assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00035894 = 4.8457 BTC [-]
cazalla: anyone have a windows phone?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1756 @ 0.00121769 = 2.1383 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4275 @ 0.00122498 = 5.2368 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3629 @ 0.001225 = 4.4455 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1301 @ 0.00122999 = 1.6002 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1676 @ 0.00123548 = 2.0707 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34352 @ 0.00035485 = 12.1898 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu cute! that's pretty much what the non-migratory fauna look like here atm. twas -35C last week, though a blessed -10C today
pete_dushenski: though i tend to spend >1 month per winter somewhere warm so it's easy for me to say :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00034255 = 19.5939 BTC [-] {3}
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mircea_popescu: "Perhaps he was handed the story by the CIA, as German journalist Udo Ulfkotte confesses he often was."
mircea_popescu: this is true tho. numerically : the poor used to have 0.8 opportunity, and the rich 0.75
undata: "notice, I've created this graph."
undata: *audience nods vigorously*
undata: *breaks finger upvoting*
undata: "And the 1990s, remember, were the good times for the middle class."
undata: yes I'm sure it feels great when you're running up your credit cards with abandon
undata: feels not so great when you have to start paying them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00033771 = 9.7429 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: they've got the opportunity to send their kids to college :D
mike_c: totally on topic: can someone tell me how to say "date of birth" in spanish/mexican
mike_c: thanks. that what google translate said but i didn't know if that was just robot talk.
undata: +asciilifeform | why not skip straight to chattel slavery - more honest, makes immediate sense to everybody. << this is "why propaganda?" isn't it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not sure if you've noticed, but the movement is AWAY from direct sense, towards meta.
undata: asciilifeform: the metaphor needs the horses to get smaller the more of them there are :D
mircea_popescu: this'd work fine in practice for as long as the martian contraption owner didn't also have a cock
mircea_popescu: but a state with economic involvement and the custody of the currency is like...
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undata: it seems like in state-run economies, when they print money what they're actually manufacturing is ownership
undata: then you can rent ownership from the state, but never have it yourself
undata: hence you receive "ownership" from the state but have to give it back more
undata: sure, then he can either steal from you, or print more, which steals from you just the same
undata: asciilifeform: how bout ownership of power?
undata: it seems fitting, the state in this case can issue power, but revoke it at will
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46744 @ 0.00035476 = 16.5829 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but if you look at it, pretty much all effort goes towards meta.
undata: well sure, I pay my landlord to rent this apt, he pays the bank for the building and the state for the dirt
undata: seems like the bank and the state both own some ownership
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27006 @ 0.00035384 = 9.5558 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you're not "supposed to" beat your own kids. you're supposed to... "be better than that". and do it ? indirectly! ha! win.
mircea_popescu: ask some chick if she wants to get laid ? o but... not meta enough!
mircea_popescu: what's more socially acceptable than playing the farmer on facebook ?
mircea_popescu: the only reason hipsters have moved on to bikes is that they're meta cars
mircea_popescu: what's all teh "ironic" trend if not, you know, "i'm meta-er than you ha!"
undata: ah when I hear meta I think metaprogramming
undata: ah I was just ranting earlier about how all american communication has been reduced to marketing
undata: reminds me of the Bill Hicks routine where he tells everyone in marketing in the audience to kill themselves
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between us here is that you seem to include the margin. i say there's no margin included.
undata: "the recovery" << there's a good one
undata: it's the economic "jesus is coming back"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11094 @ 0.00035612 = 3.9508 BTC [+]
undata: mircea_popescu: does the disease reduce to "can't tell the difference between imagined and perceived"
undata: and having said that, I can already see the problem with that framing
undata: I can name delusional thinking much more easily than I can say to what coherent thinking might be anchored
undata: there's both a bootstrapping problem there as well as a finger-vs-moon thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00034619 = 6.9238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19527 @ 0.00034619 = 6.7601 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: seriously, "certified bitcoin professional" ?! professional whats ?
mircea_popescu: The CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) establishes cryptocurrency standards that help ensure a balance of openness & privacy, security & usability, and trust & decentralization.
mircea_popescu: The following people work to set the direction of C4 and the standards against which cryptocurrency professionals are measured:
mircea_popescu: dude holy shit already. how much derpage can this one dude sprout.
decimation: re: mechanical fetish << one thing I don't get are mechanical watches, they have poor accuracy
mircea_popescu: and of course diiorio and the rest of that scammer group.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I wonder if Buterin has an assistant who just helps him spout derpage. "Paid Derpage Roller", much like Snoop Dogg (Lion?)'s "Blunt Roller".
decimation: maybe the real bitcoin foundation can apply for a certification
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin tipping sees giant growth: ChangeTip exceeds 10,000 tips in bla bla.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there's something chilling me on bitcoin as much as all these idiots "driving adoption" in their idiotarian ways.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94352 @ 0.00034888 = 32.9175 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> i dunno that there's something chilling me on bitcoin as much as all these idiots "driving adoption" in their idiotarian ways. << OMG SELL
decimation: yeah the vocal derp ratio is pretty high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00033714 = 8.1756 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah I meant seal. SEAL ALL THE CLUBS!!!
mircea_popescu: isn't this the guy that's active on like twitter and stuff ?
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decimation: I guess usg is tacitly admitting it had no case and is frightened of an appeal
decimation: either that or the guy flipped on someone
mircea_popescu: “While the videos at issue in this litigation do not in my opinion depict any improper treatment of the detainees, but rather the lawful, humane and appropriate interaction between guards and detainees,” wrote U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Sinclair Harris, “persons and entities hostile to the United States and its detention of enemy belligerents at Guantánamo Bay are likely to think otherwise.”
undata: liberation from hunger
undata: I should learn latin just so I have something to think in when they're done turning english into shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00033633 = 9.6863 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ^ Anyone with /. account pls vote up. Will thank with absolution of sin.
undata: Therefore, why not cap the number of hashes per second? If the operations were capped at say, 250khash/sec based upon system clock and not the available number of cycles, then anyone with the "minimum requirements" could participate << cap the standards of your wife so everyone can participate
decimation: "we would gladly destroy the rich man's nice things just so we call all have poor hovels"
undata: seems like a drive related to being suicidal
mircea_popescu: actually i think it's related to forcing whiny nerds to defend their fucking civ1 cities,
decimation: I never bother to invest in military units until I have good tech
decimation: but I can be easily owned by aggressive barbarians
decimation: this strategy works better in civ 5 where your cities can magically defend themselves
undata: sprint to nukes, destroy earth, rule over the radioactive wasteland.
mircea_popescu: i only played civ 1, but nukes were a splendid tool to destory ships
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i only played civ 1, but nukes were a splendid tool to destory ships << This, in civ2 I loaded aircraft carriers with nuclear missiles
BingoBoingo: However many nukes +1 fighter jet for defense
BingoBoingo: I always tried to keep my territory under my flag small, clean, and well developed while oppressing the rest of the world
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3568 @ 0.00035585 = 1.2697 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo remembers being a Junior in college and contemplating buying a giant pile of Liberty Dollars. Then I go BTC to silver around $100/BTC, Should have got those liberty dollars and went the other direction.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean the fork they want already exists in Google's "android", a linux built with the OpenBSD libc
BingoBoingo: Right, and they want to kill big kernel lock, upon which I dunno you can build security.
BingoBoingo: According to him flappy plane is a total mischaracterization of his vision
BingoBoingo: I think the entire point of the OpenBSD financial crisis was an allergy to strings
BingoBoingo: I dunno that there's a better reason at all.
BingoBoingo: Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight
decimation: the only feature on the list of improvements that I find remotely appealing is the fdisk tool
decimation: openbsd disk partitioning is kinda annoying
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well Hammer2fs might happen before 5.9 or 6.0...
BingoBoingo: But seriously OpenBSD disk partitioning is MUCH better than Solaris 9 and 10
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48535 @ 0.00036034 = 17.4891 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73517 @ 0.00037288 = 27.413 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: LVM is annoying to configure but it is highly flexible
mod6: it's just old school, thats all.
decimation: well, the whole thing is going to be shot in the head when high speed non-volatile memory is common
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 00:37:16; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because the whole disk-ram dichotomy is predicated on volatile ram.
BingoBoingo: So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge?
BingoBoingo: Big firm in Chicago so I want to ad a Chicago sucks surcharge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00037567 = 18.0322 BTC [+]
decimation: my company sells my time at $210 per hour, but that's bezzle rates with bezzle qualifications
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, what does an expert witness make?
decimation: well, it's a supply and demand thing right?
BingoBoingo: I'm fine quoting a price in bezzel dollars
Vexual: bout 180 should slot you in politely between the photocopier kid and the big boys
decimation: maintenance on those helicopters alone would run easily a couple mil per year. this must be some kind of laundry
assbot: dgeats +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
dgeats: just make it an even 1 BTC
BingoBoingo: The hassel of going to Chicago is expensive
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ben_vulpes: master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000
decimation: asciilifeform: brand new helicopters require maintenance too
decimation: plus I thought they were getting busted down old war birds
decimation: probably not little birds though, probably something more like UH-1
decimation: I think if I were to buy an aircraft I would get a turboprop or small jet
decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders how much longer usg can afford choppermeisters when drones are obviously better and cheaper
decimation: except in actually moving cargo & humans
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Vexual: they'd be good at atms
ben_vulpes: repeat until scoopbot arrives for inert meatsack.
decimation: asciilifeform: my impression upon listening to police helicopter chatter is tha a majority of the calls for a helicopter come when either a kid wonders off or some perp tries to run from the po-lice
decimation: both of those missions could easily be performed by drone
decimation: eh, my impression is that they don't enforce traffic from the air much
decimation: or if they do, it's usually in cooperation with cops on the ground
decimation: maryland is famous for having speed traps where a whole gang of cops wait - bravely stepping into the roadway and flagging speeders
decimation: if the camera has automatic gimble, it hardly matters if the craft is stationary
decimation: fixed-wing aircraft are much more fuel efficient
ben_vulpes: i was noodling on a fully-actuated flying wing last night.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Tase is part of why the UNHCR is shitting on USG atm
ben_vulpes: 2 turbines perpendicular to long axis, with piping adequate to vector the thing around any of its axes.
decimation: ben_vulpes: was this a remote-control aircraft?
ben_vulpes: adequate, but also wicked performance gained by virtue of being able to control angle of attack.
ben_vulpes: decimation: it'd have to have the controller onboard.
Vexual: asciilifeform: is it beacuse they didn't have swarms of irritant devlivery drones?
decimation: with enough raw thrust, aerodynamics don't matter, can dance your vectoring fighter jet tango-style
Vexual: fair answer, they weren't expecting it
ben_vulpes: decimation: still gotta get from point a to b - i'd like to see a thing that eschewed flaps for ducted turbine exhaust.
decimation: ben_vulpes: well, personal jet packs are fun, but not exactly fuel efficient
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:38; asciilifeform: for instance, they see their country as having 'sat for the same exam' as the ussr, and passed, while the latter flunked.
ben_vulpes: decimation: that's why i've always advocated going straight up with jets and then drifting sideways for as long as possible
ben_vulpes: decimation: imagine a really high aspect ratio diamond
decimation: well, ultimately you could build a rocket that propels you to the high altitude winds of the stratosphere and unfolds massive delicate wings
ben_vulpes: two turbines aligned perpendicular to the long axis, with vent outputs from the turbines outputs all the way out at the tips of the diamond.
ben_vulpes: that way you have full control over pitch, roll, yaw
ben_vulpes: with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly.
decimation: my understanding is that it wastes alot of fuel
ben_vulpes: decimation: not a "thrust reverser": flip the whole beast around its long axis
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: vtol requires ducting thrust orthogonally to operating thrust vector
decimation: ben_vulpes: would the diamond shape generate much lift?
ben_vulpes: so long as it has ducted thrust at the tips of both the long axis and short axis, you can arbitrarily dictate its angle of attack.
decimation: yeah I kinda see what you are getting at
ben_vulpes: (almost needless to say that the vectoring needs to go in both directions)
ben_vulpes: nothing but exhaust valves and delta-f control systems.
decimation: no but the thrust control would be complicated
BingoBoingo: Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates.
decimation: so how are you going to stabilize your flying wing?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's the only kinda vtol that'll work
decimation: asciilifeform: that's neat, would be useful to have stowed in your submarine
decimation: right, active stabilization implies fast computers (fairly easy) with lots of fast reacting thrust valves right?
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: what was your asking rate
decimation: asciilifeform: note, there's not any external gimbaled camera
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel.
☟︎ decimation: other than the retainer that's pretty much in line for a qualified professional
ben_vulpes: decimation: bang bang pneumatic valves aren't terribly hard to put together.
decimation: ben_vulpes: it is a neat concept. It would probably make a neat little drone too
BingoBoingo: If I'm an expert I ought to be making more than the lawyers when I read and talk.
BingoBoingo: And per diem is essential too, because if I'm going to chicago I'm not staying in a fucking Motel 8. I'm staying in the Sheraton, as a professional.
ben_vulpes: artists and armsmiths both need patrons.
decimation: but then again, it's not like flying wings are unknown to aircraft designers. I wonder why they aren't more popular
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:they almost certainly laboured under an illusion of one kind or another. << that illusion is "money"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight << actually vampires are your friends.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge? << go for 40. too low you won't seem that expert. too high they'll just get antonoderp.
BingoBoingo: 125 seems the minimum for non-medical with self respect
mircea_popescu: Expert Witness Fees for Trial, File Review and Depositions
mircea_popescu: On average, experts charge significantly more for their time while testifying at trial and deposition than their time while conducting file reviews and preparing. The average hourly fee for all experts was $385 for in-court testimony, $353 for depositions and $254 for file reviews and preparation. The average hourly fee for trial testimony is 52% higher than the average hourly fee for file reviews and preparation.
decimation: asciilifeform: the soviets had a line of 'ground effect' aircraft if I recall
BingoBoingo: I'll still have to insist on minimum hours/retainer/compensation from suffering the cold north of Chicago
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000 << bitcoin ovopository ?
mircea_popescu: isn't jp-4 the thing that gets a lot of static if it flows ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00036609 = 17.0964 BTC [-] {2}
decimation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-4_(fuel) << "JP-4 was a non-conductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge could cause a fire. Beginning in the the mid-1980s an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the
decimation: equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded."
decimation: at any rate, I was distinguishing jet fuel from '100LL' commonly used in small piston engines
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly. <<< someone's fascinated with dragonflies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates. << how much did you post ?
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2014 05:21:20; BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "dragonflies" << well who doesn't love excellent cruising performance *and* agility?!
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be interesting to see how much heat is lost in the cable flex movement
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can't really see anything like that working anywhere near the speed of sound.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've an 0.5.3 that's happily chugging along with the new db config vals.
ben_vulpes: the BDB docs themselves say to experiment with the lock number until it works
ben_vulpes: i stopped it at 251442 to snapshot the db, and again at 260*** (something) to provide resources to transfer the blockchain bzip elsewhere
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll let you know if it exhausts memory.
ben_vulpes: there are worse things in the world than restarting the thing occasionally while work proceeds.
mod6: well, aside from that, i think the goal is still to rip out BDB eventually anyway.
mod6: first, we just wanted to bypass the wedge block so we can catch up to the main chain.
ben_vulpes: an 0.5.3 that needs a kick in the ass a few times a day but can still catch up to chainhead trumps a power ranger hardfork with no published and serenissima-signed alternative.
mod6: first make it work, then we make it pretty
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform would hold that "it doesn't work".
mircea_popescu: im starting to suspect buterin is actually a manufactured identity.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i actually met him once.
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Vexual: i think i may have met that mastercard derp
ben_vulpes: well, someone with the face plastered everywhere.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.00037829 = 22.3569 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: i refuse to claim knowledge of anything anymore. downright dangerous.
BingoBoingo: ^ Dude sat next to Obama Monday, charged Thursday
Vexual: he looks like danny brewster
decimation: mackay kind of revived gallager's work in the 60's with ldpc codes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a "bitcoin" "conference"
Vexual: "I certainly don't want anyone mining technology ... away from my control" <<this would sound more intelligent if he was stuttering
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.0003632 = 6.8009 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: back when he was still playing "journo"
Vexual: can you just buy usd to offset expenses?
Vexual: pay more in bc, but arrive with 12 trillion pesos
ben_vulpes: Vexual: or take more btc. arsfolk love btc.
ben_vulpes: love even more buying them with pesos.
gribble: Error: "usd" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55562 @ 0.0003803 = 21.1302 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: the dog and the banknote
Vexual: what it doubles as a hammer?
decimation: asciilifeform: why planar package for hand soldering? why not dip?
decimation: need plating machine, need drill press?
decimation: asciilifeform: did they do much wire wrap?
decimation: I guess that costs - need pins, wire, etc
mats_cd03: coming up on xmas. where's my cardano?!
decimation: ben_vulpes: I'm running a patched version of 0.5.3 with your fix, see if I can replicate results
Vexual: i don't know much about electronics, but fuck i go thruogh some hookup wire
Vexual: prolly why i like perl
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Vexual: oh hell no, it neads tinning
decimation: old-school electronics construction technique
Vexual: but thats my favourite part
mircea_popescu: course bakc when i was a kid we had this breadboard with springed clamps
decimation: yeah student still use spring breadboard
decimation: it has poor characteristics with any kind of high frequency
decimation: properly done it is more reliable than soldering
decimation: I think it is still used today to construct some satellites
Vexual: easier to probe for errors perhaps?
decimation: with copper too I guess. it's prone to weird 'whisker' formation
decimation: asciilifeform: no, more reliable than lead solder with extreme temp and vibration
Vexual: ive got a few spools of very old solder
Vexual: sticks like poo to a blanket
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52879 @ 0.00036796 = 19.4574 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'most reliable' alloy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1735 @ 0.00124992 = 2.1686 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15021 @ 0.00036796 = 5.5271 BTC [-]
decimation: well, literally $$bn have been invested on the current path
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30229 @ 0.00038125 = 11.5248 BTC [+]
decimation: which is basically the same argument as "but x86 has the warez"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1349 @ 0.00124995 = 1.6862 BTC [+]
decimation: well I'm going to retire, good evening gents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38667 @ 0.00037853 = 14.6366 BTC [-] {2}
badon: Is it accomplishing someone to prevent people from speaking?
badon: Is it accomplishing something to prevent people from speaking?
BingoBoingo: badon: If you register with gribble and get rated you can self voice
badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble.
badon: You could just handle that the standard way by requiring people to be registered with nickserv to be voiced.
BingoBoingo: But you have need of gribble if you want to self voice. Defeating nickserv would make impersonating other people too easy
badon: What do you mean by defeating nickserv?
midnightmagic: nickserv is broken anyway and doesn't have static identity
badon: What does impersonating people have to do with me?
BingoBoingo: Freenode gets hacked. Gribble's a second factor for identifying your self
badon: BingoBoingo: Right, but why is that second factor critical just to merely speak?
badon: I'm very skeptical that's necessary.
BingoBoingo: Voice is based on identity and nickserv sucks at identity
badon: Is trading a part of this channel?
badon: I've never seen anything happen here...
badon: Hmm, OK, then I'm still skeptical anything at all is being accomplished by preventing me from speaking.
BingoBoingo: I don't really know how you are being prevented. You joined and a person voiced you, right?
badon: Right, but what is being accomplished by that extra step?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46420 @ 0.00038405 = 17.8276 BTC [+]
badon: I can't think of anything.
badon: maybe there's something I'm simply not aware of.
badon: ...like the purpose of this channel, haha
BingoBoingo: Purpose of the channel takes a few months.
badon: So I've been told :)
BingoBoingo: The voice thing though is that words have meaning, and the strength of that is predicated on the person doing the speaking. Hence strong identification as opposed to weak identification.
badon: I feel dirty every time I send a password to nickserv or chanserv on IRC, but in my case, I use SASL and the Tor hidden service, so it's not plaintext like it might be for ordinary IRC connections.
BingoBoingo: Also nickserv registered names expire rather quickly
BingoBoingo: Only a few weeks of inactivity before freenode drops tham
BingoBoingo: badon: Retarded is a large part of why, different system
badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says.
badon: In fact, my business style is to be suspicious of anyone who insists on formal contracts. If they don't trust me, I don't want to do business with them, and vice versa.
badon: That style has made life easy.
badon: If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key.
Vexual: theres the web of trust
Vexual: and i f you were invested in yourself badon, i'd trust you to do business on the net
badon: Vexual: Yes, that's how most of the best business people choose who they do business with.
badon: A venture capitalist wants to see an entrepreneur's children's college funds on the line, along with contracts to send them off to work in the mines. Then the VC might take them seriously as somebody who's going to do their best to not lose the business.
badon: More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources.
Vexual: id wanna see the vcs moneys too
mats_cd03: i'm struggling to take you seriously
badon: Vexual: Usually VC's are already well-known for having deep pockets.
badon: Otherwise, no one would approach them. VC's don't normally solicit businesses to invest in them.
Vexual: yeah googles known for deep pockets, do you intall any app with any priveledges?
badon: Vexual: I have no idea what you just said.
Vexual: i kinda work free association
badon: That sounds like a chemistry experiment.
punkman: people trade all kinds of things on #bitcoin-otc, so it'd be useful for you to get in that
punkman: but it's not a web of trades
punkman: so we use it for all kinds of things
BingoBoingo: <badon> If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key. << You can effectively indict them with the text they've signed
BingoBoingo: <badon> My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says. << Trust isn't a point system though, it is a name system.
punkman: also if by "formal contract" you mean that thing with 50 pages some lawyers drafted, yeah we don't usually like those either.
badon: I'm sure somebody has a mathematical model of different ways to quantify trust.
punkman: it's not about quantity at all
punkman: total rating is indeed useless as a number
BingoBoingo: A person's a shithead or they aren't. If they aren't a shithead there's going to be qualitative reasons why they aren't a shithead.
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Vexual: you never know how you look through other peoples eyes
badon: BingoBoingo: No, that's not true. A person might be kind and trustworthy to everyone except Jews, or people who's names start with Q, or whatever. In other words, there is no predictive value in any of these trust models. In other words again, there is no formula.
Vexual: unless you're in the wot
BingoBoingo: badon: Right, that's why it's qualitative rather than quantitative
badon: Some criminals specialize in building trust, and then violating it. That's why they're called "cons", with the word "con" being an abbreviation for "confidence".
badon: BingoBoingo: In other words, pointless to try to quantify, certainly not worth the bother of forcing it on people.
Vexual: you won't find many connable people here
BingoBoingo: Well, you have to know people you can ask about people
Vexual: badon: if you wanna quantify people you might as well bring a tank
badon: Vexual: You misunderstand, I'm saying I DON'T want to quantify people, because it's impossible.
badon: It's like asking what color fruit is.
Vexual: heres me thinking you're working for mastercard
badon: It's a question that is answerable on a case-by-case basis only.
BingoBoingo: Sure, that's why you want to identify people
Vexual: cool, i suppose we are in agreeance somewhere
badon: Vexual: You're not too far off the mark. I'm heavily involved in business.
badon: BingoBoingo: That helps, but I don't think it helps as much as everyone wishes it did.
badon: BingoBoingo: Cash on the table, everyone around it armed to the teeth.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but you still want to deal with a name and not an anon derp
badon: Either everyone dies in the next 2 minutes, or they all go home a little richer.
badon: BingoBoingo: I'll take the anon derp's cash.
BingoBoingo: I dunno I'd want to be around anon derp and armed anon friends, maybe they're dumb and think heist?
BingoBoingo: Chance of pulling of a heist might be worth it to anon derp
badon: Yeah, this gets into the realm of "how retarded is your neighbor?".
Vexual: one time things nearly always hurt everyone invol,ved
badon: If you live in Africa, for example, anon derps will risk their lives (and yours) just to get your shoes. In North Europe, an armored car with open doors might not be worth the bother when you can just show up to work every day and earn a good income.
Vexual: scam or robbery, it's not what you want
Ralt: just lurking for now :)
BingoBoingo: Well if you want to lurk faster there's a link to logs in the topic so you can lurk the past too
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Ralt: BingoBoingo: what's this chan for exactly?
BingoBoingo: Good question. It's subtle. Takes time to realize that.
Ralt: I heard that there were lispers around, and that this'd be an interesting place. Is all
Ralt: so... I was just curious and went in.
Ralt: this is about all the information I have :)
BingoBoingo: Yeah plenty of lispers, think most of them are sleeping atm
Vexual: or making jetplanes with fucked up control systems
Vexual: 4 joysticks and a bluntlighter
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mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust
mats_cd03: i thought it'd get better, but it didn't, just one guy derping
BingoBoingo: Thought it was going to be a discussion of voice
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Vexual: i bet vuples could fly that thing, 4 joysticks and a debug panel
Vexual: meanwhile aour two favourite female rappers named for rhododhendrons are in a twitter feud
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Vexual: ;;google chappie release date
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mircea_popescu: badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble. << lmao
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mircea_popescu: "hey, I want to do x" "so get in wot" "but i have no need of it". well...
mircea_popescu: badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. <<< you are wrong. period and full stop. swallow this and change or get lost. also full stop.
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mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust <<< that's what fucking happens with noobs ALL THE DAMNED TIME. But they know better! But why won't people who do thinks professionally consider their input! But amateurism is a do-ocracy! But reasons! But considerations! But he's not read five years of tardstalk so five years of tardstalk has never happened. Let's do it again!
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone got a localbitcoins account that they're using ? is that thing any cereal ?
cazalla: used it once for a buy, went ok, seems to be plenty of scammers too
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nubbins`: localbitcoins is ripe for scammers
nubbins`: something about they lock up funds in a peculiar way, with onus on btc seller to prove tx went thru?
mircea_popescu: but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it.
mircea_popescu: absolute fucking astroturfing. idiot faux-bitcoin-foundation types push this sort of arrangement where i dunno, they buy an empanada to random people to say they're "accepting bitcoin" then populate all sorts of crudiferous web2.0 apps, maps and random websites.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it isuperficially it appears there's "hundreds" of places in a 12 million inhabitant town, which is somehow notable (srsly ?). if you actually investigate it, you soon discover they're all fictitious.
mircea_popescu: sure, some guy kinda remembers someone buying him a beer to say something or the other with coinsomething in it. last year.
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nubbins`: "your email address is invalid" "which one did i use?" "nubs@nubs.nubs"
mircea_popescu: for the record, bitpagos is some delaware start-up, looking to be bought out. it's playing the numbers game. the numbers are based on what numbers usually are based on, in fraudlandia i mean the internet.
nubbins`: i do keep hearing buzz about bitcoin in .ar but figured it was just like everywhere else
nubbins`: i.e. a couple neckbeards & wizards puffing themselves up
cazalla: don't they have a bitcoin embassy in ar?
nubbins`: as if argentinians are looking for ANOTHER currency to gamble with
mircea_popescu: buncha 20something year olds, "designers" and "web experts" and whatnot, with their bike and their 0.18 btc in some sort of wallet that cost them .28
mircea_popescu: except they're about as intellectually indolent as the mexican stereotype goes.
nubbins`: meh. my first result was "easy money breeds indolence"
nubbins`: o and the first edition of the bird book is now sold out
nubbins`: also got in touch w/ the manufacturer of the paper we've been using, they said they have one roll left that they'd be willing to cut into sheets for us... but it's 1000 sheets at $3.05ea
nubbins`: which, i have to say, is a fucking bogus price
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nubbins`: that's pretty close to broadsheet, yes
mircea_popescu: uh. a broadsheet is like .4 sqm. what's this, 250 gram paper ?
nubbins`: 250gsm black cotton, acid-free, archival quality
nubbins`: two deckled edges, one smooth side, one lightly toothed :D
nubbins`: i was expecting $2-$2.25 per sheet
nubbins`: actually the cotton plant does not die when you pick the cotton
fluffypony: I'm going to become carnivorous to stop abuse of plants
fluffypony: and throw jars of green paint at printers
nubbins`: anyway, i'll probably just switch over to Stonehenge paper after this shit runs out.
nubbins`: the pages are slightly less thick, 175gsm dead-tree
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mats_cd03: they're finally admitting it to themselves
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes thestringpuller you know that qntrra piece came out really good.
danielpbarron: i've done quite a few face-to-face trades via localbitcoins; never used their escrow. just used it to post my phone number
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ben_vulpes: <badon> More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources. << lol return of spamgun?
mats_cd03: just a guy with an inflated sense of self.
mats_cd03: who still worships at the altar of VC cock, apparently
mats_cd03: kinda bored, i've been holding down an IT job since june
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. << "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional.
mats_cd03: doing different things like studying the windows kernel, trying to learn malware analysis fundamentals and some of the tooling, docker deployment for dev and prod for a friend's website, and working on the courts circus project
mats_cd03: wishing i'd be free of the 9-5 drudgery
undata: or uh, too busy to notice otherwise
undata: also good morning to you both, or whatever time of day it may be
ben_vulpes: gotta send everyone polite notifications of who's responsible each and every time now to make a point.
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ben_vulpes: dockerizing so that deploying CI in the future is a matter of running the provisioner and waiting a minute.
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional. << cristina's been cracking down.
ben_vulpes: i'm intrigued to see if any of my contacts pick up when i come back.
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cazalla: it's a week since bitcoin black friday and still, no stats from bitpay, it must've been a total flop
punkman: yeah who wants to buy things at ,,ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 373.92, Best ask: 373.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 373.92, 24 hour volume: 7766.05646487, 24 hour low: 363.99, 24 hour high: 374.2, 24 hour vwap: 370.711003633
cazalla: that habbo hotel bitcoin conference is on lol
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mircea_popescu: (if you don't recall her, the girl with the wooden block up her cunt from just-dice)
BingoBoingo: I thought she spelled her nick pikachu as in the pokemon
jurov: Drones and semi-autonomous household robots could be made to be controllable from a tablet or smartphone. Distributed markets for drone operators, some of them living in mud huts with nothing more than solar power and mesh-networks, could be very competitive!
jurov: mircea's drone vibrators...but the mud hut concept is novel
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undata: mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell the js horde
mircea_popescu: no dude totally, it's gonna be forked like 6 more times over 2015 and by 2016 it'll be like css.
undata: that wouldn't surprise me
undata: mircea_popescu: did you see that some derps are forking openbsd?
undata: apparently it's not future enough so they're going to add more future
mircea_popescu: my theory here being that substantial projects benefit from spurious forking, because it soaks up the idiots and sends them away. whereas spurious projects suffer from forking, because well, there's no way to distinguish the shards.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how the same problems that sink centrally planned economies make market economies thrive
undata: right, I'd assumed that anyone working on bitrig was rejected from openbsd proper
mircea_popescu: (and of course my way to distinguiosh the shards - "who's in charge ?" - is exactly acid to the eyes of the spuriomancers)
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mircea_popescu: is there a word for the activity of "going through your private stash of girlfriend pr0n" ?
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mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 of course, seeing how the prize is ~10x a fiverr, that article is highly arbitrageable i guess.
mats_cd03: ya. i'm going out tonight, so if someone wants to, you've got about a day to beat me to it
mats_cd03: found you a translator and everything!
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BingoBoingo: "Any responsible citizen can file suit" << Why write a derp piece then and not a suit?
mats_cd03: can't afford to pay to be laughed at by a judge
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but they came to a consensus so who are we to disagree?
cazalla: btw i logged into the habbo hotel confrence, all the sponsored booths are pretty much bots, hardly any guests either for me to troll :\
mats_cd03: ben_vulpes: have you tried out Fig for docker deployments? its nice.
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undata: mircea_popescu: "pool's closed due to aids"
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mircea_popescu: how's that flaming idiocy in slate under "jurisprudence" ?
mircea_popescu: Delta Kappa Epsilon’s Yale chapter is in its fourth year of a five-year suspension that followed an episode in which pledges paraded through a residential quad chanting, “No means yes; yes means anal.”
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah, see mats_cd03 link
cazalla: BingoBoingo, "When the woman tried to drive around them, the suspects reportedly pulled out a firearm, so she stopped the car." the fuck? run em down!
BingoBoingo: That's probably what will happen next time.
mats_cd03: lol some kids are demonstrating nearby
undata: BingoBoingo: White teenagers << southern classlessness is colorblind
mats_cd03: i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away
mats_cd03: i bet 1btc they give up before 7PM so they can pregame for a party tonight
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jurov: mats_cd03: against whom?
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