bounce: carnies guarding fairness. oh yes, brilliant plan.
mircea_popescu: "While preparing for the final audit results, a task we were working on for weeks now, our bitcoin wallet has been hacked and emptied, just after exchanging our fiat holdings within the exchanges to bitcoin and transferring our entire holdings to our wallet, in order to proof our solvency."
mircea_popescu: "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors."
bounce: wrong function. anyway. obviously a learned type.
mircea_popescu: a few dozen small and medium investors ? readding tarddit is funy at timmes
mircea_popescu: small is easily imagined and medium is like kinda not so easily
mircea_popescu: "Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic."
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors." <<< "see what you guise made me do? seeya in six months with a new name!"
nubbins`: wait, six months is a long time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well at least he wasn't you know, part of the cult of b-a or anything.
assbot: John Carley (@BTC_Trader) | Twitter
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yup, pirate@40 round 2
assbot: Anonabox - Tor router box is false representation, possibly even scam! : privacy
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller from that link : "I found this site few days ago and bought mining shares, and have been getting 1.42% return every day. I'm using the returns to buy a smaller amount of trading shares.
https://bitcoin-trader.biz/opportunities.php Full disclosure: I am not related to this site in any way, shape or form."
mircea_popescu: "Hi, I have been using the site since mid December. You do have to be careful where you put your coins. The site has some . . . well, issues. A .biz suffix for one, but also they work out of the UK (trading stops on UK holidays) but are incorporated in Panama with no locational address or phyiscal contact method.
mircea_popescu: They also have glowing reviews from all over the world posted on their site after only a month of operation. It feels like trying too hard. That said, I did take a chance and invest some coins. I contacted them about my concerns (after I invested a few coins) and they were responsive and discussed things with me. Their backend is pretty sophisticated and you can withdraw your earnings at any time without fees. If it
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I don't get why people are hating on the anonabox, why does it matter if they were using existing hardware?
mircea_popescu: "Ok i can't say how much i invested in total, i had shares worth $25k but i reinvested from daily earnings, wasn't so much i signed up in September...
mircea_popescu: Fact is they ran away with $25k from me, if it was reinvested or not doesn't matter really as they promised to make it from trading..."
mircea_popescu: Azelphur apparently the existing hardware is the only part that works as advertised
Azelphur: heck, if I wanted to build something like the anonabox, that's exactly the way I would build it, find some cheap mass produced decent existing hardware, build decent software to run on it, and ship it out preconfigured
Azelphur: carry on with the hating then :P
Azelphur: I thought everyone was hating on it because it used the TP-Link board, xD
Azelphur: sure, I have no desire to purchase it I have a very nice OpenWRT router that I can do all the things with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd be surprised if he didn't ?! how wouldn't he 1?
Yna: I am a gambling addict that seeks somewhere to investment lock my remaining btc so I can have guaranteed growth (however small).
assbot: Anonabox scam - Why I don't trust them! : technology
mircea_popescu: so then why the fuck do you ppl quote the numbers for.
mircea_popescu: i can just go in there, plonk down 1mn for some project, then 25 days later cancel it ?
Yna: That doesn't seem like a low rick investment
decimation: sounds more like another form of merit-washing to me
decimation: daddy mc warbucks puts $1 mil to 'prove' junior is a real businessman, etc
Yna: As I said I need to lock it somewhere
cazalla: mats_cd03: i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once <<< how about a belt sander?
kakobrekla: Yna get in the wot and ill take care of your coins for 1% a year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform decimation not even, simple penny stock scam. you make "company", ask for 1.1 mn, i drop down 1mn, then withdraw it. you got the "social proof" and some money in the bank/
mircea_popescu: course this is illegal, except if you're a "revolutionary" ycombinator sort of scam.
bounce: and don't forget to supply lots of government-issued documents with pictures of you, for your own safety, of course. while I'm holding your coins. and running.
mircea_popescu: one day i'm gonna accidentally elide that quote and ask someone whore you?
assbot: Why Kickstarter 'can't' and won't protect backers once a project is funded | Polygon
undata: mircea_popescu: a guy from portland, oregon that writes code
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undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen some intelligent-sounding stuff on the trilema blog and thought I'd sit in a while
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then they wanna bitch at bitcoin, these people.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform thats the model bitstamp is using among others.
kakobrekla: undata you should check the logs perhaps.
mircea_popescu: i dun think stalin gets to pick the form of his own fucking letters.
undata: kakobrekla: what in particular?
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assbot: FBI director: Tech companies should be required to make devices wire-tap friendly - The Washington Post
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bounce: such lies. lies and hot button soup.
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: How Microsoft Appointed Itself Sheriff of the Internet | WIRED
cazalla: and just as i am about to publish a story
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decimation: asciilifeform: but what we have seen from the cdc et. al. is incompetence at coordination
decimation: I suspect that usg is apple's bitch and not vice versa
decimation: my point is merely that usg has generally shown to be plain incompetent, not conspiratorially incompetent
kakobrekla: isnt that what they would want you to belive decimation
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i can't upload images btw, says no write access
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decimation: kakobrekla: of course, but it's also possible that the pleading is genuine, so that congress or whoever will make a law or something stupid like that
assbot: Robocoin Removed By Australian Police As Part Of Drug Arrests | Qntra.net
cazalla: it's all happening down under
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2014 06:30:54; mircea_popescu: in any event it's a fortressy thing to do. "here is money for the taking. take it only like so, or else you die"
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah this is a reasonable idea
decimation: after all, fortresses in the middle ages were mostly used as tollbooths
assbot: Wildly successful crowdfunded 'anonabox' router accused of lying to customers
decimation: the secret keys which 'hold' bitcoin are so easy to lift that it requires impressive trustworthy physical security to protect
decimation: hopefully the crypto is inserted in a separate plug
kakobrekla: Because despite positive press coverage from the Guardian, TechCrunch, WIRED, ReadWrite and beyond ... < you should set the domains of those sites to resolve to 127.0.0.1 in your hosts.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to wired.com, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen?
decimation: re: qntra 'purpose' discussion < it would be useful if it simply named names
PinkPosixPXE: I wonder if this live coinbase cofounder AMA coming on in 30 minutes, will be any good.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: your 'escape' plans << it's true that in the us your property isn't safe, least of all from usg - but is there really a country that credibly offers a better deal
decimation: good point. political connections, 'can call $bureaucrat' etc is the us 'better deal'
decimation: supposedly after failing to win the presidency, bob dole went to work for k street - was pay $ 5 digits to make a single phone call
decimation: because no bureaucrat will not take bob dole's call
assbot: Who sits where? The etiquette of dinner seating - The Washington Post
decimation: usg 'party planner' types studious grade each bureaucrat with the military equivalent, and then rank in parties appropriately
assbot: Across Difficult Country: Ebola Solutions
kakobrekla: nubbins` you are looking for 'mininum'
assbot: Gruesome trailer released for Hatred, a game about mass shootings
kakobrekla: why does assbot offer you a link when there is 0 results, i dont know.
decimation: asciilifeform: somehow extreme violence is considered more-or-less 'ok' in the us, but sexuality isn't (at least in public)
decimation: someone should make an 'rpg' where you are in europe post-nazi victory
decimation: asciilifeform: it has been remarked here before about how good 'democracy' (as practiced today) is so good at misdirecting the masses' need for war/violence/etc
decimation: it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war
decimation: take for instance that fellow hiding in the woods of PA - he could have done far more 'damage' if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity, rather than murdering a cop and giving every cop in the 5-state area a hardon for his ass
thestringpuller: decimation: did you ever see the story about the man who lived in maine?
decimation: thestringpuller: to whom are you referring?
assbot: Hermit caught after 27 years in Maine woods | US news | theguardian.com
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform you've an admirable appreciation of their byzantine mindset
ben_vulpes: provided you've seen them in action i imagine
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decimation: that maine fellow is amusing. it demonstrates that as long as you don't make yourself a general 'problem', you will have ranger bob on your ass and not an entire state's police force
BingoBoingo: decimation: A different "ranger bob" could have just as easily left him buried in the woods to be found next century
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assbot: Cops In Texas Seize Millions By 'Policing for Profit' - Forbes
decimation: maybe Mr. koresh failed to grease the right palms
undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed
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decimation: of course this article describe how that couldn't possibly be the case
thestringpuller: i'll put it on the bed-computer and read it instead of watching tv in bed
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work
assbot: Alexis de Tocqueville on the Dark Sides of Democracy « Isegoria
decimation: de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago
assbot: Coinbase Founders Live AMA - YouTube
assbot: Can Africa ever expect reputable companies like /coinbase to service our needs? Countries like Uganda are desperate for legimate players.
kakobrekla: i dont see anything reddit related on this feed. its on youtube and linking to twitter.
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cazalla: i should've mentioned ebola in my first tweet :\
cazalla: thestringpuller, they usually are
thestringpuller: he was talking about how he doesn't know how one would enter a local market in africa cause he's not an expert
cazalla: don't bother, i'm only trying to troll them
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decimation: asciilifeform: this story reads like the kgb playbook
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: Yuri Bezmenov: Deception Was My Job (Complete) - YouTube
assbot: /coinbase What is your policy and plan regarding blacklisting bitcoin addresses and associating them with customer accounts?
PinkPosixPXE: Someone beat me to mine, re bringing John Collins on board
kakobrekla: ill answer it for you. "we are in US so we need to lick dirty anuses. we called chief dirty anus licker expert on board. not only he has experience he also has connections that will allow us to get the freshest anuses."
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
assbot: Feminists Are Useful Idiots, And Doomed. Must Watch. - YouTube
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gribble: I am connected to freenode as gribble.
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assbot: Horseshoe Casino Cleveland customer arrested after comment about Ebola | cleveland.com
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326926.13 in 91 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.59
assbot: Let's Look At: Papers, Please (Beta) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: not only it doesn't do anything, but it also... doesn't do anything.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> and just as i am about to publish a story << yeah well that'sdhelped along by the fact that you're always about to publish one lol
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread. << quite. "need reasons"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you mean google cache disabled ?
mircea_popescu: Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket - Trilema
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mircea_popescu: trilema.com/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket
mircea_popescu: i've not seen those cached links for agws. they still exist ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to wired.com, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen? << no, they have to enter combinations of keys first.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 01:26:15; asciilifeform: back to botnet topic - we will increasingly see pointless acts of hooliganism
assbot: United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions (Plum Book), 2012
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mircea_popescu: decimation: it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war << who in the us is innocent ?
mircea_popescu: Even more property was forfeited by participating in a federal program known as “equitable sharing.” By partnering with a federal agency, local and state law enforcement can keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds from a forfeited property. Incredibly, police can collaborate even if doing so would circumvent their own states’ protections for property owners.
mircea_popescu: "Between 2001 and 2007, law enforcement agencies seized and kept over 35,000 cars, homes and electronics, forfeiting more than $280 million."
undata: to be fair, the cops have been involved in similar corruption in the US since the beginning
mthreat: that's been happening for a while.. 90s at least
mircea_popescu: undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed <<< which fails to explain why the us govt is not taking better care of staying out of our way.
assbot: I heard that /coindesk pays all of their writers in fiat! RT if you think they should offer pay in bitcoin! /shak /emilyspaven /southtopia
mthreat: my reply: "I'd rather they just stop publishing altogether."
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undata: mthreat: the history of the LAPD is particulary interesting
undata: mircea_popescu: on the one hand you have the inept, sprawling bureaucracy
assbot: Feminists Are Useful Idiots, And Doomed. Must Watch. - YouTube
undata: the pentagon side of things seems rather effective
undata: one can look to black nationalism for an example of how the usgov deals with an actual, organized opposition
undata: mircea_popescu: they went after its command structure with assassinations, (sometimes wrongful) imprisonments, etc
undata: meanwhile destroying the communities with crack, economic oppression, other tools
undata: this is sort of musing on the idea of an actual opponent to the US govt
mircea_popescu: there's two points here. the easy to dispatch one is the naive narcissism. i can see why you'd imagine the usg is important or powerful. this is neither true or particularly likely, from a neutral pov. but moving on,
undata: I haven't; worth seeing?
mircea_popescu: there's a fine example of your "black nationalism" in there, as deployed by sam l jackson's character
mircea_popescu: or at least, it's a fine summary of what i tihnk of it.
undata: mircea_popescu: I was looking for a film for tonight anyway.
undata: oh, nevermind, I've seen this
mircea_popescu: ok. so there's "black nationalism". "that's what they do, turning brother against brother"
undata: right, I wasn't saying it had any chance
mircea_popescu: that's not the point tho. the point is that it wasn't anything but a cheap sales pitch, without any substance.
mircea_popescu: even the scientologists got more meat on the bones than that.
mircea_popescu: (and notice that the scientologists raped the fuck out of the usg, in the 70s. back when it was still a thing)
undata: right, that's a good example of the weakness to be fair
mircea_popescu: so no, the usg didn't black nationality anything. it just put a bunch of thugs away, and much fewer than it either could or should have.
undata: I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think might displace the US govt.
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undata: mircea_popescu: pure capitalism atop bitcoin?
undata: hm, I suppose I'd better stick around then.
Vexual: fonda: wanna fuck? deniro:sure
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
undata: mircea_popescu: I'll check them out; I was talking with friends earlier about how a WoT could be used to delegate authorities to members of an organization
mircea_popescu: ;;google what the wot is how it works and how to use it
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
undata: mircea_popescu: I'll read, digest and get back to ya
undata: asciilifeform: huh... yeah, that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gitta satm you got the formalisaiton quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta say, you got the formalisation quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: i suppose soljenitsin is more readily accessible, and whatever, tolstoy readily seems so to teh western reader
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, it's fascinating how the stuff that doesn't cross is always more interesting than the stuff that does
mircea_popescu: and this seems fucking independnet of which side you sit on if any at all, and time invariant for that matter.
mircea_popescu: no. for one thing, "i salute you, memories of my youth, and knob upon which my fate turned" is unfamiliar to no one
mircea_popescu: in any case, this speaks directly to a revolutionary wonderment, to wit that "how is it that these reactionary types always see the golden age in some past".
mircea_popescu: well... because nobody translates worth a shit, and filters even worse than that ? perhaps ?
ben_vulpes: i mean its dingy as fuck but mebbe if i work really hard
Vexual: you shoerted copper too?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes golden ages are of cultures not of people you lout you!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but also 'traduttore, tradittore.' << but consider ... cinema treason adds to the story.
ben_vulpes: (which - i ain't sharing details - are pretty good)
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Vexual: not much has changed since then
assbot: Logged on 26-09-2014 01:54:40; asciilifeform: shared a machine with a 'sollipse' - also abandoned, of no use.
Vexual: (ride the aforementioned device)
Vexual: I have no idea what youre talking about •nevermind
Vexual: im sure the readers would prefer your discourse to mine
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mircea_popescu: got a decent router in front of the server, puny as it is.
Vexual: you ganna sell the blacklist?
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pete_dushenski: i'm in no rush, so if anyone has recommendations, please to give me a holla :)
pete_dushenski: i'm also open to suggestions for web hosting and ddos prevention services, since we're on the topic atm
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:"Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic." << lmao. this pretty much made my night
pete_dushenski: undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed << hm. now why might that be?
assbot: Democracy vs. Aristocracy | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: my golden age is today << lady v is with child already?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this should be the end of ddos issues. << wunderbar. contravex's links will work!
pete_dushenski: and as a closing thought before the dreams take hold, i have a hard time imagining that bitstamp will seize much more than 10k bitcoin. what's that, a week of price depression?
pete_dushenski: the usgcannon is regressing from a-bombs to slingshots, slowly but surely.
Vexual: the abc version is interesting, poastcode tags
Vexual: oh no, it's in the press release
Vexual: you know, it might be worth nting for international readers that wearing motorcycle club colours has recently become illegal in queensland
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, posted it on qntra earlier, seems it is down again though
cazalla: i have a bit more personal info than that brissy times article though
RagnarDanneskjol: I captured the archive and am putting up on the alt place as we speak
assbot: Mad Max Motorcycle Gang - YouTube
punkman: you got a lot of harleys down under?
Vexual: have you ever seen so many cops in a cafe that doesnt have free donuts?
Vexual: therea a large part of the poulation that like american chrome ragnar
punkman: there's this guy around here with a harley covered in tiny mirrors, looks like a disco ball
cazalla: Vexual, it was published elsewhere anyway
Vexual: doesn't mean the cook crank
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, don't mirror qntra content please
cazalla: i don't need duplicate content issues from google on top of this ddos shit
Vexual: anyway, you can get arrested for a tshirt here, this shit isn't good
cazalla: Vexual, the guy that owns the cafe owns a stake in the company that shipped the atms in
cazalla: my guess is given bikie and meth links, it was how they cashed out their coins from silk road sales
Vexual: i doubt bikies use silk road
Vexual: irk that fucker has a palm reader
cazalla: right but they control the meth here and obviously the cafe guy was the nerd of the operation
Vexual: well if you have a sucessful cafe and a bitcoin atm in southbank, i doubt you're dealing meth
Vexual: that might not be how they want to to play out
Vexual: perhaps they're right, but it's just really hard to accept when you can get arrested for your tshirt
Vexual: do you know what exchange bit2bit uses?
assbot: New currencies can be used to buy coffee in Brisbane caf from today - ABC Queensland - Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
Vexual: yes, i remember reading the story, i was even thinking about ducking in the for a cafe
Vexual: broker fees were atrocious tho
cazalla: anyway, i found the guys mobile number, maybe i give him a call
Vexual: its a fuckin big arse scoop while youre getting flooded
Vexual: 2 year investigation, i'd give it a week
Vexual: or not, get em out for xmas
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Vexual: isis is taking baghdad
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Vexual: the robocoin qntra articel quite clearly shows a surveilance still, they took all the computers
Vexual: whats the story with moo?
Vexual: im trying to reread the article and i can't
Vexual: whats the story duffer?
Duffer1: lol i have no idea i'm asking you :P
Vexual: i know nothing about moolah
Vexual: and so i dodn't absorb it
Vexual: some fat cunt wuth a beard failed thats all i know
Vexual: hardly souns like news
Vexual: ;;later tel xinxi whats the difference between an expert system and ai?
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
moiety: thanks :] you'll get it when you take me away like you said!
gribble: supa was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 12 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Supa> :D
moiety: fucking cocksucker has been at mine trolling the fuck out of me
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2014 11:06:42; Mexual: imma take moeity to the summit of ben nevis
Vexual: now kids be thinking they can drink whisky
moiety: i can. best one i have ever tried is Robert Burns
moiety: so dont know if this counts
Vexual: well i see no shortdread only tears
moiety: wipe the tears away. no one can see through tears
moiety: i got portal cookie cutters so i'll make portal shortbread
moiety: not bad i just got upset and pissed off today
Vexual: whenever i have a supa peoblem i cook a kangaroo steak to perfection
moiety: those really built kangaroos scare me iono if i could eat one
Vexual: theyre rare in resturants coz theyre hard to cook
Vexual: you won't find it in a resturant
moiety: my morning have been incomplete without them
Vexual: resturants, or kangaroos?
moiety: are they not allowed to have them in restaurants
Vexual: hell yes, but you can do it in a hot pan
moiety: has BB or flaffyminihorse been in this morning
moiety: what do you eat with kangaroo?
Vexual: traditional way is chuck the beast on teh coals and let the fur burn off
Vexual: it's lean as a chech pornstar
moiety: i'd have to ask mircea how lean they were
Vexual: yes that ws presumtious of me
Vexual: but overcooked it becomes too firm
Vexual: and it happens so quickly we dont see it in resturants
Vexual: it's quite unlike any other meat
Vexual: you're quite right with flame grilled
Vexual: you'd jump a duck for some good roo
moiety: do you have it often? is it not pretty expensive
Vexual: theyre al,ost vermin here
cazalla: they need to promote it more
moiety: i heardthere were farms of them for eating?
Vexual: i can't cook it properly, so I don't buy it
cazalla: hello moiety, long time no see
cazalla: it's down again atm though
cazalla: yeah :\ more ddos it seems
moiety: oh, deep joy :/ had that recently but the person wasnt very good, couldnt knock off the site for everyone
moiety: i hope its sorted out soon
cazalla: same, this is the 3rd day of it
moiety: i hope its someone that will get bored and not a rival paying for it
Vexual: i hope resturant learn how to cook roo
Vexual: there ne're was such a meat that bounces back when you get it wrong
Vexual: but with the porper application of flame, that wich is useless becomes delicious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00073915 = 13.5264 BTC [+] {5}
Vexual: who are you affiliated with?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00073804 = 14.6132 BTC [-]
Vexual: surely yor vampish handle allows you to trancend the wot on occasion
Vexual: well, can you say more than three words?
Vexual: 3 words to describe me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00073804 = 4.7973 BTC [-]
lampelina: I'm busy cooking for kakobrekla atm
moiety: i have to go, it was nice to see yous
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assbot: Texas hospital worker who may have handled Ebola victim’s specimen is quarantined on cruise ship in Caribbean - The Washington Post
Vexual: ive got scoille units coming outta my ears
ThickAsThieves: i may have missed it, but is there a plan to reimplement the pankkake blog aggregator and penguirker announcements?
chetty: qntra certainly seems to have provoked a hornets nest
kakobrekla: ;;rate vancleef -1 noise hole. polluting my life through ignore.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: ;;rate [ident vexual] -1 noise hole. polluting my life through ignore.
gribble: Error: You must not give the empty string as an argument.
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot vexual
gribble: Nick 'vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
bounce: does assbot check that on !down?
jurov: i think he isn't in da wot
bounce: so where does his +v come from then? o_O
kakobrekla: he is in the wot under some other name
jurov: assbot should log joins/parts too (even if they are filtered in log by default)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1382 @ 0.00074086 = 1.0239 BTC [+]
bounce: !up events with the gribble id it acted upon
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thestringpuller has changed from 1 to -1.
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <cazalla> same, this is the 3rd day of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00074115 = 8.0415 BTC [+]
bounce: looks like "muxne" then.
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encyption: My E-mail to the NYDFS (This is for you too James Comey)
mod6: ah look at that, moiety came back in for a bit
kakobrekla: ;;rate muxne -1 noise hole. polluting my life through ignore.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user muxne has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18979 @ 0.00074119 = 14.067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encryption: My E-mail to the NYDFS (This is for you too James Comey) : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: here's a tweet if ya wanna rt too twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/523105108650102784
assbot: BitLicense & The Regulation of Encryption (This is for you too James Comey) /EFF /ErikVoorhees /NYDFS /BenLawsky
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assbot: WATCH: Florida's Gubernatorial Debate Gets Off To A Bizarre Start : The Two-Way : NPR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00074212 = 22.9315 BTC [+] {3}
peterl: if nobody else wants to, I could volunteer to set up a blog agregator?
peterl: I guess it wouldn't hurt to have multiple sources?
ben_vulpes: california is apparently notifying water users of "wasteful status"
ThickAsThieves: i can curate it myself with my feed reader, but i also like seeing the links tick in here
assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog
peterl: so you like the bot aspect of it?
peterl: okay, I will see what I can come up with. I wrote a bot once, but it was a very simple thing
ThickAsThieves: so a rough takeaway from your charts, wait 2 years to buy s.qntr ;)
peterl: well, or just put a bid at a low price
mats_cd03: allowing agribusiness to pour water into the ground whilst rationing residential users is mind boggling
mats_cd03: in addition to other retardation like farming in deserts
peterl: I like how Obama went there, spoke about how important it is to conserve water, then played golf on a lush course in the desert
peterl: actually, I don't like it, but it is ironic how he does not even seem to notice the irony
mats_cd03: #b-a is about pc now? musta missed the memo
assbot: U.S. farmers making hay with alfalfa exports to China - LA Times
mats_cd03: aaaand this is why i don't live in california anymore
peterl: where do you live now?
Adlai bids farewell to funemployment
Adlai: don't worry, i'll still waste some of my free time at the yeshiva
Adlai: ben_vulpes: webdev thingies
Adlai: sadly no, python, but the rest of the team aren't too married to python and will probably be open to a saner backend architecture if i stay long enough that it's worth pushing for one
ben_vulpes chants "clojure, clojure" quietly and repeatedly
Adlai has actually never used clj
Adlai: have you used scala?
Adlai: if i had to interoperate with the jvm, i'd try using abcl first
ben_vulpes: i suspect pythongs are going to resist a cl
Adlai: eh the guy said that he likes "more functional stuff than python"
Adlai: and there's a comment in the source code that i've been handed:
Adlai: db.py-# TODO: there has to be a better way of writing this
Adlai: db.py:# or i'm fucking switching to lisp
peterl: is there a list of all the blogs that were on the blogroll?
ben_vulpes: Adlai: from another chan where i've been pounding on about lisp:
ben_vulpes: <******> also lisp is perfect and I have wasted 10 years
Adlai: the problem with "lisp" is that it's a platonic ideal, but each implementation of this ideal falls short in various ways once you hit the real world
ben_vulpes: i think the switching costs from py/whatever -> clojure are a little lower than to the common lisp families
Adlai prefers common lisp but just because that's what he has most experience with
Adlai: what have you built in clojure?
Adlai: and how do you feel about the fact that your language guru is called "rich hickey"
ben_vulpes: various API's, toy BTC tools for myself, a webapp here and there
ben_vulpes: i'm only a member of one cult of personality, and it ain't hickey's
Adlai passes around Hare Krishna books
kakobrekla: <Adlai> ben_vulpes: webdev thingies < btc related?
Adlai: it'll be released within a few weeks, i'm not sure i should blab right now
Adlai: tl;dr: gambling sites
Adlai: it's the backbone of the bitconomy!
Adlai: easier to gamble btc than equity!
ben_vulpes: potential client asked me about my startuplandia cynicism last night
Adlai: illiquid equity is an unfungible gamble, btc can be funged around for other gambles
ben_vulpes: "well you can take your dollar down the 7-11 and buy a Keno ticket, or you can take your LIFE SAVINGS/4 of your best-performing years to the startup roulette wheel..."
ben_vulpes: "also, i got tired of being asked what color my lamborghini was."
Adlai: ipo = liquid equity
ben_vulpes: equity is liquid far in advance of IPOs, if you have enough and know PE.
ben_vulpes: and contracts are structured in equity-holders benefit, and not as a raping tool for VCs.
ben_vulpes: PE will want to see revenues tho, unless the IPO is a juggernaut and the public markets are going to get taken hard.
Adlai: tbh i wasn't offered equity
ThickAsThieves: <+TomServo> ThickAsThieves: Great post. /// Hey, thanks!
diametric: nubbins makes tshirts and stuff right?
assbot: Pink Eye Print Company | screenprinting /// publishing /// design
ben_vulpes: (side note Adlai, clojurescript makes frontend almost endurable)
ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> 'pink eye print' really? /// hey, i remembered it cuz the name!
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: is there a clojure or lisp web framework you would recommend?
assbot: BREAKING: Ebola Scare at the Pentagon | ARLnow.com
ThickAsThieves: "...there have been fewer than 10 confirmed cases in the country. Today President Obama named an “Ebola czar” to help coordinate the federal response to the outbreak threat."
assbot: Chemists Grow Soil Fungus On Cheerios, Discover New Antifungal Compounds - Slashdot
assbot: Democracy and Education in the 21st Century and Beyond: An Interview With Noam Chomsky
Adlai: mircea_popescu: still reading
ThickAsThieves: "You have to improve the institutions responsible for indoctrination of the young. You have to control children. You have to make sure that they're not too free and creative and independent, and it shows up in all sorts of ways."
assbot: Distributed Web of Trust Proposal 2 - My Private Wiki
mircea_popescu: you know it's startying to wear on me this. there's a currently-in-the-process-of-universalizing-itself mode of behaviour of the principal mode of failure of contemporary youth (previously discussed) which consists in essentially... prayer.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: he's paraphrasing a book, i don't think he agrees with that statement himself
mircea_popescu: "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT"
Adlai didn't quite follow
bounce starts the church of bitcoin. you know, like scientology, only with bitcoin instead of bad sf.
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah, just make sure you have a wallet inspector made out of two cans and a string or something.
bounce: mod a robocoin for bitcoin-paid confession taking or something
bounce: a patent on setting printers on fire?
Adlai: "One reason we don't hear anything about [5M killed in the Congo] is because there's very limited official US involvement of the press corps."
ThickAsThieves: i have peterl a list of blawgs to make a new aggregator, i *think* i got everyone
bounce: so you can sue kindergarten science fairs
bounce: "respect mah intellectual propertay!"
Adlai: mircea_popescu: so you mean that the failure mode of contemporary youth is that they pray with their hands instead of their feet?
mircea_popescu: Adlai you readily ignored the (previously discussed) reference and now are making a soup of the statement ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.16759665 BTC to 16`255 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 16:13:23; mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world"
Adlai: oh, i thought you were talking about the chomsky article
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.97748980 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 85 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: to quote the cristina chick, "todo hace juego con todo"
mircea_popescu: course the antioficialismo newspapers are nao calling her paranoid over that impermissible holistic approach.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.92524520 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6540 satoshi per share
assbot: U.S. Soldiers Get Just Four Hours of Ebola Training - The Daily Beast
mircea_popescu: "wear this gear. wash your hands. don't put stuff in your eyes, mouth, asshole"
mircea_popescu: dude i just did 30 seconds ebola training for intelligent people.
ThickAsThieves: “I’ll be honest with you,” one soldier told the newspaper. “I’m kind of scared.”
mircea_popescu: that us soldiers need 14400 seconds seems mildly insulting.
ThickAsThieves: i'm worried this will turn into the thing that traps me in the US forever
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think going awol is probably more of a risk than ebola.
Adlai: ThickAsThieves: are you seriously worried about contracting ebola?
mircea_popescu: well, unless there's a refugee camp with hot sexy 12 year old locals. then all bets are off. Standard UN policy in the matter, as seen in Congo, Haiti, Liberia, Sudan, Burundi etc.
ThickAsThieves: i mean i'm worried this will turn into a whole new CDC that operates like Homeland Security
Adlai: "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself", but sadly that includes other people's fear
mircea_popescu: ah don't worry about that tat. you can always fuck a virgin and you'll be cured. or if not, one can make a proposal and publish it on tumblr.
mircea_popescu: there are so many ways to resolve problems now that we have the social media.
Adlai: it's amazing how the same remedies cure both aids and ebola
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ironically, that's the one thing where it does work.
mircea_popescu: but seriously : this machine which purports to remove freedoms, as if, and replace them with "rights", as if.
mircea_popescu: usg: "you have the right to blablabla" cartman: "fuck you, i do what i want"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00074241 = 10.6907 BTC [+]
Adlai: usg: "respect my authoritah!"
mircea_popescu: wallpapers holy shit, we can't even afford a cascading ss.
mircea_popescu: and the typefaces are from the cheapo bin at the print shop
ThickAsThieves: Ethereum announced they hired new people to make a new website and new 'brand'
mircea_popescu: where are all the people "interested" in lending me some to short ?
mircea_popescu: o, shit, i forgot. all their "investors" never actually existed. ooops.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can write their next update yourself. so can i. if either of us do and we send it to qntra,
Adlai: it's ingenious, you can't short something which doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: no, it would actually be news. inasmuch as we KNOW that's what's going to happen.
Adlai: new word: prophletizing
mircea_popescu: Adlai if you review the log, there was ev en a contract drawn for the purpose. and a bunch of people were gonna participate.
mircea_popescu: how is something that's a fact that idiots don't know anything but news ?
Adlai: prophletizing = making up prophecies for the purpose of prosletizing
ThickAsThieves: sorry mp, just cuz you haz confidence in your ability to predict what predictable will do, doesnt make your predictions news or fact
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do you dispuite the ethereum "money" is already stolen at this point ?
mircea_popescu: seems you don't actually have an argument past empty formalism.
ThickAsThieves: so lets just skip formalities and settle some bitbets now
Adlai can't handle the truth tho
mircea_popescu: yeah well i have scant few of those and nobody seems to like 'em.
Adlai is only here for the hookers and blow
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <moiety> i have to go, it was nice to see yous
Adlai: tl;dr of chomsky's interview: Had the people in the 1950s had been asked, "Do you want your taxes to go to development of the kind of technology that will allow your grandchildren to have iPads or do you want your taxes to go into a livable society? Health care, education, places where people can have decent lives? And so on. What would people have decided? Well, whatever the answer was, they didn't
Adlai: have an answer because they never had a choice.
mircea_popescu: this idea that "people" should have "a choice" is bullshit of the first degree.
mircea_popescu: they had all the choices they can meaningfully have. go to work or don't. read or don't read, beat your wife or don't beat your wife, whatever.
Adlai: eh, i don't think it has to be bullshit, it's just bullshit in the current way government is conducted
Adlai: if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in
mircea_popescu: Adlai we readily agree, provided by "current way government is conducted" you mean "pencil dicks who chiefly need the government to steal from others and give them part of the proceeds as a means of support derp about how to formalise choice"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "the answer was". chomsky conveniently forgets all the problems inherent in FORMALISNG these problems, in speech ?
ThickAsThieves: i gotta agree, if thats the TLDR of Chomsky's thing, it's useless babble at best
mircea_popescu: what is this, senility day, buffett structures his business so as to avoid tax then derps that he pays less than his secretary so his middle management shouild be taxed more
mircea_popescu: and chomsky proposes people be ASKED ?! like how, orally ?
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a horrible drunken philosophy conversation, inventing moments of choice in the past
mircea_popescu: he's not yet come up with a way to ask people how intelligent they are. what the fuck.
Adlai: my takeaway from it is that he's disappointed with how [his] government has mishandled tax money over the past decades, and disappointed in how "intellectuals" have been unable to steer government towards benefitting anybody other than aforementioned pencildicks
mircea_popescu: that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails"
Adlai: although i must say, they're not really pencildicked if they've managed to fool so many people so much of the time
ThickAsThieves: well how can we social media and seo while making important choices about the past?
mircea_popescu: Adlai that's what pencil dicks are : those who attempt to fool people as a means to existence.
Adlai: they're not just attempting though, they're vastly successful at it
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails" /// i like that
Adlai: practically speaking, it doesn't matter if they're pencildicked or horsecocked, they're still raping our children
mircea_popescu: but anyway, alkl this aside, let's put to bed the "if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in" idiocy.
Adlai: well we probably wouldn't call it "government" at that point
mircea_popescu: the solution is to remove all the means to choice from the mass.
Adlai: we'd just call it "that company that handles my health insurance", or "that company that pays the garbage guy"
mircea_popescu: they shouldn't have money, or the vote, or for that matter be able to read at all.
mircea_popescu: they should find a master when old enough to interest anyone, and live thus, as slaves.
ThickAsThieves: even a 12-person board can ruin a company led by a masterful ceo
Adlai was toying the other day with an alternate world where everybody is born into indentured servitude, but can buy their way to freedom once they've saved up enough
mircea_popescu: Adlai something like that, but not exactly money based.
mircea_popescu: when enough people trust you (people!!! not fucktards/slaves) you emancipate.
Adlai: In Time was a fantastically bad execution of an interesting idea
Adlai googles black mirror
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is this the one with the cubical universe ?
Adlai: yes it's well-produced, lots of effects and sexy young actors. still a terrible movie.
mircea_popescu: some guy saves up and gives some chick his credits, she ends up bullied into pronz ?
mircea_popescu: that should probably be redone, but with a sexploitation cast and perhaps tarantino in charge.
Adlai: and please, a better ending
Adlai: i'm fine with open ended philosophical movies having open ended philosophical endings
Adlai: but action movies should have an ending that ends, period
Adlai: no, you just have to beg for food in a different irc channel
Adlai: isn't currency just a fungible trust system though?
assbot: over 50 hours to sync localy Issue #3953 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
Adlai: is it binary? how would you quantify it?
ThickAsThieves: "This is well known, but swearing won't do anything except insult people and elicit responses like: If you think you can do better then do better."
mircea_popescu: "it drops local connections like a whore that's lost her crack pipe. something is badly broken and needs to be fixed urgently."
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> In Time was a fantastically bad execution of an interesting idea // pretty much
assbot: Linux kernel swear counts
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: clojure's mostly libs, less frameworks. the stack we use is
http-kit for serving web apps, and datomic on postgres for data persistence.
Adlai: Apocalyptic: yes, timberlake and seyfried iirc
ben_vulpes: for API's we use liberator, which neatly takes all of the functions in a namespace and turns them into rest-y endpoints
mike_c: "Not the place for neither profanity nor a discussion on profanity."
mike_c: hm.. "just do what i say and stfu"
mike_c: my ass, not my asshole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00074241 = 16.1103 BTC [+]
Adlai: "kiss my cheek" :* "no the other one"
mike_c: we should get this ivan frimmel guy in here, i like the way he yells at bitcoin devs.
mike_c: on the other hand, he's all over the bfl forums
ThickAsThieves: “If people use bitcoin in a lazy, easily censorable way where they are reusing addresses – which were always intended to be one-time in the design of the system – then this creates a serious systemic risk in that someone might try to order nodes, developers, and/or miners to censor the system.” ~Maxwell
mircea_popescu: incredible the sheer amount of slime bitcoin attracts, jesus.
assbot: Two Male Strippers Quarantined After Sitting Near Ebola Nurse on Plane
mircea_popescu: not even sure there's enough bile in the world to wash it all away
assbot: Time For A False Rape Accuser Registry | Chateau Heartiste
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and i'm sure he's saying "here, this is the registry i made, contribute"
mircea_popescu: rather than the castrated "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT"
ThickAsThieves: so it's basically a list of women that are safe to rape?
mircea_popescu: but then he'd be stuck quoting trilema instead of pretending like he's his own thing, so...
assbot: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems
mircea_popescu: "IMO developments since March show that the concerns put forward then
mircea_popescu: were well-founded. Following discussions elsewhere including -devel I
mircea_popescu: have received enough offers of seconds by private email."
mircea_popescu: the only thing certain in this world is the death of governments.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00074039 = 12.3645 BTC [-] {3}
Adlai: mircea_popescu: thank you for recommending a tv series which i can finish in a single weekend
mats_cd03: i am curious what percentage of eth is recycled USG cents and duped chumps
mats_cd03: i know a few doods that 'invested' in eth because 'its a good idea' and 'i want to hedge if it becomes huge'
mats_cd03: exposure to doods is inevitable on irc :(
Adlai: ah lol your nicks are the same length
Adlai: thank you ThickAsThieves :)
ThickAsThieves: it was actually recommended to me by someone else here, and then when i watched it, i realized i had already seen it when it aired
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 exposure to kids that make all sorts of claims, of having banged a bunch of chicks, of having bought a bunch of fish etc idem.
ThickAsThieves: check out The Fades too if you like creepy stuff Adlai
mircea_popescu: Adlai are you one of those unfortunate souls that prefers to watch than to read ?
mircea_popescu: can i be an asshole just this once and bother people ?
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: thank you, this looks like a sane version of the node/mongo stack, I’ll dig in
Adlai: i'd actually rather read, which is why i don't like tv series that last for dozens of hours
Adlai: HIMYM and BrBa were great for wasting hours in the army but i try and waste time productively these days
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: there's really not much similarity between js/lisp and mongo/datomic
ben_vulpes: lisp is lisp and datomic is a persistant prologish fact store with time built in
mircea_popescu: is this the one with the old guy chemist that joins some derpy kid and they make meth ?
Adlai: it's a good show, as far as shows go
mats_cd03: i had a burger today with grass fed beef fried in beer batter with bacon and spicy mayo
mats_cd03: im probably going to have a stroke next year but s'ok
mats_cd03: i also had a side of poutine with pork belly
Adlai: yeah, you're fucked
assbot: Sources: SEC Investigation of "Alex Green" Underway - Coin Fire
ThickAsThieves: "On October 9th Coin Fire received information from a source inside the US SEC that Moopay LTD along with seven other cryptocurrency companies were under active investigation for unregistered securities in the cryptocurrency world. "
ThickAsThieves: "On October 10th, we received a second confirmation of the information and an updated list showing that several companies while under active investigation have been placed on the back burner so that forensic accountants brought in from the IRS and other federal agencies to begin combing through the information."
Adlai: my uncle used to work at the SEC
mircea_popescu: "Coin Fire was first made aware of this investigation on October 14th but officials with the SEC and the Department of Justice actively informed our editorial team to not jeopardize current investigations. However, as new information has come to light and a third source stepped forward with further information our editors now feel compelled to begin publishing information."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074065 = 4.1476 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so are they waiting for late tax filings to go after people?
Adlai: had lunch with him a few weeks ago, he's very curious about all this decentralized stuff, in the best kind of curiosity
Adlai: wtf is "forensic accounting"
Adlai: forensics should involve test tubes and blood, not sifting through numbers
ThickAsThieves: forensic accounting is finding evidence to support your pre-determined conclusion
mircea_popescu: so basically this thing reads to me like, "we've read about this on reddit, here's a re-narration of events that makes us sound important"
ben_vulpes: oh guys guys i found the worst thing ever
mircea_popescu: the sec can try all sorts of things, but why would it talk to some derpy nobody snipping at the edges is unclear.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is all mp butthurt, next the twobit idiot is going to want to claim "o noes, teh sec is talking to me in my sleeps!!1"
mircea_popescu: and so it goes, 2015 will be the year of that set of lolz.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, to revisit that yest discussion : THIS isn't news.
Adlai: i hope it's more successful than the "year of multisig"
Adlai: ben_vulpes: why do you do this to my tender mind
ThickAsThieves: that SEC gave a shit about moolah and 7 companies are under investigation and SEC tries to tell people to shut up
Adlai: are the SEC targeting Moolah for being scammy shysters, or just for running an unregistered business?
mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.
☟︎ Adlai was actually pleased about the SEC investigating pirate's scam
mircea_popescu: then watch the adjustments, retractions and "taking of full responsibilities" come pouring in.
mircea_popescu: devthedev im not voicing you, because last time i did you linkbombed and i dun see the benefit.
assbot: The Lino framework — The Lino framework
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> ben_vulpes: why do you do this to my tender mind << welcome to assets
assbot: The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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gribble: Current Blocks: 325751 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 840 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35874185573.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.4904
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326825.17 in 74 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.60
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 956.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.79 TH/s
TheNewDeal: this an accurate translation, or is it butchered by AI - Wittgenstein , " Whereof one can not speak, thereof one must be silent
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Adlai: sometimes fixing merge conflicts can be therapeutic
ben_vulpes: seeing merge conflicts in client code makes me more comfortable with my rates
ThickAsThieves: tol, what qntra was simply a private news site, and you had to buy subscription and be in wot to have IPs cleared
jurov: and dns is still cached here
assbot: President Obama's Credit Card Was Declined
devthedev: Ha, Obama: 'No really, I think that I’ve, uh, been paying my bills.’
ThickAsThieves: yknow what, fuck any website that embeds Gravity ad widgets
bounce: huh. so, to combat fraud they're going to heap even more sensitive personal information in some database or other
devthedev: mircea_popescu: I agree that the Gravity ad platform is retarded but what's wrong with Disqus?
bounce: disqus has its tentacles everywhere and is a steaming heap of slow js
ThickAsThieves: i kinda like the disqus concept tbh, i wish there was a bitcoin/namecoin/wot version
mircea_popescu: same thing that's wrong with cloudflare, and with all the rest of the crap ruining the web
bounce: one namecoin per comment please
mircea_popescu: bounce no, better yet. "the MTA has turned off comments on blogs because reasons"
ThickAsThieves: i have no power over whether i cna comment on a website regardless
bounce: $site will just 403 anyone coming in on tor because the spamblocking system on the commenting system doesn't take half measures
ThickAsThieves: ok but i meant to highlught the concept of having a crypto version tho
mircea_popescu: i could see if it centralized in my own hands. but centralizing it in the hands of the enemies of everything that's nice and good in this world, the ycombinator crowd ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah sure fuk whoever at disqus think sthey can get money outta the arrangement
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so then you like the concept for everything the concept isn't ?
ThickAsThieves: the concept of a spec'd way to comment on websites with one account?
ThickAsThieves: maybe of a way to auth on any website with one account?
bounce: didn't we already have a sackton of "SSO" trickery for websites?
ThickAsThieves: well we have ebough of centralized evil SSO, yeah probly
mircea_popescu: i still don't see what's the advantage of "go everywhere with an identity provided by a 3rd party"
ThickAsThieves: the advantage is keychaining a lifestyle that uses 10 3rd parties as is
mircea_popescu: sure, it saves you from interacting with various people. which, you know, if that's the goal why are you commenting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't this eminently a local config issue tho ? give people scripts to just do it locally.
ThickAsThieves: in the current sense, yes, but if decentralized wouldnt it be a way to purposefully maintain a continuity in your online identity?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves my point being that this is something you solve client side not server side.
mircea_popescu: "some people connect to internet through brooms, or try to" ?!
ThickAsThieves: like adding password keychain to the bitcoin wallet app
bounce: so you're saying that dumbing down and appliancification breeds more of same
mircea_popescu: there's no advantage to trying to hide hardware deffects in software
ThickAsThieves: if you can auth into the wallety you can auto log into wherever using the bitcoin web browser
mircea_popescu: quite the contrary, such a programming paradigm is immoral.
bounce: fixing that is going to be expensive though. means rebuilding lots of stuff from the ground up. n'mind that the current tide is that of "oh we'll fix it in software nohow"
mircea_popescu: bounce last i heard, the usg was throwing money into the street because "gotta spend"
bounce: nothing ended up here. could use a bit of bezzle. say, to build a harder-to-snoop phone.
mircea_popescu: see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it"
mircea_popescu: mysteriously, "everything" they do never includes a "we wil spend one trillion dollars to fix our software-hardware. all of it."
mircea_popescu: try that, see who hates you then. but no, they';ve tried "everything" : banged head on wall, sat on hot stove, kicked shin against all corners.... nothing in this house works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25288 @ 0.00074053 = 18.7265 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit. war on drugs, poverty, people far away that don't like us and think we're stupid...
mircea_popescu: unlike the foregoing, these ARENT rules of the fucking world.
bounce: don't need a war either. just bring together the means.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17937 @ 0.00073944 = 13.2633 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that dude. when they wanted to send a guy to the moon they didn't give gm "the contract"
bounce: some bezzle, gather together the people that can do the block-building, ship'em off to shenzen, open-source the results
mircea_popescu: if they had, the soviets would still be a thing, painting the moon red
bounce: that's some seriously ambitious necrophilia
mircea_popescu: my words! they has been taken out of context! and given unforeseen boners!
mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's why the entire "press" derped and ocasionally still derps about kennedy = us royalty. becauise that guy was the last us president to go "fuck you, do something useful with your time"
bounce: plenty people to do work in this world
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o yes it does. let's take the smallest part of it.
mircea_popescu: "i want a complete report on every tcp/ip implementation out there. by hand. line by line comparison of all versions ever made"
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? anecdotic agreement by wizard x with wizard y is not how you fly to the moon.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller is the watchdog of democracy over here.
bounce: every time one flies out you conclude you're safe now
mircea_popescu: you don't understand the network effects. once the entire fucking country is engrossed in throwing chattel around,
mircea_popescu: people start fucking listening to people who have better solutions.
mircea_popescu: this is what government does : it provides a base. it doesn't provide solutions
mircea_popescu: it provides good fucking reasons for people to come up with solutions, and right now.
mircea_popescu: anything as long as it's not throwing more pigs around.
mircea_popescu: no it won't. how long do you think people can spend reading shitty c/c++ tcp/ip implementations before they give up their idiocy like the plague ?
mircea_popescu: the only reason it even exists atm is because nobody's forcing anyone to read it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, suppose your job for the next ten years, and you know this, now, is to read 29 different turds and report.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you just forget about it, hit the bottle, and then write a proper fucking thing ?
thestringpuller: no just annoyed i can't get legit information because hooligans are butthurt
mircea_popescu: let's try the great patriotic war, maybe that's a better knob. so... is that also a "doesn't decompose" sort of task ?
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the war didn't work like, one day there was a zhukov, and he went hey, what if we had the germans attack us, so they i could be really cool ?
mircea_popescu: on the contrary. the way it worked was that the germans attacked, stalin commited, and a zhukov emerged.
mircea_popescu: out of a million slaughtered, lanky, blonde russian kids.
mircea_popescu: these may be arguments, maybe, but they're not arguments for your side here.
mircea_popescu: if you ask the us, it does "plenty of investment" today too.
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mircea_popescu: the motherfucking point of leadership is to provide... leadership. wow!
mircea_popescu: to say "by the end of the decade - man on moon" is substantially different from "hey, we're spending some moneys on some things"
bounce: you're talking about the "have a vision" part
mircea_popescu: it'd definitely fix the us problem, which is a purely credibility problem.
mircea_popescu: if the obola was out there, "by the end of this decade we will have actually functional computers, this shit is ridiculous"
bounce: which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there
mircea_popescu: he could again borrow as much as he could possibly spend.
mircea_popescu: bounce duh. yes, to have leadership one requires leadership.
bounce: yes, duh, but *looks around at various governments* apparently not so duh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude. her fuhrer had people do a) rocketry. b) airplanes powered by hydrazine ; c) rommel in africa looking for the holy grail
bounce sets mode +strangelove on user asciilifeform for channel #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it" <<
bounce: it's a bit morisette on the scale of irony though
mircea_popescu: <bounce> which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there <<< also don't neglect the ever essential part that someone somewhere may call you a cult leader!
mircea_popescu: plus, all sorts of special interest groups will be infairly umpacted or something.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing. <<< all the skills needed to drive carriages, honed at the significant expense of sweat and often blood by the original wells fargo corporation
mircea_popescu: all the music that didn't fit notation, developed at huge cost of time during times of frequent famine ... gone
mircea_popescu: well that's the extend of the discussion. what's stopping mr "nobel prize" from being it ?
mircea_popescu: whatever it is, he ain't it. that's why people object. not because he's black, and not just because he's stupid.
mircea_popescu: dude, who asked kennedy if he inherited the best throne he could have ?
mircea_popescu: there is no situation fubar enough as to render leadership powerless.
thestringpuller: is it just me or am I seeing more commercials with banks introducing "p2p payments"
mircea_popescu: how about napoleon ? better string of predecessors pissing away throne could scarcely be devised.
thestringpuller: i.e. you send someone money via email or something with their app
undata: anyone that wants to innovate socially might have to get off earth to do so
undata: that's what I was poorly articulating yesterday, thinking it unlikely that one could either hide from or commandeer the vast pile of weapons and thugs manning them
undata: I think they'll always have them.
undata: spaceflight gives you the option of "stupidly far away"
undata: mircea_popescu: the leaders (obama) you're decrying are vetted by the guys on the pile of weapons
mircea_popescu: the proposition that space flight creates somehow independence.
mircea_popescu: how the shit is this supposed to work ? if you don't have the ability to control anything, how are you going to own the industrial processes makin space flight possible ?
ThickAsThieves: pretty much amounts to, if i could be a god on another planet, everything would be my way
mircea_popescu: the most loyal subjects of each european crown were the respective colonies. for fucking centuries.
mircea_popescu: because well... it's a colony. it depends on its mother.
mircea_popescu: and if there were some guys on a pile of weapons somewhere, who then could vet anything,
mircea_popescu: they'd come up with something a little better than derpobama.
mircea_popescu: only crowdsourcing can explain this level of fuming stupidity, i'm affraid.
undata: he makes no important decisions
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "fix the computers" thing is just a random example.
mircea_popescu: week ago we were discussing the "iraq will be the 51st us state"
mircea_popescu: also a project. there's no shortage of projects, it's not like you can either pick "go to moon" or nothing.
bounce was just thinking, a real crisis tends to bring out the real leadership (if available). then so there's people like the skull+bones fraternity that believe the people are happiest when there's something to fight for, so they promote perpetual war(s on stuff) (and gotten the likes of dubya on the throne). and, well, the people're getting sick of it because weak leadership.
mircea_popescu: which is why i said earlier, why;d the gunpile be integral.
ThickAsThieves: which is why when real leadership is needed for ebola, obama stepped aside and appointed a czar
jurov has an idea to "fix the computers".. just put together a fund to become highest bidder for botnets
jurov: immediately after,buying, issue rm -rf /
bounce: the likes of redmond could do that, plenty cash. instead they're abusing the legal system with ex partes
bounce: the wired news rehash yesterday about no-ip.com
mircea_popescu: bounce no, my point is, the likes of popescu. mircea popescu. the likes of redmon ? redmond who ?
undata: ThickAsThieves: the above was more like "when a new continent is found, the new inhabitants sometimes try things a bit differently in regards to government"
undata: s/new/inhabited by people who are no match/
mircea_popescu: undata for my curiosity, be a darling and narrate the boston tea party ?
Adlai thinks DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
mircea_popescu: well whatever you think, you're not thinking as person, therefore not a sovereign, therefore nevermind.
bounce throws a chair into the discussion
Adlai is thinking as a drunk
Adlai: drunks are people too!
assbot: Flaite apaleado en la micro (Concepcin) 2014 - YouTube
mthreat: a failed thief on a bus in Chile.
mthreat: bus driver locks him in and beats him with a bat
mthreat: as he drives him to the police station
mthreat: instead, they make them national heroes
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: i haz a post i wanna give them dibs on <<< if you've posted it to your own site, i don't see much point in qntra mirroring it
undata: mircea_popescu: prized import destroyed by angry colonists not wanting the "over there" making decisions "over here" without their involvement
undata: tea act, taxation/representation, etc
cazalla: i gave you a retweet though TaT
bounce: "NGOs" doesn't take an apostrophe, btw
mthreat: I thought it was "I'm fucking matt damon"
mthreat: if it's referring to the sarah silverman skit
ThickAsThieves: there goes my cred of getting retweets from my serious blog article earlier!
BingoBoingo: Also pancake to go on rabbit's head when on your head ThickAsThieves
assbot: /coinbase does charles "coblee" lee's autism make him difficult to work with at the office?
assbot: Europes Hidden Ebola Cases - The Daily Beast
cazalla: that's me ThickAsThieves , don't be racist
assbot: Slavery : the best thing for you. No, seriously. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: ninja_alt +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24908 @ 0.00073967 = 18.4237 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: I'm fucking Matt Damon - YouTube
assbot: Ethereum ASIC-resistant PoW spec - Google Docs
Adlai: All algorithms are defined via Python code in order to… provide a working implementation… This function will not be fully written here
Adlai: "this function is left as an exercise to the sucker"
mircea_popescu: "guys, i have a great idea for a thing. here it is : function greatidea(); <stuff> return;"
undata: masters write the function headers, slaves implement
mircea_popescu: that's how the function names end up being _____BgFkShit___1()
kakobrekla: i use impossibly long function and var names when im coding pissed off.
BingoBoingo: undata: No, he just pads with FUFUFUFUFUFUFUUFUFUFUFUFU
mircea_popescu: "your honor, his entire plan of terrorism can be read as function headers"
jurov: kakobrekla rot13 all identifiers
kakobrekla: its not about making it unreadable but more of french cursing inspiration leaking in
undata: that means they're secret
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00073851 = 12.8131 BTC [-]
assbot: LibreSSL 2.1.0 Released
jurov: use google translator then
assbot: Tommy Lee - The Roast of Pamela Anderson - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0007382 = 15.9451 BTC [-] {3}
TheNewDeal: Boring when it's all down, at least from my pov
assbot: GP records soon wide open again: Just walk into a safe haven The Register
bounce: sensitive personal details thrown out in public? surely there can be no argument against that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a possible explanation : flying the whole thing relieves the family of the cost to fly a corpse (20-30k or so)
Adlai: shit yes why are corpses so expensive to fly
Adlai: can't they just fly coach like a normal person
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00073934 = 8.0588 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's like 1/4 ton with all the lead required etc.
bounce: why yes, disease affects the person; information about the disease can do the same thing again, and again, and again. so throwing it out for all to see isn't something doctors typically did, and when it inadvertedly happens, it's a big scandal. so the government elevating "sharing" medical details to the new standard just because they went all digital is a bit of a deviation from custom.
mircea_popescu: bounce how far does this extend ? the fact that i know you're fair haired gives me the power to say "blondie"
mircea_popescu: in short : everything worth talking about "affects the person"
bounce: the fact that your insurer knows you've been ill lately gives them the power to raise their rates on you
bounce: it's a subversion from how insurance is supposed to work
bounce: as such, an abuse of power
mircea_popescu: you are objectively more expensive to insure. reflecting this in the cost of insurance is a subversion ?
mircea_popescu: that way insurers won';t be able to tell the difference in flood insurance between kansas and louisiana
mircea_popescu: what's left of people after 70 years of selection for derpitude.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00073805 = 11.8088 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he doesn't know the juicy details that fate was held as more powerful than zeus.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance
Adlai: modern western society is pretty much cannibalistic
mircea_popescu: there's insurance, which makes sense, if events happen discretely converting them into a continuous stream is useful.
Adlai: drinking sweat is just a more palpable form of eating meat
mircea_popescu: then there's sociaism, which makes no sense (average out nonscalar values)
mircea_popescu: now these may be used synonymously, but this misuse speaks only to the idiocy of the user.
mircea_popescu: (as to the first part, bitcoin mining is EXACTLY insurance, as a mechanism. it turns a string of discrete events (blocks found) into a practically continuous stream of services (hashes))
Adlai: that's an interesting way of looking at it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the earlier discussion about iq, say, in the recent days.
Adlai always thought of pool operators as selling insurance to miners... but are miners collectively selling insurance to nonminers?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, take five people, pretend they're all the same, insure the lot.
mircea_popescu: same thing as discussing "average iq" or other similar insanities born out of an inability to statistics.
mircea_popescu: doubt it tho, the house edge naturally trails the quality of prediction.
Adlai mutters something about decentralization, no houses no edges
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the REASON insurance in the us is so expensive, is exactly the nonsense noise and crap induced in the calculations by the socialist legislation.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the market, if left alone instead of forced to "not abuse power" or w/e it's called, would push them to what can be borne on volatility
bounce: you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions.
Adlai: someday, human life will get a little less overvalued
bounce: so what is the value and the valuation of a human life?
mircea_popescu: <bounce> you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions. << i do not agree.
mircea_popescu: this is the communal view, based on a cooperative of the poor.
mircea_popescu: but insurance is a financial matter, based on the wealth of the rich.
bounce: the rich don't need insurance, they can pay the disaster out of the way out of pocket.
undata: bounce: they're betting against each other with it
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune
Adlai: bounce: i don't know what it's worth exactly, but just listening to everybody's fearbabble and the taboo against suicide suggest that it's way overvalued these days
mircea_popescu: this is why the trading states (historical la serenissima, others) benefited so much from rich people in their midst. it creates stability, when there';s a guy with a large fortune capable to make specific statements about the future.
mircea_popescu: "the odds of this crop failling are 1%, pay me a dime get a ducat if your crop fail"
undata: if I'm willing to provide you insurance, I'm giving you useful information about my assessment of your risk-level
mircea_popescu: "if you can't insure it don't do it" is how it goes on ws.
bounce: you don't need an external rich party to provide insurance; you can create your own. all you need is enough people with the same problem.
mircea_popescu: bounce sure. you can also go to the moon by pulling on your underwear
mircea_popescu: enough people with the same problem construct a large problem, not a solution.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are things that should be emin ently insurable in bounce's paradigm of insurance
bounce: look. fire insurance. over some area 2% of the houses burn down every year. so you insure against that by gathering a goodly bunch of house owners and they contribute 2% of their own house's rebuilding value to the pot, plus a little extra to cover administration. instant rich party to cover houses burning down.
mircea_popescu: just because insurance co-ops exist doesn't mean they're anything important you know.
bounce: well, they work a lot better than trying to go to the moon your way
mircea_popescu: you can't emulate a rich man by getting 100 poor idiots to donate a dime.
mircea_popescu: this is actually better discussed in an old article, lemme find it.
bounce: you can pot up the risk, which is the function of the rich man in the narrative
assbot: Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: the relevant part : "Ca sa ne intelegem mai bine : Ion e un copchil sarac si cam prost dintr-un cartier amarit din ceva orasel indistinct. Intr-o zi, Mircea cel Rau vine pe-acolo cu treaba, se aseaza-n bar cu cele doua catele ghemuite la picioare si bea un rom ceva. Fetele din cartieru’ respectiv, din dragoste de patrie (in exemplu’ nostru cartieru’ respectiv) il iau pe sus pe Ion, il aseaza la masa de vis-a-vis
mircea_popescu: si i se ghemuiesc la picioare si ele, ca alelalte. Ele sigur nu-s sclave, n-au nici antrenamentu’ nici priceperea nici pina la urma nevoile si structurile relatiei respective, acasa nu le-asteapta coloane de marmura, gradini unde apa susura printre chiparosi si havuzuri din care irumpe martipan ci peretii goi de beton, carpeta cu rapirea din serai si noptiera de placaj ramasa de la strabuna cu plosnite cu tot. Da’
mircea_popescu: indiferent de toate aceste aspecte, ele joaca un rol ca sa sustina o teorie : ca si la noi aici in cartieru’ curului avem chestii fine, si-un Ion care chiar daca-i numa’ din trei litere totusi e la fel de bun ca orice sef venit din zari.
mircea_popescu: Ei, asta-i patriotismul, fetele din exemplu dau dovada de “dragoste de cartier”, si asta-i chestia pe care s-a construit Romania socialista daca sunteti curiosi, o structura de altfel imprumutata de la Romania carlista. Totul pentru patrie!"
mircea_popescu: ie, john is a poor but stupod kid from some downtown ghetto in some derpy town. one day, mircea the evil comes there on business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches cuddling at his feet and drinks a rum or something
mircea_popescu: the girls in the ghetto, for love of their fatherland, pick up john, sit him down at the table opposite and cuddle at his feet, just like the others.
mircea_popescu: they are not slaves, have not the training, nor the skill nor in the end the needs or structures of that relationship.
mircea_popescu: but irrespective of all this, they play a role to support a theory, and that theory is "we too".
mircea_popescu: a guy with one million one dollar bills collected from his fellow nobodies is not a millionaire. he's a dangerously overpowered representative of the mob.
undata: complicated way to say that the primary role of the rich guy is dispensing his capital-allocating wisdom, if I follow
mircea_popescu: undata well, could be summarized thus. moreover, what it's saying is that capital allocating wisdom can not be faked by merely collecting capital.
bounce: good thing insurance co-ops only have one thing to do
undata: bounce: yes if you define it broadly
mircea_popescu: soon enough they're out there supporting causes and underwriting bonds with gs and stuff.
mircea_popescu: then the town is bankrupt suddenly, and everyone wonders
undata: bounce: how does the thing know when to pay out?
bounce: that would appear to be the rub, yes. pension funds and "financial products" and whatnot
bounce: you ask for the insurance administrator to hop by and observe your freshly burned-out house
undata: I'll admit I've never thought of insurance as such a central component of economics
mircea_popescu: bounce because mircea the evil can and will tell everyone to go fuck himself with a rolled up newspaper, among other things. because it's his motherfucking million.
undata has been in the bit mines too long
mircea_popescu: but co-ops are just co-ops. no owner, no sovereign, no hope and no future.
bounce: small ones that stick to their shtick can work pretty well
bounce: big ones with ambitions... oh dear. that's the ones with their fingers in medical records.
bounce: actually that doesn't have to be the case. some do pay back the excess and stay small.
mircea_popescu: but my argument is : just because your john is an idiot, itdoes not follow you now have license to make a rule as to what mircea the evil can or can not do with his slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: and similarly, arguing that insurance can't see the maps of the land because you want to have coops of idiots in insurance is nonsensicla.
bounce: that's your argument, and it's not the problem
bounce: the problem is that they're making the maps so detailed as to follow every single thing on there, real-time. not areas, single persons.
bounce: that has nothing to do with making statistics work for you and everything with squeezing every single chump
mircea_popescu: well thereabouts : if i live in a neighbourhood where flood is 10% yearly, but because of where exactly my house is my chances are 2.3%
bounce: I don't follow. did that guy know that would happen in that case?
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mircea_popescu: and more importantly, what licenses you to make this call.
bounce: plenty governments make that call, and even take away your ability to opt out of insurance altogether.
mircea_popescu: we are, as a species, the results of that house surviving, you know.
undata: bounce: you're saying the government knows better than the hurricane?
bounce: no? 'sides, making the call without a clue is something governments do all the time
mircea_popescu: Load Averages: 0.00 0.00 0.00 <<< now listen cazalla, you'd better get moving with that qntra thing nao!!1
bounce: though anyway, the point of applying statistics in insurance is exactly because you don't know who's gonna get hit, you only know larger-scale numbers. even so, with this you can mitigate disaster to manageable proportions. that's why it exists.
undata: bounce: if we all pile into the grenade together, some of us will survive!
Adlai: dinosaurs didn't fail though...
undata: maybe I'm smart enough to avoid them entirely
undata goes back to shoveling python
Adlai: humans are but a genetic cross between mammals and reptiles
undata: bounce: example, I'm a small biz owner and in my 20s
undata: due to the recent US healthcare laws, I'm expected to subsidize the old and infirm
undata: and receive virtually no actual insurance for my trouble
bounce: ``Tooth and Claw is the easiest of my books to summarize. It's a sentimental Victorian novel in which all the characters are dragons who eat each other. If that sounds appealing, you'll like it. If not, then probably not.''
mircea_popescu: undata that's a different story tho. some allowance will have to be made for people who worked in one system, if you change it to another system,
mircea_popescu: or in other words : someone's going to be stuck with the old and the infirm no matter how you work it out.
cazalla: "..which included a fingerprint scanner and camera, downloaded images of users' bitcoin identification cards." << where do i get one of these?
bounce: the usg thing is a layer cake of fail. but yes, you'll end up with /some/ subsidizing in any such system. over the long run you'll have been young, subsidizing the old, and old, mooching off of the young both.
undata: I wouldn't mind seeing the last few generations of americans starve, though.
undata: bounce: families should do that
cazalla: mircea_popescu, qntra editor needs his breakfast before the day begins
mircea_popescu: undata note that this isn't a matter of should, but of does.
undata: nobody in mine needs it, but if they did, the younger generation could float them
bounce: if you live in a house for a hundred years, it never burned down, you paid its rebuilding value (given the 2%) twice over. is that a loss? or a win, after al, the house didn't burn down.
mircea_popescu: undata sure, but that's not really a societal response.
mircea_popescu: bounce a properly built house doesn't "Burn down" anyway.
mircea_popescu: nobody in romania has heard of or could imagine the point of "a sprinkler system"
undata: mircea_popescu: so pragmatically, what to do with the useless?
bounce: the really young (and thus families with young kids) also are a drain.
mircea_popescu: at least, not until the idiot westerners came in to build "offices" and "supermarkets"
bounce: so that's the problem. youse houses be just too good!
undata: box them in soviet apartments
mircea_popescu: undata not just. houses too, if you build brick walls on concrete pillars... wtf is going to burn ?
bounce: ceaucescu did a lot of building, too, wasn't it?
bounce: hm yeah still often quite a bit of wood. floors, roof holding up the tiles, that sort of thing
chetty: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo all plastics burn, more or less./usually with a lot of toxic smoke
mircea_popescu: like you know, telephone poles. you ever seen a charred old pole, from a lightning strike ?
bounce: concrete'll burn, if the fire getting it going is hot enough. or whatwasit, turn back into quicklime and whatever else they put in it
mircea_popescu: not about yourself lmao, who the fuck gives a shit about yourself ? and you least of all!
assbot: Fire effects on concrete
undata: mircea_popescu: so you're going to keep the Freen0deAdmins as pets?
undata: the huddled useless masses I'm paying insurance for, and who are going to receive unburnable housing
undata: the fantasy for me goes something like emperor Musk establishing space stations throughout the asteroid belt for mining
undata: he takes me with him to uh... build space roobas or something, and the rest are left on earth which at that point is one big venezuela
undata: but I am sure he's covered
BingoBoingo: Ben Fox is usually the person with signal on this issue
undata: pow, right in the manhood
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm a sporting man. i like to lay the occasional bet.
BigBitz: what are we betting on? :)
undata: look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation
mircea_popescu: undata you know there's worse things than being a chick.
BigBitz: has the Hawaii chick been to space yet?
BigBitz: I'd rather be a chick than a cat, that's for sure.
BigBitz: undata you know if you show tits that mircea_popescu will give you coin.
gribble: You have not yet rated user undata
mircea_popescu: ;;rate undata "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"
gribble: Error: "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation" is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate undata 1 "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BigBitz: not even in WoT and someone +v her.
BigBitz: I bet she has multiple cats. ffs.
undata: mircea_popescu: I am also trinque
undata: mircea_popescu: apparently wine makers at some point
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate trinque 1 "<undata> look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trinque has been recorded.
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BigBitz: I didn't interview, a friend asked me some information, I told him... ummJackson wasn't to allow CCN to use it.
BigBitz: thestringpuller got a link?
BigBitz: did they at least use the message I signed -- and made a typo in. Sigh.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz hey, wanna give an interview to BingoBoingo about how it sucks to be "interviewed" and so forth ?
BigBitz: Since you ask so nicely, how could I not?!
assbot: New Sources Verify Bitcoin Exchange Moolah CEO Alex Green's Former Scammer Identity
BingoBoingo: It turns out no actual news happened while we were being DDOS'd so nothing else to cover
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 17:29:41; mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.
jurov: all scammers were too busy ddosing
mircea_popescu: jurov if this is not only a pathetic effort, but a CROWDSOURCED pathetic effort ...
BigBitz: I like how they called my Anonymous.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you know, hooligans is what ceausescu called the dudes that shot him.
mircea_popescu: resulting in a song, quite popular at the time, "mai bine huligan decit dictator", "better off a hooligan than a dictator"
mircea_popescu: it tellingly ends with a "better off dead than communist"
assbot: Imnul golanilor - YouTube
jurov: well, that's my proposal for qntra article: "Qntra was under DDoS sustained for 3 days. Ther was no newsworthy scam activity in bicoinland during this time."
jurov: gimme my 30 shares
bounce: bylines pay double, right? right?
thestringpuller: i don't understant though fully. If hooligans have access to botnets and can't monetize them, why don't they rent them out for people to attack other people?
BigBitz: thestringpuller should I get a manager?
BigBitz: you're not poor, I know that much.
undata: the risk is they take your women...
BigBitz: bots, women, interchangeable for mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: you know the story about how they kidnapped that chick, sent a ransom note,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and the response came that "i might take that much to take her off your hands" ?
thestringpuller: if cop dramas portraying kidnapping were real, I'd think that'd be in the media more often.
thestringpuller: "We want 1 mn for her safe return." "No thx. You did me a favor kthxbai."
thestringpuller: it's like that chappelle joke about how terrorist never take black hostages
thestringpuller: "We have 3 hostages. They are black. Hello? Hello? They hung up."
assbot: Dave Chapelle: why terrorists won't take black people as hostage - YouTube
assbot: Bitcoin in Uganda - Empowering People - YouTube
BigBitz: Why would you want it DDoS'd? :
mircea_popescu: (this is the downside of ddos : fuck with the wrong target, lose your botnet)
Adlai: well it'll still be effective against non-wrong targets
mircea_popescu: think about it. for a computer to be in a botnet it has to be vulnerable to something, right ?
mircea_popescu: what happens if i give you a list of ips of computers you know to be vulnerable to something ?
BingoBoingo: Oh, Another botnet takes the botnet. Then there's botnets in all of the botnets.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, idiot users aren't patchable, so probably the same box will surface again later
mircea_popescu: but it won't be yours, ever again. not likely, at any rate.
Adlai: the wrongest target would be one that patches the vulnerability after infection
bounce: what is that box running?
bounce: pity. might've tried and stuck an accept filter in there, see if that drops the load a bit
TheNewDeal: looks like someone even went and 3d printed a bearwhale
bounce: OS feature: freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=accf_
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