diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
mp_en_viaje: o wait, it was given as such. wtf, archive.is is retarded, can't find it by search ?
mp_en_viaje: ooooh i see, dns is down, page saved by i see , i see. doh.
mp_en_viaje: "I volunteered for the Uruguay mission to save Qntra" << i remember that part
mp_en_viaje: "the body of work I have written for Qntra" << it is pretty fucking good. i usually read it as it comes out ; but it IS news, so i also read it
like i read news, six months to a year+ later.
mp_en_viaje: i can say definitely that outside of ancient newspapers of very narrow scholarly interest
eg and REALLY old versions of europapers (
eg) nothing reads even remotely as well as qntra.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2014-02-12 03:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm waiting for the day when one becomes vragnaroda for owning a collection of unexpurgated kvant
mp_en_viaje: the terseness is a restrospectively evident winning principle ; and your handling of the labels-and-references indirection layers just fine.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 03:37:23 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, i tell you i don't comprehend this defective approach, as seen in "I don't know if I can continue to make camp in Uruguay on Qntra alone or in combination with the local economy of faltas. Maybe I breed rabbits" and elsewhere.
mp_en_viaje: so, you take job running isp, have some time there, do not spend that time to acquire the things someone running isp has and you do not. then later, you're doing whatever it is you're doing for pizarro, it's not clear to me (or, i suspect, to them), but you don't actually acquire ~any~ kind of skills involved.
mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced, seasoned dc technician. i was waiting for the word "pcap" to come out of you, as a token show of even having a clue what the fuck this all is -- zilch.
mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
mp_en_viaje: you dropped your life to move there, physically, yes. the distance is good, the environment stable, all the conceivable prerequisites for undisturbed, uninterrupted study in place. but have you studied ? what have you studied ?
mp_en_viaje: the days seem to pass like for women, as if the passage itself is a gain alone, as if some kind of implicitly valuable thing is growing in your viscera by itself, in the dark, unknown and incomprehensible, allthewhile all you have to do is keep stuffing food down one end of a digestive tube and evacuate out the other at regular enough intervals -- mariahilf will provide for the rest, for all the rest.
mp_en_viaje: are you pregnant with pizarro, is that the idea ? it's not gonna happen by itself, you know, it has to be ~made~. built, like a thing, product of ~man~'s industry, out of all the parts, individually, each made correctly and exact, all put together as is proper. interesting things are never born, they're always ~made~.
mp_en_viaje: if tomorrow republic declared you a gunsmith, would you put up a shingle reading TMSR Gunsmith and then sit indoors in the dark until kicked out ?
meditating, maybe ?
mp_en_viaje: for things to exist they have to be made. for things to be made you must know what things there are and how they are made.
mp_en_viaje: did you build yourself the list of all the parts of the thing, and then the complete details of each and every single one of them, that ever historically existed, and the practical dexterities of making them all and so on ?
mp_en_viaje: did you spend your time poring over "how does networking work ?" "what is connectivity ?" how many dc maps did you review, how many dc people did you talk to and what about, did you bother to learn the global connectivity map by heart, just as a fuckyou to the darkness, "look, i can trace all the main lines people spent millions / meter to even lay in the first place, you can't even draw the fucking planisphere and i can dra
mp_en_viaje: w it with the threads of connectivity, because you're not fit to be a citizen of the 1950s when they put the man on the moon and i belong, i firmly and substantially belong in the 2000s, when we have undersea cables" ?
mp_en_viaje: if i show you that indeed peering arrangements are trivially reviewable over the internet you then apply it, that's fine, but why do I have to show you, you were there for all these years and never did it occur to you to look ? why not ? you did not know dcs peer, for instance ? it never occured to you that they must ? why not ? what's needed, other than me showing you specifically, for it to occur ?
mp_en_viaje: there's ten thousand details, just like that, and you can eat or try to eat or byte or whatever a few each day, and more each week, and then week after week after week you eat the whole thing. this is how the world was built, because no part of it was yet borne by woman, all was built, by men, laying brick on brick and rivet on rail and each and every part individually without exception all the way from the bottom to the ver
mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "
surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say mean, hurtfu
mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and then he's stuc
mp_en_viaje: k for another however long with some incomprehensible thing he's really trying to insulate his own identity from.
mp_en_viaje: if you don't study and practice to be a manager, you will never be one, except in contexts such as "a disappointing manager". if you don't study and practice to be a dc tech, you will never be one either. nothing you will be, unless you study and practice that thing, and these are not idle words, they're day after day and hour after hour ~actual~ activity.
mp_en_viaje: so you're going to... raise rabits ? what possible sense can this fucking make, it's this concept of the failure personified, instead of raising above the minimum bar you plan to entrench it as an insuperable maximum ?
mp_en_viaje: is this some kind of failure worship, you get a scholarship to go to university, do not meaningfully show up to any class, then when they come to evict you from your dorm room you "figure out a way" to hang a rainproof sheet from the fire hydrant, "make yourself a shelter", "hey, it's a skill also" ?
mp_en_viaje: it's not a fucking skill, surviving through ad-hocisms is not manly. it's the exact equivalent of becoming a transvestite, except not bothering with the exterior aspect of the matter, a woman trapped in a man's body slightly differently than the twinks.
mp_en_viaje: you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?!
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: anyways, im traveling today, so shall bbl.
mp_en_viaje is en route to linz no less. all hail modern technology.
mp_en_viaje: i can follow along with the man, "hey, restoration comedy as a vehicle for the trade in meats, yet another-eth attempt at selling whatever young cunt's hips, thigs, waist and tits under the flimsy pretext & distraction of "being" moll whatever is outstandingly uninteresting
mp_en_viaje: it is, i'm with him. there;s also no need to keep pretending "new titles" for porn films. you need... i dunno, mAAAAybe a few dozen,
pre-given and fixed forever ; then keep re-shooting them ~as such~ every time there's a new cunt comes off the highschool benches juicy enough to justify the effort.
mp_en_viaje: which yes, liberates threatre itself from the directly munane requirements of the trade in meats. if you want to get a better price for the prize heifer you raised, get her a "leaked tape", don't try and put her in a play. alright, all good.
mp_en_viaje: then he moves on to point out that the only source of interest is... encounters. meeting. "what if newton knew charles ?" is the mother of all theatre. i can see this, it makes perfect sense, and it's the exact sort of stroke of utter genius that makes shaw have a name in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: oedipus rex is nothing else and naught besides "what if jocasta met oedipus". that they coincidentally did meet, whereas newton and charles coincidentally didn't meet is irrelevant. it's the lot of the greeks to only write a bout encounters that took place, through lack of correct numeration system to permit them egress from their simple naivity. but we have better representation systems, so we can write better thestre.
mp_en_viaje: "and then," he follows, "george fox was great".
mp_en_viaje: as a factual matter, george fox was an offensive good for nothing know it all whose memory is not wort hpissing on.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN, to balance out the political unbearable idiocy, he wants to also add an artist.
mp_en_viaje: fucking hogwash, of "a rake's progress" and "marriage a la mode" fame.
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker, is this thing written by bowdler himself or what the fuck ?!
mp_en_viaje: then his idea of showing just how brilliant newton is, is to add logarithms to do multiplications and to tell some eager barrista her lifetime in seconds. because TOTALLY, this is exactly NOT historical newton, but an insulting parody made by the illiterate, with no fucking point of contact ewith actual reality besides the name.
mp_en_viaje: if newton was dumb enoguh to approach 3*7 via log and "antilog", he'd never have been "known by the claw", because no fucking claw here. in point of fact, the man was specificaslly famous for NOT doing the equivalent of the log detour, in situations where nobodyu else knew the direct route.
mp_en_viaje: and then, inverosimilously, his housekeeper, who memorized 3*6 and 3*8 as such, as pure symbols, "why 2 schillings and not 9 glubghsh?" does not know 21. because what the fuck, she's only been doing this for decades and it just didn't stick in her mind. she's a 6yo 50yo very respecable moron.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN charles is this guy who;s gonna pick up any maid he sees, because totally.
mp_en_viaje: i fail to see the difference between this shaw and yesterdays moron with the vasectomized real men. i do. it's not fucking present
mp_en_viaje: i've over the years reviewed a lot of widely distant grant proposals and then deliveries on those proposals ; but shaw's play here discussed is by very far the most disjunct. i feel defrauded.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN he has newton go into fucking monologue, like wanna-be shakespeare, "oh i am so and forth and my parents and my curse", what is he, fucking bastiano ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:08:16 mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "
surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:13 mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and the
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
diana_coman: it's been unreachable since yesterday evening (or at least that's when I checked and found out nope)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: tbh that's the mind-boggling thing ie what exactly are/were latech doing; and I'd say BingoBoingo_ goes there with a flamethrower and doesn't leave until he finds out.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: can you actually talk directly to anyone there and find out exactly, specifically, concretely just *what* they have been doing, step by step, since Friday attack-time until now?
diana_coman: because so far from the info coming out they have been doing just one thing, namely nullrouting your IPs and precisely nothing else.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Phone call this morning, waiting on a call back
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: did they not even answer or why call back
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Someone is in a meeting/wants to talk to me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lower bipeds on pyramid of pretense in glass box
diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are either in the freezone nearby or aguada park on the other side of time
BingoBoingo: But we do have Oscars: "We are working on that with the ISP. As soon as we get the information we will send you." showing they in all likelyhood don't know what pcap is
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The freezone office is door, behind a couple doors I don't have keys too
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
lobbes: The second chunk, which includes the searching and pingbacks portion, I am not sure yet.
lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I have pressed only to active_disconnect, not further
lobbes: asciilifeform: roger that. I've yet to deploy latest patch anyways, so this'll work out
lobbes: in that case I will deploy detect_disconnect tonight methinks. The mp-wp bot will probably end up forking from this point in the logotron tree as well
lobbes: asciilifeform: aha, I did notice it detected the disconnects like a champ
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941363 << could be insect (def. buggy here much like asciilifeform-istan). Though there are no visible 'bumps' that would indicate a bite. I've been prone to "styes" before as well, but in this case it is a more uniform swelling of the entire lid vs a stye which tends to be focused on one area.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 16:15:02 diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
lobbes: Though, now that I think of it, I may have just inadvertently scratched the inside of my eyelid the other day while rubbing it; irritation seemed to begin after that event. I'll let it alone and give it until tomorrow in any case before seeing doctor (perhaps save some time/money this way)
lobbes back to saeculum for a spell
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Back. I went to the freezone office, persisted at Latecho's intercom lock long enough to discover Maximiliano and Oscar together in the Tower 4 datacenter which houses our rack. Unlike the couple times last night where I visited a cool datacenter, it was hot and loud with the noise of angry fans. They declared that this isn't normal and that they had tried a routine "maneuver" with the air conditioners which failed. After
BingoBoingo: they washed their hands we proceeded the quieter coffee shop one floor up for the breaking of the balls. On the way up I mentioned how a client's other datacenter in "third world moldavia" managed to sent .pcaps and detailed information. I was told the files they have are not .pcaps but "huge", I told them I want them anyways, that more than anything I need all the information because 'this first week of October has already settled that
BingoBoingo: there will be zero nines of uptime for October.' That point kept being repeated... (coffee shop continuation next message)
BingoBoingo: I paid for my own coffe drink called a 'lagrima' in cash and waited as they fiddled with the Pasawar Intl billing information to order their drinks. Oscar did seem inclined to forward information, but Maximiliano, like his predecessor Rodrigo interjected a couple times that he wants the information passed when "the situation is resolved". Each of these interjections was answered with "I am running a business" and repetition of the point
BingoBoingo: that there will be no nines of uptime this month. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
BingoBoingo: only other non-Antel option they could have pursued in country is Telefonica/Movistar. Maxi boy appeared legitimately shocked when I pointed out Telefonica was shopping their Uruguay operation Pretrobras style and looking for an exit. Maximiliano said he was unfamiliar with that news. He his face contorted like an injured child's when I told him the news was in the local papers recently (there's more)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am submitting this testimony as I recollect it while it is fresh.
BingoBoingo: They did mention they and dedicado were looking into "Arbor", this suggest that they googled DDoS mitigation. Maxi offered 1 MONTH as the timeframe to implement a reasonably stable solution other than blackholing. I responded that if that is the case, I am going to need ALL the information and I am going to need it now. There were deflections to Century Link and the wait there, and I responded with CenturyLink's notoriously poor
BingoBoingo: customer service and that their ASN's BGP declares Pasawar Intl peers with Antel. When pressed on what would happen if this was Antel I received a lot of "I dunno" and head hanging. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: At one point they did ask IF I HAD ANY INFORMATION! I responded no. I received no ransom notes or anything that suggests an attack. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: After leaving with Oscar's assurance informaiton will be sent and with the final request that I do receive everything, I swung by Tienda Inglesa and bought a hand truck because I'll probably need one. I arrived back at the desk to see one email from Maxi asking if I could send him my phone number again because my Movistar Uruguay phone number doesn't appear to be a Uruguay phone number. I have yet to receive a datadump or link to a data
BingoBoingo: dump from Oscar. (now to answer asciilifeform's first question in as much detail and context as I can)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:22:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just as concerning as the Airconditioner fuckup is who was addressing it. When you were here, you met Joaquim who is(was?) the guy in the glass box. He did glass box stuff. I have no earthly idea why Maxi the sales manager and Oscar the Telecom manager were THE PEOPLE to be fucking with the air conditioners.
BingoBoingo: There was a poor miserable looking girl in the glass box as a the receptionist.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maximillian is the sales manager.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 20:27:07 mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud.
BingoBoingo: I suspect Latecho's situation degraded substantially and recently within the past month. It appears the folks who could run things quit or were chased out. Despite a recently installed giant multirack cage I assume is some streaming cache in the datacenter, Latecho does not appear healthy.
BingoBoingo: And yes, It appears it is time to start shopping the case for litigation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Recently it filled up big. Someone put in a huged controlled access fence taking up 1 new aisle of Tower 4 and their racks are full. But yes I suspect they may be bankrupt/insolvent.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:13:29 diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am ready to get rolling on 2-3. I suspect the target of 1 is in hiding. The contract was on the table as we discussed at the coffee shop. They looked at it and apeared to recognize what it was. I did not reference it or its text, but it was visible.
BingoBoingo: Before I get rolling on that I do want to address something up log.
BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941319 << I didn't manage to find the Trilema I wanted to link on that point. In the line I wanted to link you said something to the point of "raise rabbits, or do anything", I intend to litigate the Latecho issue, get more involved in National Party politics, etc. I wanted to honestly capture the despair my failure wrought on myself for myself and to read myself. And I feel less pregnant and more
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:12 mp_en_viaje: you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?!
BingoBoingo: married with respect to Pizarro. Yes I can see my approach as defective. I may need to do remedial work in Diana's schoolhouse.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect mp may have something useful to weight in with respect to knocking on chairman's door with contract first, or knocking on chairman's door with service papers first.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do not know how wise it is to tip the litigation hand and giving them warning.
BingoBoingo: Warning with which they could use to rush their probably inevitable bankruptcy filing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are, they are not sharing information in line with the industry standards they are expected to perform to, and we need to extract compensation from them from which to build euro-ISP or whatever.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They run fiber to the DC, but radio is what they provide to consumers and small businesses in remote areas.
BingoBoingo: I would like to spend the rest of this afternoon productively setting up lawyer auditions with my copy of the contract and the local Código de Commercio
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
BingoBoingo: I am too dumbfounded by what I heard today to believe any hard won minutes of uptime is going to be more revealing than working to begin litigation and forcing them to divulge in court.
BingoBoingo: Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands.
BingoBoingo: All of them doing TCP SYN without getting my dumps requested in person ours ago.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then we recoup value for yourself and mod6 from which to sprinboard next thing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite. I'm going to give my mind digest and re-read time and then head out to knock on a couple doors to see who is hungry.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am going to be headed in the datacenter direction. Will make sure nothing's on fire and rescue those irreplaceables.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: About to head out the door. Orders have been issued to the Venezolanas to probe their networks for independent abogado/as with a manner uncommonly agressive for Uruguay with time to dedicate to a case pursuing maximum damages under the comemrcial and criminal codes for selling a faulty product advertised as first class for which just under 3000 USD a month has been paid the past 21 months. Going now to knock on a few
BingoBoingo: I want blood. You want blood. It's time to find some vampires to expedite the harvest. Morcilla is on the menu.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
mp_en_viaje: my whore spent a day crying in linz station. she'd also have penned a piece, who knows, mayhap master reads ? but, blog unavailable.
mp_en_viaje: by now the pile of fucked things is pretty consistent.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:41:27 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
mp_en_viaje: i dunno such detection happened, dude was asked weird q, sent over a capture, "closest item to what you ask for". at least was my read.
mp_en_viaje: i did ~same, discussed as such, last night.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "
surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
mp_en_viaje: in my book you were the boss, he worked for you.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:05:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:28:56 mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo!
mp_en_viaje: i guess i've not been paying close enough attention to this then.
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-13 22:36:05 mircea_popescu: 2.
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh
mp_en_viaje: nfi why i ended up with the idea he worked for you.
mp_en_viaje: aite, well. evidently i wasn't watching all that closely. good there's a record.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
mp_en_viaje: so basically bingo was manager since last year, quietly "managed" "as best could", namely...
mp_en_viaje: you know, something is starting to come into focus. basically, republic is very effectual slut shredder. it massively attracts this sort of pleaser, who really really wants to be good. and then... ends up with tasks. and the tasks are... well... not actually designed, but simply what needs to be done. and sooner or later but sure as you'd like, the poor slut is on [
http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drei-hacken-36-56 mp_en_viaje: fundamental problem with any attempt at management is that you either discuss failure, or else BECOME failure. it's inescapable.
mp_en_viaje: but slut never wants to delineate failure, because in part well hammered into skull that "this isn't what pleasing is" through social milieu of ~shit ; and in part because just comes naturally.
mp_en_viaje: mix these two together, get things like we see.
mp_en_viaje: eh, anyone's entitled to a day of thinking thinks through, what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:32 asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
mp_en_viaje: it's really no great philosophy to put out something like that, can prolly be done on ~free by finding say a weak pw wifi
mp_en_viaje: in fact, by this standard trilema can leisurely ddos whoever the fuck.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:57 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
mp_en_viaje: o wait, my plaintext ip address is being ddosed!!!
mp_en_viaje: i had just loaded a webpage and got excited.
mp_en_viaje: well, here's the secret : usually 0-ips aren't allocated, because... umm... people run loggers and things on those.
mp_en_viaje: so... yeah, whatever, if you operate your own ip space you should always have the damned thing at the ready.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:15:33 asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, afaik usually set to headers only, and yeah generally not ssd but spinners set for it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:16:36 asciilifeform: or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?!
mp_en_viaje: now divide the slut herd by two, add one for me, multiply result by whatever eur:usd is these days and... there you go.
mp_en_viaje: well, i don't sleep with the womenz, for one thing.
mp_en_viaje: but be all that as it may -- while certainly a respectable sum, by any measure, maxint it is not.
mp_en_viaje: not that it should be or anything. but hysteria self-lathering also doesn't help anything, how shall i put this, tryna walk the line here.
mp_en_viaje: yes, you definitely should receive value for money.
mp_en_viaje: so, to circle back to it : it is conceivable that management may not immediately drop anything and cook a pot roast for you at their family home.
mp_en_viaje: that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either.
mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a
terrible deal.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i am at no juncture proposing that you shouldn't get what you paid for. i am however disputing the somewhat ill considered view whereby the reasonable escalation for your sandwich coming out wrong is
calling the cops.
mp_en_viaje: i seem to remember lawyer was on the original list of requisites he didn't get, back in the day. understand how this works : either you have ~from before~, or you... well, do not use.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against his trying, but i am encouraging you to moderate your expectations. if he couldn't find legal support when he didn't need it, how likely is it he'll find it now ?
mp_en_viaje: very similar to getting laid : if you couldn't make any female friends in general, how likely is it you'll make some while holding your erection ?
mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
mp_en_viaje: understand something : the very absurdist style of unbounded exaggeration
currently fashionable is quite unhelpful in crisis situations. all it practically does is stress out the crew.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:53:05 mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far
mp_en_viaje: yes, it's bad that pizarro-upstream link is via email through indian call center. but the solution to this bad is not "afterwards, send someone to manager's home, in a clown car". the solution is in the past : should've made better contacts.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, wait, she's the nicer one of us ?!
mp_en_viaje: nor can anyone else log into trilema to upload pics, for that matter.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if i'm getting my point across here.
mp_en_viaje: the former, i read something about maxint, something about flamethrower, then something about ~stalking some randos that don't even know you...
mp_en_viaje: you told him to do three things (incomprehensible, i thought he was the manager) none of which he can safely do or are liable to help anything if done.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, alternatively you could you know, just take a chill pill, keep talking like normal.
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam, but why direct it at him.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:09:47 lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:14:48 lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Bi
BingoBoingo: I am back. Nothing lit on fire. Now for mission report.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:11:00 mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
BingoBoingo: This datacenter mission I did get a chance to talk to Oscar alone. He was more informative without Maxi present. Pressed on whether Joaquim and other named folks I was acustomed to dealing with were still employed by Latecho he responded in the negative. Oscar also showed me his whatsapp conversations where he was begging with upstream folks. This supports the morning's hypothesis Latecho recently decerebrated while installing a bunch
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 17:21:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:05:45 mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a
terrible deal.
mp_en_viaje: in principle, there's strictly no defense from "partner sold out to sysco, new "careerwoman" dumb cunt installed in charge of it wrecked it". hapened to hp, can happen to you.
mp_en_viaje: for as long as usg.dubaloo still deemed money, such nonsense can occur.
BingoBoingo: ISPddOs aside, Latecho does not appear to be anywhere near as healthy as they were when I arrived. The sales manager was on airconditioner duty. I strongly suspect the Freezone conversation happened through the intercom because they didn't want to reveal their falta de recursos humanos.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:53:03 asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
BingoBoingo: Their problems seem to go beyond their ability to serve us.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:57:58 asciilifeform: it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:07:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
mp_en_viaje: the majority of the leverage there was the public shaming ; if ~bankrupt that's not much leverage.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:21:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
BingoBoingo: The courts here do handle evictions far more quickly than across the river. Other than the former tax shelter reasons Argentines prefer property ownership in Uruguay because the courts do move (speed may vary when a Soviet monopoly is involved). Following some sit downs I hope to have a better picture on the chance to recover something, but I do want redundancy here. I've learned at least that much.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the roadmap asciilifeform paints (sue in uy, win, actually get paid, use proceeds to produce euro isp) is unlikely, if nothing else then because dockets routinely run multi-month in civil court, appeals are common, expense while not maxint also not trivial, and failure to pay civil judgements in corporate world a regular occurence.
BingoBoingo: Based on the new enclosed aisle, I suspect there is the possibility there aren't entirely bankrupt. They may be ineptly pivoting to dumb provision of space for local heathen caches.
mp_en_viaje: i entirely see no problem with you continuiong on this course, as a training exercise, for you. i do not have the expectation it will make money, your case is not actually that strong.
mp_en_viaje: "your honor, we rented a fucktoy" "when ?" "two years ago" "and ?" "last month it sprung a leak" turns to other party, "what do you have to say ?" "fuck them" turns back to you "okay... and what do you want ?" "we want money" "how's last month's sound ?" "umm" "so ordered"
mp_en_viaje: at his point you have a civil judgement worth what was it, TWO nights hotel stay, and whatever legal fees. and now have to get it fulfilled, will need to find an executor or w/e, sheriff.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I planned to drink to death, I wouldn't have done a moral inventory last night.
mp_en_viaje: no argument, if you know all the tricks of the trade six months down the road yo ucan sit down to a juicy aged angus steak out of their money.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you have to read more commercial contracts.
mp_en_viaje: if fire in hotel burns down my stashes of euros in the hotel safe, they're not liable.
mp_en_viaje: notwithstanding its their fucking safe for the express purpose etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, people who drink to death rarely plan to.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I am familiar with that as well.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the reason i mentioned that yest was as a pressure tactic, not as a revenue generator.
mp_en_viaje: it doesn't seem, taking BingoBoingo 's description at face value, that pressure's likely to deliver much.
mp_en_viaje: either because indeed, some ustard bought them out, thinking to cut down 90% of expense ie personnel and keep 50% of income by moving away from dc business to netflix cache
mp_en_viaje: or because whatever, owner had aneurysm, looted corp payroll and ran off to hooklandia
mp_en_viaje: or for any other reason -- dead horse will trot no miles.
mp_en_viaje: but in principle this is not actionable, in any practical case not very far, where "i bought milk each day from milk shop" "And ?" "now it wants to sell out, become dildo shop" "so ?" "so wherre do i get my milk ?".
mp_en_viaje: all sort & manner of tards keep trying this tack, resulting in "anti-gentrification" and assorted bla bla, but it is a seed born dead.
mp_en_viaje: seems to me your ips are in fact closed down.
mp_en_viaje: true enough. whic hyes, leaves some room. but it'll not make you significant dough in context.
mp_en_viaje: possibly most important thing right now is to image all customer data.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last bolus went to them early september
mp_en_viaje: because if tomorrow you also can't get into cage, and anyone's not got bakcups, you'll have a much worse problem.
mp_en_viaje: do you have some offsite backup scheme in place, asks mp, fully dreading the obvious "um...." answer.
mp_en_viaje: not like you can't put it back in, at moderate cost
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, not " asciilifeform as asciilifeform ". pizarro as pizarro.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, tonight I will grab user data and databases off of the shared server.
mp_en_viaje: are you deliberately thick or just naturally ?
mp_en_viaje: yes. and you think this is a reason to not do it ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ? << Because it tips the hand. If you want to litigate...
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who the fuck's gonna notice, receptionist girly ?
mp_en_viaje: from your story everyone too busy doing the plumbing with own hands.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: At this hour no one. I will go and grab backups.
mp_en_viaje: why limited ? you could indicate which local houses to burn down from the flamethrowing helisub.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know. Once things are collected I will need a working ftp server somewhere to park customer data GPG tarballs.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:38:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I would like to wait for customer instructions on how they would like their drives handled before pulling everything.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:51:46 BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: At this point I don't see why not.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It looks like they exhausted to the parking garage
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... door propped open with prop
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:39:30 asciilifeform: ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:10:13 asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there << Consumer standup portable A/C
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Bi
mp_en_viaje: understand the weakness in these "still be there" : a month ago, you were complaining pizarro pipe is too stable. these things are always fine until not anymore, and never before.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to set a matter of record straight : it is not ~necessarily~ the case oscar is lying re "dedicado"->centurylink. that's why man on the ground / contacts beats remote in these things. there's half a dozen way the peering data can be fudged into unreliability
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:40:45 BingoBoingo: Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands.
mp_en_viaje: "i went to herpetologist for my snake and my cousin went to hematologist for her blood, and my snake's tooth count came way smaller than her platelets. wtf medicine is a scam"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's deeply unlikely, seeing how... by the same logic your fuckbot was also targetted by same net.
mp_en_viaje: so thousands, 8, 0 ? wtf set of data is this.
mp_en_viaje: is the idea pizarro boxes were hit with 1tb/s for a while ?
mp_en_viaje: do we by "the defense" mean not giving a shit, or do we by "the defense" mean nullrooting ips ?
mp_en_viaje: i recall at least one instance where trilema was down and my defense of not giving a shit for a week or so came remarkably cheap to me.
mp_en_viaje: watrevs, 5 machines dun figure in anything.
mp_en_viaje: the confiscated machines. what, is the idea they cc'd the whole thing ?
mp_en_viaje: not afaik how mirai/any current botnet works.
mp_en_viaje: maybe "people" who key in stuff they read on cca 2002 edition of slashdot /
mp_en_viaje: im talking 2019, post bitcoin-ransoms, post ddos-for-hire etc.
mp_en_viaje: yup, sha(unixtime(hdmy).salt).org for sure.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:44:10 asciilifeform: same i believe goes for smg.
mp_en_viaje: it's all in the logs, not going anywheres anyway
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i imagine most iron is headed for the local reseller, used hw prolly not worth shipping OUT of orcistan
mp_en_viaje: aite, well, instead of going to deliver boxes, can go to... retrieve. make point of showing to customs, "see ? told you it's for fair!"
mp_en_viaje: well muh dear space-admiral & mars mission commandant... it dun seem to be so much a question of what i'd rather. does it.
mp_en_viaje: but i suppose this is not entirely without merit -- diana_coman see next you talk to that guy whether he also colos boxes ?
mp_en_viaje: i'd say "call him over here", but the problem is i'm traveling, can't keep this always on and watched.
mp_en_viaje: well, why not, can send the smg there then i guess.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, see what diana_coman thinks also. what's your idea re phuctor iron ?
mp_en_viaje: that's what i was asking about, rehomed where
mp_en_viaje: maybe bb could move to moldavia, take employment with same lolz
mp_en_viaje: "hi mr. we want to colo these boxes and this son"
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, come to think about it, see if guy is avail for a conf tomorrow morning say 10 to 11 osterreich time ?
mp_en_viaje: it was cheap, had nice wine, and idem girls. possibly still.
mp_en_viaje: when i landed in chisinev, mid 90s, it had just came out as law or somesuch apparently that all cunts must wear miniskirts with pantyhose. dedicated sellers of pantyhose on all street corners and not a single warm blooded xx humanoid in any other garb.
mp_en_viaje: i thought consensus among you two was that pipe's not coming back on. he said "nobody there can turn it back on" and you said "even if they did, i wouldn't trust it"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:31:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:28:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
mp_en_viaje: i have not what to argue with this ; nor any reaso nto argue. seems to me the one remaining thing to protect is the physical machines.
mp_en_viaje: don't tell me "the exact day before ispdos started" ?
mp_en_viaje: i believe it is unwise to build floors atop chairs. usually chairs atop floors.
mod6: asciilifeform: The tbf box in the rack would be nice to be backed up -- I believe, from memory, this is a raid configuration in there. If the drives are pulled and not numbered correctly, probably can't re-create.
mod6: It serves two functions: 1. tbf website, 2. trb node.
mp_en_viaje: be that as it may, "ima try to start isp while these people are waiting to get plugged back in" is like "ima try to build restaurant in front of queue of hungry people". the correct way is to build first and then queue.
mod6: Ah, ok. I can't be certain it is a 3ware. Maybe BB can check inside the box.
mp_en_viaje: mod6, i never ran into this order problem in a raid before ?
mp_en_viaje: (admittedly because back when people did, i didn't need nor could afford such things)
mod6: I'd like to see the whole box backed up, but really, (iirc) the /var partition holds the website data. The node chain is less important.
mod6: mp_en_viaje: Fair enough, I seem to remember this as a problem with striping.. like a RAID 5.
mod6: asciilifeform: that'll suffice. will work with BB as needed.
mod6: asciilifeform: ah, ok, good to know.
mod6: gotta run out for some meat. will be keeping up on logz tho. ttyl.
mp_en_viaje: i guess ima put a node on the new trilemabot machine too, why not.
mp_en_viaje: well i mean, it was lulzy on friday. by the time sunday rolled into monday which is now solidly tuesday as i write this... hypocalcemic syncope is one thing, but if she's not back on her feet by next week...
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't object, but does it do anything/need me to do anything /
mp_en_viaje: not very convenient to fuck with root right now
mp_en_viaje: well, if you didn't move it for pizarro, maybe now to moldavia :D