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mircea_popescu: there's a lot there.
mircea_popescu: this "monogamous relationship living in block of flats with 50 sqft kitchen" thing is nonsense in ways the victims don't even grasp.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if he's in a typical american house, the conduit is solidly drywalled ~into~ the wall. << But he can run new conduit from box along the ceiling anchored to outside of wall
mircea_popescu: ahgahaha!
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Пиздануться... - возразил Учитель Рапришнш-вутра. ☟︎
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Pizdanutsya ... - said the teacher Raprishnsh-vutra.
mircea_popescu: pizdanutsya is right.
BingoBoingo: When "residential" wiring standards fail needs best to add new wires to commercial standards and just learn to bend conduit.
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en который шел по улице весело распевая песню: Хари Кришна, хари Рама, хари Смехопанорама!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: who was walking along the street singing fun songs: Hari Krishna, Hari Ram, Hari Smehopanorama!
mircea_popescu: hare smenopanorama! this shit's epic.
mircea_popescu: thanks phf
mircea_popescu: o wait, it's an actual show ? aww.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542736 << it is a device that sits in sink trap and grinds down objects therein ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 23:37 mircea_popescu: here we sit wondering about "garburators", which i dun have, and dun particularly want ; meanwhile he sits around with roach nests deliberately placed in the house, something the soviets cca 1966 wouldn't have allowed.
asciilifeform: aka 'garbage disposal'
asciilifeform: one can get them even for toilets here.
asciilifeform: (now, as to ~why~ in the latter case, i do not know)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542749 << my current kitchen approaches size of my entire old flat ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 23:59 mircea_popescu: anyway ; i will propose that the large kitchen is a fundamental part in the happiness and sane social insertion of young women ; that even poor places in orcland implement it as more essential sociocultural component than, eg, men's mechanicizing garage ; that all effort should be directed at having one above all else.
asciilifeform: and yes, it makes a diff.
asciilifeform: even with minimal crew, of 1...
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta start having the young'uns over to learn how to cook and things.
asciilifeform: ... the who?
mircea_popescu: they have no young where you live ?
asciilifeform: none that i can tolerate the company of for >10min or so
mircea_popescu: and the reason for this being, evidently, that they didn't get kitchen-socialized in due time.
asciilifeform: (at least not above low ppm concentration)
asciilifeform: i've nfi why, maybe lead poisoning, or shitburgers, or wriggley chewing gum.
asciilifeform: or small kitchens.
mircea_popescu: small kitchens.
phf: i used to think hanging out in the kitchen is exclusively su thing (i know i know), but iranians do the same thing. and the pattern is exactly the same, everyone's drinking tea, and then somebody will just break out a skillet and make omelette or whatever, "of course for everyone in the room"
phf: current place has a decent sized kitchen, it's one of those arrangements where kitchen is part of living room, but it's almost comical how badly it's designed. nobody who's participated in the design of that kitchen has ever cooked anything in their entire lives.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (now, as to ~why~ in the latter case, i do not know) << Usually because people now "finish" basements in new construction placing a toilet below sewer line. Grinder is so turds can be pumped up to sewer line.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-16#1542754 << i was trying to translate dao-kakao and realized that it's impossible, since there's no equivalent of мат in english language. fuck, cunt, dick, grunt ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-16 00:11 mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Пиздануться... - возразил Учитель Рапришнш-вутра.
shinohai: !!key diana_coman
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7xmux/?raw=true
shinohai: !!key pete_dushenski
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/m21jl/?raw=true
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/autopilot-provider-dumps-elon-musk-tesla/ << Qntra - "Autopilot" Provider Dumps Elon Musk, Tesla
BingoBoingo: "member berries"
BingoBoingo: I am astounded at that wordplay
mircea_popescu: phf back in her younger days chet held open kitchen for the girls of the neighbourhood + some foster kids ; because she could cook, and wasn't an idiot - which was more than could be said about the respective girls' mothers/grandmothers.
mircea_popescu: the list of things modern derp doesn't realise could do because never had opportunity to find out is long indeed.
mircea_popescu: phf "for a thousand dollars i make my own hole". who cares what exists in english ? MAKE it. Pizdanutsya = cuntilized or w/e.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, if one googles for argentina's writer's union, the only result is BOXING writers union. that's it.
mircea_popescu: they got borges, and that's good enough. what if he's president for life of an item that doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: "President of the Argentine Society of Writers and as Professor of English and American Literature at the Argentine Association of English Culture"
mircea_popescu: now find these things.
mircea_popescu: the entire western canon, 1966-2016, is a fabrication. the entire fucking thing. not "global warming" or "smoking kills" or "rape on campuses" or "barack obama, scholar" or whatnot other pinpoint nonsensical "movements". not even "environmentalism" or "feminism" or you know, "war on" this or that.
mircea_popescu: no. the ENTIRE FUCKING THING. all of it.
mircea_popescu: condolezza rice was literate, carly fiorina was an exemplary woman, blablabla in the exact same sense elliot rodgers was a supreme gentleman "descended of aristocracy".
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/alibaba-clamps-down-on-internal-theft/ << Qntra - Alibaba Clamps Down On Internal Theft
shinohai: And so that is the end of Alibaba and the 40 thieves.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: off by factor of ten
shinohai: *Alibaba and the 4 moon-thieves
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants cake bad enough to steal it
mircea_popescu shudders at the hamplanet problem china is prolly hatching
BingoBoingo: lol, anyways apparently southpark season 20 started this week. I am still lolling at their "member berries" wordplay
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 You might appreciate: https://twitter.com/ECorpCEO/status/776519710259019777
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i can't help but notice the fascination with this mysterios ceo figure in the usg.pinoy dept.
shinohai: Pop culture poisoning
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's supposed to be "funny" ; the only problem being that cancerous fags can't possibly be funny. not no matter how hard they try ; not just because they try too hard.
BingoBoingo: But funny things can happen to them. Like when the token trophy Muslim Hillary advisor got cucked by her man's sexts to all the twitter pr0n spammers.
BingoBoingo: brb
mircea_popescu: tru.
mod6: morning Gentlemen.
mod6: <+shinohai> !~later tell mod6 You might appreciate: https://twitter.com/ECorpCEO/status/776519710259019777 << lol! did you see the latest one?
mod6: I watched it lastnight, was lmao.
shinohai: I haven't watched it yet :/
shinohai: saw the clips
mod6: ah, werd.
mod6: hahah, i wont spoil the choice quotes for anyone.
shinohai: its saved on dvr tho
shinohai: so when i get time to watch
thestringpuller: mod6 is the real life mr. robot
shinohai: something like that. he is involved with fsociety surely
mod6: lol, except i hate python
shinohai: it's a pain in the ass
mircea_popescu: maybe that's just what you want us to think.
mod6: thestringpuller: saw your blog post btw yesterday. yeeaaaaaaaah.
shinohai curses eulora for consuming his entire day yesterday
mod6: it's great isn't it?
shinohai: yup
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: shinohai you know once you get half decent at the metagame you don't have to baby it. i spend about 10-20 minutes a day changing bot diapers is all.
mircea_popescu: but of course to get there gotta put some study in to climb teh curve.
mircea_popescu looks
shinohai: as I said, the game plays you
mircea_popescu: 443 + 44 flotsam, 120+6 spicy moss ; 112 + 142 boulders, bout a hundred wpl, cr, some dcs, wwb etc. since ~this time yest.
shinohai: danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance
mircea_popescu: which incidentally... it really makes me chuckle at the predicament of "AAA" studios. so first, they make a broken game (broken here defined as, not-neutral state-evolution-graph) ; because their game is broken, they have to forbid bots - not just in form, but in practice. then if they don't manage to forbid them too efficiently they die everquest/diablo 3 style, inflation. but if they do manage to forbid them, they die like
mircea_popescu: wow / eve / etc : people go through the early game, master it, then can't move on to the logical next phase so they just quit. so now AAA studio is forced to salvage broken game that broke their playerbase through... oh shit, incentives. ie, inflation, ie, "we'll give you free level 60 characters". because guess what, the inflation was actually better than death, and their success at doing what they wanted to do (prevent bots
mircea_popescu: !), inasmuch as they wanted to something stupid, turns out to be contrary to what they... ~actually~ wanted to do.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow this inept cycle of self-effacement does NOT enlighten their stupid heads that yo! what we thought was the problem couldn't have possibly been the problem, seeing how the better we fix it, the worse things get! and then we have to circumvolutedly revert the very fix!
mircea_popescu: not to mention that what we thought is the goal can't possibly be the goal! so how about we stop with the shit and do things right.
mircea_popescu: but oh, no, none of that. thousands of derps all "know", in the sense of being wrong in the same way ; and borges is President of the Argentine Society of Writers.
diana_coman: shinohai> danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance <- wait, did you do it *manually*?
shinohai: yeah because i forgot the proper way the first time :/
mircea_popescu: lmao
diana_coman: loool, well deserved penance indeed then
diana_coman: :p
mircea_popescu: btw shinohai you wanna dig up a buncha ords for me ? or did you level building already ?
shinohai: i go *all the way back* and thankfully loot is still floating in the air
shinohai: yeah mircea_popescu when i get client fired up we'll chat
mircea_popescu: kk
mircea_popescu: shinohai also, you got that bridge bot going right ? iirc that was a mn ecu for you ?
shinohai: not yet, it is too crude to run
shinohai: :(
shinohai: i have been so focused on getting controls to behave lol
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
asciilifeform: in other lelz, http://www.theonion.com/article/disillusioned-hacker-starting-to-feel-like-he-has--53953
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: good thing they're not using paper ballots.
asciilifeform: yeah they used to have to pay folks to get on buses and stuff the boxez
asciilifeform: whereas now - not.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but in soviet russia.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/JNekz << in yet other lulz.
asciilifeform: 'The long-planned participatory (shall we say) sculpture by the Italian artist Maurizio Cattelan — a fully functional, solid 18-karat-gold copy of a Kohler toilet, an over-the-top apotheosis of wealth — was installed in the humble restroom on the fifth-floor ramp of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum late last week and will be open for business to anyone with the urge on Friday...' ☟︎
asciilifeform: coming next, surely, public atomic dirigible rides!1111
trinque: the piece is called "America"
trinque lols
asciilifeform: http://www.mignews.info/dlazhnik-razrushi-ipotekiranata-si-kashta-i-ya-stovari-pred-bankata << moar lelz. fella owed mortgage on house, but not land. foreclosed, so returned house to bank. without land. using excavator.
asciilifeform: (bulgaria, if it isn't obvious)
mircea_popescu: i dunno man... at ~1k usd / cc... a toilet's pretty bulky.
asciilifeform: eh betcha it's gilged.
mircea_popescu: says solid 18k
asciilifeform: says buncha things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, gold is very dense. a coffee mug full of gold is easily 2x the yearly income of the mug's owner
ben_vulpes: in other strange, my trb node is currently sitting on 9756 VIRT, and has an entire core completely pegged.
mircea_popescu: mb ?!
ben_vulpes: aha
asciilifeform: we all have materials table on the wall, just as mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: not all, alfie.
peterl: some of us have it in our head instead of on wall
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can you looksee what's allocated ?
ben_vulpes: lessee here
mircea_popescu: and in other "i'm just dumping links for bots to archive" news, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-09-16.log.html#t17:44:03
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/t88xc/?raw=true << liek dis?
peterl: maybe someday I write script to dig through logs and archive shit
mircea_popescu: 00007fd9b506c000 5972292K rwx-- [ anon ] << what's in there ?
mircea_popescu: the rest is ~more or less normal.
ben_vulpes: how do i look inside that?
ben_vulpes: this is a dark and unfamiliar corner of linux to me
mircea_popescu: well, gdb should let you see it. the prefix there is the address
mircea_popescu: maybe look in /prof
mircea_popescu: /proc*
ben_vulpes: kk
mircea_popescu: generally you should be able to open /proc/pid/mem as a normal unix file.
ben_vulpes back in 5, disembarking train
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: what happened to actually instrumenting with valgrind etc, as i described in agonizing detail on the ml last year ? the linux footprint thing is not very useful.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd have to restart the process to get data out of valgrind, right?
asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: there was another instrumenter that compiled in, and worked in real time, see june/july '15 ml
mircea_popescu: ^
ben_vulpes: well compiled in, i still hafta restart the process
asciilifeform: no
ben_vulpes: curious to see what's in there while it's live.
asciilifeform: that was whole point !
ben_vulpes: o.O
asciilifeform: that you don't have to
ben_vulpes: what means "compiled in" then?!
ben_vulpes: nevermind.
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << not this?
asciilifeform: nope.
trinque: lol
trinque: ben_vulpes: go back in time and compile in the instrumenter before this happened!
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: yaok i'll accept that the engine room needs a new dial.
mircea_popescu: in the sad story of exactly this, the first time i ran new eulora client, it crashed. i've bee nrunning it in gdb ever since, has not crashed since. 5 weeks!
mircea_popescu: i'll give up and run it plain one day, at which point...
ben_vulpes: memory use aside, is the 100% cpu use symptomatic of blackholing, asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: no, it is symptomatic of block verifying
asciilifeform: if it's grinding a block, it'll peg at 100.
asciilifeform: (and though the algo is infinitely parallelizable, it has 0 parallelism as implemented by the idiot)
ben_vulpes: right, k. and when it's verifying a block, does it typically go entirely unresponsive to rpc commands?
asciilifeform: absolutely.
ben_vulpes: mhhhhm.
ben_vulpes: this *should* be a transient affair though wtf
asciilifeform: not if you're 7 yrs out of sync
asciilifeform: you gotta understand the sheer imbecility of the thing
ben_vulpes: ya well that is categorically not the case for this node.
asciilifeform: it is barely fathomable.
ben_vulpes: until ~last night the thing was tracking the chain tip like a bloodhound.
asciilifeform: what's the log look like ?
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a4tis/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: oh that's lulzeriffic, the processblock log lines don't get timestamped?
ben_vulpes: log is 72619592 lines long, last accepted block was at 72529974
ben_vulpes off, will resume later
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the native logging of prb are fascinatingly bad.
mircea_popescu: kinda why ~nobody actually uses it as is
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-tradebot-spec/ << Trilema - Eulora tradebot spec
phf: `card.freenode.net * a111 "Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable"` well then...
mircea_popescu: phf gotta ghost it
mircea_popescu: and in other news, hot damn it's great watching girls work out.
phf: +1
mircea_popescu: best enjoyed with a sammich, after you're done watching girls do dishes.
mod6: nice.
mircea_popescu: i think it shall be called a watcharium from now on. wtf "harem" bs.
mircea_popescu: panopticunt.
asciilifeform: i thought it was a do-arium, while owner's cock works
asciilifeform: and watcharium when he's old
mircea_popescu: well alf... i guess i'm old.
asciilifeform: ain't nothing wrong with being old, other than the obvious minuses
mircea_popescu: "eh... we fucked yesterday."
mod6: you can't fuck 100% of the time. there's some division there. like 70% watch, 30% fuck.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes, but that's per girl ;/
mod6: :D
mod6: hey, some division, some multipication.
mircea_popescu: word.
phf: right, but apparently normally this comes in as a err_nicknameinuse message, now it's err_unavailableresources
phf: there are more things in heaven and earth, horatio
phf: by the end of this exercise we're going to all have the total sum of all the hacks that are in eggdrop, indepedently rediscovered
trinque sighs
mircea_popescu: windows style error handling is, "whatever error we recieve reboot"
trinque: I do that, sadly.
trinque: but doesn't help if there are myriad cases one must use ghost
trinque: could I suppose just aggressively ghost each time
mircea_popescu: in other news, cockroaches are more robust than women ; especially in radiation contaminated areals.
mircea_popescu: so fuck cockroaches.
phf: usg science suggests solution, make cockroach sized penises
mircea_popescu: "how do you fuck a chicken ?" "wrap it in duct tape" "and how do you fuck a cockroach ?" "wrap it in duct tape and fuck it with usg scientific penis."
mod6: heheh
phf: -NickServ- a111 is not online.
phf: //nick a111
phf: *** Nickname a111 is temporarily unavailable, trying a111`
phf: (i'm using this "fuck you phf, love freenode" to upgrade the btcbase instance, so site is down for half hour or so)
asciilifeform: in other 'news', heathen 'rng design' folk write what aaaaaalmost looked like good intro to subj, https://forum.stanford.edu/events/2016/slides/iot/Ben.pdf , until the mindfuck 'Want to keep generating entropy bits without needing to keep powering the HWRNG Use HWRNG to seed a PRNG (AES counter mode)...'
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#629 << 'what are the odds that this human's left tit is a hairy enough to shade the sahara?'
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [23:12:10] * mircea_popescu was reading pete d, ended up on "Knowing that on average humans have one testicle and one ovary, what are the odds that this human's left ovary is a testicle ?"
phf: site's up, bot's up, a111 nick is still unobtainable
mircea_popescu: ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major advantage in early automotive work. torx does not cam out ; which was major advantage in
pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: is "garburator" supposed to be "garbage carburator" ? because that may be the lamest corporate attempt at humour to date.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: folk name
mircea_popescu: that doesn't make it right.
pete_dushenski: 'but eventually relented and traded the garburator for a hood over the stove,' << current place... doesn't have range hood. smoky ? smelly ? open the windows and patio doors and get a cross-breeze going
asciilifeform: and they're a household thing, made by 1,001 chinese whatevers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we definitely had thread re: 'torx'
mircea_popescu: !~search torx
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: There were no matching configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: !#search torx
mircea_popescu: !#s torx
mircea_popescu: ah it's not voiced hm.
mircea_popescu: !!up a112
deedbot: a112 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !#s torx
a112: 13 results for "torx", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=torx
asciilifeform: well yes but he's off
phf: in other news apparently the command is "nickserv release"
mircea_popescu: release only works half the time.
mircea_popescu: also site is timing out
phf: yeah, i decided to touch the server and now everything's broken
asciilifeform: anyway the description given is off, phillips screw was used precisely because it slips when torqued up. 'torx' and similar - do not. they were introduced when dynamometer (torque wrench) became standard at conveyor.
asciilifeform: and the 'poor man's dynamometer' of phillips screw - no longer essential
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: phillips doesn't slip ; torx doesn't cam out
phf: in case anyone thinks that commercial lisp vendors are any good, i'm getting completely random failed to allocate errors on lispworks
mircea_popescu: we didn't really think so, no.
asciilifeform: phf: you went straight there from cmucl ?
asciilifeform: and incidentally if it's the crippleware version it will fail to allocate when you reach the cripplement limit
phf: nah, professional, i have a license from elsewhere, that i'm .. evaluating
mircea_popescu: how much is it ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i always thought 'garburator' was more of a garbage-purolator : a machine for mailing garbage as far away as possible
phf: a professional single os/cpu version is $1300
mircea_popescu: oh, so you mean enough to pay for a dedicated server running lamp for a whole year ?
phf: there was this idea in the naggum emails that all the problems go away once you stop being cheap and pay for a real lisp. maybe that was the case in 2001 when he wrote it, but in practice it turns out to not be so
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it costs about two or three days of the programmer.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe it was the case 15 years ago either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: based on what ? magic 8ball ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see anyone here (other than me, but w/e) ever spend time debugging apache etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform based on exactly this type of interaction with exactly this type of fellow, back then.
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#334 << looks like contravex uses the same footnote plugin as trilema, so you should be good to go
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [17:37:23] <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
asciilifeform tried allegro and lispworks in '09, was not esp. happy.
mircea_popescu: 09 is not 01.
asciilifeform: phf: is there a reason you're allergic to sbcl and will try even payware before it ?
phf: yes, it's in logs
asciilifeform: the interpreter ?
asciilifeform: it is only needed for debug... why not deploy on a lisp that actually WORKS?
pete_dushenski: 'EVERYTHING MUST GO IN THE DISHWASHER AND THAT MUST BE FINE.' << chez moi i throw everything in the dishwasher, which i then run when full and empty thereafter, while the girl does this 'wash by hand as you go and air dry on the rack' thing for reasons i don't fully comprehend.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc you deployed the only thing known on python which worked ; and serve via apache ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: worse
asciilifeform: http server thing in python, with apache for statics (pictures etc)
mircea_popescu: is what i said neh ?
asciilifeform: yes but mircea_popescu's picture was charitable.
phf: asciilifeform: well, fwiw i used sbcl for years and was running in increasingly larger number of problems. just small annoyances. when i tried interacting with sbcl "community" it turned out to be the usual suspects, google employees, gender pronounced. i have the same antipathy to sbcl as you to llvm
trinque: sbcl has been taken over from the original guy
asciilifeform: phf: i can easily believe this. fwiw my copy is ancient.
asciilifeform: perhaps i ought to nail it to a board and post.
mircea_popescu: not to necessarily discourage the eager from using lisp or anything else. by all means. but certainly to discourage an unrealistic view of performance etc.
phf: sbcl last time i checked was entirely developed by google
trinque: one of them at least is a complete idiot who told me in #sbcl that gpg signing was pointless because "somebody could just pay me to sign something malicious"
asciilifeform: l0l!!
mircea_popescu: trinque please with name.
asciilifeform: ^
trinque looks
mircea_popescu: this is how they think, you know ? and while not conscious, because celenterates, nevertheless effectual. because a large collection of betas will naturally fall on solutions to the problems of betas.
mircea_popescu: much like bacteria manage.
phf: anyway, first version of btcbase was written in python, and ran for a year as a proxy to znc with a synchronizer to kako. basically exactly what Framedragger has right now
phf: i'm pretty sure i've not had to touch it once
mircea_popescu: i only have to go in there when someone "upgrades" something.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiot kids.
asciilifeform: phf: ever try ccl ?
phf: but the rewrite happened for two reasons, one is that i wanted to do interesting analysis on entire corpus (which is something python will strugle with) and that tmsr canon called for technology ownership. cmucl seems like a reasonable stack to own, considering that it's abandonware. fwiw it benchmarks faster than either sbcl (by fraction) or lispworks (by a huge margin, wtf now) on doing bit twiddling like the search that we do
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but you gotta own it.
asciilifeform: phf: http://ccl.clozure.com
mircea_popescu: you know, 5yo me came home one day, asked mom if "fried cow is good to eat".
mircea_popescu: because 5yo me had observed some cows, and figured... what the hell!
phf: :>
phf: i've used cmucl in the past, like 10 years ago, and still have most of my lisp code for it/in it. than i switched to ccl and deployed few things commercially with it. the only lisp i've never explicitly worked with except toying around is sbcl
trinque: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k21rs/?raw=true << guy's very active >> https://sourceforge.net/u/stassats/profile/
mircea_popescu: maybe somebody's paying him!
trinque: nameless bastards, afraid of signing their works.
trinque: ahaha
phf: ffs
phf: that's it, i'm retiring. to elba
mircea_popescu: !~google baterii elba
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: ELBA , de la sursa bateriilor pentru lanterne în comunism la corpuri ...: <http://www.mediafax.ro/social/elba-de-la-sursa-bateriilor-pentru-lanterne-in-comunism-la-corpuri-de-iluminat-si-faruri-pentru-masini-fabrica-salvata-de-venirea-renault-la-dacia-galerie-foto-10706053>; Baterii elba - Cumpara cu incredere de pe Okazii.ro.: <https://www.okazii.ro/cautare/baterii%2Belba.html>; Amintiri din Epoca de (1 more message)
phf: from now on i'm working on mp-wp, full time, a shell of a man. you can point newcomers at an old shambling figure, "that's phf. he's tending our flower bed"
mircea_popescu: this cult is turning into a cocoa of a monastery.
trinque: phf: offer stands for me to be your court jew of sbcl-ing
mircea_popescu: anyway, more productively : an actually working lisp environment isn't a bad idea ; but premature today imo.
mircea_popescu: the way to owning technologies is ; by picking technologies to own that are small enough on the way there. much like the way to eat a whale is by eating earthworms while frogsized.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is sorta why i came upon the notion of resurrecting 'tinyscheme'
asciilifeform: but it is quite certainly a frog
mircea_popescu: this method seems wasteful ; from experience it actually delivers. the more direct, intuitive approach not only always fails, but predictably so, which is why it's such a great ally of statu quo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: the thing is, it's a frog, but a standardized frog.
asciilifeform: as in, there is a very pedantic test suite.
phf: i probably wrote most code for tbr/shiva, and it was an exercise in rewriting common lisp from scratch
asciilifeform: yes i recall this.
asciilifeform: phf did some very fine work with it.
asciilifeform: and any work with scheme will inevitably have the flavour of 'recreating common lisp from scratch.'
mircea_popescu: "most lisps today are buggy half working implementations" or how did the quote go.
asciilifeform: 'most large programs'
mircea_popescu: not that part.
mircea_popescu: ok, this is almost as fun to watch as girls doing butt lifts.
mircea_popescu: !~google irc bot in php
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: WildPHP: A PHP IRC Bot: <https://wildphp.com/>; Simple PHP IRC Bot Script - A PHP IRC Bot - WildPHP: <https://wildphp.com/simple-irc-bot>; Top Tutorials - A PHP IRC Bot - WildPHP: <https://wildphp.com/tutorials>
asciilifeform: '2016-08-31 19:52:29 Xof the copy of my key that was on sourceforge had an error in it ever since it was uploaded'
asciilifeform: '2016-08-31 19:52:31 stassats frankly, i don't believe in the web of trust, you can only know who uploaded
asciilifeform: 2016-08-31 19:52:36 stassats not their intentions'
asciilifeform: wat.
trinque: best lisp compiler is in the hands of imbeciles, is wat.
asciilifeform: trinque: we have the pill. pick a time, t. and all sbcl work after t, is dead to us...
asciilifeform: the trb method.
trinque: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sbcl-devel/7A7TmBne6xw/fxxgM2xIdEMJ
trinque: ^ announcement of Newman's resignation from the project
phf: !#s dog
a111: 990 results for "dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog
phf: <**> Out of memory: Failed to allocate object of size 40000008 [10/10]
mircea_popescu: !#s as
a111: 37308 results for "as", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=as
mircea_popescu: pretty snappy.
phf: right, but the url above timeouts
mircea_popescu: and in other tooling news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/1f3675ccd63cc4eedc95167f1685315a/tumblr_o4kjg3ie4S1ui7jcmo1_400.gif
phf: Error: Segmentation violation(11) [code 0] at 42405E119C {outside Lisp heap}
phf: etc.
phf: fuck it, i'm going to port it to sbcl
mircea_popescu: it requires porting ?
phf: well, cmucl version was very cmucl specific, when i ported it to lispworks i made it portable, but i'm sure there are some small things left
mircea_popescu: well, gl with sbcl.
mircea_popescu: http://67.media.tumblr.com/2328e4c72bbec3ad89158518ae1c8821/tumblr_nv7u2ccKU11tlnr6jo1_400.gif << summer dresses rule.
shinohai was just enjoying such a view
mircea_popescu: and in counterpoint news, http://hajiwonposts.tumblr.com/post/146939320580
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: i think we had this thread
mircea_popescu: some of the weirdest shit there. including somebody who thought using a common glass salad bowl as a receiver is a good idea, somehow ; lotta casual "your cunt's bare, why not be naked" stuff, and etc
asciilifeform: eh wait, sc4m! some of these chix dun look pregnant at all
asciilifeform: what even is that object they're 'birthing'
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
asciilifeform: it looks quite similar in various pics
mircea_popescu: a... puppy ?
asciilifeform: ... raw chicken ?
ben_vulpes: ...placenta?
mircea_popescu: anyway. hard to tell from a pic, there's considerable variance in abdominal swelling.
asciilifeform: e.g., http://hajiwonposts.tumblr.com/post/148141851075/good?is_related_post=1
mircea_popescu: and in other things that could beenfit from a blockchain trustless digital autonomous crypto anarcho syndicalist commune : https://www.emlalock.com/
mircea_popescu: hopefully someone makes a coin for that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in re earlier, gotta wonder re the existence of... abortion pr0n
asciilifeform: ( if 1, why not the other )
mircea_popescu: i imagine it must.
mircea_popescu: gore is a thing ; since before rotten.com
asciilifeform: and didn't mircea_popescu tells us about some chick who had one every other month or the like
mircea_popescu: that was before digicams.
asciilifeform: and not just the 'gore', but complete kit, with chix 'butterflying' themselves while they spray it out, etc
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?1
mircea_popescu: self-administered abortions ?
asciilifeform: not necessarily
asciilifeform: but 'medical fetish' is a not wholly unknown thing
asciilifeform: and theoretically cunt engine can work just as well on 'out' stroke as 'in', eh?
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!
asciilifeform: well, theoretically, 'reverse penetration'
mircea_popescu: i dun follow ?
asciilifeform: they're being fucked, from reverse end
mircea_popescu: through 30m of intestine ?
asciilifeform: neh, the other tract
thestringpuller: lololol Spells of Genesis is so ADHD
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuRf6r0LuL8 << speaking of powerful drones, check out this octocopter used for 'dronesurfing'
pete_dushenski: model 'Freefly ALTA 8'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the retiarius' weapons may well make a comeback. drone should be able to drop weighted net on, say, schoolgirl, neh ?
pete_dushenski: yup. retariopter
pete_dushenski: http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-nsa-has-files-on-a-country-that-doesnt-exist << how dare the nsa have a file on a nonexistent country that isn't tmsr!
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: because tmsr exists ?
pete_dushenski: must be that eh.
pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/personal-growth/10-ways-to-adapt-to-prison-7e1956904409#.adpucwiwj << speaking of new realities, what kind of fuckin soi-dissant 'guide to prison' doesn't include 'stab first, ask questions later' ?
pete_dushenski: 'Don’t gamble or use drugs' ? how goddam lame is that.
mod6: tmsr even has a cia factbook
pete_dushenski: only if mp's a cia mole.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski most people who go to "prison" end up in low and mid security joints.
mircea_popescu: not to mention people who don't ain't reading fucking medium.
pete_dushenski: ~no one who's going anywhere, even prison, reads medium
pete_dushenski: tweets get more views
mircea_popescu: anyway. "don't gamble" is solid advice. gamble works in prison exactly like outside - as taxation. unless you're running the joint, gambling is just another way of looking for a boyfriend.
thestringpuller: "I put on for my country." - Young Stalin
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, if you'll be going to prison for limp dick shit, your best move is to have bitcoin and a wot. the personnel is poorly paid, greatly infiltrated by gold diggers who correctly intuit this is their easiest way to endear themselves to the sort of people who can touch real money, however briefly, and generally very supportive. for as long as you got leverage outside you'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you make sure that a) usg can't get at your wealth and b) you left a network behind you're liable to find the prison term more pleasant than life at home./
mircea_popescu: (they also know this ; which is why all the derpy "murder for hire" and assorted nonsense keeps trying to be tacked on)
mircea_popescu: and in other "prison for women" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8821c5e865e9249a8dc810fae9938131/tumblr_o8cxlv1tVj1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: oh incredibly enough, i might have found alf's altatron. http://torturepain.tumblr.com/post/142820473702/queensnake
BingoBoingo: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=member+berries&defid=10244291 << Really, mo one realizes "member berries" is testicles?
asciilifeform: https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/04/method-so-acceptable-dea-cant-even-tell-you-its-na << gut-busting
mircea_popescu: speaking of gutbusting. http://65.media.tumblr.com/65f8b6c2bf6f967f5b2bbb5a47a0a962/tumblr_nzjhscfFlU1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ perhaps ~that~ is the subj of link !!
mircea_popescu: "2011 FBI report finds “broadening U.S. military presence” responsible for rise in terror attacks" << hurr. "today we discovered that if we go attack some people, they'll attack us right back."
asciilifeform: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/dea-vaughn-index-10335/#file-16280 << lel, tighter lips than nsa on typical day
asciilifeform: (the latter usually shits out pages-denied count)
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda amused at the notion that anyone much gives a shit either way.
asciilifeform: well, on a list of 'the four seeekrit evidences', stoolies, nsatronics , parallel construction, and ????. So what's ???? ... telepathy? magic 8ball?
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#441 << and what's this
asciilifeform: et tu scribabrute?!
asciilifeform: what, i mean, is an altatron.
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#437 << sounds like a recipe for coke machine, not favours from jailer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#413 <
mircea_popescu: in other news, pop quiz is unanymous : jordan mactaggart was pretty hot.
adlai: from my experience in two situations not dissimilar from low-security gaol, mircea_popescu is correct about the staff
adlai: (idf (including lots of secondhand familiarity with both sides of its military prison system) and 'hospital')
adlai: asciilifeform: my primary gripe with sbcl is that if you do enough network operations in parallel, you hit some race condition, and must restart lisp to continue webbing.
adlai is still using sbcl, this only happens every few months of scalping so it's not too hairy a shirt
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 113824259307333733622621589643049751142859902349974419208869344787806302253267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+>; '
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 113824259307333733622621589643049751142859902349974419208869344787806302253267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+>; '
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1CC7C0F992FB8527D4B489D4202EB78672F9E0A7F2908A5A3611A00611CDE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 113824259307333733622621589643049751142859902349974419208869344787806302253267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+