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asciilifeform: or rather, speaking of the wedge block
asciilifeform: that's not enough to wedge
asciilifeform: i'll bite. what else will perma-wedge if usg clock moves 2h into the past for a day ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc asciilifeform saw the same wedge spot for a bit.
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 23:23:15; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:18; thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node?
thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 19:00:13; ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number?
ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number? ☟︎
asciilifeform: this appears to be the proximate cause of the wedge
ascii_modem: how many other ways for fuckers to wedge us
decimation: ^ guy had to wedge relational database into ancient unix shit
ascii_field: iirc this got lost in the noise of the great wedge thing at the time
ben_vulpes: the version of openssl you and alf found to not wedge bitcoind?
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 01:10:30; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was the lock limit
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was the lock limit ☟︎
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: can you give an example of a 'wedge' which could be pounded in to create this fork ?
ben_vulpes: eg does it wedge reproducibly, etc.
asciilifeform: but at any rate they do not end up wedged in practice (folks with $maxint have built otherwise conventional cpu without clock using c-gate, they don't wedge)
asciilifeform: because an ordinary logic gate can enter a 'metastable' wedge-state if it is given a 'pathological' input transition (i.e. you try to use the output before the inputs are stable)
decimation: asciilifeform: pounding a wedge between usg and its ability print bezzlars is the proper route of resistance
BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks
thestringpuller: do you have specific usecase for inducing the wedge?
punkman: I compiled and run up to wedge on deb 7
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks. this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting. tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001. It's all in the logs.
thestringpuller: mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge
thestringpuller: mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge?
BingoBoingo: The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it
BingoBoingo: Passed the wedge block at 169390
BingoBoingo: Wedge block coming up
thestringpuller: mod6: ugh dat wedge
BingoBoingo: 84204, over half way to the first wedge block
mod6: the current hypothesis is that if you're not running 1.0.1g openssl you'll wedge @ 168,001
mod6: and now wedges for some crazy reason. now I'm gonna upgrade to 1.0.1g there as well (just upgraded my deb6 on vbox vm to start with) and try to pass the wedge too.
danielpbarron: mine didn't wedge
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually this very wedge (though differing tx id) has been documented in the past. see last night's log.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint
danielpbarron: height=176772 << no wedge here
asciilifeform: mod6: make a copy of .bitcoin shortly prior to wedge
mod6: got 100k blocks to go until i probably re-wedge @ 168k
asciilifeform: mod6: for the wedge
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000 << us either, until 72 hours ago
asciilifeform: the 'bastard' variant will wedge, however, for up to an hour (in my experiments)
asciilifeform: mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000
asciilifeform: perma-wedge - silently hangs on restart
asciilifeform: ^ new type of perma-wedge
asciilifeform: after ~15 min, 950 (iirc) bastards, 85MB max footprint - reached a wedge state at 119970 (1983 bastards, came in burst)
mircea_popescu: generally it ends up twisted in the position where the other kids drive the wedge of forcing him to do things his magic wand disapproves of.
xiando: that bitcoin in commieland is starting to look like a wedge don't it http://btccharts.everdot.org/2015-01-16/wedgey.jpg oh well
ben_vulpes: the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: well, in one case (~2? years, not six months) - hard-wedge.
kakobrekla: idk if 'wont wedge' is enough for ascii at this point, but gj!
mod6: This month I've been doing testing with the patched version of the reference implementation. Main object here is to get from genesis block to current block, while being able to get past the wedge block 252450. I was able to do that, but not only did we test with ascii's patches and ben's UPNP patch, I added a patch (http://dpaste.com/1G3XY64) that removes the checkpoints, and a patch (http://dpaste.com/1K5M2TN) to configure BDB so the R.I. won't
asciilifeform: above is a wedge run, in 'standard' mode (vs. single connect)
mod6: first, we just wanted to bypass the wedge block so we can catch up to the main chain.
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 *wedge* is luke_jr's fault
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the free market naturally evolves towards a corner to wedge itself in.
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3U/Q9/ZX1NXBL/memory-month.png < the spike is the wedge
mircea_popescu: <decimation> undata: abortion is a complex issue that ends up being used as a wedge on both sides << abortion is only "complex" because it is undefined. the actualy issue is, who owns the woman. if the husband owns the wife "abortion" is no problem. if the wife owns the husband, idem. nonsensical "middle of the road" dualities that can't stand, where the wife is really a husband all by herself, except not really are ne
decimation: undata: abortion is a complex issue that ends up being used as a wedge on both sides
nubbins`: so i could more-or-less easily check the wedge point
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: got a wedge?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903730 << ascii reported wedge at 252450 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i'll be quite amused if i fail to wedge it
ben_vulpes: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.00 , https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.01 for those looking to wedge a blockchain of their own
ben_vulpes: this abomination is what's edging my copy of 0.5.3 up to the wedge point: http://pastebin.com/itWYUk9f
assbot: [Bash] #!/bin/bash TEST_DATA_DIR=aplace WEDGE_BLOCK=999999 clean_data_dir() { - Pastebin.com
ben_vulpes: Adlai: additionally, i'm scripting the approach to the wedge point so that i can reproduce both the wedge and it not happening trivially with git bisect and other scripts
Adlai envisions a method of automatically sussing out the wedge point, but it requires the use of automation tools...
ben_vulpes: i'm working to crap out a "blockchain" that i can use to test this wedge
ben_vulpes: is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
asciilifeform: here's another tidbit from 'valgrind' runs - leak is very slow prior to wedge, then appears to speed up
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> not directly a cause of the wedge though
asciilifeform: not directly a cause of the wedge though
ben_vulpes: my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool.
asciilifeform: decimation: because non-deterministic - once db is corrupt, wedge.
ben_vulpes: and if unpatched - 0.5.3 will wedge at some large block.
assbot: 29 results for 'wedge' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wedge
nubbins`: !s wedge
asciilifeform: nubbins`: now you too can watch it wedge.
TomServo: "Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified." << seems like an odd point to wedge in amongst the rest.
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge << a wedge ?!
decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge
decimation: russia would love to shower scotland with bezzlars so he could use them as a wedge to split the eu
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : introducing mp's cheap drug substitutes. 1. find an item half an inch to an inch tall. 2. wedge it under the foot of your screen, so it's inclined. 3. continue with your daily business. 4. remove the thing. 5. enjoy the unnerving feeling that perfectly level writing is fucking angled.
benkay: vision for next 2 years is to grab bigger and bigger slices of the pie, maybe using mobile as a wedge and demonstrating kickassery and then expanding scope to whatever can be had and paid for.
Ghaleon: Mircea, good point about driving a wedge between ruope and the usa
mircea_popescu: he should simply speak of the us, drive the eu wedge all the way.
Vexual: theres that wedge tail, so beatie
asciilifeform: and drives a wedge between user groups with conflicting interests (existing stakeholders want a difficult-to-mine coin, those who invested in miners want the miners to keep working)
asciilifeform: benkay: two-step mold process. positive shape, wedge into clay for negative mold, bake, cast metal.
Vexual: weve got fucking wedge tailed eagles which are way more boss, and would beast a bald eagle in any competition imaginable except baldness, and we just go about our business and don't parade our awesome eagles much very oft at all
optimator: Competitive Wedge? not Edge?
ozbot: Bitcoin Payments Could Quickly Become Competitive Wedge In Online Gaming - Forbes
ThickAsThieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/06/27/bitcoin-payments-could-quickly-become-competitive-wedge-in-online-gaming/
KRS-1: so I'm seeing a falling wedge which indicates an overall rising price
KRS-1: i was seeing bouncing cat at first then rising wedge..this must be hype?
KRS-1: is it just me or am I still looking at a rising wedge here..i'm still holding on my orders.
dub: KRS-1: like most music fads its popularity is a wedge