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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fledling / fledgling ?
mircea_popescu: also i wouldn't give http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-67.90-67.101 & co obscure grupuscle any voice. freeze peach, really ? five morons talking about "things" "as if they were things" dun make "things" anything.
mircea_popescu: and don't be the sixth.
BingoBoingo: ty
mircea_popescu: also, dubious expressions, a collection : "to understand that why they want" ; "if your words actual words are avaible" ; "manufacter a pretext" ; "lack anyway to know" ; "the manufactered insecurity" ; "maladapted in ways invite bullying."
mircea_popescu: but the main issue is that this reads like an approximately sorted succession of conclusions. painfully absent a) the logical justification for the various sentences and b) a very clear indication of structure, how they all work together ; from this b there would then flow a much better a.
mircea_popescu: so i'd say needs a rewrite.
BingoBoingo: Rewrite it is
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo also weirdly i don't get your pingbacks
BingoBoingo: I'll look into that too, since moving to mp-wp should have alleviated that.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, having stepped away from the shovel and rereading I realize I also left out any timelines of the frog boiling
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that article's call-list also reminded me of like, http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/ and such great lulz
mircea_popescu: remember back in 2013, when the power-rangers genuinely thought htey had an existence, of their own and by themselves, entirely outside of my say-so ?
BingoBoingo: I do indeed
mircea_popescu: i had apparently forgotten.
BingoBoingo: I remember reading the original mice and men piece on Trilema and thinking "I gotta start fixing myself"
mircea_popescu: that's impressive!
BingoBoingo: 5 years later and I'm still working on it
mod6: evenin'
BingoBoingo: evenin mod6
mod6: I'm just sitting over here, pondering The Foundation monthly address...
BingoBoingo: Anyways, with the blog business I have resigned myself to the medium's resistance to my filling it. Treating the blog as a notebook that I happen to let others read (A habit I have been suggesting Latinas mulling the blog hobby adopt) I accept there is no shame in rewriting.
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
BingoBoingo: I can't effectively read anything without having reread it first, and I can't write pieces over 300 words without needing to rewrite them.
mircea_popescu: hey, forum forces changes in people ; i used to do multiple articles/day (even have days with 12+!) ; nowadays do maaaybe two a week. it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: start with a theoretical idea of blog, resign to how it practically works.
mod6: Also, I finally ate the whole block chain again with my node; it's currently syncing the final ~2000 blocks. Should be back up and running fully in the next day or two. Yes, totally got a full back just in case.
BingoBoingo: With some low stakes matters like the cannabis piece I trust myself to do the rewriting, hence the long turn around time. For a piece on Republican doctrine, the republic's gotta weigh in on a draft
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw i believe bansky makes a way the fuck better example than weev.
BingoBoingo: And one thing that clicks off and on with me is how very much Qntra as a herald and wire service is very much not a blog
mod6: (noad running with mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch + mod6_phexdigit_fix.vpatch (reground, not yet posted because keccak) + asciilifeform_whogaveblox.vpatch
mod6: (alf's patch reground onto phexdigit -- for my peronsal use only at this point)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Banksy is as best as I can tell unrepentant Pantsuit scum working for USG.blue
BingoBoingo: I use weev as the example for the tragedy of him having touched the republic and missed the point.
mircea_popescu: how do you reason ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, sure, i can see the oedipian tragedy of weev.
BingoBoingo: Banksy is pop culture
mircea_popescu: what's what mean ?
BingoBoingo: He did an intro for the Simpsons
mircea_popescu: lmao. so if i ever go on 60 minutes i'm banned ?
BingoBoingo: If you go on 60 minutes, I assume you are going to have them read the articles of surrender while the girls affix their cock cages
mircea_popescu: well yeah but i mean... so he was on simpsons. i dun see the logic.
mod6: lol bombing me with bastards
mod6: 404 of them :D
BingoBoingo: As best as I can tell banksy does this vague anti-capitalist, anti-fascist schtick to much pantsuitist adoration while a substantial number of nytimes-ish media folk seem to be in on the seekrit
BingoBoingo: I just have trouble seeing what is supposed to make banksy cool
BingoBoingo: As opposed to another john oliver turning parody into cancer
mircea_popescu: you read http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-banksy-painting-self-destructs-london-20181006-story.html sorta thing in the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761410 MATTERS!!! vein ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 02:47 Pierre_Rochard: WHCD stands for White House Correspondents Dinner, where journalists go to pretend like they’re doing shit
BingoBoingo: I do
BingoBoingo: mod6: That is my present residential ip
mod6: oh. huh
mod6: maybe i just caught a bad run from ya
mircea_popescu: it's true nobody but ny outfits with ~0 readership or influence a la http://trilema.com/2017/party-monster/ ever mention it. but it seemed to me more the case of "look at st james' desperation to pretend like he's hanging on" than any sort of active pushing.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that line, i recall putting the dork's current fake media effort in the logs at some point, for the 0 readers 0 anything lulz.
mircea_popescu: now i can't even find it anymore. talk about fade-out.
BingoBoingo: I'd take banksy a lot more seriously if he caught the bad side of the feds, won on appeal, touched the republic, then decided he could stack his own chairs just fine as he proceeded on his moon mission ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, for the midden diggers : that "club kids" crew actually invented the pantsuit. yes it's true hilary stwart wore it on tv before going to jail, so it became popular with her fat old white women crowd. but before she could wear it, someone had to make it -- and they did. "here, this is the unitard. This and a hat was basically the whole thing. You can get different hats and I guess paint your face to look differe
mircea_popescu: nt")
mod6: lmao
mod6: *snort*
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at mp compound, "martha stewart is the one with the conviction and the late night cable tv infomercials. hilary clinton in the one with the failed bids to everything" "you seriously expect me to distinguish these two ? how ?!"
BingoBoingo: Martha Stewart lost by partnering with Kmart, Clinton lost by being a loser all on her own
mircea_popescu: well, she partnered with "i was in the situation room!!!! SITTING THERE!!!! WHERE WERE YOU >?!?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo: In 2003 between my junior and senior years of highschool I wrote a piece of music that my computer compiled only for the faggot running the concert to butcher my short biography at the time. http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_International_Mix.htm
BingoBoingo: That was 15 years ago.
BingoBoingo: New York has done nothing in the interim to redeem its city or its people
asciilifeform knows what orig pantsuit was, but always pictures it as a sort of jumpsuit, no arms, zips up all the way at the nose , leaving only eyes exposed, gigantic pants
mod6: that's a bodybag.
asciilifeform: lol!
mod6: similar
asciilifeform: moar like 'reddit bag'
mod6: hah
asciilifeform: face visible, so you can sorta tell the occupants apart
BingoBoingo still laments the lack of reddit bags off shore as I go to visit the harmonics lab
BingoBoingo: <mod6> CALL 1-900-PANT-SUIT RIGHT NOW TO ORDER YOURS! JUST FIVE EASY INSTALLMENTS OF $12.99! ORDER NOW AND GET AN ENTIRE SECOND UNITARD OUTFIT, FREEEEE!!!!111 << mod6 you would be amazed the things they let people finance here in 18 monthly payments
BingoBoingo: like sneakers
asciilifeform: btw BingoBoingo i've conceived of a land-based use for reddit bags : stick a valve stem on'em and you have a coupla wks of fuel..
mod6: lol. i was buying a fishing pole in Show Low the other week... a guy put an 870 on the counter for "Lay-away". I was kinda blown away that still existed.
asciilifeform: ( for 1burner stove )
asciilifeform: mod6: mossberg??
mod6: rem
asciilifeform: that's, what, a 300 $ piece ?
BingoBoingo: And 870 when I left was anywhere from $250 to $1500
mod6: used to be... now probably like 700-800 maybe.
asciilifeform: then again, i saw 80 $ desk lamp being advertised 'layaway'
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu saw calendar in egypt, ditto
BingoBoingo: In Uruguay a 300 USD shotgun sells for at least 650 USD
asciilifeform: nuts
mod6: anyway, i guess thats not very redic. i just had it in my mind that a man comes in to buy shotgun. pays, leaves with shotgun. doesn't do very much good if it's still at the store when you need it.
asciilifeform: it's a ~musket, not exactly high tech
mod6: BingoBoingo: I believe it. It's probably hard to aquire firearms down there 'eh?
asciilifeform: i suppose still made in usa, accts for the price
BingoBoingo: mod6: Still easy by Latin American standards by the book. Easier off the book per the traditional methods.
mircea_popescu liked ny, but that was more in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_International_Mix.htm#Aaron_Rogier << keks.
asciilifeform: i do recall BingoBoingo mentioning his musical days
BingoBoingo: For the record I played euphonium in high school, have no idea how a saxophone works
mircea_popescu: close enough, kek
BingoBoingo: Anyways it is amaxing the things that can be had in Uruguay. The grow shops are sitting on piles of borosilicate glass and pointy pieces of titanium because the Uruguayos can't roll good joints and see no reasons to explore alternatives.
BingoBoingo: Yet, try looking for RAM and all of a sudden its fucking junkyard wars
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if its for yer human lappy, say what type and i'ma mail you some wrapped in birdcage liner
asciilifeform: (if its for opterons, fughet it, hard enuff to get ~here~)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the lappy has more ram than I can use
BingoBoingo: At this point I do a lot of pre-emptive shopping
mod6: Good call. Grab that stuff if you see it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if anyone wants a PPC machine colo'd in Pizarro feel free to inquire. There's not a deep market, but there is one.
asciilifeform: bigendian tester !
BingoBoingo: G3 and G4 apple portables do pop up for sale here
mod6: can do sparc64 bigE too, probably find even 1U box
BingoBoingo: Looked, apparently Sun Microsystems never shined this far south
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: mod6: they're a dime a dozen here, but not rally worth cost of transport
asciilifeform: *really
asciilifeform: less horse than rk
asciilifeform: (while eating 200-400 watt )
BingoBoingo: My back
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i meant , from gringolandia
BingoBoingo: My back's memory is pretty sure a kitted out Sun Ultra 80 will fail to meet the checked bag weight
mod6: hanbot: Still have interest in an offical Co-Chair seat for the Foundation? ☟︎
asciilifeform: eh they aint anywhere near the limit
asciilifeform: minitower.
BingoBoingo: Tower, but mini for odd deinfitions of mini. Lots of sharp plastic too
asciilifeform: ( i was speaking of the 1us tho, they weigh ~same as our boxen )
mod6: hanbot nicoleci: Thanks for your hard work this month to get the Toll Free Number setup and going (asciilifeform too). I expect if hanbot were to take an offical Co-Chair seat, she could lead the outreach inititive.
asciilifeform: one time i was offered entire pallet of'em, iirc 10bux/ea. passed.
asciilifeform: fella had sgi's also.
mod6: iirc mircea_popescu said we could even have three chairs(?) might be mis-remembering that (may have to log-dig for that). I'd be happy to continue doing my role with a TRB focus, or I could step down officially and just keep doing TRB stuffs without the fancy title.
mod6: (I bring this all up now, as I want to announce that hanbot and nicoleci are now helping out with the outreach and phone number -- and if there are going to be possible new chair, or added chair, etc)
mod6: oh, ok here's that thread: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856638 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 16:30 mircea_popescu: ~then~, after that gets established, one can step down, add another, and so on. like a steps process, with continuity and everything.
BingoBoingo: Also December 7, 8, and 9th will be the expocannabis Uruguay. I plan on going there in a recon capacity, if anyone else is looking for a very Uruguay reason to visit Uruguay, that would be the weekend to come on down. ☟︎
BingoBoingo trying to find explanations other than hunger and misplaced optimism for why borosilicate and genetics sell cheaper here than they do in the US
BingoBoingo: Maybe there's a suitcase courier network I missed out on in spite of more than half a year in a hostel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's glass, can be made anywhere
asciilifeform: ( and who's to say that borated. can entirely be ordinary. )
BingoBoingo: Enthusiastic impact tests by store proprietors support borated
BingoBoingo: And though glass can be done anywhere, like most things it requires skill and discipline which forces China as a source
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news 2 kilos of meth per person cuffed, moving up in the world https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/incautaron-10-kilos-de-metanfetaminas-y-hay-cinco-brasilenos-detenidos-2018102922040
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( and who's to say that borated. can entirely be ordinary. ) << To be clear doping glass is borosilicate because dopers are clumsy when doped. Because dabbing is apparently a thing now titanium means titanium when it comes to dope tools that get heated. Otherwise metal not specified means Zamac, and Aluminum usually means Zamac, because that's what the first A in Zamac is for
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo brazilians tho.
BingoBoingo: Sure, better people
BingoBoingo: They got trusted with the job of converying product to the local neighborhood dope warehouse forts
BingoBoingo: Kinda curious what the police mean by a kilo of hashish considering that's a substance which has gone through some reddit "we R innovators" stuff in the past five years
BingoBoingo: Welcome back phf
BingoBoingo: And in local butthole surfing https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/solo-14-de-los-uruguayos-ve-con-buenos-ojos-el-triunfo-de-bolsonaro-segun-equipos-20181029194848
BingoBoingo eagerly awaits family tree showing common ancestor shared by Emperor Dom Pedro II and Bolsonaro
mircea_popescu: "ve con buenos ojos" ?! whgat the fuck nonsense is this
BingoBoingo: It's the sort of monkey noises I can't escape
mircea_popescu: as fucking if, these morons trying to "write the news" as per 1980s usg.blue recipes. what are they, stuck with old magazines in an outhouse or something ?
BingoBoingo: Yes, and they try to use "poetic license" as they do it
mircea_popescu: schmucks.
BingoBoingo: And they became the paper of record because El Pais adopted still more user hostile web design turd traps into their pages
BingoBoingo: Thankfully Uruguay is a small country and I am young. They will not like it, but because I am young I have time to spend in the pursuit of lifting them.
BingoBoingo: They will surely squirm and I will have to rehab my left shoulder several times. But I will lift them.
mircea_popescu: committed huh ?
BingoBoingo: I desperately need higher purpose in my life. Gloria the Peruana adores me so much it is ridiculous. My sex life offer no resistance in the medium. Pizarro is a struggle and I pursue that among peers.
BingoBoingo: By contrast the Uruguayos...
BingoBoingo: I come from a simple people
BingoBoingo: These are a simple people
BingoBoingo: And yet they could not be more alien
BingoBoingo: I hate much about them
BingoBoingo: And they hate the idea of me while loving and embracing the actual me
BingoBoingo: Bitches yelling in the street this morning against Bolsonaro swoon when I say "Make Brasil and Empire Again"
BingoBoingo: As a socially maladjusted fringe figure the Republic has lead me to living in a puzzle playground that fascinates me so incredibly much
BingoBoingo: As I curse the undead zombies that doom me to walking the beach in the wee hours all by myself because a country with a car ownership rate near zero somehow managed to not adopt sane pedestrian customs
BingoBoingo: This country is a god damned emotional see-saw and I don't know if I can quit it
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=70 << Bimbo.Club - What I wish I knew a month ago.
BingoBoingo: But if I do, it will probably be like that time you moved to Argentina, thought you would go for citizenship, and left only to swear your next visit would be to put every single head on a pike
BingoBoingo: And... my rant got upstaged by the escapee from the shittier part of Illinois. Well played nicoleci
mircea_popescu: well... not bad.
mircea_popescu: may your efforts be fertile!
mircea_popescu: ahahah btw, thart's fucking genuine. bitch abandoned her car where they shot some people, ended up suspected perp/victim in multi-homicide.
mircea_popescu: SERIAL KILLER BIMBO FTW!
BingoBoingo: lol, did she really just cut the family out of her international move?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, some weird drama. i guess fambly figured they owned her or soemthing.
mod6: drama
BingoBoingo: Anyways, after spending more time here I went from seeing contrasts versus Argentines on landing, to similarities to Argentines during the time ben_vulpes was here, to now accepting the Uruguayos are weird and alien in a way that makes the Argentines look like hill billies
BingoBoingo: Do you still have the traffic stop set up at the foot a castle Popescu?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I guess next time sell the car? Trade it for a pnoHe and then sell the pnoHe in destination?
BingoBoingo: In still other anyways, where I am today I see the endgame where Pizarro survives to Profitability; I continue Qntra and other writing/social engineering, and gardening someting other than container chives while a republican colony settles down in this Martian hellscape wouldn't be a bad play.
mod6: that trb mars-lag tho
BingoBoingo: Eh, I only shit hundreds of blocks at you out of short lag mis communications
mod6: :D
BingoBoingo: Who knows maye 10 years down the line I catch up to the log summaries and manage to stabilize a cannabis cultivar that gives a pleasant head rush with minimal stupids and sedation in contrast to Pantsuit fad pressure dab shit.
BingoBoingo: We live in [current year] and [soon to be current year] is ahead of us
mod6: i like this whogaveblox
mod6: preach
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell danielpbarron are you still alive and doing alright?
mircea_popescu: !Xsell 1.5bn 48 9.5k wFF q0
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004 created by mircea_popescu: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (47 hours)
mircea_popescu: let's give this thing another try ; same riders as b4.
mircea_popescu: mod6 BingoBoingo ^
mod6: hey hey!
mod6: trying to see how to bid on this thing
mod6: BingoBoingo you know how?
mod6 rtfms
BingoBoingo: !Xhelp
auctionbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Your documentation for auctionbot is notably missing how to bid ☟︎
mod6: yeah, not sure if I'm supposed to !Xbuy or not
mats: my blog post is still forthcoming, just delayed a couple weeks. chinese class is picking up a bit, so i've been focusing my attention there
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'd expect !Q to !X mapping, so !Xbid
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give lobbes 24 hours to confirm before submitting to assumed mapping ☟︎
mircea_popescu: sure.
mod6: I'll fire in a bid
mod6: !Xbid 1004 1.5bn
auctionbot: mod6: Eggog: Your bid is too low. Opening bid is 1.5bn, you bid 1.5bn ☟︎
mod6: XD
mod6: !Xbid 1004 1500000001 ☟︎
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004: 9.5k wFF q0 Heard: 1500000001 from mod6. Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (47 hours 39 mins)
mircea_popescu: top keks
mircea_popescu: sooo is archive.is dead nao ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in incomprehensible lulz, https://galacticconnection.com/recognize-characteristics-reptilian-possessed-hybrids/
BingoBoingo: So... the author is saying Sarah was a crocodile
BingoBoingo still awake trying to ponder Wtf is up with Banksy
mircea_popescu: noooo-body knows!
BingoBoingo: The more I look into Banksy the more spam filters he hits
BingoBoingo: I am going to lay down and try to sleep more confused and scared than I have been since February, because this banksy thing is some serious boogeyman shit
mircea_popescu: lmao what now
diana_coman: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867369 -> there's something I don't get here: if A xor D xor F xor H = 0 then this imposes F xor H = A xor D and so you'd need to substitute that everywhere else because F and H are not anymore free to be whatever or the initial a xor d xor f xor h won't hold anymore; more precisely: further down the line for instance at W(2) that F xor H is in fact A xor D so A does actually still appear, ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 23:13 asciilifeform: if you have d,f,h, such that a == d xor f xor h ( or if you like , a xor d == f xor h , or a xor d xor f == h , it's transitive) then a term disappears from the eqn
diana_coman: no? (specifically, W(2) = (RL11 (XOR C (XOR A D) (RL11 (XOR B E G (RL11 (XOR A D F H #9e3779b9 0)) #9e3779b9 1)) #9e3779b9 2)) )
diana_coman: the above is what I meant earlier by the effect of A (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867350) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 22:56 diana_coman: basically I get http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867091 BUT can't yet follow it to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867092 mainly because it seems to me that the effect of A is basically in fixing d,f,h (so that xor(a,d,f,h)=0); in short: wouldn't a change (of any number of bits) in a trigger (if imposing xor(a,d,f,h)=0 still) changes further in b-h so that the resulting key schedule is different? theoretically that would be the ration
diana_coman: in short: I am not yet able to fully eliminate A when I impose that (XOR A D F H #9e3779b9# 0)=0 ; do you actually have the re-rewritten transformations without A anywhere?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867577 << ty! fixed: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 05:08 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Your documentation for auctionbot is notably missing how to bid
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867581 << I can indeed confirm that lobbesbot's !Q command syntax maps to auctionbot's !X (e.g. !Qbid 1000 10mn == !Xbid 1000 10mn) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 05:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give lobbes 24 hours to confirm before submitting to assumed mapping
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867585 << oy. this is a minor bug (a simple "<=" instead of "<" in my coad). I'ma fix right now (auctionbot commands temporarily suspended, one second..) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 05:18 auctionbot: mod6: Eggog: Your bid is too low. Opening bid is 1.5bn, you bid 1.5bn
lobbes: okay, maintenance complete, bug fixed
lobbes: (and commands back online)
lobbes off to sit on saecular stake for 8 hours. bbl
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867432 << thinking about it, yes i agree the jew-nazi has a more colorful life story. but think about it : his entire's life work, his sum total accomplishment, is being an aide to an obscure publisher of inconsequential tracts. this is exactly danielpbarron 's position, and it ain't much. that florida beauty queen had them beat, for instance, and she had them beat a) in her 20s, while these ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 01:58 BingoBoingo: I'd take banksy a lot more seriously if he caught the bad side of the feds, won on appeal, touched the republic, then decided he could stack his own chairs just fine as he proceeded on his moon mission
mircea_popescu: are 30something men and b) while her brain's the size of a pea.
mircea_popescu: lobbes regression eh!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-126940 << for your lulz compartment. ☟︎
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the parallel is actually quite striking, yes; otherwise though, if there is ONE thing that living in several countries teaches one is that there is nothing "Romanian" , yes
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: nation of stupid.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864592 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858624 i give you... http://archive.is/mrxeg#selection-3577.0-3577.152 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-21 21:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864445 << not so, was briefly dead but then adobe released a new set after 5+ years silence and it's catching back up.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 17:45 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the point is the cannabis forum wankers essentially invented their own Monsanto in the same way Linus and the men alone invented their own Microshit
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aZuZQ/?raw=true << example of term elimination. but tbf i'm still working from the hypothesis that i must be mistaken, somewhere, and all of the keybits are conserved, and could prove this somehow...
asciilifeform: *tbh
asciilifeform: the alternative is simply too lulzy to take seriously, just nao
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'ma feed the thing into an algebratron later tonight
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so you set A to the constant so that it cancels out with that rather than "any A as long as (xor a d f h)=0"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct, i haven't found the item i was looking for, thus far
asciilifeform: ideally what i'll find is a proof that there are exactly 2**256 528byte expansions .
asciilifeform: 2nd best, is that i find the pill.
asciilifeform: i'm quite reluctant to continue with the fpgaization thing unless i can get at the former.
mircea_popescu: this makes sense.
diana_coman: for anyone following along, I can confirm I got same as mircea_popescu here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867338 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 21:54 mircea_popescu: K = 0101, P = 1110. RB = (1110), (1101), (1011), (0111). E1 = 1 x 1 x 0 = 0 ; E2 = 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 ; E3 = 1 x 0 x 1 = 0 ; E4 = 0 x 1 x 1 = 0 ; E = 0100.
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup*
mircea_popescu: now if only i managed to get these right on the first pass, stop confusing the shit out of everyone...
asciilifeform: hey i too supplied some high octane confusium with which to be confused!11
mircea_popescu: gotta build a republican chill pill plant.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867617 << this is lulzy indeed -- 'let's replace 1 hash where we dun have proof of injectivity with ~another~ where we dun even know where to start proving' ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 13:27 mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-126940 << for your lulz compartment.
asciilifeform: ( ftr i dun currently have the faintest notion re how to prove that keccak is injective )
asciilifeform: ( does PeterL ?? )
mircea_popescu: i've temporarily misplaced the discussion of "let's say what can be said", brb finding it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-11#1270344 << uncovering lulz in the process. ahh, recall back when usg thought it could BUY the republic ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-11 12:10 mircea_popescu: Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-
mircea_popescu: not enough "money" in the imaginary world for THAT, bitches!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall poor old al schwartz's reply to s.nsa ? 'if you succeed you will be killed or bought'
mircea_popescu: menalone.
asciilifeform: also a++ tautology, 'hey, y'say not killed or bought yet? clearly not succeed yet'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-16#1020689 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644151 (and of course, all skirting for http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ ) ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:45 mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 17:27 mircea_popescu: given the list of all the things that have been said already (this is really a tree, but in his perspective it's flattened into a list by nulling out all the values associated with the string nodes), his choice is :
mircea_popescu: holy shit, check that out, i found one of these for once.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so, the above : dood "wants to contribute". this want leads him through the rest.
asciilifeform: there's an imho moar pertinent mircea_popescu piece, where 'archaetypical kid made gift for mother, out of acorns and matchsticks' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
asciilifeform: ( some folx 'want contribute', but mysteriously can't be arsed to actually load open problem into head )
asciilifeform: it's perhaps excusable for a 4 y.o. kid, but is odd when from adult
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t2Mou/?raw=true << dude fucking webtard sites... who the fuck lives like this ?!
mircea_popescu: it's ~still~ not done loading!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf is that
mircea_popescu: some rando website.
asciilifeform: ... from spam log ?
mircea_popescu: some fetlife chickie.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: "I am Goddess KK I am an Interactive Fetish & Glam Model and ON pornhub and youtube! .. Bacially a Freak of Nature."
mircea_popescu: i suppose you're missing out
mircea_popescu: (she's also evidently lying about her age, tired 30yo hobag tryna pretend to right-outta-college-dom)
asciilifeform: i aint an subj expert, but don't all cheap whores market as 'fresh' for as long as it is half-possible ?
mircea_popescu: aactually... "I LOVE MY FANS XOXO I do Professional Foot Modeling, Fetish Work. I created this for exposure and business, Plus I love the Fetish World. I have experience with Photoshoots, Traveling, BDSM, PRO DOMME, Foot Fetish Services, and Foot NIght International, video editing, production, directing. I started from the ground up and am proud of the climb.
mircea_popescu: I create and sell fetish porn on clips4sale, and i create funny sexy vids on YouTube and some HOT sexy teasers ON PORNHUB. I created my website [https://www.kelllikellly.com] I am very proud of my website, i own it as well and updates soon!! CHECK IT OUT, Do it cuz it’s actually awesome and I mean hello.... I made it. Soooo Im a YoungMILF, i am independent and live a happy life. If your wanting an in person session, message
mircea_popescu: me for detials $ I also offer webcam services xooxo"
asciilifeform: kinda how americanfootballists keep playing until their legs won't carry'em
mircea_popescu: pardon the spam ; i bothered because honestly, this is paradigmatic. i dunno any pantsuits ACTUALLY exist ; but i know for sure there's millions of these rachel-hos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect roughly same dynamic as old-style spam. i.e. 'i heard others are doin' it, there gotta be moneys in it, so i'ma buy a webcam and interactivefetish kit'
mircea_popescu: i think it goes deeper than that. the fundamental, biology-based female strategy is "here i am".
asciilifeform: if man-alone dreams of 'money while sleep', fman-alone -- of 'money with dildo'
mircea_popescu: in 2010s, this "here i am" is ^
mircea_popescu: just like in the 80s, that same "here i am" was http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/
mircea_popescu: imo technology brought decay, but hey.
asciilifeform: main imho tech problem of our time, is that brekekekekex-amplifier is a penny while effective filter is a pound+.
mircea_popescu: aaahahah, "Entrepreneur at its finest, Kelli Kelly, so good you had to say it twice. Aspiring to become a Motivational Speaker and Author. Fresh and unique with uplifting energy you will feel immediately entering her presence. Kelli has a different story and comes from a very different upbringing. Her experience is what " << chick's got a linkedin too. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelllikellly/
mircea_popescu: all her friends are liek... Jennifer Best Fetish Model at Jennifer Best ; charlotte peters retired at home ; Miss T. Fetish Clip Producer, Fetish Performer, Glamour Model, Lingerie Model , Fetish Model, FemDom
asciilifeform pictures koreans pronouncing name, ends up hashing to 'beriberi'
mircea_popescu: SO GOOD YOU HAD TO SAY IT TWICE!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman answered.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, but uhm, isn't that precisely the example I give in the comment and which leads to the wrong value? this: but with the formula above it would be E(2)= P(2) xor 0*P(1) xor 1*P(2) xor 0*P(3) xor 1*P(4) = P(2) xor P(2) xor P(4) = 1 xor 1 xor 0 = 0 .
diana_coman brb
mircea_popescu: diana_coman E[2] = 1 (because P[2] = 1) xor 1 (because K[2] = 1 and RB2[2] = 1) xor 1 (because K[4] = 1 and RB4[4] = 1). thus E[2] = 1.
asciilifeform: i gotta admit that i still dun grasp how to decipher unambiguously into 1 single orig plaintext
asciilifeform: the gaussian elimination thing would work if you had add (as in with carries) rather than xor
asciilifeform: but what you have instead is addition over , if you will , galois field
asciilifeform: perchance i can provoke mircea_popescu into writing a proggy that deciphers ?
asciilifeform: ( spoiler, btw -- if you had normal addition, yer algo reduces to 'multiply P by K', it'd then be exactly my 'egyptian' multiplier )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck me, NOW i understand what you were on about yest --- E aren't THE RESULTS, but merely THE LAST BIT of a result. consequently, not actually eq system.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: what you got, is egyptian mul, with thrown out carries.
asciilifeform: they go to /dev/null, there is no way to get'em back deterministically.
asciilifeform: ( xor is == halfadder )
asciilifeform: ( 'egyptian div', btw, is pretty much exactly gaussian elimination , restated )
asciilifeform: the closest thing i can think of to a working variant of mircea_popescu's device, is where you keep the carries, and use primes... and we know it as.. rsa ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( tho the reason why rsa is based on exponentiation, rather than straight multiplication-of-'plaintext'-prime-by-seekrit-prime is that in the latter variant you could trivially extract seekrit-prime with gcd ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes if you had fast iron bignumtron, could use ordinary rsa and dispense with enigmas.
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867259 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 20:56 asciilifeform: the basic boojum is that it aint a cipher of any kind, and the ubiquitous sbox derpery is simply squid ink to obscure this. maslennikov details how he pointed this out to 1980s kgb and got sacked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree with you, this is a shredder not a cipher ; moreover -- if we for instance tried to add say crc into the message as padding, then therefore we'd be by the same hand introducing structure, ie weakness.
mircea_popescu: and i further agree with you -- it is a very strong commentary and ceiling upon the security of "block ciphers". because yes, literally, all otehrs are just this with magic-numbered RBs. which... is EXACTLY the same "introduce say crc", except hidden under so much smoke.
asciilifeform: reasonable cipher requires element that is at least a ~conjectured~ trap door (i.e. 'entry is a buck but exit is two'), e.g. exponentiation-with-primes
asciilifeform: in '16 i burned coupla months on the q of 'can haz', mainly on np-hard problems / turing-complete cellular automata, in place of sboxation. but got stuck on the 'guaranteed hard instance' boojum.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867702 <<< very much this ; whereby it's actually the case we're starting to move towards an actual completion of the fucking field. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 16:51 asciilifeform: the closest thing i can think of to a working variant of mircea_popescu's device, is where you keep the carries, and use primes... and we know it as.. rsa
asciilifeform: it's the reason for asciilifeform's lulzsubmission to mircea_popescu's 'block contest'. it wasn't even joak, it was 'rsa is the only tool in that box that i have any reason to think actually worx'
mircea_popescu: there will be no altcoin ; there will be no alt-cipher ; this is a jealous god we got here.
asciilifeform: seems like
asciilifeform: of course it is possible to come up with infinite variety of garbage ciphers that 'hey it confused me!' but imho not very useful activity
mircea_popescu: "is living of course in a state of sin"
mircea_popescu: the problem is irreducible, either you mix entropy in or you don't.
mircea_popescu: attempts to act "as if you had" will result in the above -- shredder.
asciilifeform: in '16 we trivially reduced it to symmcipher == prng == hash
mircea_popescu: and that stands.
asciilifeform: ( they're the same thing, if you had a provably working one, you get the other 2 gratis )
asciilifeform: sorta why it did not make sense to asciilifeform that people sat and 'i'ma make a hash', 'i'ma make a cipher', a good x is exactly a good y
asciilifeform: ditto prng. they're legs of triangle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's try something else. suppose key = 512 bit prime and suppose cipher works as E = P ^ K | 2^512.
asciilifeform: to make life even harder, rsa also suffers from 'can haz provably hard case' problem, there's classes of 'easy' primes, and no particular reason to think that we exhaustively know all of'em..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: multiplication with snipped off top half ?
asciilifeform: how wouldja get P back ?
mircea_popescu: exponentiation.
asciilifeform: it's the add-without-carry thing again
asciilifeform: you got a buncha intermediate addition bits that sink to the bottom of the sea
mircea_popescu: myeah. there's just no wai outs.
asciilifeform: ( in the | 2^512 )
asciilifeform: whereas if you don't throw them out, you have a reversible thing that is just multiplication, and i can gcd(p1,p2) == K.
asciilifeform: err, e1,e2
asciilifeform: ( i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867703 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 16:53 asciilifeform: ( tho the reason why rsa is based on exponentiation, rather than straight multiplication-of-'plaintext'-prime-by-seekrit-prime is that in the latter variant you could trivially extract seekrit-prime with gcd )
mircea_popescu: ayup
asciilifeform: ( the 'intuitive' cure, 'let the primes be a sequence of primes, no prime used twice' is still breakable with fermat )
asciilifeform: rsa & c-s (the latter, really a narrowed elgamal) are the only 2 oasis i know to exist in that desert.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, asciilifeform will mention that he does not believe that ecc, as seen in bitcoin, is necessarily strong -- if there's a break, we won't hear of it unless somebody is catastrophically stupid -- it is analogous to those old safes that included 10 pounds of thermite for erry pound of benjie, torch it and you lose whole thing
asciilifeform: imho bitcoin is a quite poor cryptological 'mine canary' for this reason.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: same observation arguably can be applied to errything else tho, so i'm not entirely sure it's a useful one.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, we agree on the result but not on the formula, lol; your formula says e(2)=p(2) xor k(1)*p(1) xor k(2)*p(2) xor k(3)*p(3) xor k(4)*p(4) right?
diana_coman: and then I read the rest of the log; ofc
mircea_popescu: as best i can tell -- the only options are either keep using serpent or else use some kind of recursive hash otp
mircea_popescu: like keccak(keccak(bla+salt))
mircea_popescu: diana_coman did we end up with an ada impl of mersene twister at some juncture ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes
diana_coman: for the udp tester
mircea_popescu: i suppose that could be the backup alternative then : if we end up ditching serpent, we use a rsa packet to move ~1.4kb of entropy for initializing the mt, and then use mt generated pads for a cipher.
asciilifeform: iirc you can trivially extract next-state of mt if you get 1
asciilifeform: ( and from there, whole chain )
asciilifeform: gotta point out, serpent aint dead yet
mircea_popescu: yeah ; and it'd better not be, the floor keeps crumbling underneath.
asciilifeform: in unrelated minor lulz, discovered yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865517 : ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 22:46 asciilifeform: i suspected shitfork, when realized that the 501 blox gotta be a few kB most, ea. -- my pipe couldn't disgorge 501 human-sized blox in <2sec
asciilifeform: evidently there's a number of these.
mircea_popescu: a grosse.
asciilifeform: more interestingly, there was even 1 of 10/30/18 17:05:41 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED from peer ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. it's not simply an alt
asciilifeform: but a reasonably fresh, evidently, forkism
asciilifeform: aactually strike that, CheckBlock is called prior to bastardization litmus, http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks/tree/bitcoin/src/main.cpp#L1232
asciilifeform: tests for outrageous timestamps, sad pow, mutilated tx format
asciilifeform: ( i'm not actually certain why we do this test prior to bastardism, there's 0 point running any test on a block that fails do-we-have-its-father litmus . really this is leftover logic from removal of orphanage )
asciilifeform: btw, BingoBoingo , re waaay upstack -- trb 'throws bastards' from the simple reason that it doesn't keep track of peer heights, and ~always~ retransmits any block that it gets and happily welds to longchain
asciilifeform: to errybody.
BingoBoingo: So, in local bullshit it turns out the closed Zoo still has fucking animals https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/murio-clorinda-la-hipopotama-del-zoologico-de-villa-dolores-20181030115114
asciilifeform: lolwat!
BingoBoingo: Apparently the bum encampment that is the closed Zoo actually still has exotic animals including this recently deceased hippo
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder what else they've got; maybe also a lunapark where only the employees get to ride
asciilifeform definitely tried to go to this zoo, gate was padlocked erry single day
BingoBoingo: Linked stories at the bottom suggest back in 2016 while they were still closed, some kangaroos were stolen
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/usg-communications-commisioner-advocates-centralization-and-crackdown-on-unauthorized-radio-frequency-use/ << Qntra - USG Communications Commisioner Advocates Centralization And Crackdown on "Unauthorized" Radio Frequency Use
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phunphakt -- in ye olde su, radio 'hooliganism' (as it was called) was rampant, almost rite of passage for electronics experimenters, and penalty was pretty soft by current-day reich's standards (generally limited to confiscation of the gear. which was made from junkyardwars at any rate, so not particularly big deal)
BingoBoingo: My impression is generally Soviet Union penalties post Stalin were soft compared to current Obamareich
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: largely troo. with the exception of a few speshul trainflakes kept in 'психушка' , max term of imprisonment was 15y -- for instance.
asciilifeform: to merit shooting, had to be either spy, or serial killer, or at least illicit gold dealer (1 afaik case , under hruschev)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, how about this : let K being the key n bits long (say 512), and let f(x) = 2 * K[0] * x ^ n + 3 * K[1] * x ^ n-1 + 5 * K[2] * x ^ n-2 + 7 * K[3] * x ^ n-3 + 11 * K[4] * x ^ n-4 +...+ 3643 * K[n-2] * x ^ 2 + 3659 * K[n-1] * x + 3659. f(x) will produce a pile of bits, this pile is cut in half and xored together, the result is cut in half again. one such half is returned as the prng output ; the other such half ☟︎
mircea_popescu: is cut up into as many whole chunks of equal size to K as possible and the resut of their xoring together is the new K. stateful prng.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox, at least superficially, like a ok prng (for tetris at least). but how didja get the idea that it's fit for cipher ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't, i'm just fucking about.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: to use it as a cipher i'd do a K exchange and then f(P-1) xor P = E. where P-1 is the previous message.
asciilifeform: these are very easy to make up.
asciilifeform: much moar difficult to say whether is worth anyffing.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu will now desist.
mircea_popescu: though it seems on some level this is a religious behaviour, "very easy to come up with ideas very hard to evaluate them". well... something's defo broken then! ☟︎
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, uhm, I thought that there was at least ONE thing clear: namely that "something's defo broken"
mircea_popescu: myeah.
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2632 << Loper OS - Terms -88 of the Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule in Algebraic Form.
asciilifeform: lol deedbot hates ellipsisen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman ^ still needs the elementary reduction massage, but i went ahead an' posted, in case somebody wants.
asciilifeform: if we end up not breaking the thing, it'll go straight to generating the verilog logic for the key unroller.
mircea_popescu: pure xor form. nice.
asciilifeform: still needs alge-massager to turn all the e.g. (XOR 1 b21 e21 g21 (XOR 0 a10 d10 f10 h10)) into (XOR 1 b21 e21 g21 a10 d10 f10 h10)
diana_coman: it actually helps (with following the whole thing) to see this intermediate step too (rather than just directly the fully massaged version)
asciilifeform: really, 1) flatten the tree 2) group the constants together 3) xor the constants into one 4) eliminate duplicate terms
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is wai i posted
diana_coman: aha, thank you!
asciilifeform: lemme know if any part of it dunmakesense.
diana_coman: will do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not like xor is associative, is it ?
mircea_popescu: [bit:31] = (a18 x a28 x a30 x a8 x a9 x b19 x b29 x b7 x c18 x c30 x c8 x d18 x d19 x d28 x d29 x d30 x d8 x d9 x e19 x e29 x e30 x e7 x e8 x f18 x f19 x f28 x f30 x f8 x f9 x g19 x g29 x g30 x g7 x g9 x h18 x h28 x h30 x h8 x h9) ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is, try it
asciilifeform: entirely associative, and transitive.
mircea_popescu: ah yes, obviously.
asciilifeform: an' commutative.
mircea_popescu: ok, i need to go get some sleep, this is getting ridoinculous.
asciilifeform: nighty
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw this code is actually so nice to read; and no, I don't see any trouble with it nor anything that doesn't make sense (I did have to search for some of the lisp routines but that's just my lack of lisp-fu and it was easy enough to find out what they do more clearly)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yay
asciilifeform: diana_coman: later tonight i'ma post the version with reduction
asciilifeform: ... at the end of which, we will know if all of the key bits actually appear in the expansion.
asciilifeform: which will answer the orig puzzler.
asciilifeform: we will also know if some appear more times than others, i.e. producing a nonflat keyspace.
asciilifeform: (contrary to author's claim of entirely-flat keyspace)
asciilifeform: and, if we feel like it, can apply the sboxes of http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/22/eucrypt-chapter-11-serpent/#selection-87.13307-87.14692 and produce a 100%-algebraic statement of the entire key inflater.
diana_coman will certainly read
asciilifeform: if all (a0..a31, b0..b31, ...) appear in the expansion, then serpent aint actually braindamaged in the sense originally contemplated by asciilifeform . ☟︎
diana_coman: aha; let's see
asciilifeform: ( then we can say it is only brainamaged in the sense all sboxisms are )
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mod6: Alright folks, my node is back up. And have re-added my list to the advertised republican nodes.
mod6: *my node to the list of
asciilifeform: congrats mod6