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mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00032215 = 33.1815 BTC [-]
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/silk-road-moderator-pleads-guilty-faces-life-imprisonment/
trinque: how the fuck is anything to do with drugs "life in prison"
asciilifeform: trinque: it was never about the dope per se
trinque: asciilifeform: rather, the successful bitcoin business?
asciilifeform: even prior to bitcoin
asciilifeform: it's about 'imperio in imperium'
cazalla: trinque, i changed it to could face, my bad
trinque: cazalla: well even so
cazalla: i'm sure they'll want to make an example though
trinque: killers routinely get what, 15-20?
trinque: we must be 10 years off from televising torture for public entertainment, if that
trinque: maybe it's a calculated targeting of such and so, but I think the mindless bloodlust of american culture also plays a part
trinque: *especially* when the target is involved in some kind of techno-nerd shit. take him down! he thinks he's better than us!
asciilifeform: trinque: 'full spectrum dominance'
trinque: spot on
asciilifeform: and megalomaniacal 'gott mit uns' items like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Nrol-39.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwGGb )
trinque: asciilifeform: heh, always makes me laugh to consider what the mouth is resting on
asciilifeform: http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/NROL-39-rocket-with-logo-650x427.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwLcT )
trinque: arse too if I recall octopus anatomy
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/dBtkHzl.jpg << moar
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwS8f )
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/VWy1bgE.jpg << yet moar
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzwQNy )
cazalla: once he's locked up, perhaps i'll write him a letter asking why he didn't fight extradition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71910 @ 0.00033024 = 23.7476 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: if i had to guess, he was likely told they'd take it easy on him and public defender told him to go with it
asciilifeform: cazalla: also not proven fact that he didn't
trinque: asciilifeform: lol @ anubis' missile-cock
asciilifeform: usg must be assumed to lie unless there is actual reason to suspect it may have told the truth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16990 @ 0.00033073 = 5.6191 BTC [+]
cazalla: of course, but he was arrested december 2013, waived rights march 2014 and shipped off in november 2014, didn't take long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00032296 = 24.8356 BTC [-]
trinque: cazalla: could just be one of those self-defeating types that gets into such things due to psychological issues
trinque: then one day the govt shows up at his door and he pisses himself
cazalla: even the aussie guy from drink or die fought off his extradition for 4-5 years
mircea_popescu: !up ohhahh
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> it's about 'imperio in imperium' << quite.
mircea_popescu: lol at that octopus thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92200 @ 0.00033222 = 30.6307 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: trinque actually likely has it.
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-03-2015#1051552 << J. Smith vision is 'Earth will be transformed into a sea of glass populated by those who deserve the glory of god', no rocket needed ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 06:37:11; asciilifeform: was j. smith's version, iirc
asciilifeform: https://youtu.be/xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << linguistic/historical interest only. didn't know there was an engl. transl. of this. even a pretty bad one.
assbot: На поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhXcUB )
danielpbarron: !up AlexWkz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91700 @ 0.00033054 = 30.3105 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: PeterL what, like goldfish ?
PeterL: sure, I guess that works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00033342 = 11.9698 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58788 @ 0.00033452 = 19.6658 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'PS [nsa police] is the only police and security organization in Maryland equipped with vehicle-mounted thermal imaging devices.' -- nsa newsletter circa 1999, pp. 10. ( http://cryptome.org/2015/03/nsa-newsletters-1999.pdf )
asciilifeform: mega-lol re: 'whaleclub', which apparently requires proprietary turdware to connect to! ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'teamspeak' - something kinda like 'skype'
asciilifeform: will the lulz never end?
mike_c: they aren't pretending to be bigshots, it's just a bunch of TA's derping around
mike_c: (technical analysts)
asciilifeform: regardless of who or why
asciilifeform: the proprietary chat client thing is hilarious
asciilifeform: i mean, wtf ?!
mike_c: how else to do it?
mike_c: it's voice chat
asciilifeform: why is voice chat even a thing
mike_c: gaming. for them, idk. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00033823 = 26.2128 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: surprised they're using it tbh, mumble is far more popular in recent years
decimation: mumble is open source
decimation: asciilifeform: for online gamers voice chat is popular for obvious reasons
asciilifeform: but that isn't what they're doing
cazalla: asciilifeform, even if Ts wasn't proprietary, it'd be pointless to download as you can't just connect and chat with them
cazalla: which is what i was gonna do last night ya know, bit of a chit chat, bit of a yarn but nope, gotta wait in some other room to be screened
decimation: lol they have some kind of moderator in the 'screen room'?
cazalla: didn't hang around to find out
cazalla: on one hand i get it, ya don't want random drunks coming in carrying on while you're having a conversation, but they are easily muted
decimation: asciilifeform: supposedly panasonic has a good reputation in the passives market
asciilifeform: decimation: betcha it wasn't always a 'made in china' affair
asciilifeform: (clearly printed on the bobbin, note, are these words)
cazalla: ;;later tell xanthyos if you ever manage to break your cock again, i read you can now get a replacement in south africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31876219
assbot: BBC News - South Africans perform first 'successful' penis transplant ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOoJOL )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: the japanese are famous for highly specialized component manufacturing
asciilifeform: not only
asciilifeform: to this day the only genuinely reliable electrolytic capacitors are, afaik, from jp
asciilifeform: and folks have a devil of a time chasing down specifically these, and not identically-marked cn turds
decimation: yeah, and companies like murata that have a corner on ceramic filters, etc
mircea_popescu: !up tooty|atk
mircea_popescu: !up nomen
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i mean, wtf ?! << it's widely used by gamers.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah but 'traders'?
mircea_popescu: decimation actually traders use a very similar thing to replace phones
mircea_popescu: equally proprietary, at least.
mircea_popescu: re: electronic bits. funny what's left once a major empire collapses. japan used to own the electronics trade. and they still do, except... it's mostly moved away from the stuff they make.
decimation: yeah much japanese manufacturing has moved to china
decimation: http://io9.com/kim-stanley-robinson-says-colonizing-mars-wont-be-as-ea-1691315529 < no shit
assbot: Kim Stanley Robinson Says Colonizing Mars Won't Be As Easy As He Thought ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mzlhb0 )
mircea_popescu: lmao
decimation: 'imaginary mars was totally easy to colonize'
mircea_popescu: best make a kickstarter
decimation: http://www.space.com/21554-mars-toxic-perchlorate-chemicals.html < most amusing part
assbot: Toxic Mars: Astronauts Must Deal with Perchlorate on the Red Planet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzllaL )
mircea_popescu: wait till they discover the CARBON
mircea_popescu: it's worse than global warmed earth!
decimation: apparently mars is 1% perchlorate which fucks with your thyroid
decimation: your jug of bleach is sodium perchlorate, this is calcium perchlorate, but the idea is similar - concentrated bleach
mircea_popescu: so apparently there's exactly one producer of niobium oxide capacitors, and you can't put an order in.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : it'd seem on cursory inspiection that the components market is actually not very healthy.
mircea_popescu: "Perchlorate is not a common word in the English language; all of us had to go and look it up," << pls resign now.
decimation: heh yeah
mircea_popescu: " said Peter Smith, the Phoenix principal investigator at the University of Arizona in Tucson.
decimation: correction: your jug of bleach has sodium hypochlorite, not sodium perchlorite
mircea_popescu: it can have either
mircea_popescu: (perchlorate tho)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95350 @ 0.00033847 = 32.2731 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: at any rate, it's nasty shit
mircea_popescu: well you're not supposed to drink it.
decimation: no, but it will probably get everywhere in your 'mars habitat'
decimation: as if such a thing will exist
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802108 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 05:33:36; mircea_popescu: now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater.
asciilifeform once used ammonium perchlorate as pcb etchant
decimation: could be used as rocket fuel too
mircea_popescu: i dun think mars is habitable.
mircea_popescu: people have trouble making rent down on earth, what mars.
asciilifeform: ^ that's actually the main appeal i think
mircea_popescu: what, "that" ?
asciilifeform: herd thinner.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: stupidity is not a function of the size of the herd.
mircea_popescu: !up bagehot
bagehot: Thanks for the !up, mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: not size, no. size is effect of taking the higher cut.
asciilifeform: where was the stupidity on the net circa '88, etc.
decimation: bagehot: here to tell us of the bank of england?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: NbO caps >> 'They also do not exhibit any piezo effect and have no voltage dependence, thus making them a good fit in coupling circuits.' << guess what.
asciilifeform: !s microphonics
assbot: 4 results for 'microphonics' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=microphonics
asciilifeform: http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8e?Keyword=128206846&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and they aren't entirely gone
assbot: AVX Niobium Oxide Capacitors | Mouser ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9fHyT )
asciilifeform: but yes, cost like diamond
asciilifeform: and hm, nm, gone.
bagehot: decimation: What is there to say about the BoE? I'm here to learn checkout scarcity-through-obscurity currencies.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00033054 = 5.1068 BTC [-]
decimation: is bitcoin obscure?
asciilifeform: http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8eZscv7?Keyword=153997756&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and here they are.
assbot: AVX Niobium Oxide Capacitors | Mouser ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9fZWo )
bagehot: the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are.
asciilifeform: $1-2 -each-
bagehot: at least from what I understand of the technical implementation.
bagehot: On a related note, can anyone suggest a site collecting major papers on the technical and analytical details of bitcoins?
danielpbarron: !up Birdman
decimation: bagehot: if you wanna know how bitcoin works, unfortunately the only comprehensive reference is the code itself
bagehot: fair enough, i'll check it out
cazalla: bagehot, i can't speak to whether it's any use or not, but i have seen this floating around before http://suitpossum.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/academic-bitcoin-research.html
assbot: The Heretic's Guide to Global Finance: Hacking the Future of Money: Peer-to-Peer Review: The State of Academic Bitcoin Research 2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/1G15duW )
decimation: !up bagehot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201250 @ 0.00034092 = 68.6102 BTC [+] {4}
bagehot: Cool, yeah, that'll save me a day of googling, thanks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hehehe
mircea_popescu: bagehot you're here to learn what ?
mircea_popescu: !up bagehot
bagehot: Where I can go to get the gory details on how the interesting parts of the bitcoin source code are implemented and why those interesting bits actually work cryptographically and in a game-theory sense. I think its pretty incredible that a bunch of people can credibly store tokens of considerable value on a decentralized, digital network.
bagehot: Eh, the delay was to make sure I communicated accurately what I am here to learn.
mircea_popescu: actually, this is exactly backards from reality. bitcoin is an utter mess, it works mostly by accident, most of the bits are horribly broken and dysfunctional.
mircea_popescu: but, the discussion is in the logs, you can traverse it by searching. prolly a good start as any :
mircea_popescu: !s opendns
assbot: 2 results for 'opendns' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=opendns
mircea_popescu: uh i mean
mircea_popescu: !s openssl
assbot: 286 results for 'openssl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openssl
mircea_popescu: that one.
bagehot: Well all the better then. In the longer run I want to try inventing some units of account with different transactional properties and expansionary mechanisms.
mircea_popescu: where's that spaceghost thing.
danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G190Z5 )
mircea_popescu: that one.
bagehot: Heh, nah, I've got no interest in patching bitcoin for the sake of itself beyond tinkering with the code to learn about.
bagehot: *itself = bitcoin
bagehot: I think it'd be more fun to see what people do, if anything, with units of account that aren't like digital gold.
decimation: bagehot: what does it mean to 'not be like digital gold'?
bagehot: Well, so to give a concrete example, but not to make a normative statement about the relative merits for some purpose of one kind of unit of account over another, I think it'd be fun to try switching the party that initiates the asset-liability relationship.
bagehot: I also think it'd be fun to try to build a decentralized currency with a built-in mechanism for lender-of-last-resort purposes
decimation: lulz
mircea_popescu: bagehot this has been done.
mircea_popescu: it also never went anywhere, but w/e.
bagehot: Cool, link?
mircea_popescu: maybe look into http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ and go from there.
assbot: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkyIJR )
decimation: bagehot: do you think the supply of money must expand as an economy 'grows'?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55750 @ 0.00032755 = 18.2609 BTC [-] {2}
bagehot: It depends on what is enforced by the people who decide what money and the economy are.
bagehot: And also how those people define the terms.
bagehot: That's my first pass at an answer. That's not a question I've thought about before.
mircea_popescu: one interesting idea that came out here is that the people do not decide what either money or the economy are.
mircea_popescu: but vice-versa : money and the economy decide what people are.
mircea_popescu: !up bagehot
mircea_popescu: you should prolly get in the wot. ☟︎
bagehot: Thanks! First, re: one interesting idea: Can you clarify 'decide'? One sort of sociological argument I've heard is that social systems cause specific behaviors to be present in people.
bagehot: Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors
bagehot: Its definately the case that some social systems cause behaviors in practically all people, although I suspect once in a while people manage to commander the board for a bit.
mircea_popescu: the latter.
mircea_popescu: just like gravity causes fishes to swim and birds to fly, just so money and the economy cause black people to be poor and jews to have long noses
mircea_popescu: or thereabouts.
bagehot: I suspect so, although, it'd depend on the natural constraint thats being put forth
bagehot: aside on the wot, is this the resource to read for wot? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkB6QM )
mircea_popescu: yes, that works.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ for more theoretical considerations.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkBoal )
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkBoap )
bagehot: Alright, I'll be back in a bit once I've got wot setup.
mircea_popescu: !up Birdman
decimation: '[
Birdman: Hello -assets. I am looking to dump my dollars for coins and have almost no trust ratings in the WoT. Willing to use an escrow or however it can be the least risky for both parties if anyone is interested
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103013 @ 0.00032424 = 33.4009 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: you mean physically ?
mircea_popescu: Birdman ^
Birdman: It'd have to be a cash in the mail thing most likely
Birdman: Unless there is another way to get someone my dollars
mircea_popescu: i don't think many people do that, on account of how unreliable it is.
mircea_popescu: if you can use a bank, talk to sturles, he's been doing the offices of noob introducer since 2010.
mircea_popescu: expect to pay a slight premium.
mircea_popescu: if you can't use a bank, join a local community and do face to face.
mircea_popescu: !up JoshG_
JoshG_: sup
Birdman: Right, but the risk is on my end really if I send the money. Also, I am trying to do a larger volume where my irl contact is uncomfortable doing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320250 @ 0.00031795 = 101.8235 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: not much.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118150 @ 0.0003224 = 38.0916 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/#comment-113048 << l0ltr0nicz
assbot: The huge language issue pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf5BIA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155800 @ 0.0003224 = 50.2299 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently you need a manor-house with a library ☟︎
asciilifeform: i also need atomic dirigible, possibly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40690 @ 0.0003224 = 13.1185 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up bagehot
mircea_popescu: there's no relation between assbot and gribble really.
mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot < see there.
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij )
bagehot: I dig the link to the BRK letters at http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/finance. His letters are really a sharp resource on finance.
assbot: finance [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1rRDp )
bagehot: But, how do I prevent getting muted by assbot? I figured I registered a public key with gribble to register with the wot and then it was a matter of ;;eauth and messaging !up to assbot
decimation: bagehot: no need for ;;eauth to gribble, !up to assbot is sufficient
bagehot: Er, when I send !up to assbot I get 'assbot: bagehot is not registered in WoT.' back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128259 @ 0.0003432 = 44.0185 BTC [+] {2}
bagehot: How do I fix that? I'm mistaken but thats where I thought (but no longer do) gribble fit in.
decimation: did you do !register to assbot?
decimation: !rated bagehot
assbot: bagehot is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81491 @ 0.00034611 = 28.2049 BTC [+] {3}
bagehot: Sorry, this is probably all RTFM issues, but is it !register <long pgp id>
decimation: yeah
mircea_popescu: !gettrust bagehot
assbot: bagehot is not registered in WoT.
bagehot: For the <full_gpg_keyid> I'm using the fifth column I get from the command gpg --list-keys --with-colon, 60E5BD872B2A6031. I'm getting back 'assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.'
decimation: bagehot: did you upload it to a keyserver?
bagehot: Yeah, https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=bagehot&op=index
assbot: Search results for 'bagehot' ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1uEws )
mircea_popescu: use the whole thing
mircea_popescu: 40 chars.
decimation: you might want to actually have a valid email too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033537 = 41.5859 BTC [-] {2}
bagehot: Where is the 40 character output?
decimation: gpg --fingerprint <key>
mircea_popescu: !gettrust bagehot
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bagehot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/bagehot | http://w.b-a.link/user/bagehot
mircea_popescu: !rate bagehot New blood
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
mircea_popescu: !rate bagehot New 1 blood
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
mircea_popescu: !rate bagehot 1 New blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/de6dcd8050d71dd7
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bagehot.1:db856e96a87cbb812489644043c3577315f61997069f2c79c3c0d4cd29f66b59
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for bagehot with note: New blood
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bagehot now you can self-voice, pm assbot !up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00034861 = 26.2329 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123751 @ 0.0003403 = 42.1125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0003341 = 18.2252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217869 @ 0.00034853 = 75.9339 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.0003565 = 13.8857 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: 600 lines of log
ben_vulpes: GO
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. << myup.
ben_vulpes: but on the other hand "you're a parent now - you must sacrifice your whole life for the new life"
mircea_popescu: orly.
ben_vulpes: that's your line.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: !up p15
ben_vulpes: that set of assertions has me in knots.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> said.... everyone ever ? << nah. babes in haus is totally the way to go.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051634 << stealth fork? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors
mircea_popescu: nah, chain's still ok on the older clients.
mircea_popescu: may be some peculiar 8 branch shit
ben_vulpes: this is still worth enumerating.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: what's the full story here?
ben_vulpes: your 0.8.6 all of a sudden refuses to sync further?
ben_vulpes: new 0.8.6 chains blow up during initial sync?
ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be handy to have a thing that could watch the output of n different 'bitcoin's running in real time?
ben_vulpes: saifedean: it's the Alps on the Riviera << oh god that sounds amazong
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it would, yes.
mircea_popescu: the alps actually are right across from the riviera.
ben_vulpes: <mod6> ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html << once we have a source tree in the wild and some sort of provenance chain for it we can start talking about dvcs over email
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AllAyI )
ben_vulpes: i'm well aware that this is how Things Are Done™
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the "first shave, then shoot" one ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be << oh come now the israel thing is totally orthogonal to the 'everyone else is cattle' attitude ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK.
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
ben_vulpes: umpteen fucking centuries of having the bottom 90% snipped off of your ethnic group is much more pertinent
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'international cattle demarcation line' does not refer to israel?
mircea_popescu: nope.
ben_vulpes: oh, well. then what?
mircea_popescu: just an arbitrary limit
ben_vulpes: is this a real thing?
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying
ben_vulpes: oh god
ben_vulpes: never update your bitcoin device
ben_vulpes: state is von neumann peeking through the curtain
ben_vulpes: his baleful glare burning into your soul
cazalla: ya, i know, but i was using 0.8.3 and i have at times in the past thought fuck it, i'll just download the blockchain after a format
ben_vulpes: attempt to mutate the state and you tempt him
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no dude, iut's not a real thing. the idea was that somehow there's a cutoff : up to moment t, imigrants are a ok. at t+1 they're now cattle. well, how do you choose t ?
ben_vulpes: aha
mircea_popescu: cazalla that was not such a smart move.
mircea_popescu: old chains are valuable like old wine is valuable.
ben_vulpes: the glib retort is "we're not immigrants, we're jooz!"
cazalla: but i even tried 0.10 out of pure frustration and it wouldn't work either.. i actually think it might be related to ram in this pc, memtest86 reports bunch of errors
ben_vulpes: like gypsies, but according to the people in question, 'smarter'
ben_vulpes: if i might be so bold i bear an excellent subset of excellent american genes
ben_vulpes: french mercs
cazalla: anyway, i have a pogo otw, we'll see what comes of that next week
ben_vulpes: jews who escaped
mircea_popescu: i dun think genes are what you think they are.
ben_vulpes: and gypsies (so family legend goes) who assimilated into the local joomunity.
ben_vulpes: lineage, then.
ben_vulpes: who knows what got snipped and sewn in place during recombination.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00035969 = 29.063 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: o wait, you're a jew too ?
mircea_popescu: !b 1 ✂︎
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FF200N.txt )
mircea_popescu: sorry, couldn't resist.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p-p-plz no bully
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/akdKhXt.jpg <<< you can use a daikon raddish as a heatsink?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmhF3k )
ben_vulpes: <trinque> heh we're fucking children << trinque confirmed for gulagdestiny
mircea_popescu: yes, it's heat relish.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00035921 = 9.1383 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. << it's over. eat a strategic banana, let them have the abandoned fortresses, move to the hills and build batteries of cheapish ground and air control devices to hold no mans land, lick wounds, regroup.
ben_vulpes: dispense with dream of 'compute'. c'est la guerre.
ben_vulpes: take comfort that bitcoin exists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88900 @ 0.00035865 = 31.884 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: decimation, mircea_popescu: ksr, "We could be intruding on alien life." << isn't colonialism about coopting local structure if not eradicating them entirely?
mircea_popescu: colonialism is about coopting the locals on its own terms only.
mircea_popescu: that's the point of colonialism : much like b-a, you may only join it nude.
ben_vulpes: "do as i say, or i slay."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9477 @ 0.00021105 = 2.0001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: that's the important thing about colonialism : it is a plain statement of the fundamental worthlessness of the locals. what it says is that their culture is not worth reading.
mircea_popescu: in many cases, this attitude is actually correct
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't particularly share the worries of most intellectuals abnout the various books burned during history.
mircea_popescu: if the people that wrote them weren't idiots, the books wouldn't have been burned.
mircea_popescu: im sure if someone burned down reddit loads of future intellectuals will be all "o noes, the treasures lost". because they don't exactly know.
mircea_popescu: and so for them erring that way is sensible. but in actual fact... good god, the world is better off.
ben_vulpes: <bagehot> [02:58] the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. << wat
mircea_popescu: (same idea re: "state preserving old buildings" put forth in http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ drove teh romanaian nuts. but the point stands : why the fuck would the public treasury spend money to maintain some family houses of meanwhile dead families ? once the snail's no longer in the shell, the shell has no further meaning or import.)
assbot: El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha si conul Andrei Pippidi. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmjRIc )
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagehot lmk if you want a hand with setting up networks off of the mainchain
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagehot "normative statement" << actually now i'm not so sure i want to be around you at all even
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: lol the guy is trying, give him six months.
ben_vulpes: <bagehot> [04:12] Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors << it's called thermodynamics
ben_vulpes: new noobs, gorgeous weather, summer runup must be impending.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.5, Best ask: 284.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 284.62, 24 hour volume: 37387.61151736, 24 hour low: 281.36, 24 hour high: 293.22, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: looks like it.
ben_vulpes: 10k by nov?
ben_vulpes: who's the fractional reserve this time?
mircea_popescu: well considering all the bezzle poured in, it should be d.cbse
ben_vulpes: gemini being the replacement-in-the-wings
ben_vulpes: fiat hedge against fiat failure
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying << dude i need more than this
ben_vulpes: like ~/.bitcoin/debug.log files from block where it wedges
ben_vulpes: block number
ben_vulpes: general symptoms of shitgnomery
mircea_popescu: he's new. give him six months.
ben_vulpes: and then THEN you need to point the thing at a known-good node and see if you get the same results.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cazalla? new?
mircea_popescu: at computering
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i really only got off windows like.. 7-8 months ago
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-portrait-of-young-lenin-as-an-artist-in-his-youth/
ben_vulpes: well you have places to hunt now don't you? and a foundation to whom to report shitgnomery in the wild?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91228 @ 0.00035522 = 32.406 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: anyways cazalla your mission should you choose to accept it is to run down some useful debug information from a 0.8.6 that refuses to sync. i suggest booting your bitcoind with the -debug flag.
mircea_popescu: lol @ should you choose to accept it device.
mircea_popescu: which game was this ? doom ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102950 @ 0.00035483 = 36.5297 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: ben_vulpes, here, not sure if any help http://dpaste.com/3EKMNTB.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmlBkN )
cazalla: i think this was from 0.8.6 or maybe 0.8.3 install, can't remember
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/visual-culture-test-the-naked-woman/#comment-90764 << ahaha check it out how one patrick mcfarland made a btc in 2012
assbot: Visual Culture Test - The Naked Woman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmlC8m )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mission impossible!
ben_vulpes: as a side note, it's lovely to see pastebin die the good death.
mircea_popescu: oh ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the movie...
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/4462e776fa649fb2001fd50392084f46/tumblr_my1gxe6Ubl1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg << check out the maids outfit that bride picked!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUQmHV )
mircea_popescu: i mean it's traditionally a device to humiliate the girls, but the degree!
ben_vulpes: good god they're all like 35
mircea_popescu: well yes ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ya know what i'm yet to figure out about such pics, under what circumstances do people get naked like this at a wedding?
cazalla: european thing or what
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 234015 << so your remote node is misbehaving
mircea_popescu: here, one more http://36.media.tumblr.com/8d98884538d636d0166f2ed798ed21ea/tumblr_mu83nerhLP1sz40t4o1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUQAPk )
ben_vulpes: although hard to tell if its getting blocks it already has or just 'heights' it already has
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 233764 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472
ben_vulpes: << considering running 'getblockhash 233764' and seeing if it returns the same hash
ben_vulpes: although is that the hash of the existing block or the incoming block and are they even the same?
mircea_popescu: 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472
ben_vulpes is not opening up cpp tonight, will run from flawed meatram
mircea_popescu: ayup
ben_vulpes: /s/considering/consider
ben_vulpes: hm wait wrong construction
mircea_popescu: srsly.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: please run 'getblockhash 233764' and report
ben_vulpes: if you have 0.8.6 available for inquiry.
ben_vulpes: << in 10* seeds?
ben_vulpes: and to tag this with the 'block download' thread: nodes that misbehave like this must be booted from the dl candidate list.
ben_vulpes: pronto.
mircea_popescu: dude, we went over this. the list is strictly made out of wot nodes. nothing else.
mircea_popescu: stop filtering badness.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, can't at this time, chain and client i have half done here atm is 0.10.0 from when i got frustrated and decided to see if this work, it didn't get to that blockheight
ben_vulpes: not the hardcoded list, but the list of candidates constructed at/during runtime from which a node may consider downloading blocks.
cazalla: i actually have older chain here on external hdd so im copying that over, it isn't a full one either though, i believe it is from other day when trying 0.8.6 so will try soon
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ideally it'd have a performance based model, where it sorts the connections according to a "value", periodically kicking the bottom one and taking a new one in
mircea_popescu: just assign costs to cpu/bw usage, and price to information obtained, and there you go
cazalla: anyway, point i was trying to make last night was drunk, bad decision or not, i have done this many times over past year and it would always get a full chain after a day, but can't since 0.10.0 came out
ben_vulpes: this is the obvious solution, yes.
ben_vulpes: well codified, thank you mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu waives any merit.
cazalla: not that i was trying to use 0.10.0, that was just a last resort past few days
ben_vulpes: cazalla: this needs proving and reproduction.
ben_vulpes: nailgun for the shitgnomes.
ben_vulpes: eg does it wedge reproducibly, etc.
ben_vulpes: jesus fuck the qa.
ben_vulpes: 00000000000001909813d3f692378c41ffa9c21e444ebac220a33137d94948c5 << point at which pasted log kicks into "orphan frenzy"
ben_vulpes: nonstd transaction?
cazalla: what's AddToWallet, should i snip that from log before putting on dpaste?
ben_vulpes: heh probs.
ben_vulpes: twould be real funny if there were privkeys in that log statement.
cazalla: nah i checked
ben_vulpes: and you're certain you know the contents of that logline?
ben_vulpes: OMIT any potentially sensitive data there.
ben_vulpes: try to preserve charcount.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, this is from trying to -reindex with 0.8.6 http://dpaste.com/3E6139P.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUSf7n )
mircea_popescu: 2015-03-14 08:29:22 LevelDB read failure: Corruption: block checksum mismatch
mircea_popescu: did you shutdown your pc uncleanly ? such as for instance power fsailure ?
cazalla: nope, client crashes
mircea_popescu: before that.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, confident nothing in there, but even if there was, i have nothing more than bitcents on machine connected to internet
cazalla: no
ben_vulpes: was that a fresh sync or using an old blockchain?
cazalla: it's about 8gb of blocks which i downloaded using 0.8.6 the other day
ben_vulpes: 132587 << fresh sync i'm betting
cazalla: so i copied em over into blocks dir here now and ran 0.8.6
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831003.0 << look, a scamcoin that's not totally retarded from the get-go. ☟︎
assbot: [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUSwas )
ben_vulpes: hm.
cazalla: over the past few days i've tried a fresh install with 0.8.3, 0.8.6 and 0.10.0 and all have problems, and yes fresh as in fresh as i wiped hdd each time
ben_vulpes: Are you going to argue with Bruce Schneier? I didn't think so. << amazing pedigree
mircea_popescu: that idiocy aside, using skein's not necessarily a bad choice
mircea_popescu: this is what i meant : while the thing's not necessarily useful, at least it's trying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29867 @ 0.00035597 = 10.6318 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: cazalla: ok well are you game for some foundation support?
ben_vulpes: please don't make me build and test more bitcoinds
cazalla: well that's why i have a pogo otw
ben_vulpes: aws bill was insane for last three months
cazalla: i'll fuck around with the pogo and hopefully learn a thing or two, that but that aside, what are odds shitty ram is cause of my problems.. memtest86 cites errors and i actually did have a couple blackouts a month back
ben_vulpes: well i have non pogo tasks for you
mircea_popescu: cazalla that may have corrupted a db then
cazalla: mircea_popescu even on fresh o/s with new install of bitcoin-qt?
ben_vulpes: i will not accept 'may have'.
mircea_popescu: cazalla if memory corrupts then yes, on anything.
cazalla: i'll go buy a cheap stick of ram tmw and try again
cazalla: ben_vulpes, unfortunately, i need a lot of hand holding as i can only get so far myself so i would likely cause you more trouble than be of help
ben_vulpes: nope.
ben_vulpes: "teach a man to fish".
ben_vulpes: when i'm done with you you'll be downright valuable.
mircea_popescu: no homo ?
cazalla: well, what would you need me to do and is it bandwidth intensive?
ben_vulpes: unlike some people i'm willing to train male slaves.
cazalla: lol
ben_vulpes: cazalla: you'll not be on the hook for b/w.
ben_vulpes: that'll have to come from my heirs legacy.
cazalla: no, i mean my use of it with home internet connection
ben_vulpes: heirs'.
cazalla: as long as it doesn't blow it to over say 100gb, i can help, i have some older machines here too if of any use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168500 @ 0.00035151 = 59.2294 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: if you find that this is *not* a ram issue, i'll provide you ssh access to a thing on which you can run a bitcoind.
cazalla: i should be able to let you know whether it is or not by this time tmw
ben_vulpes: anyone who has other ideas re: muntzing cazalla's system please chime in
ben_vulpes: cazalla:
ben_vulpes: lady v returns from travels tomorrow noon pst, so i'll likely be unavailable though the pm.
cazalla: i'll leave you a note if you're not around anyway
ben_vulpes: tbf i'm more likely to get fucked into quiescence than vice versa
ben_vulpes: dude what the shit
ben_vulpes: i just got a 400 redirect
ben_vulpes: what is *wrong* with people
ben_vulpes: oh actually lolariously
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/#comment-13670 << i lawled.
assbot: Blythe Masters To Head Wall Street Invasion | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgHXEI )
ben_vulpes: trinque was bitching earlier today about getting a 418 TEAPOT from a production point of sale system
mircea_popescu: "We don’t think of bitcoin as being [...] an alternative currency [...]. We think of it as a medium for exchange"
mircea_popescu: top kek in klass.
ben_vulpes: get kesselman in here, eh?
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: i think she was, actually.
ben_vulpes: oh goodness madonna on stern
mircea_popescu: mebbe just trilema http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/#comment-100653
assbot: This is me being completely spaced out pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUU44q )
ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/03/madonna-on-howard-stern-3-11-15/
assbot: Madonna on Howard Stern 3.11.15 | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUU6sS )
mircea_popescu: lol i remember when she was teaching leterman wardrobe terms
ben_vulpes: "i will do as told." < ha this one
mircea_popescu: "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . .
mircea_popescu: . you are, after all, anonymous."
mircea_popescu: ahahah
mircea_popescu: holtzy is kinda funny.
ben_vulpes: i've been waiting for you to come around
mircea_popescu: wait, i thought her fucking tupac was public knowledge.
ben_vulpes: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/03/wolf-richter-us-oil-bust-just-got-worse.html << pretty amazing how linear the 'fraking boom' looks in retrospect
assbot: Wolf Richter: The US Oil Bust Just Got Worse | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUUnw3 )
mircea_popescu: mhm
ben_vulpes: i still want to get that madonna book
mircea_popescu: so get it ?
mircea_popescu: you live in like, a city, right ?
ben_vulpes: i just burnt my discretionary income on fundation expenses.
mircea_popescu: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/US-rig-count_1988_2015-03-13oil-bust.png << saudi sanctions, lolz.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgJURj )
mircea_popescu: lol. don't you ppl have some moneyz ?
ben_vulpes: pretty much all req'd to hedge against famine months
ben_vulpes: what's the mpex phrase?
mircea_popescu: "eat the woman, save the cow" ?
ben_vulpes: "solemnly promise to not introduce personal expenses" etc etc
mircea_popescu: you're confusing me. weren't these servers ?
ben_vulpes: sure, yeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway, discussion continued tomorrow, im off.
ben_vulpes: humbung!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00035843 = 10.95 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97017 @ 0.00035038 = 33.9928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55833 @ 0.00033434 = 18.6672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.0003343 = 15.6285 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17852 @ 0.0003341 = 5.9644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00033279 = 14.0105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00033311 = 19.7867 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147550 @ 0.00033149 = 48.9113 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 (9477 shares, 2.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 / 0.00021105 (9477 shares, 2.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00027001 / 0.000301 (59040 shares, 15.94 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00033548 = 40.5595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52349 @ 0.00035001 = 18.3227 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194193 @ 0.00034485 = 66.9675 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47707 @ 0.00035916 = 17.1344 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261724 @ 0.00033549 = 87.8058 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51652 @ 0.00032977 = 17.0333 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00035929 = 2.7845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62500 @ 0.00033018 = 20.6363 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so i get a piece of spam, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/spam.png and i'm curious, where did the script get that sentence ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDM7uX )
mircea_popescu: google responds with http://www.reddit.com/r/careerguidance/comments/2a27w2/my_wife_has_a_useless_degree_and_a_history_of/
assbot: My wife has a useless degree and a history of mall jobs. Any advice to de-rutify her? : careerguidance ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDMbuD )
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the "reddit principally exists as source of pre-spun spam text, because the cult of bayesianism really does work", jesus christ check out that life history.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180118 @ 0.00033836 = 60.9447 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the kicker, of course, being "She seems to think that professional careers require flawless writing ability, which I don't feel is the case."
mircea_popescu: !up ug_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00036008 = 24.7735 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29332 @ 0.00035726 = 10.4792 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1BhmxqZ )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ chgeck it out, the internet breaks a little more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00033852 = 5.7379 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/SefmLKf.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BhpMP9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67640 @ 0.00033819 = 22.8752 BTC [-]
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: who is this ?
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: interesting : he tries to fight obscurity, going to extreme lengths to put a spotlight on himself
mircea_popescu: and yet... nobody knows who he is.
mircea_popescu: i vote this guy 'most likely to modern man'.
mircea_popescu: !up funkenstein_
funkenstein_: thanks
funkenstein_: can i just say this is the first time i've been on television?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033018 = 6.2074 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: based on how long it's taken me to find my way over here I am going to be a slow learner so thanks in advance for your patience
kakobrekla: welcome to the show.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: read the logs, it's all you need.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, http://www.ratbehavior.org/laundry.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAoreL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00033371 = 27.6979 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ so what abvout this woodcoin thing ?
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/look-what-the-spam-dragged-in/
mircea_popescu: !up funkenstein_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00033371 = 10.1114 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95850 @ 0.00033854 = 32.4491 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033372 = 18.7884 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up funkenstein_
mircea_popescu: you prolly want to get in the wot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00034015 = 11.8712 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: confirmed
funkenstein_: you can totally trust me. i can take a picture of myself licking a hammer.
mircea_popescu: see yest's discussion. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052591 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2015 04:11:17; mircea_popescu: you should prolly get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052627 << no but wouldn't that kick ass ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2015 05:01:21; decimation: asciilifeform: apparently you need a manor-house with a library
funkenstein_: set up but no rating
funkenstein_: !gettrust funkenstein
assbot: funkenstein_ and funkenstein are not registered in WoT.
funkenstein_: ;;gettrust funkenstein
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask funkenstein!518d5cd7@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user funkenstein to user funkenstein: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=funkenstein&dest=funkenstein | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=funkenstein | Rated since: never
funkenstein_: !gpg eauth funkenstein
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ follow the bit to get into assbot's.
mircea_popescu: "We also migrated to the hosted platform as a service provided by Automattic on vip.wordpress.com. This enabled all of our costs and resources to be focused on growth as they didn’t have to worry about caching, servers or anything that didn’t improve experience for our readers or editorial users. "
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps one of the most idiotic bits of salescopy i've seen in recent memory : https://vip.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/10-growth-hacks-that-helped-metro-co-uk-achieve-27-million-monthly-visitors/
assbot: 10 Growth Hacks That Helped Metro.Co.Uk Achieve 27 Million Monthly Visitors – WordPress.com VIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVxJUd )
mircea_popescu: "The amazing thing about the platform is that it is a flat fee. This means that although our traffic has grown 350% year on year our costs have not changed. The depth of their out of the box features plus ecosystem of plugins ensured that we did’t have to worry about commodity features such as SEO, site maps and editorial workflows as someone else had built and open sourced an approach."
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the thing's just been buying those spammy "related stories from across the net" slots. which... whatever. TRAFIC!
mircea_popescu: you could have bought that and driven it to a ytmnd for all the good they do anyone.
mircea_popescu: but gotta appreciate the "shared hosting for idiots thinking themselves corporate" thing. myths never die! INFINITE BANDWIDTH!!1
mircea_popescu: "A key growth hack we developed was the ability to show different headlines for social and search so we didn’t impact our search traffic."
mircea_popescu: lawls.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75600 @ 0.00033004 = 24.951 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00033096 = 13.9996 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its called cloud now btw.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92894 @ 0.00032974 = 30.6309 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: height=276555 vs height=208878
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00032785 = 46.2596 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=972877.0
assbot: GREAT IDEA FOR SALE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVD3Hd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62488 @ 0.00033096 = 20.681 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74450 @ 0.00032636 = 24.2975 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i must confess that i didn't grok the analogy with the strategic banana, retreat from the fortress, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: internet breaks >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html << you beheaded the link
assbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1AomqdU )
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTkefJHfC0&t=199
assbot: The SECOND Official Ultra-Ever Dry Video - Superhydrophobic coating - Repels almost any liquid! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x4PgEy )
ben_vulpes: they own linux.
ben_vulpes: the strategic banana is a red herring.
asciilifeform: wat
asciilifeform: [insert correct lolcat]
ben_vulpes: a non-sequiter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126000 @ 0.0003274 = 41.2524 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: got your tickets ?
asciilifeform was reading log, and noticed that this came up and somehow missed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99400 @ 0.00032316 = 32.1221 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: in a day or so.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i paid around 0.8k
asciilifeform: not incl. the gringo-tax thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you aren't a miser, and don't want to layover in two separate banana republics summing to a full 24 hrs' journey each way - it'll be more like 1.4
chetty: oh hey I finally get to meet you guys :)
asciilifeform won't have useful cargo, sadly
asciilifeform: (see logs)
asciilifeform: unless somebody still wants 'pogo'
chetty: << plans to have eulora demp
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> but i even tried 0.10 out of pure frustration and it wouldn't work either.. i actually think it might be related to ram in this pc, memtest86 reports bunch of errors << Bad Ram can keep a lot of things from working
chetty: demo*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21215 @ 0.0003274 = 6.9458 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> i'll fuck around with the pogo and hopefully learn a thing or two, that but that aside, what are odds shitty ram is cause of my problems.. memtest86 cites errors and i actually did have a couple blackouts a month back << Rather high
mod6: chetty: im ciked!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how did you manage that?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i don't mind travelling 24 hours, one less night have to spend in hotel lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.0003274 = 10.706 BTC [+]
chetty: travel can be fun if you relax and go with the flow, my first trip to Argentina was @29 hours
thestringpuller: chetty: I'll be sure to print out lots of trilema to read
chetty: hahaha not sure thats a great choice for light airline reading
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99950 @ 0.00032926 = 32.9095 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: got my hands on some old computers to play around with :D
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/polish-bitcoin-embassy-closed/
danielpbarron: right now i'm gonna try to install openbsd 5.6 on an imac g4 via network
BingoBoingo: Cool, good luck
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Once you do that see if you can get a bitcoin build upon it.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/coolbearcjs/status/576791641215754241 << From the noise swamp
assbot: Sources tell me the the NGC is working with Antiguan authorities and the Feds to shut down and to extradite an individual to Nevada soon.
danielpbarron: i feel like i'm in way over my head trying to figure out the pogo stuff without ever having done the same things on already well established paths
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/576820755121377280
assbot: /EllieAsksWhy Your presence is requested. http://t.co/7Hj12V2vR4
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, if you manage to install OpenBSD it's basically closer to a normal OpenBSD environment than the pogo is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40597 @ 0.00033008 = 13.4003 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26603 @ 0.00033278 = 8.8529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00032346 = 42.3409 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00032294 = 19.8447 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83425 @ 0.0003318 = 27.6804 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla shitcloud!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh i c!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i paid around 0.8k << ftr this sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if you aren't a miser, and don't want to layover in two separate banana republics summing to a full 24 hrs' journey each way << this however doesn't ?!
mircea_popescu: <chetty> << plans to have eulora hemp << what, no pot ? :D
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: miser, pauper, it's all the same
mircea_popescu: ;later tell cjc NGC ?!
mircea_popescu: a... company ?!
mircea_popescu: i flew istanbul - ba direct, coach was ~800
mircea_popescu: first class was 1100
ben_vulpes: i live in the sticks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64091 @ 0.00033473 = 21.4532 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: the local airport is nominally 'international', but only to select destinations and not many into s.a., much less efficiently over to the south atl.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is a point. istanbul is a major airtraffic hub. the us... not.
ben_vulpes: i'm probably going to spend 28hrs traveling both ways, and spend 1.1k
mircea_popescu: kinda like cccp was a "major airtrafic hub" for internal flights only.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes crazy.
ben_vulpes: i imagine the forbidden city is a bit more well trafficked.
ben_vulpes: perhaps next year i'll take two weeks off and spend a few days in nyc with friends
mircea_popescu: bout 1k people / minute.
mircea_popescu: hm, no, that's an exageration. bout 5k an hour more like it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in teh sticks, http://36.media.tumblr.com/f36cba3e49b12d0a3b87b624e00a2557/tumblr_n2l158SH6c1skmp0co1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBcPIs )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135150 @ 0.00032202 = 43.521 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00032478 = 19.7791 BTC [+]
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990285.0
assbot: [ANN] [CHK] Chicken | chicken. chickens. chicken. | RC Chicken ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBfIsI )
ben_vulpes: chikken-eats-ya
BingoBoingo: layeggs true to mine?
mircea_popescu: proof of lay!
mircea_popescu: !up gabridome
mircea_popescu: how's life been treatin ya ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony can in egg-vest?
mircea_popescu: this is like... the frist time i saw something intelligent on tardstalk in... years ?!
mircea_popescu: wd/
mircea_popescu: in similar news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/6a4513d3f9e8366e0748766179582b88/tumblr_mz2hnxZYHL1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBgwho )
mircea_popescu: chick!
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: what comes first, the chicken-vest or the egg-vest?
mircea_popescu: egg-vest. i guess i may be the only one still wearing three piece suits,
mircea_popescu: but i've made more eggvest than say cumpanties.
mircea_popescu: mostly because the sort of sluts i hang out with don't even have panties, but anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77650 @ 0.00032964 = 25.5965 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50488 @ 0.00033059 = 16.6908 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: fluffypony: b&
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fluffypony: awwww
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00032964 = 20.8827 BTC [-]
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-03-2015#1052459 << ik: for them = gaming. also http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/[sf]-{nsa,mg,qntr,mpif}/ all http 500 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2015 02:11:04; mike_c: gaming. for them, idk.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFtQgx )
ben_vulpes: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ << works for me
assbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1wJMxQe )
ben_vulpes: berp of course, that's mpoe ☟︎
danielpbarron: !up funkenstein
funkenstein: !register 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6
assbot: A key with that fingerprint is already registered by funkenstein_
danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ can fix?
gribble: The operation succeeded.