assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 22:38:48; mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours?
mats: when you've got a chance, i'd like a look at some of those links
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 22:27:30; ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00040375 = 11.3656 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nukeman looks like a solid computer
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ?
mod6: ok gcc 4.5.4 is built... trying...
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mod6: guess like we're gonna have to get this patch to work
mod6 creates new AMI with updated stage3
mod6: this is just v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + { Gentoo Sanity Patches }
mod6: well, i tried v4.9.2 and that didn't work either.
mod6: and ben didn't like the idea of using anything >4.8.4
mod6: and old version such as 3.4.6-r2 dones't work because no "hardening" such as PIE
mod6: yeah, weeks ago I did try to recompile with -fPIC
mod6: didn't help anything.
mod6: we're still dealing with this error.
mod6: i dunno, i dont have it handy.
mod6: i can add -fPIC in there quick and try again though
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mod6: ok with you if i just do like:
mod6: HARDENING+=-fPIE -pie -fPIC
mod6: last i recall i did this, i got the exact same message...
mod6: maybe im wrong about that.
mod6: well, and it was with gcc 4.8.4, not 4.5.4 (as it is now)
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mod6: yeah exact same message, but i don't see the -fPIC flag in there... maybe im not adding that in there correctly?
mod6: ok sure, will post makefile
mod6: makefile (for bitcoin ^)
mod6: trinque: any idea how to do that? (recompile uclibc with a specific flag?)
trinque: sounds like ebuild munging
trinque: mod6: could patch the Makefile using that patches mechanism
mod6: i usually do that too.
thestringpuller: thx asciilifeform i accidentally msg'd you instead of assbot
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: been watching this dumb netflix show "Orange is the new black" the russian mobster woman says a lot of the same stuff you do.
thestringpuller: well for instance she was talking about valentina tereshkova, and said something like, "She's petitioning putin to go to mars, cause the russians, they stay focused"
thestringpuller: i guess it's more of a "vibe" kinda thing. the "doesn't fuck around staying focused" kinda vibe.
mod6: trinque: you think what i'm looking for (at least the ebuilds for uclibc) are in here? /usr/portage/sys-libs/uclibc?
trinque: that's where the ebuilds are
trinque: the build-stuff is in /var/tmp/portage
trinque: there's probably a flag to have it dump out the goods there, but not build
trinque: if not you could maybe start the build then kill it, then go there and hax
mod6: huh, how do i even figure out what version of uclibc I'm using?
trinque: mod6: equery tells you that, I think, and lots of other useful stuff
mod6: ok we'll take this back to pm
mod6: ok found it: libuClibc-0.9.33.2.so
mod6: think something like this will work?
mod6: it's building now...
mod6: asciilifeform: uClibc built & completed install.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0748 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: yeah. not the best tool but seems like a less shitty effort to show version strings offered by things purporting to be bitcoin nodes
mod6: i got the same error as before asciilifeform. maybe i screwed something up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93900 @ 0.00039489 = 37.0802 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: well, so here's the deal. I can't get it to compile "by hand". meaning, that if i extract the 2 bzip'd files for uclibc: uClibc-0.9.33.2.tar.bz2 & uClibc-0.9.33.2-patches.tar.bz2 and then patch the former with the latter with something like this: for i in `ls ../patch/*.patch | sort` ; do patch -p1 < ../patch/$i ; done
mod6: it patches cleanly, and then I add -fPIC to the makefile as shown before.
mod6: but then it doesn't compile.
mod6: if I add a simple patch file for the -fPIC to /etc/portage/patches/sys-lib/<patchfile> and then emerge uclibc, then it builds, but the outcome is the same of the bitcoind compilation
mod6: gotta re-run it. just a sc.
mod6: oh and during a "manual" build, it pops up with a ncurses config screen, i just used the defaults.
mod6: although one thing in there allows for usage of arc4random (a note for later maybe) but i left it unselected.
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mod6: in the menuconfig, this is selected by default:
mod6: [*] Generate only Position Independent Code (PIC) (NEW)
mod6: this is what the help screen says for this option ^^
mod6: uClibc-0.9.33.2 # grep "DOPIC" .config
mod6: anyway, ran it again, same error. and it looks to me that PIC should be compiled in by default.
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mod6: tomorrow i'm going to create a new gentoo AMI with the stage3 from 20150610
mod6: then i can start over i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coupla days is apparently like two weeks. blockchain's about 1/4 there tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wanted to use perhaps the oldest chain still in continuous existence
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mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda why i'm bothering. this is the mother of them all.
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mircea_popescu: eventually people get old, so they sit around an' compare.
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mircea_popescu: <assbot> Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ? <<< nobody you'd ever hear about.
mircea_popescu: kinda like asking whether any "movie star" is ever not under contract.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would she be a movie star if she weren't ?
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phf: hello, i had some free time so i built bitcoind with patches up to "ver 5_4" on os x 10.8
phf: it's doing all the right things, i.e. wouldn't connect until explicitly given addnode, discurding bastard blocks, hovering at 62mb. block count 129821 right now
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jurov: did anyone with phuctored key write to you?
mircea_popescu: at least a coupla wrote to me to derp, back during the slashdot censorship days
mircea_popescu: punkman1 i'm frankly surprised at the hefty chunk left in the 90 days range. i think that graph is bogus, and the real graph is a lot more like f'(x) = f(x)^3.something, where we take probabilities as from 0 to 1.
mircea_popescu: cazalla aww i was looking for a "as BingoBoingo said...". shame on 'em.
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mircea_popescu: "Councillor Karen Danczuk, wife of Labour MP for Rochdale, Simon, has been tweeting selfies that show her cleavage. The 31-year-old councillor for Kingsway, who also runs a deli with her husband, has uploaded photos of her cleavage in a bikini and another of her bare legs."
mircea_popescu: o noes, the bare legs of some rural wench. england prevails!
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mircea_popescu: "With its subversive political allegory - including a terrorist as the leading man - and clear-cut leftist sensibilities, V for Vendetta is the kind of movie that the conservative right will have a field day with."
mircea_popescu: check it out, idiots imagine everything that happens is by idiots, about idiots, for idiots.
mircea_popescu: "The problem, of course, is that this is also the United Kingdom in the world we live in right now."
mircea_popescu: nazi[onal] socialism being, of course, just another socialism.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.00041892 = 43.1069 BTC [+]
jurov: anime fangirls would kill for these eyes
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i forgot to ask.. did the spammer login with the password or hammer login with various passwords until he got in?
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mircea_popescu: the latter. there's two different things killing you if you try too many times.
mircea_popescu: from the logs, at some random point he just shows up, logs in and fills my buffers.
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funkenstein_: blogger claims feelings matter, doesn't know travel or whores exist, kills self
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cazalla: "Everyday people hurt my feelings and its not fair. " lol k
cazalla: damn, he was 0 for 1500 with asian women
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assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 12:33:27; funkenstein_: blogger claims feelings matter, doesn't know travel or whores exist, kills self
funkenstein_: despite his inability to adjust strategy, he has 1) identified a common stupidity 2) taken action
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whores make the only sort of wife worth having tho.
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 13:13:53; funkenstein_: Next time, Teach English in Guangzhou
mircea_popescu: wife not being much of a whore is a little like husband not being much of a soldier.
Eulorian: entre porque me llamo la atencion un titulo en la web
Eulorian: pero veo que el juego es para linux o estoy errado
Eulorian: donde puedo entrar porque entre a una web que solo tenia archivos tar.gz
Eulorian: que creo q son extensiones linux
mircea_popescu: dja mean "no mas" = not any more, or do you mean nema, as in, none ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146018 @ 0.00041443 = 60.5142 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny how slavic spanish is. i suppose it's due to them both starting with s.
punkman:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9771219 "They value "the right technical decision" over human relationships and it doesn't seem to occur to them that the right outcome might be the one that makes someone else happy, or is the most diplomatic, even if it isn't "technically right"."
punkman: maybe if you stopped breaking things they'd like you
mircea_popescu: anyone who values "personal relationships" / "people themselves" / whatever other feel good idiotarianism over "abstract rules" / "technical" / blabla is ipso facto an idiot.
mircea_popescu: the entire trade is predicated on "in the contest between what's right and what's pleasant - i pick the pleasant"
mircea_popescu: and when the fuck did "hacker" news turn into pink collar support group already. if you don't like working with the people that make the things you like to use, go webcam.
mircea_popescu: and complain about how the speed of light is unfair and the camera view should be less made out of straight lines.
jurov: yes, for example chetty should stubborny say that eulora codebase stinks and she must redo it completely?
jurov: i got an impression mp reels against something different that the OP
mircea_popescu: jurov haha ask chetty sometime how many times this redo completely already happened :D
midnightmagic: lol look at his post history. dude's a deliberate troll man
mircea_popescu: i think the loot code was rewritten fully about four times. this doesn't count all the times it got partially rewritten.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you know that theory that past a certain level of stupidity the two are indistinguishable yes ?
mircea_popescu: what she means when she says things like " she did not really know this part/the client thing in that much detail" is simply that well... she didn't have to rewrite it three-four times yet
punkman: I don't see this deliberate trolling you mention
midnightmagic: The other markers of stupidity are absent; his grammar is nearly perfect, and the observations are ironic and deeply philosophical -- *as troll posts*.
mircea_popescu is too meh over the entire ycombinator kaboodle to go look at hn.
mircea_popescu: punkman ahaha someone should just replace the pics with pot and stuff, then republish it.
midnightmagic: sunglasses in the bath would work better if there was actual sunlight which made the sunglasses a requirement
mircea_popescu: or if there wasn't steam, which is the bane of every glasses wearer.
punkman: dude sucks at tying rope too
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mircea_popescu: finally, smoking in a steamy room also sucks. both because wet tobacco and because the steam-smoke mixture is like... ew.
mircea_popescu: basically, he is very bad at everything he attempts, and attempts a lot of things at the same time.
mircea_popescu: oic. shame on them for hiring locally. there are some washington "civil servants" married to "entrepreneurs" that'd eagerly sell russia on the same process gavincoin used!
mircea_popescu: worked so well, too. and it wasn't even too expensive!
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jurov: that would require more middlemen, with money leaking out at every step
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jurov: joint american/russian embezzlement force.. now that's something to behold
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021444 B (Total: 426.05 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;calc 0.0002144/1.05
jurov: ;;calc 0.0002144/1.01
jurov: ;;calc 0.0002144*1.01
jurov: ;;calc 0.0002144*1.05
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00040165 = 40.1248 BTC [-]
shinohai: When you forget to hire a proofreader ....
jurov: more like proofthinker
jurov: pedophile lobby spreading anti russian propaganda, news at 11
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 18:17:10; asciilifeform: (yet another reason to run on a double-converter 'ups' or at least an isolator transformer!)
lobbes: 'Also in order to have all 7 billion people use the blockchain directly' << hehe good one
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 18:18:35; asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but seems like overkill for home desktop
mircea_popescu: tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91600 @ 0.00040165 = 36.7911 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: perhaps a ps2 isolatior or batter powered kboard
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: or is that what you mean by 'ps2 isolator' ?
kakobrekla: if its made properly it should be good afaik but dont take my word for it
mircea_popescu: i doubt battery powered antenna is any weaker than mains powered antenna
pete_dushenski: ^heh i was thinking about this eulora question, time to test my answers against the back page !
kakobrekla: pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues
☟︎ pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol the window was probably a few weeks. tops.
kakobrekla: i havent tried but it not impossible a different cable would fix this
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kakobrekla: pete_dushenski just wait for ascii to piss on my suggestions.
pete_dushenski: such is the risk of conversing where experts can see you.
pete_dushenski: i'm sure he'll take a megaton dump on that little canadian ebay toy
pete_dushenski: lulzy thing is that these machines still exist in canada even though 'penny' was phased out last year
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'And this is what I cal disruptive.' <<
ascii_field: if getting the latter, find a secondhand unit with missing or rotten battery, replace by yourself (100 to 200 usd, assemble the pack manually)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: thoughts on the 'hammond' unit linked above ?
jurov: well... sure it does not have blown output? can it be returned if so?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: the hammond thing looks like just isolator, not stabilizer
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pete_dushenski: so that meta-lisard-nsa doesn't read my keystrokes through the mains ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they're reading them from black van, cheaper atm
jurov: (i have replaced battery in my cheapo ups, tested it with 40W bulb... in shock watched the visible jitter, and it put out ~160V instead of 220)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: and what about tmrw, when this moment has come and gone ?
pete_dushenski wants to plan ahead, prepare for future, build warchest.
ascii_field always thought 'warchest' meant gigantic bag of money (or, at least, ammo)
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 15:41:10; mircea_popescu: tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms
punkman: how would you mitigate that?
ascii_field: punkman: there is no 'off the shelf' consumer appliance that will do a lick of good here.
ascii_field: you could make own keyboard using fiber strain gauges, for instance.
ascii_field: surrender is the ultimate 'user friendly' (2nd only to death)
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 15:52:32; kakobrekla: pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues
ascii_field: (linked article also describes optical snooping using mechanical vibration & reflections of sunlight etc)
ascii_field: i will describe what is probably the cheapest way to make a 'stealth keyboard' . but no one will like it.
ascii_field: so, consider a kaleidoscope. copper barrel, like victorian telescopes etc. eyepiece - glass, indium oxide (scavenge from old lcd; electrically conductive)
ascii_field: inside - led matrix 8x8, non-scanned, displays one letter.
ascii_field: device picks where in alphabet to start - at random (trng)
ascii_field: it is important that nothing can be determined by looking at user!
ascii_field: because you do not know where in the alphabet it began, each time.
mircea_popescu: how about getting a picture of a whole keyboard rather than a key then
ascii_field: 8x8 non-scanned is practical. beyond that (e.g. graphical lcd) you now have a scanning matrix!
ascii_field ~did warn~ that no one will like this keyboard.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the part where the serbs were breaking nato codes is never given much airplay.
ascii_field: it also would be logical for whatever consumes the sooper s33kr17 text string (e.g., salted password hasher) to actually live in that brass tube.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu true, id say its more likely nato self leak, but anyway, the radar thing is quite lulzy
ascii_field: phun phakt: detecting 'stealth' airplane is easier today than ever
ascii_field: because of the cell tower shadow it creates
ascii_field: still works great for original purpose for which was built (siphon of usg budget to good ol'boys, what did you think it was)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field a magical toothpick works just as well for that purpose.
ascii_field: state of the art re: minimality, short of plain old $trillion-in-paper-cash-'missing'-in-iraq sort of siphon
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williamdunne: Will publish anything that he posts here on twitter also
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't get this distinction you propose. so "unlike the cryptocurrency Bitcoin, Gold seized immediately preserves its full exchange value.", what's this mean, that people paid less for faux Bitcoin the USMS was pretending to be selling than for faux Bitcoin pirate was pretending to be going to pay them ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127750 @ 0.00040827 = 52.1565 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: It means that if you seize some bitcoin and send it immediately to herpity derp service they might turp their way into "returning it" out of some misguided notion of ownership. Gotta at least use a solid mixer like BitBet
mats: this is not comprehensible
BingoBoingo: It isn't an actual property of Bitcoins. It is a failing of the social structuring of the stupid.
mircea_popescu: someone could steal your gold after you sent it just as well, what's that to do with the gold ?
mircea_popescu: most of the gold the spanish sent to spain ended up in london.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I was refering to the need to get the keys or the coins, as in you can't take a laptop "full of Bitcoin" and have seized the coins: "Bitcoin on the other hand demands not only mere physical possession, but actual control of a set of keys necessary to transfer value. While gold is vulnerable to a simple change of possession, Bitcoin requires a more difficult but possible intellectual change of possession."
mircea_popescu: do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ?
mircea_popescu: this is true. nevertheless, bitcoin is very elitist by its nature, which flows from this.
mircea_popescu: ie, it enforces a "must be this tall to ride" limit rather than allowing people to delude themselves about it
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 17:00:45; ascii_field: it is the ultimate 'iq test'
ascii_field: speaking of 'brainwallet', mircea_popescu's picture of usg prison where 'lifetime pension' is probably not long for this world.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ? << At the time more physical possession of gold is different from possession of bitcoin
ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don't buy from paypal, you expect me to trade with your vending machine ? wtf is this, "free market the way we like it" ?
ascii_field: machine will be marked 'mean - 5btc. skipped arse dilation session - 10.'
mircea_popescu: for the record, that system already exists, for wall street pencildicks.
mircea_popescu: about half the people currently working there have this episode in their life, "give us all your money and we'll agree to not let you work for x years"
mircea_popescu: it's pretty automated as it is. look through wall street "prosecutions" sometime.
mircea_popescu: the reason there's nothing left there but crooks is precisely that the onl;y deal available is "i try to steal as much as i can, if you catch me you get it and i take a vacation"
ascii_field: today 'vacation', tomorrow - esp. if they suspect you haven't in fact given 'it all' - the vending machine.
ascii_field: this is what being a prisoner ~means~ - you are a plaything for someone else's amusement
ascii_field: to use in laboratory for experiments, if they like.
ascii_field: worked great in cn (jp jailers experimenting with 'what internal organs does this fella ~really~ need' etc)
ascii_field: 'vending machine' is inevitable because, unlike torquemada's chambers, it ~can be built by 'pencil dicks'~
ascii_field: like washing machine. throw schmuck in, get btc out, eventually remove dessicated corpse, rinse, repeat.
ascii_field: everybody stands a risk of being taken alive, and ought to be prepared mentally for this device.
mats: voluntold organ harvesting is still an ongoing thing in cn
ascii_field: mats: works great with above setup. optionally jailer doesn't wait for you to starve, a few wks without any signal from vending machine & you go to the harversing table (wide awake naturally)
mats: makes a lot of economic sense. why waste good meat.
ascii_field: but in the future, death in captivity will be mainly about being 'helped to remember' brainwallets.
ascii_field: for famous (or otherwise 'ransomable') folks, machine will have an externally-advertised btc addr
ascii_field: perhaps painted on outside wall of the jail
chetty: ascii_field should write sci-fi
ascii_field: i don't have a prayer of doing half as good a job as hanbot on this one.
mats: 'donate 4btc to 1Alf153X to rotate asciilifeform's cell over shark pit'
mats: '5btc for quadrant with dogs'
ascii_field: ^ this'll be for candidates for 'national 5 minute hate'
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mircea_popescu: clarke wrote scifi. orwell wrote emofi. not the same thing at all.
ascii_field: it's like orwell's 'telescreen' thing. inevitable tech
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ascii_field: incidentally, usg - like the regime portrayed by orwell - spends $maxint on attempts to 'read minds'. not always even laughably stupid - the mri 'has seen this object or not before' trick appears to actually work
ascii_field: and could, in combination with something like the letter wheel described earlier, 'help remember wallet'
ascii_field: (and before someone chimes in with 'so don't use brainwallet' - ~every~ wallet that you can get to, but mr schmuck can't, because you know where you buried it, etc. is in fact a 'brainwallet')
ascii_field: i'd much like to hear a persuasive argument re: why all of the above won't happen.
mats: my memory palace is dark and full of terrors
punkman: because it blows up trying to verify all transactions
ascii_field: if it doesn't verify, it didn't happen in bitcoin ?
ascii_field: does the ~genuine~, honest blockchain actually contain blocks that never verified ?
punkman: they verified at some combination of bitcoind and openssl
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mod6: ascii_field: re: checkpoints: the patch worked fine to remove checkpoints, but it was tabled for the time being. the main discussion around this was that it could be helpful to hvae checkpoints in there to prevent spamming of blocks from timestamps before a checkpoint.
☟︎ mod6: at a later time when we have everything setup for a checkpoint configuration file, then we can revisit.
ascii_field: i'm all for having them in there minus the 'skip checks prior to checkpoints' thing
ascii_field: skipping sig verifications ever, for any reason, is braindamaged
ascii_field: mod6: the original (in there now) checkpoint code
mod6: the part you're talking about is in main.cpp right?
mod6: ascii_field: so you're saying you'd like to just git rid of line 939?
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2015 04:26:05; asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true
mod6: yeah, line 1099 sets it to true.
ben_vulpes: what happens if the blockchain contains invalid blocks?
ben_vulpes: coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints?
ben_vulpes: not that they're not zombies already, but...
ben_vulpes: my point is that they're still walking.
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ascii_field: at the very least i want to know ~why~ invalid block made it into the chain
ascii_field: and whether it is actually cryptographically invalid, or only protocol-invalid
ascii_field: (i.e. invalid on account of a field that can be corrected today without changing validity of signature)
ascii_field: iirc this got lost in the noise of the great wedge thing at the time
ascii_field: and was forgotten when bdb locks patch discovered
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mod6: So anyway, we'll have to remember this when we revist the Checkpoints issue. My patch will be rejected then, and we'll come up with something that gets rid of line 939 as well as pulling the checkpoints themselves out of checkpoints.cpp and into a separate config file.
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jurov: on slightly related note, we hatched with thestringpuller a scheme for poor USians to take hold of X.EUR
jurov: when it works, we'll let you know
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jurov: (or you can inquire within if impatient)
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mircea_popescu: i think that's gonna be the bitcoin thing - we're here to surprise you.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints? << this is necessarily true. bitcoin hardforked once.
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ascii_field: btw any reason not to amputate 'testnet' ?
nubbins`: with no wallet, what's the worst you'd do to it?
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ascii_field: nubbins`: in point of fact, therealbitcoin includes wallet
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc the agreement was that it can go, as it serves no useful purpose nor has for a long time - but not a priority. we're atm working on getting the priorities in AND RUNNING
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: other than the observation that shorter -> simpler -> everything is slightly less retarded and easier to make sense of
thestringpuller: it will be interesting the posts on reddit when you kill gavincoin just like doge mircea_popescu
punkman: mircea_popescu: re:blender, why send paypal instead of btc (or even a wire)?
mircea_popescu: punkman because a) when i first asked, their idea was "buy a mug" ; b) the link i finally fished out did not include any reference either i or fluffypony found (see it in logs) - they have A DIFFERENT unlinked page for this purpose
☟︎ nubbins`: thought it was the other way around
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nubbins`: nubbins bedalins, is that like amelia bedelia?
thestringpuller: they are pushing the blender cloud service pretty hard these days
punkman: what's the cloud service for, rendering?
mircea_popescu: anyway - this is what the vanishing 1% intelligent gpu bitcoin miners did with their rigs.
thestringpuller: punkman: no it's like MSDN but for blender revolging around an open source movie
nubbins`: it's like adobe CC but for blender?
thestringpuller: Blender Cloud is a high quality web service in which we share all data of our previous films, all our training videos and files, and a continuous stream of data from the Gooseberry project.
thestringpuller: Blender Cloud subscribers can watch the creation progress closely, share this with others, learn from it, and even contribute back to it.
trinque: it's like... facebook, but for blender users, y'see
cazalla: about $2.99/kg atm but every few years the storms destroy the plantations and up the price goes
cazalla: that is for cavendish, lady fingers are around $7.50-$10/kg
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: What is the drink you have in your blender picture?
mircea_popescu: that is actually a mexican sundae. except with cognac.
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nubbins`: "My boss wouldn't accept Bitcoin. I have since quit my job"
williamdunne: Blender Foundation can receive Bitcoin donations made using the following address:
nubbins` weeps as his sides crumble and fall
nubbins`: "My boss wouldn't accept Bitcoin. I have since quit my job, set up a competitor"
nubbins`: of course the fucking dog dick is a "web designer"
nubbins`: someone should do a browser extension that changes all instances of "boss" in /r/bitcoin to "parents"
mircea_popescu: also leaves, bits of their own front yard, inept 6yo drawings on bits of wallpaper etc
williamdunne: In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50%
☟︎ trinque: "mom you stupid whore! where's my hot pocket?!"
thestringpuller: my mom woulda put me in the ground had I spoken like that to her as a kid
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 21:27:00; williamdunne: In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50%
williamdunne: ascii_field: nah, but USG stats are what, 4%? I reckon 10% is about right
ascii_field: (usg counts as 'employed' anyone of working age who isn't collecting state-funded 'unemployment pension')
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nubbins`: out of work and not looking? you're not unemployed.
trinque: thestringpuller: I'm a firm believer in post-natal abortion rights.
williamdunne: I always thought the stat was meant to reflect those looking for work who can't find it
mircea_popescu: i thought unemployed is "hasn't made 1mn clicks on fb stuff this month"
mircea_popescu: better get the pm request special powers to investigate the content of people clicks
mircea_popescu: otherwise we will never be able to answer this dilemma.
nubbins`: i think that's included in the next omnibus bill
nubbins`: gotta get it going before mulcair gets elected
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pete_dushenski: trinque: that's called 'infanticide' and will apparently kill your chances with teh ladies
pete_dushenski: not unlike williamdunne telling them they belong in the kitchen, i suppose
trinque: pete_dushenski: so I hear, yet primate infanticide is most certainly a thing.
☟︎ trinque: I've seen more than a few things published on whether "sudden infant death syndrome" (obviously a questionable concept on its own) is a more palatable "diagnosis" for infanticide
mircea_popescu: eh from what i've heard, they convicted a buncha women for what actually was bona fide kids dying
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu go figure that the courts would find personal responsbility where there is none to counterbalance their continued lenience when it's actually there, as with 'insanity' pleas.
trinque: yeah, I can see how the thing resembles other media-fueled panics
mircea_popescu: i suppose on the surface "sudden infant death" seems insanity, as adults don't do anything like that.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, spontaneous abortion is a thing, and obviously children inhabit some sort of continuum between that and adulthood, so...
pete_dushenski: and the scope of science such as it exists currently is woefully inadequate to study the matter
mircea_popescu: not that inadequate. iirc it's the leading cause of death in small children in the western world.
pete_dushenski: i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but so far most of the productions on the topic are "smoking is bad and vaccines good mkay"
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pete_dushenski: trying to control variables in any such sids experiment would require insane amounts of data and coordination
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 22:00:51; trinque: pete_dushenski: so I hear, yet primate infanticide is most certainly a thing.
punkman: dunno about humans, but baby goat is delicious
mircea_popescu spent his decade or so of acquaintance with indian cuisine eating pretty much nothing but lamb.
BingoBoingo: Goat and lamb both delicious, as are suckling pigs
punkman: kinda hard to distinguish baby goat/lamb after cooking, at least for my taste buds
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BingoBoingo: punkman: The difference is in the preparation that takes it to that point.
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assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 22:17:37; pete_dushenski: i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia"
phf: so i'm running thermonuked version: at 180k blockcount, i got 44526 bastards, 44007 of which have been eventually accepted with an average 3 minute delay.
phf: bitcoind keeps rerequesting same bastard blocks before there's enough blockchain to accept it, on average i got 3-4 rejections for the same block, with a few worst cases of ~100 rerequests
phf: asciilifeform: that's how i understand it, just poor wording on my part
mircea_popescu: phf am i reading what you're saying correctly , "thermonuked more efficient network utilization" ?
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phf: asciilifeform: right, no surprises there so far. i thought that maybe as blockchain grows the cumulative delay will increase, but i don't see that happening yet
phf: ben_vulpes: heya! yeah, i quit my previous job, so i have a lot more time for avocation
phf: asciilifeform: a hunch, but also poor understanding of how blocks are requested. i thought that maybe bastards will compete for bandwidth with legitimate blocks
phf: bastard in this case is something that's will eventually be joined onto blockchain
phf: mircea_popescu: i guess thermonuked is less efficient network utilization, but per asciilifeform better then less efficient memory utilization which was the case pre thermonuke
mircea_popescu: phf do you intend to publish results of your run anywhere ?
phf: mircea_popescu: yes, will post here, once i have closer to complete blockchain
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phf: asciilifeform: memory fragmentation effect?
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mircea_popescu: "Mac has never been a viable platform for professional production 3d work"
mircea_popescu: the things one finds on the internet. i thought mac survived principally because graphics shitheads.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, apparently the problem is that whatever actual driver support they had, marginal as it was, they're chucking in the new osx
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ben_vulpes: the graphics shitheads were illustrator users, not blender users.
mircea_popescu: apple wants to be a "mobile platform". because it worked so well for nokia, and for samsung, and for fucking blackberry.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: design happens on macs.
ben_vulpes: i work with the 'agencies'. design happens on macs.
ben_vulpes: 'works' means different things for people who use computers vs program them.
mircea_popescu: oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ?
mircea_popescu: but runs as in what ? "can't access the driver, here's a nice welcome box" ?
mircea_popescu: if you want to process say a shader and it takes you half hour on mac and five minutes on gentoo then by this standard one would i guess say it doesn't work.
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mircea_popescu: those folks, whatever they may think, or wish the worlkd to be, still have to eat.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's not going to. i dunno whence this idea comes that something can run magically-like.
mircea_popescu: if they don't have decent driver suport they COULD make some in house abomiation circumvent it all, and so on
mircea_popescu: as the costs to prop it up just keep on growing and eventually tyhe whole "ecosystem" collapses
kakobrekla: >The Navy tried to sail away from XP in 2013, but it seemed to hit some headwind with the project as of May this year it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software.
mircea_popescu: looks more like, "neither nvidia nor amd were willing to go into a intel-ms deal with fucking apple, because who the fuck do those assholes think they are and it's about time they figured out a) jobs is deads and b) if he weren't he'd be in jail ; meanwhile apple won't talk to intel or asus etc because they think they're too good to deal with lesser babka, and so they're saying fuck you to the entire modern computing g
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't believe cook has the guts to even try.
mircea_popescu: they'll just pretend like the poroblem doesn't exist and will go away, like any mcdonalds.
mircea_popescu: anyway. jobs could have pulled something like this off, maybe, as an outlier result. mostly, he'd have failed miserably while denying it all along.
mircea_popescu: what idiots do isn't really in the scope of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: heck, yahoo briefcase apparently had users, when it closed.
mircea_popescu: "And that article Richard posted just seems to exist to stroke Apple's ego. I don't think I know a single artist who would choose to buy one of the new Mac Pros for their work, especially considering the premium you pay and their reliance on AMD hardware in a field dominated by nV and CUDA."
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mircea_popescu: "The crappy 3D support on Mac OS is in direct conflict with that goal. Furthermore, as a non-Mac OS user, I would kindly request that no disproportionate developer effort be spent on such an inadequate and developer-hostile platform.