phf: asciilifeform: i've no idea why deedbot key is old, presumably it's fed from the same place that i use to up, and that's been refresh. i have the correct copy in btcbase's wot,
http://btcbase.org/data/wot/phf.asc phf: ooh a personalized circular
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 02:04 mircea_popescu: happy bday mod6
mod6: !%e trb 8 C "Remove BDB and integrate BitcoinFS" "Change ticket to integrate the BitcoinFS, once implemented." 6,7,33
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 8, Type: C, Subject: Remove BDB and integrate BitcoinFS, Antecedents: 6,7,33, Notes: Change ticket to integrate the BitcoinFS, once implemented.
mod6: ok, well, at least i've got some breadcrumbs back to that great convo lastnight.
☟︎ BingoBoingo of the monthly dispatches most eagerly awaits S.NSA as usual
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561232 << merely that wallet might reasonably be muntzed out of bitcoind proper into block-muncher-and-tx-indexer. topologically very similar to "reindex" and friends, but could eschew "wallet" idiocies involving change addresses and sensible address reuse.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 03:47 trinque: I will be interesting to hear what ben_vulpes has to say about this, given recent block-parsing adventures
ben_vulpes: my personal preference, if you can't spot the foreshadowing in my work, is to index the entire set of outputs on "to whom was this sent"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 49 minutes and 39 seconds
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 01:55 mod6: ok, well, at least i've got some breadcrumbs back to that great convo lastnight.
mircea_popescu: prolly the linchpin of the entire thing, if we can actually use off the shelf fs we can almost even proceed.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 03:16 ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561232 << merely that wallet might reasonably be muntzed out of bitcoind proper into block-muncher-and-tx-indexer. topologically very similar to "reindex" and friends, but could eschew "wallet" idiocies involving change addresses and sensible address reuse.
mircea_popescu: also, what do you mean "whom" ? address ? you'll have duplicate indexes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the Alert system having long been long purged << extra words!!!
BingoBoingo: In other news Qntra has been sitting at 2100 comments for some time now. There's a Qntest going on, so pls to correct.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they find it remarkable, it's the end game for middle class womanhood since well before the french revolution.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weirdly enough, the uk press moved to a "trump will win" stance, from sky to telegraph etc.
mircea_popescu:
https://archive.is/LCAnf << even the most rabid socialists. the tinge of schadenfreude, delicious as it may be, is still the only distinguishing decoration between "tory" and labour.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1561808 << i got prototype for that. there's only one method called from entire wallet codebase that injects the prepped up transaction into the general pool. i replaced it (or rather, right now it's augmented) with a shiva foreign call that takes a list of bytes, deserailizes it into transaction, and does the injection
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 03:16 ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561232 << merely that wallet might reasonably be muntzed out of bitcoind proper into block-muncher-and-tx-indexer. topologically very similar to "reindex" and friends, but could eschew "wallet" idiocies involving change addresses and sensible address reuse.
phf: yeah, it needs some more work. i think that wallet needs to be augmented do operations via shiva, but then instead of injecting it should do a call out into shiva of a byte list of transaction. once i get there, i'll do a post
mircea_popescu: alternatively, wallet could run as entirely separate process, and relay its txn by connecting to a node as if it were a node. except it asks for no txn.
phf: afaik wallet relies on some knowledge of blockchain, so airgapped solution will be a combination of blockchain eater and an augmented wallet. so you have two parallel nodes red and black. black sits on the wire and receives transaction, spitting blocks. you batch carry blocks to red, red eats them, you do your wallet operations, pick up serialized byte lists, carry them back to black, inject. etc
mircea_popescu: phf in principle wallet has all the knowledge of blockchain it cares about.
mircea_popescu: i'm not altogether sure such a drastic separation can be implemented - but it seems theoretically possible
mircea_popescu: IF the wallet is correctly implemented (as discussed, text files etc), then fixing any problem is trivial for the operator.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform EXACT same as the derps doing nuke security explained they expect in yest linked article. "that the authorised people can launch easily and no one else can period."
phf: but i think asciilifeform also had an imperative of keeping trb canonical sourth of all btc knowledge, so that wallet stays in (so that you can read and know what wallet even is), but you solve the separation by starting the daemon with different flags indicating intended usecase
mircea_popescu: bitcoin wallet is very literally superset of nuclear briefcase.
mircea_popescu: phf yes but it seems it was at least tacitly agreed a package of tools is acceptable rather than monolith.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also acceptable. but in neither these designs does wallet have access to blockchain.
mircea_popescu: it's just somehow assumed it does ; but there's no reason for it to.
mircea_popescu: they do not belong on an internet-connected machine, to be clear.
mircea_popescu: MAYBE something like "only open port is X and only process connects to it is Y and ALL Y does is push data out so and so" may work.
phf: well you have a concept of an airgapped node already. it's the one where you rely on a whole different networked node to build a blockchain for you, and inject blocks into your airgapped node for you. there's hell of attack vector here though
mircea_popescu: or any blocks in general. only you can spend, therefore only your updates are interesting to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don';t think the wallet should do only signing. it should also do coinbase selection.
phf: that seems tricky, as far as my work is concerned, definitely version 3
mircea_popescu: BUT! coinbase selection is the MOST IMPORTANT part of bitcoin privacy
mircea_popescu: and unsurprisingly, the one that got 0est of prb effort.
mircea_popescu: that finally got irretrievably broken as i reported here a while back.
mircea_popescu: now high-s are doublespent automatically by transactions that oficially "do not exist",
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that they are reported as doublespends.
mircea_popescu: pretty eggregious nonsense, vaguely surprised nobody gave a shit about it then, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: unless there's 17 btc to dream about and blood in the water from decapitated project nobody actually gives a shit about the network.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point being, the miner cartel brink-of-war event didn't proceed, but "equipment" derived from it is now widely deployed, and as you can observe it can selectively disappear txn from the mempool.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that those txn are valid in all respects.
mircea_popescu: this is quite likely how it works, though the taint is currently attached to the txn itself rather than the inputs. while supplies last, anyway.
mircea_popescu: because you simply can't get the taint out of the stupid head. it's born with it, will die with it.
mircea_popescu: thopugh i suspect the words urge and resist are misemployed.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the case that the current set of derps doing the mining will be allowed to continue remains dubious.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform works about as well as everything else usg.
mircea_popescu: anyway. to not get entirely sidetracked : the exact sense in which wallet should be separated from rest of trb needs a lot more thinking.
mircea_popescu is contemplating writing an article of these, with pros and cons etc.
mircea_popescu: the thing i proposed would fall in between, so this'd be three.
mircea_popescu: yes, that's a settled thing and i see no need to drag it into this other discussion and muddy it up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got loglink towhere we discussed wallet and how it should be a fucking text file ?
phf: sexps, sexps everywhere
mircea_popescu: for some reason i can't find it though i clearly recall ranting on it.
thestringpuller: as of current you have to dump block on TRB in order to manually grep for a tx-hash to use as an Input to construct a raw transaction
mircea_popescu: that was a horrible 15 minutes though. i was about to break the kbd
thestringpuller: phf: you don't have to inject blocks into your signing node. you don't even need a node to sign iirc? just raw transaction.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: explain how you need blockchain to sign tx?
phf: thestringpuller: you need blockchain to ~craft~ tx though
thestringpuller: yes. so I dont see why can't craft the tx first then move it physically to signing device
phf: you could, but ~i~ don't like that solution because then you're signing blind.
phf: you could probably have one black two red machines, wire node, tx crafting node, and a signing machine
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: unless tx you craft is gargantuan, I don't see how you couldn't do a partial audit of the non-signed tx that is spit out. in this context it would be best to check against multiple known TRB nodes the tx hashes are valid
thestringpuller: 1) why would you not check raw unsigned tx before even contemplating signing the thing if you suspect comprimisation?
thestringpuller: what pieces are there to check other than the inputs and the usigned outputs?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 15:11 asciilifeform: and as phf points out, it leaves you open to attack where the craftmachine is pwned and gives you a wallet-emptier to happily carry to the bunker and sign..
mircea_popescu: you might be misunderstanding computers. if you sign a tx on the basis of "it's what my node told me to sign", then the node's in charge not you.
mircea_popescu: there's a very fundamental difference between bare life, which evolves in between orders of behaviour relayed by computers ("now it's time to wake up! now click here!") and humanity, which uses computers strictly to answer questions.
mircea_popescu: and what you're proposing to do isn't having the computer answer a question ; but it's having the computer tell you what to do.
thestringpuller: from other internet connected box (airgapped machine isn't even in picture yet cuz tx is not ready for signature)
thestringpuller: then how would you construct reliable tx to begin without saving a record of all your UTXO's
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller go read teh article so that next i look for it you can say you had it saved a minute after i found it eh!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's already bookmarked and saved. inb4deedbot
thestringpuller: I have...i'll just write something up based on Ken Sheriff's stuff and then see if I can grok alf-ie
mircea_popescu: i'm very vaguely following the whole raft of wanna-be leading ladies & other zsa zsa gabors. i recall some pics with him and a model on a boat ; about on par with whatever bs comes out of that meathead who sold out to yahoo, then lost money on every single deal hence and imagines this makes him an entrepreneur
mircea_popescu: lol right. the sort of idiot who imagines tor is a thing, aka 20something potheads.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: like all of them. there's really a long list of these government "entrepreneurs" in all socialisms
mircea_popescu: if they spoke russian they'd be called oligarchs, but as it is...
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 15:39 mircea_popescu: lol right. the sort of idiot who imagines tor is a thing, aka 20something potheads.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 00:01 mircea_popescu: Framedragger what are you, like 26 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, wanna bet cuban is sitting somewhere thinking trump really proves he could be president in a decade ?
mircea_popescu: evidently using the same plastic surgeon kerry-heintz uses, so there is that going for him!
trinque: hell he does reality tv iirc
mircea_popescu: the cuban wiki entry is fucking hysterical. lengthy discussion of the shitty jobs the dork did in college. how come none of these go "and then he took rhetorics with elena dragos and was the only one to get a b in any of her classes that decade"
mircea_popescu: "during college he had various business ventures, including a bar, disco lessons, and a chain letter."
mircea_popescu: general in teh field gets to use his assets as he pleases.
mircea_popescu: back to the font of lulz, the official story is that clinton is losing because "kgb controls the fbi and there's badly behaved men!"
mircea_popescu: placenta abrupta is a) painful b) an emergency and c) really not the best way to go.
mircea_popescu: rivanol via foley works even better. safer. longer. etcetera
mircea_popescu: anyway. if they can make meth they can make ethacridine.
mircea_popescu: anyway. sigma aldrich sells it for $952.90/100grams, which is indeed laughable.
mircea_popescu: no i mean, 0.5% concentrated. 100grams 99% enough to make 4 gallons of the stuff.
mircea_popescu: ahhh the libertard butthurt pouring out of the election coverage is so delicious.
mircea_popescu: "With Nate Silver putting Trump on a 28.8 per cent chance of victory, it’s almost unbelievable that the race could be so close, given the consequences. A Russian puppet candidate with shady business affairs who hasn’t disclosed his tax returns, Trump has spent his campaign alienating minorities, horrifying women, offending religious and military voters, and having his career of awful business behaviour paraded in public.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: That he has been able to surf these scandals regularly as little more than free media opportunities shows that American democracy is in serious need of rehabilitation." << in my view, this settles an ancient point of contention curtis yarvin never manned up to, re "the cathedral" or generally how pervasive, or "in power" the idiots are.
mircea_popescu: together with the bitcoin and the urbit dispute respectively, this puts him 0 for 3.
mircea_popescu: can i be excused if i consider the matter forever put to rest, and deem nothing he ever said of any import or conceivable consequence whatsoever ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's directly evident the most rabid of libertards realised clinton ain't got it ; and are in their grief dealing mode. pronouncements that "the election is rigged" (phrased, of course, as "this was an unedifying year" blabla), assurances that "whoever wins will be a single term president" as if that fixes anything ; even a pretense that putin will take advantage of trump. specifically. as if a) it isn't in the nature
mircea_popescu: of things for the stronger to take advantage of the obese shithead and b) anyone could get more buttraped by putin, or the world generally, than obama already has.
PeterL: If I were a woman, I don't think I would trust the purity of something made in somebodies garage to not have dangerous impurities
☟︎ PeterL: but yes, not horribly complicated molecule
PeterL: I guess if you are looking for a DIY abortion, impurities would be low on your scale of things to worry about
PeterL: depends on if there is an easy starting material, I'm still reading up on it
phf: you ever seen that dmt guide
phf: hmm, pretty sure the image is explicitly filtered out by google now :o
jurov: qntrola distributed
phf: used to be one of the first image hits for "dmt synthesis", a screenshot of a chanboard poast of making dmta "out of household objects"
☟︎ shinohai: !~google Walter White's blue meth recipe
PeterL: perhaps, what are we synthesizing?
phf: failing to find it so far, i think it's the one where we talked about looking through dirt for useful synths and how nobody is doing it (but when they do they get mad gains)
☟︎ phf: no, but i suppose electricity is involved
PeterL: not a very selective way of doing things though
PeterL: blast it and see what you get out kinda thing?
phf: wait, i'm missing the punchline. i guess brute force here means, that you don't have an optimal process, but rather exploit given environment to achieve objective no matter what?
PeterL: what would be the purpose of this?
☟︎ PeterL: it would still be much easier to generate a synthetic pathway from what is available
PeterL: have you ever done separations of organics trying to get a very low percentage product into something usable?
PeterL: until you go all the way back to common starting materials, then it is final solution
PeterL: so we need a sort of "frozen" archive of "how to make X, which you need to make Y", sort of like how trb has frozen deps
☟︎ PeterL: yes, I have thought about this
PeterL: you end up needing something like wikipedia to hold it all
PeterL: I mean, not specifically wikipedia, just there are a lot of topics that each connect to one another
PeterL: write down skills with words, how else? arn't we literate people?
PeterL: have article in megabook describing geology and identification of minerals
PeterL: I assume that postapocalypse world you start by building small plane, learn to fly that, before moving onto mig
PeterL: so have article on identifying minerals in junkyard?
PeterL: I suspect this would depend on the year of the truck?
PeterL is not metalurgist, does not know how much variation goes into these things
ben_vulpes: as evidenced by the usg-blessed rocketry associations insistent whine that rockets may only go up.
PeterL: gyrojet is so futuristic weapon, shame it didn't make the cut
ben_vulpes rather fond of simple barrages over gyrojet projectiles
PeterL: should have made round slightly bigger, allow carrying explosive to target
ben_vulpes: trade the explosive for a bit of mass and a bit more propellant.
PeterL: IIRC, they were slightly too big and fell under the "dangerous weapons" regulations anyway, should have gone all the way to mini-rpg
ben_vulpes: the 'g' of grenade is a shameful waste of mass budget imho.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what application for thermite, armor?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: as systems engineer, charges are complex, and 'simple' 'v' that 'doesn't get me that far' gets me pretty far.
PeterL: ben_vulpes wants a 'rpp'? rocket-propelled projectile?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-17 05:10 mircea_popescu: no, you can't do that, because air friction.
thestringpuller: this is exactly why guys in suits show up to your front door if you launch a multistage "model rocket" from your back yard
thestringpuller: luckily you don't have to go through great lengths to bribe local county airport in bumfuck no where
thestringpuller: which ironically in th elocale legend a farmer launched a two stage rocket into the sea from here
thestringpuller: i.e. "You're the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope."
thestringpuller: just cause you can buy weight from the comfort of your mom's basement does not mean you have capacity to sling said dope on street.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: woods << wasn't this the premise of October Sky (the rocket boys?!?) from West VA back in the 50's?
PeterL: I've never made a multi-stage rocket, but me and my kids made a rocket out of a soda bottle and powered it with isopropanol, that was pretty fun
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 16:46 PeterL: If I were a woman, I don't think I would trust the purity of something made in somebodies garage to not have dangerous impurities
mircea_popescu: (to be clear : 14F catheter is inserted in the lus (lower uterine segment). the baloon is then inflated to ~5ml, and under light traction 100ml of 0.15% solutin in introduced as drip over 10 minutes. no antibiotics needed, abortion occurs within hours.)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:08 phf: failing to find it so far, i think it's the one where we talked about looking through dirt for useful synths and how nobody is doing it (but when they do they get mad gains)
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562147 << it is, or at least was, the explanation of "how life begun". nevertheless, this method fails amply for organic compounds : fill a tube with a all the organic compounds you can think dilute in the same solvent, run electrictity through it, congrats you have some lightly chlorinated toilet water.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:11 asciilifeform: it is not an ~economical~ way to make (almost) anything.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562159 << he was born in soviet russia. there isn't a purpose, just, electricity is all he's got besides "the power of the soviets", and while neither can fill a hand before pissing in it would, nevertheless at least electricity DOES SOMETHING.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:14 PeterL: what would be the purpose of this?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:19 asciilifeform: PeterL: you would be surprised at what commonplace thing can be abolished by great inca. i was astonished, after moving to usa, that you cannot buy potassium permanganate in drug store here.
mircea_popescu: fucking savagery. and it probably started "for your own good", as these things always go.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:21 PeterL: so we need a sort of "frozen" archive of "how to make X, which you need to make Y", sort of like how trb has frozen deps
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:23 asciilifeform: how the fuck do you write down ~hand skills~
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:24 asciilifeform: and the feedstock problem is not escapable in postindustrial world. e.g., one can make nitric acid from, say, copper sulfate, saltpetre, and water. but where in the forest do i dig up copper sulfate ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 19:29 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562147 << it is, or at least was, the explanation of "how life begun". nevertheless, this method fails amply for organic compounds : fill a tube with a all the organic compounds you can think dilute in the same solvent, run electrictity through it, congrats you have some lightly chlorinated toilet water.
mircea_popescu: yes but most organics are not "thermodynamically plausible" to use your terminology, making it misguiding. put caveat "if it's not organic, or interesting (ie explosives)"
mircea_popescu: it's actually diagnosis for spark : looking for weird.
mircea_popescu: (in some ind processes, the "was there a spark" is mn dollar question post disaster)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 19:31 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562159 << he was born in soviet russia. there isn't a purpose, just, electricity is all he's got besides "the power of the soviets", and while neither can fill a hand before pissing in it would, nevertheless at least electricity DOES SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: if you're gonna do that better off doing resonant cavity em
mircea_popescu: in ~principle~ all chemistry as practiced now could be changed to phys-chem through the process of, put substance inside magical cavity, shoot the right beams at the right atoms.
mircea_popescu: but this technology is 50 years away, idiots are too busy making "3d guns" out of the practical equivalent of a large plastic coathanger injector and other stencils.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be the "surprising nobody could have predicted what will those zany scientist kids think of next" of our old age.
mircea_popescu: and we'll be all "oh, good thing you did the rape thing first then mkay. THAT was the emergency"
mircea_popescu: this entire "elective" driver for human activity is the pits.
mircea_popescu: human civilisation was built by very intelligent, special, sensitive doods DOING WHAT THEY WERE MOTHERFUCKING TOLD
PeterL: at my previous employer there was an equipment showcase, bunch of vendors showing off new stuff, one guy brought a shoebox sized nmr, blew my mind a bit
PeterL: didn't get to put my hands inside
PeterL: seemed like it was limited in application, would be ok for some sorts of process management or something, completely useless for what I was doing
PeterL: If I remember correctly, low resolution
PeterL: basically it was like a 100 MHz, I only use 500 and up
PeterL: it could work with a flow cell, which would be cool for monitoring a process, but the low resolution would make it very bad for identification work
mircea_popescu: yeah. just, you know, the miniaturization itself is important.
mircea_popescu: i mean "the miniaturization is important in itself", ie, even if obviously won't work to move large bodies, it's integral to the magical cavity.
thestringpuller: looking through my research there doesn't seem to be a conclusion to hardware RNG thread
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:25 asciilifeform: PeterL: would you fly as passenger in a mig that i offer you a ride in after reading 'how to mig' b0000k by, say, mthreat ?
mircea_popescu: would you want someone working on trb on the basis of having read the book or on the basis of having watched "the videos" ?
mircea_popescu: there is a thin sliver of stuff your training is useful for ; but most accidents, including with planes, including with controlled flight into terrain, come from not having read the book.
mircea_popescu: note that the place where good training would have helped (concorde crashed into hotel ; smolensk lulz ; etc), the training though present didn't do anything, and nobody thought it proper to blame anyone for this.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-29 17:55 asciilifeform: i really can't fathom the purpose of buying a mystery meat hardware rng. if you're willing to eat mystery meat, why not use the vlsi turd found in current cpu?
thestringpuller: i'd rather attempt at raising my own shitty veal rather than continuing to eat mystery meat until end of lie
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform name one such basic. "don't suck through your nose from reagent bottle" ?
hanbot:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161102/#279 << incredible collection of idiot euphemisms on that page. "provides vertically integrated production", srsly?! also, attempted to make some preserves of it with archive.is, which is broken/dead/? atm, so here's another bitchlog on that ongoing fire....
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-02: [15:46:51] <mircea_popescu> the cuban wiki entry is fucking hysterical. lengthy discussion of the shitty jobs the dork did in college. how come none of these go "and then he took rhetorics with elena dragos and was the only one to get a b in any of her classes that decade"
hanbot: well in the same manner as'd be a museum of vinyl siding, sure.
hanbot: oh hey, i made it but can't load it. huzzah.
mircea_popescu: you don't handboil anymore ; there's magnetic stirrers specifically because of this skill being expensive. etc.
mircea_popescu: the way it works is, two chunks of hardware that have to be interfaced are briefly interfaced by biofilm, until a proper solution is put in place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose i missed all those steam pressure gauges in cars etc.
mircea_popescu: that it doesn't happen all the time, or within a short enough interval doesn't change the fact that it's the one mode of industry.
mircea_popescu: at some point oil was carried by barrel. then by trainload. then piped.
mircea_popescu: when i first got laid i had nobody there to show me how it's done so i made do as best i could.
mircea_popescu: the problem is material quality. they'd cost ~1mn, which is not what people wanna pay for cessna. they wanna pay 100k, and they do.
mircea_popescu: "intelligent" plastic (ie, with electric bending cell infrastructure) would be pretty cool
mircea_popescu: hasn't changed hands yet, but arguably the iraqis are edging into actual city.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 20:30 mircea_popescu:
https://archive.is/62PUQ << apparently it worked alright, supposing you hit it ~10 mins ago ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:45 asciilifeform is of the - admittedly armchair - notion that 'backyard artillerists' oughta focus on rockets, lower pressure, better... 'bang for buck'
mircea_popescu: im sure zimbabweans from actual zimbabwe do even funnier shit
mircea_popescu: not everyone's quite as castrated as "civilised" folk, you could say.
mircea_popescu: "and what have you learned in the city, billy bob ?" "oh ma, i have learned how to fail before i even try!"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 17:56 ben_vulpes: nobody shows up at any doors, sheesh
mircea_popescu: the difference between the placid capon and the overactive to mask impotence capon is not substantial.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who was in mosul before ? eskimos ? << Assyrians
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> people still use okcupid now that tindr exists? << mp doesn't have a guide to beating tindr
thestringpuller: but grindr is actually used more now for drug dealing iirc
mircea_popescu: historically gayness was mostly used for drug dealing in the first place.
ben_vulpes: what historic drugs are we talking about?
ben_vulpes: i guess the argument kinda falls apart on 'historic' grounds, 'gayness' not being much of a thing pre late 1800s
ben_vulpes: qua "men who only have sex with other men"?
ben_vulpes: and you'll say that my cursory research finding that he slept with a few ladies to be entirely wrong?
mircea_popescu: well, the notion that gayness is incompatible with that IS very much a late 1800s thing.
mircea_popescu: would you say a woman that also fucks plastic isn't heterosexual ?
ben_vulpes: no, i'd say that "historic drugs" fits quite nicely into the same time window as "gay = only fucks men"
mircea_popescu: especially if you define "drugs" as "what the people who think gay = only fucks men would think drugs are"
ben_vulpes: and not even the high proof stuff at that.
mircea_popescu: depends, they drank all sorts of swill. including jerez port absynth whatnot.
mircea_popescu: basically, the whole medieval period lived on hobo wine. cheap, sweetened, etc. the exact thing, midnight thunder or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: except in the north where wine dun grow the poor drank beer.
shinohai: I always imagined they were drinking Night Train in The Name of the Rose.
mircea_popescu: very likely correct. though some northern monasteries did brew beer.
mircea_popescu: (note that medieval beer has no hops, as a result doesn't keep, it's a lot closer to braga than what passes for beer today)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cognac, ie the first distilled spirit, is about half a millenium old by now.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> basically, the whole medieval period lived on hobo wine. cheap, sweetened, etc. the exact thing, midnight thunder or w/e it's called. << Thunderbird, Night Train, Mad Dog, Wild Irish Rose, and Cisco. RIP Ripple.
BingoBoingo: Mad Dog doesn't really count anymore since they "rebranded" with blig.
BingoBoingo: Just so long as a plot kept Elliot's will from making him an hero.
BingoBoingo: Anyways Make Great, Great Again. A bunch of hillary supporters burned a black church and wrote "Vote Trump" on it to mobilize the black vote.
BingoBoingo: Make Great Great Again: "You’re hardly irresponsible with your funds. You’re saving a decent sum of money and working on paying down debt. As for your company: It sounds like it won’t be a lifetime job. You can easily permit yourself the spending on your cat." <<
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