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undata: Luke-Jr: you are avoiding addressing the deeper question of whether *you* have the right to decide for the whole network what constitutes spam
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam
BingoBoingo: How is it spam if they pay tx fees?
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: the gambling front is just a way to get someone else paying the cost of bypassing Bitcoin's primary spam prevention (tx fees)
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the miners are happily incorporating the 'spam' into blocks.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: who said Bitcoin was doomed? Bitcoin has this nice system of miners to address the spam problem.
undata: Luke-Jr: what constitutes "spam" is an opinion
Luke-Jr: spam != service; fact != opinion
Luke-Jr: adlai: for me, part of this isn't so much the spam filtering, as much as it is trying to combat monoculture
adlai wonders whether it's helpful to look at the potential attacks on bitcoin as spam to be censored... or as a challenge to be accepted
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: i dare guess that much of the hostility to your 'spam filter' mod comes from the expectation that it is a 'camel's nose in the tent' for a dynamic, centrally-controlled censor mechanism. because anything short of that would simply dissipate like a fart in the wind in the face of any kind of organized resistence whatsoever.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: why? as long as it's easy to filter spam, might as well
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: 'spam' debate aside - how do you intend to filter the dice txes when the dicemeisters let go of the idiocy of reusing addrs ?
danielpbarron: "this transaction is spam because it isn't associated with a USG approved ID and taxed accordingly"
danielpbarron: spam is anything i don't like
undata: this reasoning by metaphor thing "it's spam! why? uh... because I don't want it!" is idiotic
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: you're missing Luke-Jr's point. in 20 years time he's going to simply have more aggressive anti-spam checks so that the blockchain can fit on his smart watch.
danielpbarron: this "spam on the blockchain" is only a thing because blocks go unfilled for the most part
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: basically all it does is stop your node from participating in the spam
Luke-Jr: frankly, even if it did, I shouldn't be forced to process spam
Luke-Jr: mats: you're aware 20 GB of the blockchain's 30 GB is spam?
mats: explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in the blockchain'
danielpbarron: "does transaction have fee attached?" "yes." "so ok then, it isn't spam." "no, it's still spam."
asciilifeform: 'spam like a pro in 24 fortnights!'
asciilifeform: 'dwolla' and its 'african' consonant cluster seems tailor-made to conjure up images of nigerian spam.
mircea_popescu: cazalla sems random spam
asciilifeform: jurov: not the idiot 'stop spam via taxation' scheme that everyone is familiar with, no
gernika: Man. I used to subscribe to this forum called the Micropreneuer academy. I see now that this was exactly their propsal: spam to make money while you sleep.
cazalla: soz for more aussie spam :P
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo banks at First Nigerian Bank of Spam?
mats_cd03: o ya? did spam too?
mircea_popescu: s/swarm/spam/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: cazalla: this got you kicked from twitter? << twitter is broken in that if you spam it with "complaints" it will autolock accounts. trivial to hassle anyone you feel like, and the powerless generally revel in this sort of thing.
ben_vulpes: could one spam the spammorz? flood the channel with reasonable-ish nicks?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some spam asperzing site that wants to be BTC news is hosting "awards"
mircea_popescu: ugh. what's he spam ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can we have /mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/moriarty please, all he does is join here to pm spam and then leave :P
mircea_popescu: and the usg wins anwyay, for the exact reason spam works : those five people were tied up for the five minutes they took to write and the however many it took them to consider all the angles.
mircea_popescu: mebbe ? the onle where the entire cycle of kid sees spam -> kid imagines this works because it exists -> kid tries it for a while, thus perpetuating it -> kid fails to make any money goves up -> new kid
asciilifeform: first national spam bank is best bank.
BingoBoingo: Try again, might have triggered a false positive on one of tha spam prevention measures
assbot: vpls.net spam haven - Web Hosting - Web Hosting Talk ... ( http://bit.ly/1HitkHJ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spam filter - and, aha, bayes lived long ago, likewise. mr y did not invent the moving parts. just stuck the pig head on the pole and convinced various folks to dance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only mr. spam comes close
mircea_popescu: undata somehow im still getting spam comments tho
BingoBoingo: Oh, and original resolution of the NL MVP Stanton bet ended up being right. You can have the mods clear out all of that penny sports bet baseball spam nao
jurov: mhm i got both... looked into spam?
mircea_popescu: if not, straight to spam pile.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/vEXnTjWq << best spam.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/5WCAcY6X << yet more? asking for spam?
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/yqJfwDkY << these people spam 'pastebin' now.
ben_vulpes: check your 'spam' folder - jurov's not done anything with dkim
ben_vulpes checks spam
BingoBoingo: Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now why would i want to read the "business vc" spam in the irc chat ?
asciilifeform: signed posts << incidentally, this - plus a dose of wot - is the final thermonuclear pill against spam.
mircea_popescu: decimation they prolly got a buncha spam
mircea_popescu: Just to clear the things out: we do not spam and never intended to. Perhaps in the early days of the project we sent out disturbing notifications about microdonations, but that was fixed long ago, just see the algorithm here: https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/blob/master/app/models/tip.rb#L115-L126
mircea_popescu: "We are being criticized for unsolicited email spam.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter << just happened again lol
pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter
asciilifeform when addressing colleagues, often prefixes useful tips with 'when we take up spam...'
asciilifeform: at mr. spam's shop o'spambots? or using actual meat
mircea_popescu: oakley took over a domain that seems like it was registered by some restaurant in italy, because well... spam.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'spam like a pro in 21 hours' ?
jurov: btw.. what if someone takes your chicken.asc and uses it to spam the list?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: spam control
asciilifeform: like that spam template, yes.
punkman: and the spam has begun: POST http://123.249.24.171/POST_ip_port.php => generated 797 bytes in 244 msecs (HTTP/1.0 404)
asciilifeform: spam control
cazalla: getting hit with xrumer type comment spam too since around time dos started
mircea_popescu: bounce google came up with the fucktarded idea of basically replacing their algorithm with a by-hand list (yeah, just at the top, which is like saying "just where it matters"). as a result, all sorts of shitholes like facebook, wikipedia etc are basically google spam repositories.
mircea_popescu: (the way "spam" works is you pay yahoo 100 bux or w/e, never get fglagged. dun recall right off what google is)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the reminder emails will probably get bitpay flagged for spam too
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck i keep getting spam then, hesus.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried
PeterL: sorry about the spam, I'll get it working in a different channel
assbot: 2 results for 'spam misspelled' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spam+misspelled
mircea_popescu: !s spam misspelled
assbot: 0 results for 'spam typo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spam+typo
mircea_popescu: !s spam typo
asciilifeform: well, aren't distributed as spam payloads, yes
asciilifeform: (actual exploit, generally from vulnerable browser and a habit of reading spam)
assbot: 690 results for 'spam' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spam
Adlai: !s spam
asciilifeform confesses that he isn't terribly fond of the qntra articles to date. nothing against the folks who wrote them! but because the entire 'bitcoin news' sphere - not only reportage, but the subject matter per se - is permeated with spam oil.
bounce: maybe should check some spam archive or other to see if there's secret pennystock buy recommendations pumping eurusd
mircea_popescu: hickasthieves: they want you to review your own site? <<< who was saying earlier the coindesk spam is "not from coindesk" ? Hm ?
asciilifeform: i'd like to see which one of us gets kicked off freenode first, for 'harrassing' mr spam.
asciilifeform: ^ from our friend, mr spam
asciilifeform: my favourite hypothesis re mr. spam is that he is a scammer masquerading as an incompetent usg case officer.
mircea_popescu: “This tradeoff in pingback’s design has been there for a decade now,” he said via email. “It’s seldom used outside of experimentation because it gets shut down by anti-spam providers like Akismet or web hosts when used at any scale, and there are cheaper, easier, and more effective ways to DDOS sites. That’s why no serious attacks (above 2gbps) use it.”
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/izBVjBh.png for reference, looks like that same dude who did pingback spam to trilema, at least i'm guessing
pete_dushenski: oh and my apologies for the penguirker spam earlier. i was changing hosting plans and had to rejigger the whole meal deal.
kakobrekla: >Open a ticket to unblock port 25. I got a response within an hour saying that port 25 is unblocked and they've sent me a link for some anti-spam policy. No other questions asked. You have to pay $5 per each spam email you send, but if your server was hacked, you are not responsible.
Adlai: oh nice, i even have laxo spam and a blockchain tag already
PeterL: aha, and if people spam deedbots, they get negrated
Luke-Jr: bounce: it's better than nothing, until we have a better spam filter implementation
mircea_popescu: not like it actually does anything. bout as retarded as bayesian spam filtering.
thickasthieves: fukn spam sites