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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413732 << o noes i had to draw that out on paper. why u no use more matrixen☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 21:31:02; phf: mod6: (let ((things ())) (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value)) (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)
asciilifeform: 1) paste into emacs 2) indent-region 3) profit!111!!!
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0ABG496.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mW64Jd )
shinohai: BingoBoingo: "I felt the crushing weight of one of the beasts" <<< can u make this up?
BingoBoingo: I dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00056759 = 43.7328 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Afraid she was going to die, as if obesity and diabetes are the *least* of her worries.
asciilifeform: punkman et al: why the FUCK is it necessary to standardize the curve at all ?????
mircea_popescu: shinohai odds are, he did.
asciilifeform: (if lottery-selected curve is, notionally, ok, then so is a per-key curve!)
BingoBoingo: Honestly at this point I forget what I've written where and what I haven't
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh. stop being unpatriotic.
asciilifeform: aaaaaaand wait for it wait for it...
asciilifeform: wait till they get to the part with 'entropy spreading'.
asciilifeform: because this is a thing, aha.
mircea_popescu: the logic of whinening.
asciilifeform: blackening.
mircea_popescu: it's not racist, for being stupid.
asciilifeform: these folks aren't even american.
asciilifeform: nobody's making them do this, omfg1111.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the bulgarian emperor is not even byzantine!!! nobody's forcing him to be retarded!!11
BingoBoingo: UPDATED http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/
assbot: KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyRF3 )
mircea_popescu: agaga classicoin
BingoBoingo: Blocks 399753 and 399735
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 399775 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 1408 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 1086039949.57
jurov: mod6: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev
assbot: BTC-dev New post ... ( http://bit.ly/20TVMGQ )
jurov: punkman: ^
jurov: but it's alpha, won't be surprised it if fails badly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00057558 = 46.5644 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: in somewhat other lulz, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-24.log.html#t01:07:04
assbot: #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-02-24 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QenLiT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106800 @ 0.00056572 = 60.4189 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: jurov: very spiffy
asciilifeform: will test.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13779 @ 0.00057328 = 7.8992 BTC [+]
jurov: "whitening is racist!!!" lmao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30431 @ 0.00056602 = 17.2246 BTC [-] {2}
phf: asciilifeform: 1) paste into emacs 2) indent-region 3) profit!111!!! << won't add newlines for you though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36028 @ 0.00056443 = 20.3353 BTC [-]
jurov: !up anondran
jurov: grr
jurov: !up anondran
jurov: !up alphonse23_
phf: but you can pretty print it with a real lisp
phf: (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable))
phf: (*print-pprint-dispatch* (copy-pprint-dispatch))
phf: (*print-case* :downcase))
phf: (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\f (lambda (stream subchar arg) '|#f|))
phf: (set-pprint-dispatch '(member |#f|) (lambda (stream object)
phf: (princ "#f" stream)))
phf: (pprint (read-from-string "(let ((things ()))
phf: (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value
phf: (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value))
phf: (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)")))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65169 @ 0.00056443 = 36.7833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88474 @ 0.00056443 = 49.9374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63527 @ 0.00056382 = 35.8178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00057328 = 32.1037 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up changenie
mircea_popescu: omfg assbot!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00057444 = 8.674 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up changenie
mircea_popescu: aaand archive.is changed ip. for shame. anyone willing to run a b-a fork of the thing ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/archive.is << half the world sees it as 46.17.100.191, the rest sees it as 37.97.156.202
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtKMbT )
mircea_popescu: neither of which happen to match the 185.92.220.64 it was answering from merely five minutes ago.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe they just really are out to get you?
mircea_popescu: possibru. what do you see ?
phf: i have some lisp code to do what archive.is does from back when i was reading everything from kindle, but it'll take a few weeks for me to get it into a running service state..
danielpbarron: i also noticed their ip was weird after i pasted your /etc/hosts list into my own and it stopped working the other day
mircea_popescu: phf i am pretty sure the code's published
phf: oh then it's for somebody else to fuck around with
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron was it earlier ? i actually just loaded a page, worked fine, minutes later bupkiss
BingoBoingo: 46.17.100.191
danielpbarron: the main page would load, but when i tried to archive something that's where it would go to a new ip
mircea_popescu: us & china version
phf: person: Shevchenko Andrey address: Tussen de Bogen 6, 1013 JB Amsterdam, The Netherlands , hehe just the kind of person to run a service like that..
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbJP4xmW8AAs91O.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0fVKQ )
mircea_popescu: phf oh, you know him ?
phf: no, i know a few russian living in netherlands, and they all fall under kind of a similar stereotype
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: in other news, either the code vanished or i;m just delusional, but can't seem to locate it
mircea_popescu: anyway, this would be very good synnergy with deedbot, because not only can pages be saved, but sha512sums of the pages can be deeded.
mircea_popescu: now i gotta fish out the guy's email and perhaps see if he'd be willing to share ?
phf: i think ben_vulpes has been working on his own take on the service? i remember there was some noise last time question came up. anyone attempting will fast realize that it's a pita.
mircea_popescu: "The archive runs Apache Hadoop and Apache Accumulo. All data is stored on HDFS" what's the esteemed peerage think ? should be rewritten ? worth reusing ?
mircea_popescu: it is undeniably a pita.
mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance.
phf: above is entirely java stack, and the quoted parts only talk about storage aspect. (accumulo is layer on top of hadoop's hdfs)
mircea_popescu: aha.
phf: http://blog.archive.is/post/47337613342/is-it-possible-to-get-the-source-code-of-this
assbot: Archive.is blog — Is it possible to get the source code of this... ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0gnZN )
phf: "can't have our thing, but here's a link to a chrome extension that does nothing like what we do. run along now"
mircea_popescu: 2013 tho
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/V8WMer.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0gvbH )
mircea_popescu: phf it ~would~ be a pretty decent showcase of lisp, i'll readily grant that.
mircea_popescu: also comes with built-in revenue model, "be in the L or else pay this much dust".
phf: we can add archive/logs/patches to a single lisp project, call it assetbook and we won't need any other internet anymore
mircea_popescu: will require that ancient "assbot bitcoin wallets" thing be dusted off, but hey, unavoidable anyway
mircea_popescu: strategically i'd rather have it a set of interoperating parts than a single monster monolith.
mircea_popescu: !up laura_
mircea_popescu: in other middle east news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a6235c67be129821c3a7dfef41aace0f/tumblr_nk51imqyF31s7p60po1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0gQuU )
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/IxnAsr.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0hfgP )
mircea_popescu: i lost interest once it went "Vagina" instead of "cunt"
mircea_popescu: lol nb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00056375 = 24.8614 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't archive.is the fella who hosted the original unlucky dulap ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: then why was my hostname something.archive.is .
mircea_popescu: well i suppose technically all russians are the same dude, but even so.
mircea_popescu: iirc we used the same dc in odessa.
BingoBoingo: http://www.humansofstraya.com/tagged/cockblock
assbot: Humans of Straya ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDktpG )
asciilifeform: ah.
mircea_popescu: and the server wasn't new, so prolly got his warm bed or something.
asciilifeform: that would explain.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i read 4 words of this and barfed.
asciilifeform: can haz the gangrene back plox.
mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo might be bullying us.
BingoBoingo: Nah, I'm bullying the FBI log readers
mircea_popescu: but the thing IS fascinating. noticed it on okcupid back in the day, a small but present chunk of derps actually used group photos consisting of HOTTER WOMEN
mircea_popescu: i mean, leaving aside the inanity of posing with one's mother, this may be the most insane thing ever.
mod6: jurov: nice work!
mod6: i'll test that out tomorrow when i get a sec.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, none of those 4 derps is fuckable. the tall blonde has the typical ustard chin, miserable fucking feature. the jew is short and jewish. the fat one obv and the midwestern "undiscovered beauty" is benning-level psychotic)
asciilifeform: ftr, they all look exactly the same to me.
asciilifeform: like the 2 camels earlier.
mircea_popescu: fucking disjointed smile with defocused eyes omfg medicate her.
mircea_popescu: camels were seen FROM BEHIND
asciilifeform: they have ~literally~ the same face.
mircea_popescu: omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated.
phf: past first paragraph is bogus, fat girls don't act like that in clubs, that's just an overactive imagination. what they actually do is pick up leftovers, or particularly drunk guys who were attracted by the group. it's literally a scavenger strategy, and being obnoxious will ensure that the girl is never again invited with her hotter friends. (they want to get fucked too, jeez)
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: kinda.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44950 @ 0.00056375 = 25.3406 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: phf actually that scavenger strategy is the larger part of why humans are still around.
mircea_popescu: women pick up the drunks and men pick up what the lions left off, whenever they could chase the hyenas away.
mircea_popescu: we're a scavenger species.
mod6: qq: Can something be developed to help these guys with the corrupted databases when they get a hard-reboot?perhaps something similar to cutblock that will say lopp off the last blk####.dat file or something? is this worth looking into?
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is, but big chunk and scheduled for after this scheme thing is better digested.
mircea_popescu: at least in my fuzzmind.
asciilifeform: 'after the burial parties leave, and the baffled crows have fled, the wise hyenas come out at eve, to take account of our dead' (tm) (r) (kipling)
phf: i'm not at all hating, it's more of a "a plague on both your houses" reaction
mod6: mircea_popescu: awesome. yeah, i agree we should do something there. that's super annoying that it happened to these guys.
asciilifeform: mod6: the only possible solution is a journalling fs.
asciilifeform: bitcoinfs.
mircea_popescu: that's not necessarily a solution.
asciilifeform: (ideally, running on top of a raid card with battery packs, like i have here)
mircea_popescu: for one thing, linux managed to implement journaling in such a way it barely works
mod6: ok, so that's a possible whole replacement piece, sure. was just thinking is it worth possibly making a temporary tool for this until bitcoinfs? or just wait and do bitcoinfs.
mod6: food for thought perhaps.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's definitely possible ; ideally it'd come after a proper data model for the data.
asciilifeform: mod6: would have to replace bdb.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you'll end up with "need driven" data modelling, and god help you.
mod6: aha. ok.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bdb should be taken out ftr.
mircea_popescu: iirc there's consensus on that matter.
asciilifeform: there is no possible dispute that it must die.
asciilifeform: only question is in ~what order~ the deps must go
mod6: i'll have to go back and re-read some of our previous threads on the topics.
BingoBoingo: Is this more to alf taste? http://www.humansofstraya.com/post/128774013198/good-morning-welcome-to-umptos-my-name-is#notes
assbot: Humans of Straya — Good morning welcome to Umptos, my name is... ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0ikW0 )
asciilifeform: openssl, bdb, boost ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope.
asciilifeform: orc variant of same.
mircea_popescu: heh. what a tryptich
mod6: i learn so many good words here.
phf: oh it's that chick that got sussman to sell his chips
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
BingoBoingo: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1V56XN3.txt )
mod6: i didn't know that's what you called those works of art.
mircea_popescu: >D
mod6: phf, asciilifeform: so you know whats weird?
mod6: so in "foo.scm" i have defined a "square" procedure, but in (oblist), among everything else, its listed as: (square char-ci>=? cddddr expt)
mod6: lol, no idea how that correlates yet, but that is indeed the actual stored defintion no?
phf: mod6: no, i think it's a side effect of the way oblist is constructed
mod6: oh
phf: probably some kind of tree structure for fast lookup
mod6: alright. i was thinking with using scheme (like I was saying lastnight), we'll have to build some pretty extensive libs of procs of our own. which is probably better anyway... but, it'd be cool if this thing would tell you what you've already defined.
mod6: or do we need to write a proc for that too?
asciilifeform: the thing is quite bare bones, and will need heavy work.
asciilifeform: and i picked this kind of scheme deliberately.
asciilifeform: would you rather read 50,000 lines of mit crapolade ?
phf: mod6: i have an OP for symbol-value, on top of which you can build a pretty decent "apropos"
mod6: im actually glad for that. and personally, I don't even want to look at any other lisp really because other lisps seem to have a bunch more built-in functions that we'll basically not use.
asciilifeform: aha.
mod6: phf: ah neat
asciilifeform: the word for what we want is - orthogonality.
mircea_popescu: ahh this insurection is coming along nicely.
mircea_popescu predicts that by the time he's dead, b-a will be bigger than fucking france.
asciilifeform: eh to be fair france is pretty small now and getting smaller
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm a modest man.
asciilifeform: will be pocket-sized soon
mircea_popescu: also, what do i care of the living. will go to the great prison in the sky, all the people there'll be impressed enough. "bigger than france ?! pasol nahui!"
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: hehe
asciilifeform: put in latin letters it reads almost... aztec?!
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: the jaguar altar pyramid of pasol nahui.
mircea_popescu: pretty good.
mod6: hah.
BingoBoingo: One last bullying before I bully Zygna http://www.humansofstraya.com/tagged/Angela-Flack
assbot: Humans of Straya ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDmFxd )
mod6: She asked me if "snarffed" was a technical term, now I can point at this:
mod6: Snarf: ``To grab, especially a large document or file for the purpose of using it either with or without the owner's permission.'' Snarf down: ``To snarf, sometimes with the connotation of absorbing, processing, or understanding.'' (These definitions were snarfed from Steele et al. 1983. See also Raymond 1993.)
mod6: win
asciilifeform: one day i would like to learn how esr stole 'hacker's dictionary'
mircea_popescu: get a copy, put it online.\
mircea_popescu: what else ?
asciilifeform: but i suspect that the story is not meaningfully different from how drepper stole libc
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno, he became 'official' curator, and added a multitude of crackpot entries from own head
BingoBoingo: ESR stole it by putting it on just just in time for Google to be birthed
mircea_popescu: "official"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he published it in dead tree
mircea_popescu: getouttahere.
asciilifeform: i have this edition here, even.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: this incidentally is how that dude stole lisp
asciilifeform: so not much.
mircea_popescu: what's his face.
mircea_popescu: "published the book first"
mod6: I think they used to teach this SICP directly as the first programming class at UofM - used it as a weed-out course.
mod6: friend of mine only ever talked about "cons-boxes" for about 2 months.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: l0l! did they also talk for months about magnetic field lines after taking intro physics /
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: would make as much sense.
mod6: haha. probably.
mod6: shit that was seventeen years ago.
mod6: ermahgerd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00056776 = 33.8385 BTC [+] {4}
danielpbarron: >> I told him that a child in Africa dies every 3 seconds. He was surprised at that. He said "I know black people have rhythm, but that is some amazing timing, you guys should try out for X-Factor".
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
danielpbarron: deedbot- feeds add http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
assbot: Brave The World ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDnVjY )
mod6: is that going to drop every tweet into a deed?
danielpbarron: it's a blog
danielpbarron: deedbot-: feeds add http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
assbot: Brave The World ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDnVjY )
mod6: oh nm, ya, blog.
mod6: thought that was her twitter feed haha
danielpbarron: hm.. idk why that won't work. that's how trinque added all the others
mod6: maybe he whitelists 'em?
danielpbarron: deedbot-: feeds add http://bravetheworld.com/feed/atom/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0k6WY )
danielpbarron: ;;later tell trinque please to add this feed ^^ I think it only works for you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: is there such a thing as adhd in china? if a kid just wont do stuff or doesn't pay attention they just hit you with a stick no?
mod6: or wherever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76750 @ 0.00056924 = 43.6892 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nah, Tiger mom makes sure the kid develops the asps instead
deedbot-: [Qntra] Hemorrhaging Zygna Seeks Bezzle Buck Bolus From HQ Sale - http://qntra.net/2016/02/hemorrhaging-zygna-seeks-bezzle-buck-bolus-from-hq-sale/
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron im pretty sure it only takes that command from him ; also prolly best give her some time to get better wot-integrated - the few times we let marginals in the feed it worked out poorly in the end.
mircea_popescu: o look, sept 2015 item by... amir taaki ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00057495 = 5.4528 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: hm, ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30258 @ 0.00057627 = 17.4368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00057581 = 7.8886 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Don’t jump (here)! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/24/dont-jump-here/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00057627 = 6.8576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23862 @ 0.00057581 = 13.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4387 @ 0.00056866 = 2.4947 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00255 / 0.00260887 / 0.00263877 (793 shares, 2.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00253517 / 0.00260789 / 0.0027 (4318 shares, 11.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00277034 / 0.00332476 (10650 shares, 29.50 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107600 @ 0.00056696 = 61.0049 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00056983 = 8.4335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00056983 = 14.6446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00056983 = 4.7581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00056983 = 11.9664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00057251 = 16.0303 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb6z4oHUYAQjOgT.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYGD3Z )
punkman: god morgen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00057634 = 11.0657 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb67R5zUUAA0Wkn.png:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/24oDZfm )
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punkman: "mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance. << archive.is (as a browsing tool) seems useless without javascript, might as well render the page in lynx/dilla/modern browser with js disabled.
punkman: the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc.
punkman: and the guy doesn't seem keen to publish any of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00057005 = 10.4319 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: (sidenote for anyone looking at phantomjs: it sucks balls and uses QtWebkit, and QtWebkit is kinda deprecated because Qt moved to QtWebEngine which uses chromium)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41392 @ 0.00057461 = 23.7843 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00057674 = 5.0753 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00057675 = 15.8606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30888 @ 0.00057696 = 17.8211 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00057716 = 10.0137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00057716 = 22.6535 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/no-patent-if-invention-lies-only-in-computer-programme-says-indian-patent-office-116022200875_1.html
assbot: No patent if invention lies only in computer program, says Indian Patent Office | Business Standard News ... ( http://bit.ly/24oJOJT )
punkman: in other boston dynamics news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY
assbot: Atlas, The Next Generation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/24oK2AA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00057249 = 16.0297 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: late delivery of BFL lulz: "At one point, an FTC attorney carried into court a foam pitchfork that was stamped with the phrases “Y U NO SHIP!” and “BFL is late!” The agency said the pitchfork and similar foam torches were found at Butterfly Labs and mocked its customers’ complaints."
punkman: "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services, gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”"
punkman: (from http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article2236696.html and http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article62022452.html )
assbot: FTC moved quietly against Butterfly Labs to avoid tipping off bitcoin operation | The Kansas City Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1mX5N8I )
assbot: Bitcoin business Butterfly Labs, shut down as ‘bogus,’ settles charges for $15,000 | The Kansas City Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1mX5N8K )
punkman: "We went to court without notifying the other party … because we were concerned about a dissipation of assets,” said Malini Mithal, assistant director of the FTC’s division of financial practices. “We were worried about seeing corporate funds go to Nordstrom, Bed Bath & Beyond, gun stores and things like that."
punkman: in other mining news https://www.bw.com/news/show-65
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla could we has deeds.bitcoin-assets.com added ? assigned to deedbot.org
mircea_popescu checks, the thing already exists. o ty kako for your godspeed!
mircea_popescu: punkman well, the cool part depending for whom doing what. i have no objection, all that sugar&spice is nice to have, but i don't think it mandatory, myself. the main utility is creating a copy of a resource (as in url) that is outside of the control of its original author. i'm more than happy if that is provided in the first place and the rest of the swag on a best-effort basis.
mircea_popescu: Malini Mithal << at first sight one thinks what the indian supreme court thinks about patents is irrelevant to the us. at second sight one tries to recall a usg lawyer that's not indian and chuckles to himself.
punkman: https://www.bitbank.com/storage/detail/btc (from BW group)
assbot: Bitbank-比特币理财首选 ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6rfqf )
mircea_popescu: 160W/Thash ?
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 1068963881.57
mircea_popescu: mwahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 160 * 1068
gribble: 170880
mircea_popescu: 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips.
punkman: it's not 1068 terrahash
mircea_popescu: wasn't it given in mh ?
punkman: 1068 petahash
mircea_popescu: aww.
punkman: also saw a mention of antminer at 250w for around 4 terrahash
punkman: bitbet suggestion: 2exahash by February 2017
mircea_popescu: warm summer.
mircea_popescu: you can make it ya kno.
punkman: might do
punkman: or is 2exa too low?
mircea_popescu: i think 1 year may be too long. maybe go by 3 months sorta thing
mircea_popescu: or "by reward halving" or somesuch
punkman: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 13:26:42 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057656 = 5.4197 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: the halving complicates things
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8HYYdVIAEujZ8.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6sVjG )
mircea_popescu: lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy.
mircea_popescu: sorta like poles in the 90s and cars.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3409 @ 0.00056991 = 1.9428 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5684 << that's a new one.
assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 36.26 B (51%) on Yes, 34.65 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 6 days | weight: 52`229 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmRd5m )
mircea_popescu: really, ibm cheated with deep blue ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414068 << i did warn! that the thing is a point of failure☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 08:55:55; punkman: the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc.
asciilifeform: author is not in wot, who knows if there are backups - and where, etc
asciilifeform: btw if replacement includes deedbot, it cannot be publicly operable or gets ddosed and depleted.
asciilifeform: (picture a public www that spends coin when you load it!)
mircea_popescu: how would replacement "include deedbot" ?
asciilifeform: this hypothetical replacement may be one of those thngs, like the tmsr warez server, that must live behind 'g' or the like.
mircea_popescu: but what do you mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody suggested earlier that it ought to deedbot cached pages
mircea_popescu: i did.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: but mebbe you overlooked the part where to initiate a caching, one has to either be in the L or pay.
asciilifeform: but ~how~ this works?
mircea_popescu: by having [hopefully as an extension of assbot] a payment interface in chan.
mircea_popescu: then whoever wants to be paid goes !bill asciilifeform 10.56546 "had a nice time last night honey"
asciilifeform: neato, ought to work at least until the fleanodeocalypse.
mircea_popescu: and whoever wants to pay goes !pay mircea_popescu bill or !pay mircea_popescu 7.5555 "not bad but not really worth 10fiddy, ho!"
mircea_popescu: and of course !bills returns you a list of stored bills.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00056887 = 3.6977 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and more details, but anyways.
asciilifeform: i would also suggest that L folks be able to download compressed shitball of backup.
mircea_popescu: surely.
mircea_popescu: keyed to their key.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of "problems" are really non-problems once tmsr principles are applied.
asciilifeform: quite!
mircea_popescu: to think imbecile anglos spent 50 years in "computing" huddling walls and trying to be all flower-power.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin should have been implemented as a solution to pdp timesharing problems.
asciilifeform: perhaps unrelatedly, yesterday i saw such egregious notational abuse (at big maths conference) that i felt my mircea_popescu fangs emerging, and wolf ears
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: suddenly it all made sense
mircea_popescu: i'm like lead. every fancy radioactive compound eventually decays into me.
asciilifeform: i dreamed of confining the perpetrators somehow and depriving'em of all squigglies and arrows
asciilifeform: they really did use notation to mask the often nonexisting point of the message.
mircea_popescu: allthetime.gif
asciilifeform: but to me this is an argument for taking tools away from derps
asciilifeform: rather than sending ~all~ to the stone age.
asciilifeform: hence why i bring it up now.
mircea_popescu: first off - separate what is tool and what is caduceus.
mircea_popescu: THEN, take tools away from derps and caducei away from everyone.
asciilifeform: yes!
mircea_popescu: and absent a better idea, my concept that you can't possibily have more than 255-27-10 actual tools seems quite meritous.
mircea_popescu: just how fucking many tools are there.
asciilifeform: again, where do i find matrix bracket in the 255
mircea_popescu: map it whatever way you will.
mircea_popescu: all i care about is that there's a specified maximum DEFINITIVE count of symbols,
asciilifeform: or subscript/superscript
mircea_popescu: i'd prefer it be a word, but can live with dword. i CAN NOT live with "extensible symbol space".
mircea_popescu: and i don't think you're that smart, either.
asciilifeform: the problem with the derps is NOT that they make up new symbols.
mircea_popescu: yesitis.
asciilifeform: well sometimes
mircea_popescu: this is the DEFINITION of derpage. to quote from relevant article :
asciilifeform: but i saw none that day
asciilifeform: most are too lazy
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/#selection-99.0-99.995
assbot: Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFP3t1 )
asciilifeform: the problem is abuse of symbols to hide claptrap behind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00057529 = 26.6359 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: original topic is romanian "grammar scholars" who aren't fit to shine boots, and completely ignore anything whatsoever in the discipline in favour of doing some inanity.
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'pomos' manage this with strictly latin alphabet !
mircea_popescu: but the point stands : derpage is when you come up with new symbols or "new" readings (ie, wrong readings) of pre-existing symbols.
mircea_popescu: that is what it is.
mircea_popescu: and fucking note that medicine used WORDS to denote its array of datapoints. not fucking hieroglyphics.
asciilifeform: they mostly do the latter.
asciilifeform: new readings.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: necessarily, it's cheaper.
mircea_popescu: but you're right, pomos do use the medical style (in no small part due to the original idiots', lacan et all, vague fascination with that particular citadel forbidden to them by their own ineptitude -
asciilifeform: but my point is, they don't necessarily need to take a shit on graphical symbols, when they lack these, they shit on words.
asciilifeform: it is the shit-spreaders that is the problem. not he victim symbols.
mircea_popescu: their equivalents in a previous century were using the "magic stones" to read "reformed egyptian". and there is EXACTLY no difference between john smith the mormon and lacan the postmodernist. they're EXACTLY the same "ideal american"
asciilifeform: *the
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: lulzily very few were americans
mircea_popescu: nevertheless. i need unextensible symbol set for very good reason : you can't have static compilation without it.
mircea_popescu: you understand ? all european literacy is based on the concept of fixed forever symbols, so printing press may exist.
asciilifeform: mostly foreign folk faithfully emulating american custom
asciilifeform: like preet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, THEY were the americans. everyone else's just scum the wind blew in./
mircea_popescu: america is a country of john smith and carnegey and marx and lacan.
mircea_popescu: preet is the american, obama is the american. not fucking kerry.
asciilifeform: marx?!
mircea_popescu: kerry is just some derp lost in there.
mircea_popescu: yeah, marx.
asciilifeform: how does this work
mircea_popescu: just like lenin is the definitive soviet tho he didn't actually live there significantly, marx is the definitive american, tho he didn't even speak the "official" language. he spoke german, the unofficial one.
asciilifeform: sorta like wagner is ~the~ nazi composer
asciilifeform: .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> how does this work << because what is your definition of nationality ? byron is french, definitely.
asciilifeform: what am i then, l0l
mircea_popescu: you're not dead yet,
mircea_popescu: that's what you are.
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: gotta croak before can haz nationality?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: before that, you're just aspiring. what nationality you're aspiring to be entirely your problem,
mircea_popescu: but the people dead on the battlements are dead for the dead, not dead for the living.
mircea_popescu: who the everfuck cares abvout the fucking living.
mircea_popescu: you can make more of those RIGHT NOW
asciilifeform: aha! go and try to make an ancient greek !
mircea_popescu: go, make some dead worth the mention. if california fell into the sea today, what'd be remembered ?
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: the "horrible" wtc attack, who did it kill ?
mircea_popescu: NOBODY ?
asciilifeform: afaik.
mircea_popescu: an empty country.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414084 << interestingly, no first reaction was 'ugh, idiot lumpen scum, blew loot at retail!?'☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 11:09:02; punkman: "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services, gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”"
asciilifeform: *my first reaction
mircea_popescu: very typical "real men" sorta operation.
asciilifeform: revolting.
asciilifeform: what happened to good old btc plunder.
mircea_popescu: kinda what drove the entire giuliani revolt, briefly backj when the us still thought it may turn around.
mircea_popescu: you deeply disunderstand the mob. it has no higher purpose. it's just people trying to find an alt-path to consumerism.
asciilifeform: massages?!
mircea_popescu: "what else can a guy like me without college do"
asciilifeform: day care?!
mircea_popescu: well ? why not ?
mircea_popescu: unlike the vory, they can get married. and so they do.
asciilifeform: mindblowing
mircea_popescu: like the vory, they don't know how to pick women. and so they don't.
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform: i always saw the mob as a very positive, higherpurpose thing, in the strict sense of keeping lizards out of a small but strong bubble of sovereignty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00057553 = 10.9926 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: where the mob is - motherfucking rothchild, and harvard, are not
mircea_popescu: kik
asciilifeform: i take off my hat to anyone who can muzzle a rothchild .
asciilifeform: or exclude harvardistas
mircea_popescu: i can't think of a time this was the case, in either the old country or the america.
asciilifeform: 40s?
mircea_popescu: generally, mobster's hope and aspiration is for kids to join whatever $harvard locally and become "accepted by society"
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right, and this is a disease suffered by nearly all orcs.
mircea_popescu: it really is, and throughout its ~4 century history started sometime during attempts to liquidate the strong feudalism leftover in sicily and other march lands, always was an "alt-path to bourgeoisie"
asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents
asciilifeform: because did not become 'respectable' (tm)
mircea_popescu: ha.
asciilifeform: it is a very peculiarly orcish-emigre disease.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414102 << ya think mining is countereconomic and leans usgtronically ~now~ ! wait till reward is epsilon.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 11:47:29; mircea_popescu: 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips.
asciilifeform: miningisabug.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056833 = 27.6493 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414119 << luke-jr is in chna?!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 12:00:46; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8HYYdVIAEujZ8.jpg:large
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414121 << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 12:02:18; mircea_popescu: lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414126 << this is a very common view, on account of that ibm is known to have adjusted the proggy between games,and had a staff of chess-literate folk fiddling with it.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 12:47:11; mircea_popescu: really, ibm cheated with deep blue ?
asciilifeform: so the proggy was not a frozen thing
asciilifeform: but arguably had meat component.
asciilifeform: this pissed off kasparov, yes.
asciilifeform: (i often wonder if his loss helped to drive him into the nato meatpuppetry for which he is now famous in ru world)
asciilifeform: fortunately, there is very little meat can do for the go prog
asciilifeform: (massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35595 @ 0.00057654 = 20.5219 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: go does not 'crowdsource'. demonstrably.
asciilifeform: one of the many reasons i see it as a noble game.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414040 << zynga☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 05:19:12; deedbot-: [Qntra] Hemorrhaging Zygna Seeks Bezzle Buck Bolus From HQ Sale - http://qntra.net/2016/02/hemorrhaging-zygna-seeks-bezzle-buck-bolus-from-hq-sale/
asciilifeform: this is disgraceful.
asciilifeform bbl.
jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28216 @ 0.000572 = 16.1396 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: i doubt it is possible to run service like archive.is on trb debt, i tried to imagine it.. needs both bandwidth and ongoing maintenance (cuz gotta keep up with webdev shit)
jurov: oh it's supposed to get paid via assbot. aok.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57497 @ 0.00056834 = 32.6778 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00056833 = 29.269 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101167 @ 0.0005668 = 57.3415 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00056919 = 11.9814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33836 @ 0.00056704 = 19.1864 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414290 << same is true of my www.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:04:42; jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
punkman: can you put multiple IPs in etc/hosts so it round-robins?
asciilifeform: apparently not
asciilifeform: seems like you end up having to run own dns server, to do this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00057262 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: because the WHOLE THING is braindamaged
asciilifeform: not just the one particular aspect mircea_popescu locked onto
asciilifeform: hosts file will stop at the first match.
asciilifeform: at least on my boxes.
punkman: any tiny dns resolvers one could use for this?
punkman: http://dnsmasq.org/ maybe
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OuP6aR )
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: but this no longer solves the problem mircea_popescuistically.
asciilifeform: (that is, by thermonuking ALL dns invocations)
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: dead here.
jurov: here, too
asciilifeform: dead from all of my modems.
jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
asciilifeform: jurov: every day ?
jurov: every day!!!11
asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
asciilifeform: because we're at the stage where we beat her up, and expelled the madwoman, but now still have no pipes.
asciilifeform: and stuck carrying buckets.
asciilifeform: and the buckets - leak.
asciilifeform: and it is not clear that the carpet is any dryer than before.
asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262535 .☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 14:42:04; asciilifeform: usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm)
asciilifeform: in unrelated,
asciilifeform: http://shoup.net/ntb/ntb-v2.pdf
asciilifeform: 'A Computational Introduction to Number Theory
asciilifeform: and Algebra' (V. Shoup)
asciilifeform: of cramer-shoup.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00057263 = 2.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00056411 = 17.9105 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: asciilifeform | dead from all of my modems. << here, worx
asciilifeform: trinque: and now here.
asciilifeform: i suppose they had to take an hour off to change the nsa tap.
asciilifeform: (do they still write to magnetic wire cassette?!)
asciilifeform: i demand a MODERN nsa tap !1111 on my line!
asciilifeform: what is this crapolade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00056388 = 17.9032 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up thestringpuller
jurov: you post ub3rs3cr3t stuff to trilema?
jurov: to warrant antifuse rom wiretap?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00056592 = 13.8084 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/082Q624.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcnPiK )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: jurov: i have nfi, but it is insulting to sit on a medieval stake while others sizzle in spiffy modern electric chairs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.0005729 = 19.1349 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33775 @ 0.00057561 = 19.4412 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00057727 = 21.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00057689 = 11.3503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.0005756 = 33.7877 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? << Probable in the second Kasparov match, the one Blue won
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8908 @ 0.00057561 = 5.1275 BTC [+]
punkman: http://dapps.ethercasts.com/ lol
assbot: State of the Dapps ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnODMn )
asciilifeform: http://kyc-chain.com << from punkman's link
assbot: KYC-Chain | Enhanced KYC on Blockchain Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnP3Cr )
asciilifeform: mega-l0l
asciilifeform: http://proofofindividuality.tk << 'anti-sybil token' >> link leads to linkfarm/malware.
assbot: proofofindividuality.tk ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnPdcQ )
punkman: such innovations
asciilifeform: i can sit here and laugh, but it remains, buterin is rich, while i am poor.
asciilifeform: crime - pays.
asciilifeform: (and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.)
trinque: and he will die at the end like every other person
asciilifeform: everything dies.
asciilifeform: this is uninteresting.
trinque: it's entirely relevant
asciilifeform: how?
trinque: one moment, phone has rung
asciilifeform: buddhist-flavoured claptrap doesn't work on me, don't even try.
asciilifeform: 'never mind that someone is shoving hot coals up your arse, just remember, everybody dies someday!11'
asciilifeform: 'why fight hitler, krishna will judge him'
asciilifeform: fuck that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00057358 = 26.0979 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: with hot poker.
trinque: not that at all.
trinque: on his deathbed he has to be him; you have to be you
trinque: who gives a shit what he had in his life?
asciilifeform: still claptrap.
trinque: so, suffer.
trinque: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48893 @ 0.00056908 = 27.824 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: at least it doesn't cost anything yet!
punkman: doesn't it cost 90% of salary?
asciilifeform: punkman: 200%.
asciilifeform: trinque: not entirely unrelatedly, you were, iirc, from oregon ?
trinque: from texas, spent a good amount of time in oregon
asciilifeform: i met a man yesterday who now lives there, and hates it, 'rains all the time, like this' (points outside at swamp)
asciilifeform: ah
trinque: when its sunny there, (what, 3-4mos/yr?) it's lovely
trinque: otherwise very depressing
asciilifeform: is there fog ? can it substitute for london ?
trinque: can be quite foggy, yes
trinque: meanwhile texas is the surface of the sun for 5-6mos/yr
asciilifeform: but i can hardly picture a more depressing place than dc
asciilifeform: it is almost like the world of the film 'dark city.'
trinque: it at least lacks the feeling of living directly under the eye of sauron
asciilifeform: the eye of sauron is omnipresent.
trinque: actually, there is a rather imposing federal building in downtown Portland
trinque: federal courthouse I think, with a platform atop for human sacrifice, I can only assume
asciilifeform: ever seen the fbi headquarters in dc ?
trinque: haven't
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838576 << thread☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2014 05:33:42; asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/2FIpuIy,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW
asciilifeform: when i think of the word 'totalitarian', i think of that place.
trinque: I can see it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0005756 = 13.3539 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: http://www.boora.com/files/14611232134221Mark-Hatfield-US-Courthouse--Judges-Chambers-East-Elevation.jpg << the portland one looks to my eyes more of "look how much of your money we spent on this wankery"
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um5hPh )
phf: it's like the style for building gov buildings these days, md district court few blocks away http://www.jasoncleckner.com/images/RockvilleDistCt.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1VgkT )
BingoBoingo: St Louis too has the thing where Federal building with werkers is short, squat yet Federal Court has grand tower of oppreshun
asciilifeform: phf: aha, seen that court many times
BingoBoingo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Eagleton_Courthouse.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um5y4H )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414282 << aha. lol.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:49:05; asciilifeform: (massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414291 << and i have no problem listing a bunch of them☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:06:06; jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414311 << dnsmasq works just fine, yes.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:05:09; punkman: http://dnsmasq.org/ maybe
asciilifeform: hm i guess iptables does nothing to loopback (local connections within same machine)
BingoBoingo: lulz of lulz! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can set it to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: set what
mircea_popescu: iptables to mangle loopback.
asciilifeform: nope.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00057561 = 11.3971 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: don';t be silly!
mircea_popescu: -A INPUT -i lo
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mircea_popescu: i guess this bettor lives in palo alto.
asciilifeform: can i block port P on loopback ?
mircea_popescu: should, yes.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414320 << fixed meanwhile ? or still ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:08:40; jurov: here, too
jurov: fixed!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414322 << if you recall, this was actually discussed in teh logs, re "how g works"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:09:41; jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
mircea_popescu: thread with copypaste re proper chan software.
asciilifeform: speaking of g, when does the block cipher contest formally close ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when we've had enough ?
asciilifeform: any signs of life whatsoever ?
mircea_popescu: nope. exactly power law of derpage : buncha noise 1st day, 1/2 noise next, 1/4 noise next, epsilon thereafter.
mircea_popescu: nothing worth the mention throughout.
mircea_popescu: i might as well hold painting contests for a jar of fruit flies.
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
asciilifeform: see also today's pgpgram.
BingoBoingo: In other news today notorious Apple Shill Rush Limbaugh is giving away iPad "Pros" on his radio program.
BingoBoingo: Further other news from the zoo https://archive.is/3abRB
assbot: Bitcoin Core 0.12 full initial sync: results and analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um60zS )
BingoBoingo: "Since these "dead spots" can be attributed neither to hardware nor the network, they must be the result of something sub-optimal in the software."
asciilifeform: 'During the last 10% of the blockchain sync, both the WAIT column of "top" and the furious clicking of disk heads revealed that disk activity was becoming a quite obvious bottleneck, leading to the CPU going idle for longer and longer periods.'
asciilifeform: this is not a prb-specific thing.
asciilifeform: it applies just as well to us.
asciilifeform: it comes from organized shit-tx ddos.
asciilifeform: 'Another curious pattern that emerged during the later stage of the sync process were long delays (4-5 min) during which data was still coming in through the network at a high rate but both disk and CPU were relatively idle and little or no chain updating was occurring. ' << blackhole.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the contest, i can speak only for myself, but i've had enough. wake me up when you've also had enough.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46786 @ 0.00057697 = 26.9941 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ?
mircea_popescu: do i need to enum. the case or are you up to date ?
asciilifeform: i recommend enumming for the record
asciilifeform: !s block cipher
assbot: 76 results for 'block cipher' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=block+cipher
asciilifeform: ^ mostly in there
phf: you get disk thrash or network thrash or both. that graph i posted some time ago shows that nuking orphanage kills disk thrash, but increases network thrash. our step one has so far been removal of disk thrash, i.e. nuke orphanage, nuke mempool. step 2 presumably is nuking network thrash by relying more on trusted peers. that still doesn't solve the problem of talking to net at large
mircea_popescu: phf what is "the net at large" ?
phf: miners, all those people who put bets on bitbet, agora buyers/sellers
mircea_popescu: you don't take my meaning.
mircea_popescu: what is "russians" ? where do i meet them ?
mircea_popescu: if i go to moscow all i see is individual blokes, who is THE RUSSIANS guy ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not buying into the collectivist mindset. there is no "the network at large", "the country", blabla, evnetually for some niggled in special garb to rule over.
asciilifeform: well there is 'the outside of the wot'
asciilifeform: which is presently where blocks come from.
asciilifeform: it is an aggregate, much like 'outer space'
trinque: I can see the counterpoint.
trinque: if you connected to him, he's in your wot
asciilifeform: mno.
trinque: who he connects to is his problem
trinque: maybe you connect to trinque's trans-netherworld sewer system that talks to both sides
asciilifeform: trinque: however you try to dance around the problem, must come to terms with the fact that ~some~ trb nodes must talk to the heathens ~some~ of the time, or NO BLOCKS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the romanian word to denote the relationship between two men fucking the same woman is "sogor"\
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have 'milk brothers'
mircea_popescu: point being, this is the only relation people are usually unaware of.
asciilifeform: (originally 2 ~sucking~ same woman.)
mircea_popescu: so lots of party jokes, "hey man, spot your milk brothers ?"
asciilifeform: not the only relation. i once knew two dudes who discovered that they were sharing a toothbrush for most of a year.
asciilifeform: (they lived in a uni dorm)
mircea_popescu: so there is no "the network". just people you don't know your friends are fucking.
asciilifeform: but it is a mass in the sense of outer space.
mircea_popescu: only afayk
asciilifeform: and in the sense that it largely consists of prb users.
asciilifeform: (as far as i can tell)
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "all americans are poor, everyone i see in grand central station is wearing shitty cloth shoes and a cheap tshirt"
asciilifeform: it is not especially hard to obtain evidence that other kinds exist
asciilifeform: but where is this for nodez ?
mircea_popescu: nodes are a peculiar case.
mircea_popescu: "all american women are blonde because that's what i see on tv anchors"
asciilifeform: so far the only 'alt-trb' for which i have any evidence whatsoever of its existence is mircea_popescu's thing
asciilifeform: this does not prove absence, no
mircea_popescu: no, actually you know for a fact 95% of miners were not running prb back last year, because of the fork thing.
asciilifeform: they were not running ~latest prb~ aha
mircea_popescu: wilful ignoring evidence is problematic you know.
mircea_popescu: mno.
asciilifeform: for all i know they were running prb with ~one line~ patched.
mircea_popescu: for all you know engineering assumptions aren't to be made this way.
asciilifeform: all i can say is that i have nfi. but i have no evidence that anyone other than mircea_popescu and trb folks did any serious re-engineering re: the client.
asciilifeform: (diddling a version number is not reengineering, nor the der encoding thing)
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but this really wasn't the thesis. you do know that ~nobody is running prb, and this has been in ample evidence historically throughout.
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, they are running very lightly-modified old prb.
mircea_popescu: if you're particularly inclined to act as a propaganda agent for prb, you may make that wholly unsubstantiated, ridiculous claim.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's your priviledge to do so.
asciilifeform: (am i terminologically addled, or do i misunderstand what is prb)
mircea_popescu: hey, we also "cant prove" putin fucks obama in the ass.
asciilifeform: is 0.5.3 prb ?
asciilifeform: when does prb begin ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork.
asciilifeform: then i take it back, and mircea_popescu has it
asciilifeform: no miner, afaik, used prb.
asciilifeform: (i've been using the term to refer to all heathen bitcoin clients, at least those descended from s's original)
mircea_popescu: kinda what i've been saying. it makes little sense to call say, original bitcoin as per satoshi release prb.
mircea_popescu: also makes little sense to use the term re bitcoinj, whatever its shortcomings.
asciilifeform: items such as keeping bastard blocks/tx around don't count as 'rangery' ?
mircea_popescu: well no, not all error/failure/stupidity is THIS PARTICULAR one.
asciilifeform: not automatically, aha
asciilifeform: but it always seemed to me like many of the prb idiocies really ~were~ in keeping with satoshi's idiocy.
asciilifeform: the continuing support for winblows, for example.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, man. if a guy makes a shitty camp during indian assault, it's one thing.
mircea_popescu: if folks in the settled territory keep on living there, not even put up a fucking log barn ?
mircea_popescu: another thing.
mircea_popescu: can't call both "fucking gypos".
asciilifeform: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: the lone ranger gets a lot of excuses later fellows do not.
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BingoBoingo: ^ lulz
asciilifeform: 'From the record, it appears the only information passed on to law enforcement about the defendant was his IP address. There is nothing presented by the defense, other than rank speculation, that anything more was obtained by SEI and provided to law enforcement to identify the defendant.'
asciilifeform: lying is a sport to these folks, isnnit.
phf: i can't figure out if "there's no network at large" is a semantic point or a technical one. or is the claim that a semantic point makes technical conversation irrelevant?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414112 << 4-5 exahash seems like a more plausible 12 month estimate.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 11:50:53; punkman: or is 2exa too low?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not a sport, a game.
pete_dushenski: exaguess is based on gut, which is about 75% accurate in such matters to date.
BingoBoingo: Sports have fans
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asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/judge-confirms-what-many-suspected-feds-hired-cmu-to-break-tor << l0lzies
assbot: Judge confirms what many suspected: Feds hired CMU to break Tor | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1TzwvRD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35294 @ 0.00056968 = 20.1063 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ^ interesting for the 'paper shredder precedent' cited
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414263 << just past tense ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:37:41; asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:43:25; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414121 << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now.
pete_dushenski: "keeps water VERY cold" advocate tells me.
pete_dushenski: as if ice is wunderwaffen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111550 @ 0.00056654 = 63.1975 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: phf let's start simple tho. you used the symbol, "network at large". define it.
phf: well, it's a technical capability, like roads or email. bitcoin is hosted on a subtrate of tcpip, question is can a b-a node accept packets that come from outside the wot and on what terms.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414325 << http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-347.0-359.40☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:10:30; asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RoapzD )
mircea_popescu: phf is your definition of "network at large" as "all those ips that are not connected to a node connected to someone in l2" ?
mircea_popescu: or what, 2 degrees of separation ? 4 ?
phf: all those ips that are not l1 or l2
mircea_popescu: why is this partition meaningful ?
phf: l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc.
mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
mircea_popescu: ie, you become an unpriviledged creditor of theirs, and that's that. if they go bankrupt in a decade, you lose the house.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, happens here. ALL THE TIME.
phf: a gossip solution is to hermetically seal the network, but some nodes presumably still need to talk to elsewhere, i.e. not l1 or l2, those are the ones that still have to deal with spam transactions
mircea_popescu: phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.
mircea_popescu: i will not empower this. NOBODY, including his top general and his own daughter, is his. i own, unknown, perhaps, and or all of these.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, i peer with a "network at large" node, making it thus trb-node-one-removed.
mircea_popescu: this cloud will never be clarified, or separated. the space where usg can reliably live (or, for that matter, chinag, russiag, dpkg, anyone-g) is, more or less, zero.
mircea_popescu: and gossipd is specifically not a solution to hermetically seal the network.
mircea_popescu: it is a solution to make that epsilon unknowable to any degree of certainty, by anyone.
mircea_popescu: on which topic, the earlier discussion with asciilifeform re miners is quite apropos.
mircea_popescu: and this is not merely a discussion of nodes in terms of internet ips. this is a discussion of everything. usg can not currently know which of its agents is closer to me than to washington. closer to their wife than to washington. closer to their purse, a la force, than to washington.
mircea_popescu: this situation will never reduce, but only amplify, for it spells victory.
phf: well a gossip connection is already a secret handshake, even if it's not wot rated, a concept of trust can be applied to it, even if negatively. it's a backchannel for b-a node communication
mircea_popescu: ok.
mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
mircea_popescu: you can't say this is the case for any one node in particular.
phf: will b-a node, once gossip enabled make connections that are not routed over gossip?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: bridged, or even unbridged.
mircea_popescu: the whole point of gossipd, as i was trying to explain it to that torhead dude, is that you can't know.
phf: oh the outside packets are traveling over gossip too, by means of gossip relays
phf hits self on head
mircea_popescu: and as a more general point : we aren't sealing ourselves off in an ideal world (see the "island of Bitcoin" / "let's get a geographical unit started" threads throughout log history). we are simply constructing indefeatable corruption.
phf: i always thought of it as more of a backchannel, i.e. there's the dead drops with their own rules of engagement and then there's also the mail you get in post.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414570 << no worky☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 20:56:40; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414325 << http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-347.0-359.40
mircea_popescu: this being the deep meaning of the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368148 comment☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 17:03:44; ascii_butugychag: не шагу назад (тм) (р)
mircea_popescu: i am not prepared to admit usg ownership over as much as the fucking bathroom of the oval office.
mircea_popescu: it is mine, and i'm taking it back. all of it.
phf: за нами москва
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's it do ?
asciilifeform: just displays the article.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414593 << in so far as the enemy can readily deduce that none of us are mining, the 'outside' of the bottle deductively exists.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
mircea_popescu: this deduction would be false.
asciilifeform: i suppose our conversations re: it taking forever to get a high-S tx into a block could've been smokescreen, aha.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the enemy can delude himself into that, he can delude himself into anything and is warmly welcome to it.
asciilifeform: or when bitbet tx were delayed, it was also smoke.
mircea_popescu: if this were how deductions worked there'd be no need of politicians
mircea_popescu: or even women.
mircea_popescu: world could be settled over darts and beer.
asciilifeform: but yes, i get the 'nacht und nebel' thing mircea_popescu is trying to set up
asciilifeform: it is meritorious
asciilifeform: let them guess.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414563 << pretty sure that's what my thermos cost. (there is nothing peculiar about it)☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 20:50:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
pete_dushenski: thermos tends to carry considerably more volume, no ?
jurov: but thermoses don't have the right comforter
jurov: or whatitscalled, a teat?
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: spout maybe
pete_dushenski: also a thermos is 2x weight of water bottle. different beast really. like macbook air and og mac portable.
jurov: babies drink from spout? til
mircea_popescu: aha. also drunkards drink from spout
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it had a spout.
asciilifeform: it is the iron kind of thermos, welded in a vaccum chamber
pete_dushenski: babies are a lot like drunks : shit pants, mutter incomprehensibly, can't walk straight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32859 @ 0.00057216 = 18.8006 BTC [+] {3}
phf: thermos has a vacuum chamber
asciilifeform: (yes this is how they are made)
mircea_popescu: basically a thermos is a larger xmas tree globe.
phf: or ascii said it already
mircea_popescu: shiny glass double bottom vacuum separated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the old-fashioned kind, you can still get it, sure
jurov: ikr? the vacuum doesn't compensate for the added weight
jurov: would have to be too bulky
phf: only quality asian ones use glass vacuum chambers, also on account of those people being careful with their stuff. can't even buy those in usg unless in specialty asian stores
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i now see that this 'fancy' water bottle is built the same way - double stainless steel wall with vacuum - so it's essentially a smaller, ligther duty thermos. such innovation !
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: was it made by 'contigo' co. ?
pete_dushenski: mno. and nor do i want to memorialise the actual co with a log mention
BingoBoingo: Then this is pretty much all Thermos wank, take it to bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: i thought he was on reddit now, which is amusing given that one of these bottles is worth more than the lot of em
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe << an uncharacteristically well written wikipedia article.
assbot: Molon labe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLyaCw )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He does both
phf: "We noticed that you have not yet purchased your Apple Developer Program. To continue your enrollment, purchase your program now." these people
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414361 << this thing insistently reminds me of "bitcoin in argentina / world map", "dating websites" and the rest of the crapolade.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 18:50:55; punkman: http://dapps.ethercasts.com/ lol
mircea_popescu: WE HAVE SO AND SO THINGS!!! please do not try to use any of them!!1
mircea_popescu: !up beeteecee
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414371 << til nttp = rich.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 18:59:19; asciilifeform: (and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.)
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asciilifeform: what's nttp ?
mircea_popescu: no theorems to prove.
mircea_popescu: and in other the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e0158454713eb51930024c70f0e9ec4f/tumblr_nnxa3fkkQR1t4kskho1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLzPYK )
asciilifeform: i dun get it
asciilifeform: but maybe i shouldn't expect to
mircea_popescu: dude does all the work three midlevel project managers in a shitty thirld world country wanna-be second hand tech firm do. you perceive this as "not have to work", on the grounds that he doesn't seem to mind it.
mircea_popescu: he only doesn't mind it because his ganglional vacuole is thoroughly empty.
asciilifeform: what makes you think that he works ?
mircea_popescu: programmers make the funniest whores, i swear. rarely have i seen actual call girls sitting around in the limo earnestly deploring their fate as compared to the toothless scamp collapsed in a dirty heap in the back alley.
mircea_popescu: but hey.
asciilifeform: for all i know, he spends 100% of his waking hours playing 'doom'.
mircea_popescu: nevermind me. why's this about me ? you made an array of propositions and you want ME to be bringing proof ?
mircea_popescu: for all you know he's your father, luke.
pete_dushenski: relevant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924336 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:38; Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you
mircea_popescu: that may be true or not, but it's really irrelevant - i'm not interchangeable with the people i call idiots. meanwhile im sure intestinal worms, if i managed to get them, would live a happier life than him, and that IS relevant, because he IS interchangeable with my putative intestinal worms.
asciilifeform: hm i think i got disconnected
asciilifeform: lost buffer
asciilifeform: sending again, apologies if repeat:
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: more thinking that whole thread, also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924341 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:26:34; mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous.
asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
asciilifeform: and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc
asciilifeform: so presumably got a cut.
asciilifeform: in his position, i certainly would not work. (in the sense of showing up to some salt mine, for wages)
asciilifeform: [end of retransmit]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but if you were in his position, you would scam, so...
pete_dushenski: can't cherry pick when in another man's shoes
asciilifeform: i see mircea_popescu's argument, that man cannot compare himself with worm, it operates on null pointer
pete_dushenski: like wearing one of his pantlegs. for one, you'll trip and fall on your face
asciilifeform: i'm simply not entirely convinced that i am not similarly a worm
asciilifeform: and thereby - comparable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc << we did this entire thread when you thought leah goodman is set for lyf, and then we did it when bb started exposing the lulzy state of gawker contributors compensations, and so on.
mircea_popescu: how many times do we need to do the whole - stalin and ivan ivanov politruk own the same : 0. except stalin's 0 buys him some things and politruk's 0 does not ?
asciilifeform: so buterin never had coin ?
asciilifeform: who, then, held it ?
asciilifeform: martians ?
mircea_popescu: force had more coin, for longer.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sorry ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and thereby - comparable. << this question, answered later.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: well so you don't know. eventually you will neh ?
asciilifeform: i think worms die ignorant.
asciilifeform: as in, i stepped on one today, and did not first tell it 'you were a worm'
asciilifeform: i also do not have the unreasonable expectation of being told.
mircea_popescu: well okthen!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: re: idiots or pantlegs ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. what scam what what ? wut ?
pete_dushenski: aha. buterin. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414687 namely that alf imagines he would sit on the king's throne but nor wear his crown if only they could swap places as in a dream☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:03:01; asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you keep doing this entire "handpuppet is the show!!" thing. did inaba do bfl ? what else we believe ?
mircea_popescu: the relationship between buterin and the mit-driven, elen shoe or what's her stupid name managed alt-bitcoin scam is approximately the same as the relationship between preet bharara and the us rogue state.
mircea_popescu: we're cordially invited to hang the idiot(s) and imagine this does something.
mircea_popescu: i'd link a famous ro play on the topic, but i fear i'm overdoing the obscure romanian stuff.
mircea_popescu: anyway. "noi capul lui motoc vrem".
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit about buterin myself, yet another amir taaki, like the antonoderp (- did he do neo bee btw ? )
mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.
asciilifeform: shi.
mircea_popescu: whatever.
pete_dushenski: brewster, danny did neobee
asciilifeform: but i did not for a moment think that the muppets 'run the show'
asciilifeform: just that they are handsomely rewarded for their muppetry.
mircea_popescu: mno. there's the mysterious phtysic scammer in the pics that meanwhile disappeared, between "danny" and the schmucky head of the nicosia uni it dept.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this thinking costs you nothing, so by all means.
pete_dushenski: o that's right.
mircea_popescu: anyone managed to fish out that thing yet, btw ?
pete_dushenski: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/neobeestaff.jpg << ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLDiq9 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd conceivably walk around an epsilon less depressed if i learned that muppets have to do their muppetry in spare hours on the train, rather than relaxing in hammocks work-free. but nfi.
trinque: I would like to hear an example of a scammer that was capable of holding onto capital.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it'd help ya.
pete_dushenski: http://www.goldnews.com.cy/assets/image/imagebig/neo-and-bee-occhio-lounge.jpg << another contender
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLDllX )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiousity - why ?
asciilifeform: *curiosity
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not bad, but it's specifically from the lolference they organised.
trinque: I find it far more likely that such a bent mind blows through whatever pile he amasses because he's as dishonest inwardly as outwardly
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't think they typically get lump sums, for this reason
pete_dushenski: http://www.avant-garde.com.cy/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/NS010073-1024x6821.jpg << ??
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJAY3N )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would it not help ? because you show systematic bias in very peculiar manner which experience with humans indicates to be coming from psychogenic source, which means that nothing may help except resolution of the respective psychological conflict.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah, they were seated at a table, names in greek script on papers in front
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu isn't wrong here.
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asciilifeform: i have never in entire life, since i can remember myself at 2 y.o., not been convinced that being other people isn't considerably more fun than being self.
mircea_popescu: how about being a woman ?
asciilifeform: but generally there is good logic behind this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: them too
asciilifeform: and animals, etc.
mircea_popescu: how is being a woman more fun than being self ?
asciilifeform: why asked specifically about women, out of curiosity
mircea_popescu: what am i doing here, doing or teaching ?
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: i have nfi. catch one and force it to be me for a spell then ask.
asciilifeform: it will tell you which sucked moar.
mircea_popescu: wait. wut ?
asciilifeform: i do not know how to actually carry out this experiment.
mircea_popescu: so it's more fun for you to be her or less fun for her to be you ?
asciilifeform: all i can reveal is my strong intuition, like the feeling you have when you see a door that there is a volume behind it.
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asciilifeform: i've never actually been other people, and so cannot satisfactorily answer mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: but if i devise a means of being other people, i promise to tell him how it went.
mircea_popescu: lol. sounds like a bedtime story by now.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can't seem to dig up the neo bee pic in question atm, but at least i now have a mental image of it with which to scan the archives. not sure i've ever seen the original even once, however.
trinque: this notion of "if I were someone else" is exactly what I was addressing with "both you and he will die someday" ftr
mircea_popescu: more like a you know, trophy point than anything.
trinque: the war against metaphysical thinking is far greater than that against merely god
trinque: not like I'd claim victory in that one just yet either, but it's a thing
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trinque: mircea_popescu: I've not seen it addressed better than your from causes vs towards purpose
mircea_popescu: doesn't even necessarily have to be a war.
mircea_popescu: one doesn't have to go to war with the salt in order to stop oversalting his food to the point of inedibility.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << so pay-up-front flat-rate renting for undefined period of time ? this makes working of ethdapps look sane☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
trinque nods
asciilifeform: who in his right mind would buy this ??
trinque: someone who isn't pobre, clearly!
pete_dushenski: kek
pete_dushenski: and alf thought just ustards were materially wealthy without any culture worth the mention. look ! it's a worldwide sensation ! like justin bieber !
asciilifeform: so gentlement, get a load of this:
asciilifeform: i tried a commercial code walker thing, https://scitools.com
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLGOko )
asciilifeform: it claims to search for various vulns statically;
asciilifeform: and so i feed it a (cleaned-up) mpi
asciilifeform: and get http://imgur.com/a/FVoOb
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLGTED )
asciilifeform: do not look for the sense, because there is none
asciilifeform: the tool's logic (based on 'clang'/llvm) is phucked.
asciilifeform: *gentlemen
asciilifeform: it shat out a great deal more of this, but i will not waste anybody's time with it.
asciilifeform: this example will suffice.
asciilifeform: oh and the thing also shits out flow graphs
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asciilifeform: and they are just as terrible as solrodar's
asciilifeform: (for the same reason. it uses clang/graphviz)
asciilifeform: so, speaking of 'who buys this crud'
mircea_popescu: doctor wants me to eat less butter. slavegirl is like "well you know... i could make those banana muffins without butter or oil" "o yeah ? what are you going to make them with, piss ? russian prison muffins ?" "yeah! i could make... research facility muffins."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the argentines are fucktarded re money beyond what is comprehensible or readily imaginable. their idea essentially is "o you got sum ? gimme!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yer not supposed to eat the prison chess pieces, yknow
mircea_popescu: 5yo black valley girls from the ghetto or somesuch.
asciilifeform: they aren't muffins.
pete_dushenski: re muffins alt-butters, try zucchini
asciilifeform: just bread crumbs glued with piss.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that yellow snow ain't piss, my dear fellow.
asciilifeform: no?
mircea_popescu: piss dun glue. cum glues.
asciilifeform: ah hm.
asciilifeform: !s menstruade
assbot: 2 results for 'menstruade' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstruade
asciilifeform: ^ we had thread!
pete_dushenski never makes banana bread w/o zucchini
mircea_popescu: ,ebbe worth a shot
mircea_popescu: re the apts lulz : understand that the >4x price differential relates to a 40% surface area differential. somehow.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJcZ8lODttA << just loverly.
assbot: Mendelssohn - Im Grünen (UniversitätsChor München) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvA9p0 )
asciilifeform: again why would anyone pay for title-less real estate thing
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: because families are rich
mircea_popescu: but they do. i know this for a fact.
mircea_popescu: i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control.
pete_dushenski: a husband and wife working are greater than the sum of their parts in argenmaths
asciilifeform: and what, precisely, prevents the seller from selling it twice ?
asciilifeform: let the 'buyers' fight, who 'bought' first.
mircea_popescu: nope, nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: "bankruptcies" are CONSTANT occurences.
asciilifeform: at least in sov. 'kooperativ' apartment, there was paper.
asciilifeform: and some centralized record that x paid for y.
mircea_popescu: they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl)
mircea_popescu: they all have this plaintive "whio could have foreseen" and "we have to go to the judge to make this right" etc.
asciilifeform: l0l just when i thought i had the best zimbabwe here.
mircea_popescu: no reports in the press, of course, they're too busy discussing how "not a single woman less" because totally, they're killing to many women around here, appartently.
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems
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mircea_popescu: lol wtf is this scitools thing lmao
asciilifeform: i think my screenshit explains ?
pete_dushenski: "not a single woman less" << exactly subject of last contravex. city here goes through whole charade trying to prevent bridge jumpers... off one one single bridge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... does the code do any of the things it claims ?
pete_dushenski: *only one
asciilifeform: you can readily see what it actually does.
mircea_popescu: yeah but afais it doesn't do any of htre things claimed ?
asciilifeform: (runs clang, produces fancy-looking nonsense. walk through the pictured branches, and see how it gives a martian result)
asciilifeform: $1k+.
pete_dushenski: why not just require 20' of barbed wire on top of all building >2 stories ? because it can't. still, "we tried" (tm)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the fancy socialmedia tards are all about how "femicidio" is a thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this the chinese abortion thing?
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could possibly not be outraged by the proposition that murder is gender-different
mircea_popescu: nah, apparently govt doesn't like males disciplining the household cows.
mircea_popescu: for obvious reasons.
pete_dushenski: menstruation is also outrageously biased, more anal-spikes needed to rectify this social crisis
asciilifeform: am i missing some context here or what
asciilifeform: wtf is 'femicide'
mircea_popescu: the killing of women.
pete_dushenski: orifice bleeding for everyone, a chicken in every oven !
asciilifeform: where i live it is this liberast term re: the chinese custom of selective aborting
mircea_popescu: i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit.
mircea_popescu: nah, here it means something vague altogether.
asciilifeform: who even gets clobbered in ar.
asciilifeform: i realized that i have mostly nfi.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50.
mircea_popescu: as it is, it's fucking common to see an entire outdoor cafe filled with nothing but singles of these derps sitting there all important and shit.
mircea_popescu: it's fucking offensive, is what it is.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so "what they're on about" is the once in a lifetime hurricane, the homegrown pope, the meteor, the exceptional event that they have no frame of reference with which to process
asciilifeform: and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important...
asciilifeform: similarly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that yeah.
mircea_popescu: actually come to think about it, that's what i should do. start a "beat nags club". get a prize per extracted tooth or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: best way to fix this shithole, really.
asciilifeform: you would have to come up with some incentive, aha
asciilifeform: because who otherwise would bother?
asciilifeform: how much time does mircea_popescu personally spend with nags.
pete_dushenski: catharsis, gets you off, like diddle her twat club
pete_dushenski: charge $300 a visit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their poisonous influence is felt throughout.
asciilifeform: i believe it.
asciilifeform: but how much time mircea_popescu spends beating'em
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2016#1413592 << model☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 16:44:07; danielpbarron: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/29968/1/blind-fingering-dates-are-london-s-latest-craze >> The process is simple. You head to the class, strip off from the waist down, and lie across an unknown, fully-clothed man while he strokes your clitoris.
mircea_popescu: argentina suffers from a bit of german pox. specifically, they had a military junta in the 70s, it beat the shit out of the tards, but eventually failed economically.
mircea_popescu: now they're too touchy-feely to put the foot down.
pete_dushenski: bbiab - post oriffice beckons
asciilifeform pictures pete_dushenski's postman grunting forth a capsule, with letter
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: airmail ?
asciilifeform: turns out he was posting from ru prison all this time...
mircea_popescu: like in, say, brasil ?
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00056803 = 29.0263 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's it cost ~with~ title ?
mircea_popescu: this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building.
mircea_popescu: (this is rather sensible - wtf is the meaning of title on an indivise real estate item ?)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the custom of shitholes, such as romania, russia etc, is to issue title on apts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa there exists, somehow, title on 'condominium' - but it is strange, you still have to pay 'service fee' that is quite similar to the cost of renting a flat
asciilifeform: forever.
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asciilifeform: ru has perfectly legit title on apt, in comparison.
mircea_popescu: legit in what sense.
asciilifeform: so it's a cement slab rather than earth.
asciilifeform: but otherwise works similarly.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does it work similarly.
asciilifeform: in the sense of being bought/sold, centrally registered, etc.
mircea_popescu: ok, but title is about some important things. for instance : can't acquire title on good without egress.
asciilifeform: it is no more odd than american land titles, that come 'without mineral rights'
mircea_popescu: consequently, splits of property are required to include servitudes on the outer plots.
asciilifeform: in usa this is called 'easement'
asciilifeform: but yes
mircea_popescu: well how's this work on condominium ?
asciilifeform: they typically have independent doors.
asciilifeform: and a collectively-owned staircase.
mircea_popescu: so then... lol.
asciilifeform: btw remember m. heevemeyer ?
mircea_popescu: notrly ?
asciilifeform: of 'killdozer' fame ?
asciilifeform: !s killdozer
assbot: 7 results for 'killdozer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=killdozer
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: adjacent holders managed to box him in on his land, without egress
asciilifeform: so he built the bulldozer.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: he was the original, arguably greatest, joe stack
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mircea_popescu: and the problem doesn't end with egress. suppose i wanna take down a wall. "can't - building will collapse" "but my title ?" "fuck your title, our wall".
asciilifeform: we have this with ordinary land here in usaschwitz
jurov: here from law follows that you really own only air between the walls in a condo
mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!"
asciilifeform: 'i want to farm.' 'sorry no pigs allowed in this town'
mircea_popescu: yeah but this is why sanew people do not own real estate in the ustardia.
asciilifeform: quite a few american titles are encumbered in one way or another
asciilifeform: e.g., there is a cable easement
asciilifeform: (it is there but not yours to cut)
asciilifeform: and in most countries one is not permitted to erect an antiaircraft battery
asciilifeform: even with supposedly 'sane' titles.
mircea_popescu: except in the us - quite a lot of legal precedent re spite spikes
mircea_popescu: (aircraft-invisible metal poles)
asciilifeform: link?
asciilifeform: ;;google spite spike
mircea_popescu: hmm, lessee
gribble: Spite and Malice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spite_and_Malice>; The Rant: Spike's Spite over the Oscar nominations | KFOR.com: <http://kfor.com/2016/01/18/the-rant-spikes-spite-over-the-oscar-nominations/>; Rules of Card Games: Spite and Malice: <https://www.pagat.com/patience/spitemal.html>
mircea_popescu: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19490429&id=QelOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EAAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6318,5416127&hl=en
assbot: Toledo Blade - Google News Archive Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdsMb5 )
mircea_popescu: lots of these.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like it is what i said earlier
asciilifeform: title does not extend up.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: (i know of no country where it does)
mircea_popescu: but it took like 50 years'; wrangling to sort out
mircea_popescu: in the us peculiarly.
asciilifeform: and much, much earlier, they invented the idiocy of 'mineral rights'
asciilifeform: which was precedent enough.
mircea_popescu: why is this idiocy ?
mircea_popescu: you know anything of the history of the industrialization of the west ?
mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: but i will say, if mircea_popescu laughs at the condo title owner, who doesn't have right to demolish the walls or drill through the floor, how is this situation any different from the rancher who does not own the oil ?
mircea_popescu: nothing keeps you from buying WITH the rights.
asciilifeform: the condo corp.'s claim to prevent my drilling of the walls at least makes some kind of physical sense
mircea_popescu: just because two items are separated to ease commerce does you no harm. buy them togetrher.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are typically not available.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i can't acquire the title to that to heal my defect.
mircea_popescu: ofcourse they are.
asciilifeform: not in the typical american residential sector.
asciilifeform: no 'suburb' will permit drilling.
mircea_popescu: and i would similarly not object to land offered in fee simple if the immunity were separately available to reconstruct alodial title
asciilifeform: this is a 'distinction without difference'
asciilifeform: it is 'available' like toilet paper was in '92 su.
mircea_popescu: hey, don't blame the hammer because idiots stick it up their ass. we already discussed the "inane collective rulesets" thing above.
asciilifeform: yes, if you see it in the shop, and grab it first, it costs 0.10 rub.
mircea_popescu: it does not color this discussion.
asciilifeform: so in what sense is the reconstruction available.
mircea_popescu: in the legal sense.
asciilifeform: the mineral rights are with the city, or the original developer of the street, who won't part with them even for maxint.
asciilifeform: similarly to how the allodial title is with usg, who won't let it go.
asciilifeform: we have many fictions like this in usa.
asciilifeform: for instance, for many years, possession of marijuana etc. was a ... tax offense.
asciilifeform: usg theoretically demanded a tax stamp.
asciilifeform: that it would not actually sell to anyone, for any price.
asciilifeform: this was practiced until a proper ban was passed (iirc 1950s) and the trick deemed no longer necessary.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important... << http://qntra.net/2015/11/bull-farmer-killed-in-shootout-while-protecting-life/
assbot: Bull Farmer Killed in Shootout While Protecting Life | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LGCr4S )
asciilifeform: but it is how usg leveraged its original tax collection powers to ... being what it is today.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: realize that most u.s. folk have never even seen a bull, likely.
asciilifeform: and the places where they can be seen, may as well be mars.
BingoBoingo: Only in your dismal swamp
asciilifeform: no coast dweller, to first approximation, knows or gives so much as a spoonful of shit what happens in the places where one may meet with bulls.
asciilifeform: i say this as statement of (afaik) fact, not judgement.
asciilifeform: where was mircea_popescu's article on the countryside.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute
assbot: Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LGCIoo )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and a collectively-owned staircase. << Also collectively metered water
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not always.
mircea_popescu: what they still do that in the states ?!
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?
asciilifeform: modern buildouts typically have separate meters.
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mircea_popescu: and in butt-er news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f4f0470b50e3fe8bfaba9cda6483fbca/tumblr_ngi12dxC2Y1r6t3vno1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LGCTQC )
BingoBoingo: Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk
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