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mircea_popescu: lurking, eh.
asciilifeform fiddles with serverz. the noise -- abominable
mircea_popescu: !!up izabera
deedbot: izabera voiced for 30 minutes.
izabera: hi
mircea_popescu: how goes
izabera: all good, i don't actually need help or anything
mircea_popescu: cool
izabera: just found this chan on https://archive.is/CGQkR
asciilifeform: ohai izabera . are you a customer ?
izabera: nope
izabera: at least not yet
asciilifeform: izabera: the unit is very much still available.
izabera: how many did you actually sell?
asciilifeform: izabera: try asking dell how many servers he sold ?
mircea_popescu: not like it's not in the reports. hundred or so ?
izabera: not bad
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun think we ever published the exact #. although folx oughta be able to arithmetize.
mircea_popescu: within a degree of magnitude, sorta thing
asciilifeform: 100 was just the first batch ( which sold out last yr )
izabera: are the prices on this page https://archive.is/CNpWm up to date?
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: where was that danielpbarron amazion thing ?
asciilifeform: 0.0395 is the current. ☟︎
izabera: still hella expensive
asciilifeform: izabera: i gotta bite : compared to what ?
izabera: a ps4
asciilifeform: someone sells an auditable trng called ps4 ?
asciilifeform: link ?
mircea_popescu: lol ps4
mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down alfie!
asciilifeform: i mean it is also expensive compared to children's tricycle. but how about comparing similar items..
izabera: i mean you must be aware of btc's recent jump to >15k usd
mircea_popescu: izabera you can prolly pick up some in teh aftermarket ; either amazon or w/e.
danielpbarron: someone bid and won it for 200 USD
danielpbarron: i'll put some more up soon
mircea_popescu: was your last one ?
danielpbarron: i have plenty more
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque is your musltronic gentoo recipe posted anywhere ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !!up BingoBoingo
deedbot: BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: err
danielpbarron: !~later tell izabera https://www.ebay.com/itm/292364922124
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: oh hey notbad biznis danielpbarron has.
danielpbarron: yeah it'
danielpbarron: yeah it's pretty nice. i can't really lose money selling these things
danielpbarron: even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort
asciilifeform: possibly folx are less reluctant to part with fiatola than good old coinz
danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform realized not long ago that he's quite ready to pay considerably 'more' in fiatola for a hypothetical item that is also-sold for btc , on account of the difficulty of replenishing the latter
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749209 << this is the key of the strategy. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
mircea_popescu: !!up clambodile
deedbot: clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up clambodile
deedbot: clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: clambodile: please get an irc bouncer , or lurk by reading the logs. join/part spamola is not welcome
cruciform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171210/#52 they charged me import duty a fortnight after arrival!
scriba: Logged on 2017-12-10: [01:29:30] <danielpbarron> even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort
cruciform: just about finished up with 6 months of logs; turns out I've a LOT of work to do! :-)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !!up esthlos
deedbot: esthlos voiced for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: cruciform, if you don't mind, i'm curious what they charged you
cruciform: danielpbarron: £15, iirc
asciilifeform: in other noose, ALL of the 'livedvd' on gentoo's ftp appear to contain poetteringolade ( boots into gui horror, with systemd, 'networkmanager'-at-boot, etc. )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: reproducing ben_vulpes' travails ahaha?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: reproducing everybody's travails
ben_vulpes: likely with the 'wrist' to make it work
asciilifeform: no exotic archs tho
ben_vulpes: buddy i've been beaten back on entirely conventional archs even of late
asciilifeform: i thought ben_vulpes had a ppc thing
ben_vulpes: among others, yes
ben_vulpes: it is sitting happily on a desk, refusing to ada for reasons of package gcc 4.9 blocks gnat-gpl, which is the point at which i threw up my hands and declared a temporary retrograde advance
asciilifeform: the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( the building can happen, however , on any box having a working gnat of whatever type )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want to use gcc's gnat, you gotta get old ( 2016 and earlier oughta work ) tarball manually, and build; or obtain the 'obsolete' gentoo ebuild.
asciilifeform: alternatively you can use adacore's item.
asciilifeform: ( i don't know of any particular reason to spit on it )
ben_vulpes: most recently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740314 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 18:10 ben_vulpes: but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: that's a first. this was on the ppc? or on pc?
ben_vulpes: pc
ben_vulpes: cruciform: webirc is going to piss everyone off with join/part spam
ben_vulpes: either get a real bouncer or read the wwwlogz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749146 << here's something perhaps of interest re all that : loper-os beat btcbase for referrals for the first time in history (and harshly, 2:1 sorta thing) this month. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-09 22:55 asciilifeform: does it ? i dun recall last time e.g. trilema was '#1 on tardcombinator'
mircea_popescu: so we could say the ycombined parameciums are moving, knocking about the walls of the petri dish. nevertheless, they don't feel at liberty to derp in comments there like they do on your site -- notwithstanding the bar to comment on loper-os is actually too high what with the google captcha thing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so you might actually be right, i'm scary (or at least, scary-er).
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ explanation, however, might well be that i don't write on topics about which they're trained to think they have an oppinion. it's easy to forget the parameciums are not actually people, and to imagine human process impels them ; this isn't however the case, they just go where they were trained to go and do what they were trained to do, no more. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> err << Tis airport handle made for device that can't be trusted with bouncer credential, nothing important may come out of there, merely fresh annecdotes from safari
mircea_popescu: and consequently one continuously runs the risk of having produced an inadvertent bike shed, because according to inscrutable alien logics the aliens will land and disrupt rock concerts but not country music concerts ; or vice-versa. cuz the aliens think they can rock or whatever.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort << If you want to drop some off personally in montevideo, you will likely avoid customs charges.
mircea_popescu: "oh, are you writing about $item ? this is in my bayesian list, here's five things i selected from the database of things to be selected when this $item is mentioned! #metoo".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile for all values of $item not in empire_db... silence.
BingoBoingo: Customs when I arrived worked out as so: 1. See declarations paper work outside duty free shop exit in front of baggage claim 2. Fill out for for networking gear. 3. Wheel bags to customs gate around corner, holding paper in hand 4. Get waved through into Uruguay in name of speed
BingoBoingo: This process may not hold when tourism season ends
mircea_popescu: it'll hold, dude. i went illegalyl from mexico into guatemala for literal lack of anyone to give a shit.
BingoBoingo has also secured Spanish lessons beginning next week from cute Venezualan girl who teaches English for some school in the WTC
BingoBoingo: Naturally she will be coming to my oficina
BingoBoingo: And the Brazilians here for Expo Cannabis are still smoking hella weed
BingoBoingo kinda surprised danielpbarron isn't already here, prolly ought to save the date for next year's
BingoBoingo: The Brazilian manner of smoking Cannabis is to roll it into joins ~120-150 mm long and chain smoke them in the manner estadounidenses chainsmoke cigarettes
BingoBoingo: <phf> i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever << This would not be inaccurate
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749235 << nobody has solved the bootstrapping problem. every time you touch a system that's in any way attempts to not be a c-machine you run into that issue ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 02:43 asciilifeform: the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/10/fui-al-cine/ << Bingo Blog - Fui al cine
BingoBoingo: Brb, outside time
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749249 << 0 paramecium dropping in the ffaseries comments thus far ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 13:08 mircea_popescu: so we could say the ycombined parameciums are moving, knocking about the walls of the petri dish. nevertheless, they don't feel at liberty to derp in comments there like they do on your site -- notwithstanding the bar to comment on loper-os is actually too high what with the google captcha thing.
asciilifeform: they mostly stick to their own heathen-pits.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749251 << this is probably it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 13:10 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ explanation, however, might well be that i don't write on topics about which they're trained to think they have an oppinion. it's easy to forget the parameciums are not actually people, and to imagine human process impels them ; this isn't however the case, they just go where they were trained to go and do what they were trained to do, no more.
asciilifeform: 'oh here's something that looks like a proggy. let's all stand next to it and opine.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749266 << asciilifeform has been chewing on this conundrum for a while. the inevitable pill is a minimal ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736844 ) but reasonable microscopic interpreter ( likely schemelike ) in asm; and from it, to climb back up. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 14:56 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749235 << nobody has solved the bootstrapping problem. every time you touch a system that's in any way attempts to not be a c-machine you run into that issue
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:12 asciilifeform: i'm not fully convinced that a scripting lang ~needs~ a gc
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748564 << >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000280.html ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 02:18 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747850 << no prob! will have the 'Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch Guide' (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html) updated by the end of the weekend.
asciilifeform: !!up fromloper
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.rdos.net/rdos
asciilifeform: in other oldies, elsewhere, in bloatology : https://archive.is/Yt92E << '20 years of NetBSD code bloat' . with chart.
asciilifeform: 'I have built a NetBSD release from trunk 1 January each year 2002–2016 ... I built i386 (which is the NetBSD name for x86, even though it does not support i386 CPUs any longer) and sun3. The reason I choose them is that they represent two extremes of architectures — sun3 is a hardware platform that was obsolete already in the mid-nineties, so software size "should not" increase for it unless new functionality is added, while the
asciilifeform: i386 hardware is still used, and it has got more features, bigger caches etc., during this time, which may increase code size.'
asciilifeform: !!up nocko
deedbot: nocko voiced for 30 minutes.
nocko: I was linked to FFA guide, started looking around and am now here. I cannot say that I yet have half an idea what's going on... but hello. ☟︎
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740481 << the stage3 i deeded up allows for gcc 4.9. see http://danielpbarron.com/2017/gentoo-eulora-quest/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 22:22 ben_vulpes: republic really doesn't have repeatable steps for building a gentoo with gcc 4.9, does it
danielpbarron: oh, i think i already linked this to you.. did it not work?
trinque: there will be a brief wallet outage while I swap a hard drive. ☟︎