jurov: i am inclined to suspect boost expands __line__ somewhere
mod6: yeah, im havin the same problem.
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mod6: this is a good point. lemme see.
jurov: boost-1.52.0-r7 here
mod6: asciilifeform predicts 'no' << correct.
mod6: anyway, same error.
jurov: gotta go, tmrw waking early and afk most of the day
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mod6: i think he bounced.
mod6: im gonna give it a shot with some older libs
mod6: now will 'clean' and apply patches
mod6: hehe forgot that the host i'm on is new. needed the libs that ben_vulpes listed in his script.
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ideas for what, if anything, to do to checkpoints? << you mean blockchain checkpoints ?
PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is a replacement for penguiker
PeterL: I think it is almost ready, just testing it right now
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people follow their own faiths. Most were indoctrinated since birth. That makes it very easy to believe the dogma. Yet, how in anybody’s right mind could they, as an adult, suddenly be told that the magic man in the sky says you need to start wearing a dress (even though you’re a dude), put your face on the ground five times a day and pray, and oh yeah, kill all the non-believers? Not happening to anybody
mircea_popescu: that’s anywhere near sane. These sick dirt-bags had wires twisted in their heads, and they were frustrated, but they weren’t Muslims."
cazalla: mircea_popescu, qntra being dossed? it's up and down
mircea_popescu: PeterL "Then in 10 months there will be 1`000`000 shares and the share number will be inflating at, if the paper makes 0.1 btc profit that month and the shares trade at 10 P/E, then the price will be 0.000012 per share. " << something missing in there ?
PeterL: ah, I see it now, there should be a number between the at and comma, 1% per month?
mircea_popescu: course i think the most interesting thing in there will be the nonlinear effects due to the numerous feedback loops.
PeterL: other than that, does the analysis make sense?
mircea_popescu: for instance : the more popular/relevant/powerful it becomes, the more likely it is to attract share buyers, authors and income. all three.
PeterL: feedback loops make it hard to get a good number for the future
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think as designed this share price is eminently modelable, to great modelling benefits
mircea_popescu: will obviously be a lot more interesting to work on a history than trying nude predictions
PeterL: designed or not designed?
PeterL: did they design the price or just leave out design and let it fall where it may?
mircea_popescu: the share is designed so as to work an interesting way.
decimation: asciilifeform: is that a picture of stierlitz in the upper right of the anti-soviet-portrayals-of-hollywood image you linked? if so, hilarious
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mike_c: PeterL: did you see my take on it?
mike_c: i think we ended up in the same ballpark
PeterL: as close as one could expect
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be interesting to run turd through valgrind
decimation: that guy who inspected the toyota embedded computer had a whole lecture on code coverage/testing/complexity tools
decimation: yeah, I agree, like you need a computer that tells you what fits in your head
decimation: I like the templeos guy, he has a fixed number of lines of code for his project, and wants to make it smaller
decimation: asciilifeform: I have more 'learned helplessness' w.r.t. programming that drives me nuts: 'don't use goto'
decimation: the other day I was testing a pile of python code that was driving hardware, and I wanted to just skip X lines
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier? << got started, ran out of bandwidth in dive bar
ben_vulpes: moving slowly, endeavoring to grok and verify each and every stemp.
ben_vulpes: but -- friday night, now stealing time away from familial sabbath drinking party to irc
decimation: apparently our ddosing friend is also busy
TheNewDeal: Mp whats it called when you double your bet in a 50/50 game, every time, until you win (or lose a large sum)
PeterL: lets you win a tiny amount or lose it all
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: system v is a classical unix <<< i know. apparently somethign shorted in my brain
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks. << oh shit you know what that's prolly it.
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decimation: did anyone get asciilifeform's no-crud manifest to check?
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cazalla: getting hit with xrumer type comment spam too since around time dos started
mircea_popescu: tcp 0 0 23.235.236.98:
http www.fraudalertservice:38410 SYN_RECV << all sorts of lulz like that.
mod6: so slashing out rpc coudln't have possibly been that easy. but it compiled and ran fine, it seems, just no way to get info without re-adding these options as command line args. that might take some time.
mod6: anyway, not that i'm gonna keep going that direction for now, just wanted to kinda poke around and see a bit.
mod6: they're all rpc args it looks like
mod6: yeah, call it hellen keller
mod6: well, i guess she was blind or whatever, so lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ?
mod6: yeah, it seems that way ascii
mircea_popescu: start it with particular switches depending on what you want it to spit out
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ? << not 100% positive but it seems that some of the debug stuff almost does that when turned on fully.
mod6: but.. we'll figure something out, yeah
mod6: int ret = CommandLineRPC(argc, argv); << lollertron
mod6: i forgot how obnoxious some of this code was.
mod6: i think i just tried to put it out of my mind.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's nightmare fuel with a side dish of fridge logic.
mircea_popescu hires some lobbysts to sit on the standards group and prevent this evil.
mod6: yeah, but personally, i wanna start simple. and then work our way up to major changes.
mod6: if do slash and burn first, we're gonna have unforseen issues
mod6: and noone wants that
decimation: slash and burn makes for more readable code
mod6: eh, yeah, these things are all great ideas. and necessary. but i think the best course of action is to get something up and working as a baseline with the most minimal changes possible so we have something to run when derpistan puts in the hardfork
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, and somewhat from experience : while the serial thing is a solid design, i suspect it's also a bridge too far
mircea_popescu: prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ?
mod6: that's plausibly only 8 weeks out. and we'd better have something to run by then. i don't wanna be chasing crazy changes down when we could have just gotten something simple running first.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? << this is the way it must be done. even though slash and burn feels so damn good.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not happening, at all. but that notwithstanding, you do have a solid point, as a general thing. and 8 weeks is certainly narrower a frame than anything usgavin&co can do.
mod6: understood. i worry about these jokers.
mircea_popescu: they're much less apt than they pretend to be. but that aside : ineptitude of the enemy is no excuse to derp.
mircea_popescu: these are all valuable changes. just, i'm persuaded by your smaller steps approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the discussion is if the json-rpc part is in the obvious crud or in the eventual crud group
mod6: and it's a great example. but it makes me nervous. cutting out stuff like that in something as poorly written as this is just ... frightning.
mod6: who knows what effects can be seen.... and sure, i could spend 3 months with gdb just trying to chase stuff down. this is going to be a methodical process of eradication.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about this for a principle : step 1, take all the stuff that can be taken out without therefore forcing different stuff being put in ; step 2 take out the stuff that needs replacement, sorted by the complexity of the needed replacement, ascending.
mod6: you have some great ideas about changes that need to be made. and I really do think we'll get to doing them. bitcoin will be better for it.
mod6: see, im of the opinion that we don't cut out anything. first we add.
mircea_popescu: i'm the first to say that the only practicable way to run this is as a two machine, serial connected thing, so that's not changing.
mod6: we add patches from stuff up to 6.3
mircea_popescu: oh he has a point. step 0 : merge the stuff that's acxtually useful in.
mod6: then once we have our baseline... something that can be used, and we can feel pretty good about with not years worth of testing, then we start to implement these major changes. then we see the UI go away from core, the rpc commands, etc.
mod6: we've dealt with it for 5 years, what's another 3-6 months?
mircea_popescu has serious trouble thinking people have actually used the stock braindamage for more than a few month before branching it off
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mircea_popescu: which is by now becoming a major problem in waiting, because under the hollow pretense of the power rangers, the codebase is actually fractured to all shit.
mod6: yeah, i think you're right that any place that actually gives a shit about the bitcoind they run, probably made their own changes immediately.
mod6: my philosophy on this project is: first, do no harm.
mod6: get us to a point where we can feel good about just what we're starting with.
mod6: once there, then start to schedule in the amputations.
mod6: and if there is anything that's deemed "required", we'll be putting those things in. getting us to the baseline.
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cazalla: i would not even lend them niggas a pencil
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the qr code is a legitimate optoseparator
mircea_popescu: there do exist qr reader guns with reasonably simple internals commonly available.
mircea_popescu: the advantage of this arrangement is that it can be made easily and inconspicuously.
mircea_popescu: nobody's encouraging it. as long as it's there, people gotta keep tempest going.
mircea_popescu: however it's done, it's still expensive and scales poorly.
PinkPosixPXE: These girls are very enthusiastic about making their own money, and being independently wealthy
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RagnarDanneskjol: yea they're cool chicks - just discovered them recently. pretty decent garbage rock
mircea_popescu: to write run, bitch run review or not to write run, bitch, run review...
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, not a bad song... Not certain how I feel about it.. interesting..
mircea_popescu snubs nose at song. o looky, chicky got electric guitar, not catching her fingers in the chords anymore even!
PinkPosixPXE: "pretend you're playing rock band, and look sexy!"
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Bugpowder: Been a while, not sure how to do it
gribble: User 'mod6', with keyid 721705A8B71EADAF, fingerprint 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 14 17:05:58 2011, last authed on Fri Oct 24 12:42:41 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mod6 . Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!32ea73ba7c@rider.us .
Bugpowder: Devavrat Shah Kang Zhang Laboratory for Information and Decision Systems Department of EECS Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Bugpowder: Profitable (previously) strategy for bitcoin trading
Bugpowder: what I found interseting is that the primary pattern it found (Fig 4) was the exact pattern for my winning short term trades
Bugpowder: Of course, why they would publish this instead of exploit it is an exercise for the reader. Probably they should’ve gone to Stanford.
mod6: cuz college makes you smrter
Bugpowder: Well… I think they would be more profit focused then
mircea_popescu suspects it's more valuable as a retrospective fitting than anything else
mircea_popescu: their publishing signals that they hold the sam ebelief.
Bugpowder: Also, hard to exploit with a large enough stack to make it worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: (then again, generally i think bayesian stuff is masturbation for the uneducated intelligent.)
Bugpowder: Give me a black box, random forest bagging tree algorithm over that shit any day
Bugpowder: Got lab, got space, got equipment. Small grant, applying for more
Bugpowder: I was a bit faded when I ordered it and didn’t read the instructinos
Bugpowder: assumed they would center the plate
mod6: the license plate bracket?
Bugpowder: but you need to explicitly center it with half-space characters
mod6: oh nm. lost me with bitcar
Bugpowder: I can’t reorder the plate, cause the name is already taken
mod6: still, on your porsche is still hurtin' feelings
Bugpowder: Getting the plate was an anti-climax
Bugpowder: now people can recognize you if parked somewhere… which could be a negative thing...
mod6: war of life too, pretty cool new game
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, qntra can prolly take some more science-minded writing. if you come up with anything talk to cazalla
mircea_popescu: mod6 right, and mpif going through what, five profit centers ? sad.
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mod6: decimation: i could be wrong here, but a quick look here seems like this dude is wrapping up bitcoin 0.9.3
decimation: yeah my main interest is that he catalogs the dependencies
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: but why qr codes? << libqrencode-dev was a mistake; holdover from my experiments with 6.3
ben_vulpes: ah but wait qr libs aren't in the script on ch
decimation: I think it's 'secure' because it uses selinux
decimation: the most hilarious dependency (even on ascii's 0.5.3): UPNP
mod6: decimation: some guys like to plug and play
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mod6: old news, but still, lulz
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ben_vulpes: haha oh man ripped up one side and down t' other
PinkPosixPXE: Yep, "Oh I fucked up... don't show your public key folks!!! Just your private key!"
ben_vulpes: <Bugpowder> left justified plate. FML << typical bitcoiner
ben_vulpes: b) "lol plate ams left justified cuz i generate keys wasted"
ben_vulpes: bitcoin anything on anything one owns - big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder : <mircea_popescu> ident with gribble, pm assbot !up
mod6: i tried. assbot hates me now.
Bugpowder: err… buttcar.. No way that would have passed the censors tho
ben_vulpes: Bugpowder: on the topic of bezzlenomics, i'm amused that you have a small grant, lab, equipment and...porsche.
cazalla: ermahgerd how am i meant to publish this article to qntra
ben_vulpes: no comment necessary, simply sharing lulz.
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Bugpowder: trilema down… I read about qntra laterz… night…
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 451525.68 in 1128 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -3.84
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 302.37 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#47256): 0 hour(s), 4 minutes
RagnarDanneskjol: should I check with anyone else? bingo.. also, whats the story
mod6: needs some updates, i also said i'd get rid of the coinminer stats too.
mod6: yeah, it'll be a quick update. i'll put it in tomorrow.
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 366.50 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 3.49 TH/s
mod6: tomorrow, 6 minutes, w/e
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cazalla: bitpay got back to me as well.. "I will be following up with our Legal department on Monday in regards to disclosing bitcoin addresses to law enforcement."
Mikayla: sorry I see my email buggered out
Mikayla: it's sitting in my draft box
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HeySteve: cazalla, you expect bitpay just rolls over?
thestringpuller: well wouldn't a company saying "We are gagged in disclosing what metrics law enforcement collects from us."
cazalla: i dunno, it's not even a good story, just slow news day so i go fishing and see what i catch
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decimation: asciilifeform: it is somewhat mysterious why redhat doesn't want to adopt ecc crypto
decimation: at any rate, he has turds needed to compile arbitrary bitcoin
decimation: no, it appears that even 0.5.3 compiles fine with reasonable version of openssl and bdb
decimation: Somehow I still can't get your patch to match your manifest
decimation: even something as simple as snipping out a few lines seems complicated
decimation: well let's see. 6c5edfb92f95e7b8237170b1f9c197306060861cb32173bdf28d42ec0448ff57 wallet.cpp
decimation: that's what I get for post-patch wallet.cpp
decimation: I was confused, I thought you had a pre-patch and post patch manifest
decimation: instead you had a pre-patch and pre-patch cut :)
decimation: at any rate, I got it compiled and working, immediately began downloading blocks
decimation: one item of note - it is amusing that the copyright notices suddenly changed from "Satoshi Nakamoto" to "The Bitcoin Developers"
mircea_popescu: decimation because that's how maggots become cattle owners.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like "us representatives" as a mythical set includes even you.
decimation: yeah, I would revert it all to satoshi
mircea_popescu: then qntra can run a piece about how bitcoin foundation reverted a missatribution created by usgavin of the bitcoin scamdation, where it falsely attrivbuted bitcoin to an inexistent group instead of satoshi
mircea_popescu: yeah not yet, just, best way to publicly announce this.
decimation: an interesting history of the real details of how comint was shared by the allies
decimation: Hut-3 and 3-US was the US liason hut at Bletchley Park:
decimation: "Much that went on in 3-US was not properly the business of Hut 3. Such questions, for example, as which individuals at American commands should be entitled to have access to Ultra, or what action should be taken on violations of security regulations at American commands-questions which on the British side were handled at Broadway Buildings-were normally handled in 3-US."
decimation: so basically there was a whole pile of people who appeared-to-be-in-charge who were not, and security was effective because a small number were involved
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undata: I got here just in time.
HeySteve: thought you'd appreciate her, mircea_popescu
undata: mircea_popescu: my tits aren't nearly as impressive
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HeySteve: yeah got tired of chasing down the news, on hiatus
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HeySteve: she's getting some food, will tell her to email
HeySteve: argentina still treating you well, mircea_popescu?
HeySteve: things here are still ok, if you don't turn on the news
HeySteve: I can leave to Canada or EU any time but committed to some projects here for a while
HeySteve: but yeah, that's the long term plan
HeySteve: so I'm guessing if Gavin forks the chain, you'll be sticking with the tried and true?
mircea_popescu: the reaction is the reaction for not being revolutionary, after all.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i do is the lesser part. the best thing gavin & co could do is fork themselves outside of this project.
mircea_popescu: simply leaving would be about as big a deal, but not nearly as lolproductive.
HeySteve: if what they do is as bad as all that, perhaps satoshi will break radio silence again
HeySteve: hmm but if they compromise it somehow, he could squelch them with three words, like dorian story
mircea_popescu: HeySteve not really, for one thing, and more likely to wring his own neck than anything.
HeySteve: this trend is robbing the guillotines
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undata: who kills himself with a nail gun
Mikayla: Am I the only one who feels a conspircy coming on?
Mikayla: ya no it doesn't sound 100% effective
Mikayla: imagine living through it?
undata: right, that's a punishment
undata: a suicidal person goes for effectiveness
undata: "Kill him with a nail gun." "Yeah boss"
mircea_popescu: HeySteve mod6 Mikayla i dunno, i kinda feel bad for the bankers.
mircea_popescu: their "crimes" are entirely based on rules the government had no authority to make, and certainly has no authority to enforce.
mircea_popescu: they're just middleaged pencilnecks being bullied, essentially.
Mikayla: just the nail gun is suspect
Mikayla: why not gas yourself in your car?
mircea_popescu: Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ?
mircea_popescu: to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest.
Mikayla: I own a bitpull. have very high walls. electronic gate. latches on the door.
undata: ah yeah, loyal, super fun
undata: they'll tear someone in half, but *for you*
Mikayla: my german shepard was poisoned
Mikayla: she's still a puppy but never leaves my side
undata: Mikayla: shooting's a skill I think everyone should have
Mikayla: guns aren't easy to obtain here
undata: ah well... I grew up in texas
undata: they hand them out in kindergarden there
mircea_popescu: the question as to exactly *how* assbot removes her voice is left as an exercise to the onanist.
Mikayla: he doesn't like my boobages
mircea_popescu: Mikayla get a wot account, i'll rate you, then you can self-voice and it be permanent.
mircea_popescu: lol well you do have perhaps the worst potato of a camera.
Mikayla: It's the energy saving bulbs
PinkPosixPXE: Hope you can stay safe Mikayla, that sounds scary. Electric gate seem like a good idea, and dogs are great protectors, or at the very least alarm systems :). I should look into an electric gate, I want to setup a few security cams soon as well (despite living in a safe neighborhood, in my opinion, no where is truly safe).
undata: portland is filled with zombie bums on meth
undata: I got my first gun after being mugged in Houston
mircea_popescu: so if someone tries it again you gonna smoke the mofo ?
PinkPosixPXE: I do own a glock 19, and have a concealed carry permit, but I'd like to prevent intruders from even bothering, before facing the alternative...
Mikayla: it's illegal to shoot someone here though
Mikayla: no idea why then guns are even allowed?
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, I imagine the gun laws are much different
undata: mircea_popescu: it would have to escalate severely for me to consider it
Mikayla: I don't even think you're allowed a gun in public
Mikayla: I know it needs to be locked in a gun safe
mircea_popescu: weird, i thought the boers were all about gun slingin'.
Mikayla: "Please mister Robber. Wait a bit white I unlock my safe to get my gun"
undata: it's not as though I'd take joy in blowing some mentally ill guy away
PinkPosixPXE: yea, they'll hold the gun straight to your head, but you better keep yours in a safe so you are a 'law abiding citizen'
Mikayla: I'd shoot someone in my home who planned to make me statistic
mircea_popescu: undata my perhaps overstated point being that unless you're ready to shoot you don't really have much use for a gun.
undata: mircea_popescu: reach into bag, pull out?
undata: I tend to have a laptop on me
Mikayla: they're meant for shooting
undata: but I moved from Houston; Portland's less about mugging and more about the odd home invasion
mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet a girl with big tits that hates boots.
undata: mircea_popescu: inside the house it'd take me about 5sec to be ready
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coincidence, rule of the universe, something in between...
mircea_popescu: undata granted, against a home invasion it's a good play.
PinkPosixPXE: In CCW training they really push the practice of grabbing your firearm as quickly as possible, and defending yourself as need be. Always keeping it in a specific spot most convenient for easy access.. etc.. just depends on the situation though.. Home vs. My car on the bad side of town..
Mikayla: other bit of security is that I don't go outside at night
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe when the US falls apart I can just strap it
PinkPosixPXE: They also go over all the legalities, and what you have to truly consider, and understand comes with using your weapon, or even pulling it out/unholstering it.
Mikayla: I just take shitty webcam photos
undata: but no, the streets aren't dangerous enough here to need that
Mikayla: It doesn't matter what a person goes out in
Mikayla: found a man hidding in the bush once
Mikayla: a guy was with me and we were talking outside a neighbours home in a car
Mikayla: and he kept saying there's a man in that bush
Mikayla: it was a bush on a wall feature outside a gate
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Mikayla: phoned the police. A year later they're yet to show up.
Mikayla: I'm sure it's not illegal for my dog to kill a man in my yard though?
Mikayla: everything has a loop hole
undata: first thing after the revolution, some goddamn sovereignty over one's personal property
undata: Mikayla: sorry, the state obligates you to protect that man! he's just sick.
Mikayla: nah well the dog can't be legally punished
Mikayla: they won't ask me to put my dog down who attacked a man in my property
mircea_popescu: mebbe you do, iu have no idea what the law's like there.
Mikayla: you can't kill someone no matter what they do sort of law
Mikayla: you're meant to injure them
mircea_popescu: well honestly, if someone tried to mug me i'd rather shoot them in the shoulder than kill them.
mircea_popescu: if particularly obnoxious, shoot out each knee, then each hip, then each shoulder, then call them an ambulance.
Mikayla: the thing is they don't just mug you here
mircea_popescu: about even odds they ever mug anyone again, depending if they carry insurance.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla hence "<mircea_popescu> Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ? to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest."
Mikayla: without dampening the mood here. There was a girl, around 16, gang raped by men and a broken beer bottle....
Mikayla: I'll take my chances of my dog killing the person
mircea_popescu: well, but is it mostly factual or mostly media hysteria is what i want to know
Mikayla: the media reports very poorly
Mikayla: and a person doesn't stay in prison very long - one of the reasons being the prisons are too full
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undata: man... I am all for the revolutionary terror of women killing attempted rapists
Mikayla: news - she was mentioned quite a lot in the news due to the disgusting nature of how she died and how long it took the find the culprits
undata: mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?"
undata: in most circles I think that labels me a sexist?
Mikayla: it's unfair to be chaperoned every where you go
mircea_popescu: well, depends if she's the dependent sort of woman that lives as property of men or the independent sort that does not. for the latter your idea is scarcely a solution.
Mikayla: I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once
Mikayla: Only had one attack on me in the street and I was 17 then
undata: mircea_popescu | undata women suck at killing men. << in a violent society, what's to be done about this fact?
Mikayla: some old homeless guy grabbed me
mircea_popescu: undata nothing. a violent society forces women into dependent roles willy-nilly.
undata: not saying lets all convert to Islam; my lady walks around Portland herself just fine
Mikayla: first time 16 and the homeless guy tried to make out with me
Mikayla: it's unfair a person must live like they're in a prison
Mikayla: everyone has a right to freedome
mircea_popescu: Mikayla you know, the weird thing they do here, is try to kiss girls. just like that, randomly. cause this is romanticised, and so...
mircea_popescu: Mikayla everyone has the right to the freedom they actually want.
Mikayla: it's not like a person goes and walks in the street at night because they're bored
PinkPosixPXE: I worked at a datacenter, on graveyards for a while, in a rough part of town, and had to walk 3 blocks in the ghetto to a parking garage every night... I had a few scary encounters, and ended up carrying a stun gun at that point. The security gaurds could escort you only so far off the property too, so you just had to be on gaurd..
mircea_popescu: course the bitch of all time is that young women are exactly at an age when they're simultaneously a) unclear as to what they actually want and b) attractive. pretty much everyting about living things is made out of bottlenecks like that.
Mikayla: my fear of a weapon like a stun gun is that it gets used on me
mircea_popescu: Mikayla well, strong muscular contractions. sex toy basically.
Mikayla: gosh reminding me of a movie :(
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, any weapon you carry can be used against you, it's an important thing to be mindful of, that's where the training to use it, and learn some self defense tactics comes in.
mircea_popescu: undata what do you thing slavegirls wear dog collars for :D
Mikayla: at least with a gun the first shot has a major impact and quick
undata: mircea_popescu: in the case of the stun gun, you might get a little zap yourself
PinkPosixPXE: I'm very small, so someone's always going to have a natural advantage, strength wise.
undata: mircea_popescu: man, progress everywhere...
Mikayla: gosh. I'm going to really warp your minds if I continue....
Mikayla: here it's a norm to rape a 3 day old baby :( the person doesn't even care what disease they have :(
mircea_popescu: Mikayla what's norm mean ? like, every 3yo you know got raped ?
PinkPosixPXE: 4'11 :/ .. Yea, I'm already a little overly paranoid, I think it's wise to be so Mikayla, so good for you..
Mikayla: But I am a volunteer at the voting stations so hopefully it'll change
Mikayla: mircea_popescu it happens A LOT
undata: Mikayla: this is a poor black superstition thing right?
undata: this is what's not being mentioned
Mikayla: undata different reasons. Some believe having sex with a virgin cures age
Mikayla: mircea_popescu a baby is raped or killed every 3 seconds in Africa
mircea_popescu: having sex with a teenager cures age. and she'd better not be a virgin.
undata: Mikayla: holy fucking statistic
Mikayla: mircea_popescu reported crimes
Mikayla: nevermind those not reported...
mircea_popescu: to make perfectly clear, my issue here is this : if one knows (from the news) that a) X event happens and b) (the news) isn't reporting it frequently enough and c) )(other parties) aren't taking enough action,
Mikayla: "The rate of sexual violence in South Africa is among the highest in the world. Sexual violence is the use of force or manipulation to get someone to engage in unwanted sexual activity without his or her consent.[1] An estimated of 500,000 rape cases take place in the country, every year.["
mircea_popescu: this situation could be indicative of X not actually happening.
Mikayla: that's reported - which many aren't
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: yea, hehe, that's sort of how the nick evolved. Friends call me a variety of things like 'tinkerbell' etc.
undata: it is true; it's important to avoid hysteria
Mikayla: they go on police reported numbers
Mikayla: I've been on the police website and seen the increases
Mikayla: it goes into multiple 100%'s a year
mircea_popescu: now, i know about this hysteria first hand, because some of the safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security"
mircea_popescu: whereas utter shitholes like mexico think everything's mostly fine and dandy
Mikayla: I know Mexico is big on taking someone for ransom
mircea_popescu: the media is... well... a shitpile, as per usual. what's a guy to do to find out ?
Mikayla: here you get abused. raped. sodomised. killed. and they steal your phone.
mircea_popescu: i bet all the "sodomised!!!" news items make it hard to get butt from one's gf.
Mikayla: fluffypony but to do so much to someone just to rob them?
decimation: Mikayla: if it suck so bad, why not go to another country not full of child rapists
Mikayla: serious need a happier topic
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I'm terrified of Mexico, despite people I know who still will vacation there. No thanks, I don't need to take the risk.
Mikayla: decimation I'm trying to help to change it
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE only place where you can actually buy the head of the chief of police.
assbot: Trevor Noah - Melbourne Comedy Festival - YouTube
Mikayla: I want to live in Cape Verde
undata: govts will just let the place burn
decimation: like, you are going to live in your locked mansion and fear the populace while you change them?
undata: mircea_popescu: yes, militias tend to be drawn from the locale
Mikayla: decimation I am a volunteer at multiple charity organisations and I'm a volunteer for the voting stations to stop corruption
Mikayla: we're not zimbabwe... yet. ;)
decimation: maybe only 60% of the vote will go to the anc?
decimation: you might as well hope to push a lorry up a mountain
Mikayla: decimation they are declining in their voting numbers - even though they cheat
mircea_popescu: fluffypony give her something to do so she can save enough to visit me!
Mikayla: I don't give those sort of details :/
HeySteve: Mikayla you can trust fluffypony
fluffypony: omg you're like round the corner from me
HeySteve: anyway I'm out have a good evening all
undata: mircea_popescu: how developed was yugoslavia at the time? what other factors (economic, social) were involved?
Mikayla: I'm talking like a "cape coloured"
undata: mircea_popescu: in the wake of a collapse wouldn't there be warfare to be expected?
Mikayla: I like Plett but I bet christmas time it's too full for a normal citizen
mircea_popescu: undata the following factor is involved : me and a buddy will kick your ass. you and four buddies will kick our ass. the 100 man militia kicks the 50 man militia, right or wrong.
fluffypony: Mikayla: listen, man, PE is a bit of a dead zone, maar jy kan ook kaap toe
undata: mircea_popescu: in a time of fracture I'd expect that anyway though
mircea_popescu: soon enough the militias are making armies and withdrawing from towns for pure strategic reasons.
Mikayla: fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different
mircea_popescu: right ? so, no. the problem isn't govt being deliberately evil.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the worlkd is made so the weak get raped
fluffypony: Mikayla: yisssss, we're borderline Eastern Cape tho :-P
mircea_popescu: fucking point of life, that's how we're even here in the first place.
Mikayla: fluffypony pretty much. Haha. You're like the Mexico of America. lol
undata: mircea_popescu: so then... why would I want the social groups closest to me to be weak?
Mikayla: it sounds like a torrent app. lol
undata: mircea_popescu: I want my private property, my family, and my friends to be protected.
Mikayla: fluffypony sjoe... super flow... lol
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> asks where she lives << you know nine out of ten people enjoy a gangbang.
Mikayla: fluffypony - you're not allowed to gang bang me.
undata: and I want a piece of dirt big enough to contain all of those
undata: and the right to defend that smallish rectangle of dirt
fluffypony: my wife and I would never allow that, so you're all good
undata: other than that, let whatever powers that be do their thing.
undata: mircea_popescu: the above is in no way fanciful.
undata: mircea_popescu: I've told you what I want; you tell me why I can't have it.
mircea_popescu: because you've defined what you want using undefined functions.
mircea_popescu: use the api as is, not the api as you think it should be.
undata: mircea_popescu: given "otherwise let the powers that be do their thing", I can likely implement the above in any moderately stable state
mircea_popescu: fluffypony Mikayla for my own trivia file, what's "da territory" ?
undata: give them their paper, sign their stupid documents
undata: and otherwise, big fence, you're not coming in
mircea_popescu: undata no, but you can give yourself a passible illusion that you have.
decimation: I guess white folk in za have already been strongly selected, those who think there's no hope have already left.
mircea_popescu: <Mikayla> fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different <<
Mikayla: the best. But not where I am.
undata: mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists?
undata: mircea_popescu: well... that's all I'm after.
mircea_popescu: undata higher level results are hard on low level machines :)
undata: mircea_popescu: we all die in the end anyway
chetty: <undata> mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> none.//doing the pestering
undata: I have no desire to be the glorious leader.
undata: I just want to build things.
undata: maybe the glorious leader can benefit from my unpestered creativity and we can come to some arrangement
decimation: or maybe he will convert you to bio-diesel
undata: and maybe the sun will engulf the earth
undata: living in fear is being dead already
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe wanting them is one half of a dynamic system
Mikayla: wow that was a long hiccup
undata: I'm trying to find whether it's true that Hitler was going to kill his rocket scientists.
undata: mircea_popescu: seems propaganda
Mikayla: he was pretty sick in the head
Mikayla: I wouldn't put anything past Hitel
Mikayla: But I have a major respect for him on how he collected such a large following
undata: if it were true, it'd be a great example of power over sense
Mikayla: not being a good speaker he still had a crowd begging to hear him
mircea_popescu: "Thanks for continuously debunking modern myths." <<< ahh makes me all warm inside. for what else is the scholar, if not the mythbuster.
undata: the short term benefit of enemies not learning the same rocketry secrets trumping the long term benefit of.... more fucking rockets
undata: and oh, causing your remaining engineers to go crazy.
Mikayla: [20:46] [Mikayla PING reply]: 49secs
Mikayla: my internets are sucking tonight
undata: there's a greater gulf between feared and feared-and-loved than most leaders seem to know
mircea_popescu: undata kinda the difference between friendzone and sex slave.
undata: mircea_popescu: oh, in your definition is the "need to belong" reciprocal?
undata: I thought about that after the conversation. Particularly, what happens when you reach the top?
undata: we were talking about the inherent need for humans to belong, i.e. slavery
mircea_popescu: from the joys of debugging c : "I got a print in the middle of a loop and I discover it loops half the time returning pointers and half actual data"
mircea_popescu: undata ah ah. well, it's unclear. i think for most people at the top of their pyramid it's abstracted one way or the other.
undata: mircea_popescu: "belongs to God" "the cause" something?
mircea_popescu: if it becomes bijective the whole thing's condemned to ruin.
mircea_popescu: kinda why hereditary systems do not work, ever. while the founder can not give a shit about his crown,
mircea_popescu: his son is born as the son of the guy wioth the crown, and it can never can become quite the "whatever!" thing for him.
undata: mircea_popescu: the semi-formed thought is that not belonging might be the cost
undata: still thinking about it
Mikayla: I have never been so thirsty in my life
Mikayla: why is alcohol the one thing a person nevers learns from?
mircea_popescu: spoend the night drinking romanian plum distilate, the hangover's a pleasure.
Mikayla: gosh I think it was the combination
undata: mircea_popescu: is plum liquor as delicious as it sounds?
Mikayla: well I am a woman and I was in a gay bar so I don't think that was the case
undata: I wonder if they have that here
mircea_popescu: not just crapola generic alcohol with a label aded as they still do in the us.
bounce: dunno 'bout dem gayse. mebbe dey serve roofies standard dere, yanno.
bounce: though the standard fix for hangover is to just drink lots of water before going to bed.
undata: there's this poutine cart here that's a good 3am last stop
Adlai: bounce: better yet, alternate alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks
Adlai: even better, instead of water, drink water with ice + lemon, people think you're drinking twice as much alcohol and you can act twice as drunk
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Adlai: indeed i do drink like a girl, i usually regret not doing so
undata: Adlai: just drink your fill, don't put on a show
undata: who gives a shit how much you drink
Adlai: well, alternating drinks takes most of the bite out of the hangover, and gives the opportunity for a show
undata: farming cred with shirley temples
Adlai: there's wishes and then there's fact
mircea_popescu: isn't that like... even worse than actually being a girl ?
Adlai: not often enough to care much tbh
mircea_popescu: well i guess yo uat least don't wish you were a pony LIKE SOME PEOPLE
Adlai: being a dolphin would be sweeeet though
Adlai: i'd name myself x!dlai
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sandworm or god emperor?
mircea_popescu: isn't the sandworm from dune essentially an animated shit ?
Adlai: iirc it's the eventual evolution of other sandworms' shit, through little worms, to big worms
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe it's the fact that women actually know how much fucking energy goes into making men, and don't so well manage to ignore it. or because they're emotionally clingy. or simply because that's how genders are hardcoded.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, men tend to hurt women and women can't really get themselves to kill me.
mircea_popescu: Denn träfe jede Kugel apart ihren Mann, wo kriegten die Könige ihre Soldaten dann?
mircea_popescu: my dead nigger storage bills would be a lot more mangeable if only that were the case.
mircea_popescu: but no. ironically, natasha makes a much better assassin than serghey can ever hope to be.
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assbot: Physical Bitcoins by Casascius
assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla you know, i think she also has indiscriminate sex with black men.
PinkPosixPXE: I'll have to google more images and info to see better shots of the kialara coin, they look pretty intricate, and much more secure than the sticker holograms on the casascius coin
assbot: Physical Bitcoins by Casascius
assbot: Kialara Physical Bitcoin « Photography, Illustration & Creative Retouching – Portfolio of Maxfield Mellenbruch
PinkPosixPXE: That shows a diagram of how it's assembled, and has an image gallery as well linked
assbot: Proof of Art: Kialara Bitcoin Bar is Magically Delicious | Ounce.me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people like to fiddle and fidget. do you fidget ?
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I don't like the .1btc limit, but if i had one for novelty, eh..
punkman: punkbot almost ready for ddos!
Adlai: couldn't you commission one with a larger value engraved, based on how much you want to store?
kakobrekla: i dont care, i wipe my ass with iphones 6
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how they could limit the balance anyway
PinkPosixPXE: oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request
Adlai: why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_<
cazalla: undata: mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?" <<< you need to stop victim blaming
kakobrekla: <PinkPosixPXE> oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request < or it MAY break under the weight
Adlai: but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly.
punkman: mircea_popescu: could you put a gpg msg in a trilema comment without all the <br>s (say, inside a <pre> tag), want to test with bot
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) July 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations
ben_vulpes: in retrospect that should be "ether distribution"
punkman: mircea_popescu: that has <br>s in msg
undata: cazalla: that's a moron's interpretation of what was said.
Adlai: ben_vulpes: so you're telling me people paid btc for private keys that someday will contain inflationary vaporware?
cazalla: undata, relax, i'm just doing some early morning trollin' :P
Adlai backs even further away from ethereum
ben_vulpes: <Mikayla> I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once << bwaaat
Adlai: i wasn't too near it ten minutes ago either
punkman: prepaid electricity meter? those are hilarious
punkman: mircea_popescu: I was thinking I could be grabbing reports straight from comments, so you don't have to make pastebins
Adlai can't tell whether "popescuity" is related to pope or promiscuity, or both
punkman: or maybe not, depends on your wp I guess
mircea_popescu: notrly, it just gives responsibility to not breaking the page to the author of the message
punkman: just needs overflow:scroll, magic
cazalla: mircea_popescu: australia sucks <<< not rly, no blacks to steal white wimminz
punkman: but other deeds might have html
mircea_popescu: cazalla to recycle an argument from above, who is more likely to fellate a hippo ? people in the savannah, who get it up the ass all the time anyway, or people in new york ?
PinkPosixPXE: 12:51 <+Adlai> why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_< << It says "Verify Balance at" (on top) then "Blockchain.info" at the bottom, for idiots I suppose.
ben_vulpes: wrote my own patch ripping out upnp dependency, build is now taking forever.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you're right, i imagine the few blacks that are here get a lot of white wimminz
mircea_popescu: srsly, just because i can do most of the tasks one can do with a computer does not mean im particularly good at it.
undata: anybody know how big the testnet blockchain is?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "let me fly the plane! i've got like 20 sim hours!"
undata: mircea_popescu: so tiny, k
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes moar like "lemme pull on that plunger. sims are for sissies anyway."
ben_vulpes: that's a narrow hair from "just one more bag - it'll be fine."
mircea_popescu: cazalla you'd prolly love argentina. basically their citizenship criteria is "are you black ?", and black people are stuck doing street vending.
assbot: Allan Gray Pretty Percy - YouTube
Mikayla: think you guys will enjoy it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm running it in a debian vm
Mikayla: deep and thought provoking for less than a minute vid
cazalla: mircea_popescu, fwiw, even if you were the biggest blackest nigger in all of the lands, i'd still come here each day and listen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng ?
cazalla: Mikayla, how is that harsh? i just said i don't really care, i just go for low hanging troll fruits
cazalla: while i was sleeping "fivezerotwo> let's talk" has he been around?
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gribble: fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 11 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <fivezerotwo> That's doubtful, perhaps you got banned
cazalla: ;;later tell fivezerotwo i was asleep, email or say whatever it is you want to say in pm
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decadent rich << describes clients and their target customers quite well
ben_vulpes: i and boys slave in golden cage, fabbing golden toilets
bounce: re nanotube running out of red, bit of a sign the communication isn't working, so more of the same isn't really the proper answer.
bounce: but hey, maybe he just likes that 1995 look, who knows
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nubbins`: busy weekend but have been reading logs. asciilifeform, sounds like your surgery is going well so far
nubbins`: bitcoin foundation charter looks good, i may propose some minor changes when i get a chance to give it another read
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: next step is to coerce 'git' into pooping out sane patch
nubbins`: asciilifeform nod. your chicken recipe follows a nice format too
ben_vulpes: am now squarely out of competence zone
cazalla: well how much did they remove nubbins`
bounce: "git format-patch" no good, why?
nubbins`: cazalla only the frequencies i don't really use
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i swear that's me beside the bright yellow light
bounce: used it often enough. seems to work reasonably well.
cazalla: someone is blocking the fire exit
bounce: venue people's job to check all fire exits before the party starts and keep 'em open during, too.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness << there's always the blink tag
bounce doesn't object to ascii-only. 80 cols max while at it please.
bounce: blink got deimplemented to the point that people're reimplementing it with javascript.
jurov: <asciilifeform> turdomatic broadcast station ready? << on it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: tooling question: when working on the actual c files, should i be working in a parallel directory and then diff -uNr original_dir my_dir > patch.diff?
nubbins`: <+cazalla> someone is blocking the fire exit <<< that's actually the guitarist
nubbins`: he barfed all over Ted's bass after
jurov: sadly no secret mods here. my wet dreams are dedicated to haskoin
jurov: but i consider this effor immensely useful
nubbins`: asciilifeform what's the current line count?
TheNewDeal: in reference to the talk about nail guns before, they would definitely be useful as a weapon for inflicting fatal wounds, and they can be purchased at your local hardware store. my opinion
assbot: GiveDirectly claims Aid system is broken and the most efficient aid system is ... giving direct cash to the poor using *new technology* . Should we mail them? : Bitcoin
undata: and they will spend it how?
jurov: give them microscopes!
undata: maybe paper wallets provided there's anywhere to spend one in person (there isn't)
nubbins`: that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages
cazalla: TheNewDeal, you know that's not even an option here for if you used it on an intruder, you would need to explain "legitimate use" for keeping a nailgun next to your bed or in bedroom
nubbins`: budgeting 60 lines per page as a rough guide
undata: TheNewDeal: sure fatal wounds but if you're offing yourself, aren't there quicker ways?
undata: nailgun seems like a good way to bleed out slowly
TheNewDeal: it was speculation on a banker killing himself with a nail gun
nubbins`: cazalla so rip a hole in your wall
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undata: and that was with a railroad spike
TheNewDeal: you could shoot yourself in the head and end up like gage too
undata: asciilifeform: my stepdad used to fly medevac helicopters, saw more than a couple botched suicides that merely blew off the person's face
TheNewDeal: i've seen a guy who did it with a shotgun (many years after)
TheNewDeal: but if you're going to play russian roulette and hope to come out alive, good luck with your odds
undata: haha, "russian roulette at shotgun odds" << I will use this to describe a fucked situation later.
TheNewDeal: was more of a euphemism, not meant to be literal
TheNewDeal: but seriously, suicide rates would probably go up if people switched from shotgun to nail gun
TheNewDeal: oooo this game looks like a good drinking game
undata: this fits with my perception of russia perfectly
kakobrekla: "drinking game" - never understood this concept.
undata: probably 8 shots worth at normal sized pieces?
TheNewDeal: it's mostly a ploy to get the women to drink as much as the men
TheNewDeal: The people that I would drink and play these card games with typically arent the chess sort. Although I do play Catan with another set of friends, and we often drink while playing
undata: are you guys hacking the rpc bits out of bitcoind?
undata: how would automated services be written?
ben_vulpes: talk to the binary running on the machine.
undata: or is that not in the scope of this client?
decimation: lol ran 'sloccount' on your stripped distro ascii
decimation: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 19,899
decimation: Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 624,330 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40).
decimation: yeah dependency on openssl for ecdsa is ugly
decimation: surely there's some free reference implementation somewhere
bounce: "physical sloc". sheesh.
decimation: we could count the number of cards it would take
ben_vulpes: undata: few automated services need to send btc.
jurov: even by hand, need toinject txs somehow
assbot: kmackay/micro-ecc GitHub
jurov: pffft. what about just trivial protocol via unix socket like
jurov: SUBMIT <tx in hex>
jurov: and bitocind replies OK
jurov: you want to hardwire /dev/tty0 to the implementation?
jurov: i'd prefer another trivial piece that relays between unix socket and ttyS0 or qr reader or whatever
jurov: or if exclusively one client is wanted, then just pass pipe file descriptor
jurov: ok, i have no problem with pty either
TheNewDeal: did burnside ever get in trouble with the sec?
decimation: people who insist on windows can use the turdmeister's bitcoind
hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk
jurov: one can multiply 256bit numbers with slide rule?
TheNewDeal: going to replace google searches with ascii searches from now on
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hanbot: #1 looks like it could put the fun in functional
undata: TheNewDeal: son of hitler, working in secret from Argentina
undata: side note, the german doctor was a good film
jurov: hitler gave birth to a son? they got helluva good job with the gender change
undata: jurov: lost nazi medicine
nubbins`: there was this site, asobrain, had a brilliant and FAST knock-off java applet version
nubbins`: we're talking 30-45 minute cities & knights games
TheNewDeal: I've never finished a cities and knights game that quick
nubbins`: not having to fumble with setup every time
nubbins`: shuffling tiles, those round shits, etc
TheNewDeal: It'd be nice to have a bitcoin base game, but it would be hard to not have collusion
nubbins`: anyway, they eventually disabled new signups because it was too intense
jurov places an order for slide rule with about 2^256 notches
jurov: maaaaybe 2^64 will do
nubbins`: the guy running it claimed that he wanted to spare newcomers from the crippling addiction
nubbins`: while letting existing ones live out their remaining whithered days exchanging wheat for sheep
nubbins`: until they starve at their keyboards
TheNewDeal: I like to subtley call "wheat" "weed." Wanna trade some weed for sheep?
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TheNewDeal: Trades are verbally binding in catan ya know
nubbins`: trade's official when you let someone touch your card
TheNewDeal: what if you trick them as to which card?
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TheNewDeal: when are smugglers going to learn about bitcoin?
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TheNewDeal: nubbins` do you ever see if people will trade and then play the dev card that confiscates all the resource of one type?
nubbins`: TheNewDeal that's frowned upon
nubbins`: good way to find yourself on the wrong end of everyone else's cards 8)
TheNewDeal: we get pretty cut throat in our games, but you risk an unofficial trade ban if you pull it off
nubbins`: we should discuss this further
jurov: is everyone okay with the mailinglist being on therealbitcoin.org domain?
jurov: i'm doing standard mailman archives
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'd love to see it at f9beb4d9.org
ben_vulpes: if only mircea_popescu were still giving away domains...
decimation: jurov do you want my xbtfoundation.org?
assbot: Bug #558189 (sf-1167696) add support for PGP and S/MIME encrypt... : Bugs : GNU Mailman
jurov: still looking into it how to deal with attachments
TheNewDeal: I apologize for the off topic questions, but does friedcat have a gpg key?
jurov: you want to send patches in above tar.gz format?
jurov: ic, the tarball is easy be signed by others
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read << would a new tarball with sig attached suffice?
jurov: no it's looking like one attachment the tarball, another attachment the signature
jurov: which must be named similarly
jurov: other people shall reply and send only their signatures
jurov: when multiple files are needed, can be tarred
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: to digress, what's the rationale behind keeping makefile.linux-mingw?
jurov: it'll actually be fileformat and filecount agnostic...
jurov: as long as each patch can be uniquely identified and paired with relevant sigs
jurov: thus ... for every attachment named patch-author-id attach also patch-author-id.sig
jurov: and whoever want to sign it, sends patch-author-id.sig too
jurov: is message body so important?
jurov: Yes. then the patch above can be used: "A post will be distributed only if the PGP signature on the post is from one of the list members."
jurov: i have to try it first what the "signature on the post" means if it si not S/MIME
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does "tree" entail "contrib" as well?
ben_vulpes: the test-bitcoin line in makefile.unix - is that where i should look for running tests?
ben_vulpes: i have zero familiarity with the c ecosystem
ben_vulpes: would like to run tests, write tests, etc
ben_vulpes: i build the thing, and then boot it, and if getblockcount increments under my eye - it passes?
ben_vulpes: surely there's more rigor possible than this.
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ben_vulpes: i'd like to have a thing that built a patch; booted the resulting artifact on testnet, mined some TN coins, sent them to itself, etc
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ben_vulpes: what are the stats of this "one machine"?
cazalla: they don't say, i'll send an email
cazalla: actually, ben_vulpes was that even in response to article or chat above
kakobrekla: > A single machine acting as a full node takes approximately 10 minutes to verify and process a 32 MB block, meaning that a 32 MB block size is near the maximum one could expect to handle with 1 machine acting as a full node < but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ?
ben_vulpes: watch that turn out to be an aws maxi-sized VPS
kakobrekla: never ? < ah i got it. wait 18 months for computing power to double
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
ben_vulpes: best to do it correctly, though. and binaries are not my concern - source is.
ben_vulpes: does UPNP removal count as a cosmetic change?
ben_vulpes: it's at least an example of the desired process.
kakobrekla: in reality no one will ever know if it works.
kakobrekla: 'fits in head' < meh, some folks fit 50k digits of pi in ther head.
kakobrekla: the test "if you can stomach" it is not the best one imho
ben_vulpes: if it does what it says on the tin, i find it a vastly more palatable meal than say a dollar
ben_vulpes: few things are certain even to those capable of reasoning about them. i must fumble in the dark making guesses. my guess though, is that some parts of it work.
ben_vulpes: but tis but a guess and that guess from me, and discounts should be applied heavily.
kakobrekla: still this is very arbitrary. can expect to stuff this in avg head and also on the other hand some people can digest some funky shit.
kakobrekla: just saying the standard is poorly defined.