tmsr - Log 2018-11-02

billymg: hi all, sorry i've been away for a bit. last weekend ended up being a social one and tonight's the first chance i've had to poke around with vtools

billymg: managed to press vtools and use vdiff to create a patch of the css tweaks for the "default" theme included in mp-wp http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp-css-refine.txt ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soo asciilifeform had a bit of sleep and wakes up and turns out the serpent thing has a twist ending

asciilifeform: hm, loox like he went to sleep, i suppose i'ma spoil it tomorrow...

asciilifeform: ( but yes it's a proper ending, not a 'more studies needed'(tm)(r) )

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868722 << must be the dreaded ada/c interop. which version of gnat, which os are you using? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 01:37 billymg: however, it's not including the file hashes in the diff

phf: billymg: did it come pre installed? you can do gnatmake --version for a point of reference

billymg: ahh, that would be it then. i don't seem to have ada, etc. installed

phf: i suspect you only have the first patch applied, which comes with a makefile, and which will indeed produce a vdiff that doesn't know how to hash

phf: billymg: at the top of your vtools directory, is there a file called "Makefile" and is there are file called "vdiff.gpr"?

billymg: i ran `make` after pressing and got a `vdiff` binary, used that one

asciilifeform: billymg: you can't 'emerge' gnat on the rk, the only known arm64 gnat is ave1's, and presently gotta be hand-emplaced

asciilifeform: it's slated for inclusion in cuntoo, so at some point will come standard on rk, but that day not yet come

billymg: ok, phf, i pressed again at `vdiff_keccak.vpatch`, now i have those files in my vtools directory

billymg: mircea_popescu: happy i was able to provide a bit of light entertainment

phf: vtools_genesis is a very reduced gnu diff, which has a place for hash, but doesn't know how to produce one, until either sha or keccak is attached in later patches

billymg: phf: ty and apologies for the simple questions. definitely learned a few more things about v this evening

mircea_popescu: billymg don't take it the wrong way ; nothing wrong with not knowing things. i don't know most of them either.

mircea_popescu: and isn't it great that our code of conduct prevents me from actually telling you how i feel about the matter. /sarcasm

mircea_popescu: (somehow the femtards never seem to figure the fucking obvious, "agreeing to be nice" can only possibly result in folger's friendship and no genuine anything to be had anywhere.... god i fucking hate 'em.) ☟︎

billymg: mircea_popescu: not at all, i was amused myself when i put myself in your shoes and read my messages as "how does the what go into the who now?"

billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868759 << and yes, one of the many MANY reasons i want to be here. this very thing, constantly, at work and everywhere else, takes its toll on your sanity ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 03:57 mircea_popescu: (somehow the femtards never seem to figure the fucking obvious, "agreeing to be nice" can only possibly result in folger's friendship and no genuine anything to be had anywhere.... god i fucking hate 'em.)

a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 17:25 mircea_popescu: this notion of "be anyone" etc is entirely fabricated, out of the venom of mother inca and the overactive brains of idle smart boys. nobody agrees with it, nothing agrees with it in practice, it never is nor ever was nor ever could be found in nature... it's like you thinking santa claus is real.

Mocky: you meet someone new and don't know who they are, they could be anything

mircea_popescu: and no, they couldn't be "anything". i'm not asking fucking naively, "please supply a string for my exec()". i'm asking to see whether they're fucking demented or not.

mircea_popescu: because gee whiz, "i am not prepared to answer this question" is strictly speaking dementia, a seven year old is expected to be ahead of that, which is why that's when they start formal schooling.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868075 -> there being a few more points there though since "and" requires fixed and same sizes of the two operands while now they are loosely "Integers" ; and sure, I can cast them to some fixed size type but then I make the whole package depend on Interfaces ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867935 << he;'s got a solid point there.

diana_coman: not at all sure it's worth all that just for preserving the no implicit conditionals restriction (which as asciilifeform pointed out already, is not evil per se http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867953 )) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:54 asciilifeform: implicit conditionals aint evil per se , tho ; i banned them in ffa specifically as they get in the way of constanttimeism, is all

diana_coman: if we aimed indeed for constant time, then sure, definitely worth the change but that's not the case

diana_coman: alternatively I suppose I could just declare own limited types and work with that but I still don't think it's worth doing at this point

asciilifeform: diana_coman: unlike, e.g., haskellists, we only do things if they make sense : as you pointed out, 'bit-vectorized' keccak aint constant time, no matter what, so no particular reason to bother with the massage

shinohai: Heya asciilifeform ... built trb w/ your aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch so tests/observations in progress

shinohai: Hi diana_coman nice to see you! I'm back from summer of convalescence, not doing anything in particular yet these days.

asciilifeform: ( there's prolly enuff of them that one could even squeeze a meager living from it ! like e.g. rat catchers in 18th c london )

shinohai: Well it hasn't yielded income equal to other pursuits, I just find it amusing (from bouncing about alt-irc shitcoin groups) that so many of these guys really think they are competitor to actual Bitcoin.

shinohai: (Latest is "42coin, priced at roughly 4 BTC each - includes malleable addresses as an "anonymity feature")

diana_coman: I guess I can see asciilifeform's "rat catchers" viewpoint - it basically requires very unsanitary environment

shinohai: Thank God trb is the bleach used to clean up at the end of the day.

diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else ☟︎

shinohai: What can I say, I've always enjoyed lulzing at shitcoiners, kinda miss doing it on Qntra even. Though yes, it does seem inane and repetitive at times.

deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2675 << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Transform is Injective. ☟︎

diana_coman: o.O so it's actually fine re key schedule after all? /me goes to read

diana_coman: it is at any rate a very nice example to follow re investigating something of this sort; thank you asciilifeform !

BingoBoingo: And people say math can't be any fun for the spectators

asciilifeform: ( we're roughly where we were 1wk ago, if with a coupla new grey hairs ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i would not use phrase 'very fine' but it ~isn't~ elementarily botched, is all. there's 2^256 outs, 1 per in.

asciilifeform: and if anyone can think of a shorter one that still 'fits in head', plox to post, and i'ma link to it.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 18:09 mircea_popescu: it does ~seem~ to be weaker than my own intel indicates, but fuck that spot.

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 14:27 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2675 << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Transform is Injective.

asciilifeform: lol hey at least nao mircea_popescu knows that i feed'em to him as i get'em, instead of sitting on'em

asciilifeform: ( and it is prolly possible to fit the 'storm' into a yet-smaller 'teacup', even )

a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 05:07 asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform tried to bake a proof that the lamehash keyinflater function of serpent is one-to-one ( i.e. actually carries 256bit of the key register's entropy into the 528 bytes of whiteolade ) and not only didnt , but realized that afaik no such proof exists for any 'troo' hash also ( incl keccak.. )

asciilifeform: then, went to step on erry possible nail in erry plank, lol

asciilifeform: mod6: recall when i went on similarly fruitless expedition into kock.gpg guts, heh

mircea_popescu: i like how these articles of yours end up in the pulp fiction tradition quentin tarantino so much loved. "the end ... (for now...)" etc.

asciilifeform: the proggy can be used in fyootoor to similarly examine whatever recurrent function.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i just meant what he says stands ; i'm not married to the directive.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other lulzfarm, "LordMPofTMSR Not even kidding. SrirachaSkittles Drop whatever what is? Do you just ignore people’s profiles? LordMPofTMSR Yup."

mircea_popescu: womenz and their insane if hilarious and apparently ubiquitous belyf in wordmagic.

mircea_popescu: who the everloving fuck reads "profiles" ? same people who exec user strings i suppose ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once saw a vintage door sign, 'this is a cobbler shop, there are no prostitutes at this address, thank you'

mircea_popescu: trinque and part of a large collection of indistinct-but-distinguishable sameitems.

mircea_popescu: this, the definitive femwank, indistinct-but-distinguishable. hence "romantic" (romanticism is in all times and places the shorthand name for the mainstream wank) notions of identification-past-identity, and "true love" and all that.

mircea_popescu: because she specifically wants both ends of the dilemma. she WANTS to be indistinct, and she WANTS to be distinguished in spite of it.

asciilifeform: 'i will not be common!'(tm)(r)(some film quoted in mircea_popescu's www)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i were a prankster i'd ring the bell to ask how his wife's doing and when did she pass.

asciilifeform: when i saw it, i was immediately convinced that it must've hung on an actual bordello, as cheap camouflage

mircea_popescu: incidentally, to continue the above : the whole "no means no" wank is cheap proxy for "i am woman, and for years I have focused and prepared for words to do things, and I will not be derailed. I will not be embarrassed, and I will not be denied! So tomorrow, words will do things, come hell or high fucking water!"

asciilifeform: hey it's how the end up 'hare'ing krishna an' such. 'words do things'

mircea_popescu: and if you deny it, the response comes ~as if~ you had denied everything-about-the-idiot, because, to them, you literally have. if wordmagic dun exist, if her words have exactly 0 power to anything, if she could just as well cup her palms, word in her left and piss in her right, then... then... then WHAT WAS IT ALL FOR ?!?!?

diana_coman: asciilifeform, re proof at first pass it looks sound to me; my only current niggle with it (to be addressed at 2nd pass) is if there are any bits of the key interchangeable perhaps (though it doesn't seem likely, I can't yet tell for sure)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: they aint; recall that the square-bracketed items on right hand side are constants

mircea_popescu: it's that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760109 but for a different sort of socialism : rooslveltist socialism, the femvariant. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 00:42 mircea_popescu: o shit there it is, navrozov moment!

asciilifeform: and yes it took asciilifeform coupla passes for it to click.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868790 << speaking of, hey Mocky what ever came of the camelridin' bitcointraders ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 13:42 diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else

diana_coman: in other lol: I guess I can claim that I got here the youngest log reader - the child reads a tid-bit of it ~every time he comes by for anything, even though he struggles on some words ("etc?"); makes for a very good example: yes, you CAN read but you still have a pile of stuff to figure out before it makes any sense

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868800 << amusingly enough i was complaining a few days ago (to a disbelieving audience) that my white beard patch is fading out. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 15:39 asciilifeform: ( we're roughly where we were 1wk ago, if with a coupla new grey hairs )

mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should see nicole keks. has a notebook with things to ask me "when it's a good time". ☟︎

mod6: Hello, young log reader. Listen to your mom, she knows what she's talking about.

BingoBoingo: Actual Security Update: November 26th through December 3rd, there will likely be about 400 USG tending to assorted support aircraft in Carrasco for the G20 summit across the river in Buenos Aires.

Mocky: mircea_popescu, there's a "gulf blockchain foundation" meet up in three days I'm going to. two speaks giving talks then mingle time: "Governance: DAOs and traditional governance" and "Proof of scam: Drawing the line between the good and the bad"

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On a typical day they tend to stay in their compound in Barrio Sur (el barrio afrodescendiente)

Mocky: in terms of actual traders, the guy actually trading on localbitcoins pulled his ad. So I posted my own ad up. It's been up for some time now, more than a week i think. no locals contacted me yet

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ack

mircea_popescu: Mocky i thought you were specifically going to sell btc to one, buy from the other or somesuch

a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 18:26 mircea_popescu: ah don't be silly, use the dime.

Mocky: i can still buy btc from the one guy, presumably. but the other guy pulled his ad before I got the coin into my account there

mircea_popescu: i'd expect the "sell btc" guy in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864522 vein, not really worth it. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:52 Mocky: i get the impression from other talks (not today) that there is no end of "i have great biz idea for importing from my home country india" being pitched

Mocky: he still has the same number of trades (12) as when i first spied him in sept.

mircea_popescu: Mocky iirc luxemburg is where the actuial site owner lives. ie, moar of the same "silk road major drug dealer, dork in charge has to buy the lb of coke on his own cuz site is such major"

mircea_popescu: Mocky so are you gonna tell the "Daos" dorks how lulzy they are, what a republic is, and how it's been wearing them for dick ornaments this entire time ?

mircea_popescu: that way we could end up with a bunch of gay-for-convenience indian dudes in skinny jeans tryna import their handicrafts into here, too!

mircea_popescu: srsly tho, get the photog hussy to film you during, livestream it... tom green's suddenly got nothing on you.

Mocky: she's not speaking to me anymore. i've got a few days to get one of these other chicks to do it tho

mircea_popescu: what was the problem, she expected a tip you didn't provide, as far as you know ?

BingoBoingo: I suspect combination of advanced age dementia leading to a misperception of local cock availability

Mocky: no idea, but given the excess mass, i don't think any cock is on the table

BingoBoingo: Ah, she knows she's in the Nigerian's league

Mocky: the 75/25 male female ratio is actually a lot worse than that, given how locked down a lot of the domestic female workers are

Mocky: not allowed to leave house but one day a week, even then with cerfew

Mocky: what would be considered a normal rate for an hour with a whore? i don't know anything about how things are elsewhere

mircea_popescu: but anyway, blowjob in the bushes is traditionally deemed 20 bucks, though it varies, in rural areas with old whores it's a ciggarette or w/e.

Mocky: the fun thing is, like any salesman they *have* to talk to you and answer your questions if they think you'll buy

mircea_popescu: dreamy-eyed "students" are, today as in the time of francois villon, whatever you can spare.

Mocky: well i don't know but they don't tell me to fuck off, no matter how much i ask them but never agree to pay

Mocky: 20 something attractive white euros 500 / hr and wont negotiate down

asciilifeform: seems like 'price for rube', but then again i am not subjexpert

mircea_popescu: keks. well, one doesn't traditionally buy whores by getting fixated on a particular one.

Mocky: the price for rich oil duded swimming in the worlds densest sausage party

mircea_popescu: will come out wayu the fuck cheaper than marriage, that's for damn sure.

mircea_popescu: do they have pimps btw ? or is it a case of bureaucracy pimping the girls

Mocky: the hotels do. hotels need a way to distance themselves from the occasionaly law enforcement, scapegoat

Mocky: one hotel has chineese only hookers, which... who wants this lol. but someone must be buying

asciilifeform: then would expect would be cheaper ( supposing errybody concurs )

mircea_popescu: in an ideal world of perfect women. but no, irl it won't be.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868864 -> heh, I can quite easily picture it, yes; fwiw though I think there IS some clear improvement in her summaries ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 16:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should see nicole keks. has a notebook with things to ask me "when it's a good time".

diana_coman: basically they tend to sound less like "automated result of syntactical analysis " and a bit more like some sort of summary: this and this and that were apparently the topics

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ news : wire processor informs me that they've a HUGE backlog of usd-to-ourside-reich transfers, and they're barely trickling out. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it would seem the moloch is experiencing the early phase of a liquidity crunch.

mircea_popescu: they say it may take as much as FIVE WEEKS to get you your dough. now -- you wanna wait ? you wanna explore maybe euros ? you wanna call it off ?

mircea_popescu: i don't expect this is optional, ~everyone~ has the exact same problem.

mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, will be familiar to 1980s1990s east euro folk ; and yes i expect that experience's exactly the guide, ie, will get more frequent, ampler and longer lasted as time goes by.

asciilifeform: ( it still aint clear to me why 'otc' is such parched desert )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if worst comes to worst, next time someone does a supply run they fly copa like sane people, and ima have someone meet them in panama with brown paper bag.

asciilifeform: and iirc BingoBoingo has bank , can transmute paper bag into what dc eats.

asciilifeform: erry so often, i see spamola that cannot be explained any other way (e.g. for some vacuum-moulding shop in milwaukee etc )

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, 'Buffett Loses Nearly $4 Billion as Apple Stock Tanks'

asciilifeform: '"I do not focus on the sales in the next quarter or the next year," he said in August. "I focus on the ... hundreds, hundreds, hundreds millions of people who practically live their lives by it [iPhone]." He also called the iPhone "enormously underpriced," saying that it's worth far more than the $1,000 Apple charges for its latest models.'

mircea_popescu: i don't get it, dude "didn't understand technology", bought wrigley. is the idea apple phone spits out wrigley spearmint flavour ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for extra lulz, they released yet another $1-2k 'no headphone port, and here buy new power cord' box the other day

asciilifeform: ( they even got various trad desktop shitware ported to it, e.g. photoshop, positioning as 'you dun need computer no moar' )

mircea_popescu: "here, have a shitbox. you don't need real computer anyway"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: indeed. the other day was entry of i-nintendo into 'pro' market, as i understand. new turn of frog boiler knob.

asciilifeform: ( current crapple doctrine, is that the mac is too much like an actual comp, too easily massaged into at least installing non-crappla apps )

diana_coman: or possibly the idea is that apple phones are indeed extremely similar to chewing gum

asciilifeform: diana_coman: moar like plasti-car, quasi-mandatory 'installment plan' chump-artifact

diana_coman: imagine the chewing-phone! and lasting about one day max, perfect

asciilifeform: diana_coman: laugh, but it's nearly come; most of the users already have the 'subscription', they break'em regularly and get mailed new

mircea_popescu: seems to me like the empire-of-can't-pay-outside-obligations is moving into a soviet outfit. got plasticar, plastiphone, plastifastfood and on your way.

asciilifeform: ( i fughet how often they can break and get 'at no cost!111' new )

mircea_popescu: the time to get out was, evidently, back when this was first discussed.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's actually a return to 'vhs era' barbarism, prior to at&t breakup they also leased pnoje , could not buy )

mircea_popescu: but asciilifeform "couldn't", then. and i guess we're going to terribly regret not sending in fucking helicopters to extract him from the concentration camp he ended up into through stubbornly refusing to fucking leave on his own two feet for a decade.

asciilifeform: [ insert the mandatory ' if asciilifeform knew useful trades ' thread here ]

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and iirc BingoBoingo has bank , can transmute paper bag into what dc eats. << Definitely can be done

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they say it may take as much as FIVE WEEKS to get you your dough. now -- you wanna wait ? you wanna explore maybe euros ? you wanna call it off ? << I'll think about it a bit more. I'll double check the math, but if the transfer is 5 weeks out that still leaves us a margin of safety from the month of guarentee put up when service started.

BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes asciilifeform

mod6: I'd say just let his 9.5k ride, we'll get it eventually. meanwhile, I think we need another 2k. maybe jurov wants to put up an auction?

asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz, 'gmail' ( now 'upgraded' ) nao takes longer to load than winblowz email client asciilifeform used in mid-1990s did

asciilifeform still occasionally uses email, does not have a stable of meatbots that'd allow him to pretend not to

trinque: asciilifeform: I shamelessly use emacs as interface to just about every heathen thing (gmail included) I have to touch ☟︎

trinque: mu4e is probably the best email interface I've used, can shred an inbox of 100s in a few minutes

BingoBoingo: trinque: I suspect they may have killed imap/pop3 login to fetch mail