asciilifeform: ( right nao, what's in there is a plagiarized gentoo )
asciilifeform: ( staying with classic gentoo for nao, until trinque gives green light for cuntoo 'out of prealpha' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interestingly, in my (conventional gentoo) userland, worked as posted ( i.e. with the newline )
asciilifeform: this box is running traditional gentoo, however, it more closely resembles primary s.mg machine than the test box
asciilifeform: wouldn't surprise me if it is being passed around, contextless, in heathendom, as 'make a gentoo sans systemd' pill.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 'He’s heard of the Republic, hasn’t gotten around to registering a key yet. Even brought his gentoo laptop to my site this year to pick my brain. I complimented him on having GCC < 5. Thing even had Stanislav’s crapolade mask file! ' << ha.
asciilifeform: i meant 'any'. afaik the only remaining graphical www thing that builds even on asciilifeform's ban-flagged gentoo ( not even speaking of musl ) is old firefox.
asciilifeform: hats off to trinque , pretty great item. ( as i understand , we will still need a troo tmsr tarballs mirror, and coupla other things. but it's a good start, 100% musltronic gentoo. )☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque's gcc, btw, is exactly as was printed on the crate, x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl 4.9.4☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: i thought you've successfully seceded from upstream gentoo (i.e. baked own ports tree mirror etc )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand there are exactly two variants : 1) waitloop on trinque to declare his item as ready for battlefield test 2) asciilifeform bakes an exact clone of existing s.mg gentoo ( really, dulap-iii's gentoo )
asciilifeform: phf: pizarro cluster is running a ( pre-trinqueian, admittedly ) arm64 gentoo even nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i considered making a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 -style canned gentoo out of my dulap trad-gentoo, but really would rather switch to trinque's item when it is baked
asciilifeform: 'public gentoo' rotted to ~unusability some time ago
asciilifeform: 'Today 28 June at approximately 20:20 UTC unknown individuals have gained control of the Github Gentoo organization, and modified the content of repositories...' etc
asciilifeform: earlier diana_coman requested conventional gentoo. what'll it be ?☟︎
asciilifeform: right, ave1 produced a working self-builder gnat. nobody's bolted it into a gentoo in such a way that ~everything~ gets built with it, of yet. ( this as i understand is in the cuntoo conveyor )
asciilifeform: it will be getting the asciilifeform-baked trad gentoo, from same tar.gz as dulap and orig s.mg.
asciilifeform: phf: all of google's linux-like crapola stack is gentoo-based
asciilifeform: i dun recall if i mentioned : as of coupla wks ago, no moar 'emerge portage' on asciilifeform's-ban-masks gentoo boxen : it now ~demands~ gpg2 turd.☟︎
asciilifeform: ( nobody, presently, has a multronic gentoo for arm, so the dynamic-musl thing was 100% junk )
asciilifeform: ^ yes, there is a asciilifeform-signed curated gentoo set !
asciilifeform: phf: my current understanding is that it will be able to boot the ~userland~ from my rockchip gentoo ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 ) as-is; will need a proper kernel tho
asciilifeform: ( currently nobody has a musltronic gentoo for arm64, afaik )
asciilifeform: ( iirc gentoo on dulap -- and then as supplied to s.mg -- was baked from a stage4 of same vintage )
asciilifeform: and it represents the most recent asciilifeform-baked gentoo
asciilifeform: my point was, rockchip gentoo was made with 0 gcc reversion gymnastics, all i needed was a vintage stage4 tarball , and my blacklist
asciilifeform: mod6: your hosed gentoo : what year stage4 didja use ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810194 << exactly it. your musl gcc never built, so trb has nothing to be built ~with~. you must find out why it did not build. but i recommend burning your heathen linux to the ground and using danielpbarron's, or trinque's, or mine, gentoo recipe☝︎
asciilifeform: they dun need to magick the gentoo from 0 tho
asciilifeform: i suppose this is not bad time to mention that i have experimental gentoo for a deloused (i.e. degoogleated) c101pa laptop
asciilifeform: should use gentoo's standard MAKEOPTS
asciilifeform: douchebag: historically i've found that setting up a gentoo box to 'workstation' standard takes 2-3 wks. (depending , though less than you might think, on the speed of the comp.) fortunately 99+% of the work has already been done for you on that box.
asciilifeform: so what was the 'getting used to gentoo' about ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: this was presumably your rockchip login ? if as you said you are 'getting used to gentoo', you already have it ?
asciilifeform: in principle, the gentoo i posted earlier, oughta boot on these.
asciilifeform: should, theoretically, boot that very same asciilifeform.gentoo
asciilifeform: shinohai: and in coupla days there will be a ready gentoo image you can try an' download
asciilifeform: not only sniff test, but , may as well proclaim it here : 1) 6 rockchiptrons are to be installed at pizarro 2) each subscriber gets a clean , asciilifeform-recipe gentoo image to start with 3) 128GB flash by default , upgrades negotiable , talk to ben_vulpes & mod6 4) each machine comes with full kernel src for asciilifeform's custom rockchip kernel recipe
asciilifeform: speaking of which, apparently AS OF TODAY gentoo portage latest ver DEMANDS gpg2.☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic; running also self-built kernel; no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing )
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose : asciilifeform currently taking suggestions re what proggies ought to live in a 'standard' arm-gentoo image that will be supplied to rockchip boxen subscribers
asciilifeform: good chunk of the installed packages on typical gentoo box is really liquishit
asciilifeform: in particular this thought in asciilifeform's head sprung from noticing a CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK='/etc/gentoo-release /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo /etc/ca-certificates.conf' in the default environment
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trinque , ever looked into purging sslism from gentoo ? in particular the existence of /etc/ca-certificates.conf and its contents as a ~mandatory package, i find quite irritating☟︎
asciilifeform: but aside from this, 'throw out, or buy five more?', i have a self-rebuilding gentoo, and theoretically recent 'uboot' gives a blobless boot and ergo 100% blobless machine that actually fucking builds own kernel and gcc and etc etc
asciilifeform: q for trinque was , when did gentoo stage3 start using this 'feature'.
asciilifeform: hey trinque , i was attempting a gentoo , and found that i cannot even extract a 2016 stage3 on a sane box because --xattrs-include='*.*' and my tar has nfi what xattrs are
asciilifeform: then will simply clone the gentoo for each new user ( or he can transmit a SD image , signed , and BingoBoingo will pump it in, plug in a board, and up an' running )
asciilifeform: the arm gentoo i am cooking up as we speak.
asciilifeform: fwiw there are a number of proggies i was not able to build on that x60 , under my gentoo banflag-list . e.g. 'chromium', number of others.
asciilifeform: for all the rot of gentoo, i was nevertheless able to get this result, after using the recipe i posted 2y ago
asciilifeform: phf: i have a gtk2-only ff on the gentoo-x60; but iirc it is an old ver
asciilifeform: even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box.
asciilifeform: fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse
asciilifeform: i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage.
asciilifeform: the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this
asciilifeform: fwiw my gentoo recipe was written when i was preparing x60
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, would guess that they were plucked out of some gentoo ebuilds
asciilifeform: if you dont know how to magick a gentoo gcc-gnat, use adacore's
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc he did have a standalone gentoo-cooker neh
asciilifeform: the funny bit is that gabriel_laddel came pretty close to building something like cuntoo (i.e. a sanely depythonized gentoo) ; which would've been useful and respectable
asciilifeform: a number of items in gentoo ports ~did~ have pgp sigs. but none of anybody in my l2 (or 3, or afaik even 4 )
asciilifeform: trinque: i still haven't attempted musltronic gentoo. ( and have nfi whether it could be used on a workstation, say -- does emacs run ? what dies ? )
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta-usable-off-the-shelf gentoo on the classical www , is living its final days.
asciilifeform: trinque: i must note, my gentoo is ordinary, rather than musltronic
asciilifeform: ( at least as much so as my other gentoo boxen )
asciilifeform: i mean, it never before existed in gentoo, it's apparently an imported debianism.
asciilifeform: ^ fresh gentoo box, in response to any man command
asciilifeform: ports, in gentoo world, are little scripts for building package
asciilifeform: phunphakt : this yr's gentoo stage3 all include systemd (disabled, sure, but BINARILY PRESENT motherfuckers)
asciilifeform: document means what ? i've been using'em in gentoo boxes for decade+, fwiw.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want to use gcc's gnat, you gotta get old ( 2016 and earlier oughta work ) tarball manually, and build; or obtain the 'obsolete' gentoo ebuild.
asciilifeform: in other noose, ALL of the 'livedvd' on gentoo's ftp appear to contain poetteringolade ( boots into gui horror, with systemd, 'networkmanager'-at-boot, etc. )
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque is your musltronic gentoo recipe posted anywhere ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by the gentoo(tm)(r) people, naturally. helpfully announcing the final cement burial of whatever useful bits were still left on their www from pre-quisling times.
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought i mentioned it in my gentoo recipe.
asciilifeform: and it makes sane gentoo a difficult proposition .
