cazalla: meh seemed preddy obvious i was responding to your question and not what random nig nogs do on twitter
kakobrekla: things you dont love with all your heart. sys admin, pythoning, stuff like that
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> meh seemed preddy obvious i was responding to your question and not what random nig nogs do on twitter << srsly. "Black digital inteligentsia" ? can we get back to not caring about rihanna spears or w/e it was.
mircea_popescu: sounds perfectly yidish, like, "bitch you gotta jlop for tonite" or "what's she all jlop't up for"
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:11:06; phf: that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit
mircea_popescu: apparently it has a long tradition in hosting weirdos :D
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:14:41; mircea_popescu: (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know.
ben_vulpes: over my head, asciilifeform. as though i were five, please?
trinque: tsipras was the greek minister of used to work at valve or something
ben_vulpes: wait, is it /their/ MIT or the USG MIT?
mircea_popescu: this thing is like an endowment in stuff and things chairdom.
mircea_popescu: unless they add rape to the meaning of "automatique" i don't see the immigrants that interested in derping pascal.
mircea_popescu: i don't know what the fuck they do, past "nothing usable or useful since 1990s"
mircea_popescu: coincidentally - since the previous wave of orcs hit yurp.
mircea_popescu: arguably in the same circumstances : usg derpiong finally crashed a local power sturcture, waves of ro/bg/polish/east german etc came crashing down
mircea_popescu: zee germans still haven't dug their way out from under the deluge of "nordic system"
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mircea_popescu: i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: got slavski > slanski ; malenko > beria, abakumov, > hruschiov etc. not bad tbh
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 17:36:44; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: since you apparently missed the whole thread, the reason is TO HAVE A PORTABLE UNIX BOX THAT EVEN SORT-OF WORKS
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 17:49:44; asciilifeform: it just requires having-been-doing-it-since-2000
mircea_popescu: there was an efim pavlovich slavsky working for the "medium machine building" soviet nuke programme.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 19:20:34; asciilifeform: if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work.
ben_vulpes: doors are costly because 'entrepreneurs' cannot afford the space burn on walls.
ben_vulpes: that just speaks to the incompetence of your own managerial staff.
mircea_popescu: you probably also sit around and wait to "be seated" in restaurants ?
ben_vulpes: you're too wrapped up in this su/germanic "omg the inquistor is right around the corner" routine
mircea_popescu: and he answered, in writing, with "get fucked and send your wife."
mircea_popescu: apparently the magic words of "i don't recall asking you anything" weren't invented in the us yet or something.
ben_vulpes: was it going to go on his PERMANENT RECORD!?
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny how the 2008 festival bought TONS of "not making mortgage - get fucked" folks
mircea_popescu: they're like retarded women, these people. fucking is bad, and may only be done if "overcome".
mircea_popescu: woman may not agree to fucking and usian may not tell the politruk to get lost.
ben_vulpes: sherrif is only sent for troublemakers.
ben_vulpes: in the year of 'nobody paying mortgate', sherriff has better things to do with his time.
ben_vulpes: of which there remain a few, your outrageous claims to the contrary aside.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik the way usg works, the check shows up no matter what
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: It certainly does, just yesterday I heard a girl maybe a few years older myself bragging (in a thick western accent) about her mother doing Cocaine and Ecstasy while heavily pregnant, and how "she turned out alright"
williamdunne: She was dressed up all goth-like and spoke like a retard so can't imagine she was that good
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or better yet, if you feel like having some fun with the system, you go and recite moscow urchin begging poem
ben_vulpes: just because *you* don't believe in the cascadian paradise by no means you get to ignore it.
ben_vulpes: srsly enough with this 'woe is everyone upon us soil' routine.
ben_vulpes: a hundred dollar bicycle is barely worth trucking to the playa.
ben_vulpes: one can in fact have a bicycle just for the asking there. no purchase or transport needed!
ben_vulpes: what, something that creaks around or something that someone who enjoys the sport would ride?
kakobrekla: i bought a cheapest usable bike this spring, its 500+.
mircea_popescu: but you can spend as much as you want to spend on a bike. consumer item.
ben_vulpes: has it, but it's an oddity and not fit for grown-male-use.
ben_vulpes: a robust fixed-gear with durable parts will set one back 300.
ben_vulpes: i have a hydroformed aluminum frame because i like to taunt death.
ben_vulpes: cost the same? what, inflation-adjusted?
ben_vulpes: what, ten dollars a hundred years ago?
hanbot imagines mircea_popescu absolutely slaughtering 'the price is right'
ben_vulpes: i'm sure those prices had a great deal to do with the market value of the things, advertising to chumps alongside the cock lengtheners and pheromone emitters
ben_vulpes: now mebbe there's an inflation indicator: the pheromone vial
ben_vulpes: it has to target the same grade of moron at all times, after all
ben_vulpes: the actual workouts seem to have won out finally
ben_vulpes: crossfit 'tis one thing whose success is incontrovertible.
ben_vulpes: "it works if you work it, so keep working it until it works!"
kakobrekla: > best source is the back pages of old (period) american magazines < here the currency on the mags changed so frequently i couldnt keep track, from din to sit to euro, prolly some dem in between.
ben_vulpes to apply another coat of finish to the molding
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 21:33:51; mircea_popescu: no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 22:29:17; phf: quitting school? that's a paddling
ben_vulpes: at which point the paddlers may attempt to paddle or they may beat a hasty retreat.
trinque: heh, Randy Blythe of Lamb of God was locked up with that guillotine for supposedly killing a kid by shoving him off the stage
trinque: "A thousand years of failure, a thousand years they bled. To the bear, the blitzkrieg, and the holy father, they just bowed their heads." << I don't know how accurate an assessment of the Czechs that is, but it makes me lol
trinque: from the (relatively mediocre) metal song he wrote in response, "Still Echoes"
mircea_popescu would like them to go back to bohemia. czech is too hard to spell.
mircea_popescu: iirc my grandfather only got as far as the tatra mountains
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 00:19:29; mircea_popescu: i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it
pete_dushenski back from much longer visit to auto mechanic than expected. still, all is well with saddam. in fact, he drives 'better than new s-class' according to fellow who's driven both
cazalla: pete_dushenski, how is it on fuel economy?
pete_dushenski: and now with no rust on front fenders thanks to a fortuitous shop accident that resulted in denting the hood, which needed to be painted after being replaced, and allowed me to piggyback on paint shop time and repair a cosmetic deficiency i may never have bothered with!
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 00:39:19; mircea_popescu: clearly the internet has so much helped
pete_dushenski: currently reading montaigne's essays and the aeneid on gutenberg. the latter's translation is exceptional, far better than the 2 bit fucking audiobook i'm reading in parallel with it.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 00:52:36; williamdunne: She was dressed up all goth-like and spoke like a retard so can't imagine she was that good
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 00:56:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: update me, what are they worth today
pete_dushenski: new one has some neater features, but inflation hasn't worked in favour of country of manufacture. old one was built in canada, new one... taiwan.
pete_dushenski: 'neater features' include integrated headlights in handlebar and 'internal hub' gears (no external derailer, rubber 'chain' instead of metal)
pete_dushenski: 'designed in germany' but fuck, might as well be 'designed by apple in california'
pete_dushenski: i remember being impressed that pack of 20 (?) marlboros was <$1 when they'd have been >$10 here
pete_dushenski: there were smokes that were actually ~less than a penny per~. i was tempted to pick up the habit then and there
pete_dushenski: the cheap ones being 'local' brands i'd never heard of and can't recall now
pete_dushenski: they make an 11-speed and that'd be the only change i'd make
pete_dushenski: 8 is just ok, needs another two at the top and one at the bottom end
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i am suspicious of these internally geared thingers
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that they won't hold up to the kind of thrashing i put my machines through
ben_vulpes: explicating // to new macbooks left as exercise for logreaders
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pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'm similarly skeptical but there's been nary a hiccup in the first season at least. it'll take another few before i can say much more than that.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and how many macbooks have you burnt through in past 5-7 years ?
pete_dushenski: i have '08 aluminum that's a bit bogged down with cruft but otherwise excellent
pete_dushenski: and '13 'air' with two keys that have their bad days (delete, a) and a weird screen deformity that makes everything a bit washed out but isn't worth $1k to fix
pete_dushenski: then again, i almost certainly don't push them as hard as you do
pete_dushenski: i'm just doing web, text, odd bit of video, once-in-a-blue-moon editing
pete_dushenski: 1. 'air' is sealed tighter than an 80yo nun, 2. it's like once a month for some reason.
pete_dushenski: well shows what i know about wrenching on apple hardware!
pete_dushenski: i also recently cracked open ~2kg of dead tree goodness : a history of private lives, volumes i-iv
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. this is the only one i've yet cracked
pete_dushenski: i have it right in front of me and i see neither 'troat' nor 'hunting' in the index. hmm
pete_dushenski: ^ shame that images are missing. the artwork collected therein is really quite lovely
pete_dushenski: "The old Celtic practice today known as chasse au brame, troat-hunting, involved placing a rutting stag in a U-shaped trap of trees and nets; when the stag began to troat, does and other stags would approach and be caught."
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
pete_dushenski: "Nationwide The building society says its customers can withdraw up to £2,000 per account a day. “However, if they want to withdraw more than £500, it is best to pre-book the amount with the branch to ensure that it has the cash available." << derp/
pete_dushenski: £500 buys what in england these days, a sweatshirt ? a rental car for the weekend ?
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assbot: Ad blocking in Apple's iOS 9 highlights rift over ads with app publishers | GamesBeat | Games | by Dean Takahashi ... (
http://bit.ly/1EV8PD4 )
cazalla: at least you have the option to use ublock with ff now.. doesn't apple have it's own ad network though, iads if memory serves
pete_dushenski: for apps, yes. i guess they're moving that philosophy over to safari or w/e
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assbot: Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/1i7Guig )
mircea_popescu: assbot> Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Don’t bank on being allowed | << the advantage of the internet. what "bank run" ? sit at the computer and cry like the little bitch that you are.
mircea_popescu: actualy, drones that broadcast the cries of injured children / burn unit victims / rape victims etc would make a pretty decent terrorism application.
mircea_popescu: Regretfully, all the aspirations of “reformers” of American mathematical education go in the opposite direction. Mastery of algorithms makes students self-sufficient - get away from it, make them dependent on Texas Instruments. Logical proofs develop
mircea_popescu: students’ mental discipline - get away from them also. Traditional word problems allow to determine the right answer - get away from them also.
mircea_popescu: What the “reformers” promote, that is open-ended problems, “real-world” problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teacher’s mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~
☟︎ Naphex: punkman: this guy scammed ~100mil $ USD from dumb americans and then moved to budapest and went insane :)
Naphex: actually met this guy in Budapest when a friend of mine got sent by his rich mother to help solve his cluster headaches
Naphex: one of the most insane experiences in my life lol
Naphex: he is now selling SCIO 'bio-resonance' machines for ~25k USD around europe
Naphex: hi device obviously cure everything from cancer to aids
mircea_popescu: wait. a transvestite scammed a bunch of retarded usians for 100mn ?
Naphex: well before he was a tranvestite
Naphex: he is scamming europeans as a tranvestite
Naphex: his lakeys play it like his a insane genius
Naphex: he assumed the life of Bill Nelson (some us senator that worked for nasa) since their name is so similar
Naphex: it's pure crazyness. and people still fall for it
Naphex: this is his 'amazing' device
Naphex: they still hold seminars and sells and other junk around
Naphex: and bribe doctors to present/have the device or call it interesting
Naphex: has a 8 story block in budapest that houses everything from the programmers and device developers, to makeshift porn studios
Naphex: i was trying to explain my retarded rich friends that he was a scammer and gave them resources
Naphex: the responses i got back 'well if you're so smart, why don't you have 100mn"
mircea_popescu: Naphex apparently he's been working at it for 25 years. which may explain why he has "100mn" and you don't.
Naphex: but it's pure crazyness you shouldn't even be able to fall for this shit with a IQ higher than 75
Naphex: but it works and people shower him with moneys
mircea_popescu: QX Ltd. has stated that more than 3,000 Xrroid devices have been sold worldwide. The 2002 price for the interface device, software, user manual, and basic training was $13,000.
Naphex: sec i'll find the article that referenced the 100mn
mircea_popescu: Records from the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia indicate that Nelson was indicted for mail fraud in June 1996 and was placed on the fugitive list several months later
mircea_popescu: "Upon studying the software I also found pornographic images embedded in it, for what reason I was unable to determine."
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assbot: How one man’s invention is part of a growing worldwide scam that snares the desperately ill | The Seattle Times ... (
http://bit.ly/1XYTZ4E )
Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's a full blown cult, and the programs are extended with training and all other social bullshit that will cost everyone
Naphex: and his recent devices cost some 25k
mircea_popescu: well honestly... i'd much rather a deranged tranny get all the moneys, than a bunch of retards getting to keep it.
mircea_popescu: at least he's lulzy. these idiots are just stolidly boring.
Naphex: they are in a rush also to give him money so..
Naphex: well i guess this guys quantum devices get tumors to fall off o.O;
Naphex: 5 sessions and an in-operable tumor just fell off
Naphex: anyway my whole experence was 3 weeks trying to prove my rich friend and his mother that his aa scammer; this culminated in dinner with him in budapest
mircea_popescu: fell off, hitting the amygdala and bruising the brainstem, causing death.
Naphex: and spending the night in his guest room at his hq
mircea_popescu: so didja get him to invest in a new invention like quantum teledildonics or something ?
cazalla: Naphex, not even worth your time, they want to be scammed - my mother is/was into John Edwards as is an aunty, and they rave about him, went to a live show and all
Naphex: nah I passed; too much crazyness; he does pay shitloads of guys insane money for building his scam sites / software and everything else
cazalla: no, the speaking with dead people one
cazalla: you know, a few years ago i put an advertisement in gumtree (aussie craigslist) for free psychic readings and you would not believe the barrage of phone calls
punkman: cazalla: so why don't you have $100mil yet
cazalla: punkman, well it was for a laugh, not to actually scam monies
mircea_popescu: i suppose ima retire to this, eventually. "i will guess how much your bike cost!"
BingoBoingo: Oh, TI-92 arrived yesterday. Much larger than I imagined
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop
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punkman: "According to the 2012 census, the total population was 44,928,923. The under 15 age group represented 44.1% of the population." << tanzania's pretty young eh
phf: asciilifeform: btw i take back 'inria was once useful' << inria is behind caml and presently maintains ocaml, they also do Cog, but i think that's pushing the limit of "useful"
cazalla: i wonder if there is a tanzanian bitcoin embassy
phf: i know there's some tension between yaron minsky's (of jane street capital) extensions to core library and inria's core, but someone with better knowledge of language can chime if inria is in the wrong
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phf: ben_vulpes: also it was 90s russia, lots of people did "revenue numbers are none of your goddamn concern", and it mostly looked like playing lottery. shipping european clothing from turkey, or driving bmw's from germany for resale, all the while hoping that your criminal "roof" was stronger then the neighbor's
phf: unless you come across a genuine opportunity (e.g. your uncle is a general, or your dad was director of a factory/storage/pipeline), imho it was basically like throwing out genuine education for half a million dollars in cash
phf: i suspect that mp made profit on the decade since he's a bit older then myself, i started at the tail end, and when king yeltsin abdicated that was pretty much the end of it
mircea_popescu: lol. people were still insisting "it's never gonna end" in 2004.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moral therein being : it's much better to spend stormy weather in a lake than in an ocean. which is why people figuring on doing the whole "survivalist" schtick in the us are basically retarded.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : 500k in cash is still a better deal than what present day usians get. they still have no education, but -500k in cash to go with it too.
mircea_popescu: i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me.
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assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 09:38:51; mircea_popescu: i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me.
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2015 20:01:05; ascii_modem: for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 07:35:35; mircea_popescu: What the “reformers” promote, that is open-ended problems, “real-world” problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teacher’s mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 08:28:00; BingoBoingo: Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop
thestringpuller: hahahaha. i'm excited for 'creative' user-agents in the future
chetty: << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy.// is there a thumb equivalent of carpal tunnel yet?
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski remarkably few, actually. i have one 15" mbp from ~08 i think that's holding up remarkably well.
ben_vulpes: myriad other office devices in various stages of decrepitude.
ben_vulpes: might be 2010, now that i think of it.
trinque listens to the neighbor kid screaming "no" at his single mother for the 8th time
trinque: my parents would've cracked my ass the other direction by now
thestringpuller: “The C.E.O. has to be the virus,” Mr. Huang said. “To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day.”
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << it has a keyboard. and this was before the age of 'must use a toothpick for this qwerty' idiocy. << It is truly a more impressive machine than I was anticipating. The screen is actually usefully large.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 cukes worked swimmingly, thanks again.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: re: the cost of bicycles -- i'm reminded of your rant about how in computing, there's no "professional grade equipment", i.e. people who code for a living are using the same hw as people who check facebook all day long
nubbins`: $100 will buy you what is commonly referred to as a BSO -- a Bicycle-Shaped Object
nubbins`: $500+ will buy you something you can rely on to, e.g., get you to work/school/market every day for years without failure
nubbins`: most of the cost is in components; a frame is a frame (to some extent), but having your brake discs machined vs stamped from sheet makes a big difference for longevity as well as maintenance
nubbins`: most cheap bicycles simply do not work for any reasonable definition of "work"
nubbins`: constant chain derailments, heavy friction wear from parts grinding, frame failures from bad welds...
nubbins`: it's not uncommon for serious cyclists (touring 100km+, racing, etc) to purchase high quality steel frames that were made 20+ years ago
☟︎ trinque: didn't these people see Children of Men?
nubbins`: this whole refugee thing is really bringing the complete fucking idiots out of the woodwork
trinque: they're the ultimate victims
trinque: and the socialist state loves those
nubbins`: lots of people pointing to pictures of, e.g., mattresses & trash left behind in train stations, refugees holding "$600 cell phones"
☟︎ nubbins`: as if somehow it makes more sense to bring a goddamn mattress on a train instead of your only link to the outside world
nubbins`: as if the mattresses were not brought there by local citizens
nubbins`: as if you can't buy a used smartphone for $100
shinohai: Just ignore the problem and play refugee Mario.
nubbins`: i'm actually playing captain toad treasure tracker atm
trinque: mega-lol @ germany committing to allowing in a million refugees and closing its borders within a span of days
nubbins`: "look, see? refugees throwing rocks at police" under a photograph of a football riot from 2012.
nubbins`: trinque my understanding is that it's not the numbers but the timing.
nubbins`: i can drink 18 beers, but not in an hour
trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable
☟︎ nubbins`: the cynic in me wonders if the whole "refugee quotas" thing is germany's push to cripple other EU economies
shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few.
☟︎ trinque: whether it's intended, it surely will head that direction.
nubbins`: "saudi arabia can house X refugees, why aren't they heading there?"
trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees.
☟︎ nubbins`: as if anyone in the fucking world wants to live in saudi arabia
nubbins`: might as well suggest the refugees head to usa.
trinque: really, no one says there has to be any sane solution
☟︎ trinque: heh, the era of the clusterfuck
nubbins`: this whole part of the country i live in was mainly settled by irish escaping the potato famine
nubbins`: refugees escaping an oppressive regime
☟︎ nubbins`: and we're (arguably) doing ok now
trinque: the distinction I see is that those were still rather culturally similar to the folks already there, no?
trinque: muslims seem to be a few degrees more willing to go apeshit in the streets, or worse
trinque: and I'm imagining *that* demanding ever more socialism
nubbins`: trinque, if you'd asked the british whether the irish were rather culturally similar, they'd have said no
trinque: it seems to be the perfect thing to suck the socialist state completely dry
nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government
☟︎ nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim
☟︎ nubbins`: just tired of boots on their throats
nubbins`: will be quite the spectacle either way, yep.
nubbins`: o look, one of the local prostitutes seems to be pregnant
danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271941 << I got arrested in the principal's office when a librarian who had a grudge against me (she was the mother of some kids in the military and didn't like that i didn't stand for the "pledge of allegiance") ratted me out for yelling "i'm gonna kill you" (not in earnest, it was just the thing to say at the time) at some kids who made a habit of teasing me
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 22:49:42; cazalla: trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days
trinque: american public school is prison
trinque: they want you to know that they can bring you back to prison at any moment
nubbins`: in fairness, you guys are all pretty weird
nubbins`: cazalla i had a similar device to your sky3ds or w/e for my original DS
trinque: nubbins`: trying to stamp out weird is precisely the sin of the socialist state
trinque: weird is where everything interesting comes from.
danielpbarron: oh and I think I have a "3ds" that someone left with me as collateral over a bitcoin deal and later said keep it
trinque: let the cattle have their safe public school where they memorize a few useful facts, and let the miscreants join some academy where their mistakes blow their hands off
nubbins`: trinque only the socialist state?
nubbins`: danielpbarron let's go halfsies on a game
danielpbarron: i'm looking up images now, and it looks like i might have the "DS"
nubbins`: i think they look pretty similar
nubbins`: i had two actual DS carts (mario kart korean version, advance wars 2) before i bought an SD loader
trinque: nubbins`: not at all; the western christian church has gotten equally boring.
danielpbarron: i'll try to find out which it is and get back to you, but if it's compatible I think i'd like to take you up on the offer
nubbins`: luckily for me, all the text in korean mario kart was just transliterated english
nubbins`: danielpbarron seems so. and there's a level creation/sharing thing
nubbins`: so you can grab cool new levels that others have created, etc
nubbins`: we had a few lemmings games, always fun
nubbins`: the game's only $20usd, but they give you the wii u AND 3ds versions with purchase, and i don't have a 3ds
trinque: ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS
☟︎ nubbins`: lemmings is actually why we bought our first mouse
danielpbarron: oh i just realized i was thinking of a different game, but this one was also great.
nubbins`: you were thinking of Worms, maybe?
danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways
☟︎ cazalla: danielpbarron, copper asked me multiple time if i actually had guns heh, this was shortly after the columbine shootings mind you
cazalla: nubbins`, the sky3ds is pretty sweet, but will only load 3ds games, not backward compatible
nubbins`: i had an R4DS cart for my ds, took microsd
cazalla: apparently there are better carts than the sky3ds but at the time, that is all that was available for the firmware my 3ds has
trinque: what parent would let cops and bureaucrats educate their children at all?
cazalla: trinque, parents who would rather be doing something else than parenting
trinque: kid: "I'm going to kill you all." parent: *SLAP* kid: "I'm very sorry."
nubbins`: isn't robert mugabe the current head of the AU?
trinque: danielpbarron: this game with the dominoes looks fun
danielpbarron: yeah i'm still watching the video, makes me want to get it again
cazalla: trinque, tbh, that made me even more determined, not saying not to hit kids but i think it needs to be applied in a manner my own parents failed to do
nubbins`: 1 level left to complete in captain toad
trinque: cazalla: sure, I only got my ass kicked when I was being a moron.
trinque: and I still have all my parts functional
trinque: and I think on the other side, without that, you leave the child without the ability to exercise self-restraint at all
trinque: like my oft-mentioned case of seeing the kid punching his mother in the tit at the grocery store
trinque: isn't just a disservice to her; that kid's going to be fucking useless
cazalla: not sure, but i think that is pretty normal for kids to lash out at their parents
cazalla: of course now, the parents don't respond by hitting back but by taking the kid through a circus of doctors
trinque: sure it's normal once, and normal for the kid to be corrected right then
trinque: this bitch was like "Now whateveryourname, that isn't very nice is it?"
cazalla: let's say she turns around and clips the kid across the face, in public
cazalla: you'd have no shortage of do-gooders running to the kid's rescue.. difficult to raise kids properly in the welfare state because big daddy comes and clips you one too
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:51:08; trinque: really, no one says there has to be any sane solution
nubbins`: as if being not very nice is a thing this animal would abhor
trinque: just appeal to his inner reason!
nubbins`: nevermind that his brain won't work like that for another half-decade at best
trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
☟︎ nubbins`: "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to a 3yo
nubbins`: as if "take you" has any meaning to a toddler
cazalla: i don't think dishing out some old fashioned discipline to the toddler is really going to help either
trinque: well no, cartman had cunning; I wont give him that compliment
nubbins`: anyway, i'm way too selfish and irresponsible to sire a child
nubbins`: so all this is "other people's problems"
trinque: seems a simple formula: If you hit this thing that feeds you, it's going to kill you instead.
cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
☟︎ cazalla: at least that is what i've observed with my own son.. telling him no does seem to encourage the behaviour more, so we usually ignore or draw as little attention to it as possible
trinque: I'm advocating the swift kick in the ass, not saying "no".
trinque: and I understood that just fine when I was little
cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time
☟︎ trinque: ah sure that young, they're going to scream and do all sorts of nonsensical things
trinque: but when they start developing a personality, that's where I think you can do great damage by not teaching them self-restraint
trinque: or more specifically allowing them to think that the world is something which brings you what you want when you scream
danielpbarron: nubbins`> "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to a 3yo << reminds me of this odd phrase a friend's son uses: "what's it gonna do to me?" // I suspect it's the result of public school teaching him that anything not blessed by the state is dangerous
trinque: cazalla: I'd say by about 2 or 3 you could encounter a mild pop on the ass in my family for screaming fits and other carrying on
cazalla: trinque, i copped it from a young age too and these are the only memories I have around the ages of 4-5 , not convinced it would actually do my son any benefit
cazalla: of course, was more than a kick in the ass
cazalla: so perhaps you're right and it's just the dosage
trinque: difference between medicine and poison right?
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cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
☟︎ cazalla: kids are sorta like housing in that you're expected to pay for it, look after it, maintain it but in no way can you actually do what you want with it because you don't really own it.. as mentioned here many times
trinque: at least when the dulap comes they can claim they helped make the kid, lol
cazalla: run more windows, raised more kids in the western world type deal eh
nubbins`: canada sold all its gold, save 3 tons, in ~2006
nubbins`: BET THERE'S A STORY WE'LL NEVER HEAR BEHIND THAT
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nubbins`: if you sent aliens an accurate picture of the current state of affairs, they'd turn us into space dust
trinque: god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space
☟︎ BingoBoingo: anton_osika: There really anything I can advise other than working to develop a time machine so you could have made better backups.
BingoBoingo: Or maybe try to uncorrupt youre backup, but I have no idea where you could start on that
anton_osika: Right, the way I see it is just that I had a business deal regarding delivery but I lost my hands so I can sign no more documents.
BingoBoingo: Well, you've not only lost your hands, you've lsot the idea of having hands
trinque: the idea that the contract is tied to the gpg identity is inherent to the very fact that the fucking thing's signed by that gpg key
anton_osika: I see it as fingerprints as a tool for simplifying proofs of physical identities, not replacing them. Might be good for the sake of lowering worries when entering contracts to be able to specify point of delivery, if unquestioned, with an alternative identification?
anton_osika: trinque: It's not explicitly tied to a gpg key in the contract, rather antonosika
nubbins`: looks like it's tied to a payout address and nothing else
trinque: anton_osika: it specifies your key fingerprints right there
anton_osika: nubbins`: You mean the BTC payout address is enough?
nubbins`: anton_osika not my contract so i have NFI. but i don't see anything in there that requires you to take any further action
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of the contract between you and me I have learnt a lot.
anton_osika: I still don't see that it explicitly states that antonosika needs a signature for delivery however :)
anton_osika: Could you let me have this with my freenode auth, if no one else claims to be antonosika, and I will stop pestering you and how is a man of his words?
mircea_popescu: mnop. cuz i don't want to encourage the world of nubins and anton_osika. i want to encourage the world of wot and signatures.
mircea_popescu: the way i see it, it would be inspirational of undesirables.
mircea_popescu: this way, it's inspirational of the people i actually like.
nubbins`: lel. maybe you shoulda worded the contract such.
trinque: there's no "eth" payout address in the contract
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I see it as encouraging for new users to use WoT without being afraid.
anton_osika: Well the power of WoT lies in how large it will scale.
phf: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought. << have one of those, you can manually switch with some hacks which video card is used at all times, i have it running on integrated, which prevents real 3d from happening, but hopefully extends life
nubbins`: oh look at that, the contract literally does not state how the ETH will be delivered
trinque: nubbins`: yeah, just that some guy with a particular gpg key would receive the eth
nubbins`: specifically, this snipped sealed your fate: "in a manner to be agreed upon thence"
anton_osika: My aim was to settle this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be a backup for WoT then it might strengthen WoT.
nubbins`: since you can't prove you're you, nothing can be agreed upon thence
mircea_popescu: there exists no suych thing as "physical credibility".
mircea_popescu: this is crypto land. cryptographical credibility is required, and it has a unique and very clearly defined underpinning.
anton_osika: nubbins`: Would you say the same thing to someone that Lost his right hand for signing documents and is looking you dead in the face?
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: How do you mean clearly defined underpinning?
nubbins`: anton_osika you're asking me if i would reach the same conclusion if the situation were entirely different?
nubbins`: FWIW, you can still sign documents without hands.
mircea_popescu: i mean that without your signature you have no rights and properly speaking don't even exist.
nubbins`: the illiterate used to draw an X. you could do that with your mouth.
nubbins`: there is no cryptographic equivalent of this.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is a world in which contracts are entered and people retain their keys
gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if there was an address i'd have sent teh eth already.
mircea_popescu: and so far your only fault is not reading carefully :)
nubbins`: guy does not seem to get this point.
mircea_popescu: don';t get the wrong idea, anton_osika : i actually like you.
nubbins`: if i were the sort of jackass who went around losing keys, i'd probably sign some messages preemptively to take care of things in case that happened
nubbins`: but if i'm the sort of person who loses keys, i'm also the sort of person who loses signed statements.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Well my situation is regarding my life savings so it does matter a bit less as of now.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a risky but perhaps useful approach. "All assignables belonging to key X should henceforth be transferred to key X which has full authority to bla bla"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm not 100% sure that our contract allows such
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i would propose you're not experienced enough to crypto to make it the repository of your life savings.
nubbins`: "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties. The administration of any such contracts remains the sole responsibility of the respective parties involved."
nubbins`: tbh i have no idea what second sentence has to do with first
nubbins`: but first seems to explicitly disallow a signed "plz deliver to this key instead" message.
mircea_popescu: the assignment of a negotiable can only be a contract.
trinque: anton_osika: so you're out what, 700 bucks?
mircea_popescu: trinque well no, since the eth was WAY later than what they originally promised, the short lived launch bubble happened right around now.
trinque: yeah but that was the upside back to him, right? he only put in 3btc
trinque: you didn't lose that; you made sure you never got it
mircea_popescu: i was trying to aim for you know, 3-6 months after release, little did i imagine their "xmas" will be august
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I have to say that I do agree with you regarding ETH not being the best of bets though.
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trinque: so my 15000 shares of a failed ruby on rails startup, I lost infinity dollars
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
assbot: Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun.
trinque: I even dropped out of the shitty college to get those shares
trinque: anton_osika: losing is good for you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hasdn't traded in the past month, which is so fucking weird.
nubbins`: order book looks condusive to another bitbet hedge
nubbins`: i usde to be godo at splelign.
mircea_popescu: 22:59:34 {assbot} [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1496 @ 0.003551 = 5.3123 BTC [-]
anton_osika: I meant to say that I got lucky with how BTC fork worries developed.
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mircea_popescu: oh if all the dead losers could speak. oh if the wails of the meanwhile defeated stupid could be heard by the still living
anton_osika: Before I continue the venture of my identity tomorrow: Since the contract states my name - what is it that says that it is not enough as long as it is uniquely identifiable beyond all probable doubts?
mircea_popescu: tyhe contract also states the word "and". maybne that's a name.
anton_osika: nubbins`: What have I been missing regarding GPG contracts then? :)
anton_osika: I mean, this is crypto land, but things are built on common sense not some magical crypto laws right?
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: => BTC fork worries = irrelevant?
nubbins`: things actually are built on "magical" crypto laws.
nubbins`: (magical? do you even compute?)
nubbins`: trivial example, no idea why i'm trying this hard to explain things to you:
nubbins`: suppose the contract didn't say
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:19:42; TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work
trinque: anton_osika: you might as well be my buddy pleading with his corrupted LUKS header
nubbins`: how is anyone to know which john smith? there must be millions.
nubbins`: antonosika it's not lucky, no.
nubbins`: i could sire a child tomorrow and name it anton osika.
trinque: the tit-punching kid screams and wonders where mother is to set things right
anton_osika: If it did in an ordinary contract, it would have to include an address (which takes care of the all probable doubt) :)
nubbins`: but it's a gpg contract, and it included a gpg fingerprint
mircea_popescu: try this sometime, go ask your bank for your money, but refuse to show id.
nubbins`: antonosika so let's say you signed a normal contract, it included your name and your address.
nubbins`: now 1 year later you have a different address.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Thats a very valid comparison.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika just, irl, because irl is dedicated to the survival of the least fit, if you lose your id there's a mechanism to get another one.
nubbins`: antonosika i think it's fair to say that you understand 100% that you fucked up and you're just trying to "reason" your way into changing the terms of the original
mircea_popescu: but here, because we are quite specifically dedicated to the non survival of the unfit, there isn't.
mircea_popescu: and in the space so freed, we have constructed much safer ids.
cazalla: i think anton_osika actually understands but hopes to wear mircea_popescu down
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 90% of what commercial disputes are. ask any judge.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "good faith" &c.
nubbins`: barristers and solicitors built practices on such
cazalla: ah shit nubbins` beat me to it
mircea_popescu: ;;google "heavily counseled parties to mega mergers do not breach contracts out of inadvertence or mistake"
nubbins`: antonosika here's another thing: suppose you show us a passport that says "anton osika" on it. how do we know you, today, are the same anton osika from last year?
nubbins`: it's an impossible argument to win.
nubbins`: anton_osika it's the same thing i've been saying all along, just in reverse.
anton_osika: My case is that there is only one individual calming to be me.
nubbins`: only one individual today, sure.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 16:54:14; asciilifeform: e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without a 'hint' makes me feel a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power a desktop has?'
nubbins`: maybe the real anton is on vacation?
nubbins`: maybe he's on his way to berlin from syria?
mircea_popescu: THAT was it's #1 thing, for they in the know. "omfg dude it doesn't even needs parans)"
anton_osika: My case is that in any contract - such as one with a bank - an identity boils down to what is tru without any probable doubt.
nubbins`: there is 100% probable doubt that you are not the person who signed the contract last year.
nubbins`: because you can't prove it's you by signing something with the key.
mircea_popescu: actually the obsolete system standard is "preponderence of evidence". you're thinking criminal proceedings, and it's "reasonable" there.
nubbins`: anton_osika all forms of physical identification can be forged
nubbins`: i could quite literally come back here in three weeks with a USA passport bearing my face and your name.
nubbins`: would you like for things to work this way? really?
nubbins`: or would you like for contracts signed with your pgp key to only be resolved via that same key?
nubbins`: because if you wouldn't like that, you should probably gtfo
nubbins`: as you are not in the correct place
nubbins`: you're trying to cross an international border using a high school diploma as photo ID.
nubbins`: nevermind that it doesn't have your photo and it's just a sheet of paper run thru a laser printer anyway.
mircea_popescu: "The implications are obviously enormous here. After going through this thread and being somewhat convinced, I picked a few photos (widely available from a google image search) and did my own (very basic) comparisons."
trinque: anton_osika: the lesson here is worth far more than a student's 600-700 bucks
anton_osika: I'm sorry I did not find it myself - of course MP already explained it before.
nubbins`: anton_osika please understand that none of this is malicious, and at least some people here probably feel bad for you
nubbins`: but there is literally nothing you can do about it without that key. full stop.
trinque: I lost far more than 700 bucks in the stock market at that age
mircea_popescu: i feel bad for him cuz unlike an entire horde of twerps, he actually executed.
mircea_popescu: trinque i actually won, and it was imo a worse outcome. i nigh on ended up believing in the shit.
nubbins`: you guys would vomit if you knew how many btc i wasted on AM and S.DICE
mircea_popescu: heck, i made like 5 btc with that "biggest fish" flash game
nubbins`: i made ~10btc off just-dice too
nubbins`: oh look, both obama and bin laden both have incisors
nubbins`: also, both their sweaty foreheads shine under harsh light
mircea_popescu: the fact that they're actually pretty similar is probably more insulting to the arab than to the american.
mircea_popescu: because it means he has some black ancestry over there.
trinque: anton_osika: supposedly gox "owes me" several btc to this day. and guess what, there's even a "legal system" invovled with that case. what do you think my odds are on receiving the btc back?
mod6: deedbot.org white & black now 'eh
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trinque: mod6: thought I'd make your eyes bleed a little less
mircea_popescu: somehow this is true if counterintuitive. black on white is better for eyes than white on black.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem the lower power the better, but not so. because the tiny white specs are too shiny otherwise.
anton_osika: But I feel that I am no the only one that lost ones identity -little owing to ones own mistakes. And this community has honesty in honouring contracts in Good Faith.
mircea_popescu: (ie, if the whole screen is white, the iris adapts and filters it down. if the screen is black, iris can not do that, you end up burning retina)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's a succinct explanation
nubbins`: i've always found black-bg websites a nightmare to read
nubbins`: anton_osika plenty have lost their keys. they all weep together now.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika really, figure out how to keep a safe key. it's not that hard, and it IS the only actual underpinning of humanity these days.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: That is one lesson learned, from all this agony.
nubbins`: anton_osika i could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that i am who i say i am, and everyone in here would be convinced, but i'm still not executing that SSW without a key
mircea_popescu: no key = 1760 negro. not only no rights, but no human identity at all. st peter doesn't even keep track of yotur sins. you're like the beasts of the plains.
trinque: anton_osika: it's not that much money; you're just young. and mistakes you make in youth that you survive will remind you later never again to be so foolish.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you certainly can't because it being an equity thing, it impacts the patrimony of unknown shareholders.
trinque: anton_osika: or should I still be drinking over the not-millions I made from that not-company
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:43:07; nubbins`: lots of people pointing to pictures of, e.g., mattresses & trash left behind in train stations, refugees holding "$600 cell phones"
trinque: anton_osika: hold onto a key and you might keep it!
anton_osika: I understand those before me who weep - when there is ambigouity in settlements that they would need their non-negro identities with.
cazalla: thestringpuller, is this not from the other conference and not the coindesk one?
nubbins`: are refugees actually welcome to tanzania - africa, tho?
nubbins`: not sure that's the PM and minister of foreign affairs in picture
anton_osika: My case is however that acting in from the perspective of probable doubt is good for the robustness of bitcoin-assets.
nubbins`: because they traded their cell phones for mattresses?
anton_osika: Say we are hit by a 1859 solar EMP or the like.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika selection events are selection events. when the waters go out you see who had been swimming naked.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu well ya know. if i'm on fire, i'm heading for the water, not the gas station
cazalla: thestringpuller, yes they did but i thought the garzik slides are from the scaling bitcoin conference (ran the day after or something)
mircea_popescu: how come they're on the kind of fire that can be put out by welfare checks and tightly packed stupiud white cunts,
anton_osika: So I would say that a payment - if I deliver some sort of verification - would strengthen the credibility of MP. As well as bitcoin-assets as a whole.
nubbins`: mugabe gave out farmland; how'd that work out for everyone?
nubbins`: i have a $100Tn bill upstairs that says "not so well"
mircea_popescu: anton_osika the main intellectual pivot here is the notion that "everyone must make it". this is what informs your "what if there's a solar flare" thing.
mircea_popescu: however, this place is predicated on the converse : everyone MUST NOT make it.
thestringpuller: cazalla: Seems all of the BIPers (Gavin Hearn Garzik et. al), talked about this.
anton_osika: In some chain of events however unlikely any of you would lose your PGP identities.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you suppose they'd still be holding the sign if tanzania was a first-world country that also happened to carpet bomb syria?
nubbins`: anton_osika fwiw if mp pays out, it would wreck his credibility
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but the important point remains : there IS SPACE for you here. and you dun wanna go here, you wanna go there. where you most pointedly don't belong, you want to go.
anton_osika: The meaning of GPG contracts are being defined as we speak, as of those being honoured and those who are not, and I think you might agree that it is a better contract if it can - as any other contract between to individuals - be honoured in good faith aka. when fulfilled beyond reasonable doubt.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu since when is "space" the primary consideration?
nubbins`: there's space in canada's north
nubbins`: but the gov has to pay people to move there.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Where is it that I wan't to go you say?
nubbins`: twodogs is too cold for the sudanese who live here
mircea_popescu: here';s some basic logic : when you're fucked, you move among weaker people to recover, if you're worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika a) gpg contracts are already defined, cuz that article ; b) we don't agree.
nubbins`: "worth two shits" changes when your country and meat-wot are both rubble
mircea_popescu: the point of this entire thing is to make existence painful and difficult. not to continue the convenience of consumers.
anton_osika: I'm trying to make the system less reliant on one single part of failure, but I see I have failed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so you can't take the family and go to tanzania. because why ?
mircea_popescu: this is essentially the alf argument. "i can't do anything by myself"
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anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what, these immigrants were born with a cow milking interdiciton ?
mircea_popescu: anton_osika better go on a venture to find a way to protect your next one.
nubbins`: afaik being european just means breakfast is weird and coffee is always espresso.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's no bacalaureat anymore. and you don't need to know three languages. and so on.
mircea_popescu: you can just be your fucktarded tribal shithead self, and will be ok.
mircea_popescu: if that;s the idea, go to tanzania, there it'll work to everyone's satisfaction.
trinque: intellectuals need to be humiliated with manual labor at some point in life
trinque: was referring to alf in tanzania
trinque: so they did that to their own home
nubbins`: they stayed 'cause they're intellectual, see
trinque: what are they going to do to anyone else's?
nubbins`: but if you've got a smartphone... why leave, right?
trinque: this presumption that anywhere else must take them comes from what?
nubbins` searches log for someone saying this
trinque: so you're just saying "why wouldn't they go to germany" ?
trinque: I don't have argument with that, only the idiocy of germany accepting
nubbins`: i'm saying they'd be fucking idiots to (a) stay (b) go to tanzania
mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
☟︎ nubbins`: trinque germany's the big economic powerhouse, yes?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i don't follow b and a is a ridiculous strawman effort to somehow gang b.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "germany" in the sense of "not them", not germany in the sense of, "everyone in this perimeter".
mircea_popescu: i hear women live longer, go become a woman to live longer.
mircea_popescu: it's the exact sylogism of germany is a powerhouse i r immigrant there.
nubbins`: suppose there's 20 people trying to cross a river. 19 of them can't swim, the 20th is an olympic gold medallist and can lift 5x his own body weight, while swimming.
nubbins`: #20 says "we should all carry some of these watermelons across the river with us"
anton_osika: I'm getting a new identity with phunctor...
trinque: til deedbot's regex dun mind a comma
anton_osika: But I'm not giving up just yet. As the real antonosika wherever he is does deserve his payment...
nubbins`: #20 will probably not drown. 1-19 probably will.
nubbins`: why is germany telling eu to take refugee quotas?
thestringpuller: whatever happened to that Julia Tourianski chick that was in the channel way back when
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:46:50; trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable
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mircea_popescu: i am genuinely expecting to see white teens on the open market in the sub-btc range as a result of all this, which is all the better.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:18; shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few.
trinque: mircea_popescu: as the concept of the WoT sunk in it occurred to me that we have very weak social connections here in american meatspace too
mircea_popescu: no. cuz white idiots are too fucking weird to even look at each other
trinque: I am the only guy in this apartment block that makes eye contact and says hello.
trinque: and they smile and then scurry away, heh
mircea_popescu: anyway, 500k pakis in the uk over 20 years produced rotterham, 5mn pakis in eu over 20 weeks will produce...
trinque: anton_osika: see that EMP isn't gonna be so bad
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assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:58; trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:54:52; nubbins`: refugees escaping an oppressive regime
mircea_popescu: that's the big thing. the upwards mobile refugee is the prototype of the scumbag.
thestringpuller: this convo reminds me of that old sci-fi show "Alien Nation"
mircea_popescu: the people who immigrated into the us ~back when the us was a shithole~ made it great. the people who immigrated after it was great made it a shithole again.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:57:55; nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government
mircea_popescu: which is why the french strike every week and japanese never did. what treatment ?
thestringpuller: lol. or how black people responded to the Rodney King verdict (or the cops who beat him)
mircea_popescu: "people" don't do anything for any other reason than because "that's what's done".
thestringpuller: rioting doesn't do anything tho except tear down your neighbor's business.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 19:58:20; nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that picture i had of the FOOTBALL FANS packed quietly and safely 10x in the stadium cca 80s
thestringpuller: the revolution in Romania during the late 80's didn't involve rioting?
mircea_popescu: the secret police broke a dozen display windows down on the main street. that was most of it.
thestringpuller: Black kid gets killed by white cop, people start throwing molotovs at cars and storefronts and shit.
mircea_popescu: well at the time the romanians considered they owned the place. ie, the shops.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:25:04; trinque: ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS
thestringpuller: I would assume American who goes to Bob's Burgers everyday for lunch would be less inclined to throw molotov and bricks in Bob's windows during "revolt/riot" but doesn't seem to be case.
mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:28:52; danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways
trinque: mircea_popescu: looked up the levels; I must've stopped at 29, as I recall the water
trinque will have to load the thing up in dosbox one day and finally defeat it
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:45:19; trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:47:22; cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 20:51:27; cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time
trinque: if they're wired for anything else how not that?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272772 << it's very funny to me that all sorts of social media derps take total umbrage to my stating things like "your sexual parts are collectively owned by the otyher gender", but then the community-ownership oif the product thereof is fairly uncontroversial. this is best proof if one needs proof that no, people don't do anything because.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 21:04:22; cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
mircea_popescu: they just do what's dopne and that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: expecting "the citizenry" to "rebel" and "fix the politics" is not unlike expecting the bearing balls in your busted wheel to rebel and fix your planetary.
mircea_popescu: "how come all they ever do is break more of their neighbour's shit!"
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 21:26:22; trinque: god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space
cazalla: and i've made the war face and had staring competition with the kid when having a tantrum, he doesn't budge so quickly
diana_coman: ahahah cazalla gotta try that with mine (almost 3yo) next time
diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone
☟︎ cazalla: teaspoon of honey goes over well when it comes to foot stamping :P
cazalla: prob hanging myself by reinforcing such behaviour with sweetness though eh
diana_coman: you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :)))
trinque: boy did I grow up in a time of cultural transition, lol
cazalla: not whenever nor everytime, just when it gets so bad that i'm about to have a tantrum myself
trinque got a kick in the ass, and a conversation with a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me
trinque: and not as if this was all the time; I didn't like it, you see :P
diana_coman: at one point I got him to another room, told him to call me when he's done with it
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trinque: I think it's perfectly normal for the desires of the kid and parent to be completely at odds
trinque: the kid just got here; what does he know?
trinque: oh, nothing's going to stop a screaming baby
trinque: that's perfectly healthy too
diana_coman: and they do nothing else than watch; intently
cazalla: yeah that's interesting eh, my son even copies the way i walk, gets behind me and tries to time the footsteps and all
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cazalla: gets the empty toilet paper roll and goes around the skirting boards pretending to vacuum too