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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19527 @ 0.00041069 = 8.0195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5323 @ 0.00040978 = 2.1813 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/25/us-china-tech-exclusive-idUSKBN0LT1B020150225 << lulzies
assbot: Exclusive: China drops leading technology brands for state purchases| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17zMg6M )
ben_vulpes: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32423?project=1 << emacs over x11. am i the only one who does this?
assbot: FS#32423 : [emacs] emacsclient consistently crashes emacs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be6TBu )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: over x11 vs what ?
ben_vulpes: in a terminal.
asciilifeform: i've only ever used emacs in x11
asciilifeform: ditto most folks i know
ben_vulpes: i've finally grown up a bit then i guess.
asciilifeform: is ben_vulpes using some perverse system ?
ben_vulpes: oh come now, don't be coy.
asciilifeform: netbsd on dead goat ?
asciilifeform: ah let me guess
ben_vulpes is baffled as to why guessing would be necessary
asciilifeform: iirc the canonical emacs on apple is 'aquamacs'
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/AkFy40Z.jpg << hey look consumers!
asciilifeform: mostly trad emacs but with gui hooks for the os
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: the progression was
ben_vulpes: aquamacs -> railwaycat emacs port -> erc in a terminal on a remote host -> frustrations with tiling window managers in os x -> discovery of xmonad, ratpoison and friends -> x11 configuration -> stumpwm -> emacs on os x in x11 -> horrific bastard mode of "znc" on local machine with "znc" running on remote host -> emacs on remote host as bouncer displaying on a local x11 frame
ben_vulpes: followed by emacsclient crashing emacs --daemon every time the x11 frame disappeared
ben_vulpes: all for want of a workstation, i suppose.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: VIM 4 LYFE
thestringpuller graffiti's his nice EMACS setup
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i presume the second item on this list was a build of traditional emacs for apple ?
asciilifeform: why switched from that to the remote thing ?
asciilifeform: (if this was in the log - link to log)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: novice's bouncer.
ben_vulpes: i like manipulating text in emacs, but wanted a persistent connection to b-a.
ben_vulpes: the most obvious route to me at the time was to run emacs in a terminal on a remote host.
asciilifeform opened today's mail, is leafing through 'ada 95 rationale' and it's a joy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i enjoy colours, good fonts, etc. and so will not use emacs in a term if there's any choice about it
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: why not use a screen multiplexer? like tmux or screen?
cazalla: thestringpuller, i like this one better :P http://i.imgur.com/aFYebE1.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be9Fqy )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what typeface do you use?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: laugh if you will, misc-fixed-medium-r-normal
ben_vulpes: i don't really know enough to laugh.
asciilifeform: emacs is unbeatable on account of the customizations - not only of appearance (i've a different highlighting mode for every type of animal, and most are not the stock included ones) but mechanics - how do folks get along on other editors without 'hungry arrow keys', for example ?
ben_vulpes: all i really know is how to ask about what others do and run my own experiments.
ben_vulpes: hungry arrow keys?
asciilifeform: aha
ben_vulpes: i've no idea what you mean...
asciilifeform: as in, never having to hit an arrow key more than once to traverse a block of whitespace
mike_c: press ctrl?
trinque M-x package-install
asciilifeform: mike_c: not same
asciilifeform: mike_c: and not cross-mode
trinque: ben_vulpes: https://github.com/neersighted/nbnc << I might try this out
assbot: neersighted/nbnc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BebNyF )
trinque: it claims to be what I want
trinque: hm, no buffering
trinque: nvm
ben_vulpes: give up
ben_vulpes: put emacs on a remote host
ben_vulpes: x11 tunnel
ben_vulpes: be stupid like me
trinque: :(
trinque: right now I'm just weechatting in a tmux+mosh
trinque: unix philosophy is dead
trinque: where is the simple bouncer
trinque: heh! https://github.com/nicferrier/shoes-off
assbot: nicferrier/shoes-off · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Becqbe )
trinque: would hilariously not remove remote emacs from your current setup
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: hungry arrow keys << VIM i rarely use arrow keys...
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: re tmux etc like alf, i pretty much refuse to work in a terminal
ben_vulpes: it's good for the things for which it is good
ben_vulpes: but for other things, it is not.
ben_vulpes: htop - good
ben_vulpes: emacs - not.
thestringpuller: trinque: weechat interesting. i use irssi.
ben_vulpes: for instance, i hate weechat and irssi.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i used to belive this but I don't like using mice. I find the use of a mouse kills my wrist.
ben_vulpes: cutting and pasting etc must fit within emacs text manipulation paradigms.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: who said anything about mice?
thestringpuller: this is also why I hate IDE's that have "buttons"
ben_vulpes: i never take my hands off the keyboard.
ben_vulpes: do you take me for a menu-traverser?
thestringpuller: what is your stack?
thestringpuller: ^- ben_vulpes
trinque: thestringpuller: weechat's kind of butt, just less butt than other things I've used
thestringpuller: trinque: ah. the only client i've used is mirc, and as I just told ben_vulpes i hate mice.
trinque: what mouse?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: stack?
trinque: shit I even vimperator
thestringpuller: thestringpuller: like what OS, browser, text editor do you use on your local that you don't have to use a mouse to navigate?
ben_vulpes: fine, you got me. not "never", but only under duress.
ben_vulpes: and progressively less as i sharpen my sword/till my garden.
thestringpuller: i'm trying to figure out your workflow I guess.
ben_vulpes: os x
thestringpuller: i've onyl been able to really accomplish that in terminal
ben_vulpes: emacs in x11
trinque: he's dialing in keywords on xkeyscore so he can find you
thestringpuller: oh so emacs does all the lifting as you said earlier
ben_vulpes: that is the point of using emacs.
ben_vulpes: text editor, debugger, grep wrapper, vcs wrapper, irc client...
ben_vulpes: tags browser...
ben_vulpes: granted, nothing that vim doesn't do (poorly)
thestringpuller: i really prefer a shell...
thestringpuller: alright them is fighting words
thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war << hah
ben_vulpes: i started with vim - i know somewhat whereof i speak.
thestringpuller: i don't use VIM outside text editing so I don't know the capacicty to which it is customizable
thestringpuller: i also don't use emacs but when trying to learn, it really really really made me want toss my computer out a window
trinque: thestringpuller: evil mode
trinque: you'll be right at home
thestringpuller: maybe, but also I don't know LISP ;)
thestringpuller: it's on my bucket list
trinque: sure you do; just don't realize it yet
thestringpuller: along with starting a crime family with asciilifeform
trinque: I bet you know python or something
thestringpuller: yea I know python. and also slowly ruby
thestringpuller: but the lispi-ness of it evades me for sure
thestringpuller: i use procedural paradigm when using Python and Ruby tho...
thestringpuller: altho ruby seems to punish you for it
trinque: yeah, but your other languages have expressions
trinque: just imagine everything's one of those, and there are no implicit orders of operation except up
thestringpuller: trinque: lets have a LISP tutorial when I'm tripping instead of drunk ;)
trinque: heh
trinque: ask someone more experienced
trinque: hacking my emacs and stumpwm configs have helped a great deal
asciilifeform: jurov!!!
asciilifeform: fucktarded turdatron ate another message of mine
asciilifeform: 80-column hard limit
asciilifeform: lemme guess, non-latin1 chars not allowed.
asciilifeform: and -no- i'm not interested in including it as a clickable attachment.
asciilifeform: because that's retarded.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform 's wrath bit flips on.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/profound_retardation.txt
asciilifeform: jurov: your thing is very seriously unusable imho
asciilifeform: $ gpg --verify profound_retardation.txt
asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Wed Feb 25 20:47:07 2015 EST using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
asciilifeform: gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>"
asciilifeform: so that's not the issue
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0003 / 0.0003 / 0.0003 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025046 / 0.0003 (50536 shares, 12.66 BTC)
asciilifeform: ^ i mean srsly, wtf am i supposed to do with that. the unprintable garbage is key to the message
asciilifeform: it isn't unimportant in the least bit
thestringpuller: good evening mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: forgot to include the detail, in profound_retardation.txt, that the sandisk drive is a 60gb unit.
asciilifeform: (yes, the capacity read by both u-boot and bsd is garbage, though deterministic garbage)
asciilifeform: another data point - the 2.6.31.8 linux kernel originally shipped with 'pogo' had precisely the same behaviour
asciilifeform: (unlike arch)
asciilifeform: if i knew for a fact that the bug -only- triggers on 'sandisk' drives, it wouldn't be worth thinking about at all
asciilifeform: but i cannot guarantee this.
asciilifeform: !up decimation
decimation: ty asciilifeform
decimation: assbot's http interface appears to be down
decimation: I suspect mircea_popescu is working on it
asciilifeform: so -that's- where ddosbot went
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: oddly assbot otps timeout
mircea_popescu: am i the on;y one ?
decimation: nope
decimation: the otp url comes across, but the http interface is dead
mike_c: kakobrekla, are you/assbot getting dos'd?
decimation: possibly due to anti-ddos animatronics
asciilifeform: 'once is an accident, twice is enemy action'
decimation: I first noted it around 0045 utc
decimation: err 0145
mircea_popescu: well i lost a main router somehow too. supposedly was a power outage downtown
asciilifeform: today?
mircea_popescu: decimation im not working on assbot, kako is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier when i went down
asciilifeform: and -lost- as in smoked?
decimation: mircea_popescu: ah okay
mircea_popescu: i dunno. ima have it looked into tomorro
asciilifeform: perhaps just a routine ocelot-in-cableway incident
decimation: or crocodile-in-toilet perhaps?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform imagines one day roto-rooting toilet and pulling up pieces of suit, briefcase...
asciilifeform would prefer to live with alligators
asciilifeform: (ceteris paribus)
decimation: re: cosmonaut's gun: I thought it was for besting wild bears if the capsule lands in the urals
asciilifeform: decimation: nah that one comes with >1 round
asciilifeform: this is the other one
decimation: heh
decimation: !up nubbins`
decimation: <nubbins`> probably unrelated but there's been a comms van w/ gov plates parked down the road from me for like a week
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033726 < i lollered.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 22:18:52; danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.
thestringpuller: decimation: hmmm. sword axe time draws near.
asciilifeform: except that gasenwagen doesn't have 'gasenwagen' painted on. it has, e.g., 'kaiser kaffee'
decimation: maybe we can be in the same 'meat van' as asciilifeform when we are being taking the the sharashka
decimation: nah it says 'meat'
asciilifeform: 'bread' more classically
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761383 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761384 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:07; decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"
asciilifeform: http://1k43club.ru/upload/forum/ecbd3569e1ea8edcf5033d509b1c6d9c.jpg
decimation: does that say 'bread'?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: http://karopka.ru/upload/iblock/280/photo_5_1389624339.jpeg << meat variant
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033766 o.O look at that.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 23:13:49; mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
mike_c: it's a bubble :)
thestringpuller: mike_c: hard to distinguish buyer frenzy from investors paying for content.
mike_c: i thought that a couple times, but then the bids kept going up.
thestringpuller: well no one is really selling
mike_c: right, but bids don't need to keep going up to incentivize writers
mircea_popescu: i imagine it's just like bitcoin : not many shares, many people heard of it.
thestringpuller: so people buying MPEx seats just to subsidize qntra?
thestringpuller: doesn't make sense...
mike_c: plus it hasn't tried to make money yet (with one tiny exception), so it's still hopes and dreams phase.
thestringpuller: mike_c: i don't think it can make money yet. it's in egg phase. egg must hatch first.
thestringpuller: right now qntra is competing for intelligent eyeballs
mike_c: yeah, i agree it shouldn't be trying to monetize yet. but that helps fuel investor optimism.
thestringpuller: well given trilema is well monetized I wouldn't worry too much about qntra implementing a revenue stream in the future
mike_c: trilema's monetization level doesn't support the current qntra share price to me.
asciilifeform: http://cs315428.vk.me/v315428826/2342/vO1VSY-YbxY.jpg
mircea_popescu: "Chief casualty is U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center's (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had none, a Reuters analysis of official data shows."
mircea_popescu: cisco is so fucking dead...
decimation: lol what does it say asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: and red hat is fucking next.
asciilifeform: decimation: 'i'd press a bit'
mike_c: holee shit. 60->0 is two years?
thestringpuller: mike_c: qntra may very well outgrow trilema
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: trilema is 8 years old?
mircea_popescu: mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end
mircea_popescu: absolute texbook case on the dangers of "obeying the laws".
mike_c: asciilifeform: problem is, that's not a growth story.
decimation: http://justsecurity.org/20304/transcript-nsa-director-mike-rogers-vs-yahoo-encryption-doors/
assbot: Transcript: NSA Director Mike Rogers vs. Yahoo! on Encryption Back Doors | Just Security
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: i'm happier with trilema's monetization than with cisco's soviet future.
decimation: "AS: No, I think Bruce Schneier and Ed Felton and all of the best public cryptographers in the world would agree that you can’t really build backdoors in crypto. That it’s like drilling a hole in the windshield.
decimation: MR: I’ve got a lot of world-class cryptographers at the National Security Agency." < MR is 'mike rogers', new director of nsa
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I've been to several stores and they put the Cisco routers on the bottom with sign "Spookware" and Asus routers on the top shelves with "No Spookware"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: lol, goodcop/badcop
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as if 'nonspookware' is a thing in the store
asciilifeform: or any store.
thestringpuller: i kno! just funny how it is pop culture now.
decimation: "AS: So you do believe then, that we should build those for other countries [Russia, China] if they pass laws? MR: I think we can work our way through this."
mike_c: too bad mircea_popescu can't say what he thinks qntra share price is right.
asciilifeform: === 'planet is our banana plantation, shuddthefuckup'
mike_c: probably not right for owner to pontificate on that too much.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how does one procure a non-spookware router tho?
asciilifeform: !up decimation
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: using your hands
thestringpuller: how so?
thestringpuller: Care to elaborate? :P
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see log for one example
mircea_popescu: mike_c how would i even know ?
thestringpuller: !s router spookware
assbot: 0 results for 'router spookware' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=router+spookware
decimation: that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits'
mike_c: you wouldn't know, you'd have an opinion
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: any keywords you can give me? ;)
asciilifeform: !s edgerouter
assbot: 10 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter
thestringpuller: thank you for that asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ^ experiment with building a fairly decent home router
decimation: I use the edgerouter with built-in firmware, it definitely performs
decimation: one day soon I will try to re-write with bsd
mats: does anyone here actually expect qntra to pay for itself?
thestringpuller: me
asciilifeform: if you have external ssh open (why?) into the thing, keep in mind that recent versions of freebsd had diddled rng
asciilifeform: (proven fact)
asciilifeform: see log
decimation: I don't see need for router to talk to outside world
decimation: (other than through nat)
mats: asciilifeform: iirc that was not a stable release
asciilifeform: in freebsd world plenty of folks don't use -STABLE
mats: and why is that
asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mike_c well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp.
asciilifeform: 'Because we have got to be willing as a nation to have a dialogue. This simplistic characterization of one-side-is-good and one-side-is-bad is a terrible place for us to be as a nation. We have got to come to grips with some really hard, fundamental questions. I’m watching risk and threat do this, while trust has done that. No matter what your view on the issue is [... snipped crapolade]'
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: 7 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy
decimation: the thing is, you need to learn to do what I say
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926289 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926290 ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:48:53; asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
decimation: 'one point of view is that usg should have all ur bits'
mircea_popescu: "we must pull together" is the age old statist refrain.
decimation: things are getting better comrades
mircea_popescu: sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency
mircea_popescu: then we'll pull together just fine.
mircea_popescu: obv, not exactly what's being contemplated with the "pull together" talk
decimation: "MR: I think we can work our way through this."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: who would you name head of CIA?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron
danielpbarron: ya?
mircea_popescu: sure, why not.
asciilifeform: l0l 'fantasy usg'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^
mircea_popescu: "pull together" usg.
danielpbarron: oh i thought you were asking if i was here; didn't realize i just got nominated to run the .. CIA!?
mircea_popescu: sure. have fun.
danielpbarron: i will not spare the whip.
mircea_popescu: britni's back.
asciilifeform: but who molested her
mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c4617
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnimO )
mircea_popescu: "i don't remember seeing before the parts i don't like seeing today"
asciilifeform missed the gigantic 'no' bets after september's series
thestringpuller: lol bitbet is loading real slow today
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/ecdea68078cfd3012de4b5bcda14f134/tumblr_mf6t4ill071rytnogo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnEtF )
asciilifeform: !up decimation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!!!
TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 4213.9171 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 952292.397478 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0219 seconds
trinque: mircea_popescu: nice jurassic park poster
cazalla: trinque, lulz i just thought that
cazalla: "oh, jurassic park"
cazalla: is the other one the little mermaid?
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/psychology-journal-bans-significance-testing/ < teaching the statistics 'controversy'
assbot: Psychology Journal Bans Significance Testing « Science-Based Medicine ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcpHO9 )
decimation: 'nobody understands what p-values mean so let's ban them'
asciilifeform: lulzies
asciilifeform: who the fuck even cares what these clowns do now.
asciilifeform: let them stand on head, crap in own mouth
decimation: surprisingly when left to their own devices they choose... more clownishness
decimation: related: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2015/02/university_hiring_if_you_didn_t_get_your_ph_d_at_an_elite_university_good.html?wpsrc=fol_fb < The data revealed that just a quarter of all universities account for 71 to 86 percent of all tenure-track faculty in the U.S. and Canada in these three fields. Just 18 elite universities produce half of all computer science professors, 16 schools produce half of all business
assbot: University hiring: If you didn't get your Ph.D. at an elite university, good luck finding an academic job. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXSDPi )
decimation: professors, and eight schools account for half of all history professors.
decimation: http://tgeonetta.com/cost-of-living-vs-salary-best-cities-for-software-developers-and-engineers/ < heh. apparently programmers in the new york 'profit' about $16k per year
assbot: Cost of Living vs Salary – Best Cities for Software Developers and Engineers | Tyler Geonetta ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXTMqh )
decimation: with that, good night
asciilifeform: probably skewed by handful of 'quants'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i just learned the gasenwagen was invented by the russians
asciilifeform: according to one version, there was a ru wagen in the '30s
thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
asciilifeform: iirc ^ was a bit of a 'ufo', based on hearsay
thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
thestringpuller: OOPS
thestringpuller: "A converted 24-seat bus, the execution van keeps the appearance of a normal police van on the outside with no markings indicating its purpose. The rear of the vehicle houses a windowless chamber where the execution takes place. Several cameras are present and feed closed-circuit televisions in the front of the van; a recording can be made if desired. The bed itself slides out of the wall under its own power, on which the convi
asciilifeform: ^ chinese injection bus
danielpbarron didn't realize the wagon itself did the gassing
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in the german variant
danielpbarron: i thought it was like the trains that took people to the camps
thestringpuller wonders when US will have their version.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034069 >> http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVtIdS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21346 @ 0.00042119 = 8.9907 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i have no idea what is going on in that gif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83950 @ 0.00041015 = 34.4321 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif << arse-mouth system (tm) !!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ESkJc2 )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68244 @ 0.0003993 = 27.2498 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 100000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 12464.151 bitcoins, for a total of 5694585.6424 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0216 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44933 @ 0.00039836 = 17.8995 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla let's see if this works for qntra submission: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3rju )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo samesies: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3snL )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1 test
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/76d080d7695378d3
kakobrekla: seems to work?
cazalla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski works fine!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Bitcoin is not your toy, OK! http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-11703
assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB5vIe )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64582 @ 0.00039383 = 25.4343 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: That was some good sleep
cazalla: http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/25/citing-stigma-the-university-of-minnesota-removes-race-descriptions-in-crime-alerts/
assbot: U. Of Minnesota Removes Race Descriptions In Crime Alerts | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auy9eD )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, how many hours?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: A solid 9-10
BingoBoingo: lots of vivid, memorable REM phases
cazalla: ah, the life of a qntra writer/bachelor!
cazalla: i've had 2 nights straight of dreams where people get hit by trains
BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
cazalla: i love those ones
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: thank you for nominating me to tae Patraeus's chair at central Intelligence
BingoBoingo: I'd basically be doing what, loading trucks with office supplies and busses headed to the Uranium mines?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00039383 = 20.2232 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aArDBM2_460sv.mp4
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BySkdJ )
BingoBoingo: Nice one
trinque: https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES << deedin'
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt7rTi )
punkman: BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies << why is maze/chase/shootout such a common theme? always comes up when discussing dreams
BingoBoingo: punkman: I dunno really. In this one chase followed having fun in the maze with the girl and started when girl began throwing rocks at the police from the maze
trinque: punkman: seems like they're for simulating situations that'd be riskier to learn from in the real world
trinque: fucking drunks brawling outside...
trinque: not a good fight either; I think the one winning is crying
BingoBoingo: trinque> fucking drunks brawling outside... << It's nature, let it happen
trinque: I went outside and watched a bit, but it was pitiful
trinque: crack may have played a factor
BingoBoingo: That might make it more pitiful
punkman: trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass
trinque: mircea_popescu: hello there. https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FwwogC )
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist)
mircea_popescu: not sure what it is in english, tho im sure it must exist. perhaps something like "shamanistic narrative".
mircea_popescu: basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality.
mircea_popescu: trinque hey. wassat ?
trinque: some deedin
mircea_popescu: o cool!
mircea_popescu: website ?
trinque: finishing the upload guy
trinque: deedbot.org is where it will be shortly
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: brb writing some about when i was young.
trinque: this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future
trinque: mircea_popescu: k
BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt
trinque: BingoBoingo: it's worth thinking about for a long time, for sure
trinque: though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools
trinque: perfect meaning the data is *never* munged
trinque: getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table
trinque: seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin
punkman: sqlite would be an order of magnitude more reliable than bdb/leveldb
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14278 @ 0.00042119 = 6.0138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9302 @ 0.00042444 = 3.9481 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: digging through trilema (fuck it, i can't find an article hot damn) i found a 2011 pick-up guide. http://trilema.com/2011/cum-ne-imprietenim-heterosexual/
assbot: Cum ne imprietenim heterosexual pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vBB9Wa )
mircea_popescu: it's pretty great.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040266 = 8.8787 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: height=229694 vs height=193386
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00040266 = 11.7174 BTC [-]
jurov: asciilifeform, it was actually accepted and distributed but not archived :/
jurov: no actually it is: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
trinque: http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ3pe0 )
trinque: at least test ones
trinque: everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20377 @ 0.00039899 = 8.1302 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36166 @ 0.00039299 = 14.2129 BTC [-]
mats: "The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion."
mats: yowch
thestringpuller: they still make a good printer
thestringpuller: jurov: i can't get to that page. "page not available"
thestringpuller: !up nubbins` hello there good sir
nubbins`: ty
nubbins`: assbot otp down
nubbins`: hp may make a good printer, but epson makes a better one
nubbins`: for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too
kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1 test
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c
kakobrekla: works here ?
kakobrekla: anyone cant see that url ?
trinque: kakobrekla: works
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html damn i meant this thestringpuller
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQvwZ )
jurov: and http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP."
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQKIy )
danielpbarron: it expired, probably
danielpbarron: it worked for me 25 minutes ago
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91150 @ 0.00040397 = 36.8219 BTC [+]
chetty: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/18/modern-world-bad-for-brain-daniel-j-levitin-organized-mind-information-overload
assbot: Why the modern world is bad for your brain | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLQAPB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00039732 = 12.3169 BTC [-]
lobbes: "Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h
lobbes: ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
pete_dushenski: thx bb!
pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch
pete_dushenski: “a politician who stays poor is poor at politics.” -hank gonzalez, mexican politician
pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch
fluffypony: "a poor person who stays poor is poor at money." - fluffy pony, equine
pete_dushenski: "network effects anyone?! Early adopters are important people because ADOPTION!" << twitter dood derping at me about pgp adoption
pete_dushenski: "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al.
pete_dushenski: fluffypony lol
fluffypony: we should put pgp in the blockchain
fluffypony: GPGChain
fluffypony: powered by GPGCoin
pete_dushenski: if only this were still 2013, y'know we might have a shot at fleecing some kids with that
lobbes: hell, you probably still can on scamcointalk
fluffypony: lol
pete_dushenski: i would be... impressed if that were still so
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afl9WFGJE0M
assbot: V for Varoufakis | NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE mit Jan Böhmermann - ZDFneo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxEAgy )
pete_dushenski: scoopbot: and don't come back until you sort out your differences with contravex!
nubbins`: re: phones and expectations
nubbins`: there's a really, really easy solution to this
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: still can't get scoopbot to announce contravex articles?
nubbins`: turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.
nubbins`: suddenly, it doesn't run your life anymore
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller still.
PeterL: I figured out that python doesn't seem to like some of contravex's titles
pete_dushenski: nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec
nubbins`: heh nah
pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/
assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxJ46X )
nubbins`: nothing says "i'm an annoying piece of shit" than an audible call/text noise
chetty: <nubbins`> turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted
PeterL: but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively.
pete_dushenski: ^i'm even reduced to scooping for qntra now.
thestringpuller: chetty: information addiction is treatable tho
nubbins`: chetty most people don't *want* to
chetty: nubbins`, +++
pete_dushenski: it's the lowest calorie addiciton going
nubbins`: they're secretly pleased every time their phone dings in the presence of others
pete_dushenski: you can't see your brain turning into a fat, slothful mess
nubbins`: thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you
nubbins`: but after a few "yeah, i leave it on silent"s
nubbins`: they adjust their expectations
nubbins`: !up pete_dushenski PeterL
nubbins`: !up PeterL
pete_dushenski: ty
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted.
nubbins`: "didn't you see my texts?!?!?!?! i texted you 8 times!!!!!"
nubbins`: y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed
thestringpuller: nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person.
nubbins`: and never do
chetty: <<< power out day before yesterday, discovered I forgot to charge my phone, for oh about 2 weeks :)
nubbins`: until they see em at the bar two weeks later
nubbins`: "oh, dude, right"
nubbins`: chetty :D
mircea_popescu: <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxKnTa )
thestringpuller: nubbins`: yes. very similar to symptoms of ADHD.
nubbins`: we have no landline, so i try not to leave mine dead for more than a few hours at a time
nubbins`: !up soypirate
nubbins`: hola, pirate
nubbins`: soy nubbins
chetty: nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb
mircea_popescu: This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result.
mircea_popescu: neither is the case today, people just hang around.
nubbins`: (incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is very precise.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us
mircea_popescu: right /
nubbins`: guy stole 120 hours on the company. a month's work. when an email woulda done
nubbins`: this is what meetings are
mircea_popescu: so why wouldn't you answer the phone. it's more like a boring highschool class than a meeting.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: people just hang around << i find this is because people lack focus during the meeting. You stay on topic until someone mentions something off topic. "Blah blah blha pink floyd" "Oh you like pink floyd?" 30 minutes later you realize you're still talking about a 70's rock band and not about that thing you're supposed to be meeting about.
mircea_popescu: no he was being proactive and communicaty or whatchamacallit.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: doing his due diligence on a go-forward basis
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lack of focus lack of schmokus. it's because they're impotent. they know they're impotent.
mircea_popescu: what else to do ?
nubbins`: mind you, this was the head of IT
nubbins`: "how do i get my sound turned on?" head of IT
nubbins` shudders at memory
nubbins`: incidentally, last monday was my 2-year anniversary of retirement
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what else to do ? << learn to concentrate better instead of being a fucking child?
nubbins`: folks: "any regrets?" me: "not doing it sooner"
PeterL: get better co-workers?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` turned on as in, sexually ?
nubbins`: turned on, as in i wanna hear the angry birds smash the pigs
nubbins`: it was at this job that i realized just because you work as a computer programmer, doesn't mean you know even the basics of what computers are and how they work
nubbins`: "right-click and copy that" "what?"
nubbins`: "o.O"
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/gpg-criticism-reaches-new-low-as-use-cases-expand/
assbot: GPG Criticism Reaches New Low As Use Cases Expand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQExCW )
chetty: being clueless about the actual tech is what gets you the promotion
pete_dushenski: nice write-up BingoBoingo !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137950 @ 0.000404 = 55.7318 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: chetty plenty of amoebas floating around in the upper levels
pete_dushenski: "The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service (Fiscal Service) today announced that Pay.gov, the government’s secure web based collection portal for payments to federal agencies, now offers both PayPal and Dwolla as payment options." << from a few days ago.
nubbins`: once an incompetent worker reaches a certain longevity, their dismissal is tacit admittance that they've been fooling everyone all along
nubbins`: so rather than facing "yep, we've let this dead weight collect a cheque for 15 years"
pete_dushenski: ^"please don't use cash for anything ever because only bad people use cash"
nubbins`: they just give 'em a different job in another department
nubbins`: which, if it didn't accompany a pay raise, would engender the same line of questioning as a dismissal
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty much has it.
nubbins`: eventually they learn their way around enough that latecomers can easily be fooled into thinking that the variety speak is representative of skill, not imitation
nubbins`: "who, alex? he's been here longer than i have! knows the place inside out!"
nubbins`: but all of alex's projects are always fucked up and late
nubbins`: usually due to "external factors" or "changing requirements"
mircea_popescu: the problem essentially is that specialist groups do need a variety talk, however "politeness" combined with that results into a lot of nooks and crannies where alex can hide.
nubbins`: absolutely
mircea_popescu: it's not coincidental that all successful specialist groups are irreverent.
nubbins`: when a large, once-profitable company suddenly goes belly-up or massively scales back, you can expect to find a high percentage of alexes on the payroll
mircea_popescu: you can also expect to find the last time someone made fart jokes publicly @ the expense of people present buried under at least a decade of history.
nubbins`: bahahahaha.
nubbins`: incidentally, you could go on a meaty tangent about public employees right about here
nubbins`: i'm gonna abstain
mircea_popescu: lol wut ? abstinence only sex ed ?
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ty!
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.89, Best ask: 236.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 236.99, 24 hour volume: 5556.79789999, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 239.31, 24 hour vwap: 236.80126748
nubbins`: mp ok i'm gonna pull out, then
nubbins`: how bout that?
mircea_popescu: !up ga
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol winner.
nubbins`: :D
lobbes: re: meetings << Even when they are on-topic, they are rarely organized. I've actually overheard someone in a phone meeting: "we're having a lack of communication about x, I think we should have a meeting on it"
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lobbes: pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them.
pete_dushenski: ya whatever happened to dwolla anyways ?
pete_dushenski: vis-a-vis bitcoin...
lobbes: good question
pete_dushenski: were they just a mt gox thing ?
mike_c: they were briefly the best way to get usd to mt gox, i don't think they've done anything since.
mircea_popescu: the usdwolla thing is not news in any sense anyway.
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << if anyone wants to make an "adult" pogo, i have some instructions documented here
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWH0qn )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: neato. could use some asciiart
danielpbarron: what kind? you mean diagrams? or just a fancy header?
asciilifeform: diagram
danielpbarron: hrm.. i'll see what i can come up with (warning, might be ugly!)
danielpbarron: in the meantime i reference .jpeg images of the most important things to see
asciilifeform: emacs 'artist-mode' helps
asciilifeform: jurov: any idea why turdatron hiccupped the way it did? curious thing
asciilifeform: and yes, it seems to show now, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWHDjK )
mircea_popescu: When I say, "Read the source," I mean, read Satoshi.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic,
asciilifeform: waiwat
danielpbarron: I have never seen, let alone used, emacs
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: fortunately, should you wish to see emacs, there is no need to cross the equator and make your way through the jaguars to the ocelots
danielpbarron: :D
asciilifeform: 'I've never sailed the Amazon, / And I've never reached Brazil; / But the Don and Magdelana, / They can go there when they will!'
BingoBoingo: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2015/02/check-out-stantons-helmet.html
assbot: Check Out Stanton's Strange New Helmet | Fish Bytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWJlla )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/26/the-slaughtering-of-a-bull/
assbot: The slaughtering of a bull. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWKwB4 )
pete_dushenski: ^so much for my 'free health club membership'
pete_dushenski: dat waterfall played spoiler on my bullish cockiness
trinque: +mircea_popescu | <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? << test values; I published bundles with the same messages a few times while working
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17BiWNl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00039696 = 22.4282 BTC [-]
trinque: I'll clear out what's currently uploaded when I have deedbot join
trinque goes back to sleep
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron nice work on the adult pogo guide!
pete_dushenski wonders if he'll ever be an adult by this measure
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Congrats on setting yourself up to meet "Artist Mode"
pete_dushenski: random lady on twitter: "Pete I had money taken out of my bitcoin wallet (block chain) on 2014-09-16 Can you tell me where to go for help?"
pete_dushenski: me: "Help? What help? This is Bitcoin."
mike_c: pete_dushenski: kudos for posting the follow up on that :)
mike_c: I was wondering how that ended up.
BingoBoingo was expecting it last month, Waterfall wasn't as strong as my gut feared.
mike_c: omg that dilbert cartoon :D where's my favorite TA when i need him
mike_c: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
mike_c: "you should buy a stock whenver the chart looks like a squirrel sitting on a clown's shoulder"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00039696 = 11.0029 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: mike_c lol my pleasure :D
pete_dushenski: dilbert's been on a roll with this pointy-haired investment advice series
mats: http://www.monbiot.com/2011/10/31/wealth-destroyers
assbot: Wealth Destroyers | George Monbiot ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bkua1 )
pete_dushenski: where have i seen monbiot's name before ?
pete_dushenski: !s monbiot
assbot: 0 results for 'monbiot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monbiot
mats: do you read the guardian often?
mats: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/jan/23/community-energy-companies-big-six-big-society
assbot: With this attack on community energy the 'big six' win out over big society | George Monbiot | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNrK9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00039653 = 28.114 BTC [-] {2}
mats: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/rich-landowners-farmers-welfare-nfu-defra another good one
assbot: The welfare dependants the government loves? Rich landowners | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNF41 )
thestringpuller: so i'm on an All Hands call for the marketing department
thestringpuller: if I was plaiyng the "take a shot when buzzword is used" drinking game
thestringpuller: i'd be drunk by now
fluffypony: cloud!
lobbes: 'x as a service'
mircea_popescu: that cap agricultural benefits thing is uniquely misguided.
mircea_popescu: "rich" does not mean what the poor imagine it means. the notion of running a farm on 26k subsidies a year... heh.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : just because inflation has made every pauper think he holds money doesn't change the fact that a farmer today is worth a hundred million just by simply maintaining equality with a farmer of relatively the same social importance back in 1615.
BingoBoingo: Or they've surrendered in some cases to being a form of sharecropper. Depends on what and where they farm as well as how daddy ran the business
mircea_popescu: james smith's farm fed five hundred people in 1615. these aren't "500 out of the total pop of 5mn" for the same reason discussed in the thread about "average life expectancy"
mircea_popescu: most of those 5mn picked rags in london.
mircea_popescu: keeping the same *proportions* that farm's easily running deficits of millions today, for the reasons explained in http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
assbot: The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BlGKJ )
mircea_popescu: if the chem lobby seriously wants to strangle the pretty farm girl, that's one thing. but framing that discussion in terms of "rich" is about as helpful as proposing beer is better than wine because it bubbles.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o << obligatory
assbot: Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPii2 )
BingoBoingo: http://www.themaschhoffs.com/about/who_we_are/ << Headquarts is large steel and glass building many miles from any place charitably labeled a "town" One farmer many sharecroppers http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/07/28/the-maschhoffs-buys-2-indiana-pig-farms.html
assbot: Who We Are - The Maschhoffs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPAWf )
assbot: The Maschhoffs buys 2 Indiana pig farms - St. Louis Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPBt3 )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform -watch stoned << lol!
thestringpuller: ;;goog site:trilema.com in which you become corn
gribble: Error: "goog" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com in which you become corn
gribble: Wikileaks - MCLXII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mclxii>; How to enter Failville pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/how-to-enter-failville>; Wikileaks - MCCLVII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mcclvii>
chetty: As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.
asciilifeform: chetty: link ?
chetty: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750
assbot: Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWQXEg )
BingoBoingo: Oh, now I'm syncing blocks from when I started sync'ing
BingoBoingo: http://patriotpost.us/articles/33184
assbot: ATF Aims to Ban Popular AR-15 Ammo — The Patriot Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWR7vt )
BingoBoingo: "Comments period" ends March 16th
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: can't find the article which talks about kids in US being analagous to growing corn
thestringpuller: circa 2013
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asciilifeform: 'There is just one set of rules that are effective and widely deployed: those that enforce the destruction of the natural world. Buried in the cross-compliance regulations is a measure called GAEC 12. This insists that, to receive their money, farmers must prevent "unwanted vegetation" from growing on their land. (The rest of us call it wildlife habitat.) Even if their land is producing nothing, they must cut, graze or spray i
asciilifeform: t with herbicides to get their money. Unlike soil erosion, compaction and pollution, breaches of this rule are easy to detect and enforce: if the inspectors see trees returning to the land, the subsidy can be cut off altogether.'
BingoBoingo: "But M855 has well-documented shortcomings against soft targets (see Somalia, Iraq, etc.) The other common loading, M193, is more effective against soft targets. So the side effect of this ruling would be that more AR-15 owners would buy rounds that are more effective in the typical domestic shooting. The only people this rule change protects is the government, whose varmints wear Kevlar."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022476 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:26:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/
assbot: In which you become grain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWRV3q )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems to be much like that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
thestringpuller: grain not corn. thanks mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is possible, with current tech, to recycle shells in jungle conditions, but not to produce them, or primers, or bullet adequate for modern rifle
BingoBoingo: "Reloading" cases fine, powders common... engineered primers and bullets far less so
mircea_popescu: the "3d printed" guns were obviously going to push towards regulation of bullets.
mircea_popescu: all these kids hoping that some sort of magical "tech" is going to get them into the girl's panties were very poorly parented. apparently nobody told them any of the numerous genie stories.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some odd reason, the plumping shop 'guns' popular since '50s - didn't
mircea_popescu: "you don't refine your query, numbnuts. you BECOME the genie."
BingoBoingo: More mundane calibers (revolvers, mundane stuff) cast lead bullets are still fine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not if you want to cause actual damage
mircea_popescu: where's that matasareanu article...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: may as well suggest arbalest
asciilifeform: ^ works quite well against unadorned kevlar, one might add
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/strategii-in-lupta-antisociala/
assbot: Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BnXp9 )
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate this huh..
BingoBoingo: Just Kalash and stoner rifle require "cleaner" bullets.
mircea_popescu: brb translating
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: anything that semi/auto cycles needs modern shell, to ~.1mm tolerance or so
asciilifeform: that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. Also with Stoner rifle, Gas fouling is a problem with unplated bullets.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) << Olin Brass can has lobbyist too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gas fouling << don't build rifles that 'shit where they eat' - problem solved
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics
thestringpuller: ^- that was a good time
BingoBoingo: Eugene Stoner was probably a stoner, if not occasional enthusiast of more interesting chemicals back then
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not based on ww2 'garand' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the M-16 Based on "AR-10" M1 Garand inspired M-14 (still in limited recycled use)
BingoBoingo: Maybe Garand might have had something to do with the mouth shitting trend though.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've always wondered why internal mechanicals (trigger mechanisms, bolt, receiver) aren't chromium plated as modern (post '44 or so) barrels are
BingoBoingo: "Wear Item"
jurov: hi asciilifeform, if you still want dedi server for bitcoins, around ~$50 , we can do hetzner
asciilifeform: and barrel isn't ?!
BingoBoingo: Of course it is too. Just hard to pay contractor for parts that don't deplete frequently enough.
asciilifeform: jurov: neat. i'll consider it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but there is almost certainly a sound physical reason, because same was true on ru side
asciilifeform: i simply don't happen to know what it is
jurov: i need to know what is the priority, CPU or RAM or SSD is a must?
asciilifeform: jurov: cpu, then ram, then disk (not necessarily ssd, but at least mirrored mechanical)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a point
asciilifeform: 'you need to go fuck yourself in the arsehole with a nice red hot iron dildo. I think that ought to improve your minuscule intellect.' -- from today's fan mail
kakobrekla: hetzner takes bitcoin ?
jurov: kakobrekla: no I take it
kakobrekla: if you are converting there are cheaper options than hetzner
jurov: even cheaper than their auction?
kakobrekla: yup
kakobrekla: example; http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic
assbot: Dedibox® Classic 2015 - Online.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWUWR7 )
kakobrekla: although cheapest ssd option , hetzner might be better
kakobrekla: here is another cheap dedi http://bsnservers.com/dedicated-servers/dedicated-servers-in-europe
assbot: BSNServers - Bargain dedicated servers and hosting - Dedicated Servers in Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bqb7W )
asciilifeform: thing is, the requirements are somewhat peculiar (minimal bandwidth, max cpu/ram, minimal disk)
kakobrekla: you want ssd ?
asciilifeform: not necessarily
asciilifeform: phuctor is 99% cpu-bound
kakobrekla: ah i thought we were talking bitcoind sync test or some such
kakobrekla: anyway, i gave you the links, your call entirely
asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla, jurov
asciilifeform: i'll suggest it to mircea_popescu once s.nsa has revenue
kakobrekla: hm
asciilifeform: (presently phuctor is paid for by yours truly, pro bono)
kakobrekla: if you have a really lightweight worker client i can give you some cores
asciilifeform: because usd is a renewable resource
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i want the whole thing on one box because i haven't the time or inclination to play sysadmin
kakobrekla: mhm
jurov: these other offers have considerable slower cpu than can be auctioned in hetzner at same price
kakobrekla: eh?
kakobrekla: for 30 eur you get shit
kakobrekla: on hetzner
jurov: Intel Core i7-3770 is shit?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89924 @ 0.00040552 = 36.466 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: that is 31!
asciilifeform: lol
jurov rolls eyes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00040808 = 21.2863 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm guessing that fan didn't see your extant writings on the topic? Or perhaps wasn't a spamateur and had?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: another butthurt 'clojure' user
BingoBoingo: Ah, so still spamateur
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jurov: asciilifeform: so either that i7-3770 or Xeon E3-1245V2 with ECC RAM for 7 euros more
asciilifeform: jurov: neato. hopefully this will still exist by the time it is needed
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ancient post still magnet for emotional crud
ben_vulpes: dang.
jurov: asciilifeform i was thinking you want to move phuctor sooner but ok :)
asciilifeform: jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense for s.nsa until revenue >0, and can't picture mircea_popescu liking the idea much either
jurov: it's not very large, but i understand
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103353 @ 0.00039096 = 40.4069 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: jurov: unless i misunderstand, it is potentially unbound - tied to eu exchange rate
jurov: that yes, but can be subject to agreement.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsasQ )
mircea_popescu: here we go.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> -- from today's fan mail << what was that for lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ancient post, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsojP )
asciilifeform: continues to stimulate the easily-stimulated, etc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense << fiddy bux isn't large yo.
asciilifeform: see above
mircea_popescu: so if it goes to shit it gets cancelled i guess.
asciilifeform: aha see but my fiddy-us doesn't have to be cancelled
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7reSQd3uiA << this guy's fucking hot, srsly now.
assbot: The Crazy World of Feminist Theater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwK4Z8 )
jurov: dunno, not my type
asciilifeform: 'If the police doesn't show up, off you go to your business. If the police does show up, butcher the civillians.' << already sop, palestine, etc. - just minus the bank part
mircea_popescu: everywhere where people are winning.
asciilifeform: (suicide bomber doesn't need money. at least, not especially much of it.)
ben_vulpes: "who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?"
mircea_popescu: jurov more for me.
jurov: :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, bank happily hands robber a bag of money with small mine inside
asciilifeform: this is sop for a generation now
mircea_popescu: luckily it comes with meatshield.
asciilifeform: for some reason hardly any ever bother to defuse the mine, even though its design is published quite openly in the patent (yes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58938 @ 0.00040524 = 23.884 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: other observation, of course, is that $maxint in stolen cash doesn't really deprive the bank of anything - more is printed, delivered next day
ben_vulpes: "FDIC Insurance"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i doubt they bother with the paperwork
asciilifeform: or public notices
asciilifeform: it just... happens
asciilifeform: recall mircea_popescu's article re: the petadollars' worth of precious paper that got 'thermonuked' in the new york flood ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha! You aren't so anti-drug after all!!! http://trilema.com/2010/cadeti-afara-doi/
assbot: Cadeti afara (doi) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BtADP )
asciilifeform: who noticed it?
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/#comment-11768
assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwPL9J )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I offered the caveat of redone entirely.
asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
asciilifeform: ( https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc )
assbot: kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18WJY2A )
thestringpuller: is surgical even possible?
asciilifeform: or does it also have to wait until i'm cloned ten times and can finally do everything
thestringpuller: this is more of a frankentstein operation
BingoBoingo: as far as user interface and "armored text block" goes, looks about right reop looks about right. Just needs to dump the part where done in go and depends on external google library
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1) it does the basic maths 2) brief enough to be humanly readable with some effort
BingoBoingo: Suffice to say reop is still a toy, but one that apes proper function better than moxenslit's toy
asciilifeform: other than that, i cannot comment on the quality
asciilifeform: (was speaking here of 'micro-ecc')
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the process of removing openssl from bitcoind seems like that operation Tony Stark underwent.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm cloned ten times << Do you think you'd work well, with yourself? Hopefully it's not like that Dexter's Lab episode.
asciilifeform: nope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16314 @ 0.00040902 = 6.6728 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: put'em on separate continents.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc/blob/master/uECC.c << ends up ~half again as long if you snip out the ifdefs for unreasonably small (8, 16-bit) machines
assbot: micro-ecc/uECC.c at master · kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwSxLU )
asciilifeform: do any of you feel up to the task of ada-izing this ?
asciilifeform: until this happens, we're playing 'underhanded c contest'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're talking about the classical fictional clones, naturally, rather than the boring younger twin brother kind
BingoBoingo: Ah
mats: asciilifeform: i may be able to wrangle some time on a cluster if you're interested in doing a batch job
mats: would be a good stop-gap until jurov gets going
asciilifeform: mats: i am specifically not interested in shuttling crud back & forth
asciilifeform: have plenty of cpu here at home
asciilifeform: but want to push button and forget again.
mats: ok
punkman: asciilifeform: I wonder how much extra code we'll need to make microecc (or whatever else) parse/verify all the different crap already in blockchain
mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/02/26/the-fcc-set-to-approve-strong-net-neutrality-rules/
assbot: The FCC approves strong net neutrality rules - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwUyrt )
asciilifeform: punkman: that is clearly part of the puzzle
punkman: I'd be interested in learning Ada (or other language), but damn that's some gnarly syntax
BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks
asciilifeform: punkman: get the 'rationale' book. every piece of 'gnarl' is justified, and the justification reads like your local fire code - every line is likely there because of a corpse
punkman: I don't think we have fire code :P
punkman: asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour?
asciilifeform: punkman: 2005 or better yet 95
asciilifeform: none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
asciilifeform: (they require the runtime libs)
asciilifeform: while the original 1983 standard had warts that were fixed in 95
punkman: http://www.ada2012.org/comparison.html handy table
assbot: Ada 2012 : Ada Comparison Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwY998 )
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: because of a corpse << reminds me of this tv show Venture Bros. First episode this henchman named Speedy was brutally killed by super body guard (Brock Samson). So in subsequent episodes the veteran henchman are like "So, lemme tell you about a story about a henchman named Speedy."
thestringpuller: "All fun and games until someone dies?" or something like that.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000052.html << ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOMTDX )
ben_vulpes: you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that was about 10 minutes' work, and if you notice - didn't lead to a usable result
asciilifeform: but posted it in case somebody takes an interest in the concept
ben_vulpes read, noticed.
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BingoBoingo: Nailgun 'Suicides' are getting more ambitious http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-auditor-and-governor-candidate-tom-schweich-has-died/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html
assbot: Missouri Auditor and governor candidate Tom Schweich has died : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOOVUw )
BingoBoingo: "His death was confirmed by his office early Thursday afternoon, just hours after Schweich had requested an interview with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press at his Clayton home later in the day."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927129 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927130 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:16; asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
asciilifeform: quite a few folks who ought to know better make monkey noises when i/anyone speak of 'shadow state' and lizardhitler
asciilifeform: what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider writing up for qntra ?
chetty: <asciilifeform> what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?// they still dont believe
BingoBoingo: I'm considering it.
BingoBoingo: Schweich was notorious for breaking up all kinds of small bezzels in his first terms as State Auditor, announced candidacy for governor a few weeks ago, would have probably won. Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence.
mike_c: ? that doesn't say nailgun
asciilifeform: mike_c: the actual type of small arm used is unimportant
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Once again escalation
BingoBoingo: !up B0g4r7
mike_c: well, sort of unimportant. it is stylish when they actually use a nailgun
asciilifeform: mike_c: 'nailgun' in this context is the proverbial 'convenient suicide' of someone who 'needed to have problems'
asciilifeform: that is, someone who created problems for usg
asciilifeform: and wouldn't turn asset when asked nicely
asciilifeform: (or, alternatively, needed to be taken off the gameboard in an unusual hurry)
BingoBoingo: Schweich had actually in past careers been a well labeled and prominent "asset" of things
asciilifeform: because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the most 'instructive' deaths are usually reserved for 'former assets'
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punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern?
asciilifeform: punkman: the distinction is meaningless
BingoBoingo: Pretense of credibility was likely established with "negative campaign ad" run beginning yesterday by local kook who presented no credible chance at winning the office
asciilifeform: punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns
asciilifeform: e.g. microsoft
asciilifeform: incidentally, lies are much cheaper than bullets
asciilifeform: unless you know that schmuck personally, don't blithely assume that he died in his house (conveniently pictured in article) or that his wife is still alive, etc
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: assume that he died << you mean like faking his death?
thestringpuller: as it stands this is probably best way to disappear completely without actual death.
asciilifeform: for all we know, he's sitting on an anthill right now somewhere at 'the farm' (look it up), writhing on camera for showing to future 'candidates'
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, the in his house part
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nope
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh you're saying they staged his death and now he's prisoner until actual death?
asciilifeform: again no.
asciilifeform: or rather, not necessarily
asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprNbs6M6c8
assbot: Daniel Kahn & The Painted Bird - Rats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOShHg )
asciilifeform: ^ aha the 'inner emigration' folks
gabriel_laddel: The very same. Lovely music, this.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
asciilifeform: ^ or.
thestringpuller: what do you know about iptables?
PeterL: BingoBoingo: article mentions he was on the phone just before shot was heard, perhaps agent was explaining how he would find those things tomorrow unless
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Why not just use pf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37331 @ 0.000436 = 16.2763 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: PeterL: this is why there are no patriots anymore.
thestringpuller: How can you be a patriot if your own country will back stab you?
gabriel_laddel: ;; site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
gribble: Error: "site:" is not a valid command.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
gribble: The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american>; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/>
asciilifeform: what's a german patriot in '45.
gabriel_laddel: eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway?
PeterL: asciilifeform: the ones trying to assasinate Hitler?
thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: this is a good country. in a world where a country betrays their soldiers, what do those soldiers do?
gabriel_laddel: die
thestringpuller: this is a good point*
gabriel_laddel: !s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on
assbot: 0 results for 'ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ethnic+war+is+just+like+regular+war+except+that+the+uniforms+are+glued+on
asciilifeform: http://s260.photobucket.com/user/drmabuse06/media/TimeTravelHitler.jpg.html << obligatory
assbot: Time Travel Hitler Photo by drmabuse06 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRHvaj )
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You want the hotel article
gabriel_laddel: !s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2014 03:24:30; asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either.
assbot: 0 results for 'http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Flog.bitcoin-assets.com%2F%3Fdate%3D21-08-2014%23803548
gabriel_laddel: "time travel hitler" lolol
nubbins`: hi
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice.
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-02-2015#1013736 << wayland, mir, not competition?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 20:23:01; asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Fire in Alabama
asciilifeform: mats: nope
asciilifeform: mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x
asciilifeform: i don't care what the fuck else it does.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
asciilifeform: and fuck the 'desktop unix!!111!!!111' people with red hot dildo.
asciilifeform: i -use- the functionality they don't see a purpose for.
nubbins`: cheap/colorful paper, super intense colors, very bold graphics
asciilifeform: and so do other thinking folks.
nubbins`: all about the utter failings/piece-of-shittedness of the phoundation
nubbins`: offer it as "mystery poster" for the cost of s&h
PeterL: asciilifeform: which functionality are they trying to remove?
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nubbins`: lucky recipient opens tube, out falls a half dozen cheap posters he can keep/paste/sell/give away
asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp
asciilifeform: in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64383 @ 0.00041953 = 27.0106 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: i actually know of no exception to this
asciilifeform: if anyone does, please link.
nubbins`: well. either mapping the phailings of the phoundation (someone with knowledge of recent "vote" should chime in here) or the virtues of the .foundation
asciilifeform: fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local
asciilifeform: on x11
asciilifeform: and nowhere else.
asciilifeform: and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast.
asciilifeform: how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me
asciilifeform: but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise.
asciilifeform: because they don't belong living with people.
asciilifeform: not that x11 has no warts
asciilifeform: but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative.
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
asciilifeform: http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/Parasites.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVo1P )
asciilifeform: ^ neato
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitgo-offers-insurance-the-fdic-way/#comment-11785
assbot: BitGo Offers Insurance The FDIC Way | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVtT0 )
asciilifeform: http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/SixMillion.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVuGI )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
assbot: Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVCWO )
mircea_popescu: "BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cache original article!
mircea_popescu: it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: before it's gone.
mircea_popescu: how exactly is the api working ? gpg ?
thestringpuller: PeterL: scoopbot malfunction.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto
PeterL: yeah, I see, working on it, bleh
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: https://www.bitgo.com/api/
thestringpuller: don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo New Reno: Accepted.
BingoBoingo: Oic
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Saved
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i meant, save & mirrorlink
thestringpuller: "Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)."
asciilifeform: statically link!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on the second part
mircea_popescu: ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034635 << too risky.,☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:15:09; asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
mircea_popescu: it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'testnet' but deterministic sync from single node (neither on public net)
asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct.
mircea_popescu: not so.
asciilifeform: (if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time)
thestringpuller: https://www.bitgo.com/api/#decrypt << srsly enc/dec via Javascript in browser?!?!?
thestringpuller: or node.js?!?
mircea_popescu: you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened.
asciilifeform: stuck with what ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Original block 168000 fork no one knew about
asciilifeform: fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go'
asciilifeform: one way or other.
asciilifeform: fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here'
asciilifeform: it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way
punkman: even openssl can't confirm all it's own signatures
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.
mircea_popescu: well, no, but the openssl code as-was.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon
asciilifeform: don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium
mircea_popescu: the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude.
mircea_popescu: ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project"
asciilifeform: certainly can't consist just of that
asciilifeform: you need mathematical proof
asciilifeform: but of internal consistency
asciilifeform: rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd
PeterL: what happens if we remove a bug and it no longer syncs?
asciilifeform: PeterL: depends what kind of bug
asciilifeform: if it was an exploitable bug, old chain is a dead man walking
asciilifeform: if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem.
asciilifeform: in separate address spaces.
asciilifeform: until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Story updated with turdory cached http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
assbot: Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOYtii )
BingoBoingo first heard this news on the radio while retreiving 1/5th of vodka from liquor retailor
punkman: BingoBoingo: .zip link is wrong
BingoBoingo: punkman: fxd nao
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see
nubbins`: 1/5th of what of vodka
nubbins`: and what is the unit you're about to use in real units
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 1/5th is its own unit of measure for packaged liquor
nubbins`: okay, but...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs'
nubbins`: vol*5 = ?
nubbins`: oh, a gallon.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034655 << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source
mircea_popescu: all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf
mircea_popescu: ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer"
asciilifeform: l0lz
nubbins`: on account of it being 750mL in volume
jurov: ;;ticker
danielpbarron: "I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.57, Best ask: 236.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 236.89, 24 hour volume: 5325.74561124, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 238.55, 24 hour vwap: 236.609743047
nubbins`: "oh god, please let me die beneath her fists" -- nick cave
nubbins`: ;p
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit
asciilifeform: (aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary
asciilifeform: rip out and roll in, that is
nubbins`: asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths...
asciilifeform: bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff'
nubbins`: hm
PeterL: asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind?
asciilifeform: PeterL: right
BingoBoingo: 5 days of history left to sync
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation
asciilifeform: see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one
BingoBoingo: Also my porting effort consisted on delete, ctrl-c, and ctrl-v and watching compiler errors
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: we call this "test driven development"
BingoBoingo: Well, I also read the previous porting efforts
asciilifeform: the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove
asciilifeform: if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever?
nubbins`: things that shine the light, as it were
nubbins`: i feel like one of you guys would be in the know
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why don't you give it a whirl
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career.
punkman: http://www.gwern.net/Archiving%20URLs some useful scripts for archiving links and Firefox URL history in particular
assbot: Archiving URLs - Gwern.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP0OKa )
nubbins`: it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies
BingoBoingo doesn't run a firefox with a concept of "history"
asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
thestringpuller: danielpbarron listens to eminem?!?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude
nubbins`: heh.
thestringpuller: my name is...
asciilifeform: evidently, no one has the time or inclination
nubbins`: asciilifeform no kidding
asciilifeform: (rather -and-)
nubbins`: i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station"
nubbins`: so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion
asciilifeform: or better yet, code
asciilifeform: or at the very least review the backport
asciilifeform: ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP1gYY )
danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold)
nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will take time.
danielpbarron: that's not even bad; he says way worse things
mircea_popescu: dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet.
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punkman: I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?!
asciilifeform: punkman: mod6 posted iirc
mircea_popescu: dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches.
mircea_popescu: you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever.
mircea_popescu: but no, geeks gotta geek out.
nubbins`: "after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit"
BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it?
mircea_popescu: yeah right.
asciilifeform: not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ?
mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to drink.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable.
asciilifeform: also waste
nubbins`: mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to
asciilifeform: must -understand- code and write sane version
nubbins` searches for list of famous people dead by alcohol poisoning
BingoBoingo: See what fuckery happens on different *nixen document
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm not saying he says "fuck it, 20th shot in a row", i'm saying he wakes up dead with a mouth fulla foam instead of a bullet in his head or w/e
nubbins`: or is he gonna pull an all-nighter? 8)
kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31639374
assbot: BBC News - How do you catch a drone? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP2XWl )
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in public ?
nubbins`: whoosh
nubbins`: he's sleeping in the restaurant now?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> nubbins` in public ? << Plenty of people in a bar have been slipped mickeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00043964 = 15.7171 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ehh, it's relaxing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option'
kakobrekla: mhm
mircea_popescu: punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? <<< a shadow state is by definition a private concern.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034728 << quite.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> must -understand- code and write sane version << My limit for the forseeable future is maybe spot errors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, "private svejk" ?
asciilifeform: as in 'microshit is private industry'
BingoBoingo: Back to srs commentary on news... Schweich had primary and general election in the bag >> http://themissouritimes.com/14953/schweich-sent-open-letter-requesting-gubernatorial-run/
assbot: Schweich sent an open letter encouraging gubernatorial run - The Missouri Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4o72 )
BingoBoingo: In spite of being emaciated birdnose guy
danielpbarron: i got accused of being "tea party" for tweeting qntra article re: ^
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/#footnote_3_52271 ?
assbot: Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4yeJ )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: the guy shut up really fast when i asked for his real name with the hashtag #FeelingLitigious
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034734 << dude i'd so totally blog all that :D☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:56:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: His one primary opponent as of yesterday was marginal "christian 1st" tea party kook of marginal interest
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra is the news. We maintain credibility by putting that shit in the log now to link later. 5 months old... still toddling
asciilifeform: 'and then he came home to find his family packed into a gasenwagen, and himself on a train to auschwitz, where he caught typhus in a week.' 'dude i'd so totally blog all that'
BingoBoingo: Also there is a prominent prolly unrelated missouri politician name...
BingoBoingo: ;;google peter kinder
gribble: Peter Kinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kinder>; Home | Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder Official Web Site: <http://ltgov.mo.gov/>; Peter Kinder (@PeterKinder) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/peterkinder>
asciilifeform: obligatory >> http://xkcd.com/180/
assbot: xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1vDtlTP )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup.
mircea_popescu: i've never had typhus. have you ?
asciilifeform: haven't gotten around to it yet
asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
BingoBoingo: !s doormouse
assbot: 5 results for 'doormouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=doormouse
mircea_popescu: tbh, i kinda look forward to being forcibly relieved of all sortsa responsibilities.
asciilifeform: lol wut
asciilifeform: 'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yours
asciilifeform: elf and reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never
asciilifeform: notice the difference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.' (orwell's whale)
asciilifeform: ^ that ?
BingoBoingo: !s mazes
assbot: 2 results for 'mazes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mazes
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034183 << The most alive I've felt recently was during a maintenance hallucination☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 09:30:13; BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00044186 = 36.0337 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. more like nostalgia for an earlier, simpler, matasareanu-er time.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform would happily sign under that
thestringpuller: if you poop in your dreams you poop for real
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: what's a maintenance hallucination anyway ?
BingoBoingo: Let's stop calling them dreams, tht word has been abused to death. Children "dream" of world peace. Real men have maintenance hallucinations
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: REM sleep, particularly memorable bouts thereof
asciilifeform: ru and other sane langs have separate words for the 'dreams of world peace' and the kind you have asleep
asciilifeform: learn one.
asciilifeform: problem phixed.
asciilifeform: (TM)
BingoBoingo: !b 7
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/278Y4M9.txt )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it.
mircea_popescu: the actual us hitler (the nigger, whatever his name was, king something, the million brown MEN march on the capitol guy)'s thing is hilarious translated in romanian.
mircea_popescu: "am un vis". well... so go to bed then ?
BingoBoingo: lol, mlk jr/rev/doc
BingoBoingo: Block 344666 sync'd
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034769 << like how ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:07:24; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
nubbins`: well, the last one was sort of a "look at this neat thing" approach
nubbins`: next one: "look at these people doing it wrong"
mircea_popescu: about 300 years worth of experience with printing show that negative pamphlets only work in dictatorships.
mircea_popescu: unless it's "look at stalin sucking cock" it ain't worth printing.
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: yeah, fair
mircea_popescu: the penthouse interview with the faloon prostitute a fine example.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but diss records work all the time. that's why biggie and tupac iz ded.
nubbins`: thestringpuller he has a point
nubbins`: for that matter, you do as well
nubbins`: anyway, just thinkin out loud
thestringpuller: it's like that episode fo the boondocks where they make a diss record about grandpa
BingoBoingo offers Jan 2015 through Feb 12th 2015 all kind of OOM kills, none since
thestringpuller: then all of a sudden people start beating up old people cause the song is dope
BingoBoingo crosses fingers
nubbins`: well anyway, that leftover money from the old posters is still sitting around
thestringpuller: one kid says, "I like to beat up old people cause the song said it was cool to do." << i guess this also related to eminem controversies of the late 90's
nubbins`: be nice to make use of it, for .foundation propaganda or otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84328 @ 0.00043987 = 37.0934 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00043882 = 4.6515 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` leftover moneyz ?
nubbins`: nod. idea was to pay rubes in big cities to print out cheap copies of same poster and paste em up
nubbins`: after an exhaustive search, i found precisely one dude who said his nephew would do it
nubbins`: and it was such a shit job i don't even know if i should describe it
nubbins`: anyway, there's just over a bitcoin and a half there
nubbins`: mildly (but only mildly) surprising that people will suck pennies out of a btc faucet all day, but literally walking around with a roll of packing tape is too much work for $15/hr
mircea_popescu: i paid for this ?!
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: well, no.
nubbins`: you paid for the 50 for what's his name
nubbins`: then i printed another 50 to sell to forum rubes, with the express intention of the profit being used in this manner
mircea_popescu: a, i was starting to think my accounting's as tight as the dod's.
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/b604ad019e65b96035959eabcc8af4df/tumblr_mx127rxlEo1s233qio1_500.jpg << for that tight, prison look.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyaRoW )
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 345307 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46800172847.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.24804
BingoBoingo: Awfully close to no change
BingoBoingo: lol >> http://learnlispthehardway.org/book/3-21-0-lisp-machine/
assbot: L(λ)THW ... ( http://bit.ly/1GybM8Q )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00042253 = 18.5702 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123950 @ 0.00041841 = 51.8619 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So when it comes to Schweich... Biggest bezzel controversy in MO right now is whether or not to build a new NFL stadium. Imma be pissed if that ends up having done him in.
BingoBoingo: !up knotwork
BingoBoingo: !up yhwh_
BingoBoingo: My client has sync'd up to the point of no return, not enough blocks left to trigger an OOM kill
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041841 = 1.7155 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.7, vol: 5485.67443858 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.002, vol: 6212.04634 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.92, vol: 18689.46373519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.510392, vol: 85401.94810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 239.63507, vol: 22.7135206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 237.265875, vol: 51.29906919 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.291054119