mod6: lol 'mod6 survives...'
mod6: how's it goin tonight mircea_popescu ?
mod6: and i kinda like there is competition here
mod6: how goes asciilifeform ?
mod6 is testing the phexdigit fix regrind
mod6: I think you must have an iron stomach -- the ability to publish such specimens of humans and not barf outright.
mod6: (maybe you did, who am i to judge. lol)
mod6 nearly jumped into a bathtub with a toaster
mod6: And it was her legs that got me, I think.
mod6: this thing -just works-.
mod6: I literally can load the entire block chain in like 8-9 days.
mod6: -caneat is where it's at.
mod6: does anyone here hunt ducks?
mod6: I like this duck with his dubloons. may his wings carry him swift, and his feet paddle him apt.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but plox not to hunt anyways, ty! << Excellent use of WoT. Ensuring particular duck lives.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 15:22 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but plox not to hunt anyways, ty! << Excellent use of WoT. Ensuring particular duck lives.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the one useful thing here would be to get trb properly ground already.
mod6: asciilifeform: ah cool, thank for the post. I'll read/try it when I get a chance.
mod6: Probably sometime here past month-end.
mircea_popescu: "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbi
mircea_popescu: d the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied
mircea_popescu: everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the one useful thing here would be to get trb properly ground already. << I'm probably not going to do this until there is a vtron that supports keccak.
mod6: I want users to be able to get a vtron, as they do now, with v.pl, then build trb in very much the same way they are able to today.
trinque: eh this is no reason to completely halt trb progress meanwhile
mod6: Why would it be halted?
mod6: I've been working on it quite a bit.
trinque: I have patches myself which are sitting on the sideline waiting for the manifest, which I was under the impression you're working on
mod6: No, the manifest was published last week, trinque.
trinque: ah! great! sorry, I missed that
mod6: Well, there was some issue with the ML message going through, but it's up now.
mod6: I've even got another vpatch I'm about to submit too. Was testing it lastnight, in fact.
trinque: lovely, I'll have to dust off my wallet excision patch and submit too
trinque: ^ not intended for mainline, specific-use branch.
mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch. For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
☟︎ trinque sees, was searching for whether not being able to download attachments from ML also slipped by him
trinque: lolnope, cannot download attachments.
trinque: I'm getting a cloudfront error!
mod6: trinque: are you having trouble with the ML?
mod6: that's weird. it was working better, or so I thought :/
mod6: I'm not sure where the mailman front end is hosted.
mod6: The archive part was moved to the foundation
mod6: (at least, I thought so)
mod6: asciilifeform: I dunno.
trinque: 161.0.121.248 << this appears to be the pizarro box, eh?
mod6: jurov: Can you give us an update on all of the above ^?
trinque: curling instead with the IP works fine over here
trinque: so appears on my end that yes, thing referenced by that domain is on aws
mod6: i seem to be able to curl that url above, np.
trinque: that will serve the item if it has it cached, or will otherwise request from the backend, which is apparently faulty
mircea_popescu: * About to connect() to therealbitcoin.org port 80 (#0)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:54 mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch. For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
mircea_popescu: seems to me the only kind of newb this is is a very old hand determined to sabotage the process. newbs will just take the state of the art.
mircea_popescu: now that we're done with alf's wrecking of the naming convention, gotta deal with mod6 's wrecking of the historical flow ? keccak isn't some fucking optional package on top of mainline usg-provided sha.
mircea_popescu: sha was never fucking mainline. it was an accidental ad-hoc-ism.
mircea_popescu: only existed there AT ALL because nobody cared what is there at some indistinct point in the past.
mod6: I'm not saying that we shouldn't move to keccak, just would ideally have a tool that supports it.
trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
☟︎ trinque: would also take a phf item, if v.py is ready to roll with vtools
mod6: If you want this done asap, can work towards creating vpatches that have keccak.
mod6: And I don't think I'm try to wreck anything by being methodical.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway : NO NEW WORK ON SHA PLOX. USE KECCAK.
phf: (i'm not up to date with log) trinque: i can post a patched v.py that works with vtools, i have some free time sunday evening to prep it up
☟︎ mircea_popescu: considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for one thing -- make the fucking thing, and for the other thing -- last month "oh, we have no way to contribute because -- summer days".
mod6: I certainly wasn't held back by no keccak. Who said that?
mod6: Only thing I've been held back by is lack of time as I've been way overwhelemed by all of the Pizarro work.
mod6: It should get better now that BingoBoingo has taken over management duites.
mod6: Anyway, if someone wants to take over my role at the foundation, please let me know.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 00:27 mircea_popescu: does the thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ?
mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: I actually would have figured you'd want me to ensure a smooth transition with the correct tooling. Not jump into something before we're ready.
mircea_popescu: not even entirely sure what precisely we'd be missing if there was no foundation at all, right off.
mod6: Alright. If we disband it, what do we do with the coins?
mircea_popescu: exact same as so far, i reckon. winge and whinge and wring our wrists and worry about it.
mod6: I didn't mean to piss ya off with my comments above, Sir.
mod6: Maybe it is time to give someone else a turn at the helm of the Foundation, or move to not have a foundaiton at all.
mircea_popescu: nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
☟︎ mod6: This is true, I kicked in 10 BTC of my own, even.
mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if i have to run a balance sheet putting the active on one side and passive=delayed-keccak-adoption on the other side, it's coming out in the red as it stands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only displays that if cloudflare decides to proxy it.
mircea_popescu: which w/e, i recall this was the case a while back, cheap instance or w/e.
trinque: you actually have to set up the dork CDN in front of it yourself though
mod6: Yeah, I thought the thing was fixed and the archives were moved, too. But may have been mistaken.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 mircea_popescu: considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 phf: (i'm not up to date with log) trinque: i can post a patched v.py that works with vtools, i have some free time sunday evening to prep it up
mircea_popescu: besides, shit's gotta get a critical look now and again, can't be all happy roses permanently.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that we've exaustively tried that angle, nor do i think we must drop everything and try etc. we're currently well invested, i'm not protesting it.
mircea_popescu: the issue however, is that if mod6 does all the work he does ~as mod6 ~ or as ~the chair of bitcoin foundation~ in the end makes little difference, it's still the exact same work.
mircea_popescu: maybe with some extra overhead he conceivably doesn'\t even need, in the latter case.