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mod6: my eyes!
mod6: BingoBoingo: lulzy
mircea_popescu: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-22_1 << a denier of many plurious things lol
mod6 looks
mod6: lol 'mod6 survives...'
mod6: how's it goin tonight mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: gotta admit i like esthlos's summary page
mod6: yeah, i do too
mod6: and i kinda like there is competition here
mod6: how goes asciilifeform ?
mod6 is testing the phexdigit fix regrind
mod6: and oiling weapons
asciilifeform: mod6: lol funnily enuff metoo
asciilifeform: bit of pest control work
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: not bad!
mod6: good to hear, Sir.
mod6: I think you must have an iron stomach -- the ability to publish such specimens of humans and not barf outright.
mod6: (maybe you did, who am i to judge. lol)
mod6 nearly jumped into a bathtub with a toaster
mod6: And it was her legs that got me, I think.
mod6 pukes in a corner
mod6: sweet, trb is done
mod6: this thing -just works-.
mod6: gotta love it
mod6: I literally can load the entire block chain in like 8-9 days.
mod6: -caneat is where it's at.
mircea_popescu: ducks love eating vomit
mod6: heheh
mod6: does anyone here hunt ducks?
mircea_popescu: mod6 http://thewhet.net/2018/09/the-appropriately-proportioned-ballad-of-chimichurri/ !!11
mod6 looks
mod6: I like this duck with his dubloons. may his wings carry him swift, and his feet paddle him apt.
mircea_popescu: idoubt it'll ever fly, domestic duck as it is.
mircea_popescu: but plox not to hunt anyways, ty!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but plox not to hunt anyways, ty! << Excellent use of WoT. Ensuring particular duck lives.
BingoBoingo: And in the Encouraging News department: Trump can win in Uruguayo Courts Too! https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/quedo-sin-efecto-demanda-laboral-en-uruguay-contra-los-trump-201892912227
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855554 << bwhahaha.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 15:22 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but plox not to hunt anyways, ty! << Excellent use of WoT. Ensuring particular duck lives.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=33 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/24/2018
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers ! trb node zoolag will be down for approx 20min for experimental patch bringup, starting 5min from nao.
mircea_popescu: how goes.
asciilifeform: grr jurov , 'Signature verification on clearsigned text failed, discarding. Review the message in your sent mail folder for wordwrap or similar mutilations of clearsigned text.'
asciilifeform: and i used the www box !!
asciilifeform: hrm, pasting the txt worked...
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers!!! http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html << .
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html and the predecessor ( mod6's http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html ) into 'experimental'
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: item's been on conveyor for a while, will be interesting to shed some light on who's hero and who's zero.
asciilifeform: currently live on zoolag.
mircea_popescu: nb
asciilifeform: prolly oughta also print the peer version hdrs, but that can go in the regrind.
asciilifeform: currently not so hard to see who is 1 of us and who not
asciilifeform: this experiment will work 9000x better once there's several trb folx other than asciilifeform doing it, cuz learning 'block x came from... this-here trb noad' dun tell me much, it'd be useful to know where ~he~ got it, etc
asciilifeform: prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
asciilifeform: i'ma post some grep ProcessBlock debug.log > whogave.txt once it runs for a spell.
asciilifeform: imho set of addrs advertised actively with peers oughta consist solely of 1) people noad operator manually -addnode'd + 2) peers who actually sent in valid blox in recent past
asciilifeform: ( see linked thread. )
asciilifeform: right nao this set consists 99.999....+% of rando liquishit.
asciilifeform: for nao -- simply log'em.
mircea_popescu: the one useful thing here would be to get trb properly ground already.
mircea_popescu: the current situation is unseemly.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess it's on mod6's conveyor already.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you on it ?
asciilifeform bbl:meat
mircea_popescu: meanwhiel in other soviet art, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Lincoln_Douglas_Debates_1958_issue-4c.jpg
mod6: hi!
mod6 reads the log
mod6: asciilifeform: ah cool, thank for the post. I'll read/try it when I get a chance.
mod6: Probably sometime here past month-end.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in famous speeches,
mircea_popescu: "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbi
mircea_popescu: d the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied
mircea_popescu: everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone."
mircea_popescu: (a. lincoln)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the one useful thing here would be to get trb properly ground already. << I'm probably not going to do this until there is a vtron that supports keccak.
mod6: I want users to be able to get a vtron, as they do now, with v.pl, then build trb in very much the same way they are able to today.
trinque: eh this is no reason to completely halt trb progress meanwhile
mod6: Why would it be halted?
mod6: I've been working on it quite a bit.
trinque: I have patches myself which are sitting on the sideline waiting for the manifest, which I was under the impression you're working on
mod6: No, the manifest was published last week, trinque.
trinque: ah! great! sorry, I missed that
mod6: Well, there was some issue with the ML message going through, but it's up now.
trinque: got it.
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html
mod6: I've even got another vpatch I'm about to submit too. Was testing it lastnight, in fact.
trinque: lovely, I'll have to dust off my wallet excision patch and submit too
trinque: ^ not intended for mainline, specific-use branch.
mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch. For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
asciilifeform: trinque: manifest is done, i built on it in the experimental item linked earlier
trinque sees, was searching for whether not being able to download attachments from ML also slipped by him
asciilifeform: speaking of which, thus far nearly all of zoolag's valid new blox came from one 149.56.19.79
trinque: lolnope, cannot download attachments.
asciilifeform: trinque: they load fine here... do you get eggog ?
trinque: I'm getting a cloudfront error!
asciilifeform: ?!!
asciilifeform: jurov : ??
asciilifeform: jurov: srsly, cloudfront ?!
mod6: trinque: are you having trouble with the ML?
mod6: that's weird. it was working better, or so I thought :/
asciilifeform: mod6: i thought it was moved to pizarro ?!
asciilifeform: where the fuck is that thing hosted ?
mod6: I'm not sure where the mailman front end is hosted.
mod6: The archive part was moved to the foundation
mod6: 's box at Pizarro.
asciilifeform: mod6: so why is it physically possible for trinque to see cloudfront ?!
mod6: (at least, I thought so)
mod6: asciilifeform: I dunno.
trinque: 161.0.121.248 << this appears to be the pizarro box, eh?
asciilifeform: yes
mod6: jurov: Can you give us an update on all of the above ^?
asciilifeform: trinque: are you behind some peculiar heathen firewall or wat
trinque: per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846502☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 13:13 jurov: Till I set up everything, static mirror of btc-dev mailing list will be here: http://161.0.121.248/ml/btc-dev/
asciilifeform brb,meat
trinque: asciilifeform: what do you have for curl 'http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20180923/mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch?sha1=9abdb060135507152b9a5c7c3b8b98966266c5bd'
trinque: curling instead with the IP works fine over here
trinque: so appears on my end that yes, thing referenced by that domain is on aws
mod6: i seem to be able to curl that url above, np.
trinque: now I can as well.
mod6: weird
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bjyXE/?raw=true << not so weird, these all point to cloudfront, amazon's cdn thing
trinque: that will serve the item if it has it cached, or will otherwise request from the backend, which is apparently faulty
mircea_popescu: * About to connect() to therealbitcoin.org port 80 (#0)
mircea_popescu: * Trying 52.85.74.232... connected
mircea_popescu: ie, amazon isp.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855609 << what newbs are these ? the sort of newbs that press from v but not have keccak ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:54 mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch. For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
mircea_popescu: seems to me the only kind of newb this is is a very old hand determined to sabotage the process. newbs will just take the state of the art.
mircea_popescu: now that we're done with alf's wrecking of the naming convention, gotta deal with mod6 's wrecking of the historical flow ? keccak isn't some fucking optional package on top of mainline usg-provided sha.
mircea_popescu: sha was never fucking mainline. it was an accidental ad-hoc-ism.
mircea_popescu: only existed there AT ALL because nobody cared what is there at some indistinct point in the past.
mod6: I'm not saying that we shouldn't move to keccak, just would ideally have a tool that supports it.
trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
trinque: would also take a phf item, if v.py is ready to roll with vtools
mod6: If you want this done asap, can work towards creating vpatches that have keccak.
mod6: And I don't think I'm try to wreck anything by being methodical.
mircea_popescu: i'd much prefer not to see a flood of sha patches seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851879 had to exist because "apparently not aware".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway : NO NEW WORK ON SHA PLOX. USE KECCAK.
mod6: Alright.
phf: (i'm not up to date with log) trinque: i can post a patched v.py that works with vtools, i have some free time sunday evening to prep it up
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 hour and 19 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html and the predecessor ( mod6's http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html ) into 'experimental'
mircea_popescu: considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
mircea_popescu: for one thing -- make the fucking thing, and for the other thing -- last month "oh, we have no way to contribute because -- summer days".
mod6: I certainly wasn't held back by no keccak. Who said that?
mod6: Only thing I've been held back by is lack of time as I've been way overwhelemed by all of the Pizarro work.
mod6: It should get better now that BingoBoingo has taken over management duites.
mod6: *duties
mod6: Anyway, if someone wants to take over my role at the foundation, please let me know.
mircea_popescu: i won't even say anything about any of that, seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830030 and so on.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 00:27 mircea_popescu: does the thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ?
mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
mod6: I actually would have figured you'd want me to ensure a smooth transition with the correct tooling. Not jump into something before we're ready.
mircea_popescu: not even entirely sure what precisely we'd be missing if there was no foundation at all, right off.
mod6: Alright. If we disband it, what do we do with the coins?
mircea_popescu: exact same as so far, i reckon. winge and whinge and wring our wrists and worry about it.
mod6: I didn't mean to piss ya off with my comments above, Sir.
mod6: Maybe it is time to give someone else a turn at the helm of the Foundation, or move to not have a foundaiton at all.
mircea_popescu: nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
mod6: This is true, I kicked in 10 BTC of my own, even.
mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
mircea_popescu: we can kick it as high as we want, no wings, no life.
mircea_popescu: if i have to run a balance sheet putting the active on one side and passive=delayed-keccak-adoption on the other side, it's coming out in the red as it stands.
mod6: *nod8
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855636 << displays the expected payload, trinque☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:17 trinque: asciilifeform: what do you have for curl 'http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20180923/mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch?sha1=9abdb060135507152b9a5c7c3b8b98966266c5bd'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855642 << ffs! why!!!!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:22 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bjyXE/?raw=true << not so weird, these all point to cloudfront, amazon's cdn thing
asciilifeform: jurov wtf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only displays that if cloudflare decides to proxy it.
asciilifeform: yea but wtf! why does he have a liquishitflare in there !
asciilifeform: who asked for this!
asciilifeform: cuz it wasn't asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: what do you get if you dig therealbitcoin.org ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r0Xxq/?raw=true
asciilifeform: and that dun look like pizarro !
mircea_popescu: 100% amazon.
asciilifeform: darkest africa.
mircea_popescu: which w/e, i recall this was the case a while back, cheap instance or w/e.
mircea_popescu: ie, not news to me.
asciilifeform: yea but thing was down for week+ , was nominally getting moved into civilized white man hosting
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: and i was under impression that this was declared done
trinque: you actually have to set up the dork CDN in front of it yourself though
mod6: Yeah, I thought the thing was fixed and the archives were moved, too. But may have been mistaken.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855663 << i'ma hold off on further patches, even experimentals, until regrind, if mircea_popescu says 'hold'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 mircea_popescu: considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855658 << this is fair☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:31 mircea_popescu: i'd much prefer not to see a flood of sha patches seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851879 had to exist because "apparently not aware".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855661 << pleez post☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 phf: (i'm not up to date with log) trinque: i can post a patched v.py that works with vtools, i have some free time sunday evening to prep it up
asciilifeform: nuffin is won by waiting, phf
mircea_popescu: we won't die till sunday.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i disagree, btw, that 'epsilon', march-current is when the aggression thing was deployed & tested to exhaustion, and gave proper ~realtime block propagation for 1st time since trb birth
asciilifeform: it is only in heathendom that 'work' equals 'massive flood of coad'
mircea_popescu: you're right, i'm just pissy.
asciilifeform: i dun blame mircea_popescu for pissy, current state of affairs is bad for blood pressure unequivocably
mircea_popescu: besides, shit's gotta get a critical look now and again, can't be all happy roses permanently.
asciilifeform: without mircea_popescu's occasional bout of 'wtf, people, from where do you hands grow' we'dve sunk long ago imho
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855679 << heathendom is fulla parasites who are happy to use bitcoin without contributing so much as a farthing to keeping the 1 and only working client going, noose at 11☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855681 << the piggy afaik does thus far exactly what it was needed for, which is to pay for civilized hosting so the patches even have where to sit. imho anyffing on top of this is bonus.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
asciilifeform: and yes i'd luvv as much as errybody else if a battallion of civilized folx were to materialize out of somewhere and donate, or even run nodes. but they are evidently scarce, mircea_popescu beat the subject of 'sane people ~extinct' just about todeath
asciilifeform: this being said, hey hey ho ho crapflare has gotta go !! jurov !!
mircea_popescu: i dunno that we've exaustively tried that angle, nor do i think we must drop everything and try etc. we're currently well invested, i'm not protesting it.
mircea_popescu: the issue however, is that if mod6 does all the work he does ~as mod6 ~ or as ~the chair of bitcoin foundation~ in the end makes little difference, it's still the exact same work.
mircea_popescu: maybe with some extra overhead he conceivably doesn'\t even need, in the latter case.