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BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 154mn 120 500 WFF, WU esta bien
auctionbot: Buy order # 1050 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (119 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 400mn 120 2835 WFF, Wire Only
auctionbot: Buy order # 1051 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (119 hours)
billymg: mp_en_viaje: thank you for the response. it's given me some more to think about
billymg: re: timing, i'm worried that the next bitcoin spike, which feels due soon, will again create a climate of jealousy/resentment in the population towards anyone with btc
mp_en_viaje: dude, the general population. who gives a flying fuck about the general population ?
billymg: only that it provides politicians pretense to do what they want to do anyway, take
billymg imagines some politician someday rolling out 90% "bitcoin tax" for purposes of "fairness"
mp_en_viaje: the general population in minsk is stuck saving all week on their miserly $100/week salary to take girlfriend out on independence day, only to get kicked out of the booth because there's some people there doing bottles. the general population sits morosely at the bar while their gf watches my whores mouth agape for half an hour only to eventually work up the gumption to come over and complain about ~the noise~. in a fucking bar. so i tell them to ge
mp_en_viaje: t lost and they... do. because what the fuck are they gonna do.
mp_en_viaje: billymg, and ?
mp_en_viaje: the only real danger is, your brain rotting into the sad shape where you'd actually pay ; or think such a thing as paying is conceivable.
mp_en_viaje: payin bitcoin "taxes" because fiatards told you to requires exactly the same mental processes as "buying" brooklyn bridge because street urchins told you to ; or not eating lobster because teacup-in-the-sky told you to.
mp_en_viaje: religious furies.
billymg: well, not just because told you to, but rather, show up at house, ask a bit more firmly
billymg: that's why somewhere further away, politically and geographically. otherwise could just as well get land in rural texas if plan is to simply respond "no"
mp_en_viaje: ask what the fuck ?
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844050 << this thread is what i'm thinking of ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:58 asciilifeform: it is possible to be shivved by street robber in sao paolo, or gnawed by bear in kamchatka, etc. but robber and bear do not grep yer packetz for 'might have btc' etc
mp_en_viaje: yours is a bizarre conception of the world. http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/ is not locale-bound.
mp_en_viaje: you could, similarily, be gnawed to death by rats. this is paranoia, plain and simple ; if it fixes on "other people" you move to rural texas (or w/e, rural ok, as the dpb case may be). if it fixes on "packets" you move to whatever, cabin in woods like the unabomber guy. if it fixes on corn you move to sugarcane country... but seriously now, paranoid delusion shouldn't be the driver of man's activity.
mp_en_viaje: sooner or later you will have to say no, whatever you are, whatever you do and wherever you do it ; moreover the problem with living among idiots is that you become one, not that they "get smart to you".
billymg: my reading of that thread may have been wrong but my takeaway was that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844017 is inevitable ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:46 asciilifeform: 20th c was century of dekulakizations, where 'these motherfuckers won't give up their hard currency to socialist motherland, let's light fire under their feet', typically shooting was not 1st step, but last step, of algo
billymg: and when this happens, or how it happens, is not something i'd like to predict, but rather be far enough away to watch from a distance
mp_en_viaje: well, you'll also eventually die. "not if i just keep away from the site of my eventual death" is your answer ?
asciilifeform: 'coward dies 1000 deaths, brave man - 1'(tm)(r)
mp_en_viaje: i think part of the problem is maybe a kind of literalism. i wouldn't say the thread is ~incorrect~ ; i would however say it does not relate to you in the manner you imply. it is a historical and statistical account, like say a discussion of female biological inferiority.
mp_en_viaje: conceivably a girly reading a discussion about how women are born less than men gets disheartened and quits highschool. this is not particularly sound reasoning, the biological and statitical discussion says nothing about her.
billymg: ah, i see
mp_en_viaje: she ~still could be~ the smartest / fastest / incoherent-est / whatever person alive.
mp_en_viaje: just because sha256 is theoretically AN INFINITY OF TIMES easier to break than sha512 does not in fact mean you can break either as you stand today.
mp_en_viaje: just because we moved to keccak from sha because ~of concerns~ (which are sound) does not actually mean sha is weak, as far as we know. and so following.
asciilifeform: in re statistical discussion -- historically dekulakizations nail the middle, the fella with (per current day norm) 5-6 u.s.figs of worth, rather than actual rich. and per billymg's description of his case, seems that he falls into the latter, rather than former, weight class
mp_en_viaje: 5-6-7, tbf.
billymg: my understanding was that it was more about level of connectedness to the party than simply wealth
billymg: and billymg has ~0 political connections to speak of
mp_en_viaje: well, a large part of the problem then was also that the ~meaning~ of wealth changed. wealth as a concept in the space occupied later by the sovient union had starting to diverge as early as 1600s, with the aparition of the khutor
mp_en_viaje: (a sort of single-family dwelling). the peasants had been slowly capitalizing the space around them for centuries, before that thread got discontinued, and wealth became rather a relational sort (see "note from stalin", or see beria's implementation of my very own "talk with the one with the tits". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-01 10:20 mircea_popescu: and the other item in this rapidly depleting bucket of possibly useful ideas : fucking pick. obviously i'll look at a group and go "talk to that one with the tits" or w/e such, my picks are easy peasy. but this doesn't mean yo ucan't pick! look at a group, select the donkey with the more intelligent gaze, talk to that, what's to keep you.
mp_en_viaje: largely the early soviet revolutionary thing was a long chain reorg. a tenuous if long coming interpretation of "wealth" got segwit 'ed out of existence.
mp_en_viaje: "just as it was starting to really take off".
mp_en_viaje: billymg, note the things i said re moving to cr, specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920248 ; attempting to manalone things is a loser strategy wherever you go. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-26 19:24 mp_en_viaje: get yourself support locally, too. there's a few remnant pantsui torgs that need strangling ; i murdered one there's just a few left. they must be publicly raped, and then get the repubkican style institutions going.
mp_en_viaje: a statement like "0 political connections" ~impugns~ you. this is a flaw of yours ; you're welcome to remedy it whichever way you choose, such as moving to an easier and cheaper map. but if you move not to remedy but to persevere in your error... well pardon me, error is error, such a thing as an alternate world which works in alternate ways and your error is no longer sinful hasn't been found yet.
mp_en_viaje: a rich king with no barons is in just as dubious position as henry the young king, with his hall fulla heroic figures and no two pennies to set a meal before them. you absolutely must have money ~and connections~, there is strictly no doctor's note to get you out of this one, and don't go looking for it either.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, btw, not forgotten your bitcent, just, atm very fucking inconvenient to do !!pay. will definitely get to it tho.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: this is making a lot of sense, thank you
mp_en_viaje: np
mp_en_viaje: fucking internet. 100% of all occurences of "paranoid delusion" are retconned into "delusional disorder", notwithstanding the term of art has ~century of bibliography behind it and the latter nonsense was invented last decade-ish in one of those inconsequential meetings of the usgistani retards posing as dosctors on no basis.
mp_en_viaje: increasingly the internet becomes a pantsuit translation skin upon the world, giving such a worldview as could be digested by a specific sort of ideologically-hobbled moron and naught else.
mp_en_viaje: from the "OEA" imaginary association of imaginary representatives of pantsuit-imagined "nations" to inexistent restaurants to everything else, the internet is mostly the pretendosphere of the redditard. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 21:39 BingoBoingo: In other local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Uruguay-se-retiro-de-la-asamblea-de-la-OEA-y-senalo-vaciamiento-de-la-institucionalidad--uc722587
mp_en_viaje: could have really done quite well without any of all of that.
jurov: !Xbid 1051 370mn
auctionbot: Buy order # 1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 370mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (114 hours 15 mins)
jurov: !Xbid 1050 100mn
auctionbot: Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 100mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (114 hours 12 mins)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-minsk-report/ << Trilema -- The Minsk Report
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje no hurry,
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/intel-goes-on-media-push-for-new-interpretations-of-moores-law/ << Qntra -- Intel Goes On Media Push For "New Inte...ons" Of Moore's Law
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local meta-news https://archive.is/tplmr