assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 21:31:02; phf: mod6: (let ((things ())) (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value)) (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)
shinohai: BingoBoingo: "I felt the crushing weight of one of the beasts" <<< can u make this up?
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shinohai: Afraid she was going to die, as if obesity and diabetes are the *least* of her worries.
BingoBoingo: Honestly at this point I forget what I've written where and what I haven't
mircea_popescu: the bulgarian emperor is not even byzantine!!! nobody's forcing him to be retarded!!11
gribble: Current Blocks: 399775 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 1408 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
jurov: but it's alpha, won't be surprised it if fails badly
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13779 @ 0.00057328 = 7.8992 BTC [+]
jurov: "whitening is racist!!!" lmao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30431 @ 0.00056602 = 17.2246 BTC [-] {2}
phf: asciilifeform: 1) paste into emacs 2) indent-region 3) profit!111!!! << won't add newlines for you though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36028 @ 0.00056443 = 20.3353 BTC [-]
phf: but you can pretty print it with a real lisp
phf: (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable))
phf: (*print-pprint-dispatch* (copy-pprint-dispatch))
phf: (*print-case* :downcase))
phf: (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\f (lambda (stream subchar arg) '|#f|))
phf: (set-pprint-dispatch '(member |#f|) (lambda (stream object)
phf: (princ "#f" stream)))
phf: (pprint (read-from-string "(let ((things ()))
phf: (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value
phf: (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value))
phf: (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)")))
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63527 @ 0.00056382 = 35.8178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00057328 = 32.1037 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00057444 = 8.674 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: aaand archive.is changed ip. for shame. anyone willing to run a b-a fork of the thing ?
mircea_popescu: neither of which happen to match the 185.92.220.64 it was answering from merely five minutes ago.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe they just really are out to get you?
phf: i have some lisp code to do what archive.is does from back when i was reading everything from kindle, but it'll take a few weeks for me to get it into a running service state..
danielpbarron: i also noticed their ip was weird after i pasted your /etc/hosts list into my own and it stopped working the other day
phf: oh then it's for somebody else to fuck around with
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron was it earlier ? i actually just loaded a page, worked fine, minutes later bupkiss
danielpbarron: the main page would load, but when i tried to archive something that's where it would go to a new ip
phf: person: Shevchenko Andrey address: Tussen de Bogen 6, 1013 JB Amsterdam, The Netherlands , hehe just the kind of person to run a service like that..
phf: no, i know a few russian living in netherlands, and they all fall under kind of a similar stereotype
mircea_popescu: in other news, either the code vanished or i;m just delusional, but can't seem to locate it
mircea_popescu: anyway, this would be very good synnergy with deedbot, because not only can pages be saved, but sha512sums of the pages can be deeded.
mircea_popescu: now i gotta fish out the guy's email and perhaps see if he'd be willing to share ?
phf: i think ben_vulpes has been working on his own take on the service? i remember there was some noise last time question came up. anyone attempting will fast realize that it's a pita.
mircea_popescu: "The archive runs Apache Hadoop and Apache Accumulo. All data is stored on HDFS" what's the esteemed peerage think ? should be rewritten ? worth reusing ?
mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance.
phf: above is entirely java stack, and the quoted parts only talk about storage aspect. (accumulo is layer on top of hadoop's hdfs)
phf: "can't have our thing, but here's a link to a chrome extension that does nothing like what we do. run along now"
mircea_popescu: phf it ~would~ be a pretty decent showcase of lisp, i'll readily grant that.
mircea_popescu: also comes with built-in revenue model, "be in the L or else pay this much dust".
phf: we can add archive/logs/patches to a single lisp project, call it assetbook and we won't need any other internet anymore
mircea_popescu: will require that ancient "assbot bitcoin wallets" thing be dusted off, but hey, unavoidable anyway
mircea_popescu: strategically i'd rather have it a set of interoperating parts than a single monster monolith.
mircea_popescu: i lost interest once it went "Vagina" instead of "cunt"
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mircea_popescu: well i suppose technically all russians are the same dude, but even so.
mircea_popescu: and the server wasn't new, so prolly got his warm bed or something.
mircea_popescu: but the thing IS fascinating. noticed it on okcupid back in the day, a small but present chunk of derps actually used group photos consisting of HOTTER WOMEN
mircea_popescu: i mean, leaving aside the inanity of posing with one's mother, this may be the most insane thing ever.
mod6: i'll test that out tomorrow when i get a sec.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, none of those 4 derps is fuckable. the tall blonde has the typical ustard chin, miserable fucking feature. the jew is short and jewish. the fat one obv and the midwestern "undiscovered beauty" is benning-level psychotic)
mircea_popescu: fucking disjointed smile with defocused eyes omfg medicate her.
mircea_popescu: omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated.
☟︎☟︎ phf: past first paragraph is bogus, fat girls don't act like that in clubs, that's just an overactive imagination. what they actually do is pick up leftovers, or particularly drunk guys who were attracted by the group. it's literally a scavenger strategy, and being obnoxious will ensure that the girl is never again invited with her hotter friends. (they want to get fucked too, jeez)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44950 @ 0.00056375 = 25.3406 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: phf actually that scavenger strategy is the larger part of why humans are still around.
mircea_popescu: women pick up the drunks and men pick up what the lions left off, whenever they could chase the hyenas away.
mod6: qq: Can something be developed to help these guys with the corrupted databases when they get a hard-reboot?perhaps something similar to cutblock that will say lopp off the last blk####.dat file or something? is this worth looking into?
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is, but big chunk and scheduled for after this scheme thing is better digested.
phf: i'm not at all hating, it's more of a "a plague on both your houses" reaction
mod6: mircea_popescu: awesome. yeah, i agree we should do something there. that's super annoying that it happened to these guys.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, linux managed to implement journaling in such a way it barely works
mod6: ok, so that's a possible whole replacement piece, sure. was just thinking is it worth possibly making a temporary tool for this until bitcoinfs? or just wait and do bitcoinfs.
mod6: food for thought perhaps.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's definitely possible ; ideally it'd come after a proper data model for the data.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you'll end up with "need driven" data modelling, and god help you.
mod6: i'll have to go back and re-read some of our previous threads on the topics.
mod6: i learn so many good words here.
phf: oh it's that chick that got sussman to sell his chips
mod6: i didn't know that's what you called those works of art.
mod6: phf, asciilifeform: so you know whats weird?
mod6: so in "foo.scm" i have defined a "square" procedure, but in (oblist), among everything else, its listed as: (square char-ci>=? cddddr expt)
mod6: lol, no idea how that correlates yet, but that is indeed the actual stored defintion no?
phf: mod6: no, i think it's a side effect of the way oblist is constructed
phf: probably some kind of tree structure for fast lookup
mod6: alright. i was thinking with using scheme (like I was saying lastnight), we'll have to build some pretty extensive libs of procs of our own. which is probably better anyway... but, it'd be cool if this thing would tell you what you've already defined.
mod6: or do we need to write a proc for that too?
phf: mod6: i have an OP for symbol-value, on top of which you can build a pretty decent "apropos"
mod6: im actually glad for that. and personally, I don't even want to look at any other lisp really because other lisps seem to have a bunch more built-in functions that we'll basically not use.
mircea_popescu predicts that by the time he's dead, b-a will be bigger than fucking france.
mircea_popescu: also, what do i care of the living. will go to the great prison in the sky, all the people there'll be impressed enough. "bigger than france ?! pasol nahui!"
mod6: She asked me if "snarffed" was a technical term, now I can point at this:
mod6: Snarf: ``To grab, especially a large document or file for the purpose of using it either with or without the owner's permission.'' Snarf down: ``To snarf, sometimes with the connotation of absorbing, processing, or understanding.'' (These definitions were snarfed from Steele et al. 1983. See also Raymond 1993.)
BingoBoingo: ESR stole it by putting it on just just in time for Google to be birthed
mod6: I think they used to teach this SICP directly as the first programming class at UofM - used it as a weed-out course.
mod6: friend of mine only ever talked about "cons-boxes" for about 2 months.
mod6: shit that was seventeen years ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00056776 = 33.8385 BTC [+] {4}
danielpbarron: >> I told him that a child in Africa dies every 3 seconds. He was surprised at that. He said "I know black people have rhythm, but that is some amazing timing, you guys should try out for X-Factor".
mod6: is that going to drop every tweet into a deed?
mod6: thought that was her twitter feed haha
danielpbarron: hm.. idk why that won't work. that's how trinque added all the others
mod6: maybe he whitelists 'em?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell trinque please to add this feed ^^ I think it only works for you
mod6: is there such a thing as adhd in china? if a kid just wont do stuff or doesn't pay attention they just hit you with a stick no?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76750 @ 0.00056924 = 43.6892 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nah, Tiger mom makes sure the kid develops the asps instead
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron im pretty sure it only takes that command from him ; also prolly best give her some time to get better wot-integrated - the few times we let marginals in the feed it worked out poorly in the end.
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assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00255 / 0.00260887 / 0.00263877 (793 shares, 2.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00253517 / 0.00260789 / 0.0027 (4318 shares, 11.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00277034 / 0.00332476 (10650 shares, 29.50 BTC)
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punkman: "mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance. << archive.is (as a browsing tool) seems useless without javascript, might as well render the page in lynx/dilla/modern browser with js disabled.
punkman: the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc.
☟︎ punkman: and the guy doesn't seem keen to publish any of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00057005 = 10.4319 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: (sidenote for anyone looking at phantomjs: it sucks balls and uses QtWebkit, and QtWebkit is kinda deprecated because Qt moved to QtWebEngine which uses chromium)
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assbot: No patent if invention lies only in computer program, says Indian Patent Office | Business Standard News ... (
http://bit.ly/24oJOJT )
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punkman: late delivery of BFL lulz: "At one point, an FTC attorney carried into court a foam pitchfork that was stamped with the phrases “Y U NO SHIP!” and “BFL is late!” The agency said the pitchfork and similar foam torches were found at Butterfly Labs and mocked its customers’ complaints."
punkman: "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services, gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”"
☟︎ assbot: FTC moved quietly against Butterfly Labs to avoid tipping off bitcoin operation | The Kansas City Star ... (
http://bit.ly/1mX5N8I )
assbot: Bitcoin business Butterfly Labs, shut down as ‘bogus,’ settles charges for $15,000 | The Kansas City Star ... (
http://bit.ly/1mX5N8K )
punkman: "We went to court without notifying the other party … because we were concerned about a dissipation of assets,” said Malini Mithal, assistant director of the FTC’s division of financial practices. “We were worried about seeing corporate funds go to Nordstrom, Bed Bath & Beyond, gun stores and things like that."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla could we has deeds.bitcoin-assets.com added ? assigned to deedbot.org
mircea_popescu checks, the thing already exists. o ty kako for your godspeed!
mircea_popescu: punkman well, the cool part depending for whom doing what. i have no objection, all that sugar&spice is nice to have, but i don't think it mandatory, myself. the main utility is creating a copy of a resource (as in url) that is outside of the control of its original author. i'm more than happy if that is provided in the first place and the rest of the swag on a best-effort basis.
mircea_popescu: Malini Mithal << at first sight one thinks what the indian supreme court thinks about patents is irrelevant to the us. at second sight one tries to recall a usg lawyer that's not indian and chuckles to himself.
mircea_popescu: 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips.
☟︎ punkman: also saw a mention of antminer at 250w for around 4 terrahash
punkman: bitbet suggestion: 2exahash by February 2017
mircea_popescu: i think 1 year may be too long. maybe go by 3 months sorta thing
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 13:26:42 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057656 = 5.4197 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: the halving complicates things
mircea_popescu: lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3409 @ 0.00056991 = 1.9428 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 36.26 B (51%) on Yes, 34.65 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 6 days | weight: 52`229 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1RmRd5m )
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 08:55:55; punkman: the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc.
mircea_popescu: but mebbe you overlooked the part where to initiate a caching, one has to either be in the L or pay.
mircea_popescu: by having [hopefully as an extension of assbot] a payment interface in chan.
mircea_popescu: then whoever wants to be paid goes !bill asciilifeform 10.56546 "had a nice time last night honey"
mircea_popescu: and whoever wants to pay goes !pay mircea_popescu bill or !pay mircea_popescu 7.5555 "not bad but not really worth 10fiddy, ho!"
mircea_popescu: and of course !bills returns you a list of stored bills.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00056887 = 3.6977 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: all sorts of "problems" are really non-problems once tmsr principles are applied.
mircea_popescu: to think imbecile anglos spent 50 years in "computing" huddling walls and trying to be all flower-power.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin should have been implemented as a solution to pdp timesharing problems.
mircea_popescu: i'm like lead. every fancy radioactive compound eventually decays into me.
mircea_popescu: first off - separate what is tool and what is caduceus.
mircea_popescu: THEN, take tools away from derps and caducei away from everyone.
mircea_popescu: and absent a better idea, my concept that you can't possibily have more than 255-27-10 actual tools seems quite meritous.
mircea_popescu: all i care about is that there's a specified maximum DEFINITIVE count of symbols,
mircea_popescu: i'd prefer it be a word, but can live with dword. i CAN NOT live with "extensible symbol space".
mircea_popescu: this is the DEFINITION of derpage. to quote from relevant article :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00057529 = 26.6359 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: original topic is romanian "grammar scholars" who aren't fit to shine boots, and completely ignore anything whatsoever in the discipline in favour of doing some inanity.
mircea_popescu: but the point stands : derpage is when you come up with new symbols or "new" readings (ie, wrong readings) of pre-existing symbols.
mircea_popescu: and fucking note that medicine used WORDS to denote its array of datapoints. not fucking hieroglyphics.
mircea_popescu: but you're right, pomos do use the medical style (in no small part due to the original idiots', lacan et all, vague fascination with that particular citadel forbidden to them by their own ineptitude -
mircea_popescu: their equivalents in a previous century were using the "magic stones" to read "reformed egyptian". and there is EXACTLY no difference between john smith the mormon and lacan the postmodernist. they're EXACTLY the same "ideal american"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless. i need unextensible symbol set for very good reason : you can't have static compilation without it.
mircea_popescu: you understand ? all european literacy is based on the concept of fixed forever symbols, so printing press may exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, THEY were the americans. everyone else's just scum the wind blew in./
mircea_popescu: america is a country of john smith and carnegey and marx and lacan.
mircea_popescu: preet is the american, obama is the american. not fucking kerry.
mircea_popescu: just like lenin is the definitive soviet tho he didn't actually live there significantly, marx is the definitive american, tho he didn't even speak the "official" language. he spoke german, the unofficial one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> how does this work << because what is your definition of nationality ? byron is french, definitely.
mircea_popescu: before that, you're just aspiring. what nationality you're aspiring to be entirely your problem,
mircea_popescu: but the people dead on the battlements are dead for the dead, not dead for the living.
mircea_popescu: go, make some dead worth the mention. if california fell into the sea today, what'd be remembered ?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 11:09:02; punkman: "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services, gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”"
mircea_popescu: kinda what drove the entire giuliani revolt, briefly backj when the us still thought it may turn around.
mircea_popescu: you deeply disunderstand the mob. it has no higher purpose. it's just people trying to find an alt-path to consumerism.
mircea_popescu: unlike the vory, they can get married. and so they do.
mircea_popescu: like the vory, they don't know how to pick women. and so they don't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00057553 = 10.9926 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i can't think of a time this was the case, in either the old country or the america.
mircea_popescu: generally, mobster's hope and aspiration is for kids to join whatever $harvard locally and become "accepted by society"
mircea_popescu: it really is, and throughout its ~4 century history started sometime during attempts to liquidate the strong feudalism leftover in sicily and other march lands, always was an "alt-path to bourgeoisie"
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 11:47:29; mircea_popescu: 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056833 = 27.6493 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 12:02:18; mircea_popescu: lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 12:47:11; mircea_popescu: really, ibm cheated with deep blue ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35595 @ 0.00057654 = 20.5219 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
☟︎ jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28216 @ 0.000572 = 16.1396 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: i doubt it is possible to run service like archive.is on trb debt, i tried to imagine it.. needs both bandwidth and ongoing maintenance (cuz gotta keep up with webdev shit)
jurov: oh it's supposed to get paid via assbot. aok.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00056919 = 11.9814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33836 @ 0.00056704 = 19.1864 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:04:42; jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
punkman: can you put multiple IPs in etc/hosts so it round-robins?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00057262 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: any tiny dns resolvers one could use for this?
jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 14:42:04; asciilifeform: usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm)
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trinque: asciilifeform | dead from all of my modems. << here, worx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00056388 = 17.9032 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: you post ub3rs3cr3t stuff to trilema?
jurov: to warrant antifuse rom wiretap?
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? << Probable in the second Kasparov match, the one Blue won
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trinque: and he will die at the end like every other person
trinque: one moment, phone has rung
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trinque: on his deathbed he has to be him; you have to be you
trinque: who gives a shit what he had in his life?
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punkman: doesn't it cost 90% of salary?
trinque: from texas, spent a good amount of time in oregon
trinque: when its sunny there, (what, 3-4mos/yr?) it's lovely
trinque: meanwhile texas is the surface of the sun for 5-6mos/yr
trinque: it at least lacks the feeling of living directly under the eye of sauron
trinque: actually, there is a rather imposing federal building in downtown Portland
trinque: federal courthouse I think, with a platform atop for human sacrifice, I can only assume
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BingoBoingo: St Louis too has the thing where Federal building with werkers is short, squat yet Federal Court has grand tower of oppreshun
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:49:05; asciilifeform: (massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games)
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 14:06:06; jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
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assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:08:40; jurov: here, too
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:09:41; jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
mircea_popescu: nope. exactly power law of derpage : buncha noise 1st day, 1/2 noise next, 1/4 noise next, epsilon thereafter.
mircea_popescu: i might as well hold painting contests for a jar of fruit flies.
BingoBoingo: In other news today notorious Apple Shill Rush Limbaugh is giving away iPad "Pros" on his radio program.
BingoBoingo: "Since these "dead spots" can be attributed neither to hardware nor the network, they must be the result of something sub-optimal in the software."
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phf: you get disk thrash or network thrash or both. that graph i posted some time ago shows that nuking orphanage kills disk thrash, but increases network thrash. our step one has so far been removal of disk thrash, i.e. nuke orphanage, nuke mempool. step 2 presumably is nuking network thrash by relying more on trusted peers. that still doesn't solve the problem of talking to net at large
phf: miners, all those people who put bets on bitbet, agora buyers/sellers
mircea_popescu: if i go to moscow all i see is individual blokes, who is THE RUSSIANS guy ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not buying into the collectivist mindset. there is no "the network at large", "the country", blabla, evnetually for some niggled in special garb to rule over.
trinque: I can see the counterpoint.
trinque: if you connected to him, he's in your wot
trinque: who he connects to is his problem
trinque: maybe you connect to trinque's trans-netherworld sewer system that talks to both sides
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the romanian word to denote the relationship between two men fucking the same woman is "sogor"\
mircea_popescu: point being, this is the only relation people are usually unaware of.
mircea_popescu: so lots of party jokes, "hey man, spot your milk brothers ?"
mircea_popescu: so there is no "the network". just people you don't know your friends are fucking.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "all americans are poor, everyone i see in grand central station is wearing shitty cloth shoes and a cheap tshirt"
mircea_popescu: "all american women are blonde because that's what i see on tv anchors"
mircea_popescu: no, actually you know for a fact 95% of miners were not running prb back last year, because of the fork thing.
mircea_popescu: for all you know engineering assumptions aren't to be made this way.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but this really wasn't the thesis. you do know that ~nobody is running prb, and this has been in ample evidence historically throughout.
mircea_popescu: if you're particularly inclined to act as a propaganda agent for prb, you may make that wholly unsubstantiated, ridiculous claim.
mircea_popescu: hey, we also "cant prove" putin fucks obama in the ass.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork.
mircea_popescu: kinda what i've been saying. it makes little sense to call say, original bitcoin as per satoshi release prb.
mircea_popescu: also makes little sense to use the term re bitcoinj, whatever its shortcomings.
mircea_popescu: well no, not all error/failure/stupidity is THIS PARTICULAR one.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, man. if a guy makes a shitty camp during indian assault, it's one thing.
mircea_popescu: if folks in the settled territory keep on living there, not even put up a fucking log barn ?
mircea_popescu: the lone ranger gets a lot of excuses later fellows do not.
phf: i can't figure out if "there's no network at large" is a semantic point or a technical one. or is the claim that a semantic point makes technical conversation irrelevant?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 11:50:53; punkman: or is 2exa too low?
pete_dushenski: exaguess is based on gut, which is about 75% accurate in such matters to date.
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assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:37:41; asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111550 @ 0.00056654 = 63.1975 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: phf let's start simple tho. you used the symbol, "network at large". define it.
phf: well, it's a technical capability, like roads or email. bitcoin is hosted on a subtrate of tcpip, question is can a b-a node accept packets that come from outside the wot and on what terms.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:10:30; asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
mircea_popescu: phf is your definition of "network at large" as "all those ips that are not connected to a node connected to someone in l2" ?
phf: all those ips that are not l1 or l2
phf: l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc.
mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie, you become an unpriviledged creditor of theirs, and that's that. if they go bankrupt in a decade, you lose the house.
phf: a gossip solution is to hermetically seal the network, but some nodes presumably still need to talk to elsewhere, i.e. not l1 or l2, those are the ones that still have to deal with spam transactions
mircea_popescu: phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.
mircea_popescu: i will not empower this. NOBODY, including his top general and his own daughter, is his. i own, unknown, perhaps, and or all of these.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, i peer with a "network at large" node, making it thus trb-node-one-removed.
mircea_popescu: this cloud will never be clarified, or separated. the space where usg can reliably live (or, for that matter, chinag, russiag, dpkg, anyone-g) is, more or less, zero.
mircea_popescu: and gossipd is specifically not a solution to hermetically seal the network.
mircea_popescu: it is a solution to make that epsilon unknowable to any degree of certainty, by anyone.
mircea_popescu: on which topic, the earlier discussion with asciilifeform re miners is quite apropos.
mircea_popescu: and this is not merely a discussion of nodes in terms of internet ips. this is a discussion of everything. usg can not currently know which of its agents is closer to me than to washington. closer to their wife than to washington. closer to their purse, a la force, than to washington.
mircea_popescu: this situation will never reduce, but only amplify, for it spells victory.
phf: well a gossip connection is already a secret handshake, even if it's not wot rated, a concept of trust can be applied to it, even if negatively. it's a backchannel for b-a node communication
mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you can't say this is the case for any one node in particular.
phf: will b-a node, once gossip enabled make connections that are not routed over gossip?
mircea_popescu: the whole point of gossipd, as i was trying to explain it to that torhead dude, is that you can't know.
phf: oh the outside packets are traveling over gossip too, by means of gossip relays
mircea_popescu: and as a more general point : we aren't sealing ourselves off in an ideal world (see the "island of Bitcoin" / "let's get a geographical unit started" threads throughout log history). we are simply constructing indefeatable corruption.
phf: i always thought of it as more of a backchannel, i.e. there's the dead drops with their own rules of engagement and then there's also the mail you get in post.
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 17:03:44; ascii_butugychag: не шагу назад (тм) (р)
mircea_popescu: i am not prepared to admit usg ownership over as much as the fucking bathroom of the oval office.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the enemy can delude himself into that, he can delude himself into anything and is warmly welcome to it.
mircea_popescu: if this were how deductions worked there'd be no need of politicians
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 20:50:38; pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
jurov: but thermoses don't have the right comforter
jurov: or whatitscalled, a teat?
pete_dushenski: also a thermos is 2x weight of water bottle. different beast really. like macbook air and og mac portable.
jurov: babies drink from spout? til
pete_dushenski: babies are a lot like drunks : shit pants, mutter incomprehensibly, can't walk straight
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phf: thermos has a vacuum chamber
phf: or ascii said it already
jurov: ikr? the vacuum doesn't compensate for the added weight
jurov: would have to be too bulky
phf: only quality asian ones use glass vacuum chambers, also on account of those people being careful with their stuff. can't even buy those in usg unless in specialty asian stores
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i now see that this 'fancy' water bottle is built the same way - double stainless steel wall with vacuum - so it's essentially a smaller, ligther duty thermos. such innovation !
pete_dushenski: mno. and nor do i want to memorialise the actual co with a log mention
BingoBoingo: Then this is pretty much all Thermos wank, take it to bitcointalk
pete_dushenski: i thought he was on reddit now, which is amusing given that one of these bottles is worth more than the lot of em
phf: "We noticed that you have not yet purchased your Apple Developer Program. To continue your enrollment, purchase your program now." these people
mircea_popescu: WE HAVE SO AND SO THINGS!!! please do not try to use any of them!!1
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 18:59:19; asciilifeform: (and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.)
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mircea_popescu: dude does all the work three midlevel project managers in a shitty thirld world country wanna-be second hand tech firm do. you perceive this as "not have to work", on the grounds that he doesn't seem to mind it.
mircea_popescu: he only doesn't mind it because his ganglional vacuole is thoroughly empty.
mircea_popescu: programmers make the funniest whores, i swear. rarely have i seen actual call girls sitting around in the limo earnestly deploring their fate as compared to the toothless scamp collapsed in a dirty heap in the back alley.
mircea_popescu: nevermind me. why's this about me ? you made an array of propositions and you want ME to be bringing proof ?
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:38; Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you
mircea_popescu: that may be true or not, but it's really irrelevant - i'm not interchangeable with the people i call idiots. meanwhile im sure intestinal worms, if i managed to get them, would live a happier life than him, and that IS relevant, because he IS interchangeable with my putative intestinal worms.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:26:34; mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but if you were in his position, you would scam, so...
pete_dushenski: like wearing one of his pantlegs. for one, you'll trip and fall on your face
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc << we did this entire thread when you thought leah goodman is set for lyf, and then we did it when bb started exposing the lulzy state of gawker contributors compensations, and so on.
mircea_popescu: how many times do we need to do the whole - stalin and ivan ivanov politruk own the same : 0. except stalin's 0 buys him some things and politruk's 0 does not ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and thereby - comparable. << this question, answered later.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:03:01; asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you keep doing this entire "handpuppet is the show!!" thing. did inaba do bfl ? what else we believe ?
mircea_popescu: the relationship between buterin and the mit-driven, elen shoe or what's her stupid name managed alt-bitcoin scam is approximately the same as the relationship between preet bharara and the us rogue state.
mircea_popescu: we're cordially invited to hang the idiot(s) and imagine this does something.
mircea_popescu: i'd link a famous ro play on the topic, but i fear i'm overdoing the obscure romanian stuff.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit about buterin myself, yet another amir taaki, like the antonoderp (- did he do neo bee btw ? )
mircea_popescu: mno. there's the mysterious phtysic scammer in the pics that meanwhile disappeared, between "danny" and the schmucky head of the nicosia uni it dept.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this thinking costs you nothing, so by all means.
trinque: I would like to hear an example of a scammer that was capable of holding onto capital.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not bad, but it's specifically from the lolference they organised.
trinque: I find it far more likely that such a bent mind blows through whatever pile he amasses because he's as dishonest inwardly as outwardly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would it not help ? because you show systematic bias in very peculiar manner which experience with humans indicates to be coming from psychogenic source, which means that nothing may help except resolution of the respective psychological conflict.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah, they were seated at a table, names in greek script on papers in front
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mircea_popescu: so it's more fun for you to be her or less fun for her to be you ?
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can't seem to dig up the neo bee pic in question atm, but at least i now have a mental image of it with which to scan the archives. not sure i've ever seen the original even once, however.
trinque: this notion of "if I were someone else" is exactly what I was addressing with "both you and he will die someday" ftr
trinque: the war against metaphysical thinking is far greater than that against merely god
trinque: not like I'd claim victory in that one just yet either, but it's a thing
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trinque: mircea_popescu: I've not seen it addressed better than your from causes vs towards purpose
mircea_popescu: one doesn't have to go to war with the salt in order to stop oversalting his food to the point of inedibility.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
trinque: someone who isn't pobre, clearly!
pete_dushenski: and alf thought just ustards were materially wealthy without any culture worth the mention. look ! it's a worldwide sensation ! like justin bieber !
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mircea_popescu: doctor wants me to eat less butter. slavegirl is like "well you know... i could make those banana muffins without butter or oil" "o yeah ? what are you going to make them with, piss ? russian prison muffins ?" "yeah! i could make... research facility muffins."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the argentines are fucktarded re money beyond what is comprehensible or readily imaginable. their idea essentially is "o you got sum ? gimme!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that yellow snow ain't piss, my dear fellow.
mircea_popescu: re the apts lulz : understand that the >4x price differential relates to a 40% surface area differential. somehow.
mircea_popescu: i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control.
pete_dushenski: a husband and wife working are greater than the sum of their parts in argenmaths
mircea_popescu: they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl)
mircea_popescu: they all have this plaintive "whio could have foreseen" and "we have to go to the judge to make this right" etc.
mircea_popescu: no reports in the press, of course, they're too busy discussing how "not a single woman less" because totally, they're killing to many women around here, appartently.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems
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pete_dushenski: "not a single woman less" << exactly subject of last contravex. city here goes through whole charade trying to prevent bridge jumpers... off one one single bridge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... does the code do any of the things it claims ?
mircea_popescu: yeah but afais it doesn't do any of htre things claimed ?
pete_dushenski: why not just require 20' of barbed wire on top of all building >2 stories ? because it can't. still, "we tried" (tm)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the fancy socialmedia tards are all about how "femicidio" is a thing.
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could possibly not be outraged by the proposition that murder is gender-different
mircea_popescu: nah, apparently govt doesn't like males disciplining the household cows.
pete_dushenski: menstruation is also outrageously biased, more anal-spikes needed to rectify this social crisis
pete_dushenski: orifice bleeding for everyone, a chicken in every oven !
mircea_popescu: i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50.
mircea_popescu: as it is, it's fucking common to see an entire outdoor cafe filled with nothing but singles of these derps sitting there all important and shit.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so "what they're on about" is the once in a lifetime hurricane, the homegrown pope, the meteor, the exceptional event that they have no frame of reference with which to process
mircea_popescu: actually come to think about it, that's what i should do. start a "beat nags club". get a prize per extracted tooth or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their poisonous influence is felt throughout.
mircea_popescu: argentina suffers from a bit of german pox. specifically, they had a military junta in the 70s, it beat the shit out of the tards, but eventually failed economically.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
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mircea_popescu: this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building.
mircea_popescu: (this is rather sensible - wtf is the meaning of title on an indivise real estate item ?)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the custom of shitholes, such as romania, russia etc, is to issue title on apts.
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mircea_popescu: ok, but title is about some important things. for instance : can't acquire title on good without egress.
mircea_popescu: consequently, splits of property are required to include servitudes on the outer plots.
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mircea_popescu: and the problem doesn't end with egress. suppose i wanna take down a wall. "can't - building will collapse" "but my title ?" "fuck your title, our wall".
jurov: here from law follows that you really own only air between the walls in a condo
mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yeah but this is why sanew people do not own real estate in the ustardia.
mircea_popescu: except in the us - quite a lot of legal precedent re spite spikes
mircea_popescu: you know anything of the history of the industrialization of the west ?
mircea_popescu: just because two items are separated to ease commerce does you no harm. buy them togetrher.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i can't acquire the title to that to heal my defect.
mircea_popescu: and i would similarly not object to land offered in fee simple if the immunity were separately available to reconstruct alodial title
mircea_popescu: hey, don't blame the hammer because idiots stick it up their ass. we already discussed the "inane collective rulesets" thing above.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and a collectively-owned staircase. << Also collectively metered water
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BingoBoingo: Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk
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