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thestringpuller: ;;itkcer
gribble: Error: "itkcer" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
ikeboy: and predictious doesn't allow submitting bets
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 312.48, Best ask: 312.66, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 312.67, 24 hour volume: 21603.61278539, 24 hour low: 304.99, 24 hour high: 325.61, 24 hour vwap: 313.689908828
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/16/interlude-the-big-bets/
assbot: Interlude: Sport betting isn't that big, Here's what is | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xsUuc4 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 865 @ 0.0012 = 1.038 BTC
ikeboy: that link isn't that informative
thestringpuller: ikeboy: you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
ikeboy: explain?
ikeboy: I already said I'm not interested in bitbet
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: What odds interest you and why should other people be interested in them.
BingoBoingo: ?
ikeboy: I'm interested in 10:1 odds on paycoin not being worth more than .01 BTC in 2 weeks
ikeboy: and anyone who has a greater than 90% that paycoin is going bust should pick this up
ikeboy: I would put up to ~2BTC on this, versus 20BTC
thestringpuller: yea, there is your problem small fry.
ikeboy: What's the problem? too small?
ikeboy: Don't tell me it's not worth $600 for someone to spend time setting it up
thestringpuller sighs
thestringpuller: it seems the only reason you want odds if for extended leverage.
thestringpuller: s/if/is/gc
ikeboy: what do you mean by that?
ikeboy: If you mean I can make more this way than by investing in paycoin directly, then yes
thestringpuller: no i mean what I said...
ikeboy: And people who were trying to convince me not to buy paycoin should be willing to put money behind that
ikeboy: what do you mean by leverage?
thestringpuller: ;;google leverage finance
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
thestringpuller: well then
ikeboy: i'm trying to increase my return. what do you think I'm trying to do?
cazalla: buy more paycoin then, sure bet!
ikeboy: that has an expected 200% gain, and a bet may have a 900% gain
cazalla: not if you're unable to find someone to bet against, i'd take the sure thing while you can lol
thestringpuller: ^- this
thestringpuller: trying to run options on a bookie service
thestringpuller: dafuq is going on - marvin gaye
assbot: ikeboy +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up ikeboy
ikeboy: betmoose is here betmoose.com/bet/paycoin-to-be-worth-at-least-_01-btc-in-2015-1049
BingoBoingo: <ikeboy> And people who were trying to convince me not to buy paycoin should be willing to put money behind that << Not everyone who think Paycoin is a shit idea wants the same two week window you do.
ikeboy: ok, but they were trying to convince me that buying now to sell at $20 on monday is a bad idea
BingoBoingo: Ah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00060933 = 17.4268 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44950 @ 0.00062795 = 28.2264 BTC [+] {3}
Adlai: so paycoin has progressed from vaporware to real, nitrogen-rich altcoincrap?
ikeboy: does that mean you don't believe in it?
ikeboy: if so, i have a bet for you ...
Adlai: of course i believe in paycoin. it is the vehicle through which the prophet garza will lead the people from usury and incest to riches and glory
Adlai: "don't believe in paycoin" doesn't translate cleanly to "willing to bet on a subset of the possible failure scenarios, as opposed to all others"
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Well It's a fork of peercoin. The code was already there just needed magic number tweaks. Also Peercoin was cooler when it was still called PeePeeCoin
Adlai: whatever happened to the real peepeecoin. nobody wants to trade their overpriced shitcoins for kilos of processed manure?
ikeboy: so give your prob estimates for: paycoin being worth ~$20 in 2 weeks, paycoin being worth ~10 dollars in 2 weeks, paycoin being pretty much worthless in 2 weeks
Adlai: "worth" is the key word. it could be worth $30 on the bucket shops that choose to list it, but zero to the rest of the world.
ikeboy: worth as in I can sell it for a value on an open market like coin-swap
Adlai: oh look it's another cryptsy
Adlai: it's like cryptsy except without litecoin shoved down my throat at every turn
ikeboy: if I can sell it for $20, that means someone is willing to pay for it
Adlai: 900BTC 24h vol XPY/BTC wtf
ikeboy: so ... your prob estimates?
Adlai hasn't the faintest clue how deep the lemmings' pockets run
ikeboy: I'm going now, but the betmoose is here for anyone betmoose.com/bet/paycoin-to-be-worth-at-least-_01-btc-in-2015-1049
kakobrekla: why doenst he get ddosed?
Adlai: at that moment, kako was enlightened
kakobrekla checks
kakobrekla: nope, still ignorant
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if you wanted to, you could've determined mr. ddos by iterative kicking / process of deduction - long ago.
kakobrekla: yes i know
asciilifeform: but where'd be the sport in that.
Adlai: it could be that the ddoser is not ddosing himself. or that he's not ddosing people belonging to his site. or that he picks targets randomly, to give the illusion of unknown patterns.
kakobrekla: or maybe its offline atm.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: here's an elegant, though likewise unsporting pill against ddosman. require anyone outside of L1 to enter uncloaked on pain of instakick. there will be a set of 'lurkers' remaining who never die. among them will be our hero, who is then readily deduced.
asciilifeform: of course, this is largely a waste of time when one can simply walk away with the chumpnet (entirely unsecured, as discussed in past thread on subject)
BingoBoingo: Walk away with chumpnet, implement new bot, other things too prolly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there isn't a bot.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2014#954024 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 01:04:22; asciilifeform: from the department of nyooz yoo can yooze - kakobrekla provided data from which we learn that ddos man has switched from ssdp to ntp 'amplification' attack (see literature.)
asciilifeform: and below.
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: I thought there was a bot on the trigger
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in that sense, yes
asciilifeform: but there isn't a 'botnet'
asciilifeform: there's just a sea of idiot boxes that should have been booted from the net long ago.
asciilifeform: by isp.
BingoBoingo: Right
asciilifeform: 'amplification' idiocy is trivially tested for, and any isp which doesn't yank the offending lusers ought by all rights to be killed upstream
asciilifeform: see also 1990s, 'usenet death penalty.'
asciilifeform: (precedent)
kakobrekla: i think the least damaging way is to kick nicks that are idle sing sing-on
kakobrekla: s/sing/since
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: wanna idle for >5 min, get in wot.
kakobrekla: smth like that
asciilifeform: so then.
kakobrekla: but bot can get in the wot.
asciilifeform: then we have a fungus among us.
kakobrekla: wait, you meant l2 trust?
asciilifeform: aha.
kakobrekla: having a wot and having l2 trust not same thing.
asciilifeform: well yes, shorthand here.
asciilifeform: anyone who has voice, gets to idle as much as he likes
asciilifeform: others - only long enough to see who to ask for voice.
asciilifeform: that was, i think, the idea.
decimation: yeah i think that's a good plan
asciilifeform: naturally mr ddos will have nothing to do but move on to qntra, trilema, bitbet...
decimation: people outside of L2 can read the logs
kakobrekla: yes, but. kick wont do, you have to ban the idler or else it just rejoins. secondly, if we fail to voice ppl which we kinda do, they will be casualties.
asciilifeform: they are already casualties.
decimation: kakobrekla: one way around that issue would be to kick anyone who isn't in the wot (not L2)
asciilifeform: and i can only speak for myself, but i neglect voicing people because they don't ask.
asciilifeform: now they will have a reason to ask.
asciilifeform: the idlers who 'i'll join a hundred bitcoin-related channels, they're all the same to me!' are contemptible.
asciilifeform: (but i think mircea_popescu already said this)
decimation: I don't get the point to idling on a logged channel (without voice)
kakobrekla: hm. how about 1 min auto voice on join for unseen nicks?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: nah
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: easy spamatron
decimation: what about unseen nicks who are authed by gribble?
kakobrekla: registered nicks?
kakobrekla: idk.
asciilifeform: registered << same easy spamatron
decimation: not quite as easy, but you are right
asciilifeform: anything mr spam can get $maxint of purely by perl script is useless
asciilifeform: this includes gribble-regged keys, incidentally
asciilifeform: we would be creating an incentive to flood wot with crud
asciilifeform: hence l2.
decimation: there is an incentive to do this anyway
decimation: nanotube might consider deleting wot ID's that haven't authed in a period of time
asciilifeform: so mr spam will walk them.
asciilifeform: like dogs.
asciilifeform: by perl script.
decimation: really I guess that's the same solution as Mr. Luke-jr
asciilifeform: remember that it's a wot
asciilifeform: you don't kill folks with a nuke by rolling it and crushing them under it
asciilifeform: you set it off, as designed
decimation: Like bitcoin, the wot database is going to grow forever
asciilifeform: wot is to be used as a wot to eliminate precisely this class of pest
asciilifeform: among others
decimation: asciilifeform: but this only works if one regards a n00b with utter contempt
asciilifeform: how else to regard ?
asciilifeform: !s the cold equations
assbot: 10 results for 'the cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+cold+equations
decimation: yeah, it's a good point
asciilifeform: wants less contempt? must become less contemptible.
asciilifeform: demonstrably.
decimation: which would basically require being personally known to someone in the wot
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/lawsky-walks-back-from-original-bitlicense/
asciilifeform: decimation: that, or to make a good introduction of himself.
decimation: an introduction that couldn't be replicated by perl script
asciilifeform: aha.
BingoBoingo: #bitcoin-assets-lobby
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no. that just relocates the roaches, not kills.
BingoBoingo: Sure
asciilifeform: i like the idea of nuking drooling idlers who have no visible purpose
asciilifeform: ddos or no ddos
kakobrekla: honestly im not sure whats worse, autoddos or autoban.
decimation: it's not really a ban, it's more of a bouncer
TomServo: BingoBoingo: You're movie clip on qntra shows 'removed by user'. :(
kakobrekla: decimation just kicking is not enough
TomServo: Your* :(
asciilifeform: anyone who is kicked and auto-rejoins is ipso facto bot ?
decimation: is it possible to 'hook' ChanServ to intercept joins before they happen?
kakobrekla: nah pretty much everything these days has 'autorejoin' option
asciilifeform: incidentally, what do we need unvoiced users for at all? noobs can find the log www, and figure out who to pm from it
BingoBoingo: TomServo: THese things happen
kakobrekla: which was also responsible for a bunch of cloak fails
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes assbot has downtime too. ☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121415 = 1.2142 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: that can be mitigated by secondary up only bot.
decimation: I thought cloak fails were associated with users who aren't sasl authed
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
asciilifeform: decimation: i personally had cloak fail from a malfunctioning (hacked?) freenode node.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: +i ?
decimation: interesting.
kakobrekla: too much work
kakobrekla: ongoing
BingoBoingo: AH, only longterm solution seems to be an ircd foundation
decimation: heh
decimation: no more like cryptoProt foundation
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: too much work << wouldn't it be approximately a one-liner? add to +i list upon voicing by assbot, remove when logged off / devoiced ?
asciilifeform: the observation that, on account of the log existing, we don't need human idlers for anything at all, was correct
asciilifeform: decimation: cryptoprot ?
decimation: I donno, what would you name your rsa/udp/wot idea?
asciilifeform: decimation: it has a name.
kakobrekla: what i meant was "pls invite" pms that would follow
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: how many of these we get now ?
kakobrekla: which i think you meant was to be refused
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they are not necessarily to be refused, but there ought to be slightly higher expectations of work for the n00b to do in order to merit invite
asciilifeform: 'hi please let me in' should not do
asciilifeform: n00b should be expected to say at least a complete sentence re: why he should be let in to talk
asciilifeform: if he merely wants to listen - straight to www log.
decimation: asciilifeform: I guess I missed the name, what is it?
asciilifeform: decimation: you didn't miss it. i never said
asciilifeform: decimation: if you give a damn, it was called - on my own machine, which at present, is the only place it exists - 'kapelle'
asciilifeform: decimation: as in Die Rote Kapelle.
asciilifeform: but this is not a published gadget, and should not be regarded as proof - or even suggestion - of anything in particular.
asciilifeform: i'm almost sorry i mentioned it, now folks will expect it to exist
kakobrekla: and hypothetically given we have l2 +i, do we still need +m?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: haha, for what
kakobrekla: well you manually invite a 'new guy' take the chance it doesnt work out, you need some means to get rid of it?
asciilifeform: devoice -> uninvite
asciilifeform: mechanical.
asciilifeform: '!down' ought to suffice
kakobrekla: but if we dont have +m we are not up or down
asciilifeform: '!up' -> invite
asciilifeform: can use same command, no ?
asciilifeform: just different logic in it
kakobrekla: a you mean like down is +kb
asciilifeform: aha.
BingoBoingo: Seems whole new IRC network is the solution instead of arguing freenode +i vs. +m conventions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're discussing perhaps a ~1kb patch to kako's bot, rather than a serious project
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if you want to contribute a box or two for a 'parachute' network for #b-a, don't let this stop you
kakobrekla: ethical_cleansing.patch
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: freenode seems to attract folks like mr. spam
asciilifeform: does fleanode support 'knocking' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there are ideas. If a new network popped up parachute would be likely. Seems though that the root of current problem is freenode baring IPs and lacking any controling entity that could be convinced to do otherwise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you probably know, but this is not the only problem with fleanode.
BingoBoingo: Sure
undata_: hosted in a five-eyes country might be another :p
undata_: or rather, owned by
kakobrekla: mp is gonna be pissed if we do this.
BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/34v1kJ9.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMLkVr )
asciilifeform: i'm not sure whether the fact of something being planted in an 'eyes' country or not is even interesting. it's like the old saw about how a smoking section in a restaurant is quite like a pissing section in swimming pool.
undata_: asciilifeform: heh, point taken.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It depends on the kind of restaurant. I am pretty sure some restaurants would be intolerable if it wasn't for heavy smoking.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if mp likes n00bs, then let's see if he agrees that this should make their ordeal more rational (if not lighter) than it is currently.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: imho it will produce more interesting noobs - a challenge piques interest, selects for folks who aren't vegetables
kakobrekla: i think the main issue is he wont be able to take credit.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: actually he can
BingoBoingo: Everyone needs to eat their vegetables from time to time though
asciilifeform: seems that, in his absence, i'm filling in for him in role as 'cruel sargeant for n00bs'
asciilifeform: at least for this thread.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: I think having had a GPG key fingerprint on an MPEx listed contract is the rough equivalent of a commision so asciilifeform at the worst you are probaby a captain by now.
asciilifeform: (soon i must go and [censored] and someone must take over!)
BingoBoingo: [censored] all of the keys
asciilifeform: el coronel no tiene quien le escriba, полковнику никто не пишет, полковника никто не ждет.
BingoBoingo remembers for the longest time in childhood the hometown having a metal wagon wheel fascimile supported on a post in the town square
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reference to 'oregon trail' colonists, or to breaking on the wheel ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, given the height of the post and its location in SOuthern Illinois, probably the latter.
BingoBoingo: Seems hsitorically this was a "Sundown Town"
BingoBoingo: Though the first definition was probably offered by the time of my birth.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6491 @ 0.00063284 = 4.1078 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/blog/1938-git-client-vulnerability-announced
assbot: Vulnerability announced: update your Git clients · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMNl44 )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, toy os users only
BingoBoingo: More Windows, More OSx
kakobrekla: hm iirc gribble wont let you auth if you are not present on one of his blessed chans
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, I discovered that yesterday.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: should be easy fix, no ?
kakobrekla: afaik it is suppose to be a securitah feature and i dunno where nano stands on that.
asciilifeform: wake him up ?
kakobrekla: !up nanotube ping
asciilifeform doesn't grasp how this makes anything more secure
PeterL: you are trying to make it more complicated?
asciilifeform: less
BingoBoingo: Oh, the dollar is crashing today! Against the Phillipine Peso!
kakobrekla: is there some override for invite for ops?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: '+I' iirc
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: not only for ops, either
asciilifeform: can make generic list of folks who are always invited
kakobrekla: a ok
PeterL: so the change to voicing you are suggesting, we now need to join something like #bitcoin-otc, then auth with gribble, then we can join #bitcoin-assets, then we still need to pm assbot '!up'?
asciilifeform: PeterL: ideally, no
kakobrekla: PeterL we just need to make it complicated enough so Luke-Jr doesnt figure it out.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DY497N.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
PeterL: ;;gettrust assbot luke-jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user luke-jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=luke-jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luke-jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: then none of you could either
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Staph trolling!!!
kakobrekla: yes troll
undata_: heh I am totally making a bitcoin overlay as a weekend project btw
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: kakobrekla is the one trolling :p
kakobrekla: no u
Luke-Jr: undata_: lol, just to change USE flag?
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: kakobrekla doesn't troll, he works hard for his cookies. No boat required.
undata_: Luke-Jr: no, to be sure when I emerge sync I don't unwittingly have more of your decisions foisted upon me
Luke-Jr: undata_: overlays won't do that
undata_: Luke-Jr: they will if I mask your turds
Luke-Jr: don't need an overlay to do that
Luke-Jr: just add to /etc/portage/package.mask
Luke-Jr: it doesn't force you to unmerge stuff either, and should notify you when there's an update being masked
Luke-Jr: btw, in case you didn't notice, I go out of my way to prevent any unwitting
undata_: Luke-Jr: I accept that your intent is to "do good"
undata_: anyhow I don't want to rehash it.
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/12/new-zealand-couple-manages-to-lock-themselves-in-keyless-car-for-13-hours/
assbot: New Zealand couple manages to lock themselves in keyless car for 13 hours | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcwsWl )
asciilifeform: ;;rate Luke-Jr -1 persistent loon, defiler of gentoo, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2014#955095 or inquire within ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 21:34:38; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: that would make sense; people seem to assume something monumentally stupid is worthless, but in practice it isn't.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Luke-Jr has been recorded.
asciilifeform: ;;gettrust assbot luke-jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user luke-jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=luke-jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luke-jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
asciilifeform: !down Luke-Jr
asciilifeform: aww.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It takes time for assbot to update the rectum
mike_c: so I am an angry bitbet customer, and I want to come here for help. how do I get in if it is invite-only?
asciilifeform: mike_c: banner points you to www log. then pm of the folks appearing therein.
BingoBoingo: ^ Ah, case for keeping a vegetable garden element
mike_c: ok, I am a reporter for NYT, I have to do same dance?
asciilifeform: mike_c: sure.
asciilifeform: 'However, the door doesn’t automatically unlock when the interior handle is pulled—and therein lay the problem for the Smiths. According to the Times, the couple had been led to believe by their Mazda dealership that the key fob was the only way to unlock the doors; this mistaken impression, coupled with the fact that the vehicle was parked in their garage and that it was apparently too dark to clearly see the interior swi
asciilifeform: tches, led to the nearly fatal overnight stay.'
asciilifeform: vegetables.
asciilifeform: what a sad thing that they did not die.
asciilifeform: these were adults, with working hands.
asciilifeform: '... and they vote!'
Luke-Jr: lol
Luke-Jr: funny how I'm falsely accused of censorship, and the reaction here is to censor me ;)
PeterL: hands don't help much if you don't know where to put them
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: just like your victims, 'there was plenty of warning', 'no one unwitting', 'there were no victims'
mike_c: and the problem we are trying to solve here is that uncloaked noobs might get ddos'd.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I have no victims, I've not done anything wrong.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: you are a hypocrite, nothing more
Luke-Jr: just saying
mike_c: the solution being, we lock them out.
asciilifeform: mike_c: idea was, we let them in when they are actual people with an actual reason for wanting in
Luke-Jr: mike_c: you realise the regulars/admins here are insane?
asciilifeform: beyond 'let me drool in this here bowl'
PeterL: so if an uncloaked noob comes by, asks for voice and gets let in, then they will be ddossed?
mike_c: Luke-Jr: they smell funny too
asciilifeform: PeterL: ddosed by whom ?
PeterL: whoever is ddossing now?
asciilifeform: PeterL: idea is that the idler parked here by mr ddos will die.
PeterL: oh, I see
mike_c: PeterL: my understanding is anyone who enters uncloaked, thereby flashing their IP, get ddos'd by the fucktarded bot that is lurking in here.
PeterL: and we assume the ddoser is outside the l2?
mike_c: idk, I think it's fine that we let them talk when they are actual people. how are they to become actual people if they can't listen?
asciilifeform: they can listen!
asciilifeform: on kako's www log.
mike_c: by hitting f5 on log.b-a?
mike_c: that sucks
asciilifeform: why?
PeterL: there is some benefit to seeing what is happening now, in reaction to events going on
asciilifeform: why does this need to happen in split-second parcels?
PeterL: and you loose some sense of the timing when you read the logs
asciilifeform: PeterL: understand, it isn't as if they can freely idle here now. ddos bot takes care of this.
asciilifeform: PeterL: proposed change transfers the initiative to actual people, and takes away whatever piece of it the spammer had.
asciilifeform: spammer should have - none.
PeterL: but really, you can learn alot more going over a few months of logs than trying to get lucky by finding something interesting happening right now at this moment
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: think of it this way:
asciilifeform: we already have something quite like this system. just that it is being administered by an enemy.
mike_c: feels like cutting off head because enemy is making our nose itch.
mike_c: (what an analogy!)
asciilifeform: his head.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the folks whose gadget this is, can decide
asciilifeform: i can only suggest.
mike_c: kako is too easily swayed by a cookie or two.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2014#956705 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 01:44:12; BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes assbot has downtime too.
kakobrekla: gribble is what worries me.
PeterL: what happens if somebody tries to join the chan without auth/L2? do they get dumped into #bitcoin-assets-noobs?
kakobrekla: among other things, it is out of my control.
PeterL: have assbot take over the WoT?
kakobrekla: could only be done as completely separate auth
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha
asciilifeform: or ask nanotube to remove the peculiar must-be-in-channel thing
asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it)
kakobrekla: that has no effect on issues im presenting
asciilifeform: which issue?
PeterL: it's strange, you must be in chan, but you can auth in a pm, so why be in the chan?
kakobrekla: gribble down and out of control
PeterL: if gribble is afk, then nobody can get into this chan
asciilifeform: if gribble is down today, kakobrekla (and mircea_popescu ?) are still stuck manually upping folks
asciilifeform: PeterL: nobody but ops
PeterL: they would still be able to manually up people, right?
asciilifeform: PeterL: just like today, if gribble or assbot are down, only ops have voice
asciilifeform: iirc
asciilifeform: PeterL: aha
PeterL: I think people can be voiced now manually if gribble is down but not if assbot is down?
kakobrekla: correct
asciilifeform: ops can operate the whole thing in manually-cranked mode, afaik
asciilifeform: when they're awake
kakobrekla: yes, can and willing to is not interchangeable
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: just pointing out answer to 'can anything at all work when all bots are dead'
asciilifeform: that being, that all the controls have manual emergency cranks
PeterL: in the proposed system, can people join if assbot is down?
kakobrekla: option 2, move the auth to assbot and save another step (!up)
decimation: recreate nanobot's wot with assbot?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what means 'move auth to assbot'
kakobrekla: idk, yet.
decimation: ;;gettrust assbot luke-jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user luke-jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=luke-jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luke-jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
PeterL: have a #bitcoin-assets WoT separate from #bitcoin-otc?
kakobrekla: but basically as far as i gather punkman already downloads wot data from otc
kakobrekla: for notary
asciilifeform: one of the things that always gave me the willies about the classic (nanotube's) wot is that operations are not signed ☟︎
decimation: I don't get how level 2 has 0 connections, but joecool, nanotube and pankakke are connected to him?
kakobrekla: and keeps a seperate l2 records
kakobrekla: i can do same
asciilifeform: whatever happened to notarybot?
PeterL: decimation: there are a bunch of -1s which offset +1s
PeterL: it is not 0 connections, it is 0 score
decimation: ah I thought it was connection based
PeterL: asciilifeform: but you have to auth before making an operation, so it is almost like being signed
asciilifeform: PeterL: you have to - yes. mr i-owned-fleanode nsa clerk - no.
asciilifeform: PeterL: likewise annotations can be diddled
asciilifeform: on account of not having been signed
asciilifeform: and likewise timestamps
asciilifeform: nanotube's wot works, afaik, thus far, but a good chunk of it still lives in the old pre-cryptographic universe
PeterL: how would you add signatures here?
asciilifeform: PeterL: simply define a canonical wot as consisting of gpg-signed 'rate' commands
decimation: asciilifeform: another alternative: all chat is pm'ed to assbot, who posts it to the log
asciilifeform: with the signature encompassing the full text of said command
decimation: there is no channel
decimation: each chat is signed
asciilifeform: decimation: that's ugly
decimation: yes, but eliminates 'fleanode'
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
asciilifeform: unless you move the whole thing to a dedicated box with own irc. but then you advertise its ip in public
asciilifeform: and back to the start.
asciilifeform: or, at best, to mircea's suggestion of building a dedicated #b-a irc net.
BingoBoingo: #b-a irc net seems the only long term solution
BingoBoingo: With other less strict channels existing on the net
asciilifeform: re: wot: (question to all present) - how often do you re-read your own wot history?
asciilifeform: to check for anything you don't remember having done (or done to you)
asciilifeform: i'll guess, very rarely.
kakobrekla: i go through it a few times a year but for that reason particularly
asciilifeform: even if you do, there is no guarantee that other readers see the same thing you see
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: not for*
asciilifeform: diddled, e.g., bitcoin-otc.com, can serve up anything it wants
asciilifeform: a diddle gribble - same
kakobrekla: well a diddled anything can anything
kakobrekla: news at 11?
asciilifeform: and guess what state of the art here is
asciilifeform: blockchain.
asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So you are saying BUY on namecoin
asciilifeform: and the formerly harmless softness and promise-based mechanisms will become serious holes in the armour.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is precisely one worthwhile blockchain.
nanotube: asciilifeform: it's a way to track a person by hostmask, to provide persistent auth sessions. once we move to 'everything must be signed' there would be no need for auth sessions, and thus no need for people to be in particular channels shared with gribble.
asciilifeform: (iirc namecoin was recently shot in the head)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or maybe you don't yet know you imply it. It's the only alt I know of with Satoshi commits
BingoBoingo: namecoin has been shot in the head many times
asciilifeform: nanotube: afaik everyone who frequents this channel is now cloaked
BingoBoingo: namecoin works best brainless
mike_c: yes, but he knows the nick didn't switch.
asciilifeform: !up undata
nanotube: asciilifeform: sure, but not everyone who uses the wot is in this channel or is cloaked :)
undata: asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform does not know if nanotube is aware of the reason for this thread
nanotube: asciilifeform: not really. got an executive summary? :)
decimation: nanotube: there's a ddoser who spams anyone who joins #bitcoin-assets with a 'naked' ip with an ntp amplification attack
asciilifeform: nanotube: there is a ddos artist paid (apparently) to carry out an endless quest to interfere with #b-a and related projects. presently he has an idler parked here.
asciilifeform: nanotube: it points a ddosnet consisting of ntp and ssdp 'amplification' bots (misconfigured routers, typically) at the victim.
nanotube: well, that's a reason for people here to be cloaked. i remember hearing about that
asciilifeform: nanotube: many new users log in without cloak. and occasionally cloaks fail for reasons which do not reduce to user error
undata: yeah, sasl failed for me earlier
asciilifeform: there are, i surmise, parties which are actively trying to induce these error conditions en masse.
nanotube: yea, freenode unfortunately doesn't default-cloak people
undata: no idea why, but it left me without my cloak for a bit, as freenode wouldn't let me change nicks
asciilifeform: it is not hard to guess who they are.
asciilifeform: (the error-inducers)
asciilifeform: there was also a mass compromise of freenode boxes in sept. and who knows when else, and on what scale.
nanotube: yea i remember that too...
asciilifeform: the channels-shared-by-gribble thing also means that ddos idler bot, if expelled from #b-a, can move to one of the other channels.
asciilifeform: where the hooliganism can continue
asciilifeform: ultimately the very need for 'cloaks' is a bizarre misfeature
asciilifeform: from a pre-cryptographic dark age
nanotube: aye, indeed.
asciilifeform: (or, if you prefer, golden age, 'garden of eden')
decimation: given how obvious this flaw is, one wonders why no one has undertaken to fix it
PeterL: so the question for you: would it be possible to let people auth without being in a chan with gribble?
nanotube: it is being worked on. but have a lot of other stuff on my plate. once everything is signed, there will not even be a need for something like "auth".
asciilifeform: if i understand correctly, nanotube's explanation resolves to this being an anti-mitm mechanism
asciilifeform: ?
nanotube: asciilifeform: well, more like an anti "guy leaves, some other guy comes in on same ip, and gribble has no way of knowing about it, unless they share a channel and gribble can see quits"
asciilifeform: isomorphic to mitm.
asciilifeform: nanotube: incidentally, what is to become of the present wot when a hypothetical 'everything is signed' wot is built ?
PeterL: so instead of just saying "eauth peterl", now we will say "eauth peterl <signature by key goes here>"?
nanotube: PeterL: you'll say "rate dude 1 signature". why even a separate 'auth' step?
PeterL: we use it here to verify people are who they say they are
asciilifeform: nanotube: everyone gets to re-send their collected ratings with signature ?
nanotube: asciilifeform: i'm hoping for a gradual transition, as people upgrade their ratings with signed packets. after a sunset period, all unsigned ratings may be ignored
PeterL: that helps with ratings, but does not help the current voicing model of #b-a
asciilifeform: nanotube: we were contemplating ways to expel the ddos idler from the channel in a permanent and generic way.
nanotube: PeterL: oh well, i guess auth can stay for that purpose. or you can just send a signed message to assbot directly, in theory.
nanotube: asciilifeform: hrm... that's a tough problem. how?
decimation: assbot would them pm the list of interested parties?
PeterL: so instead of authing with gribble, we send auth message to assbot? one step instead of 3, sounds good to me
asciilifeform: nanotube: the only readily apparent way is '+i'
asciilifeform: nanotube: with inviter mechanism bolted onto assbot
nanotube: asciilifeform: yes... but then the squatter will just squat on the 'gateway' channel where people get forwarded when they are not invited
asciilifeform: nanotube: except there wouldn't be one. people would be asked to read kakobrekla's www log.
asciilifeform: if they wish to lurk.
decimation: if they wish to auth, they pm assbot
nanotube: hm and how do new people get in
asciilifeform: they read kakobrekla's www log, see who to pm, make a brief case for being invited
nanotube: and what prevents squatter from doing that, from several different identities?
PeterL: would we need to pm assbot to get a challenge to decrypt, or could it be something like we just send assbot the signature of "auth <wot name> <current time>"?
nanotube: and then waiting for a while
nanotube: PeterL: that depends on assbot coder. :)
asciilifeform: nanotube: he will have to go beyond passing the turing test, and into fabricating an interesting and invite-worthy personality each time.
asciilifeform: nanotube: if he can do this, he deserves to be here.
PeterL: ^ directed at kakobrekla
nanotube: haha
decimation: and if he managed to make it on, he would be identified by the brains of those on the channel and quickly kicked
nanotube: PeterL: still way too early to worry about it though :)
asciilifeform: nanotube: let's look from another angle. right now, noobs are virtually banned from #b-a. but the ban is enforced by a hooligan, not by any of us
asciilifeform: nanotube: my suggestion was to expel the enemy with an only slightly less annoying mechanism that is at least controlled by actual people, and not by spamming scum
asciilifeform: and therefore functions predictably and perhaps in some way constructively.
nanotube: well, i hope it works. i'd be curious to see.
PeterL: nanotube: I don't think the change I am suggesting would require any change of gribble, just adding a separate auth to assbot
nanotube: PeterL: indeed that is correct.
asciilifeform: nanotube: it can only work if folks can authenticate with assbot (and hence with gribble, or equivalent) without exposing hostname
asciilifeform: separate auth to assbot would work, but how to feed through wot ?
asciilifeform: synchronized copy ?
decimation: why not have assbot (or a slave bot) simply pm everyone a copy of signed messages?
asciilifeform: decimation: because ugly
asciilifeform: weirdo protocol that would only by happenstance operate over irc
PeterL: decimation: how to sign messages in irc client?
decimation: well, yeah that part would be annoying
decimation: but at least it would be a step in the right direction
decimation: and it would eliminate most of the dependence on freenode infrastructure
asciilifeform: decimation: right now there is no ready mechanism (except in my experiment, described earlier) for pronouncing ephemeral ('hot', machine-readable) keys for rapid signing
asciilifeform: and even if there were, it would be unsuitable for safety-critical signatures (e.g., wot ratings)
decimation: aye good point.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the correct way to use it would be to have a proggy emulate an irc server and connect ordinary client to it
nanotube: use pastebin to pass a signed message to the bot. assbot can just grab the user database on a regular basis to keep current.
asciilifeform: so as to have the ui we are accustomed to
asciilifeform: to the extent it makes sense to do it
asciilifeform: hardwired dependence on pastebin then ?
asciilifeform: seems shaky
decimation: how do we know that pastebin's 'bins' are immutable?
asciilifeform: if pasting a signed ephemeral message, no need
asciilifeform: but it can still go down, or lose bits selectively
decimation: ah, but then assbot would need a 'hot key'
asciilifeform: why?
asciilifeform: not encrypted. signed.
decimation: ah well who generates the signed message? gribble?
decimation: a moderator?
asciilifeform: actually it'd have to be encrypted, or mitm vector.
asciilifeform: picture dr. evil sitting on 'pastebin', waiting.
asciilifeform: !up undata
PeterL: why not have assbot do what gribble does now for authing?
asciilifeform: iirc someone suggested this
PeterL: auth to assbot in a pm, that gives you voice?
asciilifeform: assbot with synchronized copy of gribble wot.
asciilifeform: then, if you want to rate, still have to auth with gribble again though
asciilifeform: annoying.
PeterL: then once you are in you can auth with gribble too if you need to update any ratings
PeterL: (or just send a signed rating message once that gets implemented)
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: eventually wot must consist of signed packets.
PeterL: lol, I can't read and type at the same time
asciilifeform: afaik this was probably obvious to everyone from the start.
PeterL: yes, and so you will no longer have to auth with gribble, just assbot
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, but it might be impractical. consider a 'firewall' that is checking mr spam's packets all day
decimation: I suspect the crypto would need to be done on an fpga
asciilifeform: decimation: why ?
asciilifeform: decimation: nobody cancelled flood-banning
asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc
decimation: what 'handle' are you going to use for banning? ip address?
decimation: what if mr. spam learns the ip of a friend?
asciilifeform: decimation: you're entirely correct that this will eventually be a thing, though. hence the need for stateless, single-packet auth hellos.
asciilifeform: as in my experiment.
decimation: agreed
asciilifeform: easiest to move to custom si.
decimation: indeed
decimation: a high-end fgpa would be perfectly capable of passing full pipe of signed packets
asciilifeform: other nice thing about signed packets is that it no longer matters where they came from.
asciilifeform: can be another link.
asciilifeform: or shortwave.
asciilifeform: or courier.
decimation: or usb stick in a box
kakobrekla: so we are still were we were.
kakobrekla: where
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: folks suggested assbot having a synchronized copy of gribble's wot
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and opening the gates using it
kakobrekla: and you dont like it cause double auth for rating
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this would not require nanotube making any change to gribble, but would add an annoying extra step of having to auth a second time for rating
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: me? i don't care
PeterL: how often do you rate people?
asciilifeform: but i imagine some of the folks here would be annoyed
asciilifeform: if only out of principle
asciilifeform: 'we do not go through weird gymnastics on account of terrorists' or the like
decimation: ultimately this could just move the problem to #bitcoin-otc or something
PeterL: and it will not be an extra step to rate people when he makes the changes he suggested
asciilifeform: let's see what mircea thinks when he gets back from his atomic dirigible voyage or wherever
decimation: although one wonders why mr. spam targets this channel instead of -otc
decimation: seems like there would be more likely targets there
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't picture forgoing a cockroach repellent simply because it may move the roaches to your neighbour
decimation: for shakedown
PeterL: people who matter are here, not there?
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed
asciilifeform: decimation: i'll take mr spam's word re: him having been paid to vandalize #b-a rather than -otc
undata: hm, HP claims it has a memristor computer incoming http://www.technologyreview.com/news/533066/hp-will-release-a-revolutionary-new-operating-system-in-2015/
assbot: HP Will Release a “Revolutionary” New Operating System in 2015 | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1C66GRJ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00063527 = 19.1216 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: undata: Yeah, they labeled their thing "The Machine"
BingoBoingo: last year
undata: how vague
asciilifeform: 'His team aims to complete an operating system designed for The Machine, called Linux++...'
asciilifeform: ^ c/unix/extant turdolade
asciilifeform: snore.
asciilifeform: i don't care if it's made out of unicorn tears.
asciilifeform: !up undata
decimation: I think they developed some kind of persistant hybrid ram/flash storage
kakobrekla: core memory on chip?
BingoBoingo would like to rip all of the memory out of "The Machine" and air drop it to asciilifeform in 2010 with a duffelbag full of money
undata stops being lazy and auths
asciilifeform: decimation: not hybrid, if their literature is to be believed, but rather a 'flash' fast and durable enough to substitute for dram entirely
BingoBoingo: ^ Durable fast flash
asciilifeform: decimation: but it will be wasted on 1970s garbage os
decimation: asciilifeform: whether it is this or another thing, the difference between filesystems and memory will soon be abolished
decimation: indeed
asciilifeform: decimation: it was already abolished on 'palm pilot'
asciilifeform: big whoop.
asciilifeform: as if this were enough to be interesting.
PeterL: "In particular, the company needs to perfect a new form of computer memory based on an electronic component called a memristor" << so, they just need to figure out how to make the core feature work, then they are all set!
decimation: but that's not multi-threaded!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Palm V and I have great memories. My only regret is that PalmV and TI-89 never traded the best of their aspects
asciilifeform: the real boojum is that c/unix/von neumann crapolade cannot abide the constraint of never-reboot.
undata predicts there will just be drivers that establish one part of ram as a ramdisk
undata: and it will be linux as usual
asciilifeform: undata: 100% certain
decimation: agreed
asciilifeform: or there'd be no talk of google or arsebook etc. taking it up
decimation: poettering will even make it auto-detect laptop flash-ram-whatever automatically
PeterL: "but that is how we have always done programming!"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had a ti-89 ?
asciilifeform misplaced both of his, is contemplating getting another
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. I liked it too
decimation: sadly hp has denegrated the proud hp line
BingoBoingo: And then I sold it for booze money freshman year of college
decimation: hp-48 rpn calcs
BingoBoingo: decimation: Poettering is why horses invented the wagon wheel
asciilifeform ought to sell his hp-16c
asciilifeform: can then buy a crate full of ti
BingoBoingo: lolololololol
decimation: asciilifeform: you aren't an rpn fan?
asciilifeform: i am
decimation: or you just find the hp collectors amusing?
asciilifeform: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-16C/HP-16C-M.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wRyYeb )
asciilifeform: i actually like the simplicity of it
decimation: holy crap they go for like $100-300
asciilifeform: and the never-delay-after-keypress
asciilifeform: usually north of 200 usd
decimation: it's pretty much the most lispy calc ever made
asciilifeform: 16c? hardly
asciilifeform: 48 - sure
decimation: well, 38/48
asciilifeform: the history of the 16c is interesting, imho
asciilifeform: its very existence presumes that people program on paper, far from a computer
decimation: was that the one that was popular with the finance types?
asciilifeform: no.
decimation: the annoying thing to me (growing up on a -48) was that the 16 only displayed one stack element at a time
asciilifeform: that was 12c
asciilifeform: (financial)
decimation: ah
asciilifeform: it, interestingly, is still produced!
asciilifeform: they're dirt-common and i have one also.
asciilifeform: 16c vanished with the age of programming-on-paper.
decimation: HP has recently conspired with the 'testing' folks to create a dumbed-down 'modern' version: http://ncees.org/exams/calculator-policy/
assbot: NCEES: Calculator policy ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6b3MK )
asciilifeform: of what is the 33/35s a dumber version ?
decimation: well, it kinda does stack oriented calculation, but isn't a fully programmable calc like the -48
decimation: I guess because 'cheating' or something
BingoBoingo got TI-89 soley because of test policy
BingoBoingo: The first time...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what test ?
decimation: yeah it would be interesting to know about a test that allows ti-89
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a tradition in u.s. schools where folks can bring calculators to exams where they are known to be of no use
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The AP-Calc AB test. There was a class training for it, but the local recommendation was anything TI preferably 83. I read and saw -89 with the CAS and decided fuck that.
decimation: asciilifeform: that was how much undergrad was
asciilifeform: decimation: calculator is a kind of child's 'security blanket' (psychiatric term of art)
decimation: calculators don't help you cheat much on a three question engineering exam where you show full work
asciilifeform: for all i know, they let students use laptop now, on exam.
BingoBoingo: I got the calculator realizing that I was not buying it to use as a calculator, but as a standards conforming computer in a particular scenario
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still use it, now that no exams ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As mentioned kept it till college and sold it for intoxicants
asciilifeform: aha
BingoBoingo: Would like to buy another
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever 'overclock' ti-series machines for chums when in school ?
asciilifeform did
BingoBoingo: But in math classes at college calculators were rather useless
BingoBoingo: I overclocked a couple for people who had pirate Z80 (gameboy) games
asciilifeform still has a small box of the variable capacitors used for this, somewhere, deep beneath eons of dust
asciilifeform: gameboy emulated on 89 (68k) or what
asciilifeform: or somehow modded to run on 83-6 series
asciilifeform: (which had actual z80, but nothing resembling nintendo's peripherals)
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gameboy was straight Z80
BingoBoingo: Ran on calc with emulator if I remember right
asciilifeform: hm.
BingoBoingo: *89 though was 68 k
BingoBoingo: and I dun remember what 83 series did
asciilifeform: z80
asciilifeform: iirc all ti graphical calculators but 89 and 92 models were z80 boxes.
asciilifeform once owned a 85, then 86, then two separate incarnations of (68k) 89
asciilifeform never had the others
BingoBoingo: *86 seems appealing on case aesthetics
decimation: the original hp48 had great design
asciilifeform: it was more or less an 85 with extra ram
decimation: then the hp49 was a lousy ti knockoff (chassis-wise) but the software was excellent
decimation: the hp48 was very close to being the original portable computing gadget
decimation: for awhile there was an active usenet group swapping warez
asciilifeform: the uninitiated wonder 'why program hp48 today'
asciilifeform: reasons are all described in my 'bed laptop' thread.
mats: 22:36:46 <+decimation> given how obvious this flaw is, one wonders why no one has undertaken to fix it << some #freenode regulars (may have been staff, i don't recall) claim that default cloaks interfere with channel moderation
asciilifeform: mats: pre-crypto dark age.
decimation: the obvious fix would be to hash ip addresses with a private salt
asciilifeform: mats: relying on stone knives, bear skins, ip for authentication
mats: something about being unable to wholesale ban /16
decimation: lol why would that be needed?
mats: yes, i suggested this, but then it became 'there are a host of other ways to compel privacy leak'
decimation: and if such a custom requirement were needed, why not add as a filter in front of the irc daemon
mats: without explanation.
asciilifeform: hp48 etc << hold in one hand in bed? yes! run on set of batteries for half a year - yes! usable outdoors - yes!
decimation: asciilifeform: exactly
asciilifeform: now if there were a computer answering these - then i would buy.
decimation: there are even reasonable text readers available
decimation: I remember using one in my high school, running sgp4 to predict satellites rising
decimation: plus there were some excellent games
mats: i for one would like to know what these other methods are. there was a vague finger wag at attacking services
asciilifeform: mats: among the most elementary 'leak' is links
decimation: yeah if someone hacked a freenode server, game over obviously
decimation: but presuming that isn't the case, there is no reason to freely share ips
decimation: twitter, facebook, google, etc all connect millions of users are many servers without this
mats: commence discussion on how to design an ircd resistant to these problems.
decimation: mats: my point is why is this left to us? this flaw must be obvious to thousands
BingoBoingo: decimation: Left to us because twatter was built "on rails:
mats: staffers don't believe its a problem.
BingoBoingo: ;;
decimation: which puts them on par with the tor 'admin' who doxxed some guy because he was annoying
BingoBoingo: NO, the dev
BingoBoingo: But for Tor that line is blurry
decimation: she was a dev?
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
BingoBoingo: Salaried one at that.
decimation: so, usg contractor
BingoBoingo: I'm not going that far, but it could be reasonably read that way.
mats: http://military.com/daily-news/2014/12/18/congress-again-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html
assbot: Congress Again Buys Abrams Tanks the Army Doesn't Want | Military.com ... ( http://bit.ly/13FZNbN )
decimation: re: earlier discussion of jet fuel << I believe the abrams uses a turbine, which could burn jp-4
decimation: or jp-8 which is the new version
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
BingoBoingo: ABrams is indeed turbine
BingoBoingo wants to run a limo service after this morning with T-72 and a deck on top
decimation: it can burn whatever hydrocarbon you happen to capture
jborkl: Difficulty down 12%
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334911 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1760 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34712504492.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -12.02597
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 309.51, Best ask: 310.16, Bid-ask spread: 0.65000, Last trade: 310.26, 24 hour volume: 18278.00528347, 24 hour low: 304.99, 24 hour high: 319.83, 24 hour vwap: 312.492458631
BingoBoingo: ;;tocker
gribble: Error: "tocker" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.11999899 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: lol
BingoBoingo: !up crybabi
BingoBoingo: Hello crybabi
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2014#956930 << is a signature from the current key required to change to a new key? or is this also covered by the "auth" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 03:11:44; asciilifeform: one of the things that always gave me the willies about the classic (nanotube's) wot is that operations are not signed
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: is a signature from the current key required to change to a new key? << that or ragnarok
crybabi: hello BingoBoingo is this support for bitbet?
asciilifeform: srsly
asciilifeform: 'Turner's office did not respond to several requests for comment on why Congress went against the recommendation of Gen. Ray Odierno, the Army chief of staff, to suspend tank production.' << ahhahahaha lol
BingoBoingo: crybabi: THis is in part
asciilifeform: what kind of 'the holiday' without tanks (in the streets)
PeterL: crybabi: bitbet mods lurk here, go ahead, they should answer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12167 @ 0.00062458 = 7.5993 BTC [-]
crybabi: BingoBoingo: I made a bet and it got refunded, but I only received 4.95 BTC instead of the 5 BTc I sent
crybabi: it looks like your software is charging the fee on bets that are refunded
PeterL: they keep 1% even on refunds
PeterL: I think it is in the FAQ?
BingoBoingo: crybabi: Not my software, but what was your bet?
danielpbarron: crybabi, http://bitbet.us/faq/#152 Your bet will be refunded, minus BitBet's 1% fee.
assbot: FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/13G813D )
BingoBoingo: ;;google I am serious now
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
BingoBoingo: Oh shit
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/37QCJJB.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
crybabi: oh
BingoBoingo: http://s593.photobucket.com/user/cplpunishment/media/tests/i-am-serious-now-serious-wtf-scary-demotivational-poster-1246912060.jpg.html
assbot: i-am-serious-now-serious-wtf-scary-demotivational-poster-1246912060.jpg Photo by cplpunishment | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/13G8inb )
BingoBoingo: crybabi: If you offer more info maybe BitBet mods may materialize with information on decisions
crybabi: BingoBoingo: I see it now, my bet got confirmed after it was resolved
crybabi: thanks everyone
BingoBoingo: !up crybabi
crybabi: but i won't be using bitbet again, charging a fee when you don't provide a service is no way to run a business
BingoBoingo: Well, crybabi What is your big concern. And what was the bet. That seems quite a bit to bet.
BingoBoingo: maybe they thought you were intending to use Bitbet Mixer?
danielpbarron: ^ ++
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00062458 = 7.1202 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: BitBet mixer is why I thought prop stakes were refunded minus fee
BingoBoingo: But no, cuckoldy Mr. Watch a dick in his wiferson left early
BingoBoingo: !up dub
BingoBoingo: !up tych0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC
Adlai: "the formula with the 2s has the distinct advantage of being true" - http://youtu.be/mbyG85GZ0PI?list=PLD63A284B7615313A
assbot: Lecture 01 - The Learning Problem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sFq6EL )
Adlai hasn't enjoyed an online course this much since 18.06
Adlai: although fun could be a symptom of in-one-ear-outtheother syndrome
punkman: http://www.warplife.com/mdc/essays/business/self-employment.html
assbot: Self Employment: Even on a Good Day Things are Hard ... ( http://bit.ly/1xtx4mN )
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwcl17Q0bpk#t=897
assbot: NSA operation ORCHESTRA: Annual Status Report - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGk6Su )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1650 @ 0.00121 = 1.9965 BTC [-]
Adlai watches the bots make idiotic decisions, hope they know something we don't!
fluffypony: Adlai: bots know errthing
fluffypony: don't you watch movies?
Adlai makes movies
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-12-2014#953985 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2014 23:14:03; adlai: to celebrate mpoe coming back up: https://vid.me/pYV4
Adlai: background music is left as an exercise for the viewer
punkman: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19505088
assbot: BBC News - Adult adoptions: Keeping Japan's family firms alive ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlNFsu )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 7968 @ 0.0012 = 9.5616 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00064571 = 38.4843 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00065511 = 8.4509 BTC [+] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2536001
assbot: A Million Metaorder Analysis of Market Impact on the Bitcoin by Jonathan Donier, Julius Friedrich Bonart :: SSRN ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGSOev )
RagnarDanneskjol: http://spacesquarterly.com/life/book-review-david-thornes-newest-collection-of-sarcastically-brilliant-emails-and-essays.html
assbot: David Thorne's Newest Collection of Sarcastically Brilliant Emails and Essays - Spaces Quarterly ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGUK71 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1152 @ 0.0012 = 1.3824 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up Ralt
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/come-see-me-dream-math/
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXGpBrmR70U
assbot: Ashton Kemerling - Generative Integration Tests - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOdoI0 )
punkman: http://bitbiz.io/threads/well-we-were-hacked.636/
assbot: NEWS - Well, we were hacked! | Cryptocurrency Business Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOeLX6 )
TomServo: !up Quanttek
TomServo: Can multiple nicks be upped at once?
BingoBoingo: No, so people can do stuff like:
danielpbarron: of course
BingoBoingo: !up Xuthus Good boy
danielpbarron: oh
BingoBoingo: Whereas:
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins` Ralt
BingoBoingo: Only voices the first person
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/btcxchange-ro-dispute-heats-up/
TomServo: !up pi07r
TomServo: I just turned joins back on to assist in upping folks. Let me know if it's too much.
davout: oh god, such romanian drama
BingoBoingo: Yeah
davout: don't fuck with the guy that has the passwords
BingoBoingo: I'm glad Bitcoin-Central never has such drama.
davout: tbh we had different kinds of drama
davout: :D
BingoBoingo: Well, you can't pick a name and stick with it :p
davout: that is true
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.0006163 = 32.7255 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: >We apologize for any inconvenience caused in recent days. Unfortunately, our main programmer took control of servers refusing to hand in resignation.
kakobrekla: wait wut
asciilifeform: !s collarspace
assbot: 0 results for 'collarspace' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=collarspace
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00060165 = 7.0694 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8582 @ 0.00060165 = 5.1634 BTC [-]
davout: kakobrekla: how did they post it is the question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 907 @ 0.0012 = 1.0884 BTC
kakobrekla: hm?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 130000 @ 0.0012 = 156 BTC
punkman: !t h amhash3
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH3] 1D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (167376 shares, 200.85120000 BTC), 7D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (386419 shares, 463.70280000 BTC), 30D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (806427 shares, 967.71240000 BTC)
punkman: why so stable
punkman: ipo mode?
punkman: yep
kakobrekla: !s Naphex
assbot: 2876 results for 'Naphex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Naphex
kakobrekla: still dont get it wtf happened there
kakobrekla: can anyone enlighten me?
punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/18/misfortune_cookie/
assbot: Misfortune Cookie crumbles router security: '12 MILLION+' in hijack risk • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFgYFa )
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Seems Naphex and HoreaV have a dispute. More details and drama are probably coming out eventually. Since Naphex hasn't defaced the hell of of the site or run away with everything it seems someone probably broke a contract and they are probably going to try suing the hell out of each other.
kakobrekla: fun
mats: what a waste of time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00064117 = 8.9123 BTC [+]
jurov: "the admin took control of the server"
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/former-moneygram-executive-sued-by-us-government/
BingoBoingo: From the "they have scales" department http://www.cnbc.com/id/102041473
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtHwJK )
BingoBoingo: "10 reasons Preet Bharara should be the next attorney general"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 886 @ 0.00120722 = 1.0696 BTC [+] {2}
davout: jurov: it's quite strange that they then somehow manage to publish a notice on the server
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00064136 = 13.2441 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 209 @ 0.00684 = 1.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38849 @ 0.00064959 = 25.2359 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bharara << roland freisler !
ben_vulpes: bahahara
asciilifeform: brahaha!
thestringpuller: berry punny guise
asciilifeform: (see also 'muhaha', 'bwahaha', etc.)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform laughs "muhaha' as he starts up a proto-cardano
thestringpuller: "IT LIVES! IT LIVES!"
Potissimus: hi, <- Naphex. AMA
TomServo: ;;ident Potissimus
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Potissimus', with hostmask 'Potissimus!uid57177@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzdrxcdqcetzydlv', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
asciilifeform: Potissimus: didja do it ?
Potissimus: do what?
asciilifeform: Potissimus: http://qntra.net/2014/12/btcxchange-ro-dispute-heats-up << that
assbot: btcXchange.ro Dispute Heats Up | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4tzDi )
Potissimus: well he never had access to the servers
Potissimus: the servers are locked down, no remote management
Potissimus: you bring em up with KVM Console from the guys from the DC
Potissimus: they contain the authoritive data, why access them
Potissimus: in controlled situations you bring them up, deploy and then take them down
Potissimus: he didn't have the source codes as well
Potissimus: all sources codes were on my own private repository
Potissimus: all the time
Potissimus: and prejudices, there are none. on the bitcoin side
Potissimus: fiat side is his own responsability and he is the only one with access
Potissimus: to the bank accounts and whatever
ben_vulpes: what was the contractual dispute?
Potissimus: huge subect, 3 main parts
Potissimus: but the deal breaker was him starting to threaten me
Potissimus: and not stopping
Potissimus: i just ignored him, and he did all this on his own
ben_vulpes: hang on, back up.
Potissimus: okay so 3 main parts
ben_vulpes: you were in a business relationship - yourself on the btc/dev/ops side, himself on the fiat banking/regulatory side, correct?
Potissimus: yes
ben_vulpes: nm carry on with your parts :)
Potissimus: a) he started running a fractional reserve, i only noticed when i heard there werent sufficient funds to send from the fiat side. to fill the withdrawal queue
Potissimus: it wasn't a problem, but it was a 1 day delay with the funds from bitstamp
Potissimus: but that shouldn't have happen, since the fiat side should've been 100% reserve
ben_vulpes: lol fractional reserve not a problem? hilarious, but go on
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kakobrekla: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: o.O check itout, new names ? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: new drama, even.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the entire btcexchange thing : i know both the people involved, on the grounds they took a trip to timisoara.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, naphex explained what was going on as was going on, to the usual barrage of "i told you so"
Potissimus: yes :(
Potissimus: very true
mircea_popescu: basically, the horeav dude is a redneck doofus on a power trip, and lying through his teeth.
ben_vulpes: in the log?
Potissimus: with 6 month advance worning from mp
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in teh private.
Potissimus: warning*
Potissimus: should've left then
ben_vulpes: mm.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you should have seen the dude show up for a business meeting, white cotton wife beater & audi.
mircea_popescu: it was like depeche mode came to visit.
asciilifeform: lol!
ben_vulpes: awww man
ben_vulpes: "yes i'd like a martini please"
ben_vulpes: "how would you like that, sir"
ben_vulpes: "uhhh however"
mircea_popescu: anyway, romania is traditionally cheap, and the dude figures hey, why shouldn't programmer work butt off for 400 euro/month or w/e.
TomServo: Redneck indeed. An audi requires a silk wifebeater, amateurs!
mircea_popescu: because yes, the world really and desperately needs "entrepreneurs" from neanderthal.
mircea_popescu: Potissimus who're you again ?
ben_vulpes: naphex.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: what happened there ?
ben_vulpes: a rose by any other name?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident Potissimus
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Potissimus', with hostmask 'Potissimus!uid57177@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzdrxcdqcetzydlv', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: ;;rated naphex
gribble: You rated user naphex on Thu May 15 21:01:35 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: btcxchange.ro.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated horeav
gribble: You have not yet rated user horeav
mircea_popescu: mkay.
mircea_popescu: jurov lol those are a lot like buridan's ass!
mircea_popescu: so anyway, other that europe's other decent exchange imploding, how is everyone ?
Potissimus: fine
Potissimus: i guess :\
ben_vulpes: evaluating odd emails threads i seem to be mistakenly cc'd on: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Zq1qJJ2w
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1r8vrc6 )
Potissimus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895413.140 the bitcointalk thread, for others interested.
assbot: NOTIFICARE IMPORTANTĂ: vă rugăm să va retrageți toate fondurile din BTCXchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1r8vrsw )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol ?
mircea_popescu: you had an acct ?
thestringpuller: the real question mircea_popescu is how is your vacation?
mircea_popescu: my vacation has developed a number of breasts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00065512 = 22.8309 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu vacationing in pripyat', or in fukushima ?
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: (for the romanian ear, fukishima mostly sounds like "fuck you and your mother")
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this one you'll apreciate : a good insult to gift someone is "bezmetic"
mircea_popescu: literally from the slavic queenless
asciilifeform: aha, 'without king in his head'
mircea_popescu: queen yo!
asciilifeform has, at most, a demented old colonel in his head, no royalty
mircea_popescu: me googles devotional sex for alf's rounding.
asciilifeform: devotional sex << inana !?!
asciilifeform: babylon ?
mircea_popescu: !s devotionalsex
assbot: 0 results for 'devotionalsex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=devotionalsex
mircea_popescu: psssshhh
asciilifeform: y'know, on the altar, on the pyramid
asciilifeform: where else.
rithm: back seat of a 74 vw beetle?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform do you mind if I call you alfie?
thestringpuller: (i kid ofc)
mircea_popescu: alrightywell, merry xmas everyone!
BingoBoingo: Merry titsmas mircea_popescu
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thestringpuller: !b 1 ✂︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 500 @ 0.00684 = 3.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3400 @ 0.00121483 = 4.1304 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 874 @ 0.0012 = 1.0488 BTC
thestringpuller: ;;google mpoe-pr so you want to start a bitcoin business
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
thestringpuller: nanotube: what's going on with gribble's google query?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00064522 = 5.2263 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: btw ddos is gone (temporarily?) ☟︎☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
rithm: it's been borked for a few days, anything google related
rithm: ;;ud and ;;lmgtfy
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lmgtfy | lmgtfy = (abbreviation) let me google that for you www.lmgtfy.com lets you google for someone else. So for example, instead of answering a question...
rithm: well nm i'm a moron
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl please to add contravex to the blogroll :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: it's been too long b-a...
pete_dushenski: yes, i'm alive and still doing my own scoopbotting
cazalla: pete_dushenski, can't believe you fell for au cinema scam lol
pete_dushenski: ha!
pete_dushenski: well it's not my fault the weather has been shite and pushed me indoors
jurov: ;;seen scoopbot
gribble: scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <scoopbot> New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/former-moneygram-executive-sued-by-us-government/
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski is too busy being a pimp
thestringpuller: lol
pete_dushenski: heh
pete_dushenski: it's not as big of a time commitment as you'd imagine
cazalla: tbh, i assumed it was the same elsewhere, real shame what they've done to cinema here
pete_dushenski: it's worse here
pete_dushenski: i knew cars were 50% more expensive, food too, shouldn't be surprising that movies are as well
pete_dushenski: but the ads...
pete_dushenski: those are on another level
cazalla: ya, last time i went, i was ready to start smashing things
pete_dushenski: i was shocked with the number of *local* ads
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: you expect the pepsi, bmw, etc.
pete_dushenski: but the local pie shop?
ben_vulpes: a pete!
pete_dushenski: is me!
Potissimus: laters o/
pete_dushenski: how goes the wedgies and foundationing ben_vulpes ?
pete_dushenski: alright, self-scoopage time:
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/05/bitcoin-leconomie-de-la-debrouillardise-international-aka-systeme-di/
assbot: Bitcoin: L’Économie de la Débrouillardise International, aka “Système DI” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdwOZW )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/signs-of-sydney/
assbot: Signs of Sydney | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdwRox )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/stalking-black-swans-in-canberra-the-city-of-plans/
assbot: Stalking Black Swans In Canberra: The City Of Plans | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdwQkj )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/16/when-your-kids-ask-you-what-a-computer-is-take-them-to-melbourne/
assbot: When Your Kids Ask You What A Computer Is, Take Them To Melbourne. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdwSsw )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/17/a-swimming-pool-of-idle-tears-wont-spare-the-affirmative-action-fallguy-shes-still-the-canary/
assbot: A swimming pool of idle tears won’t spare the affirmative action fallguy. She’s still the canary. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdwSJd )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/18/smoking-causes-cancer-and-other-humourously-enraging-consequences-of-regulatory-capture/
assbot: Smoking causes cancer, and other humourously enraging consequences of regulatory capture | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdwUk6 )
pete_dushenski: fin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00063554 = 11.4397 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski wrote us a novel
thestringpuller: lol
pete_dushenski: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5333 @ 0.00060165 = 3.2086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15787 @ 0.00059229 = 9.3505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2558 @ 0.0012 = 3.0696 BTC
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pt4kl/reddit_announces_reddit_notes_aka_reddit_bitcoin/ << this is by far the most redditarded thing reddit has come up with by far
thestringpuller: reddit has officially gone full retard
jurov: http://imgur.com/cvlRAJC << i have looked for /r/dogecoin reaction, found this
jurov: and buttcoiners are grabbing popcorn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 869 @ 0.0012 = 1.0428 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1187 @ 0.0012 = 1.4244 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
cazalla: scoopbot, wru! http://qntra.net/2014/12/charlie-shrem-on-his-two-year-prison-sentence-justice-has-been-served/
assbot: Charlie Shrem On His Two Year Prison Sentence: "Justice Has Been Served" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/13KqY5b )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3751 @ 0.0012 = 4.5012 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24649 @ 0.00066493 = 16.3899 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00066832 = 4.8286 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: mthreat, mircea_popescu: http://bubblear.com/bloody-hell-argentinas-import-restrictions-cause-tampon-shortage/ << corroboration?
assbot: Bloody Hell: Argentina's Import Restrictions Cause Tampon Shortage | The Bubble | News from Argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1sHBZd9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41134 @ 0.00062009 = 25.5068 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: cazalla: you around?
cazalla: yup
danielpbarron: !up agorecki
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1121 @ 0.0012 = 1.3452 BTC
agorecki: I'm surprised that so many people choose to have channel joins / parts displayed. I have to leave them off because there are too many in high population channels
agorecki: Hmm. My IRC client actually does support turning that on and off on a per channel basis. I guess I'll make use of that feature then :|