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asciilifeform: the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment
asciilifeform: but was filled in the past (e.g., pythagoras)
pete_dushenski: probably one in a generation/century/millenium type of thing
asciilifeform: http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu
assbot: The Mathematics Genealogy Project - Welcome!
asciilifeform: ^ behold and quiver.
asciilifeform: (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.')
thestringpuller: if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0, make factories everywhere and have them pay the bills
asciilifeform l0lz at serenissima cult essay, where he is listed as 'expert'
pete_dushenski: so jurov, how do i transfer my s.qntra to coinbr? id by incoming btc address?
jurov: pete, just id here and pm me your acct
pete_dushenski: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
jurov: not like someone will hijack your irc just to steal qntra crumbs
pete_dushenski: today's btc pizza crumbs are tomorrow's empire!
ben_vulpes: everyone loves a live fire test
asciilifeform: google usenet search dead?!
asciilifeform: old posts load, but no way afaik to find them now.
asciilifeform: i suppose this was inevitable. the moldbug generation wants to run for u.s. office...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform you weren't supposed to read that!
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BingoBoingo: !b 4
pete_dushenski: seekrit expert is best expert
pete_dushenski: lol i meant the cult expert bit. a well
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets. << cult!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment << was shockley's transistor a cult ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one of the most cultish cults were the ancient order of pythagoreans
mircea_popescu: even had a convention to blame it all on satoshi.
asciilifeform: mentioned for this reason.
asciilifeform: sqrt(2) !
mircea_popescu: shit you said that already. nm.
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pete_dushenski: !b 5
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') << in this sense, the hungarian number = crude wot.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "you can never say only say true things" eh ?
mircea_popescu: jurov apparently he wants to tattoo it on his body too.
jurov: yea i heard it
mircea_popescu: something something magic packets something something internet funbutts.
asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.
ben_vulpes: spoilsports and haters, all of you
asciilifeform: even the successful crackpots (at least, the ones publicly known about) were never more than a few steps away from a 'trunk line' wot mentor.
mircea_popescu: question for the group :
asciilifeform: not that this is any kind of gurantee. s. ramanujan is a tragic figure for a reason.
mircea_popescu: if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ?
asciilifeform sizes up for 'spoilsports and haters, all of you' tatoo
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well, that's embarassing...
mircea_popescu: not that many penises around long enough for that. maybe if in chinese script ?
mircea_popescu: end up with "dogsons of broken soup bowl" or something.
asciilifeform: microdot.
pete_dushenski: qr code
pete_dushenski: or base58 hash
mircea_popescu: pubic qr codes, with porn in them
mircea_popescu: that's happening.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0 << srsly, you too ?!
asciilifeform: at the risk of bringing everyone back to childhood msdos 'hello world': what's the smallest bitwise recognizable porn?
asciilifeform: any encoding.
mircea_popescu: ( . ) ( . )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? < b
BingoBoingo: P
asciilifeform: 8=>
mircea_popescu: that's not long enough to be porn
BingoBoingo: 69
mircea_popescu: also it's spelled 8==D
asciilifeform: nope, that's a sapper's spade.
mircea_popescu: my point exactly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00072836 = 10.197 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Gotta dig out all of those panty mines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo owns a sapper spade?
asciilifeform: there's an american firm, iirc, that makes passable copies of the classic ru one
mircea_popescu: summary of pete_dushenski last piece : "cult member casually examines the possibility of being in a cult, comes back negative."
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-4498 << saf is on a roll atm. loving these comments
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ayup.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have two poor quality "trenching tools" have a strong preference for actual shovels though.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: avoid the ones with folding handles.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that means it's still working, neh?
mircea_popescu: lol fishy smell
BingoBoingo: Oh, how I've learned that, worthless for unburying potatoes
mircea_popescu: tuna doesn't smell like fish!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: look at Detroit: high taxes, city is crumbling - Detroit Suburbs: lower taxes, flourishing
pete_dushenski: tuna smells like moose?
mircea_popescu: PeterL you don't understand how the world works!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tuna doesn't smell. everything else does.
PeterL: enlighten me?
asciilifeform: amines.
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's an expression, referencing the case when putin handed obimbo's butt to him for the nth time and the english propaganda yelled "putin doesn't understand how the world works!"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. << Depends on the size of field, and on whether or not portage enhancers are available
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well if i came back positive in my assessment, i'd send myself down the post-partum path. wasn't really in the mood for that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: knapsack.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski better question for your next one : is being a libtard a cult ? how about dating, is that a cult ?
mircea_popescu: plenty of cults abound!
asciilifeform: 'is it still a cult if the comet is parked in orbit and the magical juice will take you there?'
asciilifeform: ;;google treason never prospers for the reason
gribble: Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharrin117920.html>; Treason - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason>; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)>
mircea_popescu: PeterL use example, dude tries to open a door by bashing his head against it. bystander "that's not how you open doors" other bystander to first bystander "you don't understand how the world works!"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu not sure about dating but libtardism, scientism, nationalism... examples are endless
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: knapsack. << When restricted to a knapsack I dunno that digging anything bigger than a hole to bury turds should be a bigger priority than evading the force restricting you to a knapsack
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: man with sapper spade can entrench himself in less than an hour.
mircea_popescu: and dig his own grave in ~2.
jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot
assbot: Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: dig his grave << they usually give you the spade.
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah, "the hungarian number"
BingoBoingo: <jurov> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot << My two math professors in Undergrad were a 3, and a Nope
assbot: Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: what's a 'nope' ? never published at all?
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ quoth pete_dushenski the acolyte :
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never published anything co-authored, because he was in a weird niche
mircea_popescu: Then, as always happens when one is freed from the banality of the familiar, I found myself with some spare time during a vacation in Mazatlán. Then, there, just like that, the pieces began falling into place. I actually sat down to read the #b-a logs and there I saw conversations unfolding before my very eyes that gave context to Trilema, that gave context to Bitcoin, and that were were so tearfully, blessedly, beaut
mircea_popescu: ifully over my head that I couldn’t read anything else for weeks. As someone always hunting for an intellectually challenge, I’d never seen anything even remotely like #b-a. At once technical, philosophical, political, and outrageous, it was like a gift wrapped for someone else, and yet just for me.
asciilifeform has seen 'anything even remotely like #b-a.' but they're all dead.
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
mircea_popescu: i has seen idem, idem.
pete_dushenski accepts mircea_popescu's pat on head
pete_dushenski: graciously!
asciilifeform: when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat?
BingoBoingo had in addition to math prof with Erdos of nope, an econ professor with an office in the loft of the campus's old barn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop trying to break things and write me an email.
asciilifeform hopes he isn't the only one to get the ref
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? << I have a feeling this is like weaponized bitcoind, if you have it best to keep it concealed
mircea_popescu: "The new Foundation, the new deeds system, a real Bitcoin news site, and more" << only the stuff of the past month gets a mention because the previous stuff is so ingrained by now it's like a skin.
mircea_popescu: typically cultish behaviour.
pete_dushenski: salience!
mircea_popescu: shit fuck piss motherfucker and tits! this bastard called me insane! YOU DARE SAY INSANITY OF OUR PRODUCTIVE INSTITUTION ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: METEORS!
mircea_popescu: what was that oglaf with "god is on their side" btw ?
BingoBoingo: oglaf needs better indexing
ben_vulpes: <******> as long as there are tools, there will be people using them poorly << i give up
pete_dushenski enjoys watching his 3k word epic unfold in real-time
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/
assbot: Assorted Fruits of Wrath
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo totally.
ben_vulpes: people cannot be saved form themselves.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who said that ?
ben_vulpes: he's not in a logged channel, i'll refrain from sharing his handle.
ben_vulpes: nobody who's ever been in here though.
mircea_popescu: !up girevik
mircea_popescu: ah kk.
mircea_popescu: ima steal it then, to me it sounds like something i'd say.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34785 @ 0.00072886 = 25.3534 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: i bring this elk in tribute
mircea_popescu: "He’s one of the most masterful wielders of words" << you got a ways to go foxy! check out pete's offerings!
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pete_dushenski: !b 2
mircea_popescu: so i was with this chick earlier, her parents had the weird idea of calling her Modesty
mircea_popescu: and she was all "oh mp what a great cock you have!"
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin' for the record.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You've got a reply http://qntra.net/2014/11/commissioner-mark-wetjen-cftc-would-have-authority-to-bring-enforcement-actions-against/#comment-1353
assbot: Commissioner Mark Wetjen: "CFTC Would Have Authority To Bring Enforcement Actions Against.. | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: shit comment index at 1.3k already ?
mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy.
BingoBoingo: Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what that dude's saying.
BingoBoingo: I think maybe it's a spambot that saw a word and forgot to link to Ugg boots or Nike's
BingoBoingo: Or there's a wild markov chain
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im gonna have this read weekly in the harem, outloud. just ftr.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu don't twist my words now
pete_dushenski: the point of this wasn't to pump your fucking tires
pete_dushenski: god knows you need that like penguins need more snow
mircea_popescu: ;;google chubby checker
gribble: Chubby Checker - The Official Site: <https://www.chubbychecker.com/>; Chubby Checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubby_Checker>; Chubby Checker - Biography - Singer - Biography.com: <http://www.biography.com/people/chubby-checker-9542332>
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe you need to consider whose ego you stroke, before you go a stroking an ego...
mircea_popescu: the stroking of the ego brings monsters.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu anyways, i look forward to seeing it acted, off-script, next time i'm in town
mircea_popescu: it's a harem not a bordello yo!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy. << why? ~_~ you technically willed it's existence.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i can still be pissy!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu we obviously have different ideas of how a harim should work ;)
mircea_popescu: lol do tell
BingoBoingo wonders if pete_dushenski did his turkish homework yet
jurov: pete, our resident pimp
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu what's to tell? acting, staging, and memorizing are not optional.
pete_dushenski: basic skillz
pete_dushenski: every bit as useful as a sense of humour and a second language
mircea_popescu: actually bellydancing's a basic skill.
mircea_popescu: and rope escape.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo i won't say my homework's done just yet
pete_dushenski: and swallowing. cyanide or otherwise
mircea_popescu: (you think tying a chick down is easy ? try it sometime! it;s fucking impossible if you're determined not to hurt her)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu big hands help here
pete_dushenski: you can use one of yours to hold down two of hers
mircea_popescu: i don't mean that part.
mircea_popescu: if you're talking slavegirl, you can just order her to move around as needed. but still it's not trivial.
mircea_popescu: few hours' practice with this will make pretty much any western film involving tying anyone unwatchable.
mircea_popescu: that "put some rope on them, they're imobilized now" convention doesn't really work irl.
pete_dushenski: tie indian to traintracks, etc.
mircea_popescu: western i mean as opposed to japanese.
mircea_popescu: !up csshih
csshih: sup
mircea_popescu: not much.
BingoBoingo: csshih: What's your online retailer again?
csshih: illumn.com
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "an efficient means to an ends"
BingoBoingo: hx
BingoBoingo bookmarks site, because x-mas is coming in 4 months or some shit
jurov: lol one and half
mircea_popescu: two weeks!
csshih: haha
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu scrap "efficient" ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fix the an plural.
pete_dushenski: now "an efficient mean to an end"
mircea_popescu: uh
pete_dushenski: means!
mircea_popescu: still dun sound right. means is like police, plural only.
pete_dushenski: one end... many means
jurov: no it's actually effervescent mean
mircea_popescu: it'd be pretty rad if people were like "and then this single polic jumped me"
pete_dushenski: historical footnote, "police" was the first word i could actually spell other than my own name
bounce: such law abidement
mircea_popescu: i am surprised you could spell your own name
mircea_popescu: i still can't.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i can spell your name, just can't pronounce it!
pete_dushenski: nfi how long it took me to spell my surname
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: i imagine indian kids have it the worst. i've seen some pretty gnarly shit.
pete_dushenski: though my grandpa got a kick out of my counting to 10 in romanian this weekend. correct pronounciation and all :D
mircea_popescu: o hey wd.
mircea_popescu: so then ce in mircea, ce in zece, same ce.
asciilifeform: achtung mircea_popescu. broadcast in.
mircea_popescu: nicht gefingerpoken!
asciilifeform: mittengrabben.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol i learned it auditorally so spelling wasn't a problem
bounce: relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten!
BingoBoingo: Uber discriminates in the worst way http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/11/04/uber_price_surging_on_halloween_does_it_take_unfair_advantage_of_drunk_people.html
assbot: Uber price surging on Halloween: Does it take unfair advantage of drunk people?
jurov: bounce, die blinkenlichten
jurov: it's plural
bounce adds a [sic] and a (whoosh)
jurov: or maybe something else, as it's akuzativ
bounce will now out throw jurov and kick him anderswhere!
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: arschloch!
asciilifeform: schweinhund.
asciilifeform: hande hoch!
asciilifeform exhausted his deutsch
mircea_popescu: poloch!
mircea_popescu: die kanonenkugel macht ein weit grosseres noch!
asciilifeform: eh everybody knows that one.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: frederiiiicus reeex...
jurov wirft eingige mozartkugeln and mircea_popescu
jurov: *einige
jurov: *ans
asciilifeform: lukschen kugel.
mircea_popescu: unser artillerie hat ein vortrefflich kaliber!
bounce: wir sind vom idiotenklub/ und laden herzlich ein/
mircea_popescu: ;;google idiotenclublied
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: no fucking wai.
bounce: google is just too SMRT
jurov: ;;google idiotenklublied
gribble: No matches found.
jurov: ;;google idiotenklub
gribble: Smith & Smart - Idiotenclub - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c6azSMGmOw>; IDIOTENCLUB - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/user/IDIOTENCLUB2>; omas idiotenclub - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW3Fic2OoM>
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: http://griechenmaedchen.jimdo.com/liedgut/das-idiotenclublied/
assbot: Das Idiotenclublied - na wenn das so ist, dann prost!
mircea_popescu: well it does exist upon digging
asciilifeform: obligatory: tigerfibel.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/#comment-4505 << lol thestringpuller calls out the cardano!
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
asciilifeform: give the man his money back.
asciilifeform: oh wait
ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`611 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: Who seriously knew last year's ship date was a distraction while a whole fucking factory was being built in the swamp?
ben_vulpes: who knew indeed
asciilifeform: more of a phactory.
ben_vulpes: phuctory!
pete_dushenski: potty mouth
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo this is a good point
BingoBoingo: But, still. Did asciilifeform actually reinvent the Luer lock, or was S.NSA working on darker magic already? These are the mysteries to be unveiled after the war is won.
asciilifeform: luer lock off the shelf!
punkbot: [trust-update] added: johntraveller
asciilifeform: ferglubssake, i write the broadcasts, does anybody read'em?
BingoBoingo: Of course they get read. It's just... luer lock being a thing with a name I could have swore was the rare s.nsa detail that in the statement could have been shelf pointed to sooner if more transparent.
asciilifeform failed to parse above
BingoBoingo: Still, starfish virginity is a concern
asciilifeform: еггог!
mike_c: http://tomtunguz.com/cooley-valuation-data/
BingoBoingo might have switched to write only mode. spent the morning driving distances. Brain is still recovering.
mike_c: bezzle money is cheap
pete_dushenski: thai time. later!
jurov: reddit police noticed the bitcoin foundation
jurov: if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed
asciilifeform: but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed?
ben_vulpes: jurov: did anything happen?
ben_vulpes: how did cloudflare respond?
jurov: i dont have cloudflare but aws. nothing really happened, it just paints nice graphs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? << You forget the most dangerous police variety in most US states, the fish and game cop.
BingoBoingo: They almost always get to presume probably cause in search
ben_vulpes: oh.
asciilifeform: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/405686 << re: ancient mircea_popescu thread
assbot: [3.13.y.z,extended,stable] Patch "sparc64: Fix FPU register corruption with AES crypto offload." has been added to staging queue - Patchwork
ben_vulpes: sorry i mean cloudfront i think
ben_vulpes: almost too tired to think
jurov: yes cloudfront... but they seem to unable to sustain even their feeble attempts
jurov: going to sleep..goodnight!
ben_vulpes: tee hee. amuse.
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/alex-from-target-was-a-fake-marketing-ploy-1654748438 << Case study in "social" "media"
assbot: Alex From Target Was Just a Marketing Ploy :(
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> oh wait << omfg stan sarcasm ?
decimation: BingoBoingo: I hear from folks who would know in Ohio that the most competent police there are the fish & game cops
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed <<< i imagine this sounds better in german :D
decimation: that's kinda idiomatic
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, here in Illinois they get all kinds of powers to do warrantless searches
mircea_popescu: "Teen Twitter (the most powerful force in the universe)" << really ?
mircea_popescu: what universe is that, the soda fountain ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, the which star/starlet can we push to break the cocaine imbibed by 23 record universe
mircea_popescu: anyway, gawker, nov 4th. "But it's hard to tell if anyone is even real anymore." mp, sep 13th "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."
mircea_popescu: such coincidences.
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
Vexual: hi
ben_vulpes: evening
Vexual: Ben I must thank you for getting me back on grapes
ben_vulpes: they're lovely
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> such coincidences. << Well, more than even killing Coindesk isn't a point of Qntra ending gawker?
decimation: something like: Wenn ich nicht den Alarm aufgestellt habe, würde ich es nicht bemerkt.
thestringpuller: How did gawker become "a thing"?
thestringpuller: I understand Wired. But gawker not so much.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Basically in the 1990's Nick Denton amassed a warchest of bezzel bucks. Then he hired bored housewife to stalk celebrities for initial traffic. After that sustaining gawker was a matter of keeping the bills paid.
BingoBoingo: The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation
BingoBoingo: it is important to note the present incarnation of that crowd was not sparked by HUffington, Digg, or Reddit, but in Nick Denton's constant reinvestment in Gawker media.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: verizon dns << didn't they announce that they would helpfully insert friendly cookies in your http stream?
decimation: BingoBoingo: it would be interesting to have a directory (with pictures) of those who call the shots in the media today
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu did you mean to put an "https" link for the Qntra link on the prospectus on the MPEx listing?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe once I set up a homestead in more civilized lands
Vexual: where are you going?
BingoBoingo: No idea yet.
BingoBoingo: Prolly Titan. Maybe Mars.
BingoBoingo: If Buterin's waterfall takes too long to dry prolly some land that habla Castellano
asciilifeform: decimation: unrelated. that was an ip over wireless thing
asciilifeform: decimation: this - straight redirect to spmoogle
thestringpuller: Over 60 mn Ether sold!!!! Amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually, no.
mircea_popescu: thanks for pointing out!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation << hm. sort of like anti-drudge ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Worse. Drudge didn't spend the entire 1990's getting merit washed.
mircea_popescu: !up sine
mircea_popescu: !up sinetek
BingoBoingo: lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lb0ch/a_year_ago_today/
assbot: A year ago today : Bitcoin
decimation: BingoBoingo: so he's kinda like the walter lippmann of this era?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence.
BingoBoingo: Denton writes rarely, but when he does criticizes Gawker authors for their economic liberalism.
decimation: has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not yet, will order disks this month, prolly
TheNewDeal: So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning?
asciilifeform: unfortunately is worth mentioning.
TheNewDeal: why so unfortunate?
asciilifeform: just as usg is worth mentioning.
asciilifeform: actually we had a fun occasion for mentioning c recently.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: http://qntra.net/2014/11/7th-underhanded-c-contest-going-on-now/
assbot: 7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: !s underhanded c contest
assbot: 10 results for 'underhanded c contest' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=underhanded+c+contest
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk.
asciilifeform: and mine, and his.
BingoBoingo: Don't worry everyone has until new years day to learn C and enter
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. << It's everywhere
asciilifeform: dear glub, 'learn c', k&r 1st ed. is what, 80 pages?
TheNewDeal: what in the hell does that mean?
asciilifeform: it means that even 'competent' c programmers are playing.
TheNewDeal: is it akin to what Naggum was saying on C++ , that it's too tough for people to handle?
BingoBoingo: And the hardware plays back
asciilifeform: 'too tough for people' is a poor angle. there are people who can lift a 'volkswagen.'
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev Hello devthedev
devthedev: Hey BingoBoingo
thestringpuller: devthedev: get your shares?
asciilifeform thought k&r 1st ed. was on the #b-a required reading shelf, or the like.
devthedev: Yes sir
TheNewDeal: But there's not hundreds of thousands of people going around writing "Can lift a volkswagen efficiently" on their CV
decimation: I recommend this book too http://archive.arstechnica.com/etc/books/deep-c.html
asciilifeform: ^^
asciilifeform: yes!
asciilifeform: it's a real riot.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's awrong with 2nd edition?
asciilifeform: full of bell labs c lore
decimation: yeah reading that book improved my C coding because it explained wtf was going on and why
asciilifeform: 2nd edition << bloat
asciilifeform: satan preserve us from 2nd editions.
thestringpuller: K&R is how I learned C. So no complaints.
asciilifeform: i like to call it 'koraktor'
asciilifeform: ;;google koraktor
gribble: koraktor: <http://koraktor.de/>; koraktor (Sebastian Staudt) · GitHub: <https://github.com/koraktor>; koraktor/steam-condenser · GitHub: <https://github.com/koraktor/steam-condenser>
asciilifeform: fail.
asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google
TheNewDeal: how about assembly languages?
asciilifeform: what about them?
decimation: MMIX?
TheNewDeal: not mentioned in the programming discussion
asciilifeform: sure they were.
asciilifeform: e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
TheNewDeal: I took a class that was all about MIPS, but it got over my head at the end. I was a mech engr stuck in a class of comp sci students
decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly
asciilifeform: on pdp-10.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
thestringpuller: devthedev: didn't you make a news site?
devthedev: Yes
thestringpuller: i forgot what it is
devthedev: I was planning on writing for CryptoDeck less formally, more for fun and qntra more formally but I kinda got burnt out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wind-river-security-crypto.pdf << what wind river was dinged for
thestringpuller: devthedev: I can tell. Last article published was Oct. 17. lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik they self-volunteered for gassing (for no reason i know of)
decimation: supposedly they were treated 'lightly' because they volunteered
decimation: lol they were dinged for exporting ipsec?
devthedev: thestringpuller: I may just sell it, I don't have as much time as I'd like to devote to it.
thestringpuller: what is there to sell? do you have contributors?
devthedev: Negative
decimation: tyranny - usg fines a company for exporting that which is easily downloadable everywhere. anarchy - usg pretends it cannot investigate welfare fraud
devthedev: It would be just the domain essentially.
BingoBoingo: <devthedev> It would be just the domain essentially. << Problem is the first 5 letters of the domain are too popular
Vexual: asciilifeform did you ever get you hands on one of those first ibm branded xts?
decimation: my first computer was an epson XT knockoff
thestringpuller: decimation: me too!!!!!
decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's
thestringpuller: I still have it. It's all boxed up. I just need a PS/1 keyboard but those are hard to find.
decimation: yeah this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBJKaZSg9A
assbot: Epson Apex Plus Turbo XT computer (1988) - YouTube
decimation: it was the best thing my family bought me, I learned dos, played kings quest & space quest, learned to write in wordperfect
thestringpuller: decimation: http://thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_EpsonEquity1+.JPG << that was mine
thestringpuller: ibm knockoff/clone
thestringpuller: taught me batch scripts and dos
thestringpuller: eventually qbasic
decimation: my dad had a 'real' ibm AT at work, I was impressed by the built-like-a-tank chassis
Vexual: they were quickly liberated from govenment offices here
BingoBoingo bought a Mac Classic for $10
thestringpuller: decimation: IBM keyboard's kinda rule even to this day.
decimation: yeah I use a knockoff (unicomp) myself
thestringpuller: yea I used one of those. I wanna get the one with the mouse in the middle (like on the think-pads) for my desktop.
thestringpuller: co workers hated the clicking but damn it was a slick keyboard
decimation: if you search the logs there are pointers to folks who have hardware projects that interface ibm ps/2 keyboards made in the 80's to usb
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? <<< c is really not ~that~ bad.
mircea_popescu: !up sadekjake
TheNewDeal: not as bad as the usg?
mircea_popescu: sadekjake hey there.
thestringpuller: on a scale of 0 to usg how turdified is it?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal people generally hate c++ for reasons and c by extension.
mircea_popescu: arguably c doesn't do much to help the programmer not be stupid. then again, it doesn't actually force them to be dumb. sort of like asm, and nobody really hates asm.
sadekjake: hello Mircea
sadekjake: do you see my msg?
mircea_popescu: nope.
sadekjake: i have neever used an IRC before
mircea_popescu: o.O
sadekjake: how do i send you a pm?
mircea_popescu: well, i just sent you one, should be a tab opened somewhere next to where it says #bitcoin-assets
asciilifeform: 'c' does not force man to be dumb. but hardly anyone actually gets to program in 'c.' normally folks program in c+libs
asciilifeform: libs authored by, in many cases, what can only be down's syndrome cases
decimation: a few years ago I tried to make an edit to wikipedia's 'climate change' entry. a similar down's syndrome case guards that page - immediately reverting any non-libtard edit
BingoBoingo: !up dgeats
asciilifeform: c >> obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html
assbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C
decimation: perhaps in the future it will not be so
asciilifeform: '...and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'
decimation: asciilifeform: but, that's new jersey style!
thestringpuller: decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C << unfortunately not a lot of people learn C in what you may call "computer science education" (or is so named)
mircea_popescu: !up dgeats
thestringpuller: !up Jondo
mircea_popescu: decimation you don't understand. for him, matter of life and death. that's how he eats.
dgeats: !up BingoBoingo, happy to be here
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: education << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#626237☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
mircea_popescu: haha cute one.
asciilifeform: (anyone still awake, straight to that dusty thread)
decimation: yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point?
asciilifeform: 1nf0rm4t10n t3chn0log1stz!
asciilifeform: or something.
thestringpuller: scary.
decimation: one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C
thestringpuller: much easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS
asciilifeform: the point, when there is a point, generally has nothing to do with reading
asciilifeform: mostly pure zoological revulsion at microshit
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc
asciilifeform: easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS << beg to differ.
asciilifeform: under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c
decimation: heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux
decimation: asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: http://www.colorforth.com/POL.htm " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. "
assbot: 403 Forbidden
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid.
thestringpuller: 0
decimation: ah, the good ol' stack of floppies
asciilifeform: decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is
decimation: one of my friends would call AOL every day for a free "introductory" floppy every day
asciilifeform: most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers.
asciilifeform: folks who realize this, eventually 'turn perelman'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE
asciilifeform: and we don't hear from them
mircea_popescu: motherfucking apt-get.
asciilifeform: aha.
decimation: yeah it's really really tiresome to live in someone else's fucktarded world
mircea_popescu: just....fucking....detele the file.
mircea_popescu: omg why should it be so hard.
decimation: because $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
dgeats: !up @assbot
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit with pikes.
asciilifeform: butbutbutt... it could be on a locked nfs volume! it could be on an abacus wielded by retarded child! etc
mircea_popescu: NO
decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is an interesting point. Why does every platform insist on dynamic libraries?
asciilifeform: cargo-cult imitation of real computer.
decimation: somehow Mr. Moore can write a chip-design tool in a few hundred lines of forth
decimation: yet it takes like 50 megabytes to instantiate Xeyes?
mircea_popescu: fuckthatshitomfg
decimation: yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace
mircea_popescu spazzes
asciilifeform: and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit.
decimation: but my 8088 did that running at 8 mhz in wordperfect
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300
assbot: Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds.
decimation: heh yeah that was a favorite post
BingoBoingo: ^ Macs at one point almost really were real computers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: long, long ago.
decimation: "But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. "
decimation: this is probably the most rational approach toward the modern c-machine
mircea_popescu: fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already.
mircea_popescu: we my food.
mircea_popescu: foot*
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, then they sold their soul to IBM
mircea_popescu: maybe our fucking should be all machi^H^H^H^H^H woman independent also ?
mircea_popescu: maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?!
mircea_popescu spazzes some more
asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'
asciilifeform: he was, of course, optimist
asciilifeform: often, 'after that' is something more like pistol fellatio
asciilifeform: i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally
mircea_popescu: i enjoy writing the little code i do write.
asciilifeform: that's the trick.
mircea_popescu: the enjoy or the little ?
decimation: I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree.
asciilifeform: 'little' -> 'enjoy'
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it.
asciilifeform: !s kyristor
assbot: 5 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor
asciilifeform: ^ sword in stone for unknown heroes to be born
mircea_popescu: all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is
mircea_popescu: monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology".
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies.
asciilifeform: 'technology' - just a word to them.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. << Caled it when you asked about crawling millions of urls
BingoBoingo: Next time I'll sign the hash of the prediction
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform knows of no reason why wot-search needs to crawl anything
mircea_popescu: decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly <<< this is actually pretty much it.
asciilifeform pictures wot search as a graph traversal of personal 'bookmark' collections of wot-people
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings
asciilifeform: assembly << of pdp-10. see naggum's piece earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere.
asciilifeform: extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine.
asciilifeform: so if an idiot tells you that 'c' is 'naturally close to platonic hardware' - you have my official blessing (tm) to kick his face in.
mircea_popescu: do ellaborate.
asciilifeform: e.g., translation lookaside buffer cache on intel.
asciilifeform: the page table.
asciilifeform: automatic instruction re-ordering.
mircea_popescu: decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux.
asciilifeform: (intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic')
asciilifeform: i could go on, but this could fill a book.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be
asciilifeform: an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be << Aristotle's natal cleft
decimation: in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata
asciilifeform: decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you.
asciilifeform: point is, it is possible to build electronics that are actually programmable.
BingoBoingo: turd should be legible to the .js deniers http://www.bnd.com/2014/11/04/3492961/enyart-bost-bradshaw-vie-for-congressional.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat
asciilifeform: in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time.
asciilifeform: in many ways it behaves like a non-renewable mineral resource.
asciilifeform: except, unlike petrogoodies, it is possible to get design space back just by 'wanting enough.'
asciilifeform: catch is, you have to... burn the world.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition
asciilifeform: for instance, in the '70s, when there was an understanding that a computer is purchased and comes with own os, and your own men will write literally everything else (often including os) that will ever run on it, until it goes to the scrapyard -
asciilifeform: there was a plethora of interestingly-different machine architectures.
asciilifeform: e.g., cdc 6600
asciilifeform: the lisp machines (xerox and mit branches of the evolutionary trees, different in many interesting ways)
asciilifeform: the early crays
asciilifeform: then folks began to 'depend on things'
asciilifeform: and increasingly, 'hysterical raisins' became primary justification for all engineering decisions re: computer.
BingoBoingo: Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns
asciilifeform: this is in many ways a process analogous to ordinary senescence.
BingoBoingo: Ordinary only in pathophysiology, not in affect
asciilifeform: people age, and empires - and the 'computer we know' isn't really a separate animal from the u.s. empire.
asciilifeform: there were computers once, among the people of the east.
asciilifeform: !s trinary
assbot: 7 results for 'trinary' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trinary
asciilifeform: then they decided they like w4r3z rather too much
asciilifeform: to bother with own computers.
asciilifeform: why go through the grind of developing world from scratch, they thought, when you can l33ch l33t w4r3z like a pr0 in 21 days
BingoBoingo: ANd thus began the legend of niggers.txt
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00073016 = 14.5302 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: The problem is encountering the actual mythical good is always a dissapointment.
asciilifeform: the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed
asciilifeform: ars longa, when you catch, kill, and dress the unicorn, can go after loch ness monster and many other prey.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron.
decimation: re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2014-statement/
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the franks.
mircea_popescu: "the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins.
decimation: what about 'damascus steel'?
mircea_popescu: much later.
mircea_popescu: franks are a 800ad affair.
mircea_popescu: allah had been barely invented yet
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what about 'damascus steel'? << 4 digit number of years innovation
mircea_popescu: at the joseph smith stage yet.
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel << " From the 3rd century to the 17th century, India was shipping steel ingots to the Middle East.[14]"
assbot: Damascus steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: dunno what sort of steel they were shipping in 3ad.
mircea_popescu: 300*
decimation: yeah I think it was more "steel" than steel
mircea_popescu: swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si
mircea_popescu: sand not acceptble.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention.
asciilifeform: invention - yes
asciilifeform: primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road
asciilifeform: but metallurgy - is white man's magic.
asciilifeform: protest of japanophiles notwithstanding
decimation: yeah I saw some documentary about japanese sword-making - that steel is closer to steel, but nowhere near modern quality
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road << Wootz yes, low hanging fruit. When I read Damascus though I think laminate forging process
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak,
mircea_popescu: so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people.
mircea_popescu: but zamak is still zamak.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: gotta fix those pots & pans.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's post-byzantine conquest. strictly.
decimation: the turks conquered Byzantium and then headed east?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton.
asciilifeform: see also: булат.
mircea_popescu: the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india.
mircea_popescu: it run into a hard wall at constantinople
mircea_popescu: but eventually overcame it.
mircea_popescu: (with hungarian cannons)
BingoBoingo: "Historical" Dracula
asciilifeform: !s drakula
assbot: 21 results for 'drakula' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drakula
mircea_popescu: nah, unrelated.
mircea_popescu: was some sort of columbus of metallurgy. little is known.
asciilifeform: not related at all.
asciilifeform: 'hedgehog marches in fog, with rifle on his shoulder.' 'not funny, but at least it's about the war!'
mircea_popescu: come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around
mircea_popescu: yet asciilifeform bitches about c.
asciilifeform: and gypsies worked in tin, lead, no possible zamac
mircea_popescu: tin, tin.
asciilifeform: (Al being a creature of modernity.)
asciilifeform: cannon aficionados should also think about chinese & korean leather cannon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in romanian it's how you say "base metal" generally.
decimation: http://video.pbs.org/video/1150578495/ << said documentary with a demonstration of Japanese steel-making
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asciilifeform: it was more or less guaranteed to rupture at one point, killing crew
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tatara comes from... guess ?
mircea_popescu: and they got it from... guess ?
asciilifeform: ahaha
mircea_popescu: myeah.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (Al being a creature of modernity.) << Elemental Al was accessible to ancients... at lightining strike sites
mircea_popescu: not saying they didn't get very good at it, they did.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and pure Fe, and Ir, etc. from meteorites.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: but the later easier to refine and heavier.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not much of these in actual archaeological practice, iirc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites.
BingoBoingo: A light shiny metal, Napoleon commisioned Aluminum flatware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ditto amerinds
mircea_popescu: which is why vulcan lives underground not in the sky
asciilifeform: (e.g., obsidian)
asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives
BingoBoingo: obsidian conparatively common though. Aluminum might as well have been mythiril though
asciilifeform: the ancients would've laughed at Al.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives << DO you have a budget in mind?
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: pretty damn useless metal, unless you can churn it out by the megatonne
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets
asciilifeform: didn't really shine until aeronautics made folks itch for just it
asciilifeform: helmets << spoons
BingoBoingo: Still, how many obsiadian terroist knives, at what dimension, and in what quantity?
asciilifeform: for folks outside of usa, good story re: Al: in washington d.c., there is an enormous obelisk, 'washington monument.' it is tipped with a small pyramid of precious aluminum.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin
asciilifeform: (extracted chemically at bowel-loosening expense)
mircea_popescu: which is what limited its early use
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today.
decimation: I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too
mircea_popescu: "it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this.
decimation: re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ms word much?
mircea_popescu: part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground.
mircea_popescu: i think i had wordperfect on msdos
mircea_popescu: or was it wordstar maybe ?
mircea_popescu: word-something. like coin-* today
BingoBoingo: http://www.finescience.com/Special-Pages/Products.aspx?ProductId=296&CategoryId=56&lang=en-US << Obsidian terrorist knife
assbot: Obsidian Scalpels - Micro Knives - Scalpels & Blades - Product Overview - Fine Science Tools
decimation: I distinctly remember seeing word on windows and thinking it was a huge step back from wordperfect on dos
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that particular piece was written while waiting for a locked-up msword turd on a usg slavemachine, also running mandatory usg antivirus, which wedged the disk
mircea_popescu: ah well
BingoBoingo: decimation> re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping << Flint =/= obsidian
BingoBoingo: Also premier material for shaping flint, antler
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. << /me may use for heat...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: glass scalpel << of late i have made much use of carbide cutting tools on lathe, which come with similar warnings.
asciilifeform: (brittle as all fuck, cannot tolerate lateral force much at all)
BingoBoingo: Exactly
decimation: yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade
mircea_popescu: "Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And it’s still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay.
mircea_popescu: it has time to think^H blink, damnit.
BingoBoingo: Compare to a modern blade made with powder sintered S30V steel http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/gerberapplegate-fairbairncovertautomatic-cpm-530v-378blackcomboedgeblade.aspx
assbot: Gerber 30-000137 Applegate-Fairbairn Covert AUTOMATIC - CPM-S30V - 3.78" Black Combo Edge Blade
BingoBoingo: <decimation> yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade << In an MRI tube what else can you use? Interventional radiology is lucrative
asciilifeform: time to think^H blink << 'The lights must never go out, The music must always play..., Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night, Who have never been happy or good.'
decimation: well, aluminium isn't magnetic right?
BingoBoingo: decimation, depends on magnet size
mircea_popescu: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html quoted just to make stan bleed from the eyes.
assbot: Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth - Joel on Software
asciilifeform: bled already, done
asciilifeform: tiresome wankers linked it in my comments maybe 15 times
mircea_popescu: decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet
mircea_popescu: sort-of equivalent to the moment when archimedes turned on the mirrors.
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: this actually plays out, as written, in an episode of disney's 'duck tales' i saw translated as a boy
mircea_popescu: In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't).
asciilifeform: and, unless i'm hallucinating it, in 'connecticut yankee in king arthur's court'
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i feel so dirrrrty
mircea_popescu: check me out im a quotation slut.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS
mircea_popescu: they could ship it right now!
asciilifeform: aha.
decimation: I blame fiat.
mircea_popescu: as joel well points out, we got a mental problem. no comprende como sheeping works.
decimation: it allows everyone to pass the buck up to the assignat printing press
mircea_popescu: "and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings.
decimation: writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap
mircea_popescu: that's mostly his argument.
decimation: right, the point to realize is that the market is broken
BingoBoingo: And yet... What firewall beats pf atm?
decimation: I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit
mircea_popescu: every browser was a pile of shit.
asciilifeform: pioneered the modern shitpile, yes
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the internet even stil exists.
asciilifeform: masters of turdatronics, went on to Great Things
mircea_popescu: in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: powerful idea, badly implemented by idiots.
asciilifeform: microscope.
decimation: yeah that's a scary parallel
asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.' -- your truly
mircea_popescu: decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ?
mircea_popescu: altavista ?
decimation: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: search engine yo! internet wallets!
decimation: the only reason google 'took off' was the fact that their competitors sucked
mircea_popescu: someone actually thought that "yahoo" is a sane string to associate to your busines.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking derrogatory, it's almost like calling bitcoin's media company "cunt, raw"
mircea_popescu: uh wait.
mircea_popescu: somethingelse.
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BingoBoingo: !b 3
asciilifeform: 'yahoo' << 'houyhnhnm' just doesn't have the same ring.
decimation: as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic
mircea_popescu: notrly, mosaic almost worked
asciilifeform: since we're on the subject of www,
asciilifeform: http://www.cl-http.org:8001/cl-http/history.html
assbot: CL-HTTP History
asciilifeform: ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is sad that the pauper's computers 'won' in the long run
mircea_popescu: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000019.html << ahh the good old days!
assbot: How Many Lies Can You Find In One Direct Mail Piece? - Joel on Software
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. << What, some people actually operate this way...
mircea_popescu: It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!"
mircea_popescu: anyone still know virgin atlantic branson dayton w/e his name was ?
BingoBoingo: Richard Branson?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: decimation: mallery ported it to reasonably-standard common lisps. so it did not die with symbolics corp. however, he stuck a rather asinine license on it.
decimation: mircea_popescu: he has a business model similar to bitcoin miners: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/05/virgin-galactic-seatholders-ask-for-refund-on-tickets
assbot: Some Virgin Galactic seatholders ask for refund on tickets after crash | Science | The Guardian
asciilifeform: this was not the lethal pill, but didn't help.
mircea_popescu: decimation well at least he knows how to make a small fortune.
asciilifeform: incidentally, my little birds whisper to me that he now owns symbolics tech. co.
asciilifeform: and is an nsa stooge.
mircea_popescu: see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants
asciilifeform: (mallery. not branson)
mircea_popescu: with some regularity.
asciilifeform: but similar.
decimation: wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines
asciilifeform: it's no secret what they do.
asciilifeform: run them.
asciilifeform: (or what, light cigs with them?)
mircea_popescu: deny them to the chicoms ?
decimation: deny them to everybody?
mircea_popescu: why did the barbarian conquer the roman temple ?
mircea_popescu: so the other barbarian couldn't jack off to the marbles.
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: chicoms could be stamping'em out by the megatonne this friday if they wished it.
asciilifeform: i would personally help.
mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how thw world works.
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asciilifeform: !b 4
mircea_popescu: a pitbull will still try to take your toy
decimation: chicoms for some reason just want to reproduce shitty bezzletronics
mircea_popescu: even though you can just make a fucking toy factory
mircea_popescu: with its skull.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, now that im apparently using it, wtf does chicom even mean ?
asciilifeform: china/communist
mircea_popescu: ah k
asciilifeform: vs. the other smaller one
asciilifeform: cn/tw
decimation: incidentally, there's a 2 hour podcast interview with Bil Herd of Commodore here (featuring that annoying australian): http://www.theamphour.com/222-an-interview-with-bil-herd-zany-z80-zygology/
assbot: An Interview With Bil Herd - Zany Z80 Zygology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast
asciilifeform: what mention of commodore corp. without old jack tramiel!
asciilifeform: auschwitz to cabbie to repair money to tech ceo with a brain, one of the last.
asciilifeform: (yes, auschwitz)
decimation: heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company
asciilifeform wonders if auschwitz or mit had more notable 'alumni'
mircea_popescu: jew joke nao.
decimation: according to Mr. Herd - Jack Tramiel ran Commodore with an iron fist. When he left, only derps were around to pretend to fill his shoes
mircea_popescu: " I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e
decimation: I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens
mircea_popescu: arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all."
mircea_popescu: lol. most kids today ARE coding
mircea_popescu: for the web
mircea_popescu: in .net vb
decimation: and .js!
asciilifeform: last i knew, commodore-64 still held the record for the greatest number of a particular design of computer ever built.
asciilifeform: (particular design - as in, same parts, same circuit)
asciilifeform: and this was on account of genuine popularity. no one buried these by the thousand in a desert.
asciilifeform: 'cheap and angry.'
asciilifeform: a few years later, the company tried selling what was, at the time, an 'actually nice' computer - 'amiga.'
decimation: according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer
asciilifeform: but - not compatible.
JorgePasada: Whatup nerds!?!?
asciilifeform: 'hysterical raisins.'
asciilifeform: decimation: which ipad? 1,2,3,4 ?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada nothing much.
decimation: yeah I donno
decimation: here's some text from Mr. Herd (he was the hardware engineer for the c128) http://hackaday.com/2013/12/09/guest-post-the-real-story-of-hacking-together-the-commodore-c128/
assbot: Hacking the Commodore C128 with Bil Herd
asciilifeform: c128 was arguably the beginning of the end
asciilifeform: live by the trabambourghini, die by the trabambourghini.
asciilifeform: retool for lambo after trambo - not easy.
decimation: yeah, he admitted it was 9 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag
asciilifeform: like starting life again.
decimation: in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80
asciilifeform: when i came to usa, i saw a c128 in, of all places, a toy store.
asciilifeform: still don't know how it came to be there.
asciilifeform: that was the first and last time i ever saw one.
decimation: but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers"
asciilifeform: c64 - by the tonne.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in .net vb << In library school I was forced into this bullshit for a semester, final project I couldn't take it. Went FU here's a mono runtime in a jail and Visual C++ 6.0 that compiles to it because fuku
decimation: later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy
asciilifeform: c128 article << shows wire wraps as if it were exotic
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: you lot never did a wire wrap?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested
asciilifeform: surely, just once, as a boy?
JorgePasada: Bah, getting kicked out of my friends place. Be back in 30. Been a while since I've been in here.
asciilifeform: what on earth does BingoBoingo want witj 90+ trash-eighties
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? << Shhhh....
decimation: I haven't wire-wrapped myself, no - only soldered. but I have considered getting into it
asciilifeform: yknow, the one that strikes the 5kv or so arc so the ~300v cap can discharge through ionized xenon
decimation: it seems like an ideal method for prototyping logic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a student, bought disposable camera (those existed) with flash, late in the night
asciilifeform: girl was wearing a shitmetal ring, it broke in half
asciilifeform: tried to plasma-weld it back using the flash.
asciilifeform: well, just the cap.
asciilifeform: http://webspace.webring.com/people/gl/lemagicien/elecpage/maxflash/max01.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ one of these buggers.
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the only reason people bought those
asciilifeform: i've no idea why anyone else bought them.
asciilifeform: but i cannot recommend.
BingoBoingo: Malice and pranks
BingoBoingo: Only reasons I know
mircea_popescu: lesson for stan : next time girl breaks her ring, don't try to weld it back on her.
asciilifeform: [insert mircea_popescu's tale about soldering with matches here]
asciilifeform: eh how'll it stay on ifya don't weld it back in the right place, lol
asciilifeform: incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field.
asciilifeform: perhaps using the same magic found in self-heating tinned food
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those.
asciilifeform: pull the pin, it simmers along at 200C for half hour.
decimation: I've used butane soldering iron, works well
asciilifeform: also have.
asciilifeform: but - finnicky bugger, hisses, puffs, goes out in the rain
asciilifeform: no good for zombocalypsis.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Younger dumber highschool me got pretty girl I'd been seeing pretty ring, and being youg poor white trash me I completely ignored subtexts in acquiring 10 gold ring with colored quartz rock. Girl got ideas, ring was rendered part of schoolbus floor
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asciilifeform does not wear rings today.
asciilifeform: pet doesn't either
asciilifeform: they get in the way of - work.
decimation: they also expose you to the risk of your finger flesh being ripped off
asciilifeform: ripped, roasted, zapped, amalgamated, dissolved, turned on lathe, milled off
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't get it, you got cvasi-married ?
asciilifeform: clippered, sheared, ionized.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Her poorer, more white trash ass thought so.
mircea_popescu: why so harsh.
decimation: I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap
decimation: but solves none of the above problems
mircea_popescu: some professional lines require rings.
BingoBoingo: Everything is fun and games until poorer and more white trash tries to become a precondition for future life
asciilifeform: professional... rings << hollywood ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?!
mircea_popescu: i dont even.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! << WHere???
mircea_popescu: are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ?
BingoBoingo waits for inevitable DU brass knuckles
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbrUnQPbpEU persay.
BingoBoingo: Wait, who seriously can't pirate Poor Man's James Bond vol. 1-4?
BingoBoingo: Why aluminium?
mircea_popescu: for scope.
mircea_popescu: only explanation possible.
asciilifeform: [insert 'tactical stick' here]
BingoBoingo: Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass
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decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan
assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: So if anyone cares, gas prices in Middle APerica less stable than BTC at the moment.
asciilifeform: kubotan << see also демократизатор ('democratizer')
BingoBoingo: Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men
BingoBoingo: <decimation> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan << Mag lite
assbot: Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: lol " In April 2010 actor and entertainer Darren Day was found guilty of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a Kubotan-style keyring, by a court in Edinburgh.[4]"
decimation: so, usg & friends might arrest you if you carry a stick
asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80
assbot: Демократизатор — Lurkmore
decimation: asciilifeform: is that what russian cops use to beat hippies?
BingoBoingo: Only outside of a legitimate domicile. Within domicile even a fucking claymore sword is fair game.
asciilifeform: decimation: the very same.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Russian batons... have a very dildonic look
asciilifeform: small translation: 'rubber cock. lever of perestroika. anal irritator. in the 2000s - stabilizator. also 'attitude adjuster'.'
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BingoBoingo: !b 2
BingoBoingo: So... basically a kinder soldering iron alternative...
asciilifeform: linked article mentions a popular brand among ru police, 'argument.'
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves.
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BingoBoingo: !b 2
asciilifeform: and handcuffs sold under brands 'tenderness' (one prisoner) and 'tenderness-2' (hold five)
asciilifeform: this is ordinary, brw
mircea_popescu: anyway, all the excitement i can take. later all!
asciilifeform: tear gas was labeled under brand 'hackberry' (черёмуха)
asciilifeform also to bed
BingoBoingo: In this colony hackberry is ornamental tree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtis_occidentalis
assbot: Celtis occidentalis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo has formative memories of hackberry as tree that drops limbs everywhere and fucks shit up
cazalla: home again, not much news around by looks of it anyway so didn't miss much
cazalla: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
cazalla: lies
ben_vulpes: holy hell i blink and 800 lines appear
ben_vulpes must catch up later
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23370 @ 0.00073217 = 17.1108 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/troubles-continue-for-canandian-bitcoin-miner-dominion-bitcoin-mining-company/
assbot: Troubles Continue For Canandian Bitcoin Miner Dominion Bitcoin Mining Company | Qntra.net
RagnarDanneskjol: [PDF Accountable Storage] https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/886.pdf
Duffer1: ;;isdown trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
Duffer1: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: do you read all those papers you link?
RagnarDanneskjol: mostly yes
punkman: sounds like torture :P
RagnarDanneskjol: its fascinating for me. i really enjoy thorough research even if conclusions/methods are somewhat flawed
punkman: "we show how our Accountable Storage protocol can be integrated with Bitcoin, to support automatic compensations proportional to the number of corrupted bits at the server. We also build and evaluate our protocols showing that they perform well in practice."
punkman: have these people been outside the lab?
RagnarDanneskjol: ha! doubtful
punkman: oh hey 3 greek dudes in author list
punkman: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? < they use nlocktime, so no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3981 @ 0.00073612 = 2.9305 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 66(Y):34(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,527.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-introducing-neals-indiegogo-project/
assbot: Introducing "Introducing Neals" Indiegogo Project | Qntra.net
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: call me rabbit
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 70(Y):30(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,477.
cazalla: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/11/05/andreas-m-antonopoulos-visits-down-under/ 30 minutes or so from where i live
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos visits Down Under | CoinJar Blog
jurov just came from dentist.. one tooth, 45 minutes and total exhaustion of both me and doctor
jurov: !up Vexual
Vexual: extraction?
jurov: no, i don't know the term... hollowed down to the root and filled
Vexual: oh root anal
Vexual: *canal
jurov: lol
jurov: such slip
Vexual: my typos anent usuall so dumb
Vexual: did you get novocaine?
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300809.msg3305064#msg3305064
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
punkman: "You should save the "Gavin is trying to impress evil institutional investors" mud-slinging for when I get around to laying out the argument for increasing the block size, because that would be closer to the truth."
cazalla: zzz night
jurov: no anesthetic needed fortunately
punkman: ah was it that dead
mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority
mats_cd03: i lose bitbet :<
punkman: kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it
assbot: BitBet Stats
punkman: yep, few days after, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#726212☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2014 21:56:59; punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC
jurov: http://mikegrim.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/an-easy-way-to-combine-the-power-of-net-and-java/
assbot: An easy way to combine the power of .Net and Java | mikegrim
jurov: let's port bitcoin to java on top of dotnet!
davout: jurov: gotta get these pretty swing windows in dotnet
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
kakobrekla: thats no update
punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove?
kakobrekla: cant think of a good reason why not
bounce: that reads like the guy is a bit confused. then again, he certainly isn't the only one.
bounce subtly points out that you can run other things besides java on jvm too. like ruby, and python, and there's a lisp....
jurov: that was subtle suggestion of pytho->java->dotnet stack?
jurov: yean with random assortment of libraries on every layer
bounce: can we dotnet in javascript yet? with one of those nice accellerated js interpreters? It'll go lots faster that way, I'm sure.
bounce: s/dotnet/run &/
punkman: jsmess is pretty cool https://archive.org/details/internetarcade
assbot: Internet Arcade : Free Software : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
punkman: but yeah if there's linux on js, you can probably do .net
wyrdmantis: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'wyrdmantis', with hostmask 'wyrdmantis!57099fab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.9.159.171', is identified as user 'wyrdmantis', with GPG key id 8B34AE9647FC7203, key fingerprint 146F3890EFFC6C796CB129BC8B34AE9647FC7203, and bitcoin address None
bounce: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/11/05/0530228/the-effect-of-programming-language-on-software-quality
assbot: The Effect of Programming Language On Software Quality - Slashdot
bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science!
kakobrekla: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2014/phriday/scifi_placement/Palpek_33.gif
jurov: bounce: gotta pick the best from every language !!!11
bounce: that's more or less what the PHP "designers" think they're doing. so... if you want that, you know where to get it.
jurov: word
wyrdmantis: ahahah grreat gif kakobrekla
bounce: hm. php on jvm? maybe retarget that facebook php compiler thing?
kakobrekla: punkman> kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it < and they say pessimism isnt worth it.
assbot: BitBet Stats
kakobrekla: ok this shit is funny: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269216.msg9415640#msg9415640
assbot: [BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (235 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast)
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam...
kakobrekla: while he carries another scam in the signature.
kakobrekla: congratulations, mister chump of 2014
mircea_popescu: lol wait wut ?
kakobrekla: (the gaw miner)
mircea_popescu: this plot is pretty thickened!
kakobrekla: such beauty last page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.3980;topicseen
assbot: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
punkman: "Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol
kakobrekla: if someone has a working retard talk account, ping geegaw to come by ?
kakobrekla: >That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked.
punkman: I thought magic cloud miners would autoscale
bounce: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/atlas-314-3-d-printed-guns-bullets/ <- how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel
assbot: The Bullet That Could Solve 3-D Printed Guns' Reliability Problem | WIRED
mircea_popescu: " Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked." << duh.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel <<< pressed shit works just fine, when smeared on actually functioning machines!
mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << now look what you did! cazalla & bingo
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
mircea_popescu: This site reaches over 3,428 monthly people, of which 2,111 (62%) yesterday.
bounce: "mobile web" + "online" = "web". dat distinction.
mircea_popescu: marketeers know words.
mircea_popescu: good thing mr police guy made me fucking move it.
mircea_popescu: else this'd be a ddos.
kakobrekla: eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000.
bounce: so does quantcast count wordpress as "people"?
kakobrekla: you are basically talking to retard talk with green css
mircea_popescu: bounce what do you mean by "wordpress" ?
bounce: those pingbacks
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. it is a news venue. it talks to retards. this, we knew going in.
mircea_popescu: bounce if it counted that qntra'd be well above gawker this month.
bounce: sounds legit
punkman: you have to run the quantcast javascript to count
bounce: reimplement in php and submit as a patch to wordpress
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed.
punkman: oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too
mircea_popescu: !up dgeats
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-october-2014-statement/
assbot: F.DERP October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today.
punkman: oh it's a verb now
mircea_popescu: it hastabe
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fixed.
asciilifeform: bullet << http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/russian-special-cartridges-r.html (ru incarnation) or http://topwar.ru/21240-besshumnyy-patron-hm76-ssha.html (usa)
assbot: Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны
assbot: Бесшумный патрон ХМ76 (США) » Военное обозрение
asciilifeform: long, long invented.
mircea_popescu: us creativity is an exercise in rebranding these days. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ etc
assbot: Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://world.guns.ru/img/logo/logo_12.png << logo of word.guns.ru is... a pen.
mircea_popescu: because totally.
mircea_popescu: !up menahem
asciilifeform: both of the above historic examples also featured gas seal (piston pushed out bullet) and therefore silent.
menahem: yo pimps. :)
mircea_popescu: well yeah, if you're going to make a gun-cartridge might as well make it sealed.
mircea_popescu: and who might you be menahem ?
menahem: n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski
asciilifeform: sealed shell was, iirc, a bitch re: disposal
menahem: reading logs, etc.
mircea_popescu: menahem is it any fun ?
asciilifeform: (had to be treated with care, crushed in specially designed compactor)
menahem: ha, yea. most of it is great, some stuff takes a few re-reads.
menahem: i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident menahem
gribble: Nick 'menahem', with hostmask 'menahem!~menahem@CPE705681c7a4c1-CMbc1401ee7d10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: so time to get in then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: brass was precious, must recycle
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern ru shells are, mostly, steel though.
mircea_popescu: oh.
menahem: lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/8CwLzmVU
assbot: Hi folks, I'm a homeowner on XXXXX Street, and I'm writing to complain -- onc - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ?
nubbins`: ^ that's the email i wrote to the city
mircea_popescu: keep adding 1 cartridge/second, keep taking molten stuff out.
nubbins`: a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc
nubbins`: then the MAYOR emails me back, CCing the city manager:
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/jc8MTCFB
assbot: Dave Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to t - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: my sides
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ?
mircea_popescu: !up rdekley
nubbins`: i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu gotta call a diamond a diamond
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D
nubbins`: too true, but bg info!
nubbins`: anyway, i pasted both, parse em as you will ;p
nubbins`: so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE
nubbins`: my sides
mircea_popescu: "the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ?
nubbins`: i gotta take a picture
nubbins`: mircea_popescu not as bad as i make it seem
nubbins`: but you do find needles from time to time
mircea_popescu: maybe it's from all the diabethics.
nubbins`: "fuck the sharps container, this one's going in the road"
mircea_popescu: https://xhellgirlx.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/tears.jpeg <<< saving this for later use.
nubbins`: feed that woman enough beans and she'd make a great espresso machine
mircea_popescu: ahahahhaha
mircea_popescu: true story : i once spent in excess of an hour inserting coffee beans one by one into girl butt. just to see what'd happen.
mircea_popescu: sadly, no espresso.
nubbins`: bet it was a crazy buzz tho
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/qtJv9ns
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be
nubbins`: anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump
mircea_popescu: north american houses look so shitty i swear.
nubbins`: plastic is the new wood
kakobrekla: Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the
kakobrekla: property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe.
nubbins`: HEH
nubbins`: doc o'keefe don't give a fuck about no pgp
mircea_popescu: i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it.
kakobrekla: no, nubbins` will pay.
kakobrekla: (After some years)
nubbins`: i already pay plenty by living next to the guy
nubbins`: anyway, would be interesting to see how many prior invoices have gone unpaid
nubbins`: this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/
mircea_popescu: generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable.
kakobrekla: just remember ascii; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2014#909708☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 21:08:35; asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept
nubbins`: mircea_popescu no doubt, but it's my duty
kakobrekla: next week will be "o wait, it costs 6k? no we are not paying for THAT. 6k is not "whatever it costs", its 3k more than that."
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: but no, coupla hours with a crew and a truck is what, 350 ?
nubbins`: union crew, buddy
nubbins`: try again
mircea_popescu: minimum wage is still 10 bux or so in canada neh ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit.
nubbins`: $10.25 in 2dl afaicr
nubbins`: varies by province
nubbins`: city workers prolly get 25-35/hr during business hours
mircea_popescu: right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month.
mircea_popescu: 100 left over for profit.
mircea_popescu: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7751/10908969.jpg
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill
nubbins`: "deck reattachment: $200"
nubbins`: "...what?"
mircea_popescu: you missed the chance to put an i in there.
nubbins`: barring ambiguousness, pronouns should always be omitted
nubbins`: one thing the castellanos did right
jurov: nubbins`: just put a deck, too? you said you want it
nubbins`: i've already got a deck!
nubbins`: needs a bit of work tho ;/
jurov: so the solution is very easy
jurov: bribe the town crew to fix the yours one
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "dick"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: dicksurgery.ca
jurov: and watch it billed to him
mircea_popescu: lol "the yours one" j is adoooohrable!
jurov: oh
nubbins`: "yeah, o'dea said he was gonna buy a bunch of pizza and leave it out front, but he didn't...
nubbins`: enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner!
jurov: !ud donair sauce
jurov: ;;ud donair sauce
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Donair | A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce ( Condensed milk , Sugar and vinegar) with...
mircea_popescu: putting sugar on meat wtf is wrong with people.
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZmMZVHkMoQ
assbot: The devil is real: little girl tells Christian preacher to shut up - YouTube
nubbins`: FWIW the "sweet sauce" has garlic as the main spice
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you don't dry-rub your briskets?!
punkman: I've never had one with sweet sauce
nubbins`: halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing
nubbins`: https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~gpetitpas/Links/Donair.html
assbot: All things Donair: Halifax Donair Sauce, Donair Meat, Donair Subs, Donair Pizza Recipes (And Garlic Fingers?)
nubbins`: i like making a huge batch of donairs once or twice a year
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dry rub, yes. thyme-and-garlic.
nubbins`: no sugar?!
mircea_popescu: no sugar.
nubbins` shakes head
mircea_popescu: and it's fucking donner kebap what you're going for
mircea_popescu: not "donair"
mircea_popescu: comes from the danube.
nubbins`: i'm canadian, it's a donair.
mircea_popescu: where is that oglaf.
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab#Canada
assbot: Doner kebab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: 8)
nubbins`: bbl gotta go buy a donair
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/muster/
assbot: Muster the troops
mircea_popescu: DON THE CROWN!
nubbins`: i still can't believe she wasn't a donair
mircea_popescu: k.o.d ? srsly ?
nubbins`: ok, peace
jurov: well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair
nubbins`: ;;google king of donair trailer park boys
gribble: King of Donair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Donair>; King Of Donair Party - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WqEq-v1wu8>; Trailer Park Boys Off-Set Filming Locations - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23OpCSxOUlE>
jurov: only long after i discovered these "canadian foods"
mircea_popescu: jurov "what stupid poor people would eat if they had no mothers."
nubbins`: o wow
nubbins`: fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada
nubbins`: chew on THAT for a bit.
mircea_popescu: poutine is actually not that bad.
mircea_popescu: kinda normandy sort of thing, but hey.
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants.
mircea_popescu: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims.
mircea_popescu: that's why car claims are based on square cms of ruined paint.
mircea_popescu: it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies.
mircea_popescu: a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing.
mircea_popescu: ok, jurov's root anal / total exhaustion of all parties thing is in bash now. which i think jurov mods... so preemptive SCAM!
mircea_popescu: somehow the quotes collected together get FUNNIER than they were in the logs. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304 << had me laughing out loud.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
punkman: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ligi.satoshiproof&hl=en << prior art on deed system
thestringpuller: ;;seen cazalla
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <cazalla> zzz night
thestringpuller: damn i missed him
mircea_popescu: punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ?
jurov: what's scammy on it?
jurov: on the root anal
mircea_popescu: well nothing yet
mircea_popescu: but maybe you don't approve it, how do i know
mircea_popescu: gotta be vigilant!
jurov: regardless it gets approved or not, i'll blame it on kako
punkman: oh never mind, they generate fake addresses like the first deedbot. http://vog.github.io/bitcoinproof/
assbot: Bitcoinproof
mircea_popescu: kako is responsible for like 40% of somalia's milk production.
jurov: that's not milk, but donair
mircea_popescu: punkman why do you care anyway ? it's done.
punkman: gonna write article eventually
mircea_popescu: oic.
mircea_popescu: waste of your time, trying to find someone do something useful before WE did it.
punkman: well someone had the idea in 2011 at least, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52715.5
assbot: Using bitcoin for trusted timestamping?
jurov: kakobrekla you removed "cunt raw" before my eyes... you did not get it?
jurov: just say "cunt raw ex" aloud
mircea_popescu: jurov why "ex" ?
mircea_popescu: you think it's contravex ?!
jurov: wow, it has even another meaning?
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v
kakobrekla: jurov i guess i dont find it bash worthy
kakobrekla: one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down
jurov: yea i know and did it
kakobrekla: sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy
kakobrekla: and leave the quotes that im not sure what to do with, or how to cut them
kakobrekla: for a later decision
mircea_popescu: punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300809.msg3305064#msg3305064 <<< nice find lol.
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
kakobrekla: i see you just flushed everything down the toilet
kakobrekla: mkay
jurov: no i actually accepted everything that was left
kakobrekla: yes
kakobrekla: that the toilet
kakobrekla: :D
jurov: oh that's what you mean
kakobrekla: the delete is the trash bin!
mircea_popescu: lol the bathroom life : either trash bin or toilet.
jurov: and qntra is the sink
kakobrekla: hehe
mircea_popescu: punkman fwiw, http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/ was july 2013.
assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: then by october he was already making preparatory moves.
kakobrekla: <jurov> and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly
mircea_popescu: pizdet
kakobrekla: is that how you call it in ro?
mircea_popescu: it ? which it ?
kakobrekla: pizdit
jurov: pizdet === bidet?
mircea_popescu: haha nah
jurov: or it's special bidet only for pizdas? and the other one is pulet?
mircea_popescu: well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even reach the water in the normal wc.
kakobrekla: isnt bidet for ass?
kakobrekla: idk.
mircea_popescu: if you swing that way...
jurov feels trilema exhortation on private hygiene upcoming
kakobrekla: ;;google bidet ass clean
gribble: Clean Butt: <http://www.cleanbutt.com/>; Clean Butt!!! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4MHdDGiYGs>; Clean Your Butt with a Biffy - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_iizpAsczM>
mircea_popescu: i should have called it trizdets
mircea_popescu: alas... too late.
kakobrekla: cleanbutt.com sez yes
mircea_popescu: bezzle butts, what do they know.
punkman: https://github.com/FactomProject/FactomDocs proof of existence, sidechains, bitcoin2.0 etc
assbot: FactomProject/FactomDocs · GitHub
mircea_popescu: oh, bitcoin 2.0 already ?
mircea_popescu: punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged.
mircea_popescu: this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish.
mircea_popescu: kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal.
mircea_popescu: !up starzz_
starzz_: Hello. I want to join the cult
mircea_popescu: ok, you're in.
starzz_: lol
starzz_: will work for a rate
mircea_popescu: work doing what ?
starzz_: have a stupid article to write for qntra
mircea_popescu: write it, submit to cazalla
mircea_popescu: ;;ident starzz_
gribble: Nick 'starzz_', with hostmask 'starzz_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.15.106.240', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: heh. maybe get in the wot first eh.
starzz_: in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did)
mircea_popescu: if gribble dun see you it dun see you. -otc -assets or anywhere else. maybe you disconnected.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority << wow srsly ?!
starzz_: Must be it. Thanks.
mircea_popescu: punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove? <<< yeah.
mircea_popescu: bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2014/phriday/scifi_placement/Palpek_33.gif <<< i can't believe libertard central is still pushing this "need government for roads!" dead meme.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion.
mircea_popescu: roads, yo!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ?
ben_vulpes: https://unsee.cc/sigaroze/ << i came home to a surprise celebration of...tuesday!
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mircea_popescu: soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors...
ben_vulpes: more importantly
ben_vulpes: yesterday was tuesday!
mircea_popescu: obama just went on a two year vacation, at a cost of a bunch of money.
ben_vulpes: usgpolitics boooooring
mircea_popescu: myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: incredible how much a few years change in the third world.
ben_vulpes: if we absolutely must talk uspolitics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Y24MFOfFU
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mircea_popescu: such bad voice acting.
ben_vulpes: that she shakes her head while saying "i approve this message" made me lol.
mircea_popescu: `--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing.
mircea_popescu: !up qntranet
qntranet: starzz again
qntranet: following the link to contact cazala
mircea_popescu: lol
qntranet: I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra?
mircea_popescu: just so we know you came throug there.
qntranet: Oh. Okay.
mircea_popescu: google : "Barack Obama, Presidential term January 20, 2009 –"
mircea_popescu: check it out, google is making a prediction.
qntranet: I've been reading you for a year. I'm learning how. I've signed onto otc & know how to get in wot
qntranet: I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares)
mircea_popescu: qntranet you can just use coinbr ?
qntranet: See. that's what us edumacation does for one lol
jurov: qntranet any suggestion where coinbr should be advertised?
jurov: so that people know about it?
qntranet: it's tough to break into the media.
mircea_popescu: jurov qntra, apparently.
qntranet: That's what I think my article might do.
punkman: jurov, mpex homepage :P
jurov: it is mentioned in the mpex faq
kakobrekla: jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion.
jurov: long past most people's attantion span, tho
qntranet: Remove the scare factor a little bit
qntranet: I know there are other people like me who get it
mats_cd03: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=E1L4DoSrAc << referral code
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qntranet: lol cd03
jurov: i know.. but still .. when there is only ~10 people who actually pay these 2 bitcents
jurov: i don[t believe it would be so much more when it's free
mats_cd03: i don't mind the bitcent fees tbh
kakobrekla: i just pass on what i heard.
mircea_popescu: jurov what is it, 2 bitcents / mo ?
jurov: yes. since november
mircea_popescu: eh, that's reasonable.
punkman: jurov, 0.1 year paid up-front might do better
jurov: plus another two per withdrawal
mircea_popescu: wtf, since when is 5 bux not free.
mircea_popescu: same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less.
jurov: er.. since *last* november
kakobrekla: if 5 bux is change then you just get mpex acc its like 10 bux at the current btc price
jurov: kakobrekla wtf?
kakobrekla: which part
jurov: can't pinpoint
jurov: just rephrase it all
kakobrekla: ;;calc 30 * 300
gribble: 9000
kakobrekla: see, 10 bux
qntranet: thanks ya'll. I have a coinbr account to create.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30 / 0.02
gribble: 1500
jurov: these kakobux
mircea_popescu: today we find kakobrekla's cock is approximately 28 miles long.
kakobrekla: mebbe
mircea_popescu: makes long distance relationships that much easier for him.
kakobrekla: 28 miles is not that much easier
jurov: pity he lives it that part of world where you can't get 10 miles without encountering town or road
mircea_popescu: who else can fuck planes ?
kakobrekla: or a bear
jurov: planes? 28 miles is enough for orbital launch!
kakobrekla: anyway shutup i got work to do.
jurov: kako's preparing for another lauch
jurov: *launch
kakobrekla: lunch!
kakobrekla: omnom
jurov: suborbital jizz insertion
mircea_popescu: the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on!
jurov: ICJMs
jurov: !up CheckDavid
CheckDavid: Thanks jurov
CheckDavid: A while ago i saw a notification here about a gold bet placed on bitbet.us, but now i can't find it.
mircea_popescu: !s gold bitbet
assbot: 16 results for 'gold bitbet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gold+bitbet
punkman: http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/ maybe
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 3 days ago
jurov: when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up?
mircea_popescu: "where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q.
CheckDavid: jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid maybe that one closed ?
CheckDavid: That's what i was thinking mircea_popescu
CheckDavid: Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant
[]bot: Bet created: "Obama Impeached" http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/2012nationwidecountymapshadedbypercentagewon.svg <<< all the experience playing WoL tells us anything about this map ?
punkman: for fellow snake charmers: http://pyrasite.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Shell.html
assbot: pyrasite-shell - Give it a pid, get a shell — pyrasite 2.0beta documentation
mats_cd03: i wonder what glad tidings gop congress will bring
mircea_popescu: basically, either they start taking obamacare apart or lose their mommentum
bounce: lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know.
mircea_popescu: granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place.
mircea_popescu: bounce "please upgrade"
mircea_popescu: it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything.
kakobrekla: since when do you listen to cow moos
jurov: as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders
mircea_popescu: jurov put some numbers on those wonders ?
jurov: scrat put 100btc in, got several hundred out
jurov: if someone (mpif nudge wink) gave us some dought, i'm sure it could be repeated
jurov: *dough
mircea_popescu: so wait. 100 btc raffle resulted in >30k worth of bets from bitcointalk ?
jurov: yes
jurov: r dunno from where
mircea_popescu: i tell you i don't see it.
jurov: Namworld you around?
jurov: !up Namworld
jurov: he should know concrete numbers, it was tracked
mircea_popescu: anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all.
mircea_popescu: didn't do much.
mircea_popescu: US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime
mircea_popescu: something's wrong here.
mircea_popescu: 70k frames at >1 dollar per frame ? i should make a korean drawing company.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling.
jurov: http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com
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mircea_popescu: jurov what, is 2008 coming back in style ?
jurov: maybe that anime is done similar way
mircea_popescu: actually that was more like 2005 iirc.
The20YearIRCloud: What album?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla:jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that << aha.
asciilifeform: k&r 1st ed. w4r3z that someone asked for >> http://read.pudn.com/downloads124/ebook/525708/C_Programming_Language.pdf
asciilifeform: ^ censored from 'google' incidentally.
mats_cd03: my hero
asciilifeform: note that classical 'k&r' variant of the language used a now-archaic function declaration style. that extant compilers have less than perfect support for.
asciilifeform: other than that, it's a perfectly living book.
bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next.
kakobrekla: bounce they upped their advertising cannons.
kakobrekla: get as much chumps before they need to dox them
bounce: so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right.
bounce: kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london.
kakobrekla: well buttstamp gives dox to usg
kakobrekla: so they can be a part of their averaged out ticker
kakobrekla: and they are in eu/uk/si
kakobrekla: bitstamp is legal by being retarded evil scammers
kakobrekla: so much for regulation
bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us."
kakobrekla: you mean MP? :D
cazalla: damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night :\
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-03/msg01535.html << when the firing squads at last for folks such as these?
assbot: Re: [O] Errors after upgrading emacs to 24.3.1 and org to 7.9.4
asciilifeform: (for the malefactors who give cause for such discussions, not the participants therein)
asciilifeform: and an advance fuckyou to anyone who might bitch, 'you whine about modeline vs. mode-line but you even want to switch to trinary computer and no existing soft.'
asciilifeform: to which i answer: toilet - is good to have. kitchen sink - also good. toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. the 'middle ground' is an idiot delusion, generally.
chetty: asciilifeform, hahahaha best explanation of that I have heard, I am gonna steal it
asciilifeform: chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation:
asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases, has increasingly greater fraction of its volume closer and closer to the surface.
asciilifeform: chetty: (if you don't believe this - work it out!)
asciilifeform: chetty: hence, 'extremist' solutions, as dimensions are added to a problem (seen as a 'spherical horse' of course) are largely where the answers lie.
asciilifeform: chetty: and not in 'moderation.'
asciilifeform: chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive.
chetty: all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform
asciilifeform: chetty: more fun. because in many cases you can blow idiots straight out of the water, with rigorous mathematical rocket, with it.
chetty: hmmm and when you put that together with the overton window ...now I got to think some
chetty: unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it
asciilifeform: this was not real maths! strictly first grade.
asciilifeform: if you understand pythagorean theorem, you can do this one.
chetty: I seem to find a lot of people that cant even make change
asciilifeform: chetty: i'd love to know who is behind the delusion that 'mathematical ability' is the ability to mentally crunch small numbers quickly.
chetty: haha, yeah it doesn't really mean that much, but it does put me off trying to explain things
chetty: anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot
asciilifeform: incidentally,
asciilifeform: http://francis.naukas.com/files/2013/05/dibujo20130521-counterexample-to-euler-s-conjecture-on-sums-of-like-powers1.png?w=584 << good mathlol
asciilifeform: ^ possibly shortest interesting academpaper ever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070575 = 1.7291 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives.
ben_vulpes is confus
chetty: now that one makes my head hurt :P
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
ben_vulpes: salud Pierre_Rochard
Pierre_Rochard: salud
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard how is work. What was for lunch today? ;)
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches
Pierre_Rochard: so I have*
thestringpuller: fancy new office! always a good day.
kakobrekla: toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. < toilet and bidet hybrids do well in china
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thought it was a jp thing
kakobrekla: oh it might be jp sry
The20YearIRCloud: So how goes it everyone
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, whoever else: has anyone taken an interest in actually making the turd vaguely usable? namely, plugging the leaks (yes, all of them) and zapping the idiotic db corruption (supposedly 'rare': http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2051)
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nubbins`: !s preferred syntax highlighting style
assbot: 1 results for 'preferred syntax highlighting style' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=preferred+syntax+highlighting+style
nubbins`: asciilifeform ^
asciilifeform: nubbins`: we are far, far from the point where the answer to this question matters.
ben_vulpes: memory leaks for your book?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what we have now is unusable crud.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as in it cannot be used, at all.
ben_vulpes: because it fails to bring the whole chain down?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that, and it leaks memory. which means human intervention required.
nubbins`: something tells me this book ain't getting done by nov 15 ;D
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually in its wedged state it leaks so rapidly that it soaks up 8GB in six or so hours. while failing to fetch any blocks.
nubbins`: :0
nubbins`: meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover
ben_vulpes: damn.
nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how was the donairine
mircea_popescu: !up fordlincoln
nubbins`: i settled for a meat sub instead
nubbins`: didn't have time for a donair ;/
mircea_popescu: bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away.
ben_vulpes: i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't this fast food ?
ben_vulpes: not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud.
nubbins`: fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem
nubbins`: you need like 30-45 minutes to eat a donair
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol asci-ilifeform
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/im-patrick-murck-and-welcome-to-jackass-2-0/
assbot: I'm Patrick Murck And Welcome To Jackass 2.0 | Qntra.net
cazalla: i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases << this is actually interesting to work out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i deliberately left the proof as exercise for the interested readers.
mircea_popescu: the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius.
mircea_popescu: in 3d, that proportion moves to ... 7/8.
mircea_popescu: and from there ownards.
mircea_popescu: the tophalf of a sphere always holds (2^n-1)/2^n of the volume.
bounce: http://stopthecap.com/2014/11/04/suck-americas-worst-broadband-cities-includes-upstate-new-york-much-ohio/
assbot: You Suck: America's Worst Broadband Cities Include Most of Upstate New York, Much of Ohio • Stop the Cap!
bounce: not sure why this concentrates on "cities of at least 50k households"
mircea_popescu: lol i bet half of africa has better internet than half of ny state.
bounce: if you count facebook-only mobile "internet"
mircea_popescu: bounce you'd be surprised.
mircea_popescu: really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties.
bounce: but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have shitty internet because you can't afford to lay cable.
mircea_popescu: it's another because... uh... whatever the whiteplains excuse is.
bounce: I have no idea what is or isn't available in ohio
asciilifeform: ... can't afford to lay cable.
asciilifeform: as for why not wireless - easy answer. cheap wireless would mean that folks with more money would not be 'sheared' adequately.
thestringpuller: !up m4rCsi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :p
asciilifeform: same reason why cheap housing is verboten.
nubbins`: huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain
z33andO_o: that's because it's not really p2p software, bitcoin-core picks 1 node and downloads all from it
z33andO_o: if you pick a slow one then it takes ages
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o that's a good point incidentally.
nubbins`: wat.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p
mircea_popescu: yes.
bounce: the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations
nubbins`: jesus
mircea_popescu: bounce and vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o who're you btw ?
z33andO_o: xiando
mircea_popescu: oh nm
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: if sewer systems were introduced for the first time in today's usa, they would be an exotic and unobtainable thing. because would be unfair!!!11!! to 'private enterprise' fleets of honeywagons carting shit away for a dollar a turd.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` satoshi's origina, likely defensible call was that "hack it this way so it works, fix later when more manpower"
mircea_popescu: obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise.
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described.
nubbins`: seriously tho, i'm downloading blocks over fiber at 60KB/s
mircea_popescu: internet before that.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` flush the node.
nubbins`: only thing i know how to flush is the toilet
mircea_popescu: block its ip in your firewall. most likely result bitcoind hickups for a minute and moves on.
mircea_popescu: obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.
mircea_popescu: i mean software.
nubbins`: a a a
nubbins`: yeah, see, bitcoind crashes ~1x daily on this vm
nubbins`: i'm assuming it grabs a diff node each time
nubbins`: they're all slow as shit
mircea_popescu: that's only 3-400x a year!
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: 60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user
mircea_popescu: possibly canadian fiber runs on poutine ?
nubbins`: w/e it runs on, it works
mircea_popescu: did you rub sugar on it today ?
nubbins`: nope, crisco
bounce: can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from?
nubbins`: 5.7MB/s over wifi
mircea_popescu: lol crisco is for cisco ?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: the r is silent
bounce: would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition
nubbins`: ("kissco? the fu...")
mircea_popescu: there are other methods
nubbins`: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k
nubbins`: but hey, to boldly go
mircea_popescu: (said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned)
bounce: something to drop on a todo list in a wiki or something
nubbins`: provide text file w/ trusted nodes as argument or smth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun.
bounce: or, well, start with dropping the things on the ml, it's there for this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.
nubbins`: http://www.speedtest.net/result/3886931652.png
mircea_popescu: i r believ you nubbins` !
nubbins`: the proof is in the ping!
nubbins`: not sure what i'd get if i hooked up a wire
nubbins`: suppose it doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane :D
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1062/obama-impeached/ << even money eh ?
assbot: BitBet - Obama Impeached :: 0.28 B (58%) on Yes, 0.21 B (42%) on No | closing in 11 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`955 (100`000 to 1)
nubbins`: http://www.brightok.net/~wdmorgan-ss/Books/TransferFolder/CoverFWDAJ.jpg
nubbins`: fun /with/ dick and jane
nubbins`: side note: that's a silkscreened cover
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, why em the "with"
nubbins`: you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font
nubbins`: but silkscreen? nfi
mircea_popescu: i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling.
bounce: maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 340.11, Best ask: 340.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 340.99, 24 hour volume: 15372.53022261, 24 hour low: 326.71, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 337.428263329
cazalla: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2677538/the-woman-taking-on-coles-in-a-landmark-case/ But Ms Mesnage encountered a number of problems with the Coles website, including being unable to select a delivery time for her groceries and complex navigation that meant it could take up to eight hours to place an order.
assbot: The woman taking on Coles in a landmark case | Illawarra Mercury
cazalla: imagine having to build your website to accomodate such people or get your shit handed to you
mircea_popescu: in other news, "man can't find door, sues shop"
nubbins`: groan, eyeroll
asciilifeform: not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k << i actually have most of a patch for purely configurable block pumping. but shelved it and everything else for this reason.
bounce: and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority.
mircea_popescu: bounce no apparently they ran into an earlier issue
mircea_popescu: !up piznit
asciilifeform: they ran into an earlier issue << likely involves db corruption. see earlier link, ~1hr ago
asciilifeform: "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin << can't rule this out, but this would play straight into my 'clever buggers after all' hypothesis.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/
cazalla: you got the scoop this time scoopbot
asciilifeform: jurov's site still has the 1blabla... contract!
asciilifeform: jurov: fix it before all the qntra readers laugh
kakobrekla: ha ha.
kakobrekla: too late.
kakobrekla just dutifully rains on parade
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BingoBoingo: !b 4
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (from qntra) 'our project will likely discard the entire GUI in the near future' << already gone
punkman: was playing with vanitygen, found a 1tits address that also says "how hot" in private key
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unless, naturally, we're waiting for the turdatron where we can all sign on the patches thus far (i'm all in favour)
ben_vulpes: there's that for sure
ben_vulpes: there's also a discussion to have about how to distribute
ben_vulpes: when merge, how number, method of dist etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: distribute what?
ben_vulpes: merged set of patches
ben_vulpes: or nothing, you know
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the moment i'm leaning against the idea of distributing binaries of whatever kind being a good one
ben_vulpes: mhm yeah i dig
ben_vulpes: but how about source?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: anyone who is genuinely serious about using bitcoin should be able to build it. it isn't rocket surgery.
ben_vulpes: sure absolutely.
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about distributing a sourceball with patches merged.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for source/patches, any turdbrigade member can put up unofficial mirror.
ben_vulpes: could deem this unnecessary, but...
ben_vulpes: as you did, i note!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very minimum, one ought to live on jurov's site. (at present, i don't see it there.)
BingoBoingo: <bounce> the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations << No, it happens. You just need a town that can get away with it. Muni internet exists here and had no serious opposition.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. << Small, affluent compared to the surrounding error.
PeterL: was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight << Aha!
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? << Prolly not, he stops by here very rarely.
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (200 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)
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mircea_popescu: !up satdav
satdav: Thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
satdav: $register
satdav: I am a member of Firefox support team
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: is it hard work ?
satdav: mircea_popescu: how do I register on gribble
mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>
satdav: Yes very hard at times
mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets <
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
satdav: mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this
mircea_popescu: hm ?
BingoBoingo: <satdav> mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this << If you must use GPG on windows at least compile it yourself. The extant gpg4win binaries have a dubious reputation
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/N7K36Kw.jpg
jurov: ben_vulpes" i told you several times: s'il vous plait, do register with the mailman. it will *not* register you automatically1
jurov: !
jurov: i am registered and did get your email fine
nubbins` idly considers opening a sports shop named "s'il vous play"
nubbins`: See vous play. Play, vous, play.
nubbins`: fun with Dick and Vous
mircea_popescu: Mousse de Vous.
ben_vulpes: !
ben_vulpes: i coulda sworn that i'd done that.
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.55, Best ask: 339.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 340.22, 24 hour volume: 15598.84432357, 24 hour low: 328.6, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 338.047285763
jurov: maybe you did not finish
jurov: in the second email there is a link,
jurov: on that link there is a button
jurov: or two
jurov: and only after clicking it you're in
jurov: you wanted rigor, gotta have rigor
mod6: thanks for getting the address setup for the foundation jurov & for signing on to be the treasurer for the Foundation
ben_vulpes checks spam
jurov: oh and please kindly send me or to deedbot your signed contracts
ben_vulpes: rgr will do
mircea_popescu: to deedbot
satdav: You guys should register as a freenode group also
mircea_popescu: satdav freenode is dead, basically.
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to get them servers for a coupla years now.
mod6: jurov: do you mean my signed charter? http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1MXeLHi5
assbot: Bundle 1MXeLHi5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
satdav: Lol mircea_popescu its hard for servers for irc ddos
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?
ben_vulpes: mod6: treasurer contract?
jurov: no, the treasurer's contract so that there are no ugly 404s from the bottom links
jurov: but wait, i'll update id with deed info
jurov: *it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 you're supposed to sign his thing too
mod6: yeah ok.
dub: wat
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just, "jurov has self-appointed himself"
mod6: *nod*
jurov: lol
mod6: Has the document been updated with the address et. al?
ben_vulpes: mitm!
jurov: mmnt
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in a decade or two once gpg ios the only basis of commerce, identity and general life, that's going to be the #1 scam : here's this document. it's signed. just by me.
mod6: mp: werd.
mod6: we'll get it done asap
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html it's there
mod6: yeah got this: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj
assbot: Deed 9ULZPc7y | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
jurov: ooh I now get what was the REFERENCES for ... not for itself, but for the charter
jurov: if nobody else does, will fix it tmrw
jurov: laterz!
mod6: ah, yeah.
mod6: is there a way for someone to revoke their signed deed?
mod6: we need the three of us to sign that contract with the REFERENCES section in there
mod6: anyone whom already submitted might need to re-submit, not sure if there is a way to pull previously submitted deeds.