mircea_popescu: <assbot> Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh.
mircea_popescu: "Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors."
mircea_popescu: humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit
mircea_popescu: typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker.
mircea_popescu: for the past... uh i dunno, 2k years ? pretty much the mode
mircea_popescu: souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved."
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mircea_popescu: The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered. He is given an ideology without even knowing it. Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing. All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit.
mircea_popescu: You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house.
mircea_popescu: This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything.
mats: 16-12-2014 01:38:56 <asciilifeform> here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise
mats: y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good.
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mod6: <+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em
jurov: i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6)
mod6: jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway.
mod6: jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time
jurov: i may not be always available, don't wait for me
mod6: lol, im pretty dumb
mod6: ugh, im disgusted right now
mod6: jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website.
mod6: very much appreciated.
mod6: I ran it, but got an error here:
mod6: ./build_0_0_5_ec263eed1e1bcba06568a86bf0817235aa42b4bb.sh: 157: Syntax error: Bad fd number
mod6: gpg --homedir $HOME/.gnupg -k >& /dev/null
jurov: interesting, your shell doesn't supprt >&
mod6: did i mention that I hate shell scripts :)
mod6: i should hvae wrote it in perl.
jurov: apparently it should be &>
mod6: i dunno what i was thinking
jurov: when you change it works?
mod6: seems to be. i'll post the typescript
jurov: &> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh).
gribble: Error: ">" is not a valid command.
jurov: In a portable shell script (and if you don't need portability, why are you writing a shell script?), use > file 2>&1 only
jurov: it's unix wars all again
mod6: my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet.
mod6: to find out, i'll comment out line 167 and run again
mod6: keys were imported tho
mod6: i'll resend to the list with the updates.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00042999 = 26.4014 BTC [+]
mod6: ok all set, thanks again jurov.
assbot: You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer.
mod6: !rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
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mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.3:3a2d0d3341af24537f819d7ae5ec297a3d704c8fd3e70b7ddfc18b8456389649
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 3 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
assbot: You have not rated decimation.
mod6: !rated danielpbarron
assbot: You have not rated danielpbarron.
mod6: !rate decimation 1 Tested something for me quick
mod6: !rate danielpbarron 1 Tested something for me quick
mod6: no worries. yeah. jurov did some magic i wouldn't have ever figured out.
mod6: sorry, was super busy earlier. been getting ym head kicked in this week.
mod6: yeah, its on the website
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.decimation.1:592e1116aa3803ecba1bb80db5c231d4ebd357a093ad820c3114d9ef39dbf3e8
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for decimation with note: Tested something for me quick
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.danielpbarron.1:fd829af03ec6e1e365523c7052b003d1cd0c94ebb0254c63ccd8749207c02c38
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for danielpbarron with note: Tested something for me quick
mod6: !rated asciilifeform
assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: #bitcoin-assets & No Such lAbs.
mod6: !rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.2:a2bf41f16c31b6d7481d0c931e1fc204358af2edbbc1240286b8c127f8e80b11
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 1 to 2 with note: Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
mod6: ok. just hang tight, i'll just have to rewrite this thing in perl.
mod6: not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably.
mod6: right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers
mod6: and then I gotta start writing the eom docs.
mod6: after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now..
mod6: sorry for the trouble here.
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mod6: ok, well, the latest build guide will help you.
mod6: should be version 0.0.4
mod6: anyway, i'll cross my fingers that you can get through it.
mod6: just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order.
mod6: let me see what I can do about a perl script quick.
mod6: maybe i can whip something out
mike_c: is this some kind of stupid joke? debian takes 8 DVD's to install?
mike_c: oh, plus two update dvd's. an even 10 is nice i guess.
mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro.
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trinque: mike_c: no, that's including loads of packages
trinque: there's a mini install iso that's on the order of megs
mike_c: and it works? the other 40 gigs is just crap?
trinque: its some subset of or the whole apt collection
mike_c: interesting. ok. i guess i'll give it a whirl.
BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take systemd onto a spaceship
gribble: Current Blocks: 340937 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46118990047.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.74165
mircea_popescu: mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. << debian past sarge suffers from bitcoin past 0.5 problem
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway
mircea_popescu: it was to be fixed "eventually". power rangers still not got around to it.
mircea_popescu: well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so.
mircea_popescu: they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it.
mircea_popescu: and to think, two years of effort, gone. all those "salaries", suddenly unjustified.
mircea_popescu: all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper.
trinque reaches the top of the pile, switches to deedbot dev
BingoBoingo: So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile
assbot: San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Arrested For Intervening Between Police And Her Client « CBS San Francisco ... (
http://bit.ly/1v7bDYU )
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BingoBoingo wonders when he will realize... he can submit writing too as he atones for that unfortunate Foundation episode...
BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile.
pete_dushenski: just plunk down a coin on one side or the other and away you go
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer
pete_dushenski: or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mod6> maybe i can whip something out
ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book.
BingoBoingo: Odds are favorable for betting the underdog.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00043255 = 17.6048 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"
mike_c: hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.
mike_c: or did you have to download it directly
ben_vulpes: this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target
mike_c: well, i just installed deb 6
ben_vulpes: how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?
mike_c: i'll deal with that tomorrow. one problem at a time :)
ben_vulpes: i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target << I though a lesson of Pogo is cheap was any sane *nix is target
ben_vulpes: or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix
mike_c: i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P
ben_vulpes: i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Ah it is some American girl named Keys my money is on.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just beat the other Williams sister too.
ben_vulpes: indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work.
ben_vulpes: okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I got in at about 5.5 time my stake this afternoon.
BingoBoingo doesn't want to endorse any shady non-BitBet book in chan
BingoBoingo: Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller
BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao < ?! lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with.
mircea_popescu: "The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked."
mircea_popescu: except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd,
mircea_popescu: if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny.
mircea_popescu: (it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed"
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lobbes: mircea_popescu: thanks for exposing me to tlp. I especially enjoyed 'hipsters on foodstamps'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what is a 'croc' ? << Plastic clog footwear sold in mall walkways. Watchstand I worked at has a croc dealer as a neighbor. Things seem practical as an alternative shoe for some kinds of boating and little else.
BingoBoingo: I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: yeah well, apple pie is probably a lot more convincing than working out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015."
mircea_popescu: when your enemy says this ain't convincing you just scored.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1
mircea_popescu: clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized.
punkman: ^ super common around here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated.
mike_c: mod6: you interested in feedback on this script?
mircea_popescu: let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In this region that flavor is still mostly confined to close proximity to universities.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat"
mircea_popescu: and yet these are the derps going on about "intrinsic worth" on reddit.
mircea_popescu: one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads
mircea_popescu: then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury
BingoBoingo: Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents.
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assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00042991 = 19.7329 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density.
mircea_popescu: like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"
pete_dushenski: mike_c: what tweaks did it take to get it going on deb6?
mike_c: had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages
mike_c: a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error
mike_c: and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it
mike_c: but all in all, worked like a champ.
mike_c: i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.
decimation: re: walnut creek < I remember. I also remember when you could get shareware by mailorder catalog - on floppies
mod6: mike_c: \o/ neat pic :)
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decimation got internet in 1994, only had bbs before that
decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis
lobbes: decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform
decimation: re: autoconf << horrible. whoever thought it was a good idea to write 'magic autoconfigure' in 'm4' ought to be negrated
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long
decimation: video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX
mike_c: lol. the "other" foundation also had a 0.5.3.1 release
decimation believes that a dedicated machine ought to handle both of those functions
decimation remembers editing video on 'video toaster'
BingoBoingo: For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out.
Rozal: Thank you BingoBoingo
decimation: just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web
BingoBoingo: Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever
Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days
mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."
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BingoBoingo: Clozapine is probably closer to an exact opposite
BingoBoingo uses the traditional vitamin H, haloperidol as an example not pop culture Horse drug
decimation: "like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"" << most us cities have zoning rules specifically banning multiple occupants, multiple buildings, converting house to apartment, etc
decimation: most even have rules requiring a minimum floor size
mike_c: so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750. if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it.
decimation: asciilifeform: in the tenements owned by the rulemakers of course
cazalla: get home from holidays, bouncer autojoins #b-a and our friendly ddosser caught me slippin'
cazalla: ;;rate rozal -10 alleged that i stole bitcoin from him, fabricated logs and confessed to doing so, avoid at all costs - my logs here
http://qntra.net/rozal.txt gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rozal has changed from -3 to -10.
cazalla: fucking cunt put a dent in the first day of my holiday
Rozal: Doesn't effect my business :)
cazalla: it will when you go beyond nickles and dimes Rozal
Rozal: Anyways, I think the matter is closed and I don't wish to create more drama
mod6: on the last part...
mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Saying one's business is unaffected though is almost always a tacit admission one's business prospects have been affected.
mike_c: i was not careful. question that will be potentially answered: was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k.
Rozal: Hmm, so your implying that it has effected my business
Rozal: I use otc for small trades, and haven't had a single bad trade. I think I'll be alright
BingoBoingo: The world does not merely exist in the present as people fretting about future memory exhaustion demonstrate.
cazalla: anyways, i bbl, need some sleep after long drive
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mod6: damn. literally on the last step here.
mod6: but apparently you have to be in the src dir to execute the `make -f makefile.unix` successfully.
mod6: maybe i can use this chdir thing
BingoBoingo: Ah, that is less common. Sounds like a fad riding a postwar technology trend
mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# grep "Bitcoin version" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
mod6: Bitcoin version 0.5.3.1-beta
assbot: French prisons, long hotbeds of radical Islam, get new scrutiny after Paris attacks - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1uDIzSY )
mod6: it'll need some clean up perhaps... but if anyone wants to give that a shot... i had success with that, about 3 times just now
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably because such unusual solutions tend to leave impressions. I similarly remember house that happened to be along infrequently traveled highway with porch overhand supported by unfinished bark on sections of tree trunk
BingoBoingo: DC area is notorious for "settling" issues
BingoBoingo: Here there tends to be a divide amongst neighborhoods capable of basements and undermined areas where basement might lead to extra unfinished floorspace.
mod6: looks like freddy crugers old furnace
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Barrel is almost always the or a limiting factor
mod6: asciilifeform: you try that thing out, or did you build by hand?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1300 @ 0.00098007 = 1.2741 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: I recall in middle and High School dod.gov hosting some rather complete plans plainly on the public web because of FOIA which have since been memory holed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.0004398 = 11.2589 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days << o boy.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." << not really fixed in any sense. just, counter-kludged.
mod6: anyway, let me know how it goes. im out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I honestly at first though cazalla was making too much of this until... Rozal fabircated theft allegations against cazalla, which he would later confess to only when caught in a lie.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know im so impressed with that little train engine...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51362 @ 0.00043944 = 22.5705 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if worst comes to worst ima have friends import em when visiting.
mircea_popescu: you'll be easy to pick up in the airport. "fetch me the guy that's inside a pile of boxes"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me << because it's pretty fuckin stupid.
mircea_popescu: and if custom guy wants to steal the thing to run his own node i dun mind lol.
mircea_popescu: not like i import the usual sort of teledildonics / ipads
mircea_popescu: The Post Recommends: Remember Russia? It’s still doomed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. << i recall that. i also recall thinking "gee whiz, what a pointless thing nukes actually are."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00043222 = 19.666 BTC [-] {2}
mats: the cubans ought to sublease the place
mats: maybe the americans will cover utilities
mircea_popescu: actually... i doubt obama would mind giving it to them, provided the cia etc still gets to use it.
mircea_popescu: buncha derps in there nobody knows what to do with anyway
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nubbins`: asciilifeform is that just a basic FTDI adapter you've got hooked up to it? i'll take those pinouts if you've got a !search query handy
phillipsjk: It is a UDP fragment flood lasting about 30 minutes. about 0.3% of the packets were ICMP messages. Not sure if they are looking for "no route to host" from an intermediate router or what.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2085 @ 0.00096444 = 2.0109 BTC [-] {5}
phillipsjk: The second time (when I reconnected my router after the attack dropped to ~12kiB/s) the ICMP packets were making up about 0.9% of the packets.
phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P
nubbins`: my netflix streaming quality *has* improved since i got a cloak
trinque: my modem has gone down a couple times times this week
trinque: could just be shitty comcast
nubbins`: $27usd incl. shipping to the great white north(east)
phillipsjk: I found the attacker were enough to slow down the router. (Loading the web interface takes a while while under attack)
phillipsjk: it was not unuseable or anything. Logging into the router from my Pentium-II (using X forwarding) was *way* more painful.
phillipsjk does not trust Internet-facing admin interfaces
phillipsjk: Wikipedia says ntb may be a "net-top-box"?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00041785 = 24.9874 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: i'm gonna order some kialara bars today, anyone want one?
phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. 1. No servers. 2. They request detail GIS images from municipalities, but only give back "as build" diagrams in PDF format for "proprietary reasons"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00042305 = 16.6893 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.0004263 = 25.4501 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00043347 = 8.5394 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3556 @ 0.00090651 = 3.2235 BTC [-] {33}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3911 @ 0.00084589 = 3.3083 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.00083952 = 1.3097 BTC [-] {8}
davout: fluffypony: medium-kek, the previous one you posted was top-kek tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8220 @ 0.00043347 = 3.5631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042881 = 17.5812 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4138 @ 0.00089999 = 3.7242 BTC [+]
assbot: Trezor Code no Longer LGPLv3, but now more restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1BtEpj7 )
assbot: inBitweTrust is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1614 @ 0.00087192 = 1.4073 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: We purposedly choose to change licence on commit after it was forked by chinese.
jurov: this...i'm at loss of words.
davout: jurov: pretty derpy heh
mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042492 = 16.9756 BTC [-]
mats: " we're aware that this won't stop Chinese to copy our product, but this step gives a sign that we're not happy with it. This is more about a moral urge to their customers."
nubbins`: "we know it won't solve the problem, but a huge FUCK YOU to our customers will discourage competitors from messing with us again"
nubbins`: do the chinese guys have a github?
mats: i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork
mats: on my mobile tho so i can't check
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042152 = 17.2823 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00086228 = 1.5521 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00042492 = 11.0054 BTC [+]
davout: mats: "i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork" <<< they seem to have the same problem in -dev
davout: punkman: you're greek amirite?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00043051 = 42.9649 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00043209 = 23.4625 BTC [+] {2}
davout: danielpbarron: you actually use bitcointalk trust?
danielpbarron: *I* don't use it, but I leave ratings in there sometimes for people who do use it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00043211 = 5.1421 BTC [+]
davout: this fork-off thread is pretty lulzy
davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself
lobbes: lol >> "Then the alt gave me positive trust. I didn't ask for it!!"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. << definitely a power grab.
mircea_popescu: "so derps beat you to market ? that's ok, give them half a year they'll hang themselves."
mircea_popescu: mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot << in fairness, i think his involvement with this was more in the lines of typical forum scams (name lending - btw, always a bad idea)
mircea_popescu: davout: they seem to have the same problem in -dev ,<< top kek :D
mircea_popescu: davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself << there's an entire generation of fucktards who pretty much run on this software with little else.
mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. but they do so expect.
mircea_popescu: imagine this shit, i can actually read portuguese straight up!
mircea_popescu: "Nos primórdios, minha fonte principal de notícias sobre Bitcoin era o Bitcointalk Forum. Mas eu cansei de lá." << first off, my principal source of news on bitcoin was teh tardstalk forum. i got sick of it.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. << gubment teat, of course
mircea_popescu: then the discussions re meatpacking yest. "why are landlords slumming them up ?" "because they're basically sheep ?"
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cazalla im calling you j. coelho henceforth!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli actually iirc assbot is not a gribble fork. gribble is supybot, and i dun think kakobreklaa pythons much. i dun actually recall what it was derived from tho.
thestringpuller: "I wrote Facebook in the course of a few weeks," said Mark Zuckerberg. The site now "worth" billions, concludes socialisms last stand against its inevitable erosion from humanity.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00043275 = 11.6193 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Except when someone who doesn't deserve money wins, and then you find them in a ditch somewhere with 5 needles in there arm and a crack pipe in their mouth.
assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.felipelalli:811fb8713831e0da1b08ff8b05f3bc76531e2d3f6864f7a733bbc08409566d52
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mircea_popescu: at least before getting a fucking alternative up and running. like the "white" walls that are just about puke gray.
mircea_popescu: you won't know until someone brings some white stuff indoors.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42359 @ 0.00043441 = 18.4012 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50994 @ 0.00043971 = 22.4226 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1716 @ 0.00082999 = 1.4243 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ?
mircea_popescu: al gore, after being a total muppet, did he go commit sepukku quietly somewhere ? nope, still there, still doing substantiall the same thing. romney, after his beyond ludicrous failure with his "super duper website' thigee, did he quit ? nope... still there.
mircea_popescu: 27k words, no mention of "website", no mention of "software", wikipedia relevant as ever.
mircea_popescu: all that article needed was a thick red "Idiot who was going to make the first best and greatest election website. He failed."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5457 @ 0.00043928 = 2.3972 BTC [-]
assbot: The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News Politics President - Boston.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1BA1L9a )
mircea_popescu: by next year it's going to be completely gone, and the muppets ready to be sent against a wall again.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4388.36 B (80%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 4`868 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1yQKFEb )
mircea_popescu: "Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign. I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead this country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader."
mircea_popescu: "and i'm going to take two weeks of and carry on regardless, because the "all" on the field was really nothing at all."
davout: asciilifeform: "the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured." <<< doesn't the whole thing work that way because you can't request peers to give you blocks matching a certain height in their chain?
nubbins`: y'know, yes could totally still win
nubbins`: btc just needs to be at $7k 30-day avg by mid-march
mats: best one is prob #40: james forshaw's winders sandbox paradox
mircea_popescu: anyway, if i end up winning that thing it'll make a pretty great story. enough for an autobiography at any rate.
mircea_popescu: "how i challenged buffett and won millions in the process"
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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thestringpuller: I wouldn't be surprised if the price shot up to 700 for one day.
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kakobrekla: yes assbot is no fork. its written in worlds most hated language.
assbot: SatoshiLabs is not registered in WoT.
mike_c: idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.0004287 = 28.68 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.felipelalli:ba53d39c9a996d90a8e2747bcde7b7549369b170b1d50edd388b8f8788f71ddb
assbot: Successfully unrated felipelalli
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli no hard feelings
kakobrekla: the hell that is < ill tell if noone figures it out
TomServo: kakobrekla: is it emitting light or is that a reflection?
TomServo: hmph, one of those 'air motion' tweeters?
TomServo: er, ribbon tweeter is the common name?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96991 @ 0.0004412 = 42.7924 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: yeah, almost 100 years old invention - a ribbon twitter, in open baffle
kakobrekla: in a normal speaker you have a coil suspended in magnetic field and that moves the (small) cone with terrible side effects
kakobrekla: here alu foil is suspended in a magnetic field and acts as a coil with huge surface
TomServo: pretty cool. Is that a custom box?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. << tablets, "smartphones"
ben_vulpes: <davout> asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind << me too, me too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64908 @ 0.00042457 = 27.558 BTC [-] {3}
davout: ben_vulpes: to be completely fair there was an osx-specific bug that got my db corrupted
kakobrekla: TomServo these were custom developed for me by a friend who runs a high end speakers co.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00044448 = 17.6459 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2235 @ 0.00084006 = 1.8775 BTC [-] {7}
mats: Apocalyptic: ya. i bought at close yesterday. its up 18% nao
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, does your build script build the R.I. on obsd? (haven't had a chance to try it yet)
mod6: oh nm, i need to learn to read. thought it said OPENBSD not OPENSSL
mod6: how many times has it died?
mod6: ah, yikes. we'll keep working on the map of orphans problem into next month for sure.
mod6: I appreciate any help/guidence you can provide in that direction.
mod6: well, he was just looking at how they limit to 750 in forward versions right?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 05:26:57; mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00042281 = 14.439 BTC [-]
mod6: we want to get this thing running on openbsd, but in the 5 minutes i looked at it, iirc there was a database version change and maybe another thing or two that needed to change. can't recall off the bat.
mod6: but yeah, that's one of the goals for this year is to get it going there.
gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819
☟︎ trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment
trinque: in terms of a programming environment, SQL dominates this "wad of json" business
trinque: talked with ben_vulpes last night about the deedbot "publisher" service, which does the blockchain timestamping
mike_c: asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing.
trinque: what we came up with was just rolling forward from the transaction which funded deedbot first and finding spendable outputs each time, then using one to stamp
mike_c: no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change
trinque: seems like with a well-thought-out schema this is a trivial sql query
mike_c: so i gotta dig in more.
trinque: you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field
trinque: whose fault is the btc json thing? nosql people?
trinque: insert into raw_transaction (...) values (...); << and fuck the jsonrpc
mod6: at the top of that file
TheNewDeal: apparently a line of text at the top of a file
mod6: i think all of 'em say that now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00041933 = 10.63 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: mod6: more asking "what does copyright even mean in a world of bitcoin?"
ben_vulpes: i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write.
mod6: The Bitcoin Developers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPower Rangers
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges
mod6: well, if he removed the entire orphanMap, then it if the chain split off and became the new best chain, it can't move forward.
mod6: not sure what the specifics were there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00042693 = 11.271 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: if the chain split off where, at 144k?
mod6: well, for instance if you received the blocks out of order, and then you got the child of 144,000 a few after some others, then it can't continue
mike_c: well i just blew it away and restarted it. we'll see how it does.
mod6: thanks for the help mike_c!
mod6: we appreciate all the help that the attendants of #b-a have given to the foundation & the effort to decruft the R.I.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00042754 = 7.0972 BTC [+]
mod6: Reference Implementation
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00092493 = 2.3123 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this. <<< not reary, i don't think anyone made a big deal of it, but i'm thankful BingoBoingo and danielpbarron were able to point out this guy's lies same day i left for holidays
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Blazedout419.-5:e40b0a47992f98d407f734b54afc958da19f8e6e71a05a105ca0a0603431534b
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> im calling you j. coelho henceforth! <<< and when my son has kids, i can be.. wello coelho
assbot: You have not rated danielpbarron.
cazalla: miss me thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not :\
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cazalla: dunno, thestringpuller only know that one song of hers but then only because weird al did it first
TheNewDeal: south park did a pretty good episode with iggy, lorde, and nicki minaj
TheNewDeal: lorde was played by one of the main character's fathers, dressed in drag
trinque: I actually thought lorde was a made-up singer until recently
cazalla: trinque, yeah that is what i thought after that episode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00041725 = 25.6192 BTC [-] {2}
davout: trinque: "you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field" <<< it's a bit more complicated than that
davout: but an sql datastore would be really cool indeed
trinque: davout: what did I overlook? that was assuming everything that got stored in sql was validated by say an insert trigger
davout: not all transactions are a transaction to a pubkey
davout: some implementations will let you store the DB in a SQL store iirc
trinque: davout: right, but the balance would be "that which has been spent to me, and not subsequently spent elsewhere"
trinque: ben_vulpes tells me there's one that pulls it into postgresql too
trinque: davout: what kind of transaction does not involve a pubkey?
davout: trinque: p2sh for example
trinque: and would that be a concern of something trying to ascertain a balance
davout: not really if you only use normal addresses
fluffypony: if you receive a transaction with an NLOCKTIME in the future is that part of your balance or the sender's balance?
davout: there's also multisig, that you can do with the dedicated script, or in the p2sh fashion
davout: fluffypony: balance(t) <-- fixed :-)
trinque: fluffypony: right, the subject being this bot, in this instance
trinque: so I can constrain the domain of things I care about
trinque: simple funding transactions, simple "publishing" transactions
davout: trinque: do you intend to run a full client for deedbot's needs?
davout: i don't know shit about this one
trinque: has the same wad 'o json api
davout: the way i'd do it is simply keep an unspent out around
davout: when i have the addy to spend to for notarization, create a raw tx spending from that, and sending all the change back to the original address
davout: that way you keep one private key around, and you just need to track one txid that you reuse in the next tx
trinque: davout: I'm hesitant to keep my own count of btc when the correct value can be pulled from the node
trinque: say I send a transaction, get one confirmation, then the thing still ended up on the losing fork
davout: hrm yeah, i forgot about keeping count of the balance, for that you should be able to use the gettxout call though
davout: TheNewDeal: i don't think so
trinque: yup, that's where the "roll forward from first funding transaction's block" comes from
trinque: and then back to my rant re: holy shit this is a trivial query with well-structured data
trinque: anyhow that's what I'll do for now
davout: TheNewDeal: blockchain.info failed miserably at detecting them for a while, don't know if that's changed since, but afaik it's perfectly standard, and nodes will relay them
trinque: since the thing publishes once an hour, rolling forward doesn't seem that big a deal
trinque: each time it's funded the starting point will advance, too
davout: trinque: so you keep the txid around, query your client for the txout and work from there? not very clear on what you mean
jurov: mod6 i like the banner. not sure we're all necessarily cryptoanarchists, tho
jurov: there it alt least one cryptokyriarch
jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy
trinque: davout: we did not find a way to just "get all utxos" from btcd, could've overlooked something obvious. barring that, I can roll forward from the block where it was first funded and just chew on all the transactions from there forward looking for relevant ones
davout: trinque: if you import a private key into bitcoind you'll get the 'listunspent' call, don't know about btcd
trinque: davout: right, if I use a wallet, wallet does everything for me
davout: but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key
trinque: btcd has btcwallet, seems overkill
mod6: think we should switch to the black & hacker-green motif?
davout: if you're not using the wallet you just know the first out you spend, and you know the next one from the raw tx you create, you still need 'gettxout' to not have to follow the balance around
jurov: nah. i'm for Comic Sans on pink backgeroubd
mats: black and green is unreadable
ben_vulpes: <davout> but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat
mats: think of the poor souls that are red green colorblind
davout: ben_vulpes: bitcoind doesn't provide any way to retrieve a list of unspent outs for a key that's not in your wallet
ben_vulpes: davout shouldn't even be a concern for a "node"
mircea_popescu: trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment <<< wha happened to deedbot ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: 'tis what caused it; not working on the sqlite thing atm tho
trinque: this "oh hey we added getutxos" thing... no!
trinque: just expose the damn data; let the thing using the data decide what questions are interesting
mircea_popescu: but if you let people off the street do system design you get systems designed by people off the street.
kakobrekla: well good music is like a drug if thats what you meant
mircea_popescu: and a lot of political entrenchment and noncontent sprouting for pages.
mircea_popescu: the woodcollector guy spending weeks producing 10s of k's of words a day on the topic of nothing at all being the prototype for how that works.
trinque: mircea_popescu: open source is dead to me
cazalla: it's spanish for grandfather isn't it?
cazalla: maybe the spanish kid 2 doors down as a kid was not spanish then, nfi, that is what he use to call his grandfather
mircea_popescu: "btcd won’t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request. In response to these concerns, a section entitled “Authentication” was added to the BIP which attempts to address the concerns by simply calling them out along with some potential modifications that could happen in the future. However, we prefer to wait until the t
mircea_popescu: hings necessary to implement this functionality in a secure fashion are already in place, which Bitcoin Core should have done as well."
mircea_popescu: "The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core."
mircea_popescu: in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is. the dog learns to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore.
mircea_popescu: and im negrating anyone ever hiring him, on general principle.
mircea_popescu: davout, fluffypony < i don't think bitcoin reference supports either nlocktime or multisig.
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy << or Cryptokickyourbuttocracy why not.
mod6: thebitcoin.foundation
mod6: i just swapped it like 2 seconds ago
mod6: works pretty decent with lynx
pete_dushenski: nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block.
davout: mircea_popescu: actually both are supported
davout: multisig in two different ways
davout: and nlocktime only in the original way, not in gmaxwell's/todd's way
jurov: lol @ that time discussion
jurov: in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude
jurov: no need to invent the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24501 @ 0.00042378 = 10.383 BTC [+]
jurov: mhm, did anyone already suggest time synchronization by actually tracking heavenly bodies by outdoor camera?
trinque: jurov: heh, I think decimation did
jurov: maybe but it was understood only in philosohical sense
jurov: while it's in fact actionable idea
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:23:30; *: decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
jurov imagines going asking for roof access and number of cloudless days around DC's
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bashed quote is a clean cut, nicely done
davout: why would they hang out in the mempool?
davout: utxo maybe, but mempool i dun see
punkman: I've seen nlocktime mentioned in various microtransaction derpage, needed to help fill those 20mb blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00041888 = 24.295 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.
cazalla: i think it was only december that they announced their bitcoin killer reddit notes
punkman: is that the "moar javascript" guy?
pete_dushenski: Yum calculated that the transferred coins were worth a total of $13.4 million.
pete_dushenski: “You mean direct, one-to-one transfers?” prosecutor Timothy Howard asked Yum.
pete_dushenski: Remarkably, that total trail of drug-tainted coins represents more than four times as many bitcoins from Silk Road Ulbricht’s laptop than have yet been found and seized in the Silk Road investigation. It’s still not clear from Yum’s testimony where the rest of them ended up.
pete_dushenski: Given the mind-twisting complexity of the bitcoin blockchain for an unschooled jury, the defense may yet have plenty of room to inject doubt into the government’s analysis.
trinque: I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved
davout: wtf is south park waiting for? so much material
pete_dushenski: keep in mind that we're in late january and he promised, what, march delivery ?
trinque: End-user programming tool!
davout: bitcoin's visual basic yo
davout: fair trade programmable money on top of the blockchain technology
davout: pre-order here, receive in two weeks(tm)
trinque: b-b-but the website has that cool graph animation!
trinque: they win; they did the standard 1) build Responsive! (TM) website layout with big image at the top 2) kickstarter or the like 3) cut and run
trinque: this is how web business is *done*
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: If you want to write one up...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00042442 = 29.0303 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Flabbergasted. Bulk of txns to Ulbricht's wallets weren't tumbled, can be traced directly to Silk Road. /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
davout: "has anyone said "lolbricht" yet"
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude <
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42536 @ 0.00042357 = 18.017 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways << in any case that unpleasant side effect.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> under 4 months from hire to fire << progress.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved << his being *completely* uninvolved is improbable on the face.
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin-derp community is very... how shall we put this politely...
ben_vulpes: oh man if this kills reddit i'm going to pop a hernia laughing
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks good so far. Anything else you want to add?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6456 @ 0.00042694 = 2.7563 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: i mean i could ramble on about why reddit sucks or why altcoins suck, but that seems to be the meat of the story
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.5, Best ask: 234.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 234.49, 24 hour volume: 26344.77687968, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 242.18, 24 hour vwap: 232.064793104
ben_vulpes: i had people calling the bottom at 185
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97223 @ 0.00041636 = 40.4798 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.
Naphex: maybe he wanted to port all reddit to js :o
Naphex: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80534 @ 0.00043111 = 34.719 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50221 @ 0.00043333 = 21.7623 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: i just lold, tought id share :D
mircea_popescu: heh, the gavin idiots. "The chart below illustrates the growth in the number of transactions per day along with Bitcoin's market cap1. There is a strong correlation between the two variables2. If the correlation continues to hold, it suggests that the 1 MB blocksize limit may also limit Bitcoin's future liquidity and adoption. 1I've plotted the number of transactions excluding popular addresses to remove the on-chain
mircea_popescu: gambling bubble of 2012/2013. This has only a minor effect on the 2014/2015 portion of the data."
mircea_popescu: so... a) correlation = causation ; b)i've doctored the data so correlation = the causation i wish to see.
mircea_popescu: this is like... the "global warming" consensus all over again.
mircea_popescu: "here's how we extrapolate data in the past to create a dataset which we arbitrarily call historical, on which we extrapolate a future. and here's how we've fixed it all to look a certain way. no matter that anything put through this mixer would look like a golf club, including most random distributions"
mircea_popescu: really, usg : hire smarter people. i know that obama was wildly successful by promising a bunch of losers unprecedented financial incentives to voice for him, and i know that for that reason it WORKS for him to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit, like most recently claiming that inviting the president of israel "breaks protocol" because it could be seen as supporting a side in the coming elections, while his staff i
mircea_popescu: s actually in israel working for the other side in those same elections, not to mention the mess in the ukraine.
mircea_popescu: i know this stupid shit works for the low information voters that constitute the libertard america. figure it out : these people do not actually matter.