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mircea_popescu: and unsurprisingly, the one that got 0est of prb effort.
BingoBoingo: In other news TRB leads the way! "Alert" system in PRB being retired via... ALERTS!!! https://archive.is/5OoKT
mircea_popescu: which is why doorko coin imports prb.
asciilifeform: lulzily, they import all of (yes) prb...
asciilifeform: https://stashnode.com << in other lulz, 'why build a trb node, buy a prb box from stranger today!'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/WNi9A << meanwhile, in the prb cellars, the umpteenth 'soft' phork
mircea_popescu: use 3address ? you will lose your bitcoin. use prb ? you will lose your bitcoin. pick your poison, if it's theirs it's marked.
asciilifeform: i could work out the details from prb src, but am loathe to
mircea_popescu: at least in all prb i know of
asciilifeform: does it thereby follow that prb and trb have differing notions of how much coin is contained in A ?
asciilifeform: say i use prb to send C coin to addr A, via some strange method that results in ben_vulpes 'unable to decode'
shinohai: likely one of the prb turds not supported
asciilifeform kept waiting for some mention of gavin and only half a minute or so in finally realized that it is not about prb nodes
asciilifeform: phf: approx as interesting in practice as prb
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 01:11 mircea_popescu: holy shit apparently this guy's cca 2014 windoze prb stores blockchain in 128mb files, 100+ of them by that point ?
asciilifeform: but, regardless, countdown 3, 2, 1.... to 'roughtime' in prb, ssl, etc.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the native logging of prb are fascinatingly bad.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540898 << mircea_popescu never used, afaik, the verstring patch, his heathen traffic is small , as prb ignores his nodes. which is one possible reason behind his sometimes isolation on the path to miners. not all - but many - paths lead through prb heathendom. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#30 << just a friendly reminder that prb dun work is all.
mircea_popescu: holy shit apparently this guy's cca 2014 windoze prb stores blockchain in 128mb files, 100+ of them by that point ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's not it. just ... look, all this "work" that the prb derps think they're doing. it has no future. it isn't getting imported into bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: and the cavallier "oh, we'll just introduce subdivisions" nonsense pushed by the prb folk utterly fails to consider the implications
asciilifeform: prb is not bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: gotta make it more like prb wallet!
mircea_popescu: that they make segwit ; that we make deedbot (the two are not even vaguely dissimilar, by the way, except prb doesn't know how to code cleanly), is really nobody's problem.
mircea_popescu: well, prb anyway.
asciilifeform: https://laanwj.github.io/2016/05/06/hostility-scams-and-moving-forward.html << lulz, from mouth of current prb chair.
asciilifeform: lizards nailed gold, and 'eternally refight the last war', just about all prb-isms are elements of 'here's where we can apply conservation-law-violation crowbar when we finally get hold of one'
mircea_popescu: basically prb is trying to act as a sort of bitcoin mining code repository ; some of the miners contribute some of the less critical code and well... github.
asciilifeform: meanwhile prb 'almost ready' for phork, https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/08/23/release-0.13.0
asciilifeform: (if not, how would cloudfart shutting down affect prb relays ?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now that i think about it, i dun recall prb having ssl eater in it
shinohai: You can't even build prb without setting a swap space. Or at least I haven't been successful yet.
asciilifeform: and he writes back that he uses prb,
thestringpuller: mtgox halted withdrawals until core implemented the high-S thing in PRB.
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0#0722 << still quite the same in prb 10 !! ☟︎
thestringpuller: i thought the high-S thing was due to PRB nodes fellating low-S transactions until they became high-S ones.
asciilifeform: anything other than unconditional capitulation to trb, == prb.
thestringpuller: i imagine though best case scenario, power rangers takes mod6's patches and merges it into prb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, thorough walk of my nodes' traffic suggested 95%+ prb (until i put in malleus)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> there are other, similar ambiguities - sigs end in whatever odd number, say << Original effort at sig enforcement was "even-s" around prb 0.9 deliberations before "low-s" was chosen
mircea_popescu: but this said, yes it is deeply irresponsible for anyone to use prb clients. this doesn't just mean 13, or 12, or 10. ANY of them.
asciilifeform: i can't wait for prb to formally break protocol.
mircea_popescu: but absent that, the prb solution (where p stands for a poor man) is well...
mircea_popescu: in general, all prb soft forks will be unwound, at such a time as judged most inconvenient to non-tmsr participants.
asciilifeform: but he printed andreas because 1,000,001 chumps were ready to buy, not because prb necessarily.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's go into a lengthy sidepoint. can you define "specification" for my benefit ? strangely enough the prb tards think some things about what a specification is that diverge.
mircea_popescu: the stock historical bitcoin client, prb, without any modification, will act like a malicious node.
mircea_popescu: anyway. lulz at the entire "we'll talk about things in the vague and be all pretentious and shit" junior high ugly girl club thing. i'm so impressed i almost think the whole prb/mit/blabla crowd of shitheads is worth pissing on.
mircea_popescu: trinque i recall me losing my top over this back in 2013ish or w/e the first time bitcoin-idiocy got in the way of bitbet, being told "oh wait, this is an actual problem - we don't resolve problems, we write code here at prb!"
mircea_popescu: this entire "look what prb does" is so much cosmo kramer from kramerica industries fixing the fire dept. what was that episode
asciilifeform: that is, that miners do not prb and are not affected by prbism.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432588 -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-07-2015#1185942 and further: core devs made the change in 'prb', miners ate it without thinking twice for the benefits visible on the surface. secondly, block reward is too high for / tx fees too low to expect any heavy optimizations for maximizing fees beyond most simplistic or default ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. that someone chose to make a particular exception from ordinary prb rules in order to ding bbet.
PeterL: the fact that 0-fee txn eventually got mined shows that mp is not completely isolated from miners by prb?
PeterL: aha, so the high-S thing only proves the miners don't like it, you would need to find something the miners allow but prb does not
PeterL: I guess he could specifically design a transaction which is not passed by prb, and see if it gets into blocks, which I think the high-S thing was an example?
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a failure of my puny brain, but i am at a loss as to what assurance mircea_popescu could possibly have had, and from whom, that there is not a prb vermin between mpb-net and the miner.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bbet event suggested that there was at least one layer of prb between mircea_popescu and the miners.
asciilifeform: or, almost worthy of the prb folks,
pete_dushenski: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600980/a-bitcoin-style-currency-for-central-banks/ << prb-fork contender
asciilifeform: and leads to prb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i did not scream, we'd prolly be struggling with some 'golang' prb horror now.
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 12:56:07; asciilifeform: shinohai: possibly he thought this also, and ate some ? and during it, suggested prb ...?
mircea_popescu: 2) a vc-hardfork, run by whatever's left of prb
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428491 << guy does have it. "bitcoin" as seen by the prb/social media crowd is 99% solutions looking for a problem by weight. ☝︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: possibly he thought this also, and ate some ? and during it, suggested prb ...? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:49:38; mircea_popescu: so far, nsa-gavin, prb and [prolly] the miner cartel are all preparing something or the other.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428468 << again, anyone who wants to follow a usg fork, can do it without me. and who wants to use a prb fork of whatever variety or rationale, can do it without me. ditto halfcocked crud conceived to enrich chinese scum. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so far, nsa-gavin, prb and [prolly] the miner cartel are all preparing something or the other. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin" in the sense of a collection of (whitepaper by satoshi, 2-3 shitty mutually exclusive prototypes by satoshi, even shittier code in prb) is much like "russia" in the sense of "the kiev kingdom".
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/138 << prb lulz
dooglus: most people don't use prb - most transactions don't have a non-zero locktime - but lots do
asciilifeform: so prb tx-baking behaviour would not influence matters
asciilifeform: dooglus: mircea_popescu does not use prb.
dooglus: then remembered prb's 0.12 release writes the current block height into the locktime of transactions it creates
asciilifeform: dooglus: when trb disagrees with prb, prb is ipso facto wrong.
asciilifeform: [02:07:54] [mircea_popescu] ALL these ~happened~ to somehow drop out of mempools ? << from the document << later we learn that prb DROPS what it deems 'doublespend' SOLELY based on chronology.
trinque: could also be the malleus patch if that version of prb issues heathen commands
mod6: <+shinohai> prb v0.12.0 crashes my computer every time I start it up :/ (QT version anyway) << i lel'd.
shinohai: prb v0.12.0 crashes my computer every time I start it up :/ (QT version anyway)
mod6: Why is july a thing? This doesn't make sense. If prb wants to fork a centralized mining protocol, that doesn't make it any less dead.
mircea_popescu: that was not yet called either prb or core or anything, because before we came and crackd the nut, inanities avbout how "only one bitcoin software" still had currency amongthe ruminant herd.
mircea_popescu: well, not like it HAS to close. it can also continue doing what it did for the ~first half year of its existence, which is to say critique whatever prb
asciilifeform: i thought 'classic' was just normal prb but with 2mb constant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what does this mean ? << that he's using prb and never looked inside for sheer horror
mircea_popescu: sturles yes, and THAT IS A BUG IN PRB.
asciilifeform: incidentally, wtf does prb think it's doing re: tx fee ordering, when it ACCEPTS MOTHERFUCKING ORPHANS !??!!!
mircea_popescu: also miserably implemented, but then again it is prb.
kakobrekla: most nodes are idiots that run prb as built by core team
PeterL: I guess you cold test whether you are directly connected to miners or bridged by prb nodes: send a txn which prb does not like, see if it gets included in a block
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not even. prb is more or less the random noise.
kakobrekla: prb is what relayed your txes to the miner gates.
mircea_popescu: punkman the notion that prb is relevant to this discussion is shocking/ridiculous, depending on your mood.
kakobrekla: same goes for prb.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and guess what - trb gets blackholed now and again. prb never mattered.
kakobrekla: there isnt one. trb behaves differently than prb if nothing else.
kakobrekla: its possible you are connected to a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes
asciilifeform: but it always seemed to me like many of the prb idiocies really ~were~ in keeping with satoshi's idiocy.
mircea_popescu: kinda what i've been saying. it makes little sense to call say, original bitcoin as per satoshi release prb.