchen"
mircea_popescu: "well... i can't have sex, either! benefit of the suspicion, here!"
mircea_popescu: funny how "i can't cook" means you suck at it, whereas "i can't have sex" means someone's not lettin' you. clearly, i say CLEARLY everyone's great at sex, the impediments can only be evil external stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00026147 = 28.7748 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:49:55; nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text
ben_vulpes: the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious.
nubbins`: Linuxbrew is a fork of Homebrew, the Mac OS package manager, for Linux.
nubbins` struggles to find appropriate analogy
mike_c: Krafp cheese is a fork of kraft cheese designed to have a shorter shelf life but taste better.
nubbins`: hm buildroot wants ncurses-devel which for the life of me i can't find
mircea_popescu: because in a country that's essentially living off fumes, the smartest thing to do is ask for more money from the government.
mircea_popescu: i ownder what they'll actually do once the government stops paying salaries outright.
mike_c: i heard a south american joke about argentina the other day
mircea_popescu: somehow tho i imagine anything sane, like begging while crawling naked in the street is right out
mircea_popescu: after all, argentina is the african country with highest self-respect per capita.
mike_c: "how do you make money off an argentine? you buy them for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth"
mike_c: apparently everyone else in south america already knew this about them :)
mircea_popescu: it's like living in california once all the americans died out and were replaced with spanish speaking italian gypsies.
mike_c: hehe. there you go nubbins`, that's how you do an analogy
mircea_popescu: anyway, something tells me i'ma have a load of fun this year an' the next.
mircea_popescu: only reason i'm even putting up with the idiocy, i really wish to see this collapse.
mircea_popescu: but i tell you, i doubt there was ever a country that so effectually turned innocent goodwill into entrenched aversion.
mircea_popescu: but as an amusing bit of color : presidential elections six months away. eight people are candidates - none of them has a running mate.
mircea_popescu: because seriously, what argentine could possibly be second ?!
mircea_popescu: the only reason they even like messi in the first place is a sort of schelling effect : if they all agree he's the forward, it's ok for all the other 10 players not to be the forward.
mircea_popescu: if messi weren't there, you'd have 11 forwards in the team. yes goalkeeper included. what goalkeeping ?!
Adlai: BingoBoingo: can i use <pre>?
Adlai: (it's not listen in the tags below the comment box)
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Are you submitting an article or a comment?
Adlai: re: Tomáš Jiřikovský
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah articles get to use more tags than comments do
mircea_popescu: "Today we have taken legal actions against this person and we will charge him for this gossip." lolk
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ar collapse << and the americans won't buy it up at firesale like every other turd world collapsatron?
ascii_field: i mean, this is sorta their planetary business model
ascii_field: 1) set it on fire 2) wait for fire sale 3) buy 4) ??? 5) profit (tm)
mircea_popescu: for one thing, you can blame the us for anything you wish, but the argentine disaster is 100% argentine made.
ascii_field: y'know, letting idiots set own house on fire is the best arson
mircea_popescu: i'm mildly suprised there's not five million .ar mpexes etc, they seem exactly the right idiots to make glbse shitcascades.
mircea_popescu: right. anyway, it will have to fall a long looong way before it gets anywhere usians will want to buy.
mircea_popescu: why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? << Argentina, less collapsed than Ohio!!!
ascii_field: if mircea_popescu was right about being able to live like a culture man for a few k-usd/yr
BingoBoingo: Adlai: I can't decrypt that for some reason
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: A large part of being a culture man is knowing not to live in Ohio
Adlai: it should be viewable by BingoBoingo, cazalla, and me
Adlai: F3251143 for BingoBoingo, 468F4AD0 for cazalla
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: say you had 1M usd. fell down from sky. you could blow 30k in ohio, and live like a pauper on the meagre sub-inflation interest off the rest in american bank. or blow 150k in ar and invest in collapsatron and live like cultured man ? possibly
ascii_field entirely clueless re: ar, it may as well be on alpha centauri to him
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Are you using any weird GPG v2 only features?
BingoBoingo: Perhaps try again just encrypting to my key. No signing.
Adlai: BingoBoingo: actually please delete "Czech" from the sentence where it appears five bazillion times, once is probably enough
Adlai: where does that appear?
mike_c: right after the second word.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field Adlai, what is "JiYikovsk aftSi CEN equivalent" supposed to actuall read?
Adlai: ok, hanewin definitely butchered stuff
Adlai: "Czech FINCEN equivalent ((Finančního Analytického Útvaru)) "
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: I just used the rest of the space in the up message to ping Adlai, because
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Can you email it and let the text wrap like god intended pls
Adlai: how about i just attach the document so gmail doesn't fuck with it
ascii_field: mod6: 'buildroot' is a classical item, i had nothing to do with its authorship
Adlai: "by Bingo Boingo"?
mod6: ascii_field: i know, im just giving you a hard time :)
Adlai: BingoBoingo: oh also, the link to gwern's pgp info didn't get through
Adlai: bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? << We don't do that fancy, but at least your name's on it nao
Adlai: sure, thanks, but the links should be there for people who want to check sources. i can email you a link with explicit links
cazalla: Adlai, decrypted fine for me
cazalla: thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P
danielpbarron: or its been gone since the 24th .. grep comes out order
nubbins`: not much info on buildroot w/ darwin host
BingoBoingo: ascii_field> BingoBoingo: missing line break << Historical document line break missing in original, also part of historical document, bad signature
mats: another amateur pwned
nubbins`: am i remiss in thinking turdel will fit this def? ^
Adlai: mats: qntra just covered this!
BingoBoingo: That thing where they have the same boobs is incredibly creepy
ascii_field: nubbins`: possibly later tonight will post a scriptable set of diffs, portatron-style
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trinque: +cazalla | thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P << tenyks has an rss thing I think
trinque: would be trivial to crap one together
danielpbarron: what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT?
assbot: tenyks-contrib/main.py at master · kyleterry/tenyks-contrib · GitHub
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? <<< right?
nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
trinque: >wants bitcoin because valuable as demonimated in paper currency
trinque: >deserves whatever happens next
trinque: ascii_field: holy shit the video
trinque: it's some rapper guy wit bitches
trinque: to say nothing of california using less water, eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96482 @ 0.00026549 = 25.615 BTC [+]
trinque: this chinese botnet wants our bitcoin so bad...
trinque: no coin in that box you fucks :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46818 @ 0.00026549 = 12.4297 BTC [+]
nubbins`: my kingdom for osx-targeted ncurses-devel!
nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
trinque: oh hey, pogo and sd card are to be delivered today
trinque: got the cheapest shipping too
nubbins`: danielpbarron is in the 300k range on one of his
danielpbarron: i see no reason for it to not fully sync at this point
danielpbarron: the version i'm running is not the latest release though
nubbins`: i keep running my battery down to 0% which tends to make me have to rescan everything
nubbins` is assuming just deleting blkindex.dat is good enough
mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
mod6: can you do me a favor?
mod6: do you still have the link to the pastebin stuff you gave me for your ubuntu build?
mod6: i was thinking about including some of that info in the monthly address.
mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
mod6: (i have a recent one, but not on this machine atm)
nubbins`: mod6 plz to emphasize that osx patch does not come with official nintendo seal of quality
nubbins`: i should also prolly resend that email with a subject so it doesn't get lost. right now it shows up as a reply to some other no-subject post
mod6: shows send/recieve on the 64 bit static binary
mod6: nubbins`: np. i think it's just good to get it in the list for now. later we can take it, massage whatever is needed and get it into a proper patch and test it.
mod6: yikes that paste expires in 1 day lol. thanks though funkenstein_, I'll save it locally so i've got it.
mod6: so it turns out that debian didn't need the -nodnsseed flag, but gentoo did just like you ran into with ubuntu, i wanna make a comment on that in the address perhaps.
mod6: oh thanks danielpbarron
mod6: what debian? (we test on deb6)
mod6: ah. ok. well, maybe I can give it a shot at some point. or help you out with it.
funkenstein_: i'm not going to run it there anyway, it was just for test
mod6: well, thanks for testing anyway. appreciate it!
funkenstein_: speaking of testing i have an escrow site I've been trying to make usable
nubbins`: hmm initial scan from test machine shows malware behind that link
thestringpuller: nubbins` is always joking about dead bodies and cocaine in trunk of car as we cross border
funkenstein_: hmm builds proceeding. funny thing is i never got any coins to build on fedora20x64
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight
nubbins`: like you said, what's a wallet without rng
ascii_field: the jurist term is 'attractive nuisance' iirc.
ascii_field: like a power saw left unwatched for children to play with
BingoBoingo: Nah, the powersaw is safer and people tend to learn from that
mike_c: but, now a separate pogo branch must be maintained?
mike_c: does the -disablewallet config switch exist in this version? that would be easier way to prevent children from playing with matches
mike_c: i thought it was like 5.5mb.
ascii_field: mike_c: the buildroot i have is theoretically retargetable to multiple cpu archs and boards with minimal effort
ascii_field: mike_c: i have several candidates for replacement of 'pogo' if something 'happens to' our supply.
punkman: we don't really want wallet code in regular bitcoind anyway
mike_c: yeah, fine, but that's different from starting a pogo branch. if it gets cut from master branch, problem solved (if there is a problem?)
mike_c: ascii_field: you saying that cutting it makes it more portable? or just easier to fit on smaller arch.
ascii_field: mike_c: would like to fit on boards with 8M rom
mike_c: ok, so cut it later when we have a 8m device we want to fit it on.
ascii_field: but i will leave this for the folks whose project it actually is, to decide
punkman: maybe add my mining-snip patch too
nubbins`: suppose instead of -disablewallet, flip the bit and make it -enablewallet?
ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
nubbins`: make wallet=off the default while we decide when to trim
nubbins`: in a perfect world, remove_wallet.patch
nubbins`: included as an "extra" in -RELEASE.tar.gz
mike_c: short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet and miner and then it will be smaller around the same time we want to fit it on a 8m device.
nubbins`: (/me imagines makefile.osx in same "extra"
mike_c: serendipity will prevail
mike_c: of course, i use 'we' loosely since all i've done is buy a pogo and wait.
Adlai: ascii_field: mining only needs an output script for the coinbase
nubbins`: what's the endian-ness of the pogo's arm, big?
ascii_field: (most recent embedded system-on-chip are selectably-endian)
nubbins`: you have a buildroot .config you can pop up somewhere?
ascii_field: nubbins`: it's a mega-turd. not just one config, but four, and they have to be packaged in a certain way
ascii_field: i want folks building their own pogo runtimes soon.
nubbins`: finally got buildroot nut cracked here
nubbins`: s/make menuconfig/make nconfig
ascii_field: so that i can, perhaps, escape the chore of figuring out why sata refuses to init
ascii_field: and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp
ascii_field: did cut a bunch of irrelevant crud from the kernel (keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc)
nubbins`: i'll take a peek at the light and button stuff, seems straight-forward
ascii_field: nubbins`: like sata, it mysteriously fails to work
ascii_field: that is, i have the marvell config flags set
ascii_field: anyone who is planning to screw with the kernel, -must- have tftp set up
ascii_field: otherwise the debug loop is unbearably tedious
ascii_field: i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel.
trinque: flight 9525 seems a great way to argue "see, this is why we need to be able to remote-control planes"
ascii_field: trinque: the remotes -were put in-, by and large across the board, in '01-03
trinque: ascii_field: saw the link re: boeing I think it was
ascii_field: trinque: how well they work, and when they are used, and who orders it - i do not know.
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << a few, yeah
trinque: ascii_field: got any search terms which will conjure that link from the logs?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: someone did suggest a good reason why not - the chore of maintaining two branches
ben_vulpes: oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171606 @ 0.00026574 = 45.6026 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?
mike_c: didn't you just say you would?
mike_c: oh. i thought somebody said it was on your todo list.
ben_vulpes: but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating
ben_vulpes: on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?
ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
mike_c: right. that's what one is going to do with a wallet.
Chillum: I am about to see if a Raspberry Pi 2 can run a full node. The Pi 1 starts to crap out around mid 2014
mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
ben_vulpes: mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.
mike_c: (and double the test matrix)
mike_c: thing is, one could clone the code, rip out most of the stuff that wasn't the wallet, and voila, new binary that is a wallet.
mike_c: it would be a bad wallet, but it would be a start
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: that, and remove the 'attractive nuisance'
ben_vulpes: the latter i don't care too much about.
mike_c: to be clear, ben_vulpes, this is for future unspecified project to create node out of smaller device than pogo
funkenstein_: it would be pretty useless but you could make it small :)
ben_vulpes: bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_
ascii_field: fuck it up its arse with a reciprocating saw
ben_vulpes: anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.
ben_vulpes: rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first
ben_vulpes: pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if you or anyone else has spare time - i recommend taking a look at the bastard blocks thing
ben_vulpes: bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.
funkenstein_: mod6: build error on a fedora box: dpaste.com/28E8Z9X
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: getting them running... << have you tried 'turdel' demo ?
ben_vulpes: they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.
ben_vulpes: naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain
danielpbarron: i have to periodically restart bitcoind on my pogos
funkenstein_: so these have been requested from other nodes the we aren't ready for them yet?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines
danielpbarron: i do the restarts manually, as i keep an eye on them nearly all day; i use the restart as an opportunity to back up the block database of the solid state pogo
funkenstein_: i set a script with bitcoind stop, sleep, and restart, and put it in crontab
trinque: felipelalli: ^ thanks for alerting me
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 16:59:53; mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez
cazalla: mike_c, not that i know of
cazalla: but now that es.qntra.net was put together for her, she's absent
mike_c: hehe. always a good way to make someone leave. "here's some work"
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
cazalla: maybe i'm too quick to pull the trigger on that one, but we'll see
BingoBoingo: Maybe the CIA got her to prevent Qntra influence in Latin America
Chillum: damn compiling bitcoind on the pi2 takes hours
trinque: I'll turdel it this evening
trinque: danielpbarron: got a link to the pogo instructions?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 701 @ 0.03 = 21.03 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: I should've ordered the usb->serial guy too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see problem with wallet snip either.
danielpbarron: as long as you don't mess it up, it should be possible to do it without the serial connection
trinque: danielpbarron:
https url to enable ssh doesn't work
Chillum: yay I got bitcoind running
ben_vulpes: Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?
Chillum: is that not the latest version?
trinque: danielpbarron: connection refused when hitting the enable ssh URL via
https trinque: only ports 80 and 3333 are open on the thing
trinque: yeah with my 10.0.0.somethin
mircea_popescu: Chillum it may be the latest verion on a meanwhile abandoned bitcoin fork pushed by very dubious characters.
trinque: I'll check the hardware rev
danielpbarron: also a demonstration of where the sata drive goes, for those who haven't seen yet
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 19:21:45; BingoBoingo: More lulz
http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
Chillum: mircea_popescu: what would you recommend?
trinque: danielpbarron: do I have to "activate" this thing before that url becomes available?
danielpbarron: trinque, no; that url is supposed to let you bypass having to activate
ben_vulpes: Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?
danielpbarron: i wonder if they are shipping a different version or something
danielpbarron: i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on
Chillum: I prefer all flash websites
trinque: hm, well hardware rev's in the logs
trinque: I'll see what the software rev is on th inside
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 19:45:12; nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case.
ben_vulpes: in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.
trinque: danielpbarron: in messing with cables, my router came up after the pogo
trinque: pogo was mad about this for some reason, yet got an IP
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda why we don't want the states to survive, innit.
trinque: rebooted the pogo, light on the front went green, and the curl worked
trinque: might be good in the docs to say "make sure light's green, idiot"
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:18:47; nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.0002614 = 33.9297 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: soo.. i have mixed sheepmarketplace and bitcash.cz
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:39:24; mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:41:19; mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
jurov: it's the same incident
trinque: the PogoPlug is meant to share files on a cloud or something << ehhehehe
jurov: only errata needed it's about sheep marketplace, not bitcash
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:53:53; funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org
mircea_popescu: kinda why "multisig" stuff isn't taking off, in spite of all the power ranger effort dedicated at pushing that particular mudball uphill.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? << Apparently only for a select few who have beta-invites to an "independent online market" where they can buy goods in the thing. Totally not just a last hail mary to get anyone consider offering the slightest bit of buying support.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:21:14; ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ?
mircea_popescu: sounds like these people should run a small soviet republic in central asia.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:47:49; ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? << Pretty much. Apparently some of the most loyal of shills have been selected. There's allegations I can't evidence that the stuff is being shipped from amazon as a gift from Homero J Garza.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:49:57; mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shills getting payola is so common there's actually provisions in most criminal codes for it.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the guy is appearingly going through the book and breaking literally everything.
mircea_popescu: even conventions that outstretch the fucking treaty of paris.
BingoBoingo: Yup, but somehow Preet hasn't to my knowledge seen fit to reel in Gibson to share Shaver's chair
mircea_popescu: "so what if it's been in the code since westphalia ?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You want to do a Garza violates Westphalia piece for qntra?
mircea_popescu: (but alf may appreciate article I : "A Christian general and permanent peace, and true and honest friendship, must rule between the Holy Imperial Majesty and the Holy All-Christian Majesty"
mircea_popescu: who thought the all-russia thing is original ? no such thing as originality. the new czars wanted to be better caesars than the previous czars is all.)
mircea_popescu: (this to note that the given link is merely a perspective, and not divine truth. the treatment of fouquet is particularly ignorant, for instance - while the man was rich it is not clear he stole anything, and his disgrace has nothing to do with the minister and everything to do with the king, who visited once and was displeased at the luxurious manner in which he was received.)
mircea_popescu: "Northwestern University simply cannot stop being awesome. From getting drunk and hollering about blowjobs to throwing blackface Halloween parties to producing a little rapper by the name of Chet Haze, Northwestern University never does anything less than the most awesome thing to do in any given situation. That's why regular schools have "Human Sexuality" classes, but Northwestern University has HOT LIVE FUCKSAW demon
mircea_popescu: The optional presentation last Monday, attended by about 120 students, featured a naked non-student woman being repeatedly sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm by the sex toy, referred to as a "fucksaw." The device is essentially a motorized phallus.
mircea_popescu: John Michael Bailey, the psychology professor who leads the class in question, declined to comment to the Daily Northwestern "due to class preparations that he said last until Friday." He then hastily grabbed his fucksaw, retreated to his lair, and locked the door."
mircea_popescu: because he correctly identifies the "transsexual" delusion as malignant narcissism ?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. <<< emery famously listed "marijuana seed dealer" on his income tax returns for years. ended up remitting ~$2mn in total
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM <<< a node's a node, smarty-pantses!
trinque: got stock debian on my pogo
trinque: this is where I ended up due to the "..." in the uboot section of instructions
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? except no girls ther ? << ;;google itchy & scratchy bucks
trinque: asciilifeform: put debian on the sd card in a partition, I assume I can flash the nand from there?
trinque: and then add a uboot entry for it?
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> ^ in total << before picked up ? <<< before picked up.
nubbins`: as in, legitimately paid $2mn in taxes on marijuana seed sales over about a decade
nubbins`: which the government received, processed each year
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll keep the debian around and add this as a boot entry
nubbins`: trinque tftp -> mmc -> usb -> sata is an ok setup
nubbins`: if you follow vanilla "hack the pogo" instructions, you can keep the original setup in the loop too
trinque: yeah supposedly I still have their magic cloud distro on here
nubbins`: you planning to do a single-item boot list, or keep option for tftp/etc?
nubbins`: trinque +1, that's the guide i've been following
nubbins`: right now my pogo will try tftp, then boot debian from sd card, or original pogo if none present
trinque: nubbins`: yeah that sounds good to me
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' << in which vein, mp has never explained any such thing, to anyone, ever, nor does he mean to start.
mircea_popescu: "i'll not as much sue as send your daughter to dance for soros. how about that."