asciilifeform: the thing is an ensemble, like gentoo
asciilifeform: and the effort required to set it up for any kind of serious work vastly exceeds the effort used to set up a gentoo box
asciilifeform: originally i thought that it would have to be a gentoo vm, but turns out that one can actually build a genuine toolchain there ! and it runs...
asciilifeform: oddest beast i ever had gentoo on was a hp pa-risc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it started up on a sacrificial gentoo box without complaint
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i highly recommend against having any manually-built gcc installed systemwide on a gentoo box; this would prevent you from using eselect
asciilifeform: sorta like if someone were to ask mircea_popescu to build ~his own~ gentoo etc.
asciilifeform: to add insult to injury, gentoo-based!
asciilifeform: gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit
asciilifeform notices that 90+% of traditional gentoo mirrors in his records are dead
asciilifeform: gentoo built on ~generic~ tar.gz plus patches.
asciilifeform: that is, on top of everything, it must contain something more or less equivalent to gentoo's 'portage'.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if i hadn't set up a fresh gentoo box a year ago, from vacuum, i would not be certain that it is possible to do so today
asciilifeform: phf: the point of gentoo, in my view (i've been on it for more than a decade, freebsd before that) is to BANISH CRAP from machine
asciilifeform: fluffypony: is the process ~exactly~ the same as on a gentoo box?
asciilifeform: came with gentoo package 'pdfminer' iirc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.
asciilifeform: give it to mircea_popescu, i think he was having problems coming up with a gentoo
asciilifeform: or whether pissed in the barrel of your gentoo when it was annealing
asciilifeform shudders at the thought of 19 ~actual keyboard hours~ somehow applied to gentoo
asciilifeform: with respect to mod6's blood, sweat, tears - gentoo on aws seems quite like the proverbial 'lipstick on the pig' imho
asciilifeform: thing is, they shipped it with gentoo
asciilifeform: several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it☟︎
asciilifeform: <mod6> meanwhile in gentoo land, kernel panic'd again << that's not a real kernel panic, again. that is a box that can't read its rootfs
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> i am still awaiting your gentoo canonical << not even objecting to the linux flavour of that box, but to the cpanel idiocy
asciilifeform: an 'automated' gentoo is of the same kind of misguided animal as graphical pgp
asciilifeform: i still want to know precisely what patch it was that made it into various non-gentoo things, that silenced the alarm bell and deceived folks into 'yes this is a static build'
asciilifeform: i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not gentoo for the (so far, hypothetical) emulated machine
asciilifeform: (when i do the thing that requires the ada, it won't be happening on openbsd. or gentoo)
asciilifeform: a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not
asciilifeform: mod6: it adopted long ago. but on account of how gentoo is designed, easily removed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: welcome to (what remains of...) gentoo.
asciilifeform: trinque: the absolute best way to do crossdev, imho, is 1) have a gentoo box and use 'crossdev' emerge tool which magically builds the toolchains correctly 2) wait for buildroot
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ... tftpd that you can install on your local machine << try 'atftp' under gentoo
asciilifeform likes various gentoo-specific things like automagic cross-compiler toolchain builder
asciilifeform went straight from msdos to freebsd, then gentoo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gentoo is afaik the last remaining bastion of sanity re: dependencies
asciilifeform is curious whether anyone here 1) does gentoo 2) did not know above recipe
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd? << complicated. if you follow the install described in the Handbook, you will almost certainly end up with systemd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: i have a working 'u-boot' for toy node (builds as CROSSDEV armv5 on x86 gentoo), working linux kernel built in same manner, boots from nand flash.
