danielpbarron: i'm trying to buy a cd but it doesn't look like they sell one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19953 @ 0.00042327 = 8.4455 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Haiku >> BeOS resurrection attempt. Neverming that BeOS and the BeBox were Power PC
BingoBoingo: Also bebox was one good looking piece of hardware
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9598 @ 0.00040889 = 3.9245 BTC [-]
jurov: i can't find myself :'(
mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name.
jurov: i guessed it right
mike_c: magicaltux is just past 3 o'clock. lots of thick red lines incoming :)
jurov: yes,. guessed that too
brendafdez: I was considering seeing that most anyone is running a ponzi scheme on facebook, I wouldn twant to miss out, but your opinion on the matter would be greatly appreciated. What would you consider an appropriate domain name?
brendafdez: Either for the ponzi scheme or for a perosnal blog, i'm still not sure which one to do first ;)
brendafdez: i did read the DNS post, thankfully my own name and the domain i use for pretty much everything start with br already
jurov: ^my ideas, free to use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040889 = 5.152 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: If you really want to run a ponzi scheme you might be better off on Friendster. Facebook is pretty much a law enforcement honeypot anymore.
brendafdez: I meant bitcoin instead of facebook, I trid to replace the word later ;)
BingoBoingo: And ponzi schemes are so passe. Better just go back to the old Black Hand racket.
jurov: brendafdez: won't you rather do an affiliate for honest-to-God dice game?
brendafdez: provable fairness is not my cup of tea
brendafdez: well, honestly, i was kidding with the ponzi scheme, even though I own the domain ponzify.me which i think will serve me well sometime in the future. During a bad hangover I thought it would be a good idea to so something there, along the lines of a game which simulates a ponzi scheme, but open and hones, where all funds received in each round are distributed in their entirety, and I only profit from a small fee deducted from each, and the hash
mod6: mike_c: that's an awesome graph. did you generate that?
cazalla: brendafdez, don't the good ideas come prior to the hang over?
brendafdez: if they were to come i wouldn't care much about the timing
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3934 @ 0.00076217 = 2.9984 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25237 @ 0.00040889 = 10.3192 BTC [-]
mod6: decimation: so, a guy had some patches to make it build on obsd and it's on github, but it's like v0.9x iirc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.0004084 = 7.1674 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: last I remember, I asked in here and BB was using a forward version on obsd that he got working, but he said it wasn't stable.
mod6: no real big effort has been undertaken to get the RI (v0.5.3.1) on to openbsd yet.
mod6: I put like 8-10 hours into it in the beginning of January, but got side tracked before I got too far.
decimation: I had it running (0.5.3) on openbsd awhile ago
mod6: how did it work for you?
decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely << i like how you're implying i know anything about cpp
mod6: did it require any patches to source?
mod6: yeah, ok, seems about the same as fbsd
decimation: I would be surprised if they were remarkably different, other than the versions of supporting libs
mod6: i guess i can give it a shot. because im out of ideas on this bug on fbsd.
mod6: i've got a obsd 5.6 vm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00040764 = 13.2891 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: i'm currently using znc and i hate hate HATE it.
decimation: I donno. I've been looking around and there don't seem to be very many maintained bouncers
decimation: it doesn't seem like a very hard problem
ben_vulpes: i was very happy when i was running an emacs irc client on a remote host over mosh.
decimation: irc seems to be about 100x more complicated than it needs to be
ben_vulpes: but then i got all grumpy about having to maintain multiple sets of finger macros for the emacs-in-terminal vs the emacs-in-xserver
ben_vulpes: decimation: i don't know that this was a good decision.
ben_vulpes: maybe i should run an x server on the remote host as well!
decimation: yeah I think I would pick the finger-macros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040757 = 15.2635 BTC [-]
decimation: if you are gonna go that route you might as well use vnc or other 'slim' window-network protocol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00041715 = 13.2862 BTC [+]
decimation: ben_vulpes: did you figure out how to get erc to use sasl?
decimation: emacs is great, but it is annoying how you have dick around with the settings for certain poorly written extensions sometimes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040757 = 8.9869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 111 @ 0.00935 = 1.0379 BTC [+]
decimation: re laggy X < asciilifeform do you often experience sub 100 ms latencies?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00040757 = 23.15 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 1672.5535 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 365825.458696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0232 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.93, Best ask: 222.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 222.23, 24 hour volume: 7341.41273175, 24 hour low: 218.01, 24 hour high: 223.38, 24 hour vwap: 221.330426469
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00041557 = 3.9064 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2241 @ 0.00075009 = 1.681 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 228 @ 0.00551997 = 1.2586 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00041565 = 6.3179 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 204 @ 0.00577271 = 1.1776 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: i've got a script to pull archives, verify and patch on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD. Will only compile it on Linux since we're not quite there yet on *BSD, give it a try, let me know how it goes:
mod6: there is a subroutine in there to check on the openssl version, but that needs some work yet. so its commented out from execution.
mod6: and OpenBSD seems to be using "LibreSSL 2.0" by default
mod6: thestringpuller: haha
thestringpuller: how long did it take to write this script? looks more like a binary than just s cript :P
mod6: this is the 8th version.
mod6: v1-4 took like 1 evening maybe 2. spent another whole day getting it working on FreeBSD, and just an hour or two now on OpenBSD
mod6: it was pretty quick over all.
mod6: i'd much rather program this type of stuff in perl as opposed to sh/bash/ksh/csh/tcsh/zsh/ash *stab*
mod6: or search the file for XXX
mod6: also if you want it to not clean out the stuff that it builds with, change $FULL_CLEAN to FALSE
thestringpuller: do I need to download any thing or does it download everything i need?
mod6: in 1985 i was crushing other kidz in pitfall
mod6 grabs rope and swings over alligator
mod6: what are you running it on?
decimation: maybe it will compile on osx as a side effect
thestringpuller: dmesg | grep -e ".*\\s+Linux version (.*)\\s+.*" << this returns zilch for me
mod6: eh, yeah, i probably need to tidy that up a bit.
mod6: guess i tried to get too cute with that line, just change it to this:
mod6: dmesg | grep -e ".*Linux.*"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22786 @ 0.00040757 = 9.2869 BTC [-]
mod6: ill update it on my side if that works better
thestringpuller: i have all old libs needed to compile bitcoind 0.72 downloaded (boost and stuff) so it should chug on some level
mod6: the current hypothesis is that if you're not running 1.0.1g openssl you'll wedge @ 168,001
mod6: thestringpuller: eh, i could put it to stdout. just figured that it was cleaner without it. but i can add it.
mod6: after a week of banging my head on the wall, that seems to be the thing that gets me and ben past the wall.
thestringpuller: isn't version on pogoturd derived from foundations codebase?
mod6: well, the really strange thing is that it totally isnt consistant. just as recently as the 26th of January I completed full sync with v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and openssl v0.9.8o
mod6: its all in the logs and there's a permutation matrix, etc.
mod6: it'll be in the end month report... for sure
thestringpuller: maybe I missed the memo, but what does openssl do in the context of bitcoind?
mod6: yeah crypto routines
mod6: someone posted a comment in the powerranger github about a change to DER
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 01:29:45; assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1AQYAMP )
mod6: anyway, im not sure yet.
mod6: more research is required
thestringpuller: kinda weird how older clients naturally won't have heartbleed
thestringpuller: hearn wanted to merge that in iirc, something about 2-factor?
thestringpuller: I gotta run it as a different user tho cause I'm running another bitcoind rite nao
thestringpuller: unless you can set where bitcoind puts .bitcoin directory?
mod6: ok made the update in here (v0.0.8.1):
mod6: sure, you can put .bitcoin where ever you like and just do like `./bitcoind -datadir=/path/to/.bitcoin -daemon -debug &`
thestringpuller: will it `mkdir .bitcoin` on the directory or do I have to do it myself?
mod6: bitcoind will use ~/.bitcoin by default
mod6: so you probably wanna do `mkdir -p /path/to/.bitcoin`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12279 @ 0.00040757 = 5.0046 BTC [-]
mod6: ok, im gotta try to patch up this thing on openbsd and see if i can get anywhere.
mod6: aight, patched up, installing boost 1.53 on obsd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00040816 = 11.9387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00040816 = 7.4897 BTC [+]
mod6: i might have to build boost 1.42 by hand. the horror.
mod6: boost_thread is in there though... o_O
mod6: # ls /usr/local/include/boost/thr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00040745 = 6.8655 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: you need the red-ring and the magical swoard & shield for this type of thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00040816 = 1.7959 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: Conrad references and bitcoind buolds... only in #ba
TheNewDeal: Errr I guess I'm not sure if that line is ib the book
mod6: you gotta love this
mod6: /home/mod6/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/src/util.cpp:692: warning: strcpy() is almost always misused, please use strlcpy()
mod6: i'll formalize this stuff in the next few days and get it on to the list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00040647 = 7.6416 BTC [-]
mod6: (this is on debian 6)
mod6: ah. i'll add it back in. no prob. just wanted someone to look over my shoulder on that part.
mod6: that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00041245 = 7.3622 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: asciilifeform: that look better?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00041715 = 1.9627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00041715 = 2.6681 BTC [+]
mod6: obsd v0.5.3.1 got past first 2 checkpoints: "version" : 50301, "blocks" : 42307,
mod6: passed 3rd checkpoint..
mod6: one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs : dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1);
mod6: s/autoremote/autoremove/
mod6: 6th checkpoint passed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042019 = 6.3869 BTC [+]
punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions?
mod6: 7th checkpoint passed
mod6: punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl
ben_vulpes: punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind
ben_vulpes: okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment
ben_vulpes: a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman.
mod6: so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35315 @ 0.00042065 = 14.8553 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: one sec, lemme find this /. post & artcile i was reading.
danielpbarron whips out a stick and points to a random line of boost source asking, "what does this line do?"
punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does
punkman: was replaced with something named "LOCK" soon after 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety
mod6: mutual exlusion semaphore
ben_vulpes: i am full of questions as to how that's implemented
mod6: red ring + magical sword & shield required.
mod6: its hairy in there.
mod6: An adventurer is you!
ben_vulpes: doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.
ben_vulpes: assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_
mod6: i think a lot of em are, yeah.
mod6: i thought the warings at the end of the openbsd compilation were rather lulzy
mod6: gotta add a patch for that stuff
mod6: thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight
punkman: mod6, did you statically compile that last instance?
mod6: i'll rebuild with STATIC and see
ben_vulpes: forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?
punkman: not wondering about what version openssl you are using for one
punkman: and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042205 = 9.1585 BTC [+]
mod6: well, i think im just tired.
mod6: im not sure if that worked
mod6: "LMODE", not "LDMODE"
punkman: sidenote: this version uses a dozen ways to print things to stdout/stderr, needs cleanup
punkman: I can probably do that, after we decide on some standard
mod6: i still don't think i did the right thing there..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15173 @ 0.000424 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic
mod6: oh LMODE2 didn't get set.
punkman: yeah that if clause is weird
mod6: i thought the IFDEF should do that
mod6: ok here we go, one more time
mod6: alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger:
mod6: its like ~10mb larger
mod6: [1] + Segmentation fault ./bitcoind -datadir=/home/mod6/.bitcoin -daemon (core dumped)
mod6: well, thats all for me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041978 = 12.7193 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00042512 = 11.7121 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: cazalla: you should probably stop trying to have sex with it
cazalla: maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes
cazalla: it's the nzer's into sheep
cazalla: i guess nz is to australia as australia is to ussa
cazalla: fuck that lightning was so loud then
cazalla: ya know, when it strikes.. made me jump that's all
fluffypony: lightning doesn't make a noise...unless it's hitting one of those electric substations and that explodes
cazalla: then i guess that is what i meant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20439 @ 0.00042314 = 8.6486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32616 @ 0.00042526 = 13.8703 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00079303 = 1.9826 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00041853 = 14.5021 BTC [-]
assbot: enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1Ai7EuG )
fluffypony: lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC
cazalla: you know how the chinese are, scamming each other and all that
cazalla: demanding red letters full of bitcoins it seems
nubbins`: oh and i'm going to cleve-land in april
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00041853 = 14.9415 BTC [-]
hegemoOn: good morning ladies dans gentlemen
assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions | Duhaime's Anti-Money Laundering Law in Canada ... (
http://bit.ly/1MiFrqE )
hegemoOn: it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank
hegemoOn: and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack
hegemoOn: nothing related to crypto-currency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43736 @ 0.00041831 = 18.2952 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: 'Folks are like "that's poor software development practice", and I'm like "yeah, I used to have dreams too"'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00042611 = 12.5489 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00042951 = 37.1526 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00043326 = 7.0188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00043353 = 5.3107 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00043368 = 3.0206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26035 @ 0.00043647 = 11.3635 BTC [+]
davout: hegemoOn: nice, no sources tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00042269 = 12.1312 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00042285 = 16.8717 BTC [+]
assbot: openbsd-wip/patch-src_wallet_cpp at 9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1DMN3Ox )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00042285 = 4.7782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00041363 = 9.3687 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00041213 = 15.6609 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: danielpbarron, seems obvious eh
BingoBoingo: managed to build a bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on OpenBSD, alerts snipped, Fuck only know if it will sync
BingoBoingo: Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, out of curiosity why did you go for 0.7.2 ?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00042412 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Some foundation patches like alert snipping have been implemented, but no idea if this is suitable for broad distribution
BingoBoingo: 84204, over half way to the first wedge block
Adlai: why should bitcoind care the slightest about qr codes?
Adlai: you can produce them in a separate program[/computer] given just an address
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Mobile online machine, Maybe I want someone to shoot money at me from a Pnohe while watching it hit
Apocalyptic: Adlai, bitcoind shoudln't, indeed. bitcoin-qt is another program
BingoBoingo: Any ways, it is exercise to learn the new environment
BingoBoingo: changine random to arc4_random for the nonces was probably important for this build platform so catching that was importish
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, note that the use of arc4 stream cipher for randomness in something as critical as ECDSA sig nonces is... discouraged. If I remember correctly it's a bit biased
BingoBoingo: They don't use rc4 for arc4_random anymore.
punkman: people have lost money with duplicate nonces
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00040894 = 11.335 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The just changed the mnemonic device to “A Replacement Call for Random” when the parts under the hood changed
BingoBoingo: I really need to take better notes, but that was the big flag I noticed
assbot: enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1uOPPkj )
mod6: statically linking the libs into the bitcoind output binary made it cross its eyes and wet its pants lastnight
BingoBoingo: I was about to call it a night three hours ago, but now the Sun's been up forever and I can't stop watching blocks sync
mod6: after that thing blew up i was like, time for bed.
mod6: so are you running v0.5.3.1 or .7.2 ?
mod6: i gotta recompile (linking dynamically) and see if I can get past 168,001
BingoBoingo: 0.7.2 qt, tried forever on 0.8.6 qt to avoid futzing with the BDB settings. Twas a mistake. It took the better part of a day to realize leveldb is never building for my level of skill in the necessary way and two seconds to patch that BDB shit
mod6: ah, no. but recently had issues with VerifiySignature on a tx in block 168,001
mod6: that was on linux w/openssl v0.9.8o
mod6: this one uses LibreSSL 2.0
BingoBoingo: Ah, so I'm the brave fuck who will be riding LibreSSL2.0 into the block firsted
mod6: An adventurer is you!
mod6: so when the dynamic compile is done here, will start back up.
mod6: <+punkman> and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages << fwiw, i've never done this ever. should always rebuild binarys on the local environment.
mod6: ok im off and running again
mod6: shouldn't be too long before i get to where i want to be. i can't even do full sync on this vm anyway. i didnt make the vm disk big enough.
mod6: but, will set up a different vm for this later
BingoBoingo: Progress has paused, CPU usage dropped, RAM's inching up. Looks like bastards or peer stooped feeding me atm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34589 @ 0.000417 = 14.4236 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4317 @ 0.00075171 = 3.2451 BTC [-] {19}
BingoBoingo: Made it 4 more blocks, hit its own RAM limit and crashed
BingoBoingo: Well... not crashed, killed. A warrior's version of a crash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53502 @ 0.00040656 = 21.7518 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Running again, debating whether to give it more ram. Dunno it will do anything useful other than maybe take longer to crash
mod6: yeah, the latter. i wouldn't worry about it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00041766 = 13.2816 BTC [+] {2}
hegemoOn: davout: complained the artical didn't provide any source, i feed him with two others articles on the same topic
hegemoOn: if anyone interested i can c&p
mod6: you hit it on your linux box?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43359 @ 0.00040543 = 17.579 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: run this: `openssl version -a`
mod6: sometimes you do a 'getinfo' and its "busy" doing "SetBestChain" or something similar.
mod6: so just be aware of that -- sometimes it can take a /while/ to respond.
mod6: better to watch `tail -f /path/to/.bitcoin/debug.log` to see whats really actually happening.
mod6: ok 0.9.8o is the version we had problems with too though
mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
☟︎ mod6: if you do get that, please give us a pastebin of the 'getinfo' & 'openssl version -a'
mod6: maybe throw a `uname -a` in there as well
mod6: thanks for testing!
mod6: just relating that im indeed against distribution of binaries
chetty: interesting, if all packages only came as source sure would cut down on derpage on the nets, imagine reddtards have to build their own ie
mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33803 @ 0.00042197 = 14.2639 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: And if one had to build, would a derp actuall build IE?
BingoBoingo: As in make the choice to do that? Or would they actually do that because it is both hard and stupid
chetty: <BingoBoingo> Would MS let them build IE?// haha MS would never release source, thats kinda why I picked it
mod6: the checkpoint block is 168,000
mod6: but you need to really watch out for 168,001
BingoBoingo: As I typed that I though I might be missing some non-zero numbers
mod6: there would be 95% less people on the tubes if they had to compile everything themselves. ``THE BARRIER TO ENTRY IS TOO DAMN HIGH!.jpg''
Adlai: dad@dinner: "what happens when people start saving their bitcoins, rather than just spending them?"
Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 388 @ 0.00964631 = 3.7428 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: Ram usage dropped, a bunch of Orphans just found a father
danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that there are nodes out there intentionally feeding bad data for the purpose of hindering the establishment of new nodes?
mod6: danielpbarron: i don't have any evidence to support that.
mod6: doesn't mean that a few bad seeds aren't out there though. more research required.
mod6: i suppose anything is possible.
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mod6: you're on 0.7x tho right?
BingoBoingo: The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it
mod6: well, so we think. but its not really apples to apples since that code base is so much different.
mod6: but good to know anyway.
assbot: Jojatekok is not registered in WoT.
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thestringpuller: mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge?
mod6: thestringpuller: ben & I were able to pass it once we upgraded to v1.0.1g
mod6: thestringpuller: dont forget to give us a paste of the info though! plzkthx
mircea_popescu: mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. << write names inclined 30 degrees ?
mircea_popescu: moral being, don't try to be funnay with people you don't know, it never works.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin << the posix format for this is /facebook/bitcoin/ in reference to the sed command.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports << if you could document what you did exactly it'd prolly save people time.
mike_c: write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
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gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <mike_c> write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
thestringpuller: I've been using force layout via d3 to graph the lord's nodes
mike_c: yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges. igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far.
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thestringpuller: i was thinking of rendering as force layout without interactivity and then dumping the resulting SVG
mike_c: yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout
mike_c: the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down
mike_c: when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes
thestringpuller: ah d3 respond that way, it uses a different force algrotihm
mike_c: depends what you mean. you lose all sense of l1, l2
mircea_popescu: ah that. ok ok nm, im not going to speak on things i don't have before eyes.
mike_c: thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest
mike_c: lot's of ratings between l1 members for example
thestringpuller: i'm terrible with d3 tho, it's just easy to represent data interactively with it.
thestringpuller: I'll ;;later you what I come up with for L2 arrangement. These are interesting points to consider.
thestringpuller: lol playing with graphs. :P And you say you and academia don't get along.
mike_c: hm. maybe it was just the wrong academia. shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc. i guess that's a lot like academia.
ben_vulpes: peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you are the only advocate of cowboy coding I know of
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ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?!
thestringpuller: "Something something client asked me to change something on live server something something something in the logs." :)
ben_vulpes: come back with actual citations, troll
ben_vulpes: i thought the automation was implicit.
kakobrekla: what is this monologue, is noise hole polluting ?
ben_vulpes: i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla
assbot: You rated user thestringpuller on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: noise hole..
ben_vulpes: ok ok i'll do my own research next time
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mircea_popescu: Subject: Unusual activity in your American Express account From: "American Express" <no-replay@amex.com>
mircea_popescu: these would have to be quite unusual, i never owned an amex card.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. amex is retarded enough to actually allow this.
mircea_popescu: Received: from 64-178-159-35.eastlink.ca ([64.178.159.35]:63005 helo=amex.com)
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically << this is correct. consensus systems may NOT pull dynamic links. ever.
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mircea_popescu: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << you mean in the blockchain ? the thing's actually coherent.
mircea_popescu: " Look at how many responses you have received! And only because you are so blindingly stubborn and /wrong/. Be right about something, and nobody says a word, write something insightful that required much thought on your end, and you are guaranteed silence (but occasionally some uplifting mail)."
mircea_popescu: "But say something utterly boneheaded that pisses people off simply because it is so stupid that people who make such rabid mistakes must be corrected, and you get to control the whole goddamn agenda in the newsgroup for a while."
mircea_popescu: punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does << it acquires a blocking lock
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mircea_popescu: assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions << yes very logical.
mircea_popescu: france keeps at this there will be a permanent bounty on dead french statesmen, in Bitcoin. and eventually, a dead France.
JimJamReid: Hi All, I am currently conducting interviews for my university research paper on using Bitcoin as an alternative to traditional currencies, would anyone be interested in participating?
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mod6: This might be a show-stopper, will for sure need to fix before release.
mod6: Might need some help on these ones for sure.
trinque: just looks like you need something in your library path
mircea_popescu: "How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money. Money is a technology that destroys trust. Its entire purpose is to short-circuit human relationships in order to insert itself as a middleman. It makes everybody spend more money, at more emotional cost, for things that make us angry at each other. Don't offer to pay me. Seriously. If you offer me money, I will decline on principle."
mircea_popescu: check out guy with a half notion of the problem, and a thoroughly broken nonsolution
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trinque: mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
thestringpuller: mike_c:
http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << This is what sheer number of L2 users creates. Trying to modify users force but with default settings as you said it loses sight of L2, but that's cause sheer number of users in L2.
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mircea_popescu: in any case, i guess he never heard of whats-her-face, the supposed cali "poet" that did essentially the same but in the 70s, and died recently in abject poverty.
mircea_popescu: was discussed here, forgot her name. untalented as all shit, too;
danielpbarron: i know a guy who lives just like that; out of his car, refusing to work for money but not against taking handouts
mike_c: thestringpuller: quite a hairball :)
mike_c: asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off?
mike_c: you were in the field.
mike_c: it does seem to work now
danielpbarron: wtf the dude has bigger tits than the hentai chick at the top of his page.. or is that also supposed to be a dude??
thestringpuller: mike_c: I don't know how one would do Reingold-Tilford that has multiple dependencies
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i was wondering what was up with all the for loops trying to be python-like
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron stop oppressing dragons with your self-unaware patriarchical gender stereotypes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. << i for one am thankful it's not mostly javascript.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, riding on qt "for the gui" is not so different from riding on the browser.
mircea_popescu: we should count outselves lucky satoshi didn't implement bitcoin prototype as a fucking greasemonkey script.
danielpbarron: i don't think i've ever actually used the qt client
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mircea_popescu: mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops << technically speaking this is what's happening already.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road! << a winner is you, srsly.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that << nope.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right? << yeah, but from all i've seen it's a very remote one.
Adlai: well i imagine that when it happens, nobody will be able to not get it, because it'll happen rather happeningly
Adlai: so "eventually" isn't good enough
mircea_popescu: the part that actually is your place, is done. welcome to parenting!
Adlai: it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time
mircea_popescu: this is not the correct approach. make bitcoin, then let everyone make their own guis.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re: could you imaginge if Gavin was magically replaced by ryanxcharles?
mircea_popescu: i suspect ti's a case very close to the ida situation asciilifeform was deploring last week
mircea_popescu: we're so fucking lucky satoshi wasn't any good with code.
mircea_popescu: going int blabla; says : blabla between 0 and 65535 or w/e
mircea_popescu: listen, everything in a program is explicit. whethr the user is aware or not of this...
mircea_popescu: no means yes. yes means anal. it's how computiong works.
mircea_popescu: not that i disagree with the principle of making people verbalize the stuff they're abotu to do.
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mircea_popescu: lol so yest someone hit trilema in what originally looked like a ddos, except... single ip ? ~1mn pageloads ?
thestringpuller: can't wait to read on qntra one day: "Gavin Admits to Being USG Agent, Leaves Bitcoin Forever"
mircea_popescu: qntra is about news, you're thinking more in terms of daytime tv drama.
mircea_popescu: at this point i'm not even sure gavin jumping off the coq d'argent would qualify as bitcoin news.