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asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in historic loose ends , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758001 << how to square this with >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637609 ( summary : classical bitcoin permits ~modification of old blocks~ via the idjit 'tx replace' mechanism. even though -- as i understand -- it'd split the network if actually ever deployed. which it was not, not even in prb. but theoretically still permitted by the protocol. ) ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone intellectually honest still holds any notion that the prb crew is in any way working to fix or improve bitcoin.
asciilifeform: as for nodes at the 'tip', the path of chinesium through layers of prb is a lottery, and i suspect that attempting to measure the effect of a trb patch on said behaviour is doomed to astrologize over noise
shinohai: http://archive.is/5AOg5 << Run moar prb ... "I dont know how i got hacked, i use my laptop just for coldstorage, i turn it on and all my BTC are gone."
BigTexasBingo: Perhaps the foundation could use some prb/trb bridges on boxen running both after the acceleration experiments bring more fruit.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, the absolute all-time champ at never-lagging in asciilifeform's house of horrors is... an ancient (circa 2013..?) prb !! e.g. currently at 500849
ben_vulpes: anyways i must have an extra-thick layer of prb, as my node has found precisely one block in the past three hours
mircea_popescu: i don't see any change in behaviour. the prb node will produce ~same % of blocks with or without.
asciilifeform: ... as mircea_popescu prolly intuited , it remains possible that 'aggression' takes the trb<->prb link breakage from , say, the 80% of before, to 100% , and i would not learn about it until reaching tip.
asciilifeform: the current test on zoolag, however, is mighty interesting: after floundering in a sea of prb for ~hour, thing's been loading blocks almost continuously. at this rate will actually sync in a week or so.
asciilifeform: if yer surrounded by ocean of prb, it does 0
mircea_popescu: anyways, loads of prb nodes also stuck 2 to 12 behind. even 20.
asciilifeform: ( as well as dozen hops of prb nonsense )
asciilifeform: the 1 caveat is that if the tx dun cut through the kilometre of prb and get to china, it dun get mined
mircea_popescu: bb broadfly has it, there's a narrow sliver of bw trb/prb can even use ; more than that it generally wastes.
asciilifeform: iirc recent prb ( as analyzed by jurov, still digging for the thread ) will simply drop you if you connect and report <0.7 .
mats: in regular practice i'm uncertain how to masquerade as prb without running a heathen node and plugging trb into that
asciilifeform: if it in fact has become impossible to get a tx out without emulating all of prb, we have a Problem
trinque: one which probably doesn't implement enough of the prb protocol to get banned
asciilifeform: ymean prb reddit ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 18:42 mircea_popescu: merv, or generally the mongol reduction of persia from a coupla million to a coupla hundred thousand is the fundamental civilisational act. not the building of the scum, but the purging of it. much like "writing prb" is not an achievement in computer science ; but purging it into trb is.
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised that 'linux foundation' and prb foundation ain't on that list
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, prb much like any other windows app does not natively produce data in portable format.
asciilifeform: incl. a prb one
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711819 << prb wasn't involved here, was operating on trb .dat's ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 17:17 asciilifeform: in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao.
asciilifeform: isn't even shy re regularly visiting, e.g., zurich, to confer with prb 'devs'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 21:10 asciilifeform: oooh hey hey hey lbj. i finally found out why prb folx like schnorr.
asciilifeform: in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is the problem, with pantsuit as prb alike : they lack the capacity to influence reality. at any point, arbitrarily long chain of "progress", unwound at 0 cost.
asciilifeform: ( i needed a prb for an experiment... )
asciilifeform: currently wondering if everybody's prb takes 2 days to walletrescan, or just mine.
asciilifeform: iirc was spotted in prb chat , harping re evil ol' mp&co, as recently as april
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703708 << i inevitably run into these when searching for prb-related docs / discussion ( currently in re recent lulzforq ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 07:33 tardigrade: ain't no taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine
tardigrade: ain't no taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine ☟︎
tardigrade: privacy: oh we must introduce mimblewimble to prb so the usg goons can't chase us (for our 1.234 btc holdings). because there's tile in bitcoin, you see - despite there not being
tardigrade: a swamp dweller with a question. seems like the next Ver-ified and/or prb 'attack' on bitcoin is shaping up to be about fungibility and privacy. What trilema and log material is essential to understanding taint, fungibility, title etc? Yes sorry for slow.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform experimented recently with various prb ( after couplae year pause ) and reports that they never in any way cured the 'happy to sit for hours waiting for block rain to fall into mouth' sync behaviour.
asciilifeform: there's a few interesting divergences from the protocol as commonly understood, in the actual clients ( esp prb ). for instance the capacity to backtrack orphan chains longer than a dozen or so is ~untested for eons
asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gpg was pretty much thrown in the prb pile.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 00:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696875 << it is conceivable you can reuse prb blockchains, if you care. not that there's anything wrong with rechecking the chain if oyu're in no hurry. expect a coupla months tho. and i suppose look into eatblock etc while at it. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: this is great idea, possibly will finally get even the dullest off prb.
asciilifeform: ( both openssl turd and the moar recent prb-proprietary one )
mircea_popescu: but yes, prb is an amateurish attempt at a non-compliant bitcoin node.
asciilifeform: but that mircea_popescu was actually right in 'prb != bitcoin' strictly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so at most prb goes away for a week.
asciilifeform: this was the latest prb handily indexed by jurov . possibly different logic in moar recents.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... though i can see what mircea_popescu means. prb would not, iirc, eat a highS block. and several other types that trb happily eats. << PRB will eat high S when in block. Will fail to propagate high S until mined.
asciilifeform: a rewind of the softfork nonsense would send prb to pluto
asciilifeform: ... though i can see what mircea_popescu means. prb would not, iirc, eat a highS block. and several other types that trb happily eats.
asciilifeform: prb wasn't truforked yet
mircea_popescu: haven't they been listing eg prb ever since ?
asciilifeform: keybasetronic 'crypto' is interesting parallel to, e.g., prb. in both cases the muppetmasters get to rejoice over 'user count' but weep when realizing that nobody of any import is in this count, and the net loot sums to 0
asciilifeform: iirc prb already is written to reject blocks that attempt to 'illicitly' spend the perfectly legitimately anyonecanspendolade
mircea_popescu: once that is in place, a proper p2p mechanism can be built and trb will work way the fuck better than prb ever could.
asciilifeform: at all other times, blox are a 'push' mechanism. and naturally ~100% of all incoming pushing is prb idiocy
asciilifeform: and the reason why asciilifeform has low opinion of ligo et al is that physics has been growing like winblowz api, like prb, like tumour, and not like growing child ( or 1600-1950 physics, for that matter )
asciilifeform: ^ specially designated prb heathen pit, apparently.
mircea_popescu: merv, or generally the mongol reduction of persia from a coupla million to a coupla hundred thousand is the fundamental civilisational act. not the building of the scum, but the purging of it. much like "writing prb" is not an achievement in computer science ; but purging it into trb is. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this item clearly gets rolled up into the "either move to ib or die with prb" eventual fork.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 20:19 mircea_popescu: idiot example #1 : peter todd & prb idiots came up with "a way to do things", which does not in fact work.
mircea_popescu: (to continue link above : the prb idiocy "oh code is spec" is not invented by the idiots for this occasion. it's universally at the basis of contemporaneous cs, and it's all permeating. it stars with the expectation that you can tell whether the code you wrote is correct BY WHETHER THE MACHINE WORKS. this is utter fucking nonsense!111 appealing to tweens, perhaps, but still nonsense.)
asciilifeform: theoretically trb & prb permit 'tx replacement' idiocy
BingoBoingo: If I recall a certain sede vacantist patched PRB in some way for big endian.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, mmm, on contemplation the issue might just be mp logotron reports "failed reorg" when the purporting-to-generate-reorg block failed to actually verify. old prb/trb don't.
asciilifeform: ain't that prb for years nao?
asciilifeform: ( jurov might have details, he had some proprietary thing of his own that required a prb in the loop, complained of massive headaches )
asciilifeform: iirc prb doesn't even maintain a socket with trb , starting with 11 or so
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:23 asciilifeform: iirc he's most of what's left of prb in terms of working hands, neh
asciilifeform: afaik prb hasn't 'verifyall' for years nao.
asciilifeform: iirc he's most of what's left of prb in terms of working hands, neh ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 20:48 asciilifeform: in other lulz, didjaknow, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/paymentserver.cpp#L111 << prb imports ssl certs ! the whole shit soup
asciilifeform: kinda hilarious, while the two 'cans of campbell soup' duke it out over massive-blox vs elephantine-blox, boring ol' workaday usgolade, e.g. 'pki', quietly made it into all prb variants
asciilifeform: in other lulz, didjaknow, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/paymentserver.cpp#L111 << prb imports ssl certs ! the whole shit soup ☟︎
asciilifeform: davout: per current trb rules (which , see earlier, is different from prb's ! even) A gotta be spent before it can reappear.
asciilifeform: so a prb user can be fucked during sync, so long as the fuckblock fed to him isn't numbered 91842 or 91880 ...
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0rc4#1670 << this is pretty great, prb turns 91842/91880 into a special case !
BingoBoingo: Still has required a few resets to overcome crapolade blackholes, but far less common after passing block 400,000 compared to 250,000 -350,000 where PRB unordered shit spewing of blocks complicates things
Framedragger: ..which means that the latter should be dropped eventually, i guess (but then cue my question 'why not just work on trb-i if no compatibility with heathen prb network')
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-12#1626220 << that thing requires prb to work ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it is a very false idea that what we say here "is in the open" and thereby "anyone could" etc. the prb devs can't, notwithstanding their own delusions of information and ability.
mircea_popescu: well, they were unspent before. fucking up the prb dried shit echafaudage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, didja ever calculate what would happen to trb (or for that matter prb) if one were to produce a colliding txid ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the hilarious bit is that prb munged up the script system beyond recognition, BUT they kept this turd! merely moved it, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/script/interpreter.cpp?v=0.10.0rc4#0256
mircea_popescu: i also dun get 2. how's the fact you already have the index you need related to the fact prb fucks up output selection ?
davout: found out that i in fact hallucinated the existence of this index, which may or may not have been added later on to prb, but was absent from trb
asciilifeform: where 'prb, prb everywhere, and not a drop to drink'
asciilifeform: likely, by a prb.
asciilifeform: or neither -- a prb-everywhere-and-not-a-drop-to-drink problem , conceivably.
asciilifeform: oooh hey hey hey lbj. i finally found out why prb folx like schnorr. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: q for prbologists, entomologists : why is schnorr signature algo so attractive to the prb folx ?
asciilifeform: i'd like to connect dulap to one, instead of trudging through ocean of prb
asciilifeform: it is the kind of thinking that gave us prb. as mircea_popescu described earlier today.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 23:20 asciilifeform: type2 ( pete_dushenski's ) is the garden variety shitflood. which is sometimes solved by ip ban, but only in the case of 'shrapnel addressed to occupant', i.e. idiot prb nodes wildly spamming crapolade, and not in the 'bullet with your name on it' case, where somebody actually has a sybil constellation drowning your trb node in liquishit, with no SINGLE ip misbehaving in any way
mircea_popescu: the problem with prb is that it's run by a specific sort of retard.