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mircea_popescu: they're eerily reminiscent of early ww2 soviet "tank" production
mircea_popescu: if it ever worked that way, it was back in the 50s, when under pressure from soviet union free housing and moreover http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831653☝︎
mircea_popescu: the charge of "contempt of court" (the "court" being in this case quite very personally a certain gettleman) in the new soviet roughly approximates the never-formally-codified charge of "insufficient love for batyushka".
mircea_popescu: well, it's the argument he's bringing. "whether the pantsuit "nationalize" property for reasons to do with the property, like the soviet-pantsuit, or for reasons to do with you, like the nazi-pantsuit, fact remains they're stealing shit because they're socialists, that's what they do"
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843898 << not manacled, texas doesn't bother me, and I've not concluded yet how far away currency implosion is for the great soviet☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd be surprised what % of trumpeted "great soviet financial coups" are exactly of the substance and consistency of forum investors' victories.
mircea_popescu: this is at the heart of soviet survival -- "we call it this but really it does that" aka http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561507☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is how things go in lulzistan : "nutty" ideologies that survive do so because pick up the practical slack of soviet idiocy.
mircea_popescu: recall soviet jews ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-17#1054497 << fucking hysterical products of spelunking. get a load of that, soviet pioneer has read lenin, is sad to have to go back home.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
mircea_popescu: and that it is not too late to tell now. and that we can tell it utterly failed, both in the soviet "one big mass" approach and in the roosevelt-socialist "pyramid of many masses" approach
mircea_popescu: set moron bit on new-soviet exactly as on previous set and moved on.
mircea_popescu: the reason soviet industry imploded was lack of demand. construction drives all sectors, the building itself would have bought them ~decade to figure shit out.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of Venezolanas working on getting their professional licenses here trained in the intense soviet tradition
mircea_popescu: soviet has its own sort of logic.
mircea_popescu: trinque to be genuine soviet, it was supposed to have been stolen @factory.
trinque: this fits with my cartoon head-simulation of the soviet era
mircea_popescu: soviet survives while it can keep the large mass of epsilonians inside.
mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform phf or other conaisseurs of ye olde mosfilm : you'll prolly much enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/the-lords-of-flatbush/ ; it's basically the tough youth of soviet agitprop, in all the formal particulars, except functionally he runs away like a rabbit and sees no problem with this.
mircea_popescu: anyway -- to the folks playing host, it is interesting like a soviet food ratios stamp.
mircea_popescu: these people have no fucking idea re soviet survival skills.
mircea_popescu: i toldja, soviet capacitors :D
mircea_popescu: http://dl.wavetrex.eu/oldcomp/DSC_8811.JPG << lotta eg st micro chips used (the board etc are genuinely made in ro, but imported soviet capacitors etc)
mircea_popescu: much more like argentina than soviet union.
mircea_popescu: and so, the modern little lysenkos have the united-soviet government convinced of their brand of nonsense ; much like the others.
mircea_popescu: lmao BingoBoingo! "The five young men have been ordered to inform police every time they release new music," << anyone recall ye olde soviet struggles with "rock music" ?
mircea_popescu: i find it SO fucking infuriating the all-soviet pioneer morons actually go about pretending like that idiocy is ~anything but~ the most laughable thing ever...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the only problem is, i'm paying bitcoin to fix google's crapolade ? this sounds a lot like the soviet-sponsored "criticism of capitalism"
asciilifeform: my 'root of trust' is iron that i assembled with own hands, out of soviet components, and sealed with glitter polish. fuck fritz tpm.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental difference -- in the original soviet, the little soviets were expected to plug selves into machine. which, while in a deeply feminine sort of way, is nevertheless somehow satisfying.
asciilifeform: it is sorta hilarious how a good 50-60% of the popular (they were hand-copied, and machine had no nonvolatile memory, you had to throw in the proggy each time you flipped the power on ) gamez, were based on the very soviet-flavoured diff. eqn. models the factory manual suggested
mircea_popescu: soviet republic of angola.
asciilifeform: african, not soviet.
mircea_popescu: such a sad soviet world.
mircea_popescu: all-soviet pioneers!
mircea_popescu: well, apparently he doesn't know what goes in $x. which... i have nfi how this is possible, but somehow it occured. "i am working on a thing" "who made it" "dunno" "vorwarts, soviet!"
trinque: rednecks rebuild junkyard engines all the livelong day, if we're seriously imagining that suddenly we're back to grand soviet ideas and only buran makes toilets, space ships, dildos
mircea_popescu: so no, eminently not like oklahoma. like soviet-occupied berlin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this understanding nevertheless does NOT relieve the soviet brass from having had to and having failed to either a) produce something alternatative for them to sing or b) shoot them all, a la maduro.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so the rate that'd have allowed soviet industry a positive epsilon return on capital goods was cca 10-20:1 in 1992 (depending how and what you sort) and the "tourist rate" was 60:1. bingo.
mircea_popescu: this is the deep issue uniting "rock and roll in the soviet union" with "malinche, lover of hernan cortes" : without a ~well connected local~ to spit on the local items, there can not be a serious devaluation of them.
mircea_popescu: (and yes it was a crime to own bitcoins for soviet citizek.)
mircea_popescu: however, they also lack the very military modesty of soviet russia, being instead old spinster maids. so they make a ... "here's a not really value we were only kidding k ?"
mircea_popescu: but yes, your intuition is broadly correct : usg lacks both the actual size and the self-perceived size of soviet russia. as a result, they don't come out with a "x per rouble" statement.
mircea_popescu: socialism has created a broken world. which takes us right back to the rock'n'roll / soviet state thing from yest : the 1988 problem ~wasn't~ aesthetic. it was that the "responses" provided by "the system" were strictly speaking http://trilema.com/2018/printul/#selection-39.91-39.107
mircea_popescu: long story short, soviet kids integrated into youth culture faster than soviet state integrated "soviet world" ; the result was the failure of the soviet state.
mircea_popescu: it's two pronged. on one hand, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=vhs+america ; on the other hand http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/ ; https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-05-19/how-rock-and-roll-brought-soviet-union-down ; https://blogs.lt.vt.edu/aalrussia2014/2014/12/07/behind-the-iron-curtain-western-music-and-the-soviet-collapse/ and piles of similar wank. they misrepresent and misunderstand everything involved, of course,
Mocky: what is the soviet state rock and roll relationship?
mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
mircea_popescu: in fact, polyamory and the harem are exact opposites under this aspect, that polyamory is transparently enough an attempt to limit the depth of investment (after all, good soviet shouldn't love anything more than the party, right) whereas harem is on the contrary, what pitre'd call "an exagerated" investment. absolute enough to consider "move on or burn myself" dilemma as such.
mircea_popescu: (and no, the dream of "soviet integration" is moscow-only. the russians were tribes, with the georgians about as russian as the small rus')
mircea_popescu: very much the problem of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 ; though not for the causes he ascribes, nor with the divisions implicit etc. there's no future for man in the brave new world exactly in the sense and exactly for the reasons there was no future for man in soviet russia 8th decade. white, black, turqouise, russian, turkmen, georgian, it dun matter -- the only possible move for they confronted with totalitaria☝︎
mircea_popescu: so the soldier's soviet will decide which way to charge this evening.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental pretense of the ~soviet~, in the original sense of the term, is that a group of imbeciles can nevertheless make decisions on the basis of their misapprehension of the environment.
mircea_popescu: "engineered the total immersive soviet citizen experience"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812515 << this is exactly how soviet economy died, too!☝︎
mircea_popescu: grover furr's page ( https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/ ) more universally interesting than just soviet early history, at that.
mircea_popescu: i thought the big story out of the soviet united these days is which geezer said which other geezer isn't welcome at his funeral.
mircea_popescu: rural mommies all over the soviet union prayed for their children to get "an office job" in the great new state being built ; and before the soviet union was invented the EXACT SAME women, physically identically the same notwithstanding the centuries in between them, were praying for at least one of their sons to be a priest. for the same exact reasons, escapism is fundamentally the losers' adaptation.
mircea_popescu: big scandal in romania these days, btw, because "it turns out" that in 2005 the ustards exported their spy-on-citizens system they brought up online sometime post 2001, and the romanians of course used it to spy on, eg, members of the csat ("supreme council of defense", funny communist leftover item, after the soviet model). and you know, ex "generals" going to the media with "the cia boss, the fbi boss and the military attac
mircea_popescu: but let's take the case of say drubich. chick didn't even WANT to be an actress ; yet her career conveniently spans the gap, and if you compare her work in the 80s with her work in the 90s, you can readily see the uglification effect of an all-soviet soyuz. even conquers age, somehow 30yo woman looks WAY THE FUCK better than her own teen self.
mircea_popescu: show me a soviet hottie from the 80s.
mircea_popescu: one really should watch the two side by side to appreciate the sheer depth this soviet soyuz fell in but twenty short years.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how soviet library would offer you "lenin's writings on tensors" if you were looking for anything done by imperialist-burgeois authors in the field.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: montevideo was just about soviet-level of exhaust gas
mircea_popescu: yeah but it doesn't strike me at all like soviet groupshenanigans.
mircea_popescu: (for the connoisseur : the only noteworthy, but indeed noteworthy for the insane lulz, part of this "straightedge" is how early usian starry-eyed communism had its EXACT equivalent of the... wtf was the soviet name for the anti-nep youths that didn't wash ? same group that did the great leap forward in china ?)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> swahili isn't one of them. << Swahili's the one Soviet allies in US academia were directed to, likely because not a language
a111: Logged on 2015-06-25 07:05 mircea_popescu: "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783476 << crowdsourced middle management is a rather terrible idea ; are you familiar with say the potemkin rebellion, or generally the early (properly soviet) phase of russian revolution ?☝︎
trinque: I would've said this in jest of soviet perceptions of AMERICA (TM)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 03:52 phf: ascii still labours under soviet system: "hygiene is useful, you will also get shot for not doing it"
phf: ascii still labours under soviet system: "hygiene is useful, you will also get shot for not doing it"
shinohai: Diana Voman sounds very Soviet to me for some reason.
mircea_popescu: the russki kids that "didn't want to" go to afghanistan and went anyway cuz who the fuck is asking them at least had the superficially coherent excuse that they did not believe in the soviet state. the ameritards by comparison "we only believe in it-gives-us-free-monies portion of us, no more", much less of an argument.
mircea_popescu: that they're "soviet" or "ourdemocracy" matters less than "they exist in 1970".
mircea_popescu: if this isn't from the soviet days i have nfi wut.
phf: actually i think in soviet system they were produced by going further distance from moscow. the whole soviet engineer model of economic expansion: send a group of leveled up moscovites to khanty-mansiyks to build a factory and a hospital
phf: hmm, i suspect myself and ascii are products of soviet background. we expect there to not be shit also outside the castle walls (no shit in all the new soviet man's households by year 1956!)
BingoBoingo: And it turns out the State's bank is the far less soviet option.
BingoBoingo: In developments thus far, the responsiveness of the current accountant has been a disappointment, an independent accountant has been consulted, and getting ready for an adventure to a less soviet bank.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, soviet attempt to industrialize culture fared just as miserably.
shinohai: In Soviet Russia, password hack YOU: https://password.kaspersky.com/
mircea_popescu: this shit reads exactly like old soviet side jokes about the great production and utter penury.
mircea_popescu: from here to "we sacrificye for PARTY" is but one step, and it's idiotic step. soviet worked when sacrificed for lenin, for trotsky, for stalin. failed when sacrificed "For party"
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that piece commenting on how soviet citizens all sooner or later wake up to the disney quality of their state ?
mircea_popescu: the argument is not that usian socialism is utterly and entirely disjunct from soviet socialism
mircea_popescu: here, i have a soviet joke for you :
mircea_popescu: no child left behind was the soviet ideal ? really ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ideal of the soviet man of science is that until such a time as every last soviet citizen can follow brin the elder, no brin the elder should speak ?
phf: there's soviets that read "ponedelnik nachinayetsa..." and took it to heart, they proped up the rest of the charade. that's the ideal soviet man, that products of intelligentsia parents like ascii or myself talk about. it is obviously a chimera, but it still has a mythical value
mircea_popescu: like, let's have an example of any item, mechanism, anything recognizably soviet that worked as described.
mircea_popescu: which soviet i never saw was this ?!
mircea_popescu: the point is really, "soviet man didn't know how to support a group" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you read "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country" other than a) a retcon of history (soviet man EMINENTLY was never like this,. but like the opposite of this) and b) "please please please let there be no republc please" rendered in prolix sty
asciilifeform: 'perhaps, to the end of his days, valeriy bardin remained a soviet man -- it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country. and, perhaps, will be again. perhaps this was specifically the thing which was worth learning from valeriy bardin. when he was still there.'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:43 mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line.
mircea_popescu: soviet-style ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757906 ) nuke plant development would result in cost per elec-watt being half of cost per oil-watt within generation.☝︎