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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why imho you oughta have made the 'bad' addr list a few GB.
asciilifeform: not a few hundred bytes.
mircea_popescu: hm ? which ?
asciilifeform: the list of verboten eth addrs
asciilifeform: or hm iirc there was some timelock thing
mircea_popescu: but then the problem'd have been obvious ?
asciilifeform: which
mircea_popescu: the above discussed
asciilifeform: not really problem if each node only has to verify tx against list of length 1
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't have discoverd it exists week-and-a-half after "having a solution" and buolding consensus etc
mircea_popescu: mmm. if only.
asciilifeform: what am i missing
mircea_popescu: tx can be pretty cpu intensive.
asciilifeform: yeah but how much more cpu intensive can ONE verboten-addr make it
mircea_popescu: hugely so.
mircea_popescu: all you need is one
mircea_popescu sings
asciilifeform: isn't it a constant-time op ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you fully appreciate just how braindamaged this "laughing gas of the future" actually is.
asciilifeform: in bitcoin, it would be: if (addr == eviladdr) return fuckyou
asciilifeform: approximately.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/68bd5d9a-3dac-49f6-9c36-d2a98a459a65/?raw=true << moar miscellaneous lulz
asciilifeform: ^ yes it's ~that~ dingleberry
mircea_popescu: " Things are probably going to get worse before they get better." << ahahahaha.
asciilifeform: 'It's tempting to wonder if there's some cointelpro-style attack going on. Realistically, we likely do have the attention of governments who are well-funded to attack us. But first, this really doesn't look like a cointelpro op. The complaints come from people both inside and outside the Tor community, and I know some of them. And second, in this case it really doesn't matter. It's no excuse for not taking responsibility for our acti
asciilifeform: ons. Tor, and our broader freedom movement, are about communities, and about how we want to interact with each other. Let's handle this situation as an example of how we want to do it right.'
mircea_popescu: "we won't bury the corpse until nsa provides a new trough"
asciilifeform: ^ gold
mircea_popescu: fucking derps.
mircea_popescu: usg agent wondering if the actual people fighting the usg are a "cointelpro style" "attack" ?
mircea_popescu: fuck these idiots with hot pokers already omfg.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger is this one of those guys you're friends with, then ?
asciilifeform: insurgency theatre.
asciilifeform: btw ~every american outfit bigger than a hot dog stand has an in-house 'shari'.
asciilifeform: (politruk)
mircea_popescu: i know, they constantly try to wander in here also.
asciilifeform bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: anyway, this paste is a point-by-point example of sinful, evil behaviour.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing dingledine can ever do that can redeem him, because the manner in which he thinks is beyond salvation.
mircea_popescu: he must be killed, publicly, and the carcass left to rot where it fell.
phf: ikea sells chairs and chair covers for those chairs. can buy covers in uk, etc. but not in u.s. fancy that
BingoBoingo: Milestones in pipe wrench ownership #2: When loosening a slip fitting the pipe decides to tear instead
BingoBoingo: #1 was boring, involved successfully removing burst frost free sillcock
mod6: where did June go?
mod6: sheesh
BingoBoingo: June isn't over until it is over
mod6: well. lol, it's almost over.
mod6: time for me to work on the SoBA already!
mircea_popescu: where did all teh junes go... loong time passing...
mod6: indeed
mircea_popescu: phf it's probably the "fire retardant" retardation
BingoBoingo: Prolly US flame retardant vs EU carcinogen regulations
mod6: trinqueis there a way to update this URL so it doesn't contain spaces? i.e.: http://wiki.deedbot.org/The%20Real%20Bitcoin
mod6: or shinohai ^ ?
mircea_popescu: yeah use underscores or something
mod6: damnit. the spacebar on this thing is getting toast.
mod6: trinque ^ up a few lines :]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491739 << same dingledine as officially represents nsa in tor ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 00:31 mircea_popescu: there is nothing dingledine can ever do that can redeem him, because the manner in which he thinks is beyond salvation.
asciilifeform: $s dingledine
a111: 7 results for "dingledine", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dingledine
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (though almost any imaginable mistake would result in MORE-phuctorable mods, vs less) << yeah this seems odd.
asciilifeform: doesn't it.
mod6: mircea_popescu: btw, did you want me to change tb0t to use '!' instead of '%'?
trinque: http://www.nsf.gov/cise/cns/watch/images/dingledine.jpg << he looks catholic
trinque: like the child-fucking kind
asciilifeform: l0l!
mod6: he has a van that says 'free candy'
asciilifeform: mod6: this is not even wholly improbable. recall the selection criteria for dingledinity
asciilifeform: (e.g., brock pierce)
mod6: ya
trinque: mod6: wiki is the code that runs cliki.net
trinque: it uses the page title verbatim in the URL
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs. << you can come live in my basement if you're tired of paying rent. i've even got a garden. :]
trinque: sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis)
asciilifeform: mod6: i need 4 walls.
asciilifeform: whole box.
trinque: they're really a response to "tards can't into html"
trinque: but we must include them
mod6: its got 4 walls!
trinque: cancerous fagtech
mod6: you think i live in a teepee?
asciilifeform: i mean 4 walls not shared with anybody.
mod6: ahh lol fair enough.
mod6: offer stands if you ever get sick of the the 202
asciilifeform: lolk
mod6: <+trinque> it uses the page title verbatim in the URL << ok i think I can just have shinohai change the page title then, thx!
mod6: <+trinque> sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis) << I don't love wikis either, but we need a place for quick docs.
mod6: so it works for the time being.
asciilifeform: mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit
asciilifeform: trinque, mod6, et al: wikis work when folks actually bother editing..
trinque: I don't see how it's better than html shat in a folder somewhere
asciilifeform: how to edit ? folks get shell on the box ?
trinque: if they are in my wot, sure
asciilifeform: neato
phf: i have that cockli box by the way. i'm probably going to spin up an instance on it, but if anybody wants to attempt that task, feel free to take over
phf: (trb instance)
mircea_popescu: mod6 leave it for now, i'll bitch when
mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit << saw that. figured, "hey, i've got a crypt he can live in if he wants..."
mircea_popescu: there's a serious problem with digital handling of text, as we have it atm.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok just holler.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta what the first article on my blog was about.
mod6: phf: cockli?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was where i started - text. and from that ended up in 'computing is braindamaged beyond repair'
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's vaguely inhuman, this. the scholar in me is constantly opressed by various shits. 1. "oh we don;t alphabet - pdf" 2. "oh you can't reference text snippet" 3. "oh we forget, what was this ? linkrot ?" and i think there's more
mircea_popescu: none of this is acceptable, intellectually.
mircea_popescu: incidentally why the fuck is the web not native latex.
mircea_popescu: seriously, this is allowed, "graphics" that aren't svg and text that's not tex ?!
asciilifeform: latex doesn't survive ill-forming any better than html.
mircea_popescu: hardly an argument
phf: mod6: there was a hosting provider guy behind the domain cock.li, was interviewed by mp, was selling a vps box access
asciilifeform: likewise i have a TB+ of scans here. these can exist as bitmap and naught else.
mod6: phf: ah oh yeah.
asciilifeform: (fancy bitmap, with wavelet compression, but certainly not vector graphic)
mircea_popescu: scans as bitmaps are ~in the situation of wine as stum.
asciilifeform: as what?
mircea_popescu: stum. the sweet juice of grapes.
asciilifeform: ain't nobody gonna ocr TB of ru diagrammed b00kz.
asciilifeform: (ocr, contrary to what you've been misinformed, doesn't actually work)
mircea_popescu: that's another thing, must have MUCH BETTER ocr.
mircea_popescu: google has the patience to fuck with go, hasn't the patience to fix ocr ?
mircea_popescu: ocr is really a good fit for the markov chains as ai they do
asciilifeform: incidentally djvu compressor is 'too good' and makes ocr quite a bit more difficult - it sometimes INTRODUCES typos
asciilifeform: by transforming 'similar' letter into another.
mircea_popescu: tsk
asciilifeform: this is annoying but the 100x mass saving pays off.
mircea_popescu: i had an issue with an ocr that was TOO informed, kept creating single glyph fl and other wonders.
asciilifeform: (thing is per se almost like ocr in terms of sheer bowel-loosening turd-shedding)
asciilifeform: yes! quite like this.
asciilifeform: anyway ocr for mathematics is ~hopeless.
mircea_popescu: more hopeless than ai for go ?
mircea_popescu: i do not think so.
asciilifeform: even for FICTION it is 99.99% accurate which is to say SHIT
asciilifeform: (a turd on every 8th page on avg.)
mircea_popescu: there's really no reason a 100% accuracy over 1mb text ocr can't be had today.
mircea_popescu: self-trained, goes back and fixes typos.
asciilifeform: problem is that 'fix' is not always mechanically evident, even.
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
asciilifeform: think about the kind of persistend turd that one gets with ocr
asciilifeform: e.g., 'modern'-->'modem'
asciilifeform: proggy has nfi that shakespeare didn't mention modems.
mircea_popescu: o, really, it doesn't ?
mircea_popescu: think again.
asciilifeform: if yours does, it is because you tweaked it
mircea_popescu: if proggy has no fucking idea modems don't go with macbeth a) it's not trained and b) everyone involved is fired.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform self-trained.
asciilifeform: self how
mircea_popescu: "hm, i wonder how come these guys keep speaking about modems in non-modem context".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform self-trained like the markov nonsense works.
asciilifeform: it works except when it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: makes ten trillion parameters, sets them all to 0, then sets more and more to values
mircea_popescu: it works except where people don't bother.
asciilifeform: realize that when you have more than a little meat sweat mixed in, you are no longer discussing a computer program
asciilifeform: but a machine-assisted meat slave.
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: and stop with the romanticisms already.
asciilifeform: no srsly nobody's gonna proofread a TB of ocr.
asciilifeform: there is elementarily not enough qualified meat alive.
mircea_popescu: trained statistical model for ocr, either markov or whatever.
mircea_popescu: same principle as in machine translation, search engines, etc.
asciilifeform: none of which work especially well
mircea_popescu: they work a lot the fuck better than dumb ocr present currently.
asciilifeform: my contention is not that it is physically impossible to improve on extant ocr
asciilifeform: but that no one will improve on it to the point where i can throw out the original TB and be ~certain~ of no irrevocable loss.
asciilifeform: without proofreading.
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, how interested are you in the unholy art of probabilistic models ? it occurs to me that making a proper ocr would be a most respectable task, but not really for everyone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you read it once.
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates to library text than being read once.
asciilifeform: doing this correctly is ~same amount of work as manually ocring.
mircea_popescu: no, it isn't.
asciilifeform: i can apparently tell that mircea_popescu has never tried it
mircea_popescu: when you have to correct on average 1 error per book, which is where i expect this can be taken, it's just a breeze.
mircea_popescu: tried what ?
asciilifeform: correcting several MB of ocr text against original.
mircea_popescu: what's this to do with your defense of dumb ocr ?
asciilifeform: l0l defense
asciilifeform: simply that any improvement i expect to see will not be qualitative.
mircea_popescu: there doesn't exist currently any ocr package that uses a proper statistical model, and is self-trained on the text, and on all text.
asciilifeform: (would love to be proven wrong)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1 error per 500 pages or less. how's that.
asciilifeform: .. all text ??
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so long as it isn't in an equation, ever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. "all text it's ever seen"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform equations, chemical formulas, everything you can note down.
mircea_popescu: i was stuck publishing a pdf in my latest article because fuck me there's no sane ocr ;/
asciilifeform: how do you intent to apply a statistical model to an element which NEVER recurrs ??
asciilifeform: *intend
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all elements recur ; all elements are made of parts which recur.
asciilifeform: parts yes
mircea_popescu: properly made model can learn rules of chemistry from reading chemistry books,
mircea_popescu: will correct your formulas.
asciilifeform: now we have lenat's 'cyc' failed ai.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what competent (not great. competent, patient, insistent) programmers + 20nm process means. that we can have this in a box.
asciilifeform: 'learn rules of chemistry' l0l
asciilifeform: wake me up when.
mircea_popescu: that we don't have this in a box is simply because nobody wants to do any work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sedol lost.
asciilifeform: and lenat didn't is because he lacked sufficient jolt cola ? or why
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: granted this is why i even wanted computer
asciilifeform: but it is waste of time to attempt it prior to having one
asciilifeform: (we don't, of yet.)
mircea_popescu: anyway - this is a correct wiki. a proper notation engine backed by a self-training, probabilistic model of language.
asciilifeform: incidentally it is interesting to recall that at one point ai game player folks were interested in heuristic generators and the like - mechanisms that were ~applicable across domains~
asciilifeform: but none of these worked worth a tinker's damn and not a single chesstron written by actual chess players ever won a serious tourney
asciilifeform: instead what we got was ~extremely~ specialized slightly-refined brute force.
mircea_popescu: this is what's contemplated here exactly.
phf: i believe that was described in the "Sussman attains enlightenment"
mircea_popescu: use the fact that the machine as is, runnign whatever crap it runs, can still do millions of cycles a second, and can store billions and trillions of bytes.
asciilifeform: 'here's a REALLY BIG HAMMER. now go whack that mountain until a city comes out'
mircea_popescu: ftr, i wouldn't take cyc for anything other than a fine guide of what not to do.
phf: i like the idea of using hidden markov models on ocr-ed text
asciilifeform: imho cyc is what the schmuck blew rest of his life on after 'eurisko' was confiscated for national seeek00000rity
mircea_popescu: phf there's two (or perhaps three) aspects here. one is, that it should first pass through the entire item (book or w/e), to adjust itself, and then go once more through it, on the basis of that, and then again. similar to how "page rank" works, once the result is stable it thinks it's done.
asciilifeform: it was his 'blackphone'.
mircea_popescu: the other is, that it should keep context of "this text" ; separately context of "everything i ever saw in this language" and yet separately "everything i ever saw".
mircea_popescu: now 2 and 3 are iffy, for instance english-chemistry vs english-genre-fiction and english-trilema may be a more practical split than english vs french.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so. it's palpably an elephant cemetery. won't do anything ever, because it's done by an ocd clean person.
mircea_popescu: if you've noticed, all valuable engineering comes out of filth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's it to test a b00k containing a SINGLE instance of the canonical 'my sister, do you still recall как Ельцин бился мордой в пол ?'
mircea_popescu: phf and the third is that it absolutely should not make any concession to the finite nature of the universe. three billion trillion parameters ? OK!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform english-russian
asciilifeform: i'll sleep a bit while mircea_popescu sets the trillion parameters
asciilifeform: wakemeupplox
mircea_popescu: that's what electronics ARE FOR.
mircea_popescu: anyway. some sort of pcfg.
asciilifeform: now we know that mircea_popescu doesn't need warez - his hdd has a knob that turns whole thing into an adder, and he simply cycles through the states until he gets a disk with the desired 1333333337 w4r3z on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's easier for me, i wrote it all anyway!
asciilifeform: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/create.htm << obligatory.
mircea_popescu: sedol lost.
mircea_popescu: sedol lost to a machine that doesn't even know what beans are.
asciilifeform: taking for a moment the assumption that sedol ~actually~ lost --
asciilifeform: he lost in a game where evaluation function fits in a few lines of c.
mircea_popescu: nobody can look at a go set and give you a position value. nobody.
mircea_popescu: even chess is dubious. go - forget it.
asciilifeform: um
asciilifeform bangs head on desk
asciilifeform: yes there is ~no position function when there are 3 stones on the board.
asciilifeform: when 100 - most certainly is.
asciilifeform: bridging the gap is where the monte carlo thing came in.
mircea_popescu: the machine played dead reckoning not some sort of absolute evaluation of the eternal positions
asciilifeform: aha. but reckoning dun work without a position function.
mircea_popescu: deltas, not absolute values.
asciilifeform: in any adult game - same
mircea_popescu: "Dead reckoning dun work without gps". see, this is why cyc fails. this mindset.
asciilifeform: dead reckoning dun work without some notion of where you are going !
asciilifeform: or what 'motion' is.
mircea_popescu: this is a tenuous view, historically.
mircea_popescu: "some notion" carries no water ; definitely early navigation was bereft of either understanding motion or destination.
asciilifeform: and it - largely - didn't work.
asciilifeform: the 'great navigators' navigated by everett's device.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it largely did work, out of thousands of tries a few successes. machine has space for many thousands.
asciilifeform: (we don't remember the names of the dead in the water folk)
mircea_popescu: (#$implies (#$and (#$isa ?OBJ ?SUBSET) (#$genls ?SUBSET ?SUPERSET)) (#$isa ?OBJ ?SUPERSET)) << wouldja look at this inept shit.
asciilifeform: you still need a mechanizable notion of 'succeed'
mircea_popescu: seriously, they're going to put the rules in by hand arbitrarily and expect the machine to do something with that ?
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what were you looking at ?
mircea_popescu: you do not. and more improtantly : you need no human anything in there. you wanna succeed in your own terms, go, succeed.
mircea_popescu: machine does its own thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cycstupidity.
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: vs eurisko, which actually came up with fresh heuristics.
asciilifeform: and needed ~no hand-holding.
mircea_popescu: distinctly reminescent of 9yo me writing "utility programs" consisting of pre-selected arbitrary aditions and their results.
mircea_popescu: apparently only some people outgrow being 9, and lenat isn't one of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how does this happen to people!
asciilifeform: (who wants to read ? we had whole thread, where i FOIA'd everything lenat ever publicly did on taxpayer dollars, and posted here)
mircea_popescu: i recall this.
asciilifeform: some pretty interesting material in there, actually.
asciilifeform: esp. re 'self-checking' mechanisms.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-26#845518 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-09-26 01:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try: http://loper-os.org/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz.torrent
asciilifeform: it was then mirrored by kako and for all i know is still up.
mircea_popescu: yeah, agreed, unlike cyc bs, that is a credible starting point
asciilifeform: prolly needs new home.
asciilifeform: doubly so given how yudkowsky campaigns to have anyone trying this, killed
midnightmagic: not still up :(
mircea_popescu: all the weird shit you care about...
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: one min
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: What? Killed?
midnightmagic: Oh, you mean he goes a little batty.
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz
asciilifeform: ^ enjoy
midnightmagic: Much obliged.
mircea_popescu: lol the greatness of machinery.
asciilifeform: 43d0f9aeb9e0d1d7a4a89754feb3cfbd487768c16fa3ef986512e91f25fb96f6e1b500e813d8655239e9970cc0b72e32dea6ad95617a8f3ef3ac1761f1be012c
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Again, thanks. Too few people care about that.. :(
asciilifeform: some of the material appeared elsewhere, but not - afaik - the juicy bits re 'rll'
asciilifeform: the actual implementation language and mechanism
asciilifeform: see MANIFEST.TXT.
mircea_popescu: phf anyway, it's a very reasonable way to waste one's life. it can live on a server(s), connect via chatbot, solicit payment which'll work once trinque gets it added to deedbot... it's an actual biznis.
asciilifeform: why lenat dropped eurisko and burned the rest of his life on idiocy is the $64k question
asciilifeform: in which possibly lie the answers to 1,001 riddles elsewhere.
asciilifeform: (one - not very sexy answer - is that it was a fraud. source was published nowhere, nor anyone other than lenat exposed to it afaik)
asciilifeform: another - nsa confiscation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-01#473009 << prev thread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-02-01 21:28 asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts that lenat did not write eurisko.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-26#845694 << yet moar ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-09-26 03:11 asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story
mircea_popescu: maybe
mircea_popescu: then again it's rather common for people to do something smart early and then be shockingly stolidly dumb for the rest of their lives.
asciilifeform: not like this.
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: he had the next step ready-made.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. keys - interesting. i don't think i was mitm'd, 13 machines and all, not that it's not possible or anything, and the machines were on the same provider, so, lol, of course possible in principle. but specific mitm's which give working unique keys? hm. but, interesting, i don't have an answer here.
Framedragger: i'm prolly mostly afk / travelling this week but would be interested to discuss.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491732 << which nickname was that? :) nvm i guess ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 00:28 mircea_popescu: Framedragger is this one of those guys you're friends with, then ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: maybe i did fuck up in some very unique way. don't know. oh and the ip addresses are in random order, so there's that
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491238 << i too expected gadgets with shitty rng. any source for that 0.1% figure? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 17:15 asciilifeform: the historic ~0.1% popping rate of ssh keys has nothing to do with flips, and everything to do with embedded gadgets with no rng
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but have you considered that there are fewer implementations for ssh (and the better part of the ssh servers in the wild run openssh), and more implementations for all kinds of broken pgp? so it may simply be less likely to spot a badly generated ssh key.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but cross-checking makes sense, say if you do ssh-keyscan for a small randomized sample, nothing bad can come out of it. let me know if you want scriptz
thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #trilema 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mod6> phf: ah oh yeah.
thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground?
jurov: lol i was then prolly mitm'd too.. aside from ~10 cases of obvious corruption (openssh won't even read them) i did not find any key with factor in 10000primes.txt
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ^
jurov: Framedragger, imo we should mix few interesting failures into the data. otherwise we risk getting kicked out from tmsr :D
Framedragger: and maybe make sure some of those ip addresses are in /24's which also house chinese bitcoin miners ;)
jurov: or NSA
Framedragger: or labour union websites but that may just cause a stroke and best to avoid stress induced fatalities
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491796 <<< If this is actual need phf I would have no problem at all maintaining. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 03:47 phf: i have that cockli box by the way. i'm probably going to spin up an instance on it, but if anybody wants to attempt that task, feel free to take over
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492019 <<< bwahahaha A Riger Verified pool that will cause bigger blocks to be mined since he can't get anyone to do it xD ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 11:31 thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground?
thestringpuller: if it's possible to mine and validate against TRB...
mats: because mining has -ev outcomes for virtually all participants without some kinda competitive advantage
thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
mats: so you've moved the goalpost from 'our pool' to 'bribe miners'
shinohai: We got a Roger Ver in the making here!
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/45c39efb-967b-4c3b-9c6a-b9d2dff8afeb/?raw=true (re the tor thing)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: anyway, i think its premature to assume we need to influence miners one way or the other
mats: as i understand it, the heterogeneity of clients in the wild naturally prefers the status quo
mircea_popescu: so apparently reddit has selected for this large-ish population of chicks that want to post selfies "anonymously". because they're THAt desperate for male attention and THAT incapable of handling male presence.
mircea_popescu: nuts, teh "technology" an' its effects on the herd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no patience to read, but by now, "at MIT" is damning.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes dingledine & other sleepers (reilly, whatever) push for chasteen and whoever the fuck else to "be hired", because that's how their job goes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492008 << it seems rather improbable. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 10:01 Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. keys - interesting. i don't think i was mitm'd, 13 machines and all, not that it's not possible or anything, and the machines were on the same provider, so, lol, of course possible in principle. but specific mitm's which give working unique keys? hm. but, interesting, i don't have an answer here.
thestringpuller: mats: nah. if it's truly believed miners are well enough gripped by the balls, it's not a big deal.
thestringpuller: shinohai: Them is fighting words...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492015 << i wonder if this is true, even. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 10:05 Framedragger: asciilifeform: but have you considered that there are fewer implementations for ssh (and the better part of the ssh servers in the wild run openssh), and more implementations for all kinds of broken pgp? so it may simply be less likely to spot a badly generated ssh key.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492022 << bwahahaha ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 11:47 jurov: Framedragger, imo we should mix few interesting failures into the data. otherwise we risk getting kicked out from tmsr :D
mircea_popescu: comrades, your production of failures per hectare is insufficient! comrade kosygin is displeased!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd be curious to see where all the rng-less home routers etc. went
mircea_popescu: possibly same garbage dump cisco went
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/06/firing-elites_28.html
asciilifeform: ' If they don’t want to see their country overrun by illegal migrants (note that having had you country destroyed by NATO does not qualify you for political asylum) then they are called racist and bigoted. If they fail to grasp some of the finer points of EU’s bureaucratic governance (because, frankly, who would want to waste time on all that nonsense?) then they are called ignorant and misguided. And, most importantly, if there
asciilifeform: is a financial crash (which was inevitable in any case; see “Ponzi scheme” above) then that is blamed on their bad choices at the polls.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, i just tried to ssh to a few known home routers. no answer. try it yourself.
mircea_popescu: i suppose isps filter incoming for the domestic space (not out of any safety concern, just, to not sell a useful service, which is anathema in usian style economy)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most units of recent vintage have the port closed
mircea_popescu: so then your q has pretty good answers.
Framedragger: i would like to scan the whole /0 0:65535 range some time though, i'm sure there'd be quite a few ssh servers lurking behind strange ports, and quite a lot of them could be old embedded gadgets. just speculation tho
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492032 << let's also bribe the cockroaches in the kitchen to 'vote' to leave ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:14 thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i personally doubt it.
Framedragger: http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/ suggests there's more of fridge on the internet than there should be
Framedragger: but yeh dunno about ssh
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if you call punching someone in the dick when they get out of control a bribe...sure
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what specifically did you have in mind ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492041 << linked mainly for the last line: 'settled out of court' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no patience to read, but by now, "at MIT" is damning.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what i'm more and more discovering is that the legends about the internet and the facts about the network (not just the internet, network in general) are very much at odds. consider a few examples : L1 : "many eyes means better code" ; R1 : "many eyes means bikeshed effect" | L2 : "Bitcoin has many nodes" ; R2 "yeah, like less than 50." | L3 : "there's many weak consumer grade boxes out there" ; R3 : "maybe in 19
mircea_popescu: 96." | L4 : "there's no rsa collisions in the wild" ; R4 : "if you don't count the 300 or so phuctor found" and on and on and on it goes in this vein. at this point i do not expect any "common sense" held truth about any network to be any closer to reality than what miss america thinks on the subject.
asciilifeform: eh we're still waiting for ~proper~ rsa collision
mircea_popescu: what is and what is not ; what can or can not be done ; how things should be done etc experimentally benefits little from importing reasonable_expectations.h
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll still be waiting for "proper" anything and everything. heck, we're still waiting for proper asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: well ? sad but tru!
asciilifeform: R2 "yeah, like less than 50." << it bothers me that i actually have NO IDEA how many
asciilifeform: (there is ~no mechanical way to count)
mircea_popescu: best thing you can have about a large UNSPECIFIED construct is a guess.
asciilifeform: for all i know, mine are the only working ones presently
asciilifeform: (this would be sad)
mircea_popescu: after the shocking revelations earlier this year, that really many things which seemed actually hosted properly (ie, own box etc) and on this basis assumed independent were really THE SAME ONE ITEM, i think even the 50 figure is generous.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains it's trivial to run gluster/galera on 5000 boxes and have what appears 5000 independent nodes that neverthelss have all the solidity of a puppet install.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492029 << because nobody actually did it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 12:49 a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 11:31 thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground?
asciilifeform: incidentally!
asciilifeform: anybody consider experiment where clusters of nodez with similar latency / uptime patterns are illuminated ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: care to share output ?
mircea_popescu: mno.
asciilifeform: but not hard to guess what it looked like.
mircea_popescu: it didn't look terribly good. for bitcoin.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: but, factually, there COULD be other reasons behind it. such as you know, hosts offer centos 7 prestamped on dedicated boxes, and so therefore, everyone runs centos 7
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing.
asciilifeform: that wouldn't create chorus of 'all these 5,000 nominally distinct nodes down for 20 minutes'
mircea_popescu: anyway. the existential, fundamental, first and foremost threat to bitcoin is emerging to be, the essentially centralizing nature of the modern human. slave's born to live in empire, so if there's a lot of slaves, there'll be an empire. once nero died it wasn't a case of "ah fucking finally, now we can go back to republic". no, it was "WE MUST HAS EMPEROR! EVEN GALBA!"
mircea_popescu: so : they have the option to be varied in hardware. not only they don't take it : they AMPLY eschew it.
asciilifeform: the other interesting spice in the mix is that some unknown number of nodez are 'dark'
mircea_popescu: they have the option to spurn bullshit. they don't, they seek bullshit.
asciilifeform: i.e. plugged in solely to each other via ssh tunnels etc
mircea_popescu: see something as "benign" as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492039 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:39 mircea_popescu: so apparently reddit has selected for this large-ish population of chicks that want to post selfies "anonymously". because they're THAt desperate for male attention and THAT incapable of handling male presence.
asciilifeform: with some unknown number on periphery being public 'leaf' nodes.
mircea_popescu: oh, "the state attacks the family" no dude. the state moves in a vacuum you made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that anyone PRESENTLY has the real option to 'be varied in hardware'
asciilifeform: but this could be same as your example above
asciilifeform: they HAD the option
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this exists, obv. as much as a backup chain store is "dark node" after all.
asciilifeform: 'when DEC Alpha existed, did you motherfuckers buy?? no?? have fun'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, idiots are idiots, and if their favourite idiocy is denied in bitcoin, they reddit desperately until they find a doge/ripple/ether replacement.
mircea_popescu: in short : salvation can not come from the mass of people. the mass of people is here for one thing only, and that is to supply holocaust fuel.
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492039 << interestingly. most millennial girls find guys creepy. cuz honestly, what sane female would be attracted to a redditor? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:39 mircea_popescu: so apparently reddit has selected for this large-ish population of chicks that want to post selfies "anonymously". because they're THAt desperate for male attention and THAT incapable of handling male presence.
mircea_popescu: ie, "they want consensus".
thestringpuller: everytime I hang out wiht my female friends and ask them about guys, its usually how creepy they are.
thestringpuller: it's a plague
trinque: they're saying weak
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller has little to do with redditor per se, they find everything creepy for the reason and in the way pig finds everything too tall.
mircea_popescu: trinque no, they're saying "i got all the food i could possibly need and this clicker thing. wut ?"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as dan mocsny pointed out, 'creepy' is a word which largely means 'unattractive but not yet castrated'
trinque: his female friends must suck then.
mircea_popescu: you should see the local herps. "i like staying home and netflix".
thestringpuller: exactly. but unattractive in the way of "get the fuck away from me I wouldn't fuck you if you were the last man on earth"
mircea_popescu: and the shit they netflix isn't even fit for in-flight entertainment, admittedly a low bar.
mircea_popescu: trinque no, because sucking is gross.
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: the temptation to vegetate is great. absent a driver, plants will plant.
asciilifeform: ^ i utterly fail to grasp
thestringpuller: trinque: no. most of my female friends prefer "actual guys" you know the ones who don't live at home in their mom's basement jerking off to girls on reddit all day.
asciilifeform: where is this temptation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and it's not even fucking inborn, it's TRAINED! whip "lazy" girl that got to 20 and never achieved anything, she becomes in a year or two as self-driven and capable as you'd like it.
mircea_popescu: take any girl, stick her in the "modern democracy" box, she becomes fat.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492031 << there is this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 13:39 mats: because mining has -ev outcomes for virtually all participants without some kinda competitive advantage
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492032 << the problem with this approach is that bribing is for losers. i for instance never bribed anyone, THEY BRIBED ME! because what the fuck is this, i'm going to pay derpy mayor/judge/whatever ? how about he buys his wife from me each year for the love of fuck! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:14 thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492038 << an iffy point best left undisturbed. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:21 mats: as i understand it, the heterogeneity of clients in the wild naturally prefers the status quo
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yea, i'm sure they do, until "real guys" say "bitch, get in there and make sandwiches" at which point "real guys are too hard and redditards are too soft and i'ma spend five hours on the phone with my "friend" ie exactly equivalent part."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, thorough walk of my nodes' traffic suggested 95%+ prb (until i put in malleus)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget today's American girl happiy makes a sandwich, but can't hold itself together enough to make it to the next room with out eating the sandwich (repeat x5 times)
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the joke with the alchie. you know it ?
Framedragger: tell it already
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile back at the party house, A : http://67.media.tumblr.com/d73cd8b9c93c23df097d4183fe3463a7/tumblr_mu0mciNBEN1qg7xwvo2_400.gif B : http://66.media.tumblr.com/a7ba4153b4f7dd56c8c6272f7074819b/tumblr_mu0mciNBEN1qg7xwvo3_400.gif )
mircea_popescu: lol ok ok! so alchie takes a bad fall while drunk, gets huge bruise on forehead.
mircea_popescu: doc says "eh, it'll be ok, rub some alcohol on it".
mircea_popescu: three days later alchie calls doc office in a passion. "doc, wtf do i do, i can't lift alcohol above my mouth."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: depends on if said guy has "bitch dependency" syndrome or not.
mircea_popescu: howssat ?
thestringpuller: A disease that leaves a person addicted and dependent to a bitch. If that bitch decides to leave him/her, that person becomes an emotional train wreck and does nothing but lay around and mope. In worst cases, that said person would think he/she is in an R&B music video- something worse than self-mutilation.
thestringpuller: The only cure for Chronic Bitch Dependency is learning how to control the bitch and make her behave- hit the bitch if she doesn't do what you say until you achieved desired results.
mircea_popescu: oh. but wait, this is good, because victim ticket.
mircea_popescu: sit around, write bad poetry while torturing a guitar, do a lot of pot, be all you know, "sad" an' whatnot.
thestringpuller: Meanwhile Usher runs off with your wife.
mircea_popescu: what, there's no bullying so nobody's gonna fuck your shit up for being a loser and admitting it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller even better!
mircea_popescu: now not only you don't have to put up with her, but it's POOR YOU!!11
asciilifeform: usher, as in 'the house of ' ??!
mircea_popescu: no, as in the 11 or 95 yo that lets people in cinema hall
asciilifeform: no, no, http://www.eapoe.org/works/tales/usherf.htm << him
BingoBoingo: Usher's a sort of Tyrone who sings
thestringpuller: ^- yea.
mircea_popescu: ahahahah check it out, black community came full circle! from usher to usher! one century of revolutionary progress.
mircea_popescu: (where revolutionary means what it in fact means - what the earth does around the sun is a revolution)
thestringpuller: one day Bieber will run off with your wife, but then again I guess that's the point you were making with shitty American girls.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out, the top hit is about how he wore a don't trump america jacket.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure this'll lose trump some votes in the 12% black + 4% lgbtdskfhkejrhdfg community, and gain him some in the 78% white and pissed group.
mircea_popescu: good deal!
asciilifeform: +111% cuck voatez
BingoBoingo: For serious
mircea_popescu: crisis of representativity, this is it. when people are so confused about what they stand for and whom they stand before, they end up achieving counter-intentional results.
mircea_popescu: and, in classical theory, crisis of representativity is always resolved through open warfare.
mircea_popescu: from the two kids in schoolyard ("ce ma, te crezi smecher ???") to the empire falling apart or uk/argentina going to war notwithstanding the disaster it is for both, crisis of representativity -> conflict.
mircea_popescu: and obviously enough, jewish groups trying to boycott german goods in the 1930s us is tghe exact equivalent of obscure rapper dude saying things about trump to an audience of obscure wanna-be rapper, wanna-be gay, wanna-be mit etc dudes.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492068 << No specifics just a solution to push "The Prequisite" through. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what specifically did you have in mind ?
thestringpuller: i imagine though best case scenario, power rangers takes mod6's patches and merges it into prb
asciilifeform: ugh wat
shinohai: (-__-)
thestringpuller: worst case* yay for doing 5mn things at once
thestringpuller: :P
asciilifeform: anything other than unconditional capitulation to trb, == prb.
thestringpuller: yes. hence NOT DESIRABLE
thestringpuller: mining pool, not desirable. etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: what're you on about thestringpuller ?
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422535 << this thread. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-05 15:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose IF the july many-fork time comes and trb has nothing to offer then it might as well close.
mircea_popescu: alright, what about it ?
thestringpuller: I don't see a good scenario where TRB could deploy a fork i.e. "the prequisite".
mircea_popescu: you're confusing things. everyone but us deploys a fork.
mircea_popescu: o noes, guyse, why is eth dropping ? i thought they fixed it!
thestringpuller: so who deploys "the prequisite"?
mircea_popescu: $up drizztdourden
deedbot: drizztdourden voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller anyone who feels like it.
thestringpuller: aha.
mircea_popescu: these two are not specifically related, they're separate items.
mircea_popescu: item A is a discussion of what at the time was a possible outcome, something of the kind of "if we don't fortify these walls and enemy army comes over, we're fucked". this has been muchly degraded meanwhile, principally by "well, every march lord on their path has harried the fuck out of them, and so not much of an army left".
mircea_popescu: item B is a discussion of peace, ie, what's the absolute minimal required basis for an agreement.
mircea_popescu: necessarily, in order for such an agreement to be had, "everyone" must deploy "the prerequisite".
mircea_popescu: make sense ?
thestringpuller: Aha. "peace" is the part I didn't understand. "the prequisite" is a treaty, not a war proclamation.
mircea_popescu: "there can be no fork unless it includes this".
deedbot: [Qntra] How The Tor Project Pays And Pays CIA Agents From Their USG.Navy Coffers - http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, random derp on twitter, "Can anyone point me to a summary of solidity exploits and common patterns to avoid them?". really bitch, you want the COMMON solution ? common fucking MADE the exploits! holy shit.
shinohai: This was covered in trilema article, no?
thestringpuller: aha. then mats comment makes more sense. ty.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i would have thought so.
asciilifeform: 'common patterns to avoid them' << gold
asciilifeform: ^ the mental process of homo phpicus exposed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Common is also a black man who sings, but he acts more. Far less Tyrone than Usher though.
mircea_popescu: "David Chasteen hired a law firm and that members of the list should have no contact with David Chasteen or discussions about him." << what the fuck is this crap ?
mircea_popescu: dude, i'll discuss whoever i please. ESPECIALLY some usg tool that meanwhile took posturing lessosn.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Employment law FTW
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fuck that.
mircea_popescu: my right to mock the shit out of idiots is fundamental and can not be abridged.
BingoBoingo: Well tese aren't quality outlaws
mircea_popescu: no, they just wanted to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i gave at the common office, mr exploit, pls don't fuck me."
mircea_popescu: see ? slave empire IS BUILT BY SLAVES.
asciilifeform: not by martians, no.
mircea_popescu: the only error there is to imagine "against their will". no dude, literally, it is built by the slaves.
mircea_popescu: they, out of their own idiocy, FORCE otherwise employable folk to be their massah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometime btw, someone should undertake the job of finding the number of the exploit. you know, do with the maths or system theory or something, like that lisp thing.
asciilifeform: l0lwut
mircea_popescu: then everyone can have the number of the exploit embroidered on their underwear and there'll be no more exploits.
asciilifeform: right after i calculate the number of their pubic lice.
mircea_popescu: (btw, best if it comes out small. say up to three digits. two best.)
asciilifeform: $s how many bugs
a111: 5 results for "how many bugs", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=how%20many%20bugs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a nononon, this isn't a count. this is THE NUMBER OF! you know how they say "i got their number" ? like that!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-29#650474 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-29 22:56 asciilifeform: dijkstra once read a lecture, and exclaimed 'how many bugs shall we tolerate?!' one wag stands up - '3!'
mircea_popescu: it's not that there's 666 devils. it's that 666 is THE NUMBER OF!
asciilifeform: The Number Of
mircea_popescu: now you know it, nothing bad can happen from there.
asciilifeform: (of... those who Just Wanted ?)
asciilifeform has a book on his shelf, titled THE OF
asciilifeform: (faded print, i fuhget what it was originally)
mircea_popescu: it's the number of! say if we knew 97 is the number of solidity exploits, then solidity would finally be solid.
asciilifeform: i'ma consult 'the of'.
mircea_popescu: plox ty.
mircea_popescu: also not too much math squigglies they make sally's head hurt.
asciilifeform: it tells me 'a if an'
mircea_popescu: and break state of the art pdf converters
asciilifeform: aha!11
mircea_popescu: lol wait, putin now wants russia to become "blockchain leader" ??? https://www.znak.com/2016-06-27/o_samom_glavnom_seychas_biznes_ombudsmen_pri_prezidente_putine_lider_partii_rosta_boris_titov << is this a thing ?
asciilifeform: wat
mircea_popescu: i can't even.
asciilifeform: i see nothing about blockchains etc
mircea_popescu: mmmm
asciilifeform: it's a lengthy mega-snore, re politico who wants to implement equivalent of american fdic, reduce tax, etc.
asciilifeform: ok THERE it is
mircea_popescu: yeh.
asciilifeform: 'Например, мы будем поддерживать идею, что Россия должна стать лидером в мире в области блокчейна. Значение его не меньше по важности, чем создание интернета. Если мы сегодня привлечем к себе все основные технологии и инвесторов в области б
asciilifeform: локчейна (саморегулируемая система транзакций, функционирующая без центральных банков — прим. ред.) и криптовалют, у нас есть все и географические, и людские ресурсы выйти в передовые страны мира не только в этой области, но и в целом.'
asciilifeform: snoar.
mircea_popescu: seems altogether just a "ms office shanonizer" job, they got stuff from the internets and copy-pasted it into a "government official blabla"
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: which is how 99% of tyhat crud is made ?
asciilifeform: snoromatic.
mircea_popescu: myeah k.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if anyone's following the lulzdrama : ethereum people realise their "fix" ie softfork will in fact be defeated, want hard fork nao.
mircea_popescu: "consensus is building" :D
mircea_popescu: "all of humanity is counting on us to deliver" (~nobody on reddit)
asciilifeform: where does this lulzdrama even live ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the original fuckups, ie, slock.it, is a "company" of the web sort that runs some shitty proprietary irc. so there's that. then there's reddit, twitter, livejournal, facebook
mircea_popescu: etc etc. where bugs live, these bugs live.
asciilifeform: livejournal?!
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4q9ewf/ethereums_dao_wars_soft_fork_is_a_potential_dos/d4r8060 << sauce for given quote
asciilifeform: http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/06/28/ethereum-soft-fork-dos-vector << parent link, explains what mircea_popescu was suggesting last night ?
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: well, what they understood of it at any rate. i take no responsibility for the shitheads.
asciilifeform: couldn't they walk a script for the verboten addr ~before~ running it ? or does the shitlang allow dynamic generation of addrs and you ~must~ run
mircea_popescu: lol
phf: oh look russia is doing nanotechnology^Wblockchain
mircea_popescu: what are you, from the future ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492262 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 15:59 mircea_popescu: seems altogether just a "ms office shanonizer" job, they got stuff from the internets and copy-pasted it into a "government official blabla"
asciilifeform: nanoblockchology!11111
shinohai: http://futurism.com/protein-uncovered-that-stops-arteries-from-clogging/ <<< Hail the U of Missouri BingoBoingo !!!
mircea_popescu: THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT!
mircea_popescu: mit, whatever. so they go around, copy/paste code from expert sex change, and that's it.
mircea_popescu: phf word!
phf: hmm i wonder what's english equivalent for распил. i think the word is as apropos, but just doesn't exist
asciilifeform: i looked for a good translation for ages phf
asciilifeform: normally i just say 'sawmilling'
phf: multitran gives some definitions, that are not too bad, but different for different contexts
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw what was the intended reference for tyrone ?
phf brb
asciilifeform: phf: in usa they sometimes speak of 'porkbarreling' but it is imho not quite same thing.
mircea_popescu: re raspil, is this a sort of ro "fumat" as in "s-a baut tot, s-a fumat tot"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gets all dey white wymenz
mircea_popescu: aha
trinque: well now I gotta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM
mircea_popescu: word!
mircea_popescu: dawg they're great. iron maiden ftw.
asciilifeform just took delivery of 50 years (400 pounds) of 'scientific american'
asciilifeform: up to the 1998 shitocalypse
mircea_popescu: cold winter prognosised ?
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: "Additionally, planners had to aggregate many types of goods and inputs into a single material balance because it was impossible to create an individual balance for each of the approximately 24 million items produced and consumed in the USSR." << ftr, this is actually actively pursued by yellen & co.
mircea_popescu: because shannonizer meanwhile CAN make excel templates for 24mn items. in java!
asciilifeform: weizenbaum (of 'eliza') predicted 100% of this in his 'computer power and human reason'
mircea_popescu: (brought to you by the people who believe closing factories and making "transfer payments" to "workers" is a superior pareto alternative to soviet planned economy)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mhm.
asciilifeform: namely, that welfare state would make use of the machine to produce vaguely-plausible nonsense in gargantuan quantities, in precisely this manner
mircea_popescu: stupid doesn't just go away. it simply dresses in the sky of the day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you gonna photocopy the sa, for when phf has the tits svg'er ready ?
asciilifeform: at some point
asciilifeform: it was a 'buy now or wait another decade' thing
mircea_popescu: myea
mircea_popescu: if my collection of kvant taught me anything, it's definitely the best of all investments - paperwork of the old library.
mircea_popescu: definitely beats art.
asciilifeform: kvant was bowel-looseningly awesome
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: the american sci-am (to '90s) was similar
asciilifeform: schematics for particle beam machines, etc.
mircea_popescu: well... we were younger, then.
asciilifeform: in late '90s it was purchased by a news conglomerate (i fuhget which) and turned into a rag
asciilifeform: (many pretty pictures of pandas etc but no actual material for thinking folk)
mircea_popescu: hey, this just means they were successful startup amirite ?
mircea_popescu: sell to someone else!
asciilifeform: ahahaha right
shinohai: $s http://www.coindesk.com/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-pledges-support-blockchain-tech/
a111: 1 results for "http://www.coindesk.com/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-pledges-support-blockchain-tech/", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coindesk.com%2Fpresidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-pledges-support-blockchain-tech%2F
asciilifeform: lemme guess, speech at mit ?
mircea_popescu: lmao, as part of the democrats' "bitcoin is terrorist money" initiative ?
mircea_popescu: "we'll support mit's hole-ridden ''blockchain'' instead!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, there you go : that's how they paid ~200mn to terrorists past two weeks.
mircea_popescu: hopefully the woman gets elected, we turn that into a cool trillion.
asciilifeform: with 5 working nodez lolk.
asciilifeform: 'Hard Fork: A hard fork would put a decisive end to the ongoing corewars game that is being played.' << lel somebody reads them l0gz
BingoBoingo: Look he cured his obesity! https://archive.is/kDmQf
shinohai: LO
wyrdmantis: $up drizztdourden
deedbot: drizztdourden voiced for 30 minutes.
drizztdourden: hello everyone, my fellow wyrdmantis brought me here to try eulora
shinohai: Welcome, hope you enjoy.
trinque: drizztdourden: you'll have to ask mircea_popescu for an account
drizztdourden: yes, thank you
drizztdourden: mircea_popescu: i want to try eulora, thanks
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 418389 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: hi there drizztdourden
mircea_popescu: $key drizztdourden
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e9c4c3fe-0d0b-4348-8512-75cbb10c4e02/
mircea_popescu: be a moment.
drizztdourden: sure
asciilifeform: in other non-nyooz, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2016/04/coda.html
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/moldbug_ebooks << lel this exists
mircea_popescu: drizztdourden http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7dffa58b-67d5-4a11-9a4d-68bff768a047/
mircea_popescu: $rate drizztdourden 1 Euloran
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3342e645-676f-449a-83a5-20bbd8ef0d5e/
mircea_popescu: $v 5103B823052B00BC3F996775D13A928B72402A581CBCC639EFDA312E3E74A2E0
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated drizztdourden 1 << Euloran
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform top tweet, "your chains can only be broken by our patented AA method, join the cult now!"
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with usians srsly.
mircea_popescu: and in the daily trilema roulette, http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487874 << we're up 440k in the first score and 200k on the 2nd. is this still from recent sks dump being put in ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:38 a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 10:30 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: current sks still has ~2 wks of juice in it
asciilifeform: but yes, i will outline the algo, when you throw in a key, you get +1 'submissions', regardless of whether said key has moduli, and +M known moduli, where M is the number of rsa moduli in said pgp key.
asciilifeform: 'moduli waiting for test' are any moduli that have never yet been crunched
asciilifeform: presently cruncher runs 1x every 4hrs.
asciilifeform: (covering ALL moduli in the db, not merely 'queued')
mircea_popescu: the point being that if there's less than 1 moduli known added for each ssh submission processed, we got a problem there.
asciilifeform: 1.
asciilifeform: thus far no rejects in the logs.
mircea_popescu: ah you watching it ? cool.
asciilifeform: i have the thing scroll.
asciilifeform: it is how i know anything at all.
mircea_popescu: http://67.media.tumblr.com/0c49f3cf0ae644308babd5b13509d1e3/tumblr_na8aaagXtw1th1i2xo1_400.gif << brought to you by misppeal meddia.
asciilifeform revels in the museum-quality sa issues, they are in airtight cellophanes
mircea_popescu: nice!
asciilifeform: most of'em anyway
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/06/OPD-Pulse-Shooting-Log.pdf << lulzy, possibly qntrable
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: whoa. did I really just make 34% shorting ETH...
trinque: lol, good work.
asciilifeform: 'PER WANDA FORD SHE ADV ANY MEDIA CALLS WE GET TO EMER01 6:40:13
asciilifeform: TELL THEM TO REFER TO OUR TWITTER PAGE. THEY ARE EMER01 6:40:21
asciilifeform: HOMELAND SECURITY 1097'
asciilifeform: ^ and other lulz.
asciilifeform: complete with mysterious censored bits.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d521af7c-48ce-4a78-8e0a-75d4d4845906/?raw=true << somewhat readable depdf
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The censored bits really detract from my motivation to do anything with it, but if someone else has the inclinations to do it...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no big loss, for all i know - whole thing is disinfo
BingoBoingo: Which is the other suspeicion
mircea_popescu: and today in signs of patriarchy : me and girl dress to go out. i have 172 buttons. she has one.
mircea_popescu: win.
asciilifeform: lel 172?! mircea_popescu dressed as what, 17th c. hussar ?
trinque: http://thesuiteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/michael-hussar-michaelhussar-oil-canvas-painting-art.jpg << googled hussar for visual, got...
shinohai: ^ Satan in BingoBoingo 's personal hell.
BingoBoingo: Nah, Satan's supposed to be your buddy, not a hambeast
trinque: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f4/36/2a/f4362a9c0e8650babb6aec4e64dc2656.jpg << I have another one for BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Would not sign a contract with, disqualified from being the devil.
mats: at least she can stand upright
asciilifeform: urgh
asciilifeform: in other lulz, i have nfi what this is : https://gist.github.com/rgov/c605161835a78ebea095fee9429c8c8a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://rstforums.com/forum/profile/209287-romanuls-anascutprostan << wtf..?
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Are you the one managing the phuctor effort?
midnightmagic: or looking after it or whatever?
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i wrote it, fwiw
asciilifeform: ( with generous support from mircea_popescu )
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: If you are interested in a copy of the SKS keyset as of.. I want to say mid-2012 or so (the same one that was used as evidence that Craig Wright backdated his keys) I can stuff it into an archive for you.
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i started with an only slightly younger sks
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't hurt to have a historic copy.
asciilifeform: for one thing, we could nail the question of whether the sks folk tell the truth in re 'nothing is ever removed'
asciilifeform: (or rather, nail it in the negative, if evidence of such turns up. otherwise it stays open)
midnightmagic: Okie doke. I originally downloaded a copy of it because I was having a discussion with some peeps about fingerprinting keys and preferences and bitsizes to see how unique various peoples' choices were, and then just never went anywhere with it.
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: You can wget from a tor HS site?
asciilifeform: not easily
asciilifeform brb
midnightmagic: Ah, okay, so the first one is dated Feb 19 2012. And I have another one here from Dec 6 2015. I'll zip up the 2012 one and post a URL and signature.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492150 << ahahaha nice one! never heard this ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 15:19 mircea_popescu: three days later alchie calls doc office in a passion. "doc, wtf do i do, i can't lift alcohol above my mouth."
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492071<< yeah i see your point, and incidentally agree here completely ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:57 mircea_popescu: Framedragger what i'm more and more discovering is that the legends about the internet and the facts about the network (not just the internet, network in general) are very much at odds. consider a few examples : L1 : "many eyes means better code" ; R1 : "many eyes means bikeshed effect" | L2 : "Bitcoin has many nodes" ; R2 "yeah, like less than 50." | L3 : "there's many weak consumer grade boxes out there" ;
Framedragger: those opinions and past rumours on the nets are sort of detrimental if anything to the experimental effort which is sorely needed in all areas here
Framedragger: who would have thought
Framedragger: (not me, apparently; need to work against that internalized bias some more)
Framedragger: (bias to trust legendz)
trinque: was just about to say, cartography > traveler's legends
Framedragger: problem when world is big and you need to trust other cartographers, i guess
trinque: use your WoT
Framedragger: that's a start for sure. sometimes cartographers from far away lands not connected to your network of trust, i guess. but then perhaps no need to trust much about far away lands anyway
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492083 << out of loop; soo, many awesome bitcoin nodes actually run on the same host? kinda hilarious / sad ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 15:02 mircea_popescu: after the shocking revelations earlier this year, that really many things which seemed actually hosted properly (ie, own box etc) and on this basis assumed independent were really THE SAME ONE ITEM, i think even the 50 figure is generous.
trinque: $s sybil
a111: 68 results for "sybil", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sybil
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: See alf's AWS hammer
BingoBoingo: $up linton_s_dawson1
deedbot: linton_s_dawson1 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492397 << yes! :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 18:23 asciilifeform: lel 172?! mircea_popescu dressed as what, 17th c. hussar ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492398 << see also alt spellyng, hussy-arr. http://66.media.tumblr.com/8f8a4e297b0bd1d6a3c698d2d9e2923f/tumblr_nz1hjgjn0q1v0vlh7o1_500.gif ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 18:26 trinque: http://thesuiteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/michael-hussar-michaelhussar-oil-canvas-painting-art.jpg << googled hussar for visual, got...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492406 << hm ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 19:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://rstforums.com/forum/profile/209287-romanuls-anascutprostan << wtf..?
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu apparently i can't log in eulora
mircea_popescu: lol dude... check out all the obscure venues where people discuss me knowingly.
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis server's up, what's teh problem ?
BingoBoingo: Why you can't hire redditurds https://archive.is/re5Z0
drizztdourden: mircea_popescu now he's online but i get always incorrect username or password
drizztdourden: we are connected to the same router
mircea_popescu: yeah well that doesn't work.
shinohai: There's just not enough asylums in the US anymore fr these people.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492429 << the link is quite germane. even as late as 1800 romanian popular geography included "muscali cu coada", literally, moscow people had tails, like a cat. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 19:39 trinque: was just about to say, cartography > traveler's legends
mircea_popescu: lol someone plugged the router cable ?
shinohai: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/747897783802277888
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Dealing with idiot car buyers: A primer. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/28/dealing-with-idiot-car-buyers-a-primer/
shinohai: Ethereum: -11.73 % The DAO: -17.88 %
mircea_popescu: no ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it fixed ? i thought THEY WERE COMING AFTER ME!!11
shinohai: :D
mircea_popescu: gonna leave https://archive.is/UlYmh for the posterities.
asciilifeform: 'I could not understand, this is a company who had a hard hit by a bug, yet they could able to hit again by a bug. Okey they have pressure on they back but this is a second market crush. I'm so sad to see this post.'
asciilifeform: gold.
mircea_popescu: gotta love it when the "solution" to the "solution" consists of PLEASE DONT RUN OUR CODE
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492454 << 'dog men' appeared in atlas until when, 15th c ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 21:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492429 << the link is quite germane. even as late as 1800 romanian popular geography included "muscali cu coada", literally, moscow people had tails, like a cat.
mircea_popescu: "we are the premier engineer and science institution IN THE WORLD!"
mircea_popescu: and could totally buy... an apple.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: and to round the lolz farm, " The code was open-sourced on March 3rd, so experts had almost two months to find vulnerabilities before it was deployed. It was also audited (at an alleged cost of $250k) by the same firm that audited geth before the frontier launch." (you remember, by the "dejavu" derps, that proud scion of bitcoin security of bitcoinica days. https://archive.is/yZ0ke )
mircea_popescu: and, of course, let's not forget historical posturing https://archive.is/iKC07 by the TRULY professional slock.it "all staer" team : simon jentzsch (founder & "ceo"), christoph jentzch (founder's relative & "CTO"), stephan tual (staph patient & coockoo), lefteris karapetsas, griff green, colm herbert, and the one, the only, dr! christian reitwiessner, the creator of stolidity!
mircea_popescu: "CTO" &
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/iKC07
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492457 << so basically, as part of its ongoing cold war against insufficiently-pliable torvalds, the usg through its usg.twitter agency... repurposed what it claims to be "linus' account", ie, a voodoo doll they made for him. and this somehow is supposed to reflect on the man ? why, because we're all from the great nation of africa and ergo fucktarded in the brain ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 21:36 shinohai: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/747897783802277888