mircea_popescu: holy hell, there's a lot of these from argentina, who even knew.
mircea_popescu: and i'm starting to suspect i didn't even bother mentioning the exact case or something, cuz they were too many ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 16:17:56 mircea_popescu: hey hanbot where on trilema is that piece re the argentine retards with ~same problem ?
mircea_popescu: well... i aint going diging through the story of argentina, i'll just get pissed off. fucking morons.
hanbot: i was gonna say, could grep "argentines" and spend a while getting enraged...lol
mircea_popescu: let's put i this way : universally and without exception the most abject of all humans are children. this is what "retard" addresses : a state of abject misery that ~IS EXCUSED~ in children because nature imposes ; but ONLY IN CHILDREN YOUNG ENOUGH. as thy age -- no longer excused.
mircea_popescu: now, for their sins, women are born with special glands, supporting the evolution of children away from the abjection they were born in.
mircea_popescu: some of these glands are physically found on their chests. the males -- also have, vestigial version, because you know, evoloved-not-engineered, was cheaper that way.
mircea_popescu: THERE ARE MORE SUCH GLANDS. women have the tolerant, cvasi bovine capacity to talk to small children.
mircea_popescu: men, also have some kind of vestigial this. the practice of its use is called "education"
mircea_popescu: like with all cancers, environmental toxin exposure is a major risk. so you could say he got education gland cancer from living in pollution.
diana_coman: lolz, I have yet to see bovines talking to children.
mircea_popescu: cvasi-bovine because like the ox will plow the field, so will the woman repeat all the words in the dictionary fifty times, so they kid can learn them
mircea_popescu: my systematically dismissive "you don;t know X, go read up on it" works on... well, undergrads. in junior high however, the style's inadequate.
mircea_popescu: what's needed in jr high is "i told you yesterday, and i'm telling you today, and i will tell you until you learn it : the panties AFTER the garter belt ; the garter belt BEFORe the panties".
mircea_popescu: and it has to be done ~calmly~. otherwise the kids go mad.
diana_coman: uhm; do you basically say that junior high "learning" is simply circus-like training and trainers are by nature cvasi-bovine (or otherwise ineffectual)?
mircea_popescu: yes, i suppose that's what i'm saying : that children are by their nature closer to animals than people ; and that the people taking them across perforce spend their time dealing with animals, and therefore they'll be covered in shit.
mircea_popescu: however they manage to survive this trauma, by "Seeing past it" or "tolerating it well" or whatever -- the impression they'll make is "of someone who doesn't mind the shit so much".
diana_coman: well, I don't know really; for one thing the "impression they make" is really a matter of the viewer and his impression so sure, it's consistent with one lens so why not, certainly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, seems the best possible construction available.
diana_coman: for the other, I don't know that they learn just because they heard it enough times; it might be that they need to hear it several times, yes, but they would just the same if they simply encountered it that many times
mircea_popescu: i doubt it. honestly, i think the breast is an exceptionally illustrative parallel. obviously, not all children will thrive if breastfed ; and obviously "could thrive if just found milk in environment"
mircea_popescu: but these seem rather theoretical constructs than practical considerations. as a factual matter, there's signifciant interplay between the child and the breast.
mircea_popescu: breastfeeding drives a lot of immunity response, for instance. this is no small matter, if one looks at things by complexity rather than by some abbreviated "works for me" criteria.
mircea_popescu: afaik the "woman and man are different, for the former bone exists as calcium warehouse, for the latter bone exists as muscle leverage" is not even controversial.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes; what I don't see is junior high learning ~= baby level
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i used the junior high as the outer bounds of "baby"
diana_coman: sure, it's not just the repetition ie "it would be enough if a machine repeated it on a loop"
mircea_popescu: and "undergraduate" as the inner bounds of "adult" or w/e it is the traditional university approach to work.
mircea_popescu: ah yes, repetition per se definitely not even remotely it.
mircea_popescu: children are (often infuriatingly, generally
disavowedly) quite as capable as adults to disentangle emotional cues.
diana_coman: the core of it as I see it (and matching btw the breast + gender difference) is that they are not yet able to act independently (in this case: independent learning , hence yes, if you just send them to read, it won't do much)
diana_coman: but dunno, are you calling *all* giving support cvasi-bovine?
mircea_popescu: yes, we could say the brain's not yet structured enough to self manage all that well, recursion drops quickly.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-04-07 14:24:31 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, has little to do with the support ; all activity that proceeds irrespective of results is what the ox does.
diana_coman: uhm; I suppose I don't see this irrespective of results; fwiw, not even breast "proceeds irrespective of results" if you think that it adapts supply if nothing else
diana_coman: well yeah, it actually comes with a lot of "if x then y" but the supply is just the most obvious & well documented.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is veering towards a discussion of mastitis...
mircea_popescu: but i also suppose perhaps implicit negative connotation associated to the animal's involved.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, because they earn to derealize. there's little more real than the ox.
mircea_popescu: in any case : it is notoriously difficult to evaluate small children ; and eminently unwise, evaluation should start later. someone's gotta feed all the children until old enough to be killed or not.
mircea_popescu: the capacity to do this exists in humans necessarily ; like any capacity it is also capable of dysfunction as part and parcel of being capable of function.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "whisperers" historical idiocy : woman is known as le Bel Ange Nu, supposedly because went about ~naked. no fucking paintings survive documenting the theory. idiots.
lobbes: holy shit, those were some beautiful shots spyked
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, WAPO ran a piece this week celebrating "How much funnier we have become." The cancerous faggot held up 70's socialist propaganda "Sesame Street" as his straw puppets.
mircea_popescu: eh you kidding me, 3rd rate corporate orientation videos of the 90s were funnier than that netflix special
mircea_popescu: whatever, the pravda's coming up next with "how much prosperouser we have become", to match the history of soviet decay exactly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhike * * * "GET /2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/ HTTP/1.1" 200 185133 "
https://twitter.com/@dan_pantera" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0"
mircea_popescu: they are eminently forgettable, so perhaps i just forgot avout it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-18 15:28:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, WAPO ran a piece this week celebrating "How much funnier we have become." The cancerous faggot held up 70's socialist propaganda "Sesame Street" as his straw puppets.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-08-08 10:17:37 asciilifeform: based, of course, on the famous 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселей!' (tm)(r)(stalin)
diana_coman: apparently mountain_billy is billymg , travelling and away from terminal
mircea_popescu also never realised before that billymg actually stands for "Billy, Mountain Goat".
diana_coman: :D I was thinking mountain_goat all the time