cazalla: anyone able to read japanese? Bitcoin取引所が、取引妨害攻撃を受けたとして口座からの引き出しを一時停止。 google translate is not much use
undata: thestringpuller: "We stand by our filmmakers and their right to free expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome." << what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00064671 = 3.1689 BTC [+]
assbot: Movie Idea: After every legal form of film distribution is threatened, Pirate Bay founders released from prison to help with one last job.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18715 @ 0.00062798 = 11.7526 BTC [-] {2}
Luke-Jr: undata: not particularly, why?
undata: Luke-Jr: you seem to think with slogans like "FUD"
ben_vulpes: MPAA doesn't like magic numbers, Luke-Jr doesn't like magic numbers...
undata: read the article, consider the blacklisting thing in bitcoin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: nonsense, I have never done anything that can legitimately be called censorship
Luke-Jr: not donating your resources to someone harming you, is not censorship, it's common sense
ben_vulpes: it's *so* expensive to relay those transactions.
ben_vulpes: kinda misses the entire point of the tcp protocol, where one just routes packets.
Luke-Jr: I have no obligation to donate my CPU time and bandwidth to someone period, whether they are harming me or not.
ben_vulpes: but you should hard code that into your own sourceball instead of cramming into gentoo.
Luke-Jr: nobody much routes TCP packets free of charge
ben_vulpes: especially if you can't figure out how to load it as config.
undata: Luke-Jr: your argument reduces to "save the children"
Luke-Jr: undata: your argument reduces to "lol I can't think"
ben_vulpes: his argument for not forwarding is fine, if constrained to his own apparently anemic boxes.
undata: ^ this is a mind which has touched the holy source
ben_vulpes: but imposed on the rest of the world...
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: it is NOT being imposed on ANYONE
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: we already had this conversation
undata: another slogan "arms race"
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: also, I have no victims
Luke-Jr: I am on the defensive, not the offensive.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: heh, some of them came out and said "stop us" when confronted - so …
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: they're not games, they're attacks on Bitcoin
undata: Luke-Jr: they're terrorists eh?
Luke-Jr: the "game" is just a tool they use to involve others
Luke-Jr: terrorists would have to cause terror
Luke-Jr: it's a DDoS, except at the Bitcoin layer rather than TCP
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: who said Bitcoin was doomed? Bitcoin has this nice system of miners to address the spam problem.
danielpbarron: a DDoS in which the victims are compelled to... gamble?
ben_vulpes: blockchain must bloat. fact of nature.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: they're not the victims
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: the gambling front is just a way to get someone else paying the cost of bypassing Bitcoin's primary spam prevention (tx fees)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122868 = 1.2287 BTC [+] {8}
undata: because like, lots of traffic, and I don't want it... ?
Luke-Jr: I get tired of repeating myself.
ben_vulpes: this one i've yet to hear an answer to.
undata: Luke-Jr: your explanations to date have little content worth repeating
Luke-Jr: it's distributed, by using gambling as a front to get others to cover the expense
Luke-Jr: it denies service, by filling the blockchain with garbage
ben_vulpes: please, at least, link to the point in the log where you explained how these small transactions are a ddos.
ben_vulpes: how is it garbage to send small amounts of bitcoin around?
danielpbarron: "filling??" when was the last time there was a full block?
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam
undata: Luke-Jr: you are avoiding addressing the deeper question of whether *you* have the right to decide for the whole network what constitutes spam
Luke-Jr: undata: I never pretended I did.
ben_vulpes: no but you see it's just *hiiiis* code, undata.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Paying for a transaction is literally the definition of not spam.
undata: which would be fine were it not passed off as mainline
danielpbarron: he doesn't have the right or ability to effect such a change; that's not the issue
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: no, it isn't.
ben_vulpes: except he doesn't have the courtesy to keep his braindamage on his own machines.
undata: which is the expectation of what a *maintainer* does
Luke-Jr: undata: it's not passed off as mainline
undata: "here's the package in good faith that it's what the writers did"
Luke-Jr: undata: nothing in Gentoo is like that
undata: Luke-Jr: I've run gentoo for years.
Luke-Jr: then you know almost everything gets patched
undata: default use flags are understood to be ... defaults
Luke-Jr: yes, and they're still defaults
undata: you decided your patch was a sensible default, though the "core devs" did not
Luke-Jr: the maintainer of the package always decides what is a sensible default.
undata: folks we've got a decider in the house.
Luke-Jr: the "core devs" don't even want to.
ben_vulpes: now distributed as a default for gentoo.
Luke-Jr: and most of the users happen to agree
ben_vulpes: how is that not pushing your opinions on the MO of bitcoin onto gentoo users?
undata: you think it's sensible for you to say who does and does not transact on the blockchain
Luke-Jr: undata: there you go putting words in my mouth again
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: any default is a default
undata: Luke-Jr: what mental gymnastics do you use to define a blacklist?
Luke-Jr: defaulting to the reference policy is also a default. are you going to claim it's "core devs" pushing that on people?
undata: Luke-Jr: if I piss you off, will you blacklist me?
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr, how can a transaction be "spam" when it pays a fee?
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: actually, the "core devs" are trying to push all sorts of dumb shit on people. larger block sizes are on that list.
Luke-Jr: undata: I've never blacklisted anyone who pissed me off before, so your question is stupid.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: "spam" and "fee" have no direct relationship
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: lol, most of us are opposed to larger block sizes at the current time.
Luke-Jr: heck, even Gavin says it's 2 years out
undata: Luke-Jr: your response is "trust me"?
undata: you sir do not understand bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: undata: there you go putting words in my mouth again
undata: Luke-Jr: any child could draw the conclusions I am from what you've said
Luke-Jr: undata: only a child* maybe
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undata: you are the sole decider re: blacklisting, and you should be trusted
Luke-Jr: [05:04:25] <Luke-Jr> undata: there you go putting words in my mouth again
danielpbarron: 12:07 <+Luke-Jr> danielpbarron: "spam" and "fee" have no direct relationship << yes they do. if I spend an old output, no fee required; i spend a new output with no fee, tx doesn't get spread
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No... If I get the time though I might have to visit eBay...
Luke-Jr: what you said does not support your claim
undata: Luke-Jr: you're just demonstrating yourself a liar, which makes me trust you as blacklist-lord less.
Luke-Jr: undata: the only one lying here is you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1425 @ 0.0012 = 1.71 BTC
undata: Luke-Jr: where have I misrepresented you? I've merely taken what I've dragged out of you in pages and thrown it back in lines.
mats: this has been rehashed three times now
Luke-Jr: no, you've claimed I am saying things totally unrelated to what i actually said
mats: how about you stop boring everyone and let it go
undata: mats: I just want this garbage in here for when Luke-Jr pulls something else
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Luke-Jr: someone on reddit complained that I should only do 1 controversial thing at a time, implying there is something else you can FUD about already if you want to
mats: some of us are keeping score, rest assured
Luke-Jr: (I didn't ask what the other thing he considered controversial was, sorry)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol, so much price masturbation. So much "this is what we have now basically" when now they get even less.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nobody. We have so much less than we used to have. We are in the future and the future is a nightmare.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean we have people apparently paying to send spam now!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 900 @ 0.0012 = 1.08 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4324 @ 0.0012 = 5.1888 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00062518 = 8.0336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27859 @ 0.00062518 = 17.4169 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.10980007 = 2.4156 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: has shorten talked about cannabis cazalla?
Vexual: old quentin must have a bit of arthritis
cazalla: dunno, i imagine they'll allow it in due time for tax rev, god knows they'll need new sources
Vexual: depends whos holding the reigns i guess
cazalla: i don't think it matters who holds them
Vexual: people star running outta centrelink, the cannbis laws wont matter a pinch of shut
Vexual: these libereals are filing hard
cazalla: how can they run out, just print more
Vexual: mining tax turns into a mining subsidy
cazalla: mebe they'll introduce a new time of mining tax
Vexual: yeah, you gotta be mining for that to work
Vexual: i think we're sitting pretty for the economy to solve
Vexual: woodsides buying up all the us failings, chinas buying aussie goodness, it'll all work out
Vexual: if it all goes wrong ill be catching lemon sharks and selling the fins
Vexual: cunts arent even protected
cazalla: didya read that wealth of generations report that came out? first time in our history that .au citizens take more from the gov than they contribute
Vexual: really? no, but it sounds about right
cazalla: been meaning to write it up but get side tracked with alcohol
Vexual: gfc? nah, oh wait, yeah
cazalla: concern of the report is diminishing amount of people to tax, young people work more and more and yet won't ever own their own home and that this unspoken agreement that we pay for the eldery so that the young pay for us when old is going to break down
cazalla: not auth'd so can't up you Vexual
Vexual: you think they might put the bank rate up?
cazalla: i dunno, i know fuck all about economics, i just compare how people i went to school with are doing compared to my parents (1 income, 1 stay at home mum)
cazalla: not sure outdated is the right word, what my parents did wouldn't fly these days
Vexual: dar your blog mr viking?
cazalla: bah soz, drunk, thought ya talking to me
Vexual: im not sure if im old of young
cazalla: well, ya get the aged pension yet? if not, young i guess
cazalla: won't be long until majority of young people wake up and realise they're wasting their time working and paying tax to support eldery people who get huge welfare yet own everything
Vexual: i have beeen to centrelink tho, i has a crazy girlfriend once
Vexual: she wanted me to say i was charging her rent
cazalla: removing voice from Vexual, that's unaustralian
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00062518 = 3.9699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00063042 = 1.1032 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 840 @ 0.0012 = 1.008 BTC
davout: the most interesting part is basically that only the losses seem to be lodged under the mtgox corporate entity
davout: "nope, we won't seize mark's comfy chair, it's owned by tibanne"
cazalla: i was more surprised no-one else reported on it, erry one else has moved on i guess
mircea_popescu: haha no, merely taking a break to see what you've been up to.
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mircea_popescu: i see all it takes is for me to be away two days for some noob to break bitcoin...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, sweating the price even on hols eh
cazalla: BingoBoingo, just a little upset /r/bitcoin smashT his /. record
davout: "'Instead of Using KYC, We Prefer to Use Our Own Model: TYC (Trust Your Customer)’ - Bitcoin-Wave CCO"
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mircea_popescu: more of the "if i call this something else it won't be this anymore" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.0006251 = 17.0027 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
jurov looked twice "she's tranny? or no?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1500 @ 0.0012 = 1.8 BTC
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know, im pretty sure that pic was in here maybe half year ago, we lulzed at it.
assbot: 'It shocks the conscience' - N.J. man unable to use arms remains jailed for 4 months on gun charge | NJ.com ... (
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thestringpuller: "if you want the price to go up stop spending your fucking coins"
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mats: its more likely the incentive was economic rather than political imo
rithm: thestringpuller changetip is a nsa tracking op obv
rithm: codename CHANGETIP
thestringpuller: but I did the math a while back with mike_c 's advice and the best case scenario is like < 10k a year revenue
thestringpuller: so yea i guess if NSA bankrolls them, then they can survive
mike_c: hehe. "Switching Russia completely over to Bitcoin will not happen over night. However with smart phones the process should take about a month."
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BingoBoingo: I don't think Russia would switch over at least until the USMS auctions are over.
mike_c: i am shocked. shocked! purse.io attracted scammers?
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mats: i've always wanted to have my own tank
mats: i'd reenact different scenes from movies like Red Dawn
mats: shoot my own version of the Tank Man
BingoBoingo: I'd go to sports car and off road truck meetups
mats: you'll finally have the biggest dick at the car show
mats: TIL there is a PostScript ASIC
mats: imagine being the guy who had to design that
BingoBoingo: I'd encourage kids to key the tank, watch the weenies with their lesser vehicles squirm that the kids might go on to their vehicles
davout: mats: fighter jet > tank
mats: but no one will know see me flying a fighter jet
mats: whereas with a tank i can mount speakers playing awful music and dance on top of it
BingoBoingo: Also can't just fill up the fighter jet at the local 7-11
mats: ...and diesel fuel. time to get some coffee
mike_c: strapping a rocket to a tank would be awesome
mike_c: heh, i never got into that one. can you do that in c&c?
gribble: Error: "seed" is not a valid command.
gribble: adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <adlai> (not there yet, but looks like it's on its way)
Adlai: not quite tanks, but i wouldn't want at home the things i'm familiar with, and they're less trouble than tanks
Adlai: grease everywhere, weird black ooze dripping out of the engine
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Here we also get tractors on the highways. SOunds like a grand time.
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
BingoBoingo: Building a deck on top, set up some chairs. Get a limo license and people would probably pay some serious money to get ferried around to bars and parties in that manner.
BingoBoingo: Tank could also have dayjob as bulldozer or snowplow
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> grease everywhere, weird black ooze dripping out of the engine << Also a plague of civilian vehicles
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> <+BingoBoingo> Building a deck on top, set up some chairs. Get a limo license and people would probably pay some serious money to get ferried around to bars and parties in that manner << Obligatory slogan: "Come and get Tanked!"
lobbes: nice. How much do internets go for these days?
mats: asciilifeform is a buzzkill
BingoBoingo: mats: Nah. He just forces us to confront problems with better problems.
BingoBoingo: I would totally charter a seat on the top deck of a tank for a scenic tour of wine country.
mats: that is an incredibly depressing story
rithm: anyone want this action?
rithm: we have a pumper in -otc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26109 @ 0.00063065 = 16.4656 BTC [+] {2}
rithm: unsure BingoBoingo
rithm: ikeboy what's a bitcoin dollar
ikeboy: ah, you're right, I had misworded that. I was originally writing it in dollars, then decided to switch to btc and messed up the editing
gribble: Nick 'ikeboy', with hostmask 'ikeboy!~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net', is not identified.
gribble: User 'ikeboy', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 19gUMpL3VrJzVYbbAx1PktNk3Pfnm7h3jx, registered on Wed Dec 17 16:26:13 2014, last authed on Wed Dec 17 16:26:13 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=ikeboy . Currently not authenticated.
rithm: yesterday thoug BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 7605 @ 0.0012 = 9.126 BTC {2}
rithm: ;;calc 3.50/[tlast]
rithm: ikeboy is trying to get his hands on all the paycoin he can
ikeboy: what do you mean? Paycoin is supposed to launch at $20 dollars before then
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: I think the first actual paycoin already happened for a single coin at around $22 soon after the chain launched. Seems like an incredibly small sample size.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00062003 = 15.0667 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: Well, where do you get your information on this subject including price projections?
ikeboy: bingoBoingo: which price projection do you mean? do you want the source that they are claiming to support it at $20?
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: Just whatever feeds your present ideas
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19553 @ 0.00061754 = 12.0748 BTC [-]
ikeboy: BingoBoingo:I think there's a >50% chance of gaw staying honest for at least the next 2 weeks, and someone else thought the odds were >1%, so i propossed a bet
mike_c: there is a 0% chance of gaw being honest. I guess you're betting on when they decide to start running, but the time before that is not known as "being honest"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 920 @ 0.0012 = 1.104 BTC
ikeboy: well, then you should bet at infinite odds against them being honest
BingoBoingo: Well, a time frame has to be included. It took 9 months for pirateat40 to implode, longer for Gox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.11999 = 1.1999 BTC [+]
ikeboy: BingoBoingo: people were saying it wasn't going to launch at $20 in a week like it's supposed to
BingoBoingo: I thought it did that earlier this week already
BingoBoingo: Or has GAW been abusing the word launch again
ikeboy: if i want to buy, but not to sell
mike_c: it looks like it is trading on that crapxchange already?
ikeboy: i can buy for 20, but can only sell for around 10
jurov: "Ethereum launches in about 2 weeks"
mats: more code that doesn't work
BingoBoingo: jurov: For Butterfly Labs definitions of 2 weeks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 19307 @ 0.0012 = 23.1684 BTC {3}
jurov: they can parade some crippled ripple-like stuff and call it launch anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8963 @ 0.00059417 = 5.3255 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: when these companies burn all their cash they'll need more money
thestringpuller: something like "DERP COMPANY to attempt/successfully raise funding in Q# 20XX"
jurov: lol F.DERP hedging?
jurov: well.. since F.DERP isn't trading, replacing it with a bet would be worthwhile
jurov: what about "any D.* derivative on MPEx will pay out before July 1"
jurov: or extra bet for each one?
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu x.idiff.dec expired
davout: jurov: are the x.diffs even still traded?
jurov: even if none traded, ther should be monthly report
jurov: or at least "we'll skip this one"
mike_c: well, an official announcement of the settlement price is useful because it determines the cap on the next quarter.
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jurov: ;;calc 39457671307/10000/100000000
jurov: ^ settlement price, is that right?
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
davout: wtf has kakobrekla been smoking
mike_c: correct settlement price is up to MP I believe, because it flipped on settlement day again
mats: they're quotes from Dead Man
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
empyex: thestringpuller: [X.IDIFF.DEC] Bids:
empyex: thestringpuller: [X.IDIFF.DEC] Asks:
jurov: maybe it traded before.. mhmmmm i should have adatabase for that
jurov: lmao it says there was 1 x.idiff.dec traded on 2012-12-13 and nothing since
punkman: I have 14 kinds of cheese in my fridge
punkman: I think I might get a little fat this christmas
punkman: when did the swiss get so retarded?
punkman: around the time they decided to fix eur/chf?
mats: as the link says, the franc is perceived to be overvalued
mats: bet ya didn't read it in 20 seconds
punkman: I was just going by the title
jurov: the next doge !!!1
mats: i just ate a hundred dumplings, i think im gonna die
mats: nice knowing you guys
mats: tell my mother i converted to christianity in my last moments
mats: it'll make her feel better
jurov: catholic? baptist? orthodox?
mats: the non denominational kind
jurov: such proclamation could make her less happy than before
jurov: "nooo my matsy turned to heresy in his last moments!!!"
mats: is there a tiered system?
punkman: non-denominational is like the cheez whiz of religion
jurov: mats, say you just repented. that's acceptable everywhere
mats: if god ends up being a calvinist and you're an anglican
mats: you end up in cheese whiz heaven rather than nutella heaven
jurov: and if god is catholic, then you inevitably end up in purgatory
mats: tasted like chicken and other things
mats: theres a lot of words on that page
punkman: do the words taste like chicken?
jurov: Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
jurov: danielpbarron: who does these implants?
jurov: i want to get the bible implant
jurov: We believe Scriputure does not condemn masturbation. Although it is typically done in wickedness (Matthew 15:19 "evil thoughts"), it can be done in godliness (Titus 1:15). yay
danielpbarron: it doesn't condemn having multiple wives either, so lots of fun should be possible
jurov: nothing about fags?
jurov: interesting. you do know jesus did not condemn centurion's lover but instead said "your faith healed him"
jurov: ofc the bigots mistranslated it as "slave"
danielpbarron: the Bible doesn't condemn having slaves or slave wives
jurov: you want to say homosexuality is okay if it's master/slave relationship?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1632 @ 0.0012 = 1.9584 BTC
jurov: jesus should say so, then
jurov: i'm certain it ended up in scripture (at least greek one) because it was controversial even then
jurov: if you put paul and old scripture above jesus
jurov: so jesus inspired paul to condemn homosexuality despite he did not say anything himself?
fluffypony: [21:42:07] <+danielpbarron>it doesn't condemn having multiple wives either <- that's not true
danielpbarron: jurov, Jesus is the God of the old testement, the same God that gave the law to Moses
danielpbarron: fluffypony, show me the scripture that says it isn't allowed
fluffypony: so for a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (see, for eg. Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-30:24) - but God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam.
jurov: danielpbarron: he expressly mentions he gave them certain laws previously because their hearts were hard...
fluffypony: then in John 8:28 Jesus Christ reinstituted God's original standard of monogamy
jurov: bah, this won't go anywhere anyway
fluffypony: also when asked about marriage, Jesus said: "He who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh.'"—Matthew 19:4, 5
fluffypony: the Apostle Paul (one of Jesus' disciples) was later inspired by God to write: "Let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband." (in 1 Corinthians 7:2)
fluffypony: the Bible also states that any married man in the congregation who is given special responsibilities must be "a husband of one wife."—1 Timothy 3:2, 12
danielpbarron: yes, but where in any of that does it say "and have no more than one wife"
fluffypony: danielpbarron: "husband of one wife" is pretty unambiguous, as is "his own wife" and "her own husband"
danielpbarron: that's one particular kind of person; not all people
fluffypony: "Let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband" - all peoplea
fluffypony: now "his own wifes" and "her own husbands"
mike_c: oh hey, yeah, plus nobody gives a shit about that old scam.
danielpbarron: that passage is about how a husband owns his wife and a wife owns her husband, and that neither may refuse sex
fluffypony: danielpbarron: so then show me the contrast - where in the Bible does it explicitly allow polygamy?
danielpbarron: fluffypony, nearly all the prominant male figures throughout the Bible had harems of wives and slave wives, and God never scolded them for it
fluffypony: well I don't want to get into a protracted debate...but beyond Solomon that's not true
keystroke: hey fluffypony, didn't think i would see you here :)
keystroke: you peter and i climbed around risto's castle more than a few months back now
danielpbarron: Soloman's error was that his wives were not believers, and they led him to worship false idols
fluffypony: I have a ton of cool photos from that adventure
keystroke: i decided to hang out in this chan for good irc times after reading contravex
keystroke: ah we can discuss the epistemology of personal identity
rithm: i'm more of a "we"
jurov: nah that's just epiphenomena
keystroke: i take a parfitian view on personal identity
keystroke: i do not think it is epiphenomenal, it is clearly causal
ben_vulpes: i take a profiterole view on identity.
jurov: good for you, no prob with polygamy then
keystroke: although i would lean towards polyamory
keystroke: anyway apologies for interrupting the conversation which i can only hope was about orgies
keystroke: haha i have seen polyamory implemented successfully
keystroke: but the male in a polyamorous relationship can be free to roam as well
keystroke: ahh ok well marriage itself is a bigger scam than polyamory in that case
danielpbarron: i guess it depends on what the marriage contract says
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mod6: This month I've been doing testing with the patched version of the reference implementation. Main object here is to get from genesis block to current block, while being able to get past the wedge block 252450. I was able to do that, but not only did we test with ascii's patches and ben's UPNP patch, I added a patch (
http://dpaste.com/1G3XY64) that removes the checkpoints, and a patch (
http://dpaste.com/1K5M2TN) to configure BDB so the R.I. won't
kakobrekla: idk if 'wont wedge' is enough for ascii at this point, but gj!
mod6: I was able to get upto the current block 2 different times with patches 1->5 (which includes ascii's patches, ben's patch, and my removal of checkpoints) with two seperate bdb configs. The first one just changed this: dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(40000); But ended up with a huge amount of BDB tx log files.
mod6: So I looked into what they have set up in v0.9 and it more closely resembles that second dpaste above. If you guys would like to review a bit before I post these to the list, that'd be awesome.
mod6: here's a snippit of what my 300Gb disk looked like with only the dbenv.set_lk_max_locks looked like:
mod6: But yeah, it's still has some leaks in there somewhere, as the R.I. died at least 2 different times from 1->current block, but no more than 3 times. Eitherway, this needs to get resolved. But at least we're headed in the right direction.
☟︎ mod6: I just have a gut-feeling that perhaps as discussed in here before some of these leak problems stem from BOOST, which will be a pita to remove, but a requirement.
mod6: And perhaps could squash that bug at the same time. I need to do more work with gdb while it's sync'ing up to try to get a more accurate picture.
mike_c: you think boost is leaking?
mike_c: i'm no boost fan, but it seems more likely it is in the usage of boost rather than the library itself.
mod6: well, indeed, that could be the case.
mod6: i'll find out, one way or another.
mod6: here's a snippit of what my .bitcoin/database dir looks like with the BDB patch compiled in:
mod6: obv. a lot smaller and only seems to grow up to ~60 log files until it flushes them out.
mod6: mike_c: yeah, should have said "stem from or usage of BOOST" :]
mike_c: yeah, i'm sure you're right. smart pointers, shared pointers, I'm sure it's a minefield.
mod6: I still have a bit more testing to complete before the end of the month, but hopefully will get some additionally time over the remaining 13 days to debug more.
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BingoBoingo: <punkman> non-denominational is like the cheez whiz of religion << Some "non-denominational" churches seem to be the most "extreme" to be polite
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ikeboy: I was here earlier talking about betting on paycoin
ikeboy: is anyone willing to bet against me that paycoin will be worthless in 2 weeks?
BingoBoingo: Probably not, any scam can be kept afloat for two weeks
ikeboy: They claim that they will buy any coins for $20 starting monday. If they don't, it will probably drop
ikeboy: afaik, that's the only thing giving it value right now, the expectation of a payout on monday
thestringpuller: just make bitbet and see what happens if you're so intrigued
ikeboy: bitbet doesn't have odds betting
ikeboy: so I can't know how much i get if im right
ikeboy: besides, i think the market would mostly agree with me, but there were some people on irc that didn't, so i want to get money out of them
ikeboy: i'm making a betmoose event right now
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is... Which betting platform actually brings... bettors with money to the bets?
ikeboy: i don't know, i've made money on fairlay, but not in the amounts I want to bet on this