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thestringpuller: ;;google web of trust database
gribble: Check links against the Web of Trust database - Meta Stack Exchange: <http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58558/check-links-against-the-web-of-trust-database>; WOT Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOT_Services>; "World's Largest Public Hacker Database" | Forum | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/31000--world-s (1 more message)
thestringpuller: !s web of trust database
assbot: 3 results for 'web of trust database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=web+of+trust+database
thestringpuller: nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ ?
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: i keep getting permission denied... :(
thestringpuller: nvm. stupid me
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/identitymind-global-add-25th-bitcoin-client/
BingoBoingo: Just talked to the lawyer. As long as I stay patient I jsut might win this case through attrition, the DA... just... can't... retain... licensed... lawyers
thestringpuller: wait what?
thestringpuller: you're on trial?
asciilifeform: !up ninjashogun lol
ninjashogun: hi, asciilifeform
ninjashogun: bored?
thestringpuller: i am
mats_cd03: your business proposals suck
thestringpuller: but are amusing
mats_cd03: i want you to know that ninjashogun
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, other people have been fine with them. It's better to have proposals and not want them than not to have them, for most people in a position to seriously consider them. (called 'dealflow').
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Still the misdemeanor
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: i'm thestringpuller
thestringpuller: no The20YearIRCloud
thestringpuller: not*
thestringpuller: lol
BingoBoingo: * thestringpuller, yeah autocomplete
thestringpuller: :D
ninjashogun: what's new, asciilifeform? what's been keeping you busy?
BingoBoingo: Long day full of turning wood into mulch
mats_cd03: you have no skills, nothing to offer besides talk without substance
mats_cd03: you should instead turn your attention to leeching from the government as others like you
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: actually he does have one thing to offer - the truth about why he came here. but i don't expect to hear it.
mats_cd03: you'll have a better return on investment than derping here, i promise
TheNewDeal: TomServo what was the site with the charts such as btc/gold btc/wti ?
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, (and others) I found this article interesting and very relevant to the culture you're buliding here. http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8425501
assbot: Trouble at the Koolaid Point | Hacker News
mats_cd03: i have belonged to 2 cults prior to this one
mats_cd03: i left my faith behind at age 11 and enlisted at 18
kakobrekla: this is a cult?!
mats_cd03: so forgive me if i think youre trite
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, it's hrad to see what you get out of making statements like this but you expressed to me privately that you were dissatisfied with your work and had to jump through mental hoops to justify how important it might turn out to be in hypothetical (and unlikely) situations. The truth is you could have a bigger impact doing something else, and you know this. (You brought it my attention.)
mats_cd03: huh
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, you should have a read at http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point -- I found it very enlgihtening.
dub: its banal and whiny
mats_cd03: i'm a disgruntled IT slave and you offer to enslave me instead
asciilifeform: aha the doxxing crap
mats_cd03: how generous of you
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, what do you mean "I offer to enslave you instead"? I didn't offer anything but told you you should do something in general terms, i.e. whatever you come up with. I didn't have a specific suggestion for oyu.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: see, you have to understand, poor fella's just trying to do a job here. station chief said, 'recruit mole, your budget is initially $0.' so he's gotta do it, or at least fail convincingly.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: https://weev.livejournal.com/409913.html
assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun "others" who ?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, tihs is exactly why I linked you http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point -- saying this is literally exactly the same as the DMCA allegation. Nobody knows hwere you came up with it.
asciilifeform: 'nobody.'
asciilifeform: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ninjashogun
assbot: Rating Details for User 'ninjashogun'
BingoBoingo: !b5
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, yes in the sense that several people here have said things like "I read thorugh that twice and don't see where USG comes in"
mats_cd03: i've observed both sides of the humint game and ninjashogun is just a failed mba
mircea_popescu: !up SweeteDad
mats_cd03: anxious to con someone with talent for which to substitute as his own
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, I didn't try to hire anyone here!
asciilifeform: sufficiently abject failure can look like other kind of sufficiently abject failure
asciilifeform: like the static on a screen contains many 'movies'
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/27Z74B5.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
asciilifeform: humint bugger has to tend, befriend, schoozle, bamboozle - before he is ever permitted to hire. at least in the civilized world - can't speak for crazyland
mircea_popescu: yeah hiring for that is like hiring for the press
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone ever gets paid anymore.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, you are literally talking exactly as described in the article I've just linked. This makes you feel better I guess?
asciilifeform looks forward to seeing butterfly collections fill up with folks banging on the door of the wot, 'i'm not a spammer! here's 150 friends who swear! and none of them are in, it's because you drink koolaid'
mircea_popescu: it is kinda lulzy.
asciilifeform: fresh butterfly milk.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, actually, scammers don't hvae a problem building up a WoT reputation as has been shown repeatedly through ultimately failed ponzi schemes, fraudulent exchanges, etc.
asciilifeform: wot is a stochastic system, like thermodynamics.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: the air in your fist can heat up to 1000c, theoretically, by itself
asciilifeform: but go and wait for it.
mircea_popescu: this entire "o hey, X event is exactly like Y dumbass article i found" is pretty cool tho.
mircea_popescu: shaman sitting on the steps of white house. "and now president will come out" obama pops out. shaman "i control the presidency!!!1"
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, it's pretty hard not to see how making random USG accusations isn't exactly the same as using a made-up hot-button "she used DMCA take-downs"?
mircea_popescu: because correlation may not be causation, but definitely is an academic career
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, that is a lot of negatives :)
ninjashogun: You're essentially saying everything I don't understand is deterministic (non-stochastic). Well, okay.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm not.
ninjashogun: What I mean is that that is the meaning of the sentence "things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground" gramatically. (though i understand you're just being rhetorical). after you factor out the double negatives.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: let's start with the basics. you come here, knowing that the sole purpose of allowing you to speak is, more or less, public vivisection for our pleasure. and yet you come. this suggests that you are carrying out your duties to earn your bread.
ninjashogun: I don't htink that's the sole purpose of letting me speak.
TheNewDeal: ;;estimate
asciilifeform: i sympathize with any poor sod who grunts in a salt mine doing something bloody ludicrous and humiliating, but this has to break some sort of record.
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35099821874.7 based on data since last change | 35178251876.6 based on data for last three days
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324475 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35099821874.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.26479
ninjashogun: I think you trolled hard enough for a couple of months to move on to something more constructive. Even weev did.
asciilifeform: !down ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: anyway, this chick is so overdramatic.
asciilifeform: if someone has another purpose for him - let's have it
BingoBoingo: Shave the feathers?
TheNewDeal: If you ever need a spamgun for hire, you know where to find him
asciilifeform: we all know where the button is, yes.
asciilifeform: except, i suspect that he rarely goes hungry.
mircea_popescu: eh guy's not actually useful, just derpy.
asciilifeform: hell, when we turn his microphone off, we're doing him a favour. perhaps they let him clock out then.
mircea_popescu: 2. ignore them (they escalate, make your life more miserable, DDoS, ruin your career, etc. i.e. They Win) <<< wait, wut ?
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. government. (or any other government). Other than holding citizenship and in the interests of absolute full disclosure, I served briefly in the military. This isn't text or me saying it
asciilifeform: lulzies
mircea_popescu: such nonsense, really. people this frail have no business in the public view. take a mcd job and be happy there
BingoBoingo: Plus to that is McD's is probably more a technology business than most startups
BingoBoingo: A lot of automation there
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: “That’s awful, but you gotta admit… hilarious!” Once again, high-fives all around. This is the world we have created.
mircea_popescu: dude everyone fancies themselves a "we" and a world creator
mircea_popescu: anyway, enough of that derpage.
bounce: using a lot of automated (and suitably squaddie-proofed) tools does not a "technology company" make
asciilifeform spent 3 days getting a wireless card to work, all because some shitgnome silently removed support for 'wireless extensions' in a driver (e.g. 'iwconfig') in the name of chope and hange.
bounce: linux and wireless is a neverending three stack soap opera
BingoBoingo: bounce, but they fuel even more automated and idiotproof machines
asciilifeform: bounce: only really an issue on laptops, where you can't install a civilized replacement for $gizmo
mircea_popescu: well... usb.
asciilifeform: then it isn't a laptop, but a crate of crapolade on wires
asciilifeform: that, e.g., you can't switch off (how does the usb dongle behave on power-low mode? etc)
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> I think you can improve your device by communicating with the host in any other way (LED and webcam, speaker and microphone, whatever), other than as a USB device, which I don't think is the most secure interface for your usage case. No, I didn't have anyone else tell me to tell you this!
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: i can't resist!
bounce: so !up and at'em
asciilifeform: !up ninjashogun
kakobrekla: i took out the wifi card in one of my laptops. im sure i can install another card.
BingoBoingo: reeses: 'Muricanized AK http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bcam02.jpg << Nao Pink
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: quite a few of the newer boxes deliberately choke if you install an aftermarket card (if you can even find one that fits the slot)
bounce: needs more hello kitty decals
ninjashogun: this is the actual pastebin, so we're not being selective - http://pastebin.com/hT9RJN0S
assbot: <ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. govern - Pastebin.com
ninjashogun: thanks, assbot lol
asciilifeform: right
ninjashogun: that is not an actual title, just the first line that was already quoted.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most laptops with bios locks on card models accept any mini-pci-e wireless cards in the second, cellular modem mini-pcie with just a bit of tape to cover a pin
mircea_popescu: http://data.whicdn.com/images/15549266/hello-kitty-580x886_large.jpg ?
mats_cd03: such praise for asciilifeform
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not this one.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate, these are legion.
asciilifeform: the correct solution would be to quit doing work that requires laptops, but i cannot afford this.
bounce: what? no. build your own laptop. :-p
bounce: bunny huang did. well, the mainboard part. the rest is still "some assembly required".
asciilifeform: bounce: that is not a laptop.
asciilifeform: a turd is not a sausage, even if you eat with relish.
bounce: well, a SMOD then.
asciilifeform: bounce: http://oglaf.com/delusionist
assbot: Delusionist
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that is a hilarious cartoon. the punchline is great.
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: Well, hi there
BingoBoingo: Hello
moldysnizz: I was just about to bitch that I funked up my gpg key, but it seems to be working again.
moldysnizz: Had to make a new one, the old had expired.
moldysnizz: Not really sure what the propper protocal is.
BingoBoingo: Don't put expiration dates on the keys?
moldysnizz: Hmmm
moldysnizz: OK
ninjashogun: guys, I've got to go, it's very late here. thanks for the up and the links, I'll talk to you next time.
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (21.35-1.4)/98
gribble: 0.203571428571
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (21.35-1.4)/98*3600
gribble: 732.857142857
moldysnizz: Crap. Gotta go to the store before beer sales end.
moldysnizz: Get some shit tickets too!
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: Well, get to work on that
TheNewDeal: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 3 seconds
moldysnizz: heh. Ya, it's getting cold out.
moldysnizz: Plus, beer.
moldysnizz: When I get back may I bug you about gpg stuff? I was hope'n to test some crap out. Maybe work on a howto sheet for nubs.
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: If I'm awake.
BingoBoingo: Now that cazalla's back trying to get back to 'Murica time for the qntra
moldysnizz: Rock'n catch ya later BingoBoingo
moldysnizz: I don't know what any of that means.
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: There's a lot to catch up on.
moldysnizz nods
TomServo: TheNewDeal: https://www.kimonolabs.com/bitcoin/correlator
assbot: kimono : Bitcoin Correlator
TheNewDeal: gracias
moldysnizz: Oh. I'm teathered to my phone. Need znc, must logout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00074202 = 13.8387 BTC [-] {2}
TomServo: de nada
nanotube: <thestringpuller> nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ <- i think you probably mean "cant", and the answer is i don't know, neofutur keeps that mirror. you can wget from bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: thanks nanotube! i didn't know the main one.
cazalla: xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference
nanotube: np :)
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moldysnizz off to bed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 doesn't understand the WoT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#865707 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 00:45:00; ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from 1 to -1.
thestringpuller: oh its danielpbarron
thestringpuller: i haven't seen you in a bit
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference < << actually this is quite good advice.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's generally the common refuge of the inept, to pretend that "if they wanted"
thestringpuller: you garden in your new place mircea_popescu ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate! << this thing where one just barfs raw HTML elements all over the page
nubbins`: did you paint your house grey?
thickasthieves: Tim Draper to head CSIRO
nubbins`: with blue shutters that turn purple when you open them?
cazalla: catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks
thickasthieves: hmm
thickasthieves: is my google lying to me
thickasthieves: yeha it is
thickasthieves: fukn spam sites
nubbins`: cazalla weird, i wonder why
cazalla: yeah, i'm reading it's venture capitalist Larry Marshall
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-foundations-financial-standards-working-group-publishes-agenda/
nubbins`: you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults
cazalla: nubbins`, i actually like it
nubbins`: well, there's that :D
cazalla: but it is something that can be improved later
thestringpuller: make it work first
thestringpuller: make it pretty later?
cazalla: anyway, while driving such long distances, i got to listening to let's talk bitcoin episodes and in one of the latests, adreas concedes bitcoin isn't for africa but maybe now philippines, argentina
thestringpuller: did he say why not africa?
cazalla: well, he said africa in a few decades maybe
cazalla: but more 2nd world because they have better internets
thestringpuller: argentina uses bitcoin for remittence right now from what I've read
thestringpuller: argentines use*
cazalla: maybe i use 2nd world wrong
thestringpuller: probably less red tape to deploy an atm in the 2nd world.
thestringpuller: if none at all.
mod6: cazalla: i like how it looks. simple. and looks good with lynx.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah can't be bothered. but also am not depressed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how do you do html, xml-encapsed ?!
mircea_popescu: o look at that, hanbot qntra.
thestringpuller: "Not only is this confusing for consumers, it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices." << uh it fits an0
thestringpuller: and zero asset...
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults << i don't think that's stooping.
hanbot will write for gray and blue and purple sites
asciilifeform: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-input/msg33095.html << turd? yes. but here's a little story behind it. think, why would anyone build a device like this?
assbot: Re: USB reset xhci_hcd for ELAN touchscreen -- Linux Input
mircea_popescu: so the formidable mpoe-pr lives :D
asciilifeform: (what kind of device? a 2d plane digitizer that sits on usb, meant to be used as 'touch' gizmo. and it pisses GBs of usb disconnect garbage into log -if and only if you don't use it-.)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the "working group" hasn't yet heard of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: they're belabouring on the outskirts of the fiat world still.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like a canary of sorts ?
asciilifeform: sorta.
asciilifeform: why i even mention it? because it's an example of a device that loudly, proudly, pisses on the usb spec (spirit and letter thereof) but is tolerated because for most people - it appears harmless.
asciilifeform: but build a system where it isn't milked (usb pipe with non-null payloads kept going) and drown in shit.
asciilifeform: and incidentally, i know just how the author arrived at this - he probably used the 'watchdog' feature of the micro which implements the device
asciilifeform: i.e., register that cycles its power if not updated every x msec.
asciilifeform: and only updated guess where - interrupt handler (that's only entered if os is using the digitizer, naturally)
asciilifeform: i don't even have to disassemble the beast, extract the fw, and reverse it to have a pretty solid guess
asciilifeform: moral: turdware is everywhere
asciilifeform: moral2: 'crashes as response to unexpected inputs - incl. lack of input - are ok' attitude is a plague that corrupts everything it touches.
asciilifeform: moral3: it is contagious. because it is impossible to implement a sane os which handles this insane device and adds up to sanity.
mircea_popescu: could just ignore it
asciilifeform: but that's not sane.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing insane about refusing to support lunacy
asciilifeform: 'enumerated badness'
mircea_popescu: the converse, the expectation that everything is s upported, is insane.
asciilifeform: yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation
mircea_popescu: you can't install airplane flaps on your car. somehow this is perfectly comprehensible. why should you be able to use a noncompliant usb stick ?
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck does there have to be more than one way to talk to a mouse ?
mircea_popescu: the false dichotomy here being that either you apple (onlt accept stuff we made) or else foss (accept any turd)
asciilifeform: i recently had the occasion to read a treatise on machine screws.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is, only accept stuff that does x y z
asciilifeform: somehow, the world arrived at a handful of precisely defined thread types that are interoperable.
mircea_popescu: whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.
asciilifeform: precisely.
mircea_popescu: this is enough of a revolution in computing as is.
mircea_popescu: build a machine from the ground up, that works like that.
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=37
assbot: Loper OS » The Hardware Culture, or: What They Build, Works! Can We Say the Same?
mircea_popescu: and sure, the coindesks of the world will derp about how "xe has difficulty with bitcoin". so ?
asciilifeform: ^ written long ago
mircea_popescu: fuck them, they should be thankful for this difficulty now, and humbly submit
mircea_popescu: the difficulty later will be worse.
thestringpuller: !up jacoblyles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my turd, if it had a point, mainly had the point of - the grave harm of 'tolerance.'
mircea_popescu: well, tolerance understood as, "ignore it".
mircea_popescu: as much as we'd all like to see little machine guns come out of the chassis and blow things away
asciilifeform: when you turn up one of these pieces of junk, on your desk, or worse yet, chained to it (yes, you bought one set - can buy another, what'll the crapolade be in the next gadget?) - it happens because other folks - lived with it.
asciilifeform: because someone decided to be 'tolerant.'
asciilifeform: and 'helpful.'
mircea_popescu: apparently tolerance as in the libtard notion has a lot of drawbacks
asciilifeform: forced mistake, in many cases - sometimes, you have the luxury of setting fire to the whole shebang and walking away
mircea_popescu: and the supposed benefits are not really that readily apparent. what's the benefit to beint tolerant supposed to be, again ?
asciilifeform: other times - no
mircea_popescu: something something powerless people ?. ahem... fuck em ?
asciilifeform: somebody gets fucked, regardless, just like something had to burn to power my computer to write this (precious little fission or hydro where i live)
danielpbarron is about to be on donkdown http://www.donkdown.com/live-radio/
assbot: DonkDown – Live Radio
asciilifeform: question instead is, what burns, what kind of exhaust gas
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron have fun
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: familiar with 'postel's law' ?
mircea_popescu: ie robustness
asciilifeform: it's a little gibblet of dreary nonsense parroted in defense of the the kind of crap described earlier.
asciilifeform: 'be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send.'
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as smart as it would want to be. its direct equivalent would be "never rape anyone and enjoy being raped whenever it happens"
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't go very far now would it.
asciilifeform: perfectly sane 2nd half is like a needle through which 1st clause is injected through your brain.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: myeah. funny how obvious the obvious is once the correspondingly larger sex-and-money processor is put to the task.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the postel crap reminds me of the fountain through which the bulk of modern pc retardation flows forth: the web browser. as in, literally the only reason one cannot use os setup circa, e.g., 2001 (with a patch here & there)
asciilifeform: because modern111!1111 browser won't build there
asciilifeform: and if built (miracle, hand-massaged bottle-fed libraries, etc) won't run.
asciilifeform: because won't fit in 64M of the machine in question
asciilifeform: for no particular or identifiable reason.
asciilifeform: why, precisely, does it take four megs to render a tab filled with 1kb of ascii text?
asciilifeform: because herpderpr0gr355?
mike_c: <+cazalla> catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks << luckily that's about the 50th most important thing..
mike_c: when's hanbot going to start contributing?
mike_c: probably can't curse as much as on the forums
thestringpuller: probably not a need since the intended audience isn't retards
mike_c: there is a need for good writers that know bitcoin.
thestringpuller: not a need for cursing*
thestringpuller: sorry for ambiguity
mike_c: oh :) yeah.
hanbot: news doesn't call for it so often, i don't think.
mike_c: i've actually been impressed that they've managed to keep from cursing while talking about VC's and such
hanbot: mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << like an hour ago?
mike_c: oh? cool.
mike_c: look at that, i'm behind the times.
mike_c: i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again.
hanbot: gotta try new things :)
thestringpuller: or bitcoin magazine, or r/bitcoin...
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because modern111!1111 browser won't build there << what is the "modern browser" for ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << latest was hers neh ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again. << you have NO IDEEA how awesome this thing actually is
mircea_popescu: the reveal, late oct/early november ☟︎
mike_c: exciting!
asciilifeform: what is the "modern browser" for << search engines & their output, mostly.
decimation: asciilifeform: somehow the browser has morphed into the 'new os' - and it's even shittier than wintel
asciilifeform: decimation: browser is 'judas goat' that leads folks into places they would never voluntarily go
asciilifeform: in terms of crapolade accumulation in the conceptual stack
asciilifeform: browser is why 'i wanna run my old freebsd 4.7 box' - 'sorry, no, not if you still want to log in & pay your electric bill online.'
decimation: old analog cell phones allocated 25 khz of dedicated bandwidth to each call (as I recall)
decimation: 'modern' phones allocate ~8kbit/sec w/lossy compression
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will appreciate how it is entirely impossible to use a mac os 9 (or prior) box for a daily machine today.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, and somehow we aren't supposed to notice the atrocious quality.
asciilifeform: and unlike dr. seuss and his 'whispermaphone' - not even secret.
decimation: but, you see now 'everyone' has a 'phone'
decimation: 'everyone' can 'use' a 'computer' and 'the internet'
asciilifeform: this is the basic phenomenon here.
asciilifeform: 'everyone'ization.
decimation: I had opportunity to use an 'old' agilent spectrum analyzer a few days ago
mircea_popescu: decimation you know who was talking on the cellphone back in those old days ?
decimation: it lacked windows, made me feel good
decimation: mircea_popescu: certianly not 'everyone'
mircea_popescu: i mean what, hollywood used it to establish just how speshul redford is to make sharon stone fucking him for money acceptable to the housewife in attendance
mircea_popescu: i mean moore not stone
mircea_popescu: i always mix my starlets.
decimation: remember the 80's movies & tv where the rich guy in the limo has a 'car phone'?
asciilifeform: pre-cellular (trunked radio)
asciilifeform: even soviets had them.
asciilifeform: half a dozen or so per city, max.
decimation: you can buy an 'agilent e4406a' on ebay for ~$1k, covers 7mhz to 4 ghz, windows free
dub: dad had one in his porshe 924
decimation: my understanding is that early analog cell phones weren't even trunked, they had a dedicated channel while connected
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/progress-and-revolution/ << btw.
assbot: “Progress” and “Revolution” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: incidentally, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3UNjNe5lD8
assbot: The Lorax -- Dr. Seuss (1972 original version) - YouTube
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/progress-and-revolution/
decimation: the french revolution wasn't only caused by the socialists, it was also caused by the pathetic derpiness of the 'nobility' and monarchy
decimation: many of whom were actively trying to undermine the other nobility in the name of 'progress' etc
mircea_popescu: not in the name of progress, no.
mircea_popescu: i don't really like the mr trololo treatment
decimation: in the name of égalité?
mircea_popescu: well this is a very difficult question. but a good part of it is that nietzsche and sartre are not innovators except formally. fundamentally, they were retracing preexisting ideas,
mircea_popescu: and so the superman and the existentialist are both models of the late french aristocracy
mircea_popescu: people with the drive to push the absurd quite very far, and with the means to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages.
xanthyos: http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2014-Oct-08_19_04_08.mp3 << danielpbarron bit starts 77 min in, gonna listen to this because i was too busy pissing on my mom's driveway when the show was live
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> i don't really like the mr trololo treatment << this was re the seuss link
decimation: I hadn't made the connection between french elite absurdity and Nietzsche - an interesting connection
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody (pixar?) recently came out with an even worse one
asciilifeform: that actually made the 1972 picture look good.
decimation: the reddit of 1789, france was the Estates-General and the derpage associated with the third estate
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 351.84, Best ask: 353.71, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 351.84, 24 hour volume: 28774.86534965, 24 hour low: 327.01, 24 hour high: 359.87, 24 hour vwap: 345.196943781
decimation: in contrast to the French revolution, the American revolution seems much more... conservative? The result of the American revolution largely enshrining the existing governing arrangement in place (while sowing the seeds of future destruction with lofty idiotic language that no one at the time took seriously)
decimation: !up stormlight
decimation: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/ << "September 30, around 5am" << wait - was that Argentina time? Because they are UTC-3, which makes it almost 2300 29 Sep local time?
assbot: Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
xanthyos: lol danielpbarron 97 minute mark with the hypothetical situation of you catching elton john buttfucking in your hotel
The20YearIRCloud: That's a bit scary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people with the drive... to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages << they would if they could.
decimation: !up AndrewJackson
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00074806 = 4.3387 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ << this stuff is such greatness.
assbot: Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
mircea_popescu: er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
The20YearIRCloud: Maybe i can steal your bitcoin news website
mircea_popescu: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 311414.90 in 403 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.42
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 19000 BTC
mircea_popescu: heh!
RagnarDanneskjol: thats a nice number = 5414.88 oz xau
mircea_popescu: basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not that many things in bitcoin with a better record
cazalla: this upcoming article, too speculative? some random shit kicker owes $$ while his company begins accepting bitcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Suppose you want to support strings and have a string comparison instruction. You might think that "it's done in the hardware", so it's blindingly fast. It isn't, because the hardware still has to access memory, one word per cycle. A superscalar/VLIW assembly loop would run just as quickly; the only thing you'd save is a few bytes for instruction encoding. On the other hand, your string comparison thingi
mircea_popescu: e has got you into several sorts of trouble" << my question is, why one word per cycle ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla not enough data to make a call
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/james-home-services-to-begin-trialling-bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: cazalla imo it's good.
mircea_popescu: !up pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: hello
fluffypony: that's a lot of a's
mircea_popescu: what brings you and your a's here ?
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: oh I liked your comment about bitcoin not being for poor people
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: on twitter someone quoted of you today
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: I am friends of DPB and Xan
mircea_popescu: a ok
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: but I am from SF bay area
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: not east coast
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: my ex gf is a fake socialist who works for btcjam
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: and talks about bitcoin helping poor people
mircea_popescu: is she hot ?
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: and i decided to become a full blown capitalist
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: since love dosent exist
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: she was a hot samoan
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: samoan white girl
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: https://btcjam.com/contact
assbot: About Us - BTCJam
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: "alexis"
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: lol
pakaka: these millineal socialist commies into bitcoin are dangerous
pakaka: millinenial*
pakaka: however you spell it
pakaka: that site is sort of irrelvent with what I have heard about the WOT though.
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
pakaka: I wonder if andreas antonopoulos is a Fed.
xanthyos: hi pakaka
pakaka: hi
pakaka: i guess andreas antonopoulos didnt have any cash and had alexis buy him a pack of cigs and he said he would send her bitcoin for it
pakaka: which he never did
pakaka: #scam
pakaka: after some bitcoin meetup in sf a few months ago
pakaka: what a chump
xanthyos: how do you collateralize loans for something whose value is so volatile?
xanthyos: are they a bank?
mircea_popescu: lol this scamming the noobie carnie sounds so mark twain like.
xanthyos: i sure do love painting this fence
mircea_popescu: anyway. that's all for me, take it ezzy
pakaka: http://tinychat.com/ssd6/1c30bb/71/pakaloloz/obeisance/10-09-2014
assbot: obeisance/pakaloloz (10-09-2014) - Tinychat
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ivee-device-can-now-quote-bitcoin-prices/
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/debitway-to-help-cryptsy-move-into-canadian-market/
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.0, Best ask: 368.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 368.0, 24 hour volume: 32532.57837044, 24 hour low: 334.61, 24 hour high: 370.0, 24 hour vwap: 349.544729812
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/mirakl-enables-its-customers-to-accept-bitcoin/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00074148 = 4.4489 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: icahn is sending an open letter to apple today or something
thickasthieves: i bet it says they should buy paypal when it spins off
thickasthieves: organofcorti has a nice post today http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2014/10/106-does-price-still-lead-difficulty.html
assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 10.6 Does price still lead difficulty?
RagnarDanneskjol: http://qz.com/278012/nope-chinas-economy-hasnt-yet-surpassed-americas/
assbot: Nope, China’s economy hasn’t yet surpassed America’s – Quartz
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.19, vol: 32154.98743247 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 16417.66327 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 365.4, vol: 37100.03532424 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 369.98, vol: 13.35213212 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 361.514412, vol: 68989.92250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.99999, vol: 17.16269164 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 367.4016, vol: 182.64802365 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866032 < no, hasnt paid 190 yet ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 06:51:52; mircea_popescu: basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date
kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed.
kakobrekla: current number seems to be ~135
kakobrekla: and ~50 in the pipe
RagnarDanneskjol: http://bitcoinobserver.com/presentations/2014-10-01-Bitcoin-not-a-currency-like-informational-commodity--Jan-Bergstra.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/765.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: [The Bitcoin Backbone Protocol: Analysis and Applications]
BingoBoingo: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 225 Last Price: 255 30d-Vol: 174k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 199
BingoBoingo: http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ#Do_you_support_systemd.3F
assbot: Funtoo Linux FAQ - Funtoo
thickasthieves: btc going nuts
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.01, Best ask: 378.88, Bid-ask spread: 2.87000, Last trade: 379.17, 24 hour volume: 31550.38990955, 24 hour low: 336.25, 24 hour high: 379.99, 24 hour vwap: 354.61002523
kakobrekla: boooo
kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this
RagnarDanneskjol: jayzus
kakobrekla: i guess we will eat meat today!
thickasthieves: have some cake too
thickasthieves: alas i will not eat meat today
kakobrekla: why
thickasthieves: vegan
thickasthieves: :)
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Doormouse and Boar?
kakobrekla: ah right tat , forgot
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo lmao
kakobrekla: any of the two is better than chestnuts
kakobrekla: fukin hate those.
BingoBoingo: Almonds though are the worst, taste like cyanide.
cazalla: vanilla almonds are the best
cazalla: and with that, qntra australia signs off for the night
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=810921.0
fluffypony: "Media must follow certain ethical standards when reporting the news and at CCN, our team follows the standards to the letter."
fluffypony: o
fluffypony: k
fluffypony: oh that quote is from here: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/
thickasthieves: lol at the included pic and caption
thickasthieves: Decentraliiiiiiiized Future ture ture!
mats_cd03: i just put some gluten in a marinade of sriracha, chopped garlic, and soy sauce
fluffypony: this is what most altcoins are like IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LKYLnrTMq0
assbot: Funny high school RAP BATTLE - YouTube
mats_cd03: it shatters the mind how protein dense gluten is
mats_cd03: 5oz of seitan could be as much as 120g protein
fluffypony: thickasthieves: when did you go vegan?
thickasthieves: nearly 3yrs i think
thickasthieves: was veg before that
mats_cd03: why do you do it
mats_cd03: waifu?
thickasthieves: well, if you really wanna know, it's somewhat spiritual i guess, i dont like the idea of caging and torturing animals
thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit
fluffypony: my wife's just gone vegan (she's been vegetarian since she was 14)
fluffypony: also because of the way animals are treated
fluffypony: even the ones that aren't used for meat
thickasthieves: yes the wife is a factor, but it was my idea to go vegan
thickasthieves: i never ate much meat before i was vegetarian
fluffypony: oh I was just comparing your reason to hers, I'm not vegetarian
thickasthieves: yeah we dont wear leather, etc
thickasthieves: i also make clear that i dont have a problem with people eating meat in and of itself
fluffypony: do you tell everyone about how amazing it is being vegan and about how there's such a variety you can eat and then spend 45 minutes telling them about your vegan xxxxxx recipe?
mats_cd03: if it was legal and you told it was tasty, i would eat people
thickasthieves: no i only talk about it when asked and always say that discalimer
fluffypony: I find most vegans have a tendency to cross over that line from "oh interesting" to "ok shut up now"
fluffypony: present company excluded
thickasthieves: well the oh shut up now is basically ALL of what we say
thickasthieves: thats why i wait to be asked
thickasthieves: meat eaters dont give a shit
thickasthieves: the paradigm is too separate
fluffypony: yeah
thickasthieves: that said, ur all fukn murderous selfish neanderthals!
thickasthieves: jk!!!
fluffypony: lol
mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7XyVWgoxg
assbot: Mobile network attack evolution [30c3] - YouTube
mats_cd03: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/cyberattack-on-jpmorgan-raises-alarms-at-white-house-and-on-wall-street lol
thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly
mats_cd03: dinosaurs, all of them
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 370.57, Best ask: 371.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 371.18, 24 hour volume: 33800.61916753, 24 hour low: 337.31, 24 hour high: 379.99, 24 hour vwap: 356.209134548
kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit meassage
BingoBoingo: * assbot has quit (Changing host)
kakobrekla: hrm..
kakobrekla: ty.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 368.85, vol: 34574.72124614 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 362.011, vol: 16619.16569 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 365.8, vol: 42453.90134761 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 372.43, vol: 12.99009128 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.362138, vol: 75850.93770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 14.93466583 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.42457, vol: 226.36730483 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !up hagbardgroup
hagbardgroup: Thanks. I was told to lurk before speaking much, but 'hi all!'
ben_vulpes: people are learning
ben_vulpes: quelle suprise
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/8000-hacker-disclaimers.htm << mega-lol
mats_cd03: huk
nubbins`: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=124
nubbins`: HIF Q3 report
nubbins`: !up hagbardgroup
nubbins`: maybe the shoddiest "report" i've seen outta these clowns
nubbins`: they so obviously just took Q2 report and changed the details: page 3 accidentally says "2nd quarter" instead of 3rd
nubbins`: P&L monthly detail shows July, August, and... June
mats_cd03: -40BTC loss ouchies
nubbins`: not bad financials overall though, they only lost 40btc
mats_cd03: well, 40BTC loss.
nubbins`: "lost" in this context, of course, means "paid themselves"
nubbins`: 'cause sorry bru operating expenses don't ya know
nubbins`: ;;seen topace
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <topace> heh
nubbins`: ;;later tell topace why are HIF reports such embarassing pieces of shit?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: o hey he is still around
kakobrekla: !up topace
thickasthieves: yeesh cant leave trading desk for 45m!
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.05, Best ask: 384.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 384.93, 24 hour volume: 36349.21073683, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 360.59043127
nubbins`: dude, you have a desk?!
nubbins`: !up Quanttek
thickasthieves: well i have two big monitors with charts on them at least
nubbins`: next best thing
nubbins`: i'd like a desk
nubbins`: no room in the studio for one
thickasthieves: so many people have been shorting on the way up, shorts at alltime high on bitfinex
thickasthieves: theyre getting raped
thickasthieves: this is in 2.5 hrs http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7010-14
assbot: CFTCs Global Markets Advisory Committee to Meet October 9, 2014
Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, pretty lulzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 2000 @ 0.00138002 = 2.76 BTC [-] {13}
nubbins`: canadian senate committee yesterday, cftc today
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/u-s-commodity-futures-trading-commission-meeting-on-bitcoin-derivatives-today/
BingoBoingo: Bam, news'd it up.
Apocalyptic: "to what extent the CFTC may perceive to have juridiction on the subject." // the "perceive" word is of prime importance I suspect
nubbins`: antononoypopoponpoynlyous testimony for canadian senate yesterday was pretty good
thickasthieves: i havent watched that yet, but if you say it'
thickasthieves: s good i will
mircea_popescu: nubbins` video ?
mircea_popescu: o hey there princess.
nubbins`: sec
thickasthieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&feature=youtu.be#t=34m18s
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Well, maybe someone actually bothers to call their toll free number
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&feature=youtu.be
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
nubbins`: ooooo too slow
mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
princessnell: ty, howdy!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's more of a radio thing than a tv thing, throw it on in the bg ;p
mircea_popescu: how about you write a piece of bitcoin news and submit it to cazalla princessnell ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` noty
mircea_popescu: the web is for text.
princessnell: for qntra?
mircea_popescu: these video heretic will all go to hell.
mircea_popescu: princessnell yeah
nubbins`: so subscribe to C-SPAN
nubbins`: they carry that in argentina, right?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
nubbins`: wait fuck that's the usa one
nubbins`: what channel do i watch my government on?
princessnell: sure i'll do that now
mircea_popescu: love ya.
nubbins`: CPAC
mircea_popescu: that sounds like the us communist party
nubbins`: princessnell why not transcribe that video, it's only 2 hours long ;p
mircea_popescu: why don't YOU transcribe it ?
nubbins`: hmm, because i'm not in the mood to do favors?
mircea_popescu: oic
nubbins`: mostly because transcribing 2h of video would be an incredibly arduous task
mircea_popescu: which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work.
nubbins`: it's work put on someone else tho
bounce: fobbing off is the thing to do
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work. << Why Vlogger's can't be relevant
BingoBoingo: It's unethical to allow it
princessnell: can't find the live cast
princessnell: oh its not for a few hours
princessnell: nm
mircea_popescu: princessnell linked above neh ?
thickasthieves: "that literally blew my mind" anotnononoopolpus
princessnell: oh the andreas vid
nubbins`: LITERALLY
nubbins`: i don't think the phrase "blew my mind" has a literal meaning
nubbins`: what does the verb "blow" mean in this context?
nubbins`: like, you blew a gasket? your mind stopped working and a part had to be replaced?
mats_cd03: maybe hes being funny
thickasthieves: "i think the most common use for bitcoin is charitable giving, donations, and tipping" antonop
thickasthieves: does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WK8MAS.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
thickasthieves: "a 10-year-old can create a (crypto)currency and that currency can be as secure as the currency created by a monarch" anotnop
thickasthieves: "...and without cost"
thickasthieves: this guy....
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2irnjh/us_commodity_futures_trading_commission_meeting/
assbot: U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission Meeting on Bitcoin Derivatives Today : Bitcoin
nubbins`: thickasthieves, but is it not true 8)
thickasthieves: if it has no cost, it has no value, no security
nubbins`: i believe he meant the cost of creating it
nubbins`: sorta like how you paid $7.25 to get ATC made or w/e
Apocalyptic: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313147.49 in 383 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.33
thickasthieves: well in the context he is preaching glories of blockchain tech
thickasthieves: so it is misleading
thickasthieves: to say child coins are secure and no cost
nubbins`: ehh, you're reading too much into it
nubbins`: put another way: whether satoshi is a 10yo kid or Queen Beatrice, bitcoin is what it is
thickasthieves: maybe
thickasthieves: i think he conveniently glosses over the security aspects of the conversation
nubbins`: it's the features, not the creator, that the relevance is applied to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00074219 = 3.9707 BTC [+]
nubbins`: oh sure, but that's too low-level for a senate hearing
thickasthieves: he paints current infosec as hopeless
nubbins`: half those people in the room don't know what the fuck a computer is
nubbins`: just wait til the lady from NB starts asking questions.
thickasthieves: but its also hopeless to think common men can secure their coins themselves
nubbins`: agreed, 100%, and he admits as much
thickasthieves: word
nubbins`: it's also hopeless to think that your bank can secure your money
nubbins`: difference is, banks try to make you believe the opposite
thickasthieves: yeah
mircea_popescu: princessnell they were discussing some testimony or w/e
nubbins`: whereas btc fanatics will freak out at you and tell you that your security, no matter how tight, is brutally sub-par
thickasthieves: and then they go home and use their one mobile device to log in via 2fa on same
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ? <<< yes. people charitably gave to neobee so that antonoscampulous could bum ciggs off people and derp before the candian senate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.00097912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 174 satoshi per share
nubbins`: good thing none of us were tangled up in NEOBEE
thickasthieves: pphew
nubbins`: imagine the guilt at enabling
mircea_popescu: well apparently the twerp has no such issue
mircea_popescu: and from what i recall reading about canadian politicians, it's n o wonder they invited him
nubbins`: ;;google mike duffy
gribble: Mike Duffy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Duffy>; Mike Duffys: Irish Restaurant and Sports Bar - St Louis MO: <http://www.mikeduffys.com/>; Town and Country Irish Food Menu - Best Burger N St ... - Mike Duffys: <http://www.mikeduffys.com/town-country-irish-food-menu/>
mircea_popescu: vermin seeking vermin and all that.
nubbins`: ;;google pamela wallin
gribble: Pamela Wallin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Wallin>; Pamela Wallin - Journalist, Diplomat, Entrepreneur & Author: <http://pamelawallin.com/>; Pamela Wallin says she regrets repaying Senate expenses | Toronto ...: <http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/24/pamela_wallin_says_she_regrets_repaying_senate_expenses.html>
nubbins`: ;;google canadian senate scandal
gribble: Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal>; Canada Senate Scandal - Huffington Post: <http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/canada-senate-scandal/>; Senate Expense Scandal: Pictures, Videos, Breaking News: <http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/senate-expense-scandal/>
nubbins`: ;;google canadian senate marijuana 2002
gribble: Reports - Illegal Drugs (Special): <http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenCommitteeBusiness/CommitteeReports.aspx?parl=37&ses=1&comm_id=85>; Summary Report-final: <http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/sen/committee/371/ille/rep/summary-e.pdf>; The Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs: <http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/press/04sep02-e.htm>
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: so on, so forth
mircea_popescu: so he's exactly in his proper element then.
mircea_popescu: maybe they start a new innovative coinplatfromscamderpage thing
nubbins`: wagging his chin at a bunch of ineffectual appointed lords?
mircea_popescu: now that neobee blew up, ethereum is gone into the hole etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12190364 BTC to 15`466 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
nubbins`: how long would one boil a chicken breast for, i wonder
mircea_popescu: ten minutes to as long you got.
nubbins`: ah, pulled it out at just the right moment
nubbins`: the idea is to have the middle slightly pink, so you can butterfly it and pan-fry
mircea_popescu: then ten's maybe too much
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
nubbins`: around seven was right. ten for a full-cook would be right on the money
nubbins`: what's antonpopnopnopnopn got to do with neobee again
nubbins`: i have a hard time recalling
mircea_popescu: bout the same he has to do with ethereum, or bitcoin generally.
mircea_popescu: he kept representing to the sort of idiots that follow him on reddit that it's a great thing.
mircea_popescu: and that he's done the research for them, and all is well, a lie easy for the derps in question to swallow seeing just how lazy and stupid they are.
mircea_popescu: not that the thing is peculiar to him in any sense, it's the stock in trade of any random derp aspiring to a position of political preminence without any particular skill or ability. like so : http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE’s assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been “under-banked.” I must note, however, there
mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
nubbins`: tangibility
mircea_popescu: ikr? he loves the X word he's heard.
mircea_popescu: anyway, authors being a coupla 19 yo cocklets fresh out of a stint as cook chefs, pretending to be finance this or that.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for today and as long as it lasts, antonoshithead is bitcoin's chief nigger. he's trying to parlay the nude use of words into as much free fried chicken as possible.
mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: Thank you
mircea_popescu: how goes devthedev ?
devthedev: Pretty good, how are you?
mircea_popescu: i am excited!
devthedev: I am too, I just saw qntra!
mircea_popescu: a yeah. you wanna submit a piece ?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: If you want to write for it submit a writing sample to cazalla
devthedev: Will do
mircea_popescu: and we say ~we~re excited. imagine what it must be like @ cazalla hq.
BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping
devthedev: Ha
thickasthieves: antonop transcribed himself http://antonopoulos.com/2014/10/09/canadian-senate-hearings-my-opening-remarks/
assbot: Canadian Senate Hearings: My Opening Remarks | Andreas M. Antonopoulos
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: a hey.
nubbins`: the finished breast: http://imgur.com/LcKYhvp
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
thickasthieves: http://player.vimeo.com/video/108268160
assbot: High Speed Video Neal Stephenson Sabering a Champagne Bottle from ChefSteps on Vimeo
The20YearIRCloud: Looks good nubbins`
thickasthieves: frm the random dept
The20YearIRCloud: i need to start on lunch soon
nubbins`: don't let me stop ya
nubbins`: any wild posters yet?
nubbins`: forum thread's got a few of em framed
nubbins`: bbl
thestringpuller: dr. foreskin!!!!!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i went in there expecting chick not chicken. #scam
nubbins`: 8D
thestringpuller: don't chick's become chicken?
mircea_popescu: only if left unsupervised for too long
thestringpuller: you would think an all girls university would be a great place to recruit chicks...
thestringpuller: something about dem places ain't natural
mircea_popescu: they still have those ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they became illegal in the us
mircea_popescu: but yes, they drive each other sex crazy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nope, they still exist.
mircea_popescu: so you can't have gentlemen's clubs but you can have all cunt university ?!
thestringpuller: i think there are all male universities still around...but I don't know who would want to attend
thestringpuller: and don't gentleman's club employ females?
mircea_popescu: not traditionally.
thestringpuller: i usually think of gentelman's club == high class strip club
mircea_popescu: but you bring a good point huh. women do want to be in a flock of women. men... not so much
thickasthieves: my holyoke is all female
mircea_popescu: no, it's not what it is lol.
thickasthieves: mt*
thickasthieves: lots of girl on girl encounters
thickasthieves: i just realized the cftc vid is 48h delayed :/
thickasthieves: not sure if i really can handle phoning in to listen
RagnarDanneskjol: I went to an all guys college for one year - there was so much ass around you wouldnt believe it. Hampden-Sydney college is surrounded by a number of all girls schools like sarah-lawrence and other schools attended by spoiled rich pure-bred top-shelf poon
thickasthieves: wait then below it says live webcast
thickasthieves: ok
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol a that's not so bad then
RagnarDanneskjol: it worked out well - until I got expelled for fraternity shennanigans
mircea_popescu: better than marrying out
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol so im confused. sarah-lawernce is afaik upstate ny. but apparently this Hampden-Sydney thing is in virginia ?
thestringpuller: circle is scam? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2irice/never_using_circle_again/
assbot: Never using Circle again : Bitcoin
RagnarDanneskjol: no - I got confused - there is sweet briar, mary-baldwin, and a few others. I spent some time @ sarah-lawrence later on. has been quite a few years
mircea_popescu: lol what is this, "if you remember the 60s you weren't there" ?
RagnarDanneskjol: this is about right: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hampden-Sydney
assbot: Urban Dictionary: Hampden-Sydney
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.46, Best ask: 383.67, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 383.66, 24 hour volume: 37509.54242863, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.228446462
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35021382515.8 based on data since last change | 33593487461.0 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: !
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324568 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 7 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35021382515.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.03849
nubbins`: ;o
TheNewDeal: if it takes an hour to find each of these next blocks...
mike_c: ;;tslb
mircea_popescu: some blocks are harder than others!
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 16 seconds
mircea_popescu: "If reason and charity cannot promote the cause of truth and piety, I cannot see how it should ever flourish under the withering fires of wrath and strife". it's incredible just how much damage the 18th and 19th century heretic clubs did to the us.
mircea_popescu: presbyterian, srsly ?! gtfo.
TheNewDeal: love how the s&p500 is just propped up on stilts.
mircea_popescu: both truth and piety are exactly the creation, both necessary and unavoidalbe, of wrath and strife. just like equilibrium in mammals is the result of muscular activity, not of silent contemplation.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal permanently elevated plateau yo.
ben_vulpes: "sarah lawrence: where the girls become women and the boys do too"
thestringpuller: Hah
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes made a funny!
thestringpuller: !up brianhoffman
kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit msg
BingoBoingo: * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
kakobrekla: ty
kakobrekla: i guess i need to temporarily switch this back on
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: beat me to it
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.54, Best ask: 375.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 375.0, 24 hour volume: 39347.55631242, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.929726172
TheNewDeal: is cafe con miel popular in buenos aires?
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/I/xE/3ofSgtJ8/oh-my-eyes.png
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 43 seconds
kakobrekla: can i get a 'B' ?!
BingoBoingo: B
TheNewDeal: like a block
kakobrekla: can i get a 'L' ?!
BingoBoingo: L
kakobrekla: cool, now I only need to find OCK
kakobrekla: !up ceelo
kakobrekla: sing it!
thickasthieves: maybe miners are colluding to stop people from selling
ceelo: auth ceelo
ceelo: how do u auth with gribble
kakobrekla: ;;nigga please
gribble: Error: "nigga" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ah dunno
thestringpuller: "that's our word. you have no business using it!"
thestringpuller: ;;google family guy n-word jim
gribble: N-Word Jim - Family Guy Wiki: <http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/N-Word_Jim>; Huck Griffin - Family Guy Wiki: <http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Huck_Griffin>; "Family Guy" I Am Peter, Hear Me Roar (TV Episode 2000) - Quotes ...: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0576941/quotes>
ceelo: ;;auth ceelo
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
kakobrekla: ceelo http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
TheNewDeal: ceelo green?
ceelo: thx
thestringpuller: that would be dope if Ceelo came into the channel.
thestringpuller: sing us a song
kakobrekla: ceelo blue until he gets in the wot
TheNewDeal: hahahaha
kakobrekla: !up ceelo
thickasthieves: cftc wont be discussing bitcoin til 345
thickasthieves: 100min
TheNewDeal: is obama going to make an appearance and finally get paid for http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#b4?
assbot: BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015 :: 0.31 B (44%) on Yes, 0.4 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`231 (100`000 to 1)
ceelo: how do you get 'in the wot'
TheNewDeal: read that article
ceelo: found it
ceelo: cool
TheNewDeal: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 22 minutes and 14 seconds
thestringpuller: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45986): 0 hour(s), 48 minutes
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself?
assbot: ceelo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ceelo: lol
kakobrekla: yes well everyone started with 0
ceelo: yeye
thestringpuller: that was quick ceelo
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: yea HIF is the Havelock itself
kakobrekla: http://imgur.com/blog/2014/10/09/introducing-gifv/?forcedesktop=1
assbot: Introducing GIFV – Imgur Blog
thickasthieves: BingoBoingo> thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself? // can you clarify?
BingoBoingo: Does havelock trade on havelock as hif?
thickasthieves: yes
thickasthieves: it
thickasthieves: it's the same owner as CBTC
thickasthieves: sry
thickasthieves: not that
thickasthieves: same owner as CFIG
thickasthieves: who i suspect is same owner as 1BTCXE
thickasthieves: suspect/assume
kakobrekla: !up ceelo
kakobrekla: !up dnaleor
kakobrekla: !up ivok
ivok: hello everyone :) to use my voice
ivok goes back to lurking
kakobrekla: hehe
mircea_popescu: !up ceelo
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed. << good point ok
kakobrekla: 'good point ok' is my middle name.
TheNewDeal: .98% , just wow
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324578 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1.13932137867e+11 | Estimated Percent Change: 225.49731
mike_c: cracked 250 exahash. this is getting out of hand.
TheNewDeal: phash?
mike_c: er, not exa
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 241177197.882
TheNewDeal: i remember there was ~280 a few weeks ago?
TheNewDeal: may be mistaken
mike_c: on short term estimates, yeah. difficulty just cracked 250 phash tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.59699953 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot
mircea_popescu: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
mircea_popescu: oh. sheit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 56.42232407 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
mpoe: ;;eregister mpoe EE2BDEF602DD2D91
gribble: Request successful for user mpoe, hostmask mpoe!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EE2BDEF602DD2D91
TheNewDeal: !up ceelo
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ulbricht-attorneys-file-response-to-government/
TheNewDeal: next change is going to be giant
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324579 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 70004998058.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 100.0001
mpoe: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e84e5e818cd8d59b7a141cdf633cc6656f3ef0943fca7dc9139d4e2a
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user mpoe with key EE2BDEF602DD2D91
mircea_popescu: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mpoe', with GPG key id EE2BDEF602DD2D91, key fingerprint 2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D91, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mpoe 1 Current MPEx account for #bitcoin-assets deed purposes
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mpoe has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
mircea_popescu: ah lag mkay.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this <<< ikr? me too!
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit << actually i think most serious animalagans eat freeranged.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly <<< AAAANNDD they don't even quote trilema. not like it's been a secret over here, for the past half year or so.
mircea_popescu: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
mircea_popescu: hm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15915 @ 0.00074175 = 11.805 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/10/09/nobel_prize_winner_patrick_modiano_s_wikipedia_page_changed_to_add_note.html
assbot: Nobel prize winner Patrick Modiano’s Wikipedia page changed to add note to “the reporter now copying from Wikipedia” (PHOTO).
thickasthieves: this Ulbricht response update is the first juicy thing I saw on qntra first, grats!
TomServo: ^
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Yw
thickasthieves reads left side of monitor.
BingoBoingo: lol
devthedev: Lol
devthedev: Nicely written Bingo
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Bam, news'd it up. <<< gotta love this guy
mike_c: hehe, i scooped the lawyers yesterday: "It apparently confuses php with MySQL"
thickasthieves: bingo your text is jacked
thickasthieves: incomplete sentences and such
thickasthieves: jumping or something
mircea_popescu: okies, logs done, discussions had, havoc caused, work reviewed (btw the eulora art is looking wunderbar) and so i guess ima bbl.
mike_c: thickasthieves: the pdf is no better
thickasthieves: ah shit
thickasthieves: well some of it is pretty good
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: The textblock is as the pdf presented it. It is a legal format problem.
thickasthieves: this is def getting interesting
thickasthieves: i'd think it would be a few more pages though
thickasthieves: i mean if youre already on the horse, ride it high
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: It's a defense filing. The point is to be clear. A prosecution filing though has the other perogative, to bury with text that might have meaning.
thickasthieves: word
TheNewDeal: somehow missed that this little cftc topic was bitcoin... gonna go brew up some popcorn, catch a few good laughs
TheNewDeal: does anyone have a link to the cftc live cast
TheNewDeal: this is pissing me off
TomServo: heh, I've been looking also
TheNewDeal: somehow they don't know how to link to a video
thickasthieves: http://www.onlinevideoservice.com/clients/cftc/video.htm?eventid=cftclive ☟︎
assbot: CFTC Webcast
TheNewDeal: I see people moving, but no sound?
kakobrekla: id guess they took a break for smoke and pancakes
TomServo: (Please continue to stand by. This meeting will begin momentarily).
kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading. ☟︎
kakobrekla: lolk
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GVMYJR.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
jurov is ashamed to not understand teh "self certified Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract"
jurov: sauce?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866600 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 19:43:57; thickasthieves: http://www.onlinevideoservice.com/clients/cftc/video.htm?eventid=cftclive
jurov: even if i understood, i'm on mobile net atm
thickasthieves: you mean what is a swap?
jurov: i barely understand that..but all the adjectives
kakobrekla: in short: scam
cazalla: mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too <<< i can't sit and watch that guy for 2 hours
thickasthieves: it means, according to provided guidelines, the exchange created a swap instrument for people to trade, hedge, and collateralize with, settled in dollars only, it's like a way to borrow bitcoin
kakobrekla: without the actual bitcoin.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust thickasthieves
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 12 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
thickasthieves: is that a fact tho kako?
thickasthieves: i havent read it
kakobrekla: said so like 10 times
thickasthieves: hrm
kakobrekla: It is a bilateral, non-cleared trade that has credit support Annex, collateral delivery by either side to support the trade.
kakobrekla: It is nondeliverable. No Bitcoins exchange. This is a US cash settled forward.
thickasthieves: right, but they still need bitcoins to have value on the other end
thickasthieves: or am i missing something?
thickasthieves: like in bitfinex it's a swap market, users provide swap offers themselves
kakobrekla: afaik no
thickasthieves: how does tera sell these swaps?
thickasthieves: they arent worth anything
thickasthieves: backed by dollars i guess
thickasthieves: sounds dangerous
thickasthieves: makes no sense
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping <<< yes it is atm, for every vegan in #b-a, a rabbit is slain with vengeance
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
thickasthieves: yeesh
thickasthieves: such oppress
cazalla: thickasthieves, they have a good life up until that point :P
thickasthieves: i meant me!
devthedev: Hey cazalla
cazalla: what's up devthedev
devthedev: Not much, how about you?
cazalla: not much, 7am here so morning cuppa tea is in order
devthedev: qntra's looking great so far!
cazalla: yes, everyone loves how the design looks
devthedev: Minimalism is the key
kakobrekla: just like everyone loves that bitcoin poster.
mats_cd03: bunny ranch elicited a different imagery
kakobrekla: > it can be physically delivered just for the same reason the commission recognizes physical delivery in a sense of other intangible commodities such as pollution rights
thestringpuller: i didn't get to see the bitcoin poster yet
kakobrekla: lol
thestringpuller: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ;o
kakobrekla: pollution rights.
TomServo: kakobrekla: yeah, wtf is that?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey instead of refund can I just get another poster :( the USPS can't find it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: well co2 indulgences
kakobrekla: (just another scam fyi)
TomServo: Was that ms boring?
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/2BJ6BGJ.txt
kakobrekla: thickasthieves where are the btcs?
kakobrekla: >>: And one last point on that.
kakobrekla: Tom Leahy mentioned earlier that TeraExchange has an information agreement with every exchange to establish index.
kakobrekla: Every one of those exchanges in that agreement has agreed to supply as the details and they all do AML, KYC on all of the people trading on each of the exchanges.
kakobrekla: The exchanges that do not provide us this cannot be on this. We are not ascribing to anonymous trades that are happening out in the market place.
kakobrekla: --
kakobrekla: >>: Who owns that protocol?
kakobrekla: >>: It is open source.
kakobrekla: hahaha
TomServo: I wish we could've seen the face she made when Vito exclaimed "I KNOW!".
TomServo: Er Brito
kakobrekla: >>>: To questions. The first is how do you know there is no fraud or backdoors built in to the initial code? And then the second is if all the goodie is coming from the block chain, why not just put dollars on the block chain?
kakobrekla: !!
kakobrekla: wtf is this bitcoin 101 for kindergarten
mod6: hahah
TomServo: okay, this is pretty good ahahaha
thickasthieves: kako "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset."
kakobrekla: context?
thickasthieves: you quoted it
kakobrekla: yeah read the whole sentence
kakobrekla: its comparing other swaps
kakobrekla: "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset (that isnt really there)."
kakobrekla: better?
thickasthieves: lol
thickasthieves: well their website solicits 'liquidity providers' for the btc ndf
kakobrekla: tera? they contacted me in may.
thickasthieves: but they really should just say
thickasthieves: if the traders are their own counterparties,i guess it works as bets pretty much
thickasthieves: with tera as escrow
kakobrekla: + market makers
kakobrekla: so they can avoid calling themselfs a bucket shop
TheNewDeal: jurov there's no reason one should ever want to understand a non-deliverable bitcoin future
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/520321317166256128
assbot: CFTC met on /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash today, here's the full transcript http://t.co/Y2U8Yqudk6 /hashtag/CFTC?src=hash
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/full-transcript-of-us-commodity-and-futures-trading-commision-bitcoin-session/
TheNewDeal: nice nice nice
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2isnxi/full_transcript_of_us_commodity_and_futures/
assbot: Full Transcript of US Commodity and Futures Trading Commision Bitcoin Session : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: This livestream actually had a decent if lagging caption stream. Figure this is a race.
TheNewDeal: could you include pictures of the cftc representatives, preferably with a penned-in moustache?
BingoBoingo: Live streaming widget was tiny, usually had powerpoint slides instead of people. Feared fullscreening the widget lest the text be lost.
kanzure: here's my version of a transcript http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/cftc-bitcoin/
assbot: cftc-bitcoin
kanzure: went very poorly. those panelists were clueless.
thickasthieves: yeah antonop probly coulda doon better
kanzure: multiple panelists format is probably too broken anyway
kanzure: because it's hard enough to get a single person that understands bitcoin
kanzure: much less five separate people
kanzure: and then you have message confusion....
BingoBoingo: Maybe message confusion is what they want?
TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit
kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv. ☟︎
kanzure: unfortunately it was the panelists that were learning about bitcoin
TheNewDeal: those were their smartest questions possible
kanzure: "how is the blockchain secured?" "well it's open source"
kanzure: that is not an appropriate answer
kanzure: under any circumstance
TheNewDeal: consider the universally secure linux
kakobrekla: "lets go to class to learn about this thing we know nothing about."
kakobrekla: "and lets tape it"
kakobrekla: "yeah good idea!"
kanzure: that's not how public access in government works
kakobrekla: "even better, live broadcast it, you can do it nowdays!"
kakobrekla: it looks like what i described.
kakobrekla: what it should suppose to be - nfi.
thickasthieves agrees with kako
kanzure: so you're against all federal livestreaming, or just some of it?
thickasthieves: i think the whole thing was derpy is all
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866716 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 21:35:31; kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
thickasthieves: and for real, you cant learn about bitcoin before your meeting?
kanzure: this wasn't a conference.
kakobrekla: oh my bad, if the didnt call it a conference all bets are off
kakobrekla: O_o
kanzure: they had pre-reading where they studied the material given to them that described bitcoin
kanzure: written by the panelists
kanzure: panely-people.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitfury-outlines-how-it-plans-to-spend-20-million/
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2014#820504 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2014 17:15:16; asciilifeform: 'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"'
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.54237601 BTC. Current weight: 56,714.
kanzure: i said they had read it, not that they ignored it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47825 @ 0.00074151 = 35.4627 BTC [-] {2}
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: FYI, just had a 5 minute outage. My primary internet's been down for a day now, and my backup just glitched.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Thanks for the heads up
X-Rob: I'll try to keep an eye on it, but, all my alerting is broken because my main conneciton is down
X-Rob: so.. I've discovered a flaw there 8)
cazalla: ;;later tell sgarnick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up deedBot
mircea_popescu: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
mircea_popescu: what the ef.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot mpoe
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mpoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mpoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mpoe | Rated since: Thu Oct 9 14:45:18 2014
mircea_popescu: o it was like once a day was it.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 172**0
gribble: 1
cazalla: ;;later tell sgornick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: missed the second * and thought gribble was failing basic maths
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00074126 = 10.0441 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So far qntra's bigger in Kenya than South Africa.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: o, hey, first day results are in huh /
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not on quantcast yet
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: apparently there exists a pntra.com
X-Rob: 373 blocks until difficulty changes
X-Rob: yay!
mircea_popescu: http://airs.com/ian/essays/stock/stock.html
mircea_popescu: an interesting alternative entry point into the theory of teh bezzle
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.0, Best ask: 360.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 360.85, 24 hour volume: 47558.47213155, 24 hour low: 348.3, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.563472311
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866357 << not xanthyos; an associate of ours ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 16:13:02; mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a sample script for the bitcoin cartoons?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron guy said it was his ex gf
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nope. it was inteded as open mic here, if the guy were interested.
danielpbarron: ya, that guy's ex; not xanthyos'
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hence " from xanthyos' ex" you see
BingoBoingo: Since kakobrekla prolly wants to see it again: * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
kakobrekla: hehe thanks BingoBoingo - i now enabled those messages temporarily so i am able to follow
BingoBoingo: You're welcome. I just thought... Maybe you'd wait until the polar bears all became exclusively aquatic before ever watching join/parts
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/mlg-bitcoin-company/
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo its not for long :)
kakobrekla: but yeah, i feel remembered that i dont miss em.
kakobrekla: much less doormany.
BingoBoingo: It's the price of not being poor like earier this week
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313712.44 in 372 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.30
gabriel_laddel: !s rabbits
assbot: 138 results for 'rabbits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rabbits
BingoBoingo: !s manul
assbot: 245 results for 'manul' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=manul
mircea_popescu: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitstash-kickstarter-campaign-begins-october-22nd/
cazalla: speaking of rabbits, how about i turn these http://i.imgur.com/5Tk3rhN.jpg into some gloves for thickasthieves, where da white wommenz at btw
Bitcoin_Eric: lol
thestringpuller: Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN!
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2iq367/blockchaininfo_advertised_a_scam_bitcoin/
assbot: Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN! : Bitcoin
thestringpuller: ugh fucking copy paste thing
xanthyos: jan hooks is dead.
xanthyos: the comedy world shrugs
thestringpuller: Weird
thestringpuller: BitStash and trezor huh
thestringpuller: The second one of those gets hacked....
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedbot
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed http://pastebin.com/gStPn3i2
assbot: S.BBET float - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/gStPn3i2
assbot: S.BBET float - Pastebin.com
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. thought maybe the raw patse link was issue
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer9933
mircea_popescu: cazalla shit they're cute.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.68, Best ask: 364.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 364.68, 24 hour volume: 47802.41474800, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.330477846
mircea_popescu: !up mechtronic2001
thestringpuller: !up Jezzz
Jezzz: thx thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out kakobrekla, like the first time in history that the left pane is full, 100 entries past week
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
kakobrekla: first time after +m maybe
mircea_popescu: mnop
kakobrekla: pretty sure it was full even before
mircea_popescu: hmm i guess looking at the graphs it hadda been
mircea_popescu: a well.