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mats: mircea_popescu: cool. i appreciate your patience, still working on picking up latin and romanian. and maintaining the other languages bouncing around in my head.
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mats: mircea_popescu: 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
kakobrekla: now your bitcoin address will get ddosed :\
mats: asciilifeform: seen the latest on 'Ubuntu Core'? piles on piles of shit.
undata: I would laugh my ass off for days if MS ever bought Canonical
undata: asciilifeform: tried doing a localyesconfig on the Chrome OS?
undata: asciilifeform: nah, that would give you a kernel config for gentoo proper
undata: my most recent purchase was a lenovo x1 carbon
undata: the thinkpad brand is dead
undata: I'm pretty sure this one has a hardware issue; / remounts read-only sporadically
undata: yet there are no bad blocks to be found
undata: asciilifeform: perhaps, though restarting it without jiggling anything always works
undata: that's their move; buy things that can be bought, snatch the free stuff
undata: shovel out shiny thing covered in ads and spyware
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decimation: but in the case it wouldn't openbsd anymore
decimation: and one couldn't bake a meatloaf with particles of linux and call it 'linux'
decimation: I've been tagged with supporting a 'palo alto' vpn turd box. I'm pretty sure it's bsd
decimation: asciilifeform: only google knows the right bits to flip I guess
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decimation: they probably hired some taiwanese code monkeys to write drivers with the nda'ed full docs
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decimation: it pisses me off that one cannot buy a 100% nda free x86 system
decimation: I just want the spec and docs (with talmud of errata)
decimation: some intel peripheral chips are documented
decimation: well, I would give novena a hell of alot more credit if they actually shipped
decimation: it appears to me they have been 'prototyping' for about a year
decimation: and they are still 'fundraising' as far as I can tell
decimation: with a reasonable and open bus, it would be simple to plug in an fpga card if one wanted to use
decimation: I guess 'no nda' just means drivers specs
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decimation: one wonders about the touchscreen drivers too
decimation: basically to even *start* to do anything will require someone like that russian billionare giving a shit
decimation: yeah. if herr watson wishes to poke at modernity that would be a good start
decimation: but his few $mil is too piddly to accomplish anything
mats: well, when the rocket leaves the pad, id be happy to join you in this prying
decimation: asciilifeform: "US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!" << USG generally has no problem giving commands to 'technical people' in its Vader Voice
decimation: not only is open fpga useless for consumer market, it openly antagonizes it
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decimation: yeah, it really is only useful for 'actual people' who want to research interesting digital applications
decimation: is this dominance of xilinix, ms, etc really a case of the 'giant' sitting on the stool?
decimation: it seems to me that if there were any midgets, they are long gone
decimation: it's a neat trick to time-warp into the future and murder your competitors in the womb
decimation: yeah I've heard it referred to as the "ip cores" market
decimation: apparently the the prices they charge for these "ip cores" are highly negotiable depending on your account with them
decimation: yeah whenever I hear "ip cores" I immediately think of all the legal bullshit that they are pimping to support their 'business'
decimation: maybe some snowden working for xilinix will release the dox one day
decimation: they would probably just discontinue that line
decimation: that's something the russian billionare could help with
decimation: unfortunately there is not much 'spare' capacity
decimation: the only credible buyers I can imagine are non-us defense
decimation: as long as usg sits on the stool it will remain that way
decimation: no, the real driver is the expense of a chip fab
decimation: I mean if we could 'kickstart' such a design for a few $K
decimation: actually the design work is way more than the fabrication
decimation: including the warez for design toolchain?
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decimation: certainly most of their sales are to usg's layer 2
decimation: there aren't many fpgas in consumer chips in general
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decimation: ironically the us got its start pirating machine designs from england
decimation: that and talented machinists would leave to 'seed' enterprises in europe & elsewhere
undata: asciilifeform: how much money would you need to produce said computer and a suitable OS?
undata: a guy wanting to write some code and keep a secret or two
undata hands asciilifeform his busted laptop
undata: something that replaces this piece of trash
decimation: and it isn't 'movable type' in the sense that someone with a brain can arrange the internals to serve his needs
decimation: both of which are fantastic science fiction today
decimation: yeah it is easier to conceive of trained bacteria who arrange parts appropriately
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decimation: asciilifeform: reading about lysenko immediately conjures the 'stierlitz files' where all the nazis had a high-school education
decimation: usg also stole the "having stolen science"
decimation: mircea_popescu: I like your romanian poet/french revolution quote. It could almost be used as a motto for the west today
mircea_popescu: the irony of modernity is that there's no shortage of answers. in fact, they're written generally a century ago. just... nobody [knows how to] reads.
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decimation: asciilifeform: I wouldn't mind a 500 micrometer fab if it were possible at home
undata: I'm still interested to hear an estimate on the R&D cost of an 'actual' computer
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: you're in with the monetas crowd, right?
decimation: asciilifeform: what language would you use to model 'dataflow' processing?
decimation: I can see that. I imagine it would have ben something kinda like verilog with features that help you design asynchronous circuitry
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i wouldn't mind a car that runs on farts, if it were possible at home. << can you imagine hpow that'd go ? how it'd smell ? how uncomfortable the gas pipe'd get ?
decimation: if there is anything this channel emphasizes, it seems to me that it is the downside of what appears to be 'the good'
mircea_popescu: as in, the downside of "the good stuff that can be had for cheap" ?
decimation: no one else writes about the downside of compilers as a technology (to my knowledge)
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's kinda what it is and kinda where it started.
decimation: I rolled over a pretty big retirement account into a fiat dollar broker
decimation: they gave me a 'free subscription' to 'investment training' - with seminars (not free!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << i hate writing in bed.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you would need 'chorded handles' so you could lay your arms on the bed
mircea_popescu: undata that's pretty much google yeah. and also everyone else trying to copy them (fb etc)
decimation: what about mounting gizmo that extends from wall or whatever?
mircea_popescu: i think best walking. am not trying to get a walking computor tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform every single room in this country has hardware, wrought iron tv supporter. i've not seen a tv yet standed on any surface.
undata: mircea_popescu: I prefer standing desks; pacing and thinking go well together
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly. << incidentally, this is why the idle rich are so important irl.
decimation: usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich
mircea_popescu: all the bad things teh french revolution hated, like you know, lord X who owns property but "doesn't give anything back to society"
undata: things like son-of-son of oculus rift or magic leap might provide walk-and-compute of some sort, but will be hopelessly tied to derptech
undata: facebook and google respectively
undata: both of which could be seen as parasitic destroyers of anything that smells remotely innovative in the US economy
mircea_popescu: i honestly do not wish to write either walking or laying down.
undata: programming tends to piss me off; pacing is the release valve
undata: at a previous job we even had a sand-filled punching bag for that
undata: definitely, so they can file suit when the male programmers curse and throw things, which is only natural when you're up to your eyes in shit
undata: expressing anger having become socially unacceptable is one of the signs that the US is dead
undata is used to people thinking he's too angry, is probably even-keeled by rational standards
undata: mircea_popescu: naw I was raised by a proper cold-warrior; they exist
undata: two actually, if you count step-parents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes. <<< there's a lot of depth to this observation. for instance :
mircea_popescu: consider that china had helicopter designs cca 500ad, it had known of gunpowder for 3k years by the time we finally heard of it and they were writing alchemy treatises before homer was even walking the earth.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just like the ottomans ended up "the sick man of europe" through a particular choice of centralisation
decimation: it is hard to convince the giant that allowing space for the midgets would be good for him
mircea_popescu: (they put a group of men in exclusive charge of battlefield rifle use)
mircea_popescu: the only great fortune of europe in the industrial age was that they copied the dutch approach (as the tulip mania was coming to a close, dutch courts simply refused to intervene in any capacity and "Fuck you!")
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, had this been centrally planned, it'd have worked as well as that whore cixi's trains.
BingoBoingo: Perfect writing in bed implement exists already, pen + paper
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i write on a platform that doesn't run grep o.O
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible. << lol not so. again the chinese lead. they burned the books 2x.
decimation: apparently obamacare 'allows' employers to give you a 'discount' off your 'insurance' premiums if you enroll in their hitlerjunge programes
decimation: yeah I like this guy's blog, he edits the mainstream media
mircea_popescu: i knew the moment the japanese started with that weird, and the us libtard class started paying attention, i knew this was coming.
mircea_popescu: famously, ceausescu once visited kim in korea, came back with a cockfull of life and brand new ideas of how to perfect socialism.
decimation: yeah that's an interesting way to put it. asians would generally place the 'good of the company ' in front of their dignity
assbot: In which David Cote has decided you don’t care about how you’re living, and his opinion on that matters for some reason | RWCG ... (
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decimation: I think he is some kind of trader that works for a major firm
decimation: he had a whole thread about the london whale and associated retardation
mircea_popescu: sooo buenos aires has decided to set itself on fire because some local team won the local football cup.
mircea_popescu: this is about 3x the mess they made over world cup stuff.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << macbook air?
ben_vulpes: sounds like portland, mircea_popescu. irrelevant on the global scale but 'omg have you tried these donuts my brother makes?!'
decimation: so I find these AI doomsayers highly amusing. most of them would laugh at a Christian's claim of revelation (knowledge which comes neither through induction nor deduction) but are more than happy to jump on board the eliezer yudkowsky tard train because "I know it is true"
undata: decimation: the "singularity" is precisely technobabble heaven
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undata: seems like the AI doom scenario is just the inverted singularity
mircea_popescu: decimation the magical mental needs of the feeble minded don't go away simply because they are surrounded by / live in a society based on more advanced thoughts.
decimation: right, but in this case the 'feeble minded' are also the supposed captains of technology/science
mircea_popescu: you can dress 'em whichever way you want, but in the end a monkey merely trained to recognise the letters is not a scholar, and just so these "modern" men and women are in fact quite primitive.
undata: heaven/hell myths are found everywhere
undata: probably crudely useful to imagine "best" and "worst" possible circumstances when you don't have many concepts to rub together
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the traditional heaven (dude, it's like a really large field, we can camp and hike! and graze!)
undata: mircea_popescu: yeah, we'll need a better heaven! heaven 3.0
undata: with sex-robots and teleportation
decimation: the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. I imagine it is a place where one can ask God wtf he was thinking
undata wonders whether there aren't things resembling heaven, hell and the other very basic concepts rolling around in his subconscious
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2014 19:04:08; asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
undata: I don't know how scientific the Jungian stuff is
undata: but maybe certain behaviors (like imagining a 'heaven' state) are instinctive
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undata requests the changelog for the human mind
undata: danielpbarron: strictly speaking, that's not heaven
undata: that's the new earth or whatever
danielpbarron: it's described as "the bride, the Lamb’s wife" and "the great city, the holy Jerusalem"
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undata: danielpbarron: right, god's supposed to drop that new city on jerusalem
undata: hm, actually the description is more munged together than that
undata: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
undata: what does god have against the sea?
undata: anyhow that makes it sound like some kind of heaven on earth scenario
undata: gold walls and everything
danielpbarron: physical things exist in heaven; that is not an attribute limited to earthly things
undata: " Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
decimation: undata: but this is exactly the 'revelation' point I was making above
undata: I agree that they're both the same flavor of magical thinking.
decimation: My point is that everyone has magical thinking
undata: ah yeah, then agreed doubly
undata: takes vigilance to do otherwise
decimation: I'm not sure it is humanly possibly, but I only have myself to speak for
undata: however, it might be adaptive to have a touch of it; would I keep working towards escaping the gravity well if I wasn't certain I can accomplish it?
undata: though that might not be too magical; I'm not asserting that it *will* happen, merely deciding to press on towards it
undata: it's hard to draw that line
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undata: decimation: I've wondered whether our capacity for creativity is exactly what tends to rot the brain
cazalla: anyone with an xbox account able to find out for me if microsoft is using bitpay or coinbase for this accept bitcoin news?
undata: decimation: from a certain perspective, imagining things that do not exist and creating them is delusion-fueled activity
decimation: undata: I think there is a 'yearning for meaning' inside of each human, and that generally drives them to choose a god of some kind
decimation: often themselves - self-appointment to what is god and what isn't
undata: decimation: yeah, some kind of "truth" accumulator
undata: asciilifeform: that's probably my next one after this wreck
undata: I had a retina macbook, total rubbish
decimation: asciilifeform: and fearing the ai holocaust
cazalla: thestringpuller, so they're taking it direct?
undata: decimation: veering into woo-woo territory, but in meditation I've often gotten the sense that the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk of what I am
undata: that there are drives, goals, whole projects somewhere lower-level that I'm barely conscious of
thestringpuller: cazalla: lemme see. i'll try to order something after I finish this thing for work.
cazalla: thestringpuller, thanks, no xbox or microsoft account here
thestringpuller: hopefully I don't by xbox live or something in the process :P
decimation: undata: certainly if one accepts that God is external, one would have to consider what which comes from Him and that which does not.
cazalla: actually, misses has a hotmail, i'll go harass her
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undata: decimation: I consider "god" a barely scrutable term
undata: if things bigger than skulls are conscious, I wouldn't be qualified to comment on them
undata: asciilifeform: I'm more referring to things like, say you notice in the workplace that you have been for the last year in direct competition with another worker
undata: it seems the mind has plenty of processes running on autopilot which can be mindfully observed, but often aren't
undata: asciilifeform: this sounds like the thing dennett has said about "pandemonium"
undata: asciilifeform: you've never found yourself doing things you never consciously chose to do?
undata: surely there are canonical examples of that happening with the opposite sex
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, i was planning to do so but i checked out my missus account and there is no bitcoin option, maybe not for aus yet
cazalla: i'm not that familiar with it, does this let you buy credits or something thestringpuller ?
cazalla: seems that is for xbox credit whatever the fuck that is
undata: asciilifeform: pretty sure this is the experiment I'm thinking of 40hz.net/david_2011.pdf
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undata: asciilifeform: the idea is that people can be shown to have made a decision before they are capable of reporting that decision to anyone
undata: this mental conversation I have about "yes, pick up the cup and have a sip" happens substantially later than the action to do so is already in motion
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing. << The conversion of cocaine from productivity aide to party favor has probably been one of the msot damaging transitions of this last hundred years
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thestringpuller: Ryan X. Charles: "I discovered bitcoin on May 13, 2011 and never recovered. After developing a reputation as the bitcoin guy at the physics department, I eventually quit my physics PhD program and went full-time bitcoin. I worked for the best bitcoin company in the world, BitPay"
thestringpuller: he goes on to say: " If I had written bitcoin, it would have been in javascript."
undata: underabundance of shame these days
undata: where is the embarassment
thestringpuller: "I wish Bitcoin was written in JS, I'd be able to understand it a bit better."
undata: "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. Node.js is a powerful tool for specific applications and you no longer need to know 2 languages if you go the full JS stack." << I call this single-step reasoning. It's everywhere.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork. << but isn't this how ignorant mobs form? as much as I like a pitchfork mob....
undata: I'd accept that given some decent mechanism for outliers to escape that circumstance.
thestringpuller: well at least you can bribe the guards in a russian prison
undata: don't know... my mother was single raising me for part of my early childhood
undata: sounds like a person headed for serfdom under this scenario
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thestringpuller: well someone who is going to exclaim nonsense about JS being useful to "understand code" should be stuffed in the bowels of some buildings as a serf
thestringpuller: "you won't make it in china, you too dumb, we send you to american high school come back as adult, bye bye"
thestringpuller: American Schools are easier to pass through for children of stricter education systems.
thestringpuller: The ones that brand you a fuck-up if you don't pass "the entrance exam" of which you only have on opportunity to pass.
undata: this serfdom thing doesn't sound any better than what the man behind the curtain has produced in the garden-variety american derp
thestringpuller: Also American Derp is not hardworking, or truly values hardwork. The serf likely does (imo at least).
thestringpuller: They glorify antics from sitcoms such as "Workaholics" finding ways to be lazy but still get by.
undata: thestringpuller: it's the experience of starting with nothing and struggling ahead that makes an adult
undata: so, poverty, but not serfdom
thestringpuller: undata: but this isn't the only factor. unimpoverished children can still amount to hardworking individuals, just with different contexts.
thestringpuller: sure you don't sling crack to get lunch money, but you hustle in other scenarios
undata: thestringpuller: I'd think it wise to at least demo the poor life for them
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thestringpuller: brutal: "Witnesses of the camp state that the camp took the life of some 380,000 people in the 10 years of its existence. Most notable about the camp is the fact that uranium mining was conducted here manually without any protective gear whatsoever. The average miner's life span lasted only months here"
undata: thestringpuller: the pattern in my family (at least for the first male kid) has been to impress upon them the value and necessity of hard work, and then to drop them into the world to fend for themselves at the appropriate time
thestringpuller: some derps actively take away from the well being of others
thestringpuller: almost like dropping the IQ of their peers by merely existing
undata: I can't think of an instance in history where blunt instruments such as these were wielded effectively.
ben_vulpes: what is there to explain about turbulence?!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? << the early modern period had ample supply of this particular type. literally, idle.
ben_vulpes: at some scales and without some simplifying assumptions you just need a universe to model a universe!
ben_vulpes: what is so damn hard to grasp about this
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> You can't make this shit up. << word.
mircea_popescu: but at least the derp dept moved from "blockchain technology" to "bitcoin technology".
ben_vulpes: and what about that portland lawyer whose fingerprints appeared miraculously at the scene?!
mircea_popescu: undata> "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. << "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" being the reason.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's one hell of an assumption, that the task is doable.
undata protests at where that quote was clipped!
undata: a quote of a quote I swear
ben_vulpes: "build me a space elevator from materials available today."
ben_vulpes: those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" << this is good critera for sending derps off to asciilifeform derper's retirement camp.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all this geographic arrangement. a bitcoin island, a derp camp...
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks. << liek the ppl that want everything to be lisp ? :D
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the cancer must be excised and disposed. Although it may be in remission...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eh let it excise itself. why should i do the work for people i don't even like.
mircea_popescu: beating the women i love is more work than i feel like as it is.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba
mircea_popescu: this just took a turn for the weird - erryone discussing me in terms im unfamiliar with
ben_vulpes: bring in the social justice police, this society is out of hand
mircea_popescu: + i accidentally sent asciilifeform's line about 2nd code and pots to some chick i'm talking with on the side. she's new and was just probing as to what's in principle required of new chicks.
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fluffypony: sure, it's a cryptocurrency, not based on the Bitcoin source, no GUI at present
fluffypony: transactions are cryptographically untraceable and unlinkable
fluffypony: "mixing" is done on inputs for a tx only, based on denominations of ^10, and inputs are mixed with previously unspent inputs
fluffypony: via ring signatures (group signatures)
fluffypony: at the moment no minimum mixin level is enforced, so ostensibly an output in the utxoset can actually be spent at some point with a mixin of 0, and thus is *actually* spent
BingoBoingo: Eh, what's the differences. The interesting stuff? I'm fighting a generic winter illness and slowly realizing a bottle of cold medicine is supposed to contain multiple doses.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4460 @ 0.0012 = 5.352 BTC {2}
fluffypony: if you're interested in the cryptography of it
fluffypony: or the software architecture we're building out
fluffypony: he's one of my fellow core team members
fluffypony: so his interest is intrinsic and complete :)
fluffypony: that was before Risto had any interest in Monero
BingoBoingo: I just like the idea of castles, like mudkips
BingoBoingo: I mean castles are basically the motorola 68k of fortifications
fluffypony: well anyway, the cryptography interests me most of all, and there's some cool stuff we're doing
fluffypony: we have infinite tail emission, the block reward value of which hasn't been set as yet
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so from a purely business pov, why would i give this thing a 2nd thought ? what exactly can my 1 btc buy me and how ?
fluffypony: well the current price is 0.00109 to the BTC, and there are just over 5 mil coins at the moment
fluffypony: from a business PoV it's unlikely to be a good investment unless you're happy to hold it for several years
mircea_popescu: well no, so far i gather the contrary : i'm guaranteed to not see any mid or longm term return
mircea_popescu: it may make sense if i won't hold it overnight sorta thing
fluffypony: yup it's designed to be slightly inflationary not deflationary
fluffypony: so any growth comes from utility and not from a deflationary nature
mircea_popescu: but basically any growth won't come to me. so i won't build on it.
fluffypony: same reason people build on top of i2p or Tor
fluffypony: anyway breakfast for real noa, bbiab :)
BingoBoingo: If you are going to darknet what's wrong with old style turtle routing?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe It's the robitussin, but without a hard cap on supply how do we break the "new" world
mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it gotta somehow make business sense. and the problem is, if it doesn't make it for me it doesn't make it in general, because what exact particular assumptions got baked in ? nothing much. if there isn't a good answer to "so what's my btc buy me" other than handwave, there's probably no better answer to "what's your time buy you" other than, whatever, "playing a mmorpg".
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, i just spent a coupla hours derping in eulora myself. jus as long as it's not coming as a surprise later.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at crazy shit ranch : "I am a twenty-year old sub living with my dom in Sask in a 24/7 D/s relationship. For the past two years I have been training as a sub and saving money for school. In the summer I will be relocating to Toronto for college in the fall. My Sir will find a Dom for me there with the hopes of finding me someone to stay with while I study. In exchange I will serve him as his slave for
mircea_popescu: canadian govt srsly has to do some liquidity injections o.O
BingoBoingo: I think pete_dushenski is out lobbyist up there
adlai: mircea_popescu: do you seriously think that selling "a few coins" into an altcoin will buy you more than a handwave?
adlai: treating it as a whalerpg where you take turns playing bull and bear is another story
adlai: i'm just being scoffy at the prospect that an altcoin offers tangible benefits beyond, say, speculating on the coin's value without actually holding any
mircea_popescu: well, if your view is correct then all altcoins are essentialy the logo.
adlai: for a coin to offer more than just a speculation game, it needs to have some chance of outperforming btc
adlai: for example, this monero thing... let's say the tech is remarkably successful, and as this becomes evident, the value grows TENFOLD
adlai: so we now have a 10mil market cap
adlai: and the amazing tech gets copied by btc
adlai: and then the guys who bagheld xmr through the great bear market of 2014 all take a group dump on the people who bought non-scarce goods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34729 @ 0.00068972 = 23.9533 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: anybody trading on mpex want to try scalpl?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7292 @ 0.00070292 = 5.1257 BTC [+]
adlai is curious how it'd fare on s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35320 @ 0.00070426 = 24.8745 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: ok that's enough. next time i bring up scalpl not in response to somebody else, please !down me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4238 @ 0.00070793 = 3.0002 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: adlai that wasn't the most organised argument i ever read :p
adlai: which one, the one against long-term investments in altcoins?
adlai: it's hard to organize an argument against nobody. kinda like planning an invasion without a map.
mircea_popescu: i dun think "invesing in altcoin" generally was being contemplated.
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 07:19:05; mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
adlai: if i were to specifically attack that, i'd start from the assumption that a cogent and together person necessarily occupies their time in an activity which lends itself to monetary investment
adlai: plenty of cogent and together people dedicate their time to charity, but it's not a terribly rewarding investment
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: could the airgap concept of the cardano be applied to storage?
thestringpuller: i was thinking of the scenario of having to absolutely read an encrypted memo but only have a potentially compromised/malicious system available
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9964 @ 0.00072082 = 7.1823 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: If a system is compromised it's compromised
mircea_popescu: seems airgap means you're not touching some other system neh.
thestringpuller: or in the sense it is non-trivial to remove data from the device
thestringpuller: so lets say the system in use is not a secure viewer, but a device is available (some mobile thingy of some sort), that is a secure viewer, but is unable to do heavy lifting. just reads from drive and displays it. so the use case I imagine is someone is sent important "please read now" encrypted memo to some dude who is boarding a flight. he uses one of the surely compromised internet cafe computers and his hand caradno to decr
mircea_popescu: it'd decript somethinmg you got off a pastebin for you, but obviously it can't guarantee the computer you're on won't read your memo too
thestringpuller: exactly, so I was envisioning a device that can i/o securely from output of cardano
thestringpuller: same with data on this device that stores output from decryption
BingoBoingo: I think you two are talking about different devices
thestringpuller: well i guess I'm thinking of combining cardano with 2nd device
punkman: thestringpuller wants a screen on the cardano
undata: there are many simple text-output LCDs
undata: however anything like that becomes another point to siphon data off the thing if you derp using it
thestringpuller: that's another option have little magnets implanted in finger tips
punkman: you could make a tactile morse generator
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ? << good night's sleep and not busy today, shall make progress
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it. << sewage is good for tea?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18362 @ 0.00071765 = 13.1775 BTC [-]
punkman: not sure I'd want my tomatos fed on human shit
mircea_popescu: what do you think the earth is if not hardpacked, ancient sewage.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Fine baby the tomatoes, but what about the sweet corn
punkman: I mean humanure is fine, if you are in the wot
punkman: but I don't want NY sewage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6337 @ 0.00068143 = 4.3182 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.04, Best ask: 362.14, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 361.04, 24 hour volume: 14786.74135077, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 0
BingoBoingo: Is the robitussin bottle really not supposed to be a single serving?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1025 @ 0.00120505 = 1.2352 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18221 @ 0.00065957 = 12.018 BTC [-]
fluffypony: adlai: the problem is that the "amazing tech" can't easily be copied by BTC - although I'd agree fully on that being applicable to altcoins based off of the Bitcoin codebase. the problem isn't so much the code, it's that the stealth addresses + ring signatures are such a radical departure that Bitcoin would (obviously) have to hardfork to an address format that is completely different to their current one (since it requires 2x 256-bit
fluffypony: pubkeys) thus breaking compatibility with every existing application, and then enforce the standard for some time before the utxoset is sufficiently large to allow for a measurable level of privacy (see MRL-0001 on lab.monero.cc as to why this is true)
fluffypony: to get back to the previous convo, though - it isn't an "investment", nor has it been pitched as such
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i dun think his idea is directly applicable (stolen by btc), but nevertheless, someone with a better business value proposition can just fork your code.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's like saying someone with a better business value proposition can just fork BTC
fluffypony: the network effect of BTC works against that
fluffypony: maybe it's best to think of Monero as something like Freicoin - an experiment in creating something usable and useful
fluffypony: and if it fails it doesn't matter, we're not trying to build a business, we're advancing technology
mircea_popescu: so you are in the endsaying this is more of a hobby than serious.
adlai: fluffypony: blockstream is a for-profit company in order to steal your lunch
adlai: it's a metaphor :)
adlai: i don't mean it in that sense, i mean that their goal is to make innovations in other chains accessible to the bitcoin asset
adlai: and the "your" referred to all these projects, not just fluffypony
fluffypony: but that also means that the altcoin is indelibly linked to Bitcoin's value
fluffypony: the economic hinge makes sidechaining unpalatable for us
fluffypony: but I do applaud the effort if it'll make shit like Jackpotcoin irrelevant
mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00067111 = 12.2478 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this is a fact and it's not going away except in fiction.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I agree, but what I mean is that a sidechain can't have a direct USD market, for instance, it will always have to go via Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: perhaps. then again this may be a rather short term concern you see.
fluffypony: either outrightly or through blind ignorance
fluffypony: oh cute, Bryce Weenie blocked me on Twitter
fluffypony: he's the guy that keeps getting "interviewed" by Seaman
mircea_popescu: oh i recall the derp. i think i told him off back when i was on twitter.
fluffypony: yeah, he keeps promoting shitcoins like Nautiluscoin
fluffypony: which clearly didn't stabilise anything
mircea_popescu: well, neither did the various stabilisation funds irl lol.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is alright. The coinfire account on twitter blocked both myself and cazalla that one time we made a blog even though... Eventually we may want to hire their meat.
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me waits patiently for fluffypony to be done with playing and start srs bzns.
fluffypony: I've got stuff I'm building on the business side
BingoBoingo waits for the scorpions to shrink again, fuck you robitussin cold and flu
fluffypony: when I have something cool to show I will :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00064969 = 19.1659 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: now /me waits patiently for the home videos of fluffyfamily.
punkman: fluffypony: what happened to that prospectus
punkman: vaguely remember one when you first joined
fluffypony: had a bit of a false start on one of the projects, shitty resources, so that's just picked up again as of a few weeks ago
fluffypony: that particular one is a payment processor
fluffypony: rithm: when are you changing back to jcpham?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How can we know you aren't the blond wife? Other than if that was the OH SHIT HUGE SPIDER, case certain people would be much more attentive to your equine needs
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: because I'm in a bunch of videos under this nom de plume?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like I am going to totally fire up the AIDS computer to follow every lead
BingoBoingo watches the latest episode of Ramsey's Hell's Kitchen because better than Robitussin
BingoBoingo: Carrying those tits can't come with zero cost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00063865 = 7.3445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8486 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38072 @ 0.00063865 = 24.3147 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00067317 = 9.5254 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22674 @ 0.00067687 = 15.3474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1187 @ 0.00124299 = 1.4754 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1220 @ 0.0012 = 1.464 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.0006703 = 14.6461 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00067687 = 16.5833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00067831 = 7.5632 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00065548 = 2.5891 BTC [-]
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective. <<<< o.O
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so. <<< o.0
nubbins`: <+BingoBoingo> The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo! <<< i have a friend prohibited from imbibing for 4 years as part of the punishment for a drug offense
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Do you have the same romantic attachment to 7.65 that I do. It is bond caliber
nubbins`: i remain wholly emotionally unaffected by rationals
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: cold water is not in fact cold nor water but from our perspective, &c
BingoBoingo: I am in no fair way other than tripping balls right now. How do robitussin bottles not exist as single serving containgers
BingoBoingo: I mean I punched a spider the size of my head ad the mess was smaller than my knuckle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00065067 = 6.832 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo kind of regrets promising to tutor his cousin's kids in comp sci
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: They already stole a fucking car
BingoBoingo: I don't have any. Have you not read the sad saga of Normal man???
BingoBoingo: A followup is happening... once I start punching spider sized spiders in the garage during gicarettes and not cornish game hen sized spiders
BingoBoingo: mats: How much do you know about CYP 450???
BingoBoingo: I don't get much choice in the matter thanks to my good friend CYP2d6*39*???
BingoBoingo: I may need to sand my desk again after this Ill spell thanks to Mr. Fairbairn and Mr. Sykes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00063801 = 10.2401 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00064571 = 1.2914 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065309 = 7.6085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 13315 @ 0.0012 = 15.978 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00063709 = 8.4096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21699 @ 0.00064564 = 14.0097 BTC [+]
Naphex: mats: reading that quote just gave me eye cancer
Naphex: my brain still hurts :))
Naphex: fluffypony: i mean, for real Node & co is like Compatiblity HELL
Naphex: - please god don't make me recompile node
fluffypony: my favourite is Ubuntu changing the binary name
fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs"
Naphex: not to talk about all the hellish packages in npm
Naphex: that are mixed with outdated c++ module
Naphex: and insane spachetty javascript
nubbins`: sharepoint renamed a bunch of shit between major revisions, but literally just swapped the names around and kept the api calls, function definitions, class names, etc the same
nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
☟︎ nubbins`: imagine "using" a platform like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00063709 = 1.2742 BTC [-]
mats: i don't think he's kidding based on his comment history
mats: 'A better way to do physics research is to build a lot of wealth outside of academia, and then fund myself as a scientist. That way I have complete freedom and I'm not facing the crazy competition for government funding. If I can pull it off, that's exactly what I'll do.'
mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
☟︎ Naphex: thats where the plan is at
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00064564 = 3.4219 BTC [+]
Naphex: you need to read between the lines ^^
nubbins`: hey, he did say "a lot of wealth"
danielpbarron: have you read the logs? you're name has come up quite a few times
ryanxcharles: i saw people talked about my love of javascript
ryanxcharles: i don't have time to respond at the moment but i'll come back later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00064564 = 11.4924 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ryanxcharles: congrats on having your PR merged :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063726 = 14.9119 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00064564 = 6.3918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17111 @ 0.00065048 = 11.1304 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00063635 = 10.4361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00063574 = 13.9863 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00063699 = 26.1166 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15656 @ 0.0006332 = 9.9134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1082 @ 0.0012 = 1.2984 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.14 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15730 @ 0.00063894 = 10.0505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34920 @ 0.00064732 = 22.6044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24806 @ 0.00065658 = 16.2871 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18431 @ 0.00063234 = 11.6547 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00063074 = 25.955 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78688 @ 0.00062352 = 49.0635 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2030 @ 0.0012 = 2.436 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3956 @ 0.0012 = 4.7472 BTC
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, what part contradicts your tender youthful mind ? :D
nubbins`: what is mathematics if not perspective?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55565 @ 0.00064007 = 35.5655 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p << no but it was relevant in context.
nubbins`: well ya know. context is not relevant but from your perspective.
mircea_popescu: the dispute (in typical redditesque retardom) was whether 7 is "less likely" or "more likely" to stad for a nsa-diddled ecdsa curve than 5976928769872976597967965769845 or w/e
nubbins`: if we do a fast phone number transform on that second one
mircea_popescu: dude check out the poor entropy in kbd mashing. who knew!
nubbins`: it's going to be a much more number
nubbins`: the other one won't even get you a dialtone
mircea_popescu: mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.' << :D
mircea_popescu: "my cock is the right tool for everything! it can fuck things up, mess them up, screw up and everything else i normally do!"
mats: hey man, he's a cryptocurrency engineer
mircea_popescu: right, because so much crypto work is being done in the least apt language for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: i know whenever i have a large numbers problem i tend to fire up basic too!
mats: poor guy is gonna start here with a buncha criticism
mircea_popescu: burns the sould of the unworthy with the fire of a thousand hells + 1 matchstick.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs" <<< bwahahaha you guise, stahp.
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 14:39:08; nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
thestringpuller: i like how mircea_popescu is more cheerful during the holidays
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller trust me, it's like wanting your own tiger.
nubbins`: spoken like a man who never read life of pi ;p
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller exactly my point. it sounds like a pro until the 250kg beast licks you.
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 15:04:03; mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
mircea_popescu: you can coax time on expensive machinery for very little money. what costs is the bezzle support, you know ? most of grant money goes back to university to "pay for" grad students etc.
mircea_popescu: in most times and places you actually do, in my experience.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how it goes in the us, but eu folks are more thna happy to oblige, and also because humans are generally lazy most machinery mostly sits idle
thestringpuller: a lot of grad students don't use scholarships, but enrollment programs in exchange for being slaves to businesses
☟︎ mircea_popescu: best racket ever, if princeton sold shares in itself it'd obliterate the apple.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00064851 = 10.2465 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: that and students who like to have mental breakdowns, they have shrinks to talk you out of your alcoholism
thestringpuller: maybe "babysit"? essentially treating the children as children, much babysitting
fluffypony: I don't disagree with their decision to call it "nodejs", I think the nodejs developers are the issue - htf do they call the binary "node" when clearly that's a word that may occur on the command-line, being common in computin' circles
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mircea_popescu: anyway, my heart goes out to the poor souls stuck working knee deep in this crud because of their idiotic employer.
mircea_popescu: no wonder they're so dissociated they claim to love it.
thestringpuller: php is the only server side web tech i've found that integrates with gpg
thestringpuller: except maybe python running inside a tornado container (like coinbr)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: was there a S.NSA statement for November 2014?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, asciilifeform was late and then got sick so i gave him the benefit of the "once per year, report delayed for a month"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't throw out your draft letters! will have to append to them!
mircea_popescu: Namworld can you send me a ss or something ? i wanna make an article of it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: at least you are managing demand, reminds me of Tesla having a 15000 car wait list, while producing ~5000 cars a year. Won't have to worry about new customers off the blocks.
mats: i find myself agreeing with john brennan.
assbot: [MPEX:D.CBSE] 1D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (2 shares, 0.24 BTC), 7D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (12 shares, 1.43 BTC), 30D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (36 shares, 4.30 BTC)
mats: o wait, talking head is just a former station chief
adlai: none of the derps have been consummated yet, right?
adlai: contract finished, delisted, paid out if appropriate, etc
thestringpuller: mpex investors are valuing d.cbse market cap at 116k btc which is like 40mn bezzles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00064886 = 20.2769 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you accounting for their recent dillution ?
fluffypony: I don't understand the point of their email
kakobrekla: as far as i know merica has invaded somalia and now we have freedam of spick here so he can fuck off
mircea_popescu: i guess the issue is, their page is now 404 and they don't want you linkign to a 404 page
mircea_popescu: fuck them for having 404 pages in the first place, they should fix both their website and the broken process which resulted in this being a problem in the first place.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Should Coinbase make dilutive issuances after July 8, 2014, D.CBSE will be diluted proportionally."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yes from the contract, but what would invoke this clause?
mike_c: kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller didnt they recently get moar investment ?
mike_c: they haven't raised since a year ago. rumor mill says they are out raising again now.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well it means more shares which means more mkt cap right ?
kakobrekla: lol mike_c all you got is they should be slovenians and thats that?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see where the 1/10 comes from then ?
kakobrekla: you know we are actually in europe, not india
mike_c: you're next to madagascar or something, right? (kidding..)
ansc: hi. i am just a simple redditard. regular reader and fan of trilema though.
mike_c: what I heard was that there were a bunch of reliable firms in eastern europe, with ukraine and slovenia being mentioned explicitly. and ukraine seems risky choice these days.
ansc: i am here to ask a small favour
mike_c: I thought you might know some people in your irl wot from the area.
ansc: mp you once wrote 'thee is only one thing that matters today: bitcoin' or something similar
ansc: which is, as everything you write, a very true if somewhat hyperbolic assessment of the present state of the union.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i have no idea how their stats look, so this is as good as anything.
Namworld: There's an infinite number of stats and types of reports and what not.
ansc: could you pls elaborate a little on that thought?
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 09:10:20; mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the subiacent point there, perhaps unapparent, is that every human construct fundamentally relies on truth to be recognisable as such.
mircea_popescu: things that are completely independent are by that very fact also completely hermetic. like the ravings of the insane.
mircea_popescu: now, bitcoin happens to have a priviledged relationship with truth
mircea_popescu: and for this reason, it will necessarily enjoy a priviledged relationship with all things of import.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, fiction in those parts where it's hermetic, and otherwise insanity.
ansc: that is all fine and such. anything that human beings not destined for freedom could relate to? (referring to one of your latest blog posts)
mircea_popescu: reference's lost on me lol, but hm. what do you mean relate ?
ansc: frankly, my fellow subhumans would not remotely be able to indulge in your previously published comments.
mircea_popescu: like, say, the price of oil bends your future irrespective of who you are. do you call this relating to oil ?
mircea_popescu: whether you know or not how exactly, gravity still works.
ansc: mp you recently wrote about the two kinds of ppl: freedom attaining and not. on trilema.
ansc: struck me as a fundamental truthy
ansc: looked but didn't find. it was your thought anyway LOL
ansc: explains a lot about our 'democracy' and such
ansc: struck me as a genius insight
rithm: mircea_popescu such genius, super genius actually
rithm: that's gotta be mensa >9000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00064584 = 8.4192 BTC [-] {2}
ansc: well flattering here and there.. that's not the point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23264 @ 0.00062572 = 14.5568 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC
rithm: fluffypony talk dirty black holes to me
ansc: in our current system, one man one vote, how can we ever escape communism, other than by a collapse of the currency?
fluffypony: rithm: a black labrador wipes it's bum on a dirty patch of grass
rithm: i'd agree communism is a social construct and a matter or perception, sure
ansc: i am so scared bc i don't see a peaceful exit from the current communist idiotic system
kakobrekla: >The Pirate Bay goes offline after police raid server room
mircea_popescu: the peaceful exists are the monopoly of they willing to travel.
mircea_popescu: i kinda enjoyed their taunting letters up until 2010 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: great mine canary that. you knew that once that ended, there shall be war.
ansc: ok but travel where to? how is argentina in that respect e.g.?
mircea_popescu: argentina is amusing. it has a very socialist-populist government that is very inept, and a large population hell bent on ignoring it
mircea_popescu: and everything that to you might pass for business sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00063823 = 18.5087 BTC [+]
ansc: but it shows that the common man is willing to ebdure idiocy on a vast timescale that exceeds our patience by orders of magnitude
rithm: i like boobies tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get an idea of this crazy : every time you go into a shop of any kind, you have a 50-50 chance for the sales person to try to provide what you're asking for OR to try and convince you not to buy anything.
ansc: well if idiocy prevails, there is no hope for mankind. does the common man not shape history?
mircea_popescu: because they can't be arsed to stand up, get off the phone, think about it...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00062252 = 4.4199 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 907 @ 0.0012 = 1.0884 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @ 0.00062252 = 5.3138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92900 @ 0.00061581 = 57.2087 BTC [-] {2}
TomServo: sans trilema.com, or pm -fetch
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 04:47:20; PeterL: now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop
adlai: holy fuck. bitfinex are not just derpier than imagined, they're derpier than it is possible to imagine
adlai: their API fails to verify messages 240 characters and longer
adlai: maybe i need to throw their endpoint servers through a plate glass window
kakobrekla: are you trying to hook up scalpl to that ?
adlai: scalpl already talks to bitfinex, but i hadn't tried placing hidden orders before
adlai: but "\"is_hidden\":true," pushes the length of SOME messages over 240 characters
adlai: so some orders got placed. some didn't. teeth were gnashed.
adlai thinks back to when he first connected scalpl to bitfinex, and found that "signature = HMAC-SHA384(payload, api-secret) as hexadecimal" apparently also means to zero pad it to 96 bytes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00063885 = 10.0619 BTC [+] {2}
ryanxcharles: hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points
☟︎ ryanxcharles: this is why javascript is the best programming language for any task
kakobrekla: asciilifeform someone is writing graffiti on ba walls
mircea_popescu: not here. and who the fuck came up with that url scheme i wish to know.
BingoBoingo: <ryanxcharles> hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points << Am I still tripping?
mats: we are all tripping
mats: guy doesn't read assbot PMs apparently
adlai: is it software or are we dancer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22242 @ 0.00061519 = 13.6831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00060267 = 20.1292 BTC [-] {3}
mats: nice. doesn't take a fed to own me anymore.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00061498 = 20.4481 BTC [+] {2}
mats: 'Each United States diplomatic facility that [is in] ... the Russian Federation, or any country that is a former member of the Soviet Union shall be constructed to include a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.'
mats: i'm wondering why this is even in the bill.
mats: these are things that should be done already.
mats: 'SEC. 306. INCLUSION OF PREDOMINANTLY BLACK INSTITUTIONS IN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER TRAINING PROGRAM'
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 21:57:45; mircea_popescu: "mr devektorovskyi, what are we to do then ?"
mats: 'the President should establish and maintain an intelligence and law enforcement cooperation scorecard with metrics designed to measure the number of instances that intelligence and law enforcement agencies in the United States require assistance from intelligence and law enforcement agencies in Ukraine'
mats: write summaries for us, we can't be bothered to read all these danged reports you know!