mircea_popescu: well what is this "all history shows property X so therefore future will too" ?
kakobrekla: the reasoning: only close bets make it to bitbet and humanity is mostly a fail
punkman: on another note, punkbot is alive again, yay
punkman: cooked some ribeyes from the americas, debugged while digesting
punkman: unfortunately from north americas
jurov is debugging a turdatron. don't want to make verbs from it
jurov: any idea how to quickly dump contents fo sqlite into HTML?
jurov: there are jsut two tables, patches and sigs
punkman: jurov: you can do that from sqlite shell
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2014 17:28:54; kakobrekla: how do you measure success
kakobrekla: found my answer, sorta: >Our staffing costs alone run $45,000 a month. Our hosting costs for September were $8,500.
mircea_popescu: by looking at what scammers claim as part of their scamtext, you can guess what the general sea of idiots imagines is going on.
kakobrekla: i can easily make bitbet spend 45k a month
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 323.24, Best ask: 324.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 324.21, 24 hour volume: 15042.34159385, 24 hour low: 316.61, 24 hour high: 339.47, 24 hour vwap: 326.688260005
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10943 @ 0.00077913 = 8.526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11402 @ 0.00078087 = 8.9035 BTC [+]
xiando: $102000/year for hosting, uhm exactly what do they claim to be hosting there.. facebook? google? yahoo?
xiando: I guess it makes sense if you don't have a bunch of servers and websites yourself
xiando: perhaps if you're hosting reddit (even then it seems like a lot)
kakobrekla: you're too young to pay for women. < oh oh i see, young enough to emulate em
xiando: you'd be mostly paying not to have anything more to do with them imho, if you just want one for the night then there's plenty at the local bars
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you know we had a great emu war in australia.. that we lost
cazalla: the army machine gunned the emus but it wasn't enough
assbot: Emu War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00078523 = 14.7623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
punkman: how do you cut big blocks of chocolate into less unwieldy pieces?
mircea_popescu: if its any good, you crack it against a large marble slab.
punkman: it's a piece from one of those 10kg blocks, says Callebaut
punkman: guess that might be better than heated knife
punkman: was same price as some Nestle shit, and not much sugar, not a bad deal
cazalla: choc i buy down here uses agave nectar, pretty nice stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4205 @ 0.00078376 = 3.2957 BTC [-]
assbot: Eighty - Pana Chocolate Store
ninjashogun: thanks. I asked for voice to request this:
ninjashogun: <ninjashogun> hi - could I ask you to remove my full name from the logs. I have been open about what it is and it appears once or twice in the bitcoin-assets logs. I realize that this ecosystem is very different and that people here don't believe in traditional startups, but I have investors doing due dilligence on me, and it is uncomfortable to come up in google results.
ninjashogun: <ninjashogun> I realize that you also are careful about your online footprint so you will appreciate this. I think I didn't realize that it's a publicly-indexed log at the time.
ninjashogun: I can PM you if you want. Let's not repeat this.
punkman: I don't think I've seen your name
ninjashogun: Look, we're all adults here and know how an IRC conversation looks to a random person googling an individual.
mircea_popescu: if anyone ever googles this idiot : there are better ways to flush your money down a toilet.
mats_cd03: do they ship to the us cazalla? can't seem to find it
mircea_popescu: given that i have like 2lbs of chocolate right here, which i just bought today, it's a wonder we're not the fattest people online.
jurov: just today i came across an adverticle about "need to increas VC penetration in Slovakia"
jurov: i was like, myeah, better WC penetration would be handy sometims
cazalla: no news about so far today
cazalla: afterall, i wouldn't want anyone to think i'm slacking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00077792 = 6.7679 BTC [-]
punkman: what I just gave status update
punkman: I am already humiliated by letting invalid deed pass through
punkman: (but I just deleted it from db, ha!)
punkman: 437 people in assbot's l2, 2.9mb pubring
mircea_popescu: <punkman> I am already humiliated by letting invalid deed pass through << how did that happen ?
punkman: gpg library lied to me, and also I suck
assbot: Jeffrey Robinson: Bitcoin Used By Terrorists | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: ohic. dude that'd totally know what he's talking about.
mircea_popescu: also in the news : jeffrey robinson is a fraudulent grant eater that's spent 100's of thousands off the public treasury and has yet to produce anything of value.
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours and 27 minutes ago
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01603 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 145 more bundles.
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkman: we'll pay $0.03575 for that silly deed!
punkman: thestringpuller: ^ give it a try
punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 2 hours and 36 minutes ago
punkman: mircea_popescu: should I give deedwallet password to you or kakobrekla for safekeeping?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0007789 = 5.1797 BTC [+]
punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 2 hours and 53 minutes ago
punkman: heh INFO 2014-11-02T02:28:41 Not replying to sure, in #bitcoin-assets, not a command.
punkbot: punkman: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
kakobrekla: mps wot is larger number. give it to mp.
assbot: Bundle 1KFaXF5J | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction aaa9c986ae676a6970eb180fe38368bca16b143cd0ca74821893d08b7e5b664e
punkman: btw notice deed address is 1Law
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01603 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 145 more bundles.
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 minute ago | 1 unconfirmed bundle
mircea_popescu: these argentinian dudes are so fucktarded it's hard to put into words. so there's a few streets in the financial district where literally 100s of derps hawk "cambio, cambio!" trying to get some paper benjies for their locally-printed toilet paper. all day long.
mircea_popescu: saturday night tho ? ZERO! i don't mean, most of the fat ones with good business didn't bother, leav ing just a few of the sketchier, hungrier fellows. no, i mean exactly zero. as if saturday night is not a time. not part of the world. does not exist.
mircea_popescu: the exact fucking antihussle. i wonder what the fuck dope dealers are doing, because i find it hard to believe argentine junkies all keep a stash.
punkman: is financial district busy saturday night?
mircea_popescu: take a tour through the red light district, sometime. the hookers are out whether there's johns or not.
mircea_popescu: they have to suck a lot of cock for that foot of sidewalk. it's not like somehow magically it's not a sidewalk anymore between 13:30 and 14:25
assbot: Bundle 1KFaXF5J | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: that's quintessentially why it's called the hustle. because you fucking hustle. if it were an office job it'd just be, the office job.
punkman: kakobrekla: maybe add link to deeds. on other pages
assbot: /g/ - What bitcoin tumbler do you recommend /g/? I want
assbot: Jardin Botanico Carlos Thays - Buenos Aires pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: cazalla well, it's a sign that qntra is used by terrorists.
cazalla: used is ok, as long as it is not written by terrorists
cazalla: Jardin Botanico Carlos Thays <<< this looks photoshopped
mircea_popescu: no, it totally read "welcome to the land of the derpy" in the original.
cazalla: sounds like amir really is fucked up on drugs
cazalla: "trying to help Amir, rehabilitate Amir.."
punkman: cazalla: there's a typo missing, Arse News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00077853 = 8.486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00077883 = 14.2136 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla seriously, oding is the best thing for the guy.
mircea_popescu: if he's clean he's obnoxiously stupid. at least he could get out, happy ending all around.
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 24`933 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: Cody Wilson: "The Bitcoin Community Has Sold Out" | Qntra.net
cazalla: <thestringpuller> slow news weekend <<< yup, i think the article as above are probably good for weekends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00077764 = 14.1398 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: yeah, he had some real derpage going on, yet another dood thought himself too good for the wot, then his shit went nowhere, then he failed to go "o hey, you know what my problem is ? i fucked up on the wot score! let me fix that".
mircea_popescu: im sure it's something else. "the community sold out", "the aliens hate me", plenty on the stupidlist.
cazalla: 3d gun got australian pollies in a tizzy, some were floating the idea of a licence for 3d printers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00077681 = 14.1247 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 4 hours ago
punkman: doesn't even trade on Nov 1
gribble: 1 XAU = 1174.4 USD = 3.59132748234 BTC
cazalla: sorry but that is hilarious
punkman: yeah I guess, a little lost on me
TheNewDeal: punkman, I think that gold bet was actually structured intelligently
punkman: TheNewDeal: I'd like it more if it said "yes if gold closes at $1200 or more on friday"
TheNewDeal: anyone could have checked the date, right?
TheNewDeal: I'm not sure if it was an accident, or on purpose. However, if it were on purpose, I applaud the author for a well crafted bet
TheNewDeal: because it read so similar to a lot of those other bets, but like you said, it was basically "gold closes above 1200"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "the aliens hate me" << this is a valid excuse when it comes to Klingons no?
assbot: extempore/deedbundler · GitHub
thestringpuller: punkman: who can upload deeds? is there an "approved users" list?
punkbot: TheNewDeal: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01592 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 144 more bundles.
punkbot: TheNewDeal: No pending deeds | Last bundle 4 hours and 7 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you ever seen saint john of las vegas ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal thestringpuller people in l2. same as voice.
mircea_popescu: do you also have a music band called psykosis or something ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9434 @ 0.00077901 = 7.3492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00077216 = 4.7874 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 7 BTC for No on "Silver price over $23/oz in 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/972/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.92196987 BTC. Current weight: 18,987.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00077216 = 6.988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00077216 = 4.8646 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: anyone here experienced with hacking firefox / conkeror?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9073 @ 0.00077215 = 7.0057 BTC [-] {2}
gabriel_laddel: bounce: I'm looking for a canonical reference for the entire API exposed by mozilla firefox (I realize there are two, JS and the XUL. I'd like both). I'm looking through the firefox extension documentation, but frankly, they're shit (eg, I want to open a new tab, where is the page describing this function call? not anywhere in the search!). If someone familiar with the sources knew of a few files that could be massa
gabriel_laddel: ged into the desired table via regexps, pointers would be greatly appreciated. I'll post the finished output of this somewhere permanent to make it worth your time. I'd like to call these functions while the program is running btw (via mozrepl). The format of the table I would like to generate:
http://paste.lisp.org/display/144251/raw bounce: not short on ambition, aren't you.
gabriel_laddel: bounce: I'm going to do this fucker once and for all and be done with it.
gabriel_laddel: no more fucking with browser versions, just abstract over one version in particular and never again upgrade.
bounce: that's a decade of poorly documented cruft you're looking to wade through
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I know. there must be a table avalible through some hack though, ie the master 'document' javascript object.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00077715 = 11.8904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7391 @ 0.00077715 = 5.7439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00077705 = 10.3348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5876 @ 0.00077769 = 4.5697 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20155 @ 0.00077853 = 15.6913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23745 @ 0.00077257 = 18.3447 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: still out of town, just have a few mins to catch up here
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: pete modified it << if i had the skillz to do that, we wouldn't need ben_vulpes asciilifeform mod6 and the real foundation ;)
pete_dushenski: this merely required a few updates to debian rather than the script
pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is he like the only b-a jew or something ? << am not! we're all rabbis here, neh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0007801 = 17.7863 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00077718 = 4.0841 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "So… You judge a society as successful if it has enough money for a vibrant arts scene but not enough to alleviate the effects of poverty? Call me crazy, but I don’t think the first of us started forming this grand experiment I call society just so we can finger-paint together." << lulzy contravex comment o' the day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7403 @ 0.00077281 = 5.7211 BTC [-]
punkman: mircea_popescu: do you also have a music band called psykosis or something ? << what's irish thrash metal got to do with me
punkman: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you ever seen saint john of las vegas ? << think I've seen that, what's mp's take on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8164 @ 0.00077178 = 6.3008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6686 @ 0.00076901 = 5.1416 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: Except who the fuck is in New York? << boring mr. lawlsky ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone taking bets on the name of the chick that informed mr fox as to the intricacies of the russian soul ? << even money on lolita
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00077415 = 2.3225 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00077014 = 17.1356 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0007716 = 10.1851 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.85 BTC. Current weight: 56,985.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Deed_title: A small puzzle - Pastebin.com
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.85 BTC. Current weight: 56,981.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.74305289 BTC. Current weight: 33,233.
assbot: Bundle 1KxPj5Py | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2310 @ 0.00077213 = 1.7836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00076901 = 1.4273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9184 @ 0.00076901 = 7.0626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4012 @ 0.00076893 = 3.0849 BTC [-]
assbot: Gaston eats 5-dozen eggs - YouTube
ben_vulpes: the downside to an unlimited buy wall as a consulting shop is the imperative to eat through as much of it as possible in the time allotted
ben_vulpes: i look away for what - a day, two? and you people only rack up 500 lines?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8554 @ 0.00076893 = 6.5774 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> ... $8500 << currently dealing with something very similar. programmer programs a thing in django, goes to "deploy" it but doesn't know much on the topic beyond "hey heroku's a good host". fast forward four years, heroku bill is now in excees of 300 dollars a month because it's so much easier for people who "just write code" (if plugging the duplo of rails or django into itself can be called such) to click the "yes please
ben_vulpes: terminate ssl for me for 20 dollars a month" button than to...terminate it themselves. on a box they control.
assbot: 2 results for 'robert viragh' - #bitcoin-assets search
ben_vulpes: this is what we do here, ninjashogun, and all others listening.
ben_vulpes: this is *the* public forum, and we keep *immutable* records of everything.
ben_vulpes: if you show up and make an idiot of yourself, history will show this forever.
ben_vulpes: the only way to change it is to bury it in a sea of "jeez, i guess i was wrong" and subsequent self improvement.
ben_vulpes: you had manifold opportunity to do such and instead doubled down on your idiocy.
ben_vulpes: i am having the praises of my dick sung to me
assbot: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist
ben_vulpes: if you know what you want and are willing to pay for it it's lovely.
ben_vulpes: clicky provisioning of solr, mongo, whatever
ben_vulpes: i wrote my own version of it in 2 weeks
ben_vulpes: json file describing what needs provisioning, and a script to stand it all up on aws.
ben_vulpes: to roll back, check out commit to which you want to roll back and provision a new cluster.
ben_vulpes: how many argentine pesos in 1/phi bitcoins, Bremsstrahlung2?
ben_vulpes: more specifically, asciilifeform, american webdev chumpatron.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15583 @ 0.00077647 = 12.0997 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: so sell your own heroku for a little less?
ben_vulpes: designed to be operated by professionals.
assbot: Re: Harlequin was: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is this meant to dissuade me from entering a saturated field?
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 6968268ccd854ca4c3caccab830341ccbc11ce629a7c2462a89103c3e98221c7
punkman: do I need to broadcast more aggressively, or do we need to change standard tx to 0.001
punkman: so if I want to make the next bundle, do start making chains of 0confs?
assbot: Get Out of Doge! Escape to the Final Frontier | Free State Project
mircea_popescu: well scams are mostly targetted to the scammed. it's how that game works.
punkman: so if I spend the only unspent tx in the address for a new bundle, previous tx is gonna get dropped right
mircea_popescu: yeah it is. you'll have to queue but not broadcast the next tx until this one gets included.
mircea_popescu: this sounds bad but it is acutally good, because it gives us a method to manage the problem. ie, to distinguish between accidental and "we really should increase tx size"
ben_vulpes: it's an actual fucking city, you nincompoops.
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01592 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 144 more bundles.
mircea_popescu: you can even code it in : when the queue exceeds 24 hours with more than 3 bundles waiting, or 48 with more than 0, increase tx size by 50%
mircea_popescu: 1LAwr. hey punkman did you mine for it or pure chance ?
punkman: picked it out the initial list electrum generated
assbot: Bundle 1KxPj5Py | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Deed HEvYcqtx | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: I wonder how many people hit on incredibly improbable but bothersome stuff like 1smallC0K or 1yoMOMMAisHO or 1JeSuSgAy w/e and as a result think bitcoin is evil and gather around the hater sites.
punkman: puzzle deed just confirmed
mircea_popescu: maybe pankkake tried to generate a bitcoin address, itcame out as 1systemdsux and his head explody
punkman: so bot updates trust list every 6 hours, should I make it spit out a message when it gets new keys?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0007751 = 6.8596 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: i don't think the redditards understand the consequences of a hardfork ~_~
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a) the notion that a reddit account = a person is rather bizarre. see
http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ by now i'd guess less than 10% are actual people ; b) this is in no way remarkable, they understand nothing of absolutely any other topic they consider, be it politics, sexual relationships or raising snails. this seems to have relatively little impact or importance outside of the
assbot: Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: so in short, nonpeople nonunderstanding nontopics. internet 4 winz.
thestringpuller: it's bizarre, but not unsurprising. similar to phenomenon of how people blindly follow what's told to them on Fox News or CNN.
mircea_popescu: well, "follow". you know ? whether usians believe X topic they have no control or influence over to be a or b, and whether they believe they have a lot or a little control over x topic they have no control over are in the end irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: whether someone thinks the sun comes out for their merits or for their sins is entirely their problem, as it were.
thestringpuller: well these (the redditards) are the same breed of lemmings that truly believe the sun rises in the west if the talking head on tv tells them it does.
mircea_popescu: they believe things more akin to "the moon is made of cheeze" and "jews did nyc"
thestringpuller: ^- there was a recent post on reddit about a guy who took his girlfriend to the west coast to view the sunrise
mircea_popescu: "elvis lives, feminism matters, we can save africa/the world/other entities that don't care to be saved nor do they care about us", stuff like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5397 @ 0.0007751 = 4.1832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00077117 = 8.4058 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: "in 1999, the Mexican-American organization LatinosUSA organized a boycott against Spic and Span because of the use of the word spic,"
mircea_popescu: and c-span organised a boycott against it, because, welll....
assbot: FBI demands new powers to hack into computers and carry out surveillance | US news | theguardian.com
xiando: "We'd just like to make sure we won't get in trouble for what we have already been doing for years down the line" -FBI
assbot: My Arbitrary Thoughts: Because my opinion matters. Apparently.
assbot: The problem of ideal social systems - reprint pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: hey mike_c how much did WoL make this month?
mike_c: mp has the numbers, not sure I should scoop the statement.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's getting published, what's the hgurry ?
punkbot: jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll let you do the honors with yours.
punkbot: ben_vulpes: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 6 hours and 32 minutes ago
assbot: Bundle 1KcphTS5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Bundle 1KcphTS5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
ben_vulpes: now i wish that i'd submitted mod6's signature with mine.
ben_vulpes: 'twould have been awesome to have both sigs on the charter in the same deed :(
ben_vulpes: i will be remembered for derping in public.
assbot: The English Mansion - Big femdom party. Some slave serve to Mistresses, some get punished.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can these people make anything they touch stolid.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: no more fucking with browser versions, just abstract over one version in particular and never again upgrade. <<< this sounds just like...
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: pete is now so on top of things he quotes stuff i published minutes prior.
jurov: r;;ident BingoBoingo
jurov: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
jurov: it says bad signature here, too
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature Primary key fingerprint: ADD7 A9A2 8F85 E5EF 1F51 904F 309B B8D7 F325 1143
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter << just happened again lol
mircea_popescu: punkman: saint john of las vegas ? << think I've seen that, what's mp's take on it << i thought it was somewhat similar to dead man. just as totally fucking absurd and meaningless, but not unpleasant neveretheless.
mircea_popescu: mostly because that reanimated corpse of buscemi is a very great weird actor.
punkman: he just finished his tv gig, wonder where he'll pop up next
assbot: Cum iti negociezi salariul ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Snapper's decisions: Whatever happened to REAL photography? • The Register
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes:... $8500 << ... in excees of 300 dollars a month << you have to understand, 300 a month may well be the threshold of "minimum we'd pay for servers". because it's a tiny sum.
mircea_popescu: 9k not the same, i don't care what the pretense at hand is.
mircea_popescu: "evolutionary path from amateur to professional has been economically closed off by marketing." <<< there isn't going to be a professional photographer anymore than there's going to be a professional dresser.
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, 300/mo is a piddling amount.
bounce: that is to misunderstand the point completely
ben_vulpes: but when the codemachine could run just as easily on 60/year...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends, maybe the 240 a month goes into creating a relationship with the provider or w/e. at that level, the skill of the manager is much more important than technical considerations. think of it, most embasies cost more than they have to.
jurov: BingoBoingo: if you do gpg --homedir /tmp --recv-keys 309BB8D7F3251143 , does it verify?
bounce: try and read the thing without assuming there won't be a professional photographer. there will be, just like photography didn't kill the painter.
jurov: using that homedir
assbot: Cum iti negociezi salariul ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes point remains, when you have a buy wall you increase the price, rather thna flatten yourself against it.
ben_vulpes: in retrospect though i probably could have negotiated half up front and charged another 25%.
bounce: nope. there's still painters around. shit, the 'web even gave rise to a whole new generation of amateurs and among them do progress to professional
mircea_popescu: bounce your argument that "there's still deluded idiots pretending that "painter" is an adequate synonym for "bum" " fails to support your earlier assertion that "photography hasn't killed painting".
mircea_popescu: there are, of course, still prohpets around. doesn't mean religion ain't dead.
bounce: you're not making much sense here, sorry.
assbot: Lumea nu-i de-ajuns pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: actually dali should probably get mention as the chief marketing whore rather than those two. makes little difference anyway.
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: gpg: Signature made Sun 02 Nov 2014 11:29:39 PM EET using RSA key ID F3251143
mircea_popescu: punkman there's gotta be soemthing the matter owht the bot
bounce: a quick search and I run into literally dozens of artists taking comissions, so not buying it, sorry.
kakobrekla: if bingo then go fuck yourself < problem
mircea_popescu: bounce why do you think "people calling themselves artists and asking for money" is an argument ?
mircea_popescu: i can find even more astrologers taking comissions, does this mean astrology is alive and well ?
bounce: similarly, plenty people snapshotting and not producing anything good, yet there's still a few who manage to produce decent photographs.
mircea_popescu: heck, i can probably find people soliciting to protect the us from alien invasion.
bounce: has astrology declined in influence?
bounce: so it was never important to you
mircea_popescu: chick goes to mp's great-granddad in 1514 "hey, this chick is born in so and so sign, marry her!" mp's granddad "hm, that;s an idea"
mircea_popescu: chick comes to me, "hey, this chick is born in so and so sign, marry her" i'm "leave here and never speak to me again"
bounce: that's only four generations, to span 500 years. I'm impressed.
mircea_popescu: i suppose since nancy reagan was hiring court astrologers the argument can be brought that the colonies were slower on the uptake, but be that as it may...
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, to summarize : the discussion as to whether a profession is doing ok or not, or even is still alive, can not rely on a discussion on they who call themselves followers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, all the benefits of being a prince in terms of the harem girls' awe, none of the risks in terms of the other dudes beheading you. i know all about the mental processes supporting adolescent frottage
bounce: there's a market for hand-painted portraits just as there is a market for professionally-done photographs. the argument re the latter is that the marketeering is busily making the required machinery unaffordable. my point was the mechanism at work.
mircea_popescu: not so many. just as many as poorly managed youth existed. it's a lengthy history full of gaps.
mircea_popescu: bounce what is this market for "professionally done photographs", wherein the definition of "professionally" is coherent with pre-digital photography ?
bounce: "policy driven fact finding" (see david nutt's firing)
mircea_popescu: then yes, there's a market for marketing-approved photography.
bounce: hmhm yet it's doing it, as a side effect of its market research and segmentation science.
jurov: your argumetn feels to me like saying since homosexuality is marketing-trending there are no real fags anymore
mircea_popescu: but by definition it can not. whatever it comes up with is actually the marketing-approved photography and all is well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26733 @ 0.0007707 = 20.6031 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov i bring as proof the difficulty real fags have in dating.
jurov: that's another thing. does not mean the real ones died out
jurov: professional photographers must have difficulty finding their ilk, too
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, so stated our dispute boils down to me saying that it is upon you either to present an outside criteria or else yield. (which is why i assumed your criteria is presented, and summarized it as "pre digital"). my point generally is that you can't present any meaningful criteria anyway.
mircea_popescu: so, no, it's no longer a profession. it's dead as its own thing, no matter who does what to whom.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't so dead at some point in 1920, of course, but that only to us. i'm sure in 1920 some similar dispute raged, either about draughstmanship or some other sort of engraving.
mircea_popescu: just like the plumber using silicone curing isn't a silicone professional in any sense.
bounce: "criteria" is plural, by the by. my takeaway is that I'm running into a bunch of preconceptions that make the discussion quite meaningless, so I'll yield while disagreeing.
mircea_popescu has a penchant for watching notions dieing a grizzly death in the field.
jurov: then...does any distiguished profession exist anymore?
mircea_popescu: generally the computer revolution has killed the outskirts and "empowered" the pure forms.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00077043 = 4.1603 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah. pure forms. writing, words or numbers. but not drawing, either.
mircea_popescu: afore the computer each sort of drawing was its own profession, with its own tools.
bounce always somewhat disliked TeX-typeset material. computer modern isn't a great look, even though each letter is shaped by whatwasit 60-odd parameters.
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mircea_popescu: the "profession" of photography is not evolving towards going back to film cameras. it's evolving towards drone cameras. they find the right spot on their own, fly around, take a bunch of photos for you etc.
jurov: bounce i just did /font {times}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform conversely, the fault of people who think they can so misapply their will.
mircea_popescu: "really honey, you wanna fuck but don't wanna suck ? oh, and this is up to you, is it ? stfu and swallow it!"
bounce: nah, that's remolding the argument in a clash of wills when availability makes lazy. different mechanism.
bounce: people writing emails in word, or stuffing anything remotely looking like a table in excel, "because it's there"
mircea_popescu: "Medium format system cameras also have interchangeable backs, so you can switch between monochrome, colour and Polaroid film in seconds. In due course, you would switch to a digital sensor and leave it there." << here.
mircea_popescu: guy in bar "i wanna piss on the ceiling" bartender "stfu and piss in the toilet, a toilet should be enough for all the pissing"
assbot: Disney Patents a Piracy Free Search Engine | TorrentFreak
assbot: Disney Patents a Piracy Free Search Engine | TorrentFreak
mircea_popescu: "because Disney.go.com is the official domain for The Walt Disney Company." << i have nfi how to put into words the idiocy of this
mircea_popescu: at least if they had made it .co.uk it'd have been complete.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the open secret here is that google for many years has no longer used computers to compile its list, but merely links wikipedia facebook and some other friends to the top by default.
mircea_popescu: disney is butthurt that it doesn't make that list, but it definitely never will.
bounce: disney does own go.com though
mircea_popescu: "Digital photography today is another victim of the dead hand of marketing, where short term gain overrides any other concern. Broadly speaking, marketing has created two types of camera. There are those with small chips that are cheap – increasingly incorporated into a cell phone – have a rubbish lens, need no skill to operate and therefore teach the user nothing. And then there are those cameras with big chips th
mircea_popescu: at are so expensive that even professionals cringe. It’s like owning a jumbo jet: you can’t afford not to fly it, hence the constant references to workflow in the marketing. Alas, in between these two types we find the equivalent of a valence band or forbidden zone." << this has nothing to do with marketing.
mircea_popescu: this is absolutely the rule of the world. why do you think there's monkeys and humans, and nothing in between ? author ever heard of punctuated equilibrium ?
mircea_popescu: this is how things naturally evolve, and it also happens to be the right way.
mircea_popescu: computers have worked exactly that same way, too. there's people who cli and then there's the hopeless horde looking for the any key. there's nothing in between, nor should there be, and kids learning to "program for the web" aren't ever going to become professionals.
mircea_popescu: money works the same way, there's us and there's reddit, and there's no real path for the redditard to get in the wot. sure, he could, but as the article says, "The small chip camera owner cannot cross the forbidden zone for 30 BTC reasons, and even if he did, he wouldn’t have the necessary skills."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just dug up the filing. Working on a write up.
assbot: Patent US20120066203 - Online content ranking system based on authenticity metric values for web ... - Google Patents
PeterL: for deedbot, if you have multiple deeds waiting for confirmation, could you combine the transactions into a single bitcoin transaction?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the only way to change it is to bury it in a sea of "jeez, i guess i was wrong" and subsequent self improvement. << a good point.
PeterL: I know they get bundled, but it sounds like you have to wait for one bundle's bitcoin transaction to confirm before sending the next transaction?
mircea_popescu: assbot: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist << oh he's the clueless idiot with yet another "bitcoin book" that's neither a book nor about bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that once you broadcast a tx, you no longer have control of it.
mircea_popescu: if you bundle its contents with later material you have constructed two competing txn, one of which will be introduced.
PeterL: yeah, so once you send the first transaction you have to let it be, but could bundles 2 and 3 be put on a single bitcoin transaction once 1 confirms?
PeterL: ah, so it keeps adding to bundle 2 until bundle 1 confirms?
PeterL: 64 what, deeds per bundle?
punkman: mircea_popescu: through electrum
mircea_popescu: then let it be, dubious adding more complexity will do anything.
punkman: yeah let's see if it works for more than 2 days this time
jurov did double take "no it's not porcelain"
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punkman: BingoBoingo: apparently you are BingoBoingo in one database and bingoboingo in the other
punkman: nanotube: shouldn't names match between GPG.db and RatingSystem.db?
mircea_popescu: punkman what happens should one try to register mirceA_Popescu ?
joecool: wat is this list and why am I on it?
nanotube: punkman: they should match plus or minus capitalization, at least.
joecool: oh hey nano, been forever how are you?
bounce: probably should follow irc nick equivalency rules, no?
joecool: mircea_popescu: good to know, still popular I guess
assbot: The Basic Income Community on Reddit
joecool: because /r/welfare got banned
thestringpuller: "what if instead of using that money for my needs I just stay at bobs house and buy the heroin while he pays for the house and we pool for food"
mircea_popescu: "Could someone point me to any good arguments AGAINST basic income?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00077232 = 4.5567 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because "fuck you" is apparently not good enough now o.O
thestringpuller: also i've always been meaning to ask this. is your name a reference to snoopy?
mircea_popescu: "Yes, but that's a common problem with ANY "socialist" measure to help workers, whether it be minimum wage or full blown communism, or anything in between. Global capitalism is a race to the bottom. If we keep playing that game, I see nothing but a dystopian future of neofuedalism and a regression to gilded age economic policies."
joecool: i really don't know what my name is a reference to, i've been using it so long now it just stuck
joecool: and no clue on why it got banned, it just is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "get money to pay for anything you might want for free"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the idiots work,.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what would the 2nd step be of a broom processing a program, if the broom were capable of processing programs ?
mircea_popescu: idiot's always felt emboldened by his purely political, stupideological decision that the effective, immediate answer of the intelligent "don't exist".