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BingoBoingo: Just talked to the lawyer. As long as I stay patient I jsut might win this case through attrition, the DA... just... can't... retain... licensed... lawyers
mats_cd03: i want you to know that ninjashogun
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, other people have been fine with them. It's better to have proposals and not want them than not to have them, for most people in a position to seriously consider them. (called 'dealflow').
ninjashogun: what's new, asciilifeform? what's been keeping you busy?
mats_cd03: you have no skills, nothing to offer besides talk without substance
mats_cd03: you should instead turn your attention to leeching from the government as others like you
mats_cd03: you'll have a better return on investment than derping here, i promise
TheNewDeal: TomServo what was the site with the charts such as btc/gold btc/wti ?
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mats_cd03: i have belonged to 2 cults prior to this one
mats_cd03: i left my faith behind at age 11 and enlisted at 18
mats_cd03: so forgive me if i think youre trite
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, it's hrad to see what you get out of making statements like this but you expressed to me privately that you were dissatisfied with your work and had to jump through mental hoops to justify how important it might turn out to be in hypothetical (and unlikely) situations. The truth is you could have a bigger impact doing something else, and you know this. (You brought it my attention.)
mats_cd03: i'm a disgruntled IT slave and you offer to enslave me instead
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, what do you mean "I offer to enslave you instead"? I didn't offer anything but told you you should do something in general terms, i.e. whatever you come up with. I didn't have a specific suggestion for oyu.
assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid.
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ninjashogun: asciilifeform, yes in the sense that several people here have said things like "I read thorugh that twice and don't see where USG comes in"
mats_cd03: i've observed both sides of the humint game and ninjashogun is just a failed mba
mats_cd03: anxious to con someone with talent for which to substitute as his own
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, I didn't try to hire anyone here!
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, you are literally talking exactly as described in the article I've just linked. This makes you feel better I guess?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, actually, scammers don't hvae a problem building up a WoT reputation as has been shown repeatedly through ultimately failed ponzi schemes, fraudulent exchanges, etc.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this entire "o hey, X event is exactly like Y dumbass article i found" is pretty cool tho.
mircea_popescu: shaman sitting on the steps of white house. "and now president will come out" obama pops out. shaman "i control the presidency!!!1"
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, it's pretty hard not to see how making random USG accusations isn't exactly the same as using a made-up hot-button "she used DMCA take-downs"?
mircea_popescu: because correlation may not be causation, but definitely is an academic career
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, that is a lot of negatives :)
ninjashogun: You're essentially saying everything I don't understand is deterministic (non-stochastic). Well, okay.
ninjashogun: What I mean is that that is the meaning of the sentence "things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground" gramatically. (though i understand you're just being rhetorical). after you factor out the double negatives.
ninjashogun: I don't htink that's the sole purpose of letting me speak.
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ninjashogun: I think you trolled hard enough for a couple of months to move on to something more constructive. Even weev did.
TheNewDeal: If you ever need a spamgun for hire, you know where to find him
mircea_popescu: 2. ignore them (they escalate, make your life more miserable, DDoS, ruin your career, etc. i.e. They Win) <<< wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: such nonsense, really. people this frail have no business in the public view. take a mcd job and be happy there
BingoBoingo: Plus to that is McD's is probably more a technology business than most startups
mircea_popescu: “That’s awful, but you gotta admit… hilarious!” Once again, high-fives all around. This is the world we have created.
mircea_popescu: dude everyone fancies themselves a "we" and a world creator
bounce: using a lot of automated (and suitably squaddie-proofed) tools does not a "technology company" make
bounce: linux and wireless is a neverending three stack soap opera
BingoBoingo: bounce, but they fuel even more automated and idiotproof machines
kakobrekla: i took out the wifi card in one of my laptops. im sure i can install another card.
bounce: needs more hello kitty decals
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ninjashogun: that is not an actual title, just the first line that was already quoted.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most laptops with bios locks on card models accept any mini-pci-e wireless cards in the second, cellular modem mini-pcie with just a bit of tape to cover a pin
bounce: what? no. build your own laptop. :-p
bounce: bunny huang did. well, the mainboard part. the rest is still "some assembly required".
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that is a hilarious cartoon. the punchline is great.
moldysnizz: I was just about to bitch that I funked up my gpg key, but it seems to be working again.
moldysnizz: Had to make a new one, the old had expired.
moldysnizz: Not really sure what the propper protocal is.
ninjashogun: guys, I've got to go, it's very late here. thanks for the up and the links, I'll talk to you next time.
moldysnizz: Crap. Gotta go to the store before beer sales end.
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moldysnizz: When I get back may I bug you about gpg stuff? I was hope'n to test some crap out. Maybe work on a howto sheet for nubs.
BingoBoingo: Now that cazalla's back trying to get back to 'Murica time for the qntra
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moldysnizz: Oh. I'm teathered to my phone. Need znc, must logout
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cazalla: xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 00:45:00; ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.
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mircea_popescu: <cazalla> xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference < << actually this is quite good advice.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's generally the common refuge of the inept, to pretend that "if they wanted"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate! << this thing where one just barfs raw HTML elements all over the page
nubbins`: did you paint your house grey?
nubbins`: with blue shutters that turn purple when you open them?
cazalla: catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks
cazalla: yeah, i'm reading it's venture capitalist Larry Marshall
nubbins`: you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults
cazalla: nubbins`, i actually like it
cazalla: but it is something that can be improved later
cazalla: anyway, while driving such long distances, i got to listening to let's talk bitcoin episodes and in one of the latests, adreas concedes bitcoin isn't for africa but maybe now philippines, argentina
cazalla: well, he said africa in a few decades maybe
cazalla: but more 2nd world because they have better internets
thestringpuller: argentina uses bitcoin for remittence right now from what I've read
cazalla: maybe i use 2nd world wrong
mod6: cazalla: i like how it looks. simple. and looks good with lynx.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah can't be bothered. but also am not depressed.
thestringpuller: "Not only is this confusing for consumers, it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices." << uh it fits an0
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults << i don't think that's stooping.
hanbot will write for gray and blue and purple sites
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the "working group" hasn't yet heard of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: they're belabouring on the outskirts of the fiat world still.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing insane about refusing to support lunacy
mircea_popescu: the converse, the expectation that everything is s upported, is insane.
mircea_popescu: you can't install airplane flaps on your car. somehow this is perfectly comprehensible. why should you be able to use a noncompliant usb stick ?
mircea_popescu: the false dichotomy here being that either you apple (onlt accept stuff we made) or else foss (accept any turd)
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is, only accept stuff that does x y z
mircea_popescu: whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.
mircea_popescu: build a machine from the ground up, that works like that.
assbot: Loper OS » The Hardware Culture, or: What They Build, Works! Can We Say the Same?
mircea_popescu: and sure, the coindesks of the world will derp about how "xe has difficulty with bitcoin". so ?
mircea_popescu: fuck them, they should be thankful for this difficulty now, and humbly submit
mircea_popescu: as much as we'd all like to see little machine guns come out of the chassis and blow things away
mircea_popescu: apparently tolerance as in the libtard notion has a lot of drawbacks
mircea_popescu: and the supposed benefits are not really that readily apparent. what's the benefit to beint tolerant supposed to be, again ?
mircea_popescu: something something powerless people ?. ahem... fuck em ?
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as smart as it would want to be. its direct equivalent would be "never rape anyone and enjoy being raped whenever it happens"
mircea_popescu: myeah. funny how obvious the obvious is once the correspondingly larger sex-and-money processor is put to the task.
mike_c: <+cazalla> catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks << luckily that's about the 50th most important thing..
mike_c: when's hanbot going to start contributing?
mike_c: probably can't curse as much as on the forums
thestringpuller: probably not a need since the intended audience isn't retards
mike_c: there is a need for good writers that know bitcoin.
hanbot: news doesn't call for it so often, i don't think.
mike_c: i've actually been impressed that they've managed to keep from cursing while talking about VC's and such
hanbot: mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << like an hour ago?
mike_c: look at that, i'm behind the times.
mike_c: i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again.
hanbot: gotta try new things :)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because modern111!1111 browser won't build there << what is the "modern browser" for ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << latest was hers neh ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again. << you have NO IDEEA how awesome this thing actually is
decimation: asciilifeform: somehow the browser has morphed into the 'new os' - and it's even shittier than wintel
decimation: old analog cell phones allocated 25 khz of dedicated bandwidth to each call (as I recall)
decimation: 'modern' phones allocate ~8kbit/sec w/lossy compression
decimation: but, you see now 'everyone' has a 'phone'
decimation: 'everyone' can 'use' a 'computer' and 'the internet'
decimation: I had opportunity to use an 'old' agilent spectrum analyzer a few days ago
mircea_popescu: decimation you know who was talking on the cellphone back in those old days ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: certianly not 'everyone'
mircea_popescu: i mean what, hollywood used it to establish just how speshul redford is to make sharon stone fucking him for money acceptable to the housewife in attendance
decimation: remember the 80's movies & tv where the rich guy in the limo has a 'car phone'?
decimation: you can buy an 'agilent e4406a' on ebay for ~$1k, covers 7mhz to 4 ghz, windows free
dub: dad had one in his porshe 924
decimation: my understanding is that early analog cell phones weren't even trunked, they had a dedicated channel while connected
assbot: “Progress” and “Revolution” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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decimation: the french revolution wasn't only caused by the socialists, it was also caused by the pathetic derpiness of the 'nobility' and monarchy
decimation: many of whom were actively trying to undermine the other nobility in the name of 'progress' etc
mircea_popescu: well this is a very difficult question. but a good part of it is that nietzsche and sartre are not innovators except formally. fundamentally, they were retracing preexisting ideas,
mircea_popescu: and so the superman and the existentialist are both models of the late french aristocracy
mircea_popescu: people with the drive to push the absurd quite very far, and with the means to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> i don't really like the mr trololo treatment << this was re the seuss link
decimation: I hadn't made the connection between french elite absurdity and Nietzsche - an interesting connection
decimation: the reddit of 1789, france was the Estates-General and the derpage associated with the third estate
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decimation: in contrast to the French revolution, the American revolution seems much more... conservative? The result of the American revolution largely enshrining the existing governing arrangement in place (while sowing the seeds of future destruction with lofty idiotic language that no one at the time took seriously)
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xanthyos: lol danielpbarron 97 minute mark with the hypothetical situation of you catching elton john buttfucking in your hotel
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mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
mircea_popescu: er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
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cazalla: this upcoming article, too speculative? some random shit kicker owes $$ while his company begins accepting bitcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Suppose you want to support strings and have a string comparison instruction. You might think that "it's done in the hardware", so it's blindingly fast. It isn't, because the hardware still has to access memory, one word per cycle. A superscalar/VLIW assembly loop would run just as quickly; the only thing you'd save is a few bytes for instruction encoding. On the other hand, your string comparison thingi
mircea_popescu: e has got you into several sorts of trouble" << my question is, why one word per cycle ?
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: oh I liked your comment about bitcoin not being for poor people
pakaka: these millineal socialist commies into bitcoin are dangerous
pakaka: that site is sort of irrelvent with what I have heard about the WOT though.
pakaka: I wonder if andreas antonopoulos is a Fed.
pakaka: i guess andreas antonopoulos didnt have any cash and had alexis buy him a pack of cigs and he said he would send her bitcoin for it
pakaka: after some bitcoin meetup in sf a few months ago
xanthyos: how do you collateralize loans for something whose value is so volatile?
mircea_popescu: lol this scamming the noobie carnie sounds so mark twain like.
xanthyos: i sure do love painting this fence
assbot: obeisance/pakaloloz (10-09-2014) - Tinychat
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thickasthieves: icahn is sending an open letter to apple today or something
thickasthieves: i bet it says they should buy paypal when it spins off
assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 10.6 Does price still lead difficulty?
assbot: Nope, China’s economy hasn’t yet surpassed America’s – Quartz
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assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 06:51:52; mircea_popescu: basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date
kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed.
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kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this
kakobrekla: any of the two is better than chestnuts
BingoBoingo: Almonds though are the worst, taste like cyanide.
cazalla: vanilla almonds are the best
cazalla: and with that, qntra australia signs off for the night
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fluffypony: "Media must follow certain ethical standards when reporting the news and at CCN, our team follows the standards to the letter."
mats_cd03: i just put some gluten in a marinade of sriracha, chopped garlic, and soy sauce
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mats_cd03: it shatters the mind how protein dense gluten is
mats_cd03: 5oz of seitan could be as much as 120g protein
fluffypony: thickasthieves: when did you go vegan?
thickasthieves: well, if you really wanna know, it's somewhat spiritual i guess, i dont like the idea of caging and torturing animals
thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit
fluffypony: my wife's just gone vegan (she's been vegetarian since she was 14)
fluffypony: also because of the way animals are treated
fluffypony: even the ones that aren't used for meat
thickasthieves: yes the wife is a factor, but it was my idea to go vegan
fluffypony: oh I was just comparing your reason to hers, I'm not vegetarian
thickasthieves: i also make clear that i dont have a problem with people eating meat in and of itself
fluffypony: do you tell everyone about how amazing it is being vegan and about how there's such a variety you can eat and then spend 45 minutes telling them about your vegan xxxxxx recipe?
mats_cd03: if it was legal and you told it was tasty, i would eat people
thickasthieves: no i only talk about it when asked and always say that discalimer
fluffypony: I find most vegans have a tendency to cross over that line from "oh interesting" to "ok shut up now"
thickasthieves: well the oh shut up now is basically ALL of what we say
thickasthieves: that said, ur all fukn murderous selfish neanderthals!
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thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly
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kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit meassage
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hagbardgroup: Thanks. I was told to lurk before speaking much, but 'hi all!'
nubbins`: maybe the shoddiest "report" i've seen outta these clowns
nubbins`: they so obviously just took Q2 report and changed the details: page 3 accidentally says "2nd quarter" instead of 3rd
nubbins`: P&L monthly detail shows July, August, and... June
nubbins`: not bad financials overall though, they only lost 40btc
nubbins`: "lost" in this context, of course, means "paid themselves"
nubbins`: 'cause sorry bru operating expenses don't ya know
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nubbins`: ;;later tell topace why are HIF reports such embarassing pieces of shit?
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thickasthieves: well i have two big monitors with charts on them at least
thickasthieves: so many people have been shorting on the way up, shorts at alltime high on bitfinex
assbot: CFTCs Global Markets Advisory Committee to Meet October 9, 2014
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nubbins`: canadian senate committee yesterday, cftc today
Apocalyptic: "to what extent the CFTC may perceive to have juridiction on the subject." // the "perceive" word is of prime importance I suspect
nubbins`: antononoypopoponpoynlyous testimony for canadian senate yesterday was pretty good
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Well, maybe someone actually bothers to call their toll free number
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's more of a radio thing than a tv thing, throw it on in the bg ;p
mircea_popescu: how about you write a piece of bitcoin news and submit it to cazalla princessnell ?
nubbins`: they carry that in argentina, right?
nubbins`: what channel do i watch my government on?
nubbins`: princessnell why not transcribe that video, it's only 2 hours long ;p
nubbins`: hmm, because i'm not in the mood to do favors?
nubbins`: mostly because transcribing 2h of video would be an incredibly arduous task
mircea_popescu: which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work.
nubbins`: it's work put on someone else tho
bounce: fobbing off is the thing to do
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work. << Why Vlogger's can't be relevant
nubbins`: i don't think the phrase "blew my mind" has a literal meaning
nubbins`: what does the verb "blow" mean in this context?
nubbins`: like, you blew a gasket? your mind stopped working and a part had to be replaced?
thickasthieves: "i think the most common use for bitcoin is charitable giving, donations, and tipping" antonop
thickasthieves: "a 10-year-old can create a (crypto)currency and that currency can be as secure as the currency created by a monarch" anotnop
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nubbins`: thickasthieves, but is it not true 8)
nubbins`: i believe he meant the cost of creating it
nubbins`: sorta like how you paid $7.25 to get ATC made or w/e
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thickasthieves: well in the context he is preaching glories of blockchain tech
nubbins`: ehh, you're reading too much into it
nubbins`: put another way: whether satoshi is a 10yo kid or Queen Beatrice, bitcoin is what it is
thickasthieves: i think he conveniently glosses over the security aspects of the conversation
nubbins`: it's the features, not the creator, that the relevance is applied to
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nubbins`: oh sure, but that's too low-level for a senate hearing
nubbins`: half those people in the room don't know what the fuck a computer is
nubbins`: just wait til the lady from NB starts asking questions.
thickasthieves: but its also hopeless to think common men can secure their coins themselves
nubbins`: agreed, 100%, and he admits as much
nubbins`: it's also hopeless to think that your bank can secure your money
nubbins`: difference is, banks try to make you believe the opposite
mircea_popescu: princessnell they were discussing some testimony or w/e
nubbins`: whereas btc fanatics will freak out at you and tell you that your security, no matter how tight, is brutally sub-par
thickasthieves: and then they go home and use their one mobile device to log in via 2fa on same
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ? <<< yes. people charitably gave to neobee so that antonoscampulous could bum ciggs off people and derp before the candian senate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.00097912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 174 satoshi per share
nubbins`: good thing none of us were tangled up in NEOBEE
mircea_popescu: and from what i recall reading about canadian politicians, it's n o wonder they invited him
nubbins`: ;;google canadian senate scandal
nubbins`: ;;google canadian senate marijuana 2002
mircea_popescu: maybe they start a new innovative coinplatfromscamderpage thing
nubbins`: wagging his chin at a bunch of ineffectual appointed lords?
mircea_popescu: now that neobee blew up, ethereum is gone into the hole etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12190364 BTC to 15`466 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
nubbins`: how long would one boil a chicken breast for, i wonder
nubbins`: ah, pulled it out at just the right moment
nubbins`: the idea is to have the middle slightly pink, so you can butterfly it and pan-fry
nubbins`: around seven was right. ten for a full-cook would be right on the money
nubbins`: what's antonpopnopnopnopn got to do with neobee again
mircea_popescu: bout the same he has to do with ethereum, or bitcoin generally.
mircea_popescu: he kept representing to the sort of idiots that follow him on reddit that it's a great thing.
mircea_popescu: and that he's done the research for them, and all is well, a lie easy for the derps in question to swallow seeing just how lazy and stupid they are.
assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE’s assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been “under-banked.” I must note, however, there
mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
mircea_popescu: anyway, authors being a coupla 19 yo cocklets fresh out of a stint as cook chefs, pretending to be finance this or that.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for today and as long as it lasts, antonoshithead is bitcoin's chief nigger. he's trying to parlay the nude use of words into as much free fried chicken as possible.
mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: devthedev: If you want to write for it submit a writing sample to cazalla
mircea_popescu: and we say ~we~re excited. imagine what it must be like @ cazalla hq.
BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping
assbot: Canadian Senate Hearings: My Opening Remarks | Andreas M. Antonopoulos
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nubbins`: forum thread's got a few of em framed
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i went in there expecting chick not chicken. #scam
thestringpuller: you would think an all girls university would be a great place to recruit chicks...
mircea_popescu: so you can't have gentlemen's clubs but you can have all cunt university ?!
thestringpuller: i think there are all male universities still around...but I don't know who would want to attend
thestringpuller: i usually think of gentelman's club == high class strip club
mircea_popescu: but you bring a good point huh. women do want to be in a flock of women. men... not so much
RagnarDanneskjol: I went to an all guys college for one year - there was so much ass around you wouldnt believe it. Hampden-Sydney college is surrounded by a number of all girls schools like sarah-lawrence and other schools attended by spoiled rich pure-bred top-shelf poon
RagnarDanneskjol: it worked out well - until I got expelled for fraternity shennanigans
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol so im confused. sarah-lawernce is afaik upstate ny. but apparently this Hampden-Sydney thing is in virginia ?
assbot: Never using Circle again : Bitcoin
RagnarDanneskjol: no - I got confused - there is sweet briar, mary-baldwin, and a few others. I spent some time @ sarah-lawrence later on. has been quite a few years
mircea_popescu: lol what is this, "if you remember the 60s you weren't there" ?
assbot: Urban Dictionary: Hampden-Sydney
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.46, Best ask: 383.67, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 383.66, 24 hour volume: 37509.54242863, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.228446462
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35021382515.8 based on data since last change | 33593487461.0 based on data for last three days
gribble: Current Blocks: 324568 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 7 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35021382515.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.03849
TheNewDeal: if it takes an hour to find each of these next blocks...
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 16 seconds
mircea_popescu: "If reason and charity cannot promote the cause of truth and piety, I cannot see how it should ever flourish under the withering fires of wrath and strife". it's incredible just how much damage the 18th and 19th century heretic clubs did to the us.
TheNewDeal: love how the s&p500 is just propped up on stilts.
mircea_popescu: both truth and piety are exactly the creation, both necessary and unavoidalbe, of wrath and strife. just like equilibrium in mammals is the result of muscular activity, not of silent contemplation.
ben_vulpes: "sarah lawrence: where the girls become women and the boys do too"
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kakobrekla: i guess i need to temporarily switch this back on
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.54, Best ask: 375.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 375.0, 24 hour volume: 39347.55631242, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.929726172
TheNewDeal: is cafe con miel popular in buenos aires?
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 43 seconds
thickasthieves: maybe miners are colluding to stop people from selling
ceelo: how do u auth with gribble
gribble: Error: "nigga" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015 :: 0.31 B (44%) on Yes, 0.4 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`231 (100`000 to 1)
ceelo: how do you get 'in the wot'
gribble: Time since last block: 22 minutes and 14 seconds
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45986): 0 hour(s), 48 minutes
assbot: ceelo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: Introducing GIFV – Imgur Blog
thickasthieves: BingoBoingo> thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself? // can you clarify?
ivok: hello everyone :) to use my voice
ivok goes back to lurking
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed. << good point ok
gribble: Current Blocks: 324578 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1.13932137867e+11 | Estimated Percent Change: 225.49731
mike_c: cracked 250 exahash. this is getting out of hand.
TheNewDeal: i remember there was ~280 a few weeks ago?
mike_c: on short term estimates, yeah. difficulty just cracked 250 phash tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.59699953 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 56.42232407 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
mpoe: ;;eregister mpoe EE2BDEF602DD2D91
gribble: Current Blocks: 324579 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 70004998058.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 100.0001
mpoe: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e84e5e818cd8d59b7a141cdf633cc6656f3ef0943fca7dc9139d4e2a
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user mpoe with key EE2BDEF602DD2D91
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mpoe', with GPG key id EE2BDEF602DD2D91, key fingerprint 2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D91, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate mpoe 1 Current MPEx account for #bitcoin-assets deed purposes
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mpoe has been recorded.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this <<< ikr? me too!
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit << actually i think most serious animalagans eat freeranged.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly <<< AAAANNDD they don't even quote trilema. not like it's been a secret over here, for the past half year or so.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15915 @ 0.00074175 = 11.805 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Nobel prize winner Patrick Modiano’s Wikipedia page changed to add note to “the reporter now copying from Wikipedia” (PHOTO).
thickasthieves: this Ulbricht response update is the first juicy thing I saw on qntra first, grats!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Bam, news'd it up. <<< gotta love this guy
mike_c: hehe, i scooped the lawyers yesterday: "It apparently confuses php with MySQL"
mircea_popescu: okies, logs done, discussions had, havoc caused, work reviewed (btw the eulora art is looking wunderbar) and so i guess ima bbl.
mike_c: thickasthieves: the pdf is no better
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: The textblock is as the pdf presented it. It is a legal format problem.
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: It's a defense filing. The point is to be clear. A prosecution filing though has the other perogative, to bury with text that might have meaning.
TheNewDeal: somehow missed that this little cftc topic was bitcoin... gonna go brew up some popcorn, catch a few good laughs
TheNewDeal: does anyone have a link to the cftc live cast
TheNewDeal: somehow they don't know how to link to a video
kakobrekla: id guess they took a break for smoke and pancakes
TomServo: (Please continue to stand by. This meeting will begin momentarily).
kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
☟︎ jurov is ashamed to not understand teh "self certified Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract"
jurov: even if i understood, i'm on mobile net atm
jurov: i barely understand that..but all the adjectives
cazalla: mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too <<< i can't sit and watch that guy for 2 hours
thickasthieves: it means, according to provided guidelines, the exchange created a swap instrument for people to trade, hedge, and collateralize with, settled in dollars only, it's like a way to borrow bitcoin
kakobrekla: It is a bilateral, non-cleared trade that has credit support Annex, collateral delivery by either side to support the trade.
kakobrekla: It is nondeliverable. No Bitcoins exchange. This is a US cash settled forward.
thickasthieves: right, but they still need bitcoins to have value on the other end
thickasthieves: like in bitfinex it's a swap market, users provide swap offers themselves
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping <<< yes it is atm, for every vegan in #b-a, a rabbit is slain with vengeance
cazalla: thickasthieves, they have a good life up until that point :P
cazalla: not much, 7am here so morning cuppa tea is in order
cazalla: yes, everyone loves how the design looks
kakobrekla: just like everyone loves that bitcoin poster.
mats_cd03: bunny ranch elicited a different imagery
kakobrekla: > it can be physically delivered just for the same reason the commission recognizes physical delivery in a sense of other intangible commodities such as pollution rights
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ;o
TomServo: kakobrekla: yeah, wtf is that?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey instead of refund can I just get another poster :( the USPS can't find it
kakobrekla: Tom Leahy mentioned earlier that TeraExchange has an information agreement with every exchange to establish index.
kakobrekla: Every one of those exchanges in that agreement has agreed to supply as the details and they all do AML, KYC on all of the people trading on each of the exchanges.
kakobrekla: The exchanges that do not provide us this cannot be on this. We are not ascribing to anonymous trades that are happening out in the market place.
TomServo: I wish we could've seen the face she made when Vito exclaimed "I KNOW!".
kakobrekla: >>>: To questions. The first is how do you know there is no fraud or backdoors built in to the initial code? And then the second is if all the goodie is coming from the block chain, why not just put dollars on the block chain?
kakobrekla: wtf is this bitcoin 101 for kindergarten
TomServo: okay, this is pretty good ahahaha
thickasthieves: kako "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset."
kakobrekla: "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset (that isnt really there)."
thickasthieves: well their website solicits 'liquidity providers' for the btc ndf
thickasthieves: if the traders are their own counterparties,i guess it works as bets pretty much
kakobrekla: so they can avoid calling themselfs a bucket shop
TheNewDeal: jurov there's no reason one should ever want to understand a non-deliverable bitcoin future
assbot: Full Transcript of US Commodity and Futures Trading Commision Bitcoin Session : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: This livestream actually had a decent if lagging caption stream. Figure this is a race.
TheNewDeal: could you include pictures of the cftc representatives, preferably with a penned-in moustache?
BingoBoingo: Live streaming widget was tiny, usually had powerpoint slides instead of people. Feared fullscreening the widget lest the text be lost.
kanzure: went very poorly. those panelists were clueless.
kanzure: multiple panelists format is probably too broken anyway
kanzure: because it's hard enough to get a single person that understands bitcoin
kanzure: much less five separate people
kanzure: and then you have message confusion....
BingoBoingo: Maybe message confusion is what they want?
TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit
kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
☟︎ kanzure: unfortunately it was the panelists that were learning about bitcoin
TheNewDeal: those were their smartest questions possible
kanzure: "how is the blockchain secured?" "well it's open source"
kanzure: that is not an appropriate answer
kakobrekla: "lets go to class to learn about this thing we know nothing about."
kanzure: that's not how public access in government works
kakobrekla: "even better, live broadcast it, you can do it nowdays!"
kanzure: so you're against all federal livestreaming, or just some of it?
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 21:35:31; kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
thickasthieves: and for real, you cant learn about bitcoin before your meeting?
kakobrekla: oh my bad, if the didnt call it a conference all bets are off
kanzure: they had pre-reading where they studied the material given to them that described bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2014 17:15:16; asciilifeform: 'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"'
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.54237601 BTC. Current weight: 56,714.
kanzure: i said they had read it, not that they ignored it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47825 @ 0.00074151 = 35.4627 BTC [-] {2}
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: FYI, just had a 5 minute outage. My primary internet's been down for a day now, and my backup just glitched.
X-Rob: I'll try to keep an eye on it, but, all my alerting is broken because my main conneciton is down
X-Rob: so.. I've discovered a flaw there 8)
cazalla: ;;later tell sgarnick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
cazalla: ;;later tell sgornick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
TheNewDeal: missed the second * and thought gribble was failing basic maths
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00074126 = 10.0441 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So far qntra's bigger in Kenya than South Africa.
X-Rob: 373 blocks until difficulty changes
mircea_popescu: an interesting alternative entry point into the theory of teh bezzle
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.0, Best ask: 360.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 360.85, 24 hour volume: 47558.47213155, 24 hour low: 348.3, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.563472311
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 16:13:02; mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a sample script for the bitcoin cartoons?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nope. it was inteded as open mic here, if the guy were interested.
BingoBoingo: Since kakobrekla prolly wants to see it again: * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
kakobrekla: hehe thanks BingoBoingo - i now enabled those messages temporarily so i am able to follow
BingoBoingo: You're welcome. I just thought... Maybe you'd wait until the polar bears all became exclusively aquatic before ever watching join/parts
kakobrekla: but yeah, i feel remembered that i dont miss em.
BingoBoingo: It's the price of not being poor like earier this week
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313712.44 in 372 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.30
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
thestringpuller: Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN!
assbot: Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN! : Bitcoin
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gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.68, Best ask: 364.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 364.68, 24 hour volume: 47802.41474800, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.330477846
Jezzz: thx thestringpuller