mp_en_viaje is reading "old" ie early 19th century romanian matter ; whenever has to look up words, discovers the ONLY example usage available is taken from the very text he's working on, often enough the EXACT context. eg, clironomie is, technically, a romanian word (cognate of ϰλιÏουόμος, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say Ï°Î
☟︎ diana_coman: hm, poor as in "only one use for such word" ? perhaps that specific work is in fact available online hence the example usage from it?
jurov: !!v 7B596FFBF5092F02E59A72596D61BFD5202BF95D043F822E76FBE20D87A2FD70
deedbot: jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 11
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 08:52 mp_en_viaje is reading "old" ie early 19th century romanian matter ; whenever has to look up words, discovers the ONLY example usage available is taken from the very text he's working on, often enough the EXACT context. eg, clironomie is, technically, a romanian word (cognate of ϰλιÏουόμος, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say Ï°Î
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 20:34 asciilifeform: бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК? (tm) (r)
mp_en_viaje: though you will notice, chars AEE DIFFERENT!
mp_en_viaje is reading "old" ie early 19th century romanian matter ; whenever has to look up words, discovers the ONLY example usage available is taken from the very text he's working on, often enough the EXACT context. eg, clironomie is, technically, a romanian word (cognate of ϰλιÏουόμος, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say Ï°Î
mp_en_viaje: what the holy fuck. so 1st line above is exact repost of logline original ; 2nd line is paste of content
mp_en_viaje: cognate of ϰλιρουόμος, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say ϰλιρουόμος
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, check this out : line ends up cut, so therefore utf meaning gets fucked.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-15 06:38 mp_en_viaje: bitcoinrabbithole.org/writings/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ imagine that shit, and then
http://archive.is/IqhDe#selection-605.1-607.13 (fancy that wonder, i'm the #1 author, with 6 "works" to nic carter's 5.)
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, $ echo "ϰλιρουόμος ϰλιρουομία χλιρουομια" | xxd
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: 0000000: cfb0 cebb ceb9 cf81 cebf cf85 cf8c cebc ................
mp_en_viaje: 0000010: cebf cf82 20cf b0ce bbce b9cf 81ce bfcf .... ...........
mp_en_viaje: 0000020: 85ce bfce bcce afce b120 cf87 cebb ceb9 ......... ......
mp_en_viaje: 0000030: cf81 cebf cf85 cebf cebc ceb9 ceb1 0a ...............
mp_en_viaje: why the fuck are there two ambiguous minuscule chis ?!
mp_en_viaje: anyway, my archive aparently uses the 1st one ; google apparently uses the 2nd one.
mp_en_viaje: not really got the time to look into digital etymology right nao, but pretty fucking stupid.
BingoBoingo: "A phone call would have worked just as well." << For who?
BingoBoingo: Right. Skipping the pretext and rolling up with 30 stooges seems an expensive option.
mp_en_viaje: especially because should someone shoot a few sets of 30 stooges, that'd be strictly speasking the end of pantsuit government in the island. permanently.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Whereas pretext and "war on pretext" lets the derealization continue over a few body piles.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
mp_en_viaje: kinda how i explain this sort of behaviour. if you were a deeply unpopular, and irredeemably, unfixably unpopular tyranny, and all you had were two sets of reserves for your 30-man strong repressive police, wouldn't YOU go all out ?
mp_en_viaje: now, while you still have it ? because it fucking obviously won't last ?
mp_en_viaje: seems typical besieged cavalry behaviour, "if we charge now we charge now, and if we wait till tomorrow we charge with hungrier horses"
mp_en_viaje: absolutely never. i npoint of fact im not so sure about the 30.
mp_en_viaje: do this experiment : walk up to kids gathered on college campus, ask "how man yof you would fight me if i raped this girl ?"
mp_en_viaje: count the hands. rape the girl, then break the arms off the 2-3 brave/irrational idiots and bash their heads in with them
BingoBoingo: 30 sounds about right. That's a classroom. Probably a safety in numbers thing.
mp_en_viaje: it's my guess that systematically shooting about 15% or so of the first line troops would result in >80% deserion rate.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: this guess is also well buttressed by texas, new mexico, arizona and southern california "law enforcement" experience -- all it took for the usg to abandon the southern provinces was for the cartel to frown.
mp_en_viaje: see, it's not "collaborators" that are needed. it's people brave enough to go into room and maybe get shot. for pantsuitism! where the fuck can such be had ? russia couldn't produce anymore for afghanistan than usg could for vietnam.
mp_en_viaje: socialisms just don't grow men, what's so hard about this ?
mp_en_viaje: "an athenian woman once asked gorgo, how come spartans are the only greeks who respect women ???"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, christchurch isn't the nz capital. look over at tripoli lulz.
mp_en_viaje: chirstchurch is a smallish town, ironically on the short list of possible mp migration spots lo many years ago.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. all it'd take is the deliberate execution of about 5 new zealand govt batausi.
mp_en_viaje: after which, no more new zealand government, for at least three-four decades. haiti-like.
mp_en_viaje: fwiw, we could note the dispute is strictly internal socialist dispute, the ultra-reds "terroristed" the moderate-blue group.
deedbot: stjohn_piano_2 voiced for 30 minutes.
stjohn_piano_2: my name is stjohn piano. i run edgecase.net, which offers several services that may be of interest to people here.
deedbot: asciilifeform rated stjohn_piano_2 1 << temp voice / new blood
stjohn_piano_2: i had some prepared commands, but i'm having some trouble decrypting the otp.
mp_en_viaje recently took girls at local
argentine-style socialist hq here in romania. if the argentines were totally useless retards, they'd make the place an embassy. but of course they are totally useless retards.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, 100% borderline sleeve priceless cuntlets and their typical cultural and civilisational environs.
mp_en_viaje: including printed matter about "real estate justice" in the typical argentine style, the works.
mp_en_viaje: they were very bothered by my cheesing & wineing the two sluts.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: when i run your command there, I get: "gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID C8EFFF13, gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, lengthy interviews with morons living in social dwellings as if they were people, pretentious if ineptly constructed "studies", discussions of "the potentials and limits of legality -- how to construct the altcoin irl"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 16:55 asciilifeform: !!key stjohn_piano_2
mp_en_viaje: really, 100% tardstalk but in this guise of "every moron that should have been hanged is a point of interest and nothing else really matters"
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: diff shows "Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)" as the only difference.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 16:40 asciilifeform: oblig : 'Всіх панів до ’дної ями, Буржуїв за буржуями Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!'(tm)(r)(pavlo tichina)(ukr)
mp_en_viaje: exactly what you'd expect of a "partido marxista-leninista-maoista", the theory of the squatting and "criticism of unbridled capitalism"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, socialism never made sense.
mp_en_viaje: today;s socialism continues that tradition, in exactly the same way, through new forms.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 16:50 asciilifeform realizes that he hasn't the faintest clue re nz, never could even be arsed to see aerial map of it. pictures it as a sort of larger falklands.
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, you can't crown yourself king in places that aren't kingdom. the only thing you can crown yourself, or be crowned for that matter, in new zealand is scapegoat. which isn't the sort of crowning anyone who's not actually a biological goat is interested in.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, which portion of socialism do you say made sense like the former rather than like the latter ?
mp_en_viaje: imo each and all forever and always "made sense" only like the latter. from late 1700s french nonsense to 1800 italian lulz, all through the johhny come latelyes in anglo and russoworld.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> fwiw, we could note the dispute is strictly internal socialist dispute, the ultra-reds "terroristed" the moderate-blue group. << Guy claimed to be a "green" fwiw
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: gpg --list-packets shows that the key ID is C8EFFF13 in the OTP file. The key ID of my public key is 5991 52AC. Is this expected? (the fingerprint shown by deedbot in the earlier line is correct, though).
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, why not make a mp-wp tree patch then ?
mp_en_viaje: iirc people were looking for some more themes
mp_en_viaje: you have to understand, you can't ~anachronize~ ; you gotta explain how it makes sense in time-bound context. otherwise yes forever it'll be the case "past makes sense, present does not"
stjohn_piano_2: it's an html rendering / presentation of a series of text articles.
stjohn_piano_2: the original items can be downloaded via the "Download this article" link.
stjohn_piano_2: except that the signature is wrapped and embedded at the end of the text article.
stjohn_piano_2: manage_ip_addresses is a small interface for the paywall ip addresses. it's a thrown-together paywall, not fantastic, but functional.
stjohn_piano_2: until recently, chat has been an unaffordable liability.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, apparently he implemented ye olde trilema credits thing..
stjohn_piano_2: repetitive strain injury. too much typing, causes muscle buildup.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-22 04:33 asciilifeform: switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else.
http://www.xach.com/na a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:18 mp_en_viaje:
http://edgecase.net/articles/conversation_programmer_licences << what's the weird here ? a) wrt to a buncha people calling themselves x piano ; b) wrt to hand-publishing what's eminently a chatlog, as such ? why not use a logger and only publish selected snippets that need notes and such ?
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, but why the heck would you use digital ocean.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: first thing i bumped into that solved my problem.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, ok, so what services would we be interested in ?
deedbot: stjohn_piano_2 voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:10 BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> fwiw, we could note the dispute is strictly internal socialist dispute, the ultra-reds "terroristed" the moderate-blue group. << Guy claimed to be a "green" fwiw
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 19:36 mircea_popescu: which, amusingly, makes the jesus pantsuits ACTUALLY MORE PROGRESSIVE than the new yorker crowd.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: yes, although i have not been able to understand it.
stjohn_piano_2: i have not spent the time to go through the pieces manually.
mp_en_viaje: ok, but "consulting services" means nothing and secure publication's what qntra already exists for ? why would i use your thing ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In practice it seems so. Neither the reds nor the blues have a monopoly on the mud hut deindustrialists.
stjohn_piano_2: checkpoint articles are hashed and made into bitcoin addresses. some bitcoin is transferred to this address, much like deedbot.
mp_en_viaje: and it's worth your time to do this by yourself rather than actually use deedbot because why ? tryina learn how shit works ?
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: yes, I've learned a lot. also distribution of risk.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 15:54 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, $ echo "ϰλιρουόμος ϰλιρουομία χλιρουομια" | xxd
stjohn_piano_2: you wrote an article once about parsimony vs efficiency, i think.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: so i take it the pissing into blockchain of article checksum is automated ? or you do it by hand on some level ?
mp_en_viaje: umm. why the fuck would anyone. then whine about rsi ? how about not waste your time doing machine works.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje is currently quite satisfied with the trilema/rss > irc > archive.is system of archival. for one thing, on very rare occasions i will retrofix a typo or something. for the other, if i actually wanted to deed each trilema article i would, but by automating that itnerface. seems overkill atm.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what's the sense in airgapping published material ?
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so do you see something wrong with having an article about a script that does |xxd ?
mp_en_viaje: because if i had a criticism to present toyou re your (in many ways quite laudable) efforts -- it'd be this scratching around head with wrong hand approach to life.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: certainly. i'm not certain that i knew about xxd at the time.
mp_en_viaje: are you coming from academia or something ?
mp_en_viaje: but you nevertheless understand what i mean ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:28 mp_en_viaje: umm. why the fuck would anyone. then whine about rsi ? how about not waste your time doing machine works.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to belabour the point : there is immense value in having low barriers. part of why trilema is so great is all the time i put into making it very easy for myself to write on/for it. and my life in general is very finely tuned by this principle.
mp_en_viaje: if soemthing you should do can be accomplished in one hand motion, you'll do it a lot easier than if you have to first curtsy and then proceed. and a curtsy can be anything -- including having to remember the name of a script.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: all sorts of unexpected things improve productivity, and the thing with improved productivity is that it's a very hard exponential -- cutting yet another 1% dead weight produces massive gains because it lowers effort under pleasure threshold.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: one sure as fuck loves writing when the path from idea to published article is an hour or so.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: diffing the output of pgpdump -i [key] and pgpdump -i [deedbotkey] shows no difference.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha, and how linux ended up with the lulzy util names. and so on
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 16:55 asciilifeform: !!rate stjohn_piano_2 1 temp voice / new blood
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:34 mp_en_viaje: if soemthing you should do can be accomplished in one hand motion, you'll do it a lot easier than if you have to first curtsy and then proceed. and a curtsy can be anything -- including having to remember the name of a script.
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so why "If Edgecase cannot answer your question, Edgecase will probably be able to suggest some potential avenues of exploration." ? wtf is an edgecase then
mp_en_viaje: so is it you and a friend made a company and you call each other piano-something and the company is edgecase ?
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: my name is actually StJohn Piano. my brother's name is Nicholas Piano. the company is just me.
mp_en_viaje: nuts. it so happens it sounds exactly like what the "transparently clever & ironic" made-up name an
xkcd-minded 2010s cleverist would come up with.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: i agree. no problem, i'm used to that reaction.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: yes. i have imported the corresponding priv key to this instance of gpg.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: i highly doubt that edgecase can compete with slave labour.
mp_en_viaje: nicoleci, ey bimbo, how long did that take you ?
stjohn_piano_2: well, we'd choose some hourly rate agreeable to both of us. i'd use an OCR site and correct the result. eventually, i might invest time in my own ocr fork.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, it'll be more work to correct than to write.
nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, that was a long one, five hours...
stjohn_piano_2: well, i'd use human-powered ocr then (given residual rsi). i've hired transcribers before. i'd then correct the result myself.
BingoBoingo: human-powered ocr has a high error rate when the wrong bipeds are involved
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: this computer doesn't have a djvu reader, but i have no doubt that it's painful.
mp_en_viaje: so look, and i hope you don't take this the wrong way (a hope mostly fed by your claim to have read the logs) : you're a guy with an evident humanities / non-technical background trying to get something going, start a company, all that stuff. nothing wrong with that. you are however currently beset by two prongs of problem. one is that in your quest to do something, you often do things that are getting in your own way -- there's no benefit for you f
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: rom all the pomp of "datafeed article 103," etc. it just clunks up your thought process. i know you don' tthink so, familiarity breeds a feeling of safety etc. but it's absolutely never worth it to have more shit than you need.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: And a lot of people advertising for "transcription" aren't the sort equipped to decode cultureal artifacts
mp_en_viaje: the other prong is that you don't actually have anything you can compete in. slave labour or no slave labour, she does it in five hours and you don't.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: now -- the 2nd is probably more approachable.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:48 mp_en_viaje: so look, and i hope you don't take this the wrong way (a hope mostly fed by your claim to have read the logs) : you're a guy with an evident humanities / non-technical background trying to get something going, start a company, all that stuff. nothing wrong with that. you are however currently beset by two prongs of problem. one is that in your quest to do something, you often do things that are getting in your own way -- there's no benefit for you f
stjohn_piano_2: i have unfortunately worked mostly in small businesses, making me something of a "learn this thing quickly well enough to get it to do X function".
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: i guess i could say that i'm very good at reading a lot of material and picking out the bit that is necessary for a problem.
deedbot: stjohn_piano_2 voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, in a sense, the issue here you'll now have to transition into maturity.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 16:52 mircea_popescu: well, there's that old "as i became a man i put the things of childhood aside". "something else", you know ? not a girl, no, but who knows what terror ?!
mp_en_viaje: certainly displays the patience required, to, eg, make a quite pretty mp-wp clone in python.
stjohn_piano_2: puzzler: why the key ID in the otp message is C8EFFF13, while my key's fingerprint is 599152AC. importing the private key into gpg produces (in gpg --list-keys) the correct key ID 599152AC. diffing the key returned by deedbot with my public key shows no difference.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, he prolly registered they main but gpg wants to use the sub (or vice-versa, i dun recall which this was)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:58 mp_en_viaje: did you yourself do that btw ?
stjohn_piano_2: my pgptron is gpg 1.4.10, compiled from mp's original source in deedbot.
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: i've abandoned the stateless commands and am using the basic stuff.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i have imported the corresponding priv. will now export pub and confirm that it's the same as the one in deedbot.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if you think about it, not only common, but forced because necessary. the human condition in postmodernism, as "lost on a raft atop sea of nonsense" kinda forces the tribe's expendable labour (ie, young males) into the "quickly search through large portions of sea"
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: have exported pub-derived-from-priv and diffed it with pub-downloaded-from-deedbot. no difference other than "Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)".
stjohn_piano_2: so my working assumption is that the priv is in fact the right one.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems inconceivable the nick was pre-registered ?!
stjohn_piano_2: gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 625FF273, created 2019-04-15 "stjohn_piano_2"
stjohn_piano_2: 224B5AF74B3FDF7674566BBBC2C7AF0E46D68F6586E03C255C2631FD34BE60DD
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, say !!v 224B5AF74B3FDF7674566BBBC2C7AF0E46D68F6586E03C255C2631FD34BE60DD
stjohn_piano_2: !!v 224B5AF74B3FDF7674566BBBC2C7AF0E46D68F6586E03C255C2631FD34BE60DD
deedbot: You are now voiced in #trilema
stjohn_piano_2: ah. first time -> opened link in browser, copied text into file. did not use curl.
mp_en_viaje: speaking of slave labour, naked girls in my room packing my shirts. "watch, like this. see ?"
mp_en_viaje: well he'll be hard pressed to do it here if unvoiced, lol
stjohn_piano_2: strange. doing the operation again with the original OTP still produces the error.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, here's a consultancy i'm willing to hire you for : find some place that a) doesn't suck and b) offers a good price to advertise trilema on. large venues only ; none of the pompous bullshit. bulk adult traffic would do fine for instance, maybe talk to the juicyads dorks.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:51 stjohn_piano_2: i have unfortunately worked mostly in small businesses, making me something of a "learn this thing quickly well enough to get it to do X function".
mp_en_viaje: ever since that graham scammer completely lost it, and started whining about some idiots who "handmade cereal boxes to sell their idea"
stjohn_piano_2: I've done: writing python scripts to sort large amounts of transcription data, running transcription projects, setting up raspberry-pi-powered cameras, figuring out what to do about gdpr, bookkeeping.
mp_en_viaje: so basically you were involved in one small biz, and it had something or the other to do with digitization, or w/e in that vein.
stjohn_piano_2: ah. actually two businesses. one was a furniture factory, one did speech rec system tuning.
stjohn_piano_2: furniture factory wanted to see if they could make and sell a cnc mini-mill.
stjohn_piano_2: speec rec company wanted transcription projects to test the speech systems.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, ok, but what did you do for them ? accounting ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, more like in 90s, didn't they write a lisp-web thing ?
mp_en_viaje: tho i suspect other guy wrote, graham talked.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:04 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if you think about it, not only common, but forced because necessary. the human condition in postmodernism, as "lost on a raft atop sea of nonsense" kinda forces the tribe's expendable labour (ie, young males) into the "quickly search through large portions of sea"
mp_en_viaje: his forray into business however, is sadly reminiscent of tucker max.
mp_en_viaje: aha. but i meant since, made a "ycombinator" thing.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: furniture factory: i studied all the components i was given and tried to make them work together: so, camera, computer, motion controller, servomotors, wiring etc.
mp_en_viaje: apparently those are easy to get, in usgistan. then again... long standing tradition, who still recalls the "tribes" genius.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so mechanical engineer for factory and then software engineer for sound recording thing ?
stjohn_piano_2: speech rec company: learned to build / tune /test speech rec systems (nuance, grxml). ran transcription projects for the test data. wrote statistical sampler scripts for the output.
stjohn_piano_2: although for speech rec, it was small company (my father), so I also did bookkeeping, reading about taxes, setting up computers, etc.
mp_en_viaje: "One of the most popular in the world 7,000 posts so far, more than a million readers." ; dude's still going, check him out. les keks.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so what did you go to school for ?
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i agree. goal was to make "cnc mill for consumers" i.e. cheap.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i learned early on that he who has the money gets to decide what to spend it on.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, aite. i guess you're fated to thicken the rows of techs then.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: makes sense. i don't think i'm a good choice for advertising work.
mp_en_viaje: Kinds of truth “Gravity’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.” << check out the schmuck, "oh, here, nobody will notice pantsuitist pretense, let's talk about how gravity is the law. because hilary mcloser voted it!!!"
mp_en_viaje: yeah. they're this cloud of idiots, this dude, graham, jobs, they all wear stupid clothes and aim to impress the gullible public by a certain style of fireworks.
mp_en_viaje: usually shaved head, rolled up sweater, "eternal life", etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:18 mp_en_viaje:
http://edgecase.net/articles/conversation_programmer_licences << what's the weird here ? a) wrt to a buncha people calling themselves x piano ; b) wrt to hand-publishing what's eminently a chatlog, as such ? why not use a logger and only publish selected snippets that need notes and such ?
stjohn_piano_2: interest from my friends and acquaintances in "store bitcoin on paper securely" using edgecase stuff has been: ~0.
stjohn_piano_2: variant in this case is: use raspberry pi to generate offline transaction to confirm address validity.
stjohn_piano_2: well, in my initial half-understanding of bitcoin, was nervous about moving bitcoin into offline address without knowing (for certain) that i could retrieve it.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2015-03-07 00:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:43 asciilifeform: dun even need computer, really
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: all this is true. is it still a bad idea if you run the raspi offline forever?
stjohn_piano_2: ah. when i started on quest, i had filed all computers under "untrustworthy".
stjohn_piano_2: e.g. dig dig dig "ah, this Y is a wrapper around a half-melted X"
stjohn_piano_2: i contemplated a future (my middle age?) in which all of the old stuff no longer works.
stjohn_piano_2: yes, very nearly. but some 90s-era cpus still run, no?
stjohn_piano_2: ah interesting. did not know that. had assumed old stuff would break in some way over time.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 03:29 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not only that period. i have strong suspicion that 'capacitor plague' never trooly ended, or will
stjohn_piano_2: well, when (roughly) can ~all the 70s, 80s stuff be expected to be dead, purely from entropy.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: yes. i noticed. i have a 10yo macbook that functions still, while newer ones.... well, not so good.
stjohn_piano_2: so digging through junkyards is actually workable for my lifetime?
stjohn_piano_2: question becomes: spend lots of time becoming expert in old tech, run homebrew hardware for running a wallet, but then: how to monetise? the expenditure in time alone is enormous.
stjohn_piano_2: the question in my mind is: does this strategy lose out to write-bitcoin-scripts-in-scripting-language to run offline on whatever cheap hardware china makes?
stjohn_piano_2: although, i am surprised. i had thought "driver" was one category of subordinate where you could trust that the subordinate would do the work carefully, for his own sake.
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: yes. people try, but final responsibility can never be outsourced.
stjohn_piano_2: people reeeeally try though. "machine learning" (rather than "statistical sampler with paremeter adjustment").
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: re: testing: excellent. i will eventually buy one. need to get a job first.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:44 stjohn_piano_2: well, in my initial half-understanding of bitcoin, was nervous about moving bitcoin into offline address without knowing (for certain) that i could retrieve it.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: thanks. i have read it already though (and much of trilema).
stjohn_piano_2:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914109 << yes. i didn't even trust the implementation of the hash function though. i started out with the assumption "it's all terrible" and the conclusion was "the only true test is to get a transaction from this address into the blockchain".
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: you understand there's a (very theoretical) weaking of an address through reuse tho ?
stjohn_piano_2: section is called "Does the hash in a Bitcoin address provide any protection?" (if you search the page for that string, you'll get to it)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 19:06 stjohn_piano_2: although, i am surprised. i had thought "driver" was one category of subordinate where you could trust that the subordinate would do the work carefully, for his own sake.
mp_en_viaje: hard to beat the loving slave in most personal applications.
stjohn_piano_2: to quote myself "To attack a hidden-key address, an adversary would need to discover weaknesses in: ECDSA, SHA256, RIPEMD-160. These weaknesses would also have to be compatible. To attack a known-key address, an adversary would only need to discover a weakness in ECDSA."
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 19:12 stjohn_piano_2: people reeeeally try though. "machine learning" (rather than "statistical sampler with paremeter adjustment").
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform, mp_en_viaje: thanks again for the patient help.
mp_en_viaje: "Nicole's curiosity about life has put her on a path of ever-deepening self-discovery. She believes in gentleness towards oneself, practicing gratitude, always having fun, and that laughter is one of the great keys to well-being."
diana_coman: o.O they replaced her profile on linked in??
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, well, removed any tmsr reference on one ; invented a spare.
mp_en_viaje: the mechanical similarity to the phuctor example should be illustrative enough. it's one thing for the "sceptical" tard to say whatever bla-bla re the former case ; but the two presented together are particularly strong, because absolutely the only commonality is their unpalatability to the femstate.
diana_coman: ah, ah, purged refs on it; (linked in site was derping re login bla bla so I didn't get to see the content)
mp_en_viaje: precisely how one defeats the pantsuit strategy : unconnected examples.
diana_coman: at least on the public toilet I can even access it
diana_coman: on which I can access the linkedin site I mean; possibly some paywall or whatever, didn't bother to really go around it
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i dunno, they do some rotation whining and displaying thing.
diana_coman even still has somewhere a profile in there but can't be quite bothered atm about it
stjohn_piano_2: by mistake, i was attempting to decrypt the OTP sent to asciilifeform
☟︎ stjohn_piano_2: in my notes, i had this sequence: 1) join forum, 2) deedbot will present OTP, 3) decrypt OTP, 4) use !!v OTP.
diana_coman: heh, as I was reading the log, I was wondering if you were trying there the right OTP or someone else's
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: you need to ask; and it's a more general rule really
stjohn_piano_2: diana_coman: yes. makes sense. annoying mistake on my part.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:34 stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: electronic engineering
stjohn_piano_2: ^ trinque. hope you see the above about OTP before doing any investigation.
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re programming otherwise, there's eulora with a shit-ton of interesting stuff to do but there like ~anywhere, it's always about digging deeper rather than looking wider as it were
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: the question as to WHY " They couldn’t even get real Africans for the parts. " is amusingly left unaddressed.
mp_en_viaje: hey, maybe if real africans weren't really subhuman, they could be economically useful ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, "being plausibly deniable & unobvious" i guess.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: nah, prolly stays for a while, is deleted again, then "please verify acct", then "here's an imaginary someone else by your name", then etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, currently im most amused at the inventing imaginary person with the most obscure of names. somehow oddly this chick didn't exist last year.
mp_en_viaje: "oh mp, existed, you just didn't dig deep enough" "yeah. right."
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i dunno imperial "platforms" have much utility beyond this derivative comedy value, of making a laughingstock of the empire and it's inept movements.
mp_en_viaje: heh. haven't logged in forever, they might even have.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, kinda thoroughly squeezed lemon, imo.
mp_en_viaje: yeah, cuz frankly i can't imagine what more.
nicoleci: it seems like some linkedin 'developers' read the logs and got butthurt
nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, it shows that people from linkedin viewed my profile and like asciilifeform said, why just delete the company instead of the whole profile
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, part and parcel of problem there is fetlife really nosedived past ~coupla years. it's one thing to sift through mountain river for gold ; it's another to sift through garden hose spout.
mp_en_viaje: use alt-f2 in firefox to open up console, then type :screenshot filename.png --fullscreen
diana_coman: possibly they "cleaned" her account for herself since it can't possibly be that she wrote such a thing there !!
mp_en_viaje: in fact, possibly the WORST software i've ever seen.
nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, cant since i clicked off and it now shows different views, unless of course i wanna pay for that sweet sweet premium account
mp_en_viaje: ALL the script-side cleverness you can imagine, it;s beyond comprehension. i do nto expect they currently can maintain their codebase.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, dissimilar in terms of complexity.
mp_en_viaje: fetlife relatively straightforward naive, linkedin employs truly complicated tower of obfuscation to prevent scraping.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't use at all. i know things through... guru meditation.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it;s so bad they're stuck having multiple paths for reliability.
mp_en_viaje: ie, if obfuscator of pathway A results in unloadable page, there's also pathway B.
mp_en_viaje: js deliverer estimates if the final webdocument whatever is right or not, tries diff approach.
mp_en_viaje: can play six hours of original doom on the cpu juice one linkedin pageload requires.
nicoleci: asciilifeform, lol. you get the special privilege of getting the FULL linkedin approved names of whose viewed your profile instead of just the job titles, plus all the other hr bullshit like being able to post a job add
nicoleci: they spam their premium feature
mp_en_viaje: pretty much all of the "web 2.0" usg."tech" stuff peaked cca lehman brothers days.
nicoleci: asciilifeform, sounds about right with the theme of connections vs qualifications
mp_en_viaje: nicoleci, try the screenshot thing in any case, so you learn how to use it.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, great way to earn a living from eg albanian secret service. "oh look, i have connection!!!"
nicoleci: asciilifeform, 'we regret to inform you' is built into sites like careerbuilder and indeed jobs now. they even write the reject message for hr people
nicoleci: asciilifeform, i think it is still mandated to send letters for government jobs (more regulations for proof of hire eligibility)
mp_en_viaje: actually, for a decade or so it has a real nsa and the traditional nsa. on top of ^
Mocky: I used a few different sites, but nsa or anything with 'clearance'... not *that* hungry
Mocky: I had one recruiter 'if you get hired, they will sponsor your clearance' 'no thx' 'what??!??'
Mocky: got my current job via linkedin, msg from recruiter wed, I answered thurs, interview friday and monday
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, slim because naive derpitude load large piles of ~unused libs. but this is trimmed.
Mocky: rounded corners aint cheap
mp_en_viaje: "Real user monitoring data drives all aspects of Citrix Intelligent Traffic Management Citrix collects information from across more than 50,000 networks daily. Over 130 Clouds, CDNs and Datacenters are measured daily. Hundreds of millions of clients generate over 14 billion RUM data points every day."
mp_en_viaje: in fact, the codebase similarity is staggering.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 16:38 mp_en_viaje: it's my guess that systematically shooting about 15% or so of the first line troops would result in >80% deserion rate.
mp_en_viaje: ~nobody available that can write the sort of shit they want, is willing to do it, and will even talk to them. so... reuse, recycle, reduce.
mp_en_viaje: gotta distinguish the tiny core of productive employees from the large skirtings of african employees.
mp_en_viaje: well, this was more re producing the webolade.
mp_en_viaje: both tor-likes and linkedin-likes are ~same vintage and ~same flavour for a reason.
mp_en_viaje: this is not coincidental ; nor is it yesterday or yesteryear vintage (which latest circumstance is prolly least happy re reich prospects)
mp_en_viaje: Mocky, just sat and sifted through recruiter spam ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 20:10 stjohn_piano_2: by mistake, i was attempting to decrypt the OTP sent to asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:22 asciilifeform: Key ID - 0x889ACC4FC8EFFF13 is defo not any of his subs ~or~ the primary. trinque ^ prolly worth a look