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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074226 = 14.5112 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1715 @ 0.00074189 = 1.2723 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/english-version-could-be-a-damaged-russian-submarine_4023511.svd
assbot: English version: Could be a damaged russian submarine | SvD
ben_vulpes: "This time it was encrypted but it was possible to determine the position of the transmitter and the reciever." << how would the latter part be possible?
Adlai: holy shit
Adlai: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/bad-day-bad-patents-supreme-court-unanimously-strikes-down-abstract-software
assbot: Bad Day for Bad Patents: Supreme Court Unanimously Strikes Down Abstract Software Patent | Electronic Frontier Foundation
Adlai: how was i unaware of this for so long
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Because it takes further fucking around in the lower courts for a few decades to see how it will actually be interpreted. And eventually another case if 50 years to address the matter again... Provided the institution is still there to address it in 50 years.
Adlai is wondering whether any part of scalpl counts as 'patentable' under this new precedent, ie, more than just adding a computer into an existing practice
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes triangulation?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: please explain to me how you triangulate a receiver.
kakobrekla: i suspekt it was two way com
ben_vulpes: bidirectional
ben_vulpes: mkay
kakobrekla: just a guess
ben_vulpes: hardly just a receiver then.
ben_vulpes: but w/e/
kakobrekla: mhm
Adlai: xanthyos: …beyond her math skills « so just compile it to within her math skill,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26489 @ 0.00074213 = 19.6583 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I miss having pankkake on our side http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/18/nlcs-ended/
assbot: NLCS Ended | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 390.52, vol: 6961.29402073 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 383.781, vol: 4777.18617 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 389.4, vol: 11886.13927131 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.962033, vol: 82268.71320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.79193, vol: 0.95977536 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 395.56, vol: 26.51499854 | Volume-weighted last average: 389.65831411
BingoBoingo: !up GodHatesFigs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00073647 = 14.177 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai is on nobody's side, because nobody is on his side
Adlai: BingoBoingo: gak what is this, it's like qntra but not
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Personal blog. Cazalla adapted my css for Qntra
Adlai: good artists copy, great artists adapt
BingoBoingo: Just not as high performance as Qntra's version because BG image instead of just BG color
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30139 @ 0.00074079 = 22.3267 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: So it looks like the great excessive bounty of tomatoes is going to end tomorrow. It's supposed to frost. Probably ought to pick the green ones and fry them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00074213 = 3.3396 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
BingoBoingo: !up cardigm
BingoBoingo: So, looks like the Dosing started already tonight. Bingo Blog is under
BingoBoingo: ;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com
gribble: thedrinkingrecord.com is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00073595 = 52.326 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: someone is attacking bingo blog now?
thestringpuller: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/11120639/Facebook-drones-the-size-of-jumbo-jets-to-soar-17-miles-up.html
assbot: Facebook drones the size of jumbo jets to soar 17 miles up - Telegraph
BingoBoingo: Well, they did this morning for just under an hour according to the lawgz
BingoBoingo: !up MiningBuddy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00074213 = 2.5232 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Oh, its back nao
ben_vulpes: here's an interesting nugget
ben_vulpes: http://pastebin.com/7fxfmy0k
assbot: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libdb4.8 libdb4.8++ - Pastebin.com
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Building bitcoind?
BingoBoingo: And bdb continues to suck dick, but less enthusiastically than alternatives?
ben_vulpes: yup.
ben_vulpes: hm should i be doing this on debian 6?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: specifically, 0.6.3 from source.
BingoBoingo: Do it on whatever, just build everything from ports.
BingoBoingo: Mac OS has ports, right?
ben_vulpes: nah, that's not what i'm doing.
danielpbarron: why not OpenBSD?
ben_vulpes: macos is its own crazy problem that I'm not about to impose on anyone.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'm building a container with docker, and a cursory search turned up no docker base image for openbsd.
BingoBoingo: What about the real Unix based Macintosh operating system A/UX
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD doesn't Docker. not well at least
BingoBoingo: !up TomServo
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Maybe try Funtoo?
ben_vulpes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6XPHUNfM
danielpbarron: ;;ud docker
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docker | Nickname or brand name for pants, usually the orginal khaki color. Dockers brand is Levi Strauss & Co's business/casual line, marketed to middle-aged, ...
TomServo: BingoBoingo: Gracias.
BingoBoingo: ;;ud docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | docking. The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis. David and Patrick enjoyed docking immensely because of Patty's ...
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot TomServo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@airportsecurity.junktouch.org. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:39:46 2014
danielpbarron: they have computer pants now?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well the Slacks to Khakis transition happened for a reason...
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Are you building bitcoind on lucid?
ben_vulpes: wheezy
ben_vulpes: considering using squeezy
ben_vulpes: because that was released ca. 2013, roundabout when 0.6 came out
BingoBoingo: Well prolly unsafe to use Uncle Jessie
BingoBoingo: Oh after 15 minute reprieve thedrinkingrecord is down again
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Why are you using Ubuntu packages for Debian builds?
ben_vulpes: aforementioned libdb4.8-dev
ben_vulpes: but uh
ben_vulpes: good question
BingoBoingo: Why not just rip the source from Sun/Oracle?
BingoBoingo: Don't they have a signed tarball?
BingoBoingo: I kind of doubt Debian is going to have the pubkeys to verify Ubuntu packages
BingoBoingo: Unless you bring those in first
ben_vulpes: that's precisely what i was banging into.
BingoBoingo: Really?
ben_vulpes: mhm
BingoBoingo: Seems like what docker does to people.
BingoBoingo: Bludgeons them with other concerns so they can't see the obvious through the bruises
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
BingoBoingo: Also why was I getting cheap vodka all of this time when I could have been getting cheap grain alcohol?
ben_vulpes: pahahahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00073858 = 14.033 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I mean seriously, if I want to get drunk on flavor x, why was I tainting the experience with extra water from the vodka?
BingoBoingo: Also... a lesson in fighting below your weight class http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11723353/lance-leipold-wisconsin-whitewater-warhawks-becomes-fastest-coach-100-wins-ncaa-history
assbot: Lance Leipold of Wisconsin-Whitewater Warhawks becomes fastest coach to 100 wins in NCAA history - ESPN
BingoBoingo: !up DoctorBTC
Namworld: Bingo... I already saw the term docking... so when I saw that sound docking, let's say I got a picture of someone inserting his penis inside a speaker. And not an advanced form of docking ._.
Namworld: Seriously, wtf... That's fucked up. I don't even want to know how that could possibly work.
thestringpuller: oh god
thestringpuller: stop scarring people for lyfe
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Well pencildick exists as a slur for a reason. You have to assume dicks that thin actually exist.
Namworld: 3spooky5me
mircea_popescu: speaker ?! wut ?
thestringpuller: My girl still claims her ex had a 3 inch penis or something.
Namworld: Docking... into sound system. Sound docking.
Namworld: Well seeing something out of context can conjure weird images.
ben_vulpes: so i'm not a a c professional by any stretch of the mind - where do the obj/*.o files come from?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: gcc -c
thestringpuller: basically .c files are compiled into binary .o files
ben_vulpes: thanks, thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: .o is what files compile to on less bad OS's
thestringpuller: LOL
BingoBoingo: Similar to how OSS is the best *nix sound server
BingoBoingo: http://www.kpho.com/story/26737161/500-lb-body-causes-fire-at-henrico-crematory << Biodiesel, literally
assbot: 500 lb. body causes fire at Henrico crematory - CBS 5 - KPHO
mats_cd03: ;;ud sounding
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sounding | The practice of inserting plastic or metal 'sounds' (long thin and very smooth objects) into yours or someone elses uretha. Ultimately leads to str...
mats_cd03: huk
thestringpuller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zKmqm_3t7M
assbot: Beavis & Butt-HeadS06E141 - The Mystery Of Morning Wood.avi - YouTube
thestringpuller: any beavis and butthead fans
xanthyos: ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00073846 = 9.5261 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Missed it by a few years
PeterL: bingoboingo, I've almost got a replacement for penguiker ready
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Awesome
BingoBoingo: !up drawingthesun
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 327605.70 in 30 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.56
thestringpuller: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46338): 0 hour(s), 21 minutes
kakobrekla: PeterL if you are going to do it, make the syntax 'New blog post on $sitename by $author: $url"
PeterL: ok, I think I can get all that in
kakobrekla: i was just going to assimilate it into assbot but go ahead :)
BingoBoingo: http://thehappyhospitalist.blogspot.com/2014/10/Ebola-CDC-Flowchart-Blames-Nurses.html
assbot: Who To Blame When You Get Ebola: A CDC Guide For Healthcare Workers
BingoBoingo: In 20 years, assbot does everybot job
BingoBoingo can't wait for S.ASS
PeterL: how does assbot make money?
BingoBoingo: !Up scoopbot
kakobrekla: PeterL BingoBoingo has a sekrit plan?
thestringpuller: !up ninja_alt
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: i still can't get to logs
thestringpuller: :(
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Nah, I don't have plans.
decimation: apparently debian is going to 'discuss' the possibility of getting rid of systemd again https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00001.html
assbot: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems
kakobrekla: well there you go.
BingoBoingo: !down ninja_alt
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not get rid of, but allow alternatives too.
decimation: "allow"
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, make sure all packages work with other init systems too.
BingoBoingo: So OpenRC in ur Debian
decimation: I don't see so much evil behind what redhat/poettering is doing as much as just steering the boat toward their interests
decimation: redhat wants to make an osx clone for the desktop, and a virtual machine distribution for servers
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, poettering/rh basically wants to cut down the number of distros so they can be an Apple
BingoBoingo: !up ninja_alt
decimation: precisely. what is interesting is that we see the same pattern of action that we saw with the iphone
decimation: pre-iphone there were a variety of hardware devices, post-iphone there are only iphone clones
decimation: this is roughly how 'independent' linux distributions operate
decimation: "However, de Tocqueville came to the opposite conclusion: that in few places could one find ‘less independence of mind, and true freedom of discussion, than in America’. Trusting that the system was fair and just, Americans simply gave up their independence of mind, and put their faith in newspapers and so-called ‘common sense’."
scoopbot: New blog post: http://blog.btcscoop.com/this-is-just-a-test-ignore-this/
assbot: This is just a test, ignore this | BTC Scoop Blog
scoopbot: New blog post: http://blog.btcscoop.com/infinitely-inflating-stock-s-qntr/
assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog
scoopbot: New blog post: http://blog.btcscoop.com/browser-defaults/
assbot: Browser Defaults | BTC Scoop Blog
scoopbot: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/incoin-promises-to-liberate-your-payroll/
assbot: Incoin Promises To Liberate Your Payroll | Qntra.net
scoopbot: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/dogecoin-facebook-contributor-to-jail/
assbot: Dogecoin Facebook Contributor to Jail | Qntra.net
scoopbot: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/
assbot: Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme | Qntra.net
scoopbot: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/yo-trilema-fratires/
assbot: Yo, Trilema Fratires! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
scoopbot: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/slavery-the-best-thing-for-you-no-seriously/
assbot: Slavery : the best thing for you. No, seriously. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
scoopbot: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-claims/
assbot: The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: woah
PeterL: hmm, that didn't work like I wanted, bleh
mats_cd03: this looks familiar
thestringpuller: close!
PeterL: let me work on that
ben_vulpes: booting is the first edge case
ben_vulpes: write some tests
ben_vulpes: :P
PeterL: sorry about the spam, I'll get it working in a different channel
thestringpuller: #bitcoin-assets-development
thestringpuller: lol
decimation: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/
assbot: Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd « IgnorantGuru's Blog
mircea_popescu: whoa w3ho made the scoopbot ?
PeterL: me
PeterL: well, making
PeterL: still working on it
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
BingoBoingo: decimation: At this rate Linus is going to become a NetBSd dev
mircea_popescu: hahahah
BingoBoingo: NetBSD because he knows he can't beat Theo in a profanity war
BingoBoingo: And might as well boot all the hardware
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: ll buy her a lappy if she does it << meat ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai: holy shit << what part was surprising ?
mircea_popescu: they already had said they will through every available channel.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu priorities!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I miss having pankkake on our side <<< which side is he now ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: here's an interesting nugget <<< time to dig
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's gone rogue? But not friendly to us. I think something about pete jsut rubs him the wrong way.
mircea_popescu: dude i dun see it. so guy did some work at some point, then got busy or w/e, dropped the code
mircea_popescu: what is the fault we find here ?
BingoBoingo was actually excited about Scientific Linux 7 until he saw them bring in systemDevil from upstream
decimation: yeah I'm not interested in redhat7 for that reason
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No fault in pankakke. Just seems busy and the "run old working software" party line seems to set him off.
BingoBoingo: I miss his troll persistence though.
mircea_popescu: well so not everyone agrees with everything.
BingoBoingo: No, they don't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0007415 = 3.8558 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Dayjobs I guess do weird things to people
mircea_popescu: myah.
BingoBoingo: So it looks like tonight thedrinkingrecord is getting all the DOS
mircea_popescu: how's that working out ?
decimation: lol https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/415 << the systemd people tried to get Linus to accept a patch where the 'debug' kernel command argument would be silently removed from userspace, because it would trigger systemd spamming errors so badly that it wouldn't boot the system
assbot: LKML: Steven Rostedt: [RFC PATCH] cmdline: Hide "debug" from /proc/cmdline
BingoBoingo: Well, the site goes down, but it is shared hosting on dreamhost still so it doesn't get more expensive for me.
BingoBoingo: I just file support tickets and frontline support derps about how they don't see a DOS
mircea_popescu: decimation did he tell them just how fucking drunk the whores of their mothers must have been to fuck the donkeys that fathered them ?
mircea_popescu: and you know THAT is not the because.
mircea_popescu: the because is that they made it deliberately spammy and unbootable, because they don't want that flag.
decimation: heh unfortunately no " Key, I'm f*cking tired of the fact that you don't fix problems in the code *you* write, so that the kernel then has to work around the problems you cause."
mircea_popescu: close enough.
decimation: yeah, basically they don't want the users to have an easy way to expose how buggy their shit is
mircea_popescu: not just.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna get buggier. but more interestingly so.
decimation: linus and his wot are pretty much the only thing standing between 'linux' and 'redhat hat kernel!!'
BingoBoingo will prolly pick up the next OpenBSD CD's... wishes OpenBSD saw the wisdom in an actual fundraiser so Bob Beck could code and not disappoint the firsted biggest donor
mircea_popescu: decimation yup.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo take heart in the secure knowledge that never was there a shortage of sexual congress where there were healthy men and young sluts present. and while the young sluts were never in question, bitcoin generated plenty of healthy men.
mircea_popescu: through which metaphore i am suggesting, of course, that coders are whores and money is a penis.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S4Z4AB.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2
asciilifeform: them's whores & money's the clap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. see, you're jaded.
mircea_popescu: not all cocks are contagious.
asciilifeform: ehe.
mircea_popescu: it goes on a cock by cock basis, i tell you!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Money's merely a Candida. In right forms it prevents gangrene. In wrong forms it is worse than any cancer.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo technically speaking children are kinda like ovarian cancer...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Why are you using Ubuntu packages for Debian builds? <<< zing!
BingoBoingo: Uterine cancer. If the pregnancy goes ectopic and they become a uterine cancer... They ought to be punished early so as to not become a child
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 500 lb. body causes fire at Henrico crematory << one time i spent an evening reading cremator manuals (for no particular reason. happened to stroll by a modern crematory on evening walk in new street, was curious.) every manufacturer has special instructions for the peculiarly fat 'clients.'
asciilifeform: main danger, as i understand, is that their combustion will: create a visible plume of smoke. or, the ultimate catastrophe, 'auschwitzy' smell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The one my father visited cautioned against too well built coffins. The wrong wood and wrong body can take up to a week.
asciilifeform: in usa, most locales will impose serious fines or even yank cremation license for this.
mircea_popescu: on my way to school in jr high (i walked, bout a mile) i went on a road that went by the medical school's campus' crematorium
mircea_popescu: it smelled like burned people at least twice a week.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: My girl still claims her ex had a 3 inch penis or something. << these exist.
decimation: in usa it must be pretended that no one is fat or dead
BingoBoingo: First stint of grad school best parking place for plastic car was near med school body storage. Smelled freon often, formaldahyde yes, bodies... never. Curse of the USA is its surface area.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: how does assbot make money? << occasional donations i guess
decimation: asciilifeform: I was speaking with a fellow who had to rube-goldberg engineer a crazy 'biologic' breakdown system for mustard gas, because the envirocultists refused to allow simple incineration of the stuff
mircea_popescu: but that's the approach. burn it in pure oxygen
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: I was speaking with a fellow who had to rube-goldberg engineer a crazy 'biologic' breakdown system for mustard gas, because the envirocultists refused to allow simple incineration of the stuff << Disolve in vegetable oil, emulsify with albumin, condiment that passes spec in Ohio
decimation: every molecule is precious when it comes to the environment!!
mircea_popescu: decimation: pre-iphone there were a variety of hardware devices, post-iphone there are only iphone clones <<< this is because current crop of ruminants are idiots, believe in the myth of "the best"
mircea_popescu: consumer electronics however is not comensurate with os.
asciilifeform: decimation: french method also works (sink to the bottom of the atlantic, with 1kg trotyl per 1kg of shell)
decimation: http://www.hcn.org/issues/106/3348 << "Vincent, chairman of the Sierra Club's Environmental Quality Strategy Team, says the Army should invest in technologies that will be useful to private companies, rather than wasting time and money on incineration: "It is unconscionable for the military to be investing in dead-end technologies that nobody else wants." "
assbot: Bombs go up in smoke in a rural Utah county High Country News
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/oZSiI
assbot: DC Curiosities - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ now with gasenwagen shots.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: ambulance << yep: http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/inside-presidents-armored-limo << "What's in the trunk? Extra weapons, a separate oxygen supply under the president's seat and emergency medical equipment, including bottles of the president's blood type in case the ambulance (one always travels in the motorcade) gets cut off."
assbot: Inside the President's armored limo | Autoweek
asciilifeform: aha so same as brezhnev.
decimation: asciilifeform: I have witnessed similar 'convoys' in wash dc. It's amusing to see how the "sovereign people" are so easily herded away from public areas
BingoBoingo: !up mats_cd03
asciilifeform: this was the first i ever saw one alive.
decimation: like, can the president cancel 'freedom of assembly' where he wants?
asciilifeform: they will close streets, restaurants, etc. for blocks.
asciilifeform: hitler, stalin - never.
decimation: george will has a story about obama's visit to his house when he first came to town. apparently the secret service told the neighbors that they weren't allowed to walk on their own lawn
mats_cd03: 'convoys' are the worst
mats_cd03: stay indoors for x hours while we ... file past you.
decimation: I would like to see a us attorney defend that to a judge
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hitler, stalin - never. << But those preceeded the Kennedy Fuher
decimation: I suspect that you had every legal right to walk right past that secret service uniformed guy closing lafayette park
asciilifeform: there, interestingly, was a camera crew from some local rag
asciilifeform: filming - what? this, evidently.
asciilifeform: (does one have a legal right to resurrection once shot by the goons?)
decimation: my understanding is that the press 'takes turns' filming every movement of the president so that if he explodes or something they will have the film
asciilifeform: notably, no one announced 'the fuhrer is progressing'
asciilifeform: just 'this area is temporarily restricted'
decimation: asciilifeform: I've seen lafayette park closed just for 'quitting time' for white house people to walk away without having to touch the smelly tourists
decimation: for 'freedom and security' of course
asciilifeform: i'd say, half of it is 'the boot stamping on the human face forever' - sheer pleasure in herding the peasants, sticking finger into their anthills,
asciilifeform: and half - these folks know that they are evil incarnate. and that more or less the entire planet wishes them ill.
asciilifeform: even the subjugated pederasts of natoworld.
BingoBoingo: You know... In the current jurisidtion... No one gives mayor joe trouble, inspite of the populace probably being moar aremed than DC's
decimation: http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/30214722-452/sneed-whats-the-secret-to-valerie-jarretts-security-detail.html
assbot: Sneed: Whats the secret to Valerie Jarretts security detail? - Chicago Sun-Times
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect for the second half that they don't think of themselves as evil - they think that those who would wish them ill as evil. they are just trying to do good, you see - they are just "in the loop"
asciilifeform: there are definitely elements of a 'forbidden city' wank fantasy also.
asciilifeform: 'if i get 8 inches of crystalline unobtainium armour, i must be important'
decimation: as I recall, the leaders of those who overthrew the czar immediately began using his fancy boats, palaces, etc for their own private benefit because "they were for the people"
asciilifeform: aha.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> 'if i get 8 inches of crystalline unobtainium armour, i must be important' << Shhh stop talking about my tent
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#827001 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#827002☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 23:45:36; asciilifeform: 'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 23:45:36; asciilifeform: t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You finish wasp yet?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, as Mr. Yarvin said, revolutions are when random adventurers seize power for their own ends
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> hitler, stalin - never. << they were popular.
mircea_popescu: makes a shitload of a difference.
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: !up mats_cd03
decimation: I liked "the wasp", it was amusing
decimation: if you are trying to stir up a heap of trouble in a foreign land, occasional bombardment helps quite a bit
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Point is with the wrong support suicide mission stays suicide mission
asciilifeform: and speaking of wasp,
asciilifeform: http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-eric-frein-police-citations-20141018-story.html#page=1
assbot: Eric Frein manhunt wipes out speeding tickets, citations - The Morning Call
decimation: asciilifeform: so at least %15 of the pa state police are hunting for this guy?
asciilifeform: at least.
asciilifeform: and what fraction of the pencil pushers - devil knows
mircea_popescu: "C
mircea_popescu: urtis Gibbs of Allentown got a break this month when he went to court for allegedly slapping state Trooper Joe Bushta's horse during Musikfest."
mircea_popescu: i... beg your pardon ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in most u.s. states, any case involving a policeman requires that he appear in person.
asciilifeform: (if he is alive.)
mircea_popescu: not my point.
mircea_popescu: my point is, you expect me to show up in court because a horse ?!
asciilifeform: ah, well, the other point.
asciilifeform: ask them.
mircea_popescu: get off your horse lmao
asciilifeform: because insulting his majesty's loyal servant, or such.
asciilifeform: %15 << clearly pa needs 6 more freins.
asciilifeform: better, 66.
BingoBoingo: Where do I get a cylinder #5?
asciilifeform: i'd love a container-2.
decimation: BingoBoingo: as in a propane bottle?
asciilifeform: or -30
asciilifeform: 2 contained Real Earthling Food
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, the one with a phone built in, Cylinder #22's third most important companion
decimation: BingoBoingo: oh you mean the book duh. I like cylinder 22
decimation: yeah, if you are going to be a wasp with support, secure comms are pretty important
BingoBoingo: The problem though is support can be more dangerous than the enemy
decimation: heh yeah I half expected the book to end with the man dying at the end of the sights of a Terran space-marine
BingoBoingo: Imagine how many Wasps must have fallen to "friendly" infantry on first contact
asciilifeform: see also, required reading, 'mother night' (k. vonnegut)
asciilifeform: very similar theme.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The problem though is support can be more dangerous than the enemy << this is very true. french resisters had an ambiguous reputation with the foreign secret agents dropped in the field.
decimation: vonnegut was pissed that his father failed to bring him up in German culture, and dropped him in "one language English only" americanism << "But no, absolutely not – it was almost perverse, I think, that my father would cut me off from the past in such a way. And I think Germans are the most American of all people; [Dwight D.] Eisenhower was as American as a McDonald’s hamburger." http://www.hanknuwer.com/vonnegut.html
assbot: Kurt Vonnegut on Indianapolis, Kilgore Trout, and Dresden
asciilifeform: decimation: this is abundantly clear in the mentioned book
mircea_popescu: he definitely has a point.
decimation: I've only read slaugherhouse five, I'll have to pick that up
decimation: the germans in the us were basically cowed by the english into giving up their past so that they wouldn't be suspect during ww I&II
asciilifeform: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf
asciilifeform: ^l33t w4r3z
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decimation: lol I love government-hosted warez
BingoBoingo: decimation: My present locale only had a german newspaper until 1917
BingoBoingo: Schools similarly didn't have advanced classes in Ingles
asciilifeform: there are supposedly towns in usa speaking a kind of fossilized 18th c. german.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#781802☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 05:53:18; decimation: there is actually a small Germantown in America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_German
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Quite a few. Mostly in Missouri Arkansas and Texas
asciilifeform: there were once such germans in ussr, too.
BingoBoingo: Well, USSR had hunters...
BingoBoingo: I saw enemy at the gate...
asciilifeform: actually quite a few remained there until '90s
decimation: I have distant ancestors who lived in odessa, they were invited by Catherine the Great
asciilifeform: mostly moved to germany, afaik.
BingoBoingo: Hard to move to EU from Arkansas
asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
decimation: well, many were rounded up and forcibly moved by the post wwii allies and stalin
BingoBoingo: Oh, there are fully functional hamlets in the Ozarks
asciilifeform: when do we get to hear about the micro-germanies of argentina.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When they finish the bomb
BingoBoingo: Argentine microGermanies are newer and moar urgent
BingoBoingo: And were formed on ideas stronger than Prussia sucks
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#569216☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2014 01:13:02; decimation: In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans.
decimation: it is sad that the world has largely lost this diaspora because of hitler's derpage
asciilifeform: what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.
decimation: well, it was also partially done during the first world war too
asciilifeform: mostly then.
asciilifeform: in 1911, physics, chemistry, were practically as synonymous with germany as seppuku is with japan.
decimation: even in wwii german technology was generally superior
BingoBoingo: 1911 Forces my brain to think of the Colt pistol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now that you mention it, damn, also.
decimation: I heard from a fellow who was in charge of trying to duplicate german paint technology post-wwii. they were amazed to find german railcars painted 10 years earlier that looked new
asciilifeform: good symbol of american degradation incidentally. afaik all examples produced in past 20 years or so - have 'zamac' parts.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In American lore the only silent bullets happen in .45 ACP or .22 LR
asciilifeform: subsonics?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Full power .45 ACP is subsonic by nature.
BingoBoingo: Tis a heavy motherfucker
asciilifeform: low-pressure by design, if i recall, yes.
BingoBoingo: But I dunno why anyone would go for a recent frame
asciilifeform: cost?
BingoBoingo: $300-Maxint, median seems aroung $1500 per pistol
decimation: well, and the kalash is based on the stg 44
BingoBoingo: And if SKS came 6 months earlier Berlin would need no airlift
asciilifeform: decimation: misconception. study the drawings. very different systems.
asciilifeform: decimation: the cartridge - was.
asciilifeform: note - full machinist drawings for historic arms can, with minimal effort, be found on the net.
asciilifeform: someone even took the trouble to translate notes to english, in many cases.
asciilifeform: presumably - enthusiasts are making them still...
decimation: yeah they kinda look similar superficially. At least the stg44 proved the concept
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> someone even took the trouble to translate notes to english, in many cases. << Sad so long take for 9 letter dictionary
asciilifeform: ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Machining specs, Many numbers, but few units of measure
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in 1911, physics, chemistry, were practically as synonymous with germany as seppuku is with japan. << this is true
mircea_popescu: philosophy still is.
decimation: yeah we haven't had a better kant come along yet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: few units of measure << millimetre, what else you need.
asciilifeform: assuming ru/de/fr blueprints.
mircea_popescu: decimation not even what i had in mind. i think i ruined someone's life with frege earlier in the logs.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: frege!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well for blowback operated machines of the time it is whatever Browning himself deigned
mircea_popescu: yes. frege. gottlob "fuck you and count" frege.
asciilifeform: which other frege.
asciilifeform: but ruined?
mircea_popescu: ;;google hollywood frege
gribble: Frege - Westwood - Los Angeles, CA | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/frege-los-angeles>; Ibrahim Frege - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3359867/>; Beate-Maria Frege - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5409308/>
mircea_popescu: :D!
BingoBoingo: Fuku Fichte!!!
mircea_popescu: dude whahahah
BingoBoingo: !UP Maryjane
decimation: wittgenstein too, although he was austrian I think
mircea_popescu: i thought he was a swede.
mircea_popescu: no wait, puma swede was a swede.
BingoBoingo: Wittgenstein was late
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein
assbot: Ludwig Wittgenstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: he was a contemporary of frege
decimation: shit no
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: I read the wrong year, born 1889 in veinna
Maryjane: Hi c:
mircea_popescu: i gotta say i love decimation's notion of time.
mircea_popescu: "sure, my wife got pregnant in 1972, so my kid is 12"
mircea_popescu: ello Maryjane
BingoBoingo: Maryjane: Hi, Wittgenstein was so fucking late
decimation: well, here's a notion: what happened in germany circa 1790-1890 that caused such great minds to mature to fruition?
mircea_popescu: decimation school beatings.
mircea_popescu: look it up.
asciilifeform: decimation: also good question, what -didn't- happen.
Maryjane: Hah
mircea_popescu: "you can do anything"
mircea_popescu: didn't happen.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the anglos did what they do best, and now there's a kind of stuffed animal with 'germany' sticker we have now instead to enjoy.
mircea_popescu: well, "we"
asciilifeform: 'we', yes
BingoBoingo: No mircea_popescu Twas you have no friends, all in Ohio hellhole nao, make meaning. That twas the Prussian renaissance
asciilifeform: the anglos - masters of taxidermy.
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BingoBoingo: Subtract bad influences
BingoBoingo: ;;google Johnny Cueto
gribble: Johnny Cueto Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com: <http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cuetojo01.shtml>; Johnny Cueto Stats, News, Pictures, Bio, Videos - Cincinnati Reds ...: <http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28955/johnny-cueto>; Johnny Cueto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Cueto>
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decimation: mircea_popescu: have you visited any 'germanytowns' down there in ar yet?
mircea_popescu: nah. haven;t been out of ba.
decimation: lol wittgenstein tried to beat sense into schoolchildren, it didn't work
mircea_popescu: he didn't aim to kill them.
mircea_popescu: it only works if you're serious about it.
Maryjane: Oh golly c:
asciilifeform: abominably bad ocr in that vonnegut link btw.
asciilifeform: just in case anyone was considering reading it
decimation: I suspect that the impedence mismatch between his brain and the dull schoolboy's was too much to properly match
mircea_popescu: decimation this honestly is never a problem.
mircea_popescu: i found teaching idiots (literally, 70ish iq) a lot easier and more palatable than teaching "normal" kids.
mircea_popescu: in some environments, intelligence is a curse. you get just smart enough to be unvanquishibly dumb.
decimation: yeah, I guess I can see that. one would be more fustrated with the kid who seems to be able to get it, not the kid who is on the short bus
Maryjane: Hmm.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761497☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
mircea_popescu: decimation moreover, the "smart" kid has all sorts of shit figured out
mircea_popescu: like, say, "what is a number"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dumb kids in opressive environments grow up into these most adorable adults.
mircea_popescu: it's only in the us that they are obnoxious enough to throw in the fire.
asciilifeform: adorable!?!?!
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: dog emulator?
mircea_popescu: not quite.
Maryjane: Intelligence can be found on so many different levels though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ferret emulator
mircea_popescu: im unequal to the task of explainign this one
mircea_popescu: Maryjane depends what you mean by that.
Maryjane: In movement of people who don't talk at all
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not quite dog, too independent, insufficienlty clever for dog
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no.
BingoBoingo: They exist though
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the scott story about their braveheart guy in a cave with a spider ?
BingoBoingo: No???
mircea_popescu: guy in a cave with a spider, spider trying to do whatever shit and failing and trying again
mircea_popescu: a dozen fucking times
mircea_popescu: eventually manages
mircea_popescu: goes out of cave beats the shit out of the brits.
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mircea_popescu: there's something adorable about people who can't do things but keep trying endlessly.
mircea_popescu: dogs don't do that. spiders do. apparently some mice.
asciilifeform: sphex wasp.
asciilifeform: famously.
Maryjane: That's like me and heavy lifting.
asciilifeform: http://www.personalityresearch.org/evolutionary/sphexishness.html
assbot: Genetic Determinism--Sphexishness
decimation: there is an 'uncanny valley' between 'competent - will deliver' and 'hilariously inept'
mircea_popescu: aha. yeah.
Maryjane: It amuses everyone but myself
Maryjane: C:
BingoBoingo: Ah, that's why the scotties prefer their almost manul
mircea_popescu: decimation hilarity washes out after the say 100th attempt.
asciilifeform: who doesn't love the story of sisyphus.
BingoBoingo: As native mascot
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who doesn't love the story of sisyphus. << Sisyphus
asciilifeform: well sure.
mircea_popescu: ha
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Adlai: !b 3
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BingoBoingo: !up agorecki
agorecki: Hmm?
BingoBoingo: agorecki: What is there to ponder you have voice and Obola has sweating blood?
agorecki: Obola?
xanthyos: BigBitz: according to camus, sisyphus did love it
xanthyos: BingoBoingo: ^^
asciilifeform: i often refer to folks doing what sisyphus did, as 'syzzing'
asciilifeform: concept is so often met with, it deserves a name.
xanthyos: the futility of wiping your ass so perfectly when you're just going to take a shit tomorrow
Maryjane: Lol
decimation: asciilifeform: one runs into sisyphean tasks often in computer programming
Maryjane: I felt like sisyphus at my last job. But lifting 50lbs for 14 hrs isn't jolly work. Every time I grabbed one box there was another.
asciilifeform: at least the boxes were moving for a purpose.
asciilifeform: !up Maryjane
Maryjane: The pursuit of my bosses business. He was weird.
Maryjane: Strange man.
asciilifeform: what sort of business was he in?
Maryjane: Bees. He didn't like to bathe. I recall him saying "I like to stink. :)"
decimation: lol wittgenstein designed a house in Vienna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Wittgenstein "I am not interested in erecting a building, but in [...] presenting to myself the foundations of all possible buildings." —Ludwig Wittgenstein[4]
assbot: Haus Wittgenstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maryjane: I thought it was fascinating how such an intelligent strange person didn't like to feel clean. Lol.
Maryjane: Beyond me.
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decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.84, Best ask: 392.26, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 390.81, 24 hour volume: 6506.57594913, 24 hour low: 377.7, 24 hour high: 397.29, 24 hour vwap: 389.778279254
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
RagnarDanneskjol: not4me
BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
BingoBoingo: ;;isupthedrinkingrecord.com
gribble: Error: "isupthedrinkingrecord.com" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com
gribble: thedrinkingrecord.com is down
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/meanwhile-theyve-busted-out-the-tear-gas-in-morgantown-1648133309
assbot: Meanwhile, They've Busted Out The Tear Gas In Morgantown
BingoBoingo: ^ West Fucking Virginia
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/moopay-goes-from-robusto-to-busto/ difficult to give a shit about these altcoin scams
assbot: Moopay Goes From Robusto To Busto | Qntra.net
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
RagnarDanneskjol: Gateway Timeout: can't connect to remote host
cazalla: fine here RagnarDanneskjol
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm
cazalla: you might need to check your browser settings and/or reset your modem
RagnarDanneskjol: yea doin it
BingoBoingo: Maybe consult the Manul? http://www.earthtouchnews.com/media/179015/06_02_2014_manul_Pallass-cat_1_GalleryLarge.jpg
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 327909.24 in 23 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.54
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mats_cd03: docker is becoming a huge thing
mats_cd03: ben_vulpes knows his trends
mats_cd03: too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable
mircea_popescu: <Maryjane> Beyond me. <<< meet rms sometime.
mircea_popescu: was your boss affraid of cacti ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03> too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable <<, but whatevs.
mats_cd03: its rapidly being supported by a lot of varying devs
mats_cd03: for example, did you know the windows 10 team is adopting fixes for ntoskrnl to make it work with docker?
mats_cd03: its p huge, they never do things like that with the kernel. drivers maybe
mats_cd03: vmware is also moving towards support for docker when they were adamant about it for months prior to the switcharoo
mats_cd03: about avoiding it, that is
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: So What is docker exactly is it like a FreeBSD Jail a decade late or... Closer to something like Zen?
mats_cd03: http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2014/10/15/new-windows-server-containers-and-azure-support-for-docker/
assbot: New Windows Server containers and Azure support for Docker | Microsoft Azure Blog
mats_cd03: http://ir.vmware.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=867568
assbot: VMware Teams With Docker, Google and Pivotal to Simplify Enterprise Adoption of Containers (NYSE:VMW)
mats_cd03: its basically OpenVZ and Solaris
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: Does Docker have DTrace?
mats_cd03: Solaris has had Zones for some time
BingoBoingo: Yes, I played with SOlaris zones and dtrace in 2004 on shitty computer lab printer
BingoBoingo: Printer because the computers were reset every day at midnight
BingoBoingo: Printer kept hours closer to my own
mats_cd03: i don't know if it does, thats a good question
BingoBoingo: Solaris Zones are about as similar to BSD Jails though as Ext4 is to HAMMER@
BingoBoingo: *HAMMER2
mats_cd03: DTrace does a lot
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 odd how that works ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why do you like it again ?
mats_cd03: SystemTap works at some level
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: the wheel being reinvented?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 no, sudden adoption of stuff.
mircea_popescu: like, systemv.
mircea_popescu: "o hey guise, now that the bitcoin crowd has headshot'd our openssl holes, please everyone fuck up their init!"
mats_cd03: thats an interesting perspective.
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: theres also sysdig, which is a relatively new thing.
mats_cd03: ;;google sysdig github
gribble: draios/sysdig · GitHub: <https://github.com/draios/sysdig>; Home · draios/sysdig Wiki · GitHub: <https://github.com/draios/sysdig/wiki>; How to Install Sysdig from the Source Code · draios/sysdig ... - GitHub: <https://github.com/draios/sysdig/wiki/How-to-Install-Sysdig-from-the-Source-Code>
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BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: I feel safer running good ole Microsoft Xenix
mats_cd03: its really incredible the kinds of things you can do with one liners in sysdig.
mats_cd03: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7568175
assbot: Sysdig vs DTrace vs Strace: a technical discussion | Hacker News
mats_cd03: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7705443
assbot: Fishing for Hackers: Analysis of a Linux Server Attack | Hacker News
cazalla: https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/523694007856406528 hilarious
assbot: /bitxbitxbitcoin /S_Murphy_PhD and /sovryntech help market and promote ponzi schemes http://t.co/cr6m7fuUuq
mats_cd03: Caleb Chen is an embarrassment.
ben_vulpes: but -- digging nevertheless.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> through which metaphore i am suggesting, of course, that coders are whores and money is a penis. << btc today, equity in thing of value mebbe tomorrow...
ben_vulpes: how are you to fight the usg thusly?
cazalla: mats_cd03, me?
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RagnarDanneskjol: heh - guy asks for +v, how can i say no
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RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.dbpia.co.kr/Journal/ArticleDetail/3512233
assbot: .<br> : s
RagnarDanneskjol: [Multi-connection system for online game service continuity]
Vexual: kakobrekla: I thought you banned me proper
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Vexual: it seems i'm indentured
Vexual: just my luck
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RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/norway-amazing-new-abstract-currency/1QrSsKTl4AHjoKZsGAo61L/story.html << this is gonna wind up like stamps, feds'll have to come up with creative schemes to keep 'em relevant
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Norway’s amazing new abstract currency - Ideas - The Boston Globe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17951 @ 0.00073845 = 13.2559 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol creates news alert for'amazign'
Vexual: are they plastic? can they go in the sauna?
Vexual: what about a submarine? get on at the dock?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tko1G6XRiQ
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3fd4nE8OCI
Vexual: hi Adlai
Vexual: whats new?
Adlai navigates the shoals of impending employment
Vexual: ooh nice, big moneys?
kakobrekla: lol
Adlai: my main purpose in life these days is working on my open source library, my secondary purpose is not to starve. the trick is to juggle the two purposes properly.
Vexual: not starving is an excellnt goal
Adlai: it's a shitty one if all you do while not starving is waste oxygen
Adlai: btw if i haven't spammed it at you yet, i'm working on http://github.com/adlai/scalpl if this is the kind of thing that interests you
assbot: adlai/scalpl GitHub
Vexual: yes i remember this now
kakobrekla: dont get lost among the slaves
Vexual: also don;t aspire to only et unborn sturgeon
Adlai: u w0t
Vexual: belugar caviar
Vexual: it isn't the be all and end all
Adlai: having caviar as table salt is not part of my requirements for "not starve"
Vexual: you might wanna include it as a sometimes food
Adlai: exactly
kakobrekla: hm? you must be talking to my ignore list.
Adlai: Vexual might want to sort that out then :)
RagnarDanneskjol: you got some nice work there Adlai
RagnarDanneskjol: https://github.com/adlai/sykobot - heh
assbot: adlai/sykobot GitHub
Adlai: that is some old shit
RagnarDanneskjol: i se that. who else is using scalpl to yor knowledge?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3913 @ 0.00073868 = 2.8905 BTC [+]
Adlai: http://github.com/sykopomp/sheeple <- most nicest work i've done. syko and i stopped working on it because we thought nobody would ever actually use it, turns out today several people are using it "professionally"
assbot: sykopomp/sheeple GitHub
Vexual: what does it do?? the readme is a bit spergie
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm cool. kind of weird I'm the only one who's forked scalpl to date... thought it would be a lot moar popular by now
Adlai: RagnarDanneskjol: me, and a friend is planning on using it in a hedge fund sometime soon, and has been running it on a bit of personal money to test the waters until the fund goes live.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh wow. sounds awesome - and scary
Vexual: need a brain?
Adlai: although the most correct answer to your question is "me", since in it's current form it still kinda requires me to manually set it up
Vexual: lol
RagnarDanneskjol: ok
Adlai: so now that you've forked it, what's next? :D
Vexual: ahitty graphix
Adlai: +Vexual | need a brain? « the more the merrier, provided that you're an "adder" and not a "divider" :)
Vexual: give me something thats not and api
RagnarDanneskjol: i reverse engineer code mostly, find out what makes it tick.. thats about the extent of my interest in the coding world. I'm an rf hardware guy
Adlai: enoparse: "and api"
Vexual: lol
kakobrekla wonders how long does it take for Adlai to ignore the noise hole.
Adlai: i'm hoping to have scalpl as usable as the average unix utility by the end of the month
RagnarDanneskjol: very nice
Vexual concede it'll be immediately after he takes my money
Adlai: ie, you'll still need to rtfm/s and configuration will require editing textual config files
Adlai tends to /ignore in his brain, not in his IRC client
Adlai: * | Vexual concede it'll be immediately after he takes my money << the beauty of scalpl's design is that you don't have to give me your money to use it, although you do have to trust the exchange which you choose to use
Vexual: ill give you money anyway, just to be a cunt
kakobrekla: nevertheless the question remains.
Adlai: right now, the answer is "until the guy who's supposed to call me, calls me"
Adlai: RagnarDanneskjol: are you interested in using scalpl once it's at that level?
kakobrekla: hedge fund on kraken?
Adlai: the user configures pretty much everything about how it interprets the market, my goal is for this to essentially be a trading slave which you can teach your algorithms and then sip martinis while it trades away
kakobrekla checks if its 1st of april.
kakobrekla: mnope
Adlai: emphasis on "planning"
RagnarDanneskjol: again - I just deconstruct these things for research/amusement purposes.. no plans to 'do anything' with code really. I have a day job that keeps my too busy, any fre time is for ma doggies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19147 @ 0.0007395 = 14.1592 BTC [+]
Adlai: at no point in history has the total AUM of all running scalpl instances exceeded $10K
kakobrekla: you gather stats remotley?
RagnarDanneskjol: ya - how do you know
Adlai: no. so that's the AUM of all scalpl instances which i have configured myself, but i highly doubt that there are any others.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17156 @ 0.00073672 = 12.6392 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: nevertheless all and sundry are happy on their own
Vexual: kraken aint no shit
Adlai: my main reason for using kraken for developement is their minimum order size of 0.01 euro, which means i can risk a lot less capital
Vexual: yeah man, kudos
Vexual: love abounds
Adlai: (the smaller the minimum order relative to your capital, the more steps in your martingale)
Vexual: kraken has a casino now?
RagnarDanneskjol: er no. martingale relates to general probabilistic theory, is used in predictive trading systems, not just dice games derp
Vexual: are yuo in out every pip?
RagnarDanneskjol: probability theory even*
Adlai: "in out every pip"?
Vexual: grunty grunty
Adlai: wrt casinos... the market is just one big decentralized casino
Vexual: yeah well
Adlai: investing is more than "just gambling", but some derivatives are structured in a way which makes them more like a fancy roulette wheel than "investing"
mats_cd03: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/19/trolls-two-years-prison_n_6009926.html
assbot: Trolls To Get Up To Two Years In Prison Under New Laws, Chris Grayling Announces
Adlai: why not just two minutes in sunlight
kakobrekla: be humane
mats_cd03: because you suck and you should feel bad
Adlai: if i'd wanted comeback i'd have asked your mother to spit in a cup
mats_cd03: writing a trading bot is easily top five most trite and boring
Adlai is getting PM requests to !up people, can he even do that?
bounce: go on and try
Vexual: try
Adlai: !up yours
Vexual: lol
Vexual: now ere playing snakes and ladders
Adlai: lol, 'assbot: You voiced yours for 30 minutes.'
mats_cd03 http://pastebin.com/zBaBdkF5
assbot: 10:49:39 <Freeenodeadmin> up me 10:50:29 <mats_cd03> 5 bitcents for up 10:50:3 - Pastebin.com
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds
Adlai should've offered 4
Adlai: but i'm not a trading bot
Vexual: obiously not
kakobrekla: Adlai if you can up yourself you can up others
Adlai: right, the next question was whether i want to up pm spammers
Vexual: mats_cd03: thats illegal!
mats_cd03: killing people is illegal
bounce: .oO( !up for monies, any old pm will do )
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: Adlai you can always !drown
Adlai drowns in python so he has relevant things to say in this upcoming call
Vexual: talk perl
Adlai: python in general is OK, the problem is other people's python...
Adlai: there may be only one way to do it, but they must've missed the memo
kakobrekla: !s encabulator
assbot: 3 results for 'encabulator' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=encabulator
bounce: all those unpythonic pythonistas. surely the end of the neighbourhood.
kakobrekla: you might find it helpful
bounce is holding out for WOM-driven encabulators for the digital age
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20266 @ 0.0007395 = 14.9867 BTC [+]
Adlai orders a copy of Blumenstein et al
kakobrekla: anyway Adlai if its newcomers asking for up politely, i dont see why not.
Adlai: kakobrekla: ok, but this was the same guy spamming mats_cd03
Vexual: shes not gonna call
kakobrekla: in that case use ignore :p
Vexual: :)
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00073924 = 2.6613 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !up CryptoGoon
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: !up CryptoKitten
CryptoKitten: ty
kakobrekla: see, all you had to do is /nick femalenick
CryptoKitten: You feature of bitcoin ticker, if you haven't seen it yet : You can replay timeframes now. http://bitcointicker.co/replay/bitstamp/
assbot: Bitcoin Ticker - bitstamp
CryptoKitten: s/You/new
CryptoKitten: kakobrekla: yea I noticed that worked out for me well
CryptoGoon: thnx
kakobrekla: lol you two confuse the shit out of me
CryptoKitten: You'd think the Pink prefix on the other would elude to my gender, but perhaps it's not girly enough
CryptoKitten: though that was never the motive :)
kakobrekla: wait arent you sysadmin?
kakobrekla: or was that someone else
CryptoKitten: that was me
kakobrekla: and who is CryptoGoon ?
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot CryptoGoon
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoGoon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoGoon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoGoon | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot CryptoKitten
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoKitten: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoKitten | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoKitten | Rated since: never
CryptoKitten: hrm.. I am authed
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot [ident CryptoKitten]
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CryptoKitten!~PinkPixie@ec2-54-86-70-168.compute-1.amazonaws.com. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PinkPosixPXE: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PinkPosixPXE | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PinkPosixPXE | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot [ident CryptoGoon]
gribble: Error: You provided an empty string as argument. Your command: ;;gettrust assbot [ident CryptoGoon].
CryptoKitten: yea figured it might be the nick
kakobrekla: I DID NOT!
kakobrekla: ;;rate gribble -1 liar
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
CryptoKitten: haha
CryptoKitten: I thought if I grouped this nick in nickserv gribble might link their auth status, but that was probably ambitious.
kakobrekla: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 -assets voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.
CryptoKitten: ;;gettrust CryptoKitten
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user PinkPosixPXE to user CryptoKitten: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=PinkPosixPXE&dest=CryptoKitten | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoKitten | Rated since: never
CryptoKitten: bah
kakobrekla: should be able to up yourself now
CryptoKitten: Thank you kakobrekla :)
kakobrekla: yw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0007395 = 8.6522 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.17334305 BTC to 16`335 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
ben_vulpes: !up CryptOprah
ben_vulpes: just cause
ben_vulpes: <mats_cd03> too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable << well enlighten my derpy ass
kakobrekla: buttstamp guys that got 10mio funding for their exchange a while back invested part of that in https://cubesensors.com
assbot: CubeSensors - Improving indoor living
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lol, 'x10' is back!
kakobrekla: hrm?
asciilifeform: and - 'house sensors' are a 'dismal science.'
asciilifeform: phototransistor sensor won't light a room. air quality sensor won't remove pollution. thermometer won't heat the house. hygrometer won't remove humidity. 'shake sensor' won't shoot intruders. etc
asciilifeform: but idiots can Feel 1inf0rm3d!!!11!.
kakobrekla: yeah but whats x10
asciilifeform: x10 << heavily-spamvertized and hyped system of 'home automation' gizmos
asciilifeform: (mainly in usa)
kakobrekla: ah ok
kakobrekla: i was like is ascii telling me something in binary and i have to guess the first bit ??
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, mats_cd03: ease of dependency management, resource isolation, cognitive overhead. i'm dumb and have to deal with crazy complex legacy shit that's most expediently put into 'containers for poor and time constrained engineers'.
ben_vulpes: for instance, different versions of the python imaging library for different services.
ben_vulpes: i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems.
asciilifeform is reminded of a recent trip to a hardware store, where he saw an entire rack of different kinds of 'duct tape', of nominally greater and greater strengths.
ben_vulpes: related to asciilifeform's "must fit in head" problem
kakobrekla: and related to 'which python'
ben_vulpes: hm digitalocean doesn't even bsd
kakobrekla: vultr has freebds
kakobrekla: its a do copy
mats_cd03: there aren't fancy exploits, just more of the same risks as before
mats_cd03: and roughly as easy to shoot self in head.
ben_vulpes: would you enumerate the risks?
ben_vulpes: just a few years ago i was building wafer hosts - there is much i don't know about websec.
mats_cd03: LXC has been battle tested for a few years. containers, decades. seccomp is available in the LXC driver, but not in libcontainer. so, the same risks as before -- arbitrary execution of kernel code. leaking to other containers, lack of fine-grained access to devices (in the works, i belieb)
mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm,
mats_cd03: i forget the rest.
ben_vulpes: riskspace is foreign code on box, exploits of running processes from outside world?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52690 @ 0.00074031 = 39.0069 BTC [+] {5}
thestringpuller: security is keeping it simple maaan
mats_cd03: as usual, yeah.
mats_cd03: hope i'm making sense here... still haven't had coffee yet.
ben_vulpes: i'm getting the gist.
mats_cd03: people struggle with the security practices that result from the way LXC works
mats_cd03: e.g. https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/6616
assbot: Docker security approach encourages privileged containers Issue #6616 docker/docker GitHub
mats_cd03: i'm still learning how docker works, though, so if i'm wrong here people should chime in and tell me so
ben_vulpes: it's been a decent tool for hacking mud, that's about all i know.
thestringpuller: toshi.io uses docker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00074074 = 5.6296 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: but I dunno how much anyone really trusts coinbase
kakobrekla: obviously no person in the world today can claim their system is unbroken.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: one can claim, but there's a trilema for that :P
kakobrekla: :p
asciilifeform: coinbase << the folks who delay transactions to help you get shafted optimally?
kakobrekla: yet they are still not profitable
asciilifeform: only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit'
asciilifeform: as it stays open - someone is paying.
kakobrekla: pile of money to burn through i suspekt
asciilifeform: http://forums.funtoo.org/index.php?/topic/13-new-systemd-dependencies << and yet more phun with systemd.
assbot: New systemd dependencies - Portage Help - Funtoo Linux
asciilifeform: 'Personnel will not be issued a weapon as weapons are not authorized in
asciilifeform: Liberia. The U.S. Embassy, in coordination with UNMIL, does not allow U.S. military to
asciilifeform: carry weapons in Liberia. Personnel are authorized to bring small knives into Liberia
asciilifeform: provided it is packed in their checked luggage.'
asciilifeform: ( http://cryptome.org/2014/10/africom-reporting.pdf )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.73746100 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 325 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: ergo >>> u.s. soldiers sent to the hot zone will be enforcing obola quarantines by... asking politely.
kakobrekla: http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/mastercard-zwipe-fingerprint-contactless-payment-153837
assbot: Mastercard Launches Fingerprint-Enabled Credit Card
bounce: because fingerprints are totally better than passwords. much more seekrit.
bounce wonders if mastercard will stump up the costs for fingerprint surgery in case of fingerprint-theft, or they'll rather just burn the customer instead
Apocalyptic: that's a relevant question
asciilifeform: this is ancient history:
asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept
asciilifeform: that is, the chump can once again be presumed guilty of fraud if he dares to contest a charge, just like in the 'bad old days.'
asciilifeform: burden of proof (to impossible degree) will be on the chump, to show that his fingerprint was lifted.
bounce: rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding
bounce: now, visa and mastercard aren't banks, but they work for banks. which then gives the lie to the premise that banks are safe places for money (or valuables, for that matter) and as such are worthy of the customer's trust
thestringpuller: reminds me of the episode of south park where they frame michael jackson
chetty: didnt the whole fingerprint thing get destroyed recently with iPhone lift?
asciilifeform: chetty: much earlier than that
asciilifeform: the sausage experiment.
chetty: yeah, but that was recent repeat, I guess no one was paying attention
asciilifeform: think of it this way, if fingerprint is your password, you're leaving a 'stickynote' with your password on nearly everything you touch.
mats_cd03: beaten as early as 2002. http://cryptome.org/gummy.htm
bounce: or the brasilian doctors with latex fingers. or the aussie kids with gummi bears. or schaeuble's fingerprints in datenschleuder. or various other demonstrations.
mats_cd03: assbot :(
chetty has low skin oil, they have a hard time getting prints when I go thru immigration :P
bounce: then there's the "yes but we added sensors to check you're alive" -- that doesn't help you once this happens: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm
assbot: BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Malaysia car thieves steal finger
chetty: its pretty funny actually, really annoys those folks that expect the fingerprint scanners to work :)
asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump.
decimation: bounce: not so easy to 'check for life'
bounce: fingers to make it unchangeable, technology to make it infallible. perfect combination, no?
asciilifeform: 'it was your print, therefore it was you, now shuddup'
bounce: even if it was easy, it's pointless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26014 @ 0.00074074 = 19.2696 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think.
asciilifeform: the purpose of biometrics is to protect the system against -you-, rather than you against sc4mz0rz.
chetty: they think?
asciilifeform: fish swim?
bounce: engineers do, make, fix, etc. thinking starts maybe once the tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in the box.
chetty: well to be fair some of them think, but mostly with their bellies and other body parts
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'weapons will not be issued' link is hilarious
bounce didn't find much
asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg
asciilifeform: they do not care if they actually, in physical reality, work. only that the results are considered prima facie evidence that whatever Officially happened - happened.
bounce: fits with the rest of the evidence about the other systems deployed by parties using this
asciilifeform: this is why you see fp readers at usg facilities, in consumer finance, iPnohes, etc.
decimation: asciilifeform: there's an even deeper truth there - the reality is that usg doesn't have the 'People' needed to determine actual truth
decimation: so all they can do is make a cardboard cutout robot of a 'person'
bounce: corollary: since parties deploying this are out to get you, not help you, they should be avoided. or neutralised.
asciilifeform: in as far as the crown goes, 'actual truth' is a matter between you and your gods
bounce: feh. they have the people. they're just wasting resources on big large expensive machines that go 'ping'. they /could/ be hiring people for that money, but they're not.
decimation: true, but at least in the early days the king's men would go out and hear cases, and judge them as they saw fit
bounce: to the point of buying massive amounts of machinery then _leaving much of it crated in storage_
decimation: the 'king's justice' has been watered down to "present your id card"
decimation: bounce: they employ plenty of warm bodies, very few people
bounce: on a somewhat lighter note, compare "state of the art" datacentres with biometric access measures.
asciilifeform: thing is, modern 'rights states' (see some of mircea_popescu's pieces) create a problem - various 'rights' are Officially proclaimed, that, were they actually exercised en masse, would make the entire scamatron collapse overnight.
decimation: bounce: that's glitz that's designed to sell space
asciilifeform: 'unprincipled exceptions' (no you don't get to cross the street if the Fuhrer is within 1km) only go so far.
asciilifeform: here's a little mindfuck, for those still awake:
bounce already had the hunch that we'd be better off with a lot less "rights", but with the ones we do have, properly observed.
decimation: asciilifeform: and when the masses try to call the government to deliver on their promises (revolutionary France) everything collapses
asciilifeform: there were studies which appear to show that fingeprints are not, in fact, as unique as popularly believed
decimation: obligatory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield
assbot: Brandon Mayfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
bounce thinks the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign that el presidente is not in fact in control of the government faculties
asciilifeform: and actual trials where this fact was brought in - and always the crown's side would proclaim - 'this is not a fact because simply inconceivable, law and order would collapse.'
chetty: http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20140808/misis-mess-new-lausd-computer-system-falters
assbot: MiSiS Mess: New LAUSD computer system falters
bounce: hehe. did the judge fall for that ploy?
asciilifeform: what do you think.
mats_cd03: list a few of those trials?
asciilifeform digs
decimation: bounce: the purpose of the security around the president is so the bureaucrats who really run usg can demonstrate their enthusiasm for the current symbol-in-chief
asciilifeform: take the story with a grain of salt, perhaps i hallucinated it. if anyone can find the documents in question, post here.
mats_cd03: on the subject of trials, my research is going swimmingly. roughly 20% finished.
bounce: noteworthy is that in the 100+ years fingerprinting has been in use, there's been something like one limited study (30k fingerprints or so), and that's it.
asciilifeform: ;;google fingerprints not unique
gribble: Why your fingerprints may not be unique - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10775477/Why-your-fingerprints-may-not-be-unique.html>; Law enforcement myth exposed: Fingerprints are not unique ...: <http://www.naturalnews.com/044876_fingerprints_law_enforcement_forensic_science.html>; Is Fingerprint Evidence Sound Science? - ABC News: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: 'justice is incidental to law and order.' (j. e. hoover, famously)
decimation: "The FBI described the fingerprint match as "100% verified". According to the court documents in judge Ann Aiken's decision, this information was largely "fabricated and concocted by the FBI and DOJ". When the FBI finally sent Mayfield's fingerprints to the Spanish authorities, they contested the matching of the fingerprints from Brandon Mayfield to the ones associated with the Madrid bombing."
asciilifeform: http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm
assbot: The Myth of Fingerprints
bounce: all good and well to want to avoid societal collapse, but to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you there is maybe a bit much. the judge's answer thus is a good measure of the quality of the judicial branch
asciilifeform: what judge, in what 20th c. totalitarian state tendril (which is 100% of planet earth as we speak) would dare disagree?
decimation: fingerprints are part of the general 'forensics' pseudoscience that is used as an aid in reducing the number of thinking people required to throw a chump in the gulag
bounce: too few, but I won't wager it'll be zero
chetty: well as soon as there is fingerprint evidence on someone they want to get off
asciilifeform: nah then they magick it away.
asciilifeform: or produce same, for a scapegoat.
decimation: asciilifeform: after all, only experts can make the right 'match'
bounce: fingerprints work reasonably well as criminal corrobating evidence. as soon as that gets forgotten that the matching is taken as a binary guilty decision, then we have guaranteed miscarriages of justice all over
asciilifeform: and not simply a device for fooling jury (not all jurisdictions have jury trials) but for eliciting confession through intimidation (as 'lie detector' was once used for)
decimation: 'lie detector' is still used for this purpose against usg employees
bounce: or, as the case may be, fraud with cards and such
bounce: oh yes, the fbi is still the biggest lie detector fanclub, possibly after scientology
decimation: which means of course that everyone who works for the fbi is a 'believer'
asciilifeform: not necessarily, just willing to undergo the sacrament.
asciilifeform: (see mp's piece on 'methodism')
chetty: jajajaja sacrament, good way of putting it
bounce: to climb up you may have to be a believer
asciilifeform: the 'method' idea is possibly lifted from the jewish tradition (where you are not, in fact, asked to believe in god, but to simply carry out the program, as i understand.)
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but the very least the ses brass and their 'internal affairs' folks are believers (or at least unwilling to pretend otherwise)
asciilifeform: bounce: it is not really necessary to believe in anything to 'climb up.' in fact, it would seriously get in the way.
bounce: they apparently have more intelligent commentary on their own scripture than, oh, islam, or even christianity
decimation: http://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/09/sead-polygraph/
assbot: DNI Issues Directive on Polygraph Policy
bounce: james "least untrue" clapper, wasn't it?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'carry out the program' << yup.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect what's really the case is that once they have gotten to the 'top' bureaucrats come to appreciate their 'right' to interrogate their workforce at will
ben_vulpes: can't speak to the hasids or historically, but definitely in my experience.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00073891 = 8.0541 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'trial by ordeal' - in particular, methods which involve functions of the parasympathetic nervous system, e.g., hot coals or modern 'lie detector' - are ancient.
decimation: I suspect it helps reinforce the 'us vs. them' thing
asciilifeform: and to the degree that there is a function, it is to select for 'cold psychopath' (or whatever the fashionable term for the beast is.)
decimation: asciilifeform: I agree that's the end effect, but in a supposedly 'democratic' government the idea is terrifying
decimation: interestingly I don't think the kgb used polygraphs very much
decimation: http://www.governmentattic.org/6docs/FBI-Monogtaph-SovietUsePolygraph_1981.pdf
asciilifeform: decimation: much of the effect can be accomplished through lower-tech 'human' methods instead.
asciilifeform: afaik most of the use was in order to familiarize men with a torment the enemy was fond of using.
decimation: yeah makes sense
asciilifeform: i'd imagine modern ru has adopted the ritual. just the same as 'everything western' was lifted, for good or ill, in the '90s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16225 @ 0.00073866 = 11.9848 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: lol "As Western intelligence services continued to register successes with the polygraph as a counterintelligence tool, Soviet propaganda on polygraph machines changed from "bourgeois hoaxes" to (tested research devices.)
asciilifeform favours the return of hot coals - cheaper, more effective, more picturesque.
asciilifeform: or the variant where they lick red-hot iron.
asciilifeform: a 'modernized' version of above could have candidates grasp a live wire for a second.
decimation: but asciilifeform - they would lose their excellent taste!
asciilifeform: only if fail.
chetty: perfect, the witch trials, only the innocent drown
decimation: I guess the leidenfrost effect would protect you if done correctly
asciilifeform: not entirely the same thing (though usually presented as similar)
asciilifeform: the coals, red iron, lie detector - actually measure parasympathetic nervous response to stress etc
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: amusing book http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/
assbot: "The Secret Team, The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World"
bounce: I don't even mind fingerprints as such that much -- when used as corroborating evidence established by an expert -- but wholesale fingerprinting of everyone for essentially no reason ("passing customs") and automated "matching" is an enabler for insidious systemic malice that really is a problem on its own.
mircea_popescu: oookay, who wants to code a website for me ?
thestringpuller: mee mee
bounce: <html><head><title>website</title></head><body>[insert text here</body></html>
bounce: there you go
mircea_popescu: you serious ? i didn't know you could code...
mircea_popescu: bounce that's a html page. not quite the same.
thestringpuller: just a website? is it an app...
bounce: well, "websites" typically consiste of "webpages", so yeah.
mircea_popescu: "who wants to make me a car ?" "here's a thing" "mmmkay" "no srsly, cars consist of things"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9806 @ 0.00073807 = 7.2375 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: then you should say "I want functioning car. Ready to drive"
thestringpuller: "No assembly required"
bounce: so what is a website then, but a collection of pages, possibly numbering but one page? in fact, just one page (with loads of unnecessary javascript) is currently the trendy thing
mircea_popescu: jesus #bitcoin-philosophee
bounce: nah, just sloppy spec. care to tighten it up?
mircea_popescu: once i hire someone, yes. spec's all in my head.
bounce: ok. what sort of skills do you expect will be needed to "code" the things that go into making your car?
mircea_popescu: well, just like with every one so far. the ability to roll a bot, the ability to handle gpg logins, produce webpages and maintain a database.
mircea_popescu: mp_requirements.h
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's this ?
mircea_popescu: i ain't tellin!
asciilifeform: ehe.
mircea_popescu: but it's no big deal.
kakobrekla: deedbot v3
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: where'd v2 go
kakobrekla just trollin
mircea_popescu: it is entirely unrelated to deedbot, which from what i understand punkman's almost done with anyway.
mircea_popescu: are ya p ?
thestringpuller: this sounds like a multiperson job ~_~
mircea_popescu: then we need better persons.
mircea_popescu: the minimum bar for b-a coders is, persons for whom this is a one person job.
bounce idly wonders whether a basic heroku instance can be made to maintain an irc connection.
bounce: but then you'd run into the gpg requirement
thestringpuller: is mpex a one person job ._.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i did not say "secure bitcoinz"
kakobrekla: "but its just an app"
kakobrekla: or some shit
mircea_popescu: totally.
kakobrekla: oh i know what it is
mircea_popescu: bounce bot is supy anyway, proly best run a python back-end and interface with gpg in it
kakobrekla: you are building a ddos magnet!
mircea_popescu: but then again, i'm not known to argue about technical choices with technical leads.
asciilifeform: 'this is a one person job' but only mircea_popescu knows which 'this' ... ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so far.
mircea_popescu: hm, i just poured mineral water all over my box
asciilifeform still waiting for an actual computer offered for btc to which to move 'phuctor'
mircea_popescu: should i turn it off now ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: desktop?
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: well floortop
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: what the hell happened to machine-for-btc outfits anyway
asciilifeform: even one remains?
asciilifeform: or is this one of those 'you can't buy coffee with diamonds' affairs ?
mircea_popescu: !up piznit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently sysadmining is also poorly specified or somthin'.
asciilifeform: lol
kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-atm-map/
assbot: Bitcoin ATM Map - Find Your Nearest Bitcoin ATM
kakobrekla: supposedly?
decimation: http://cr.yp.to/talks/2014.10.18/slides-djb-20141018-a4.pdf
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: are these 'bitcoin atm' or simply usg meatprint collectors ?
kakobrekla: usg interested in euro bills?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: map seems to include usa, hence question
kakobrekla: for usg i cant speak
kakobrekla: usg/usa
punkman: is the log down?
kakobrekla: is it down?
asciilifeform: in eu one can set up 'atm' without demanding any account/kyc/etc crap ?
mircea_popescu: !up escu
Escu: up where?
kakobrekla: punkman if you cant open bb and/or logs you might be still banned
Escu: elou. \
kakobrekla: pm me your ip
mircea_popescu: ello
Escu: how's you?
asciilifeform: decimation: good link. (though nothing earth-shattering, excellent primer for n00bs)
mircea_popescu: grand!
mircea_popescu: !s shanti dubai
assbot: 2 results for 'shanti dubai' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shanti+dubai
Escu: grand?
mircea_popescu: Escu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzFaX5k9H0 << how about her tits.
assbot: Ajaz, Shanti Dynamite in 'I Luv Dubai' - YouTube
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah for the n00bs, it contains some informations on timing attacks
mircea_popescu: grand, is very good.
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman's almost done with anyway. << aye, but you know things to bake, cunts to bite
mircea_popescu: do not bite the cunts!
mircea_popescu: that shit hurts
punkman: works for me
Escu: I am not into silicons.
Escu: sowwy
mircea_popescu: hehe
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/descent/
assbot: Descent
Escu: bite only the dicks.
mircea_popescu: that's not nice Escu !
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> in eu one can set up 'atm' without demanding any account/kyc/etc crap ? < for now it seems: yes
punkman: mircea_popescu: oookay, who wants to code a website for me ? << fired client on friday, interested
mircea_popescu: punkman i hold on to it for ye till this deedboit thing's done ?
punkman: sure
mircea_popescu: well then stop biting cunts and get to work!
asciilifeform: 'Advertise 'cryptographic agility'; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this 'agility' justifes using breakable crypto.'
asciilifeform: ( http://cr.yp.to/talks/2014.10.18/slides-djb-20141018-a4.pdf , good piece)
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: can it be not a pdf ?
asciilifeform: if somebody wants to clean it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if it ends up on qntra, i'd read it.
bounce: needs a bit of editing for the re-rep-repe-repete-repetetive parts
mats_cd03: dunno how long it'll last, but for now i can feed USD into 'Lamassu' ATMs in Boston without ID
mats_cd03: i've had difficulty buying more than 1BTC at a time though. it keeps telling me its empty.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 afaf ?
mircea_popescu: lol
mats_cd03: wat
mats_cd03: ;;ud afaf
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Afaf | Afaf. 1) A beautiful green-eyed, fair skin girl with gorgeous dark hair. She is always kind and caring. 2) A women with a beautiful heart and soul. 3) Afaf- Arabic: ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00073662 = 13.5538 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: asking for a friend?
chetty: haha, next they will prove astrology was right all along: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/11171567/Season-of-birth-affects-your-mood-later-in-life.html
assbot: Season of birth affects your mood later in life - Telegraph
BingoBoingo: Continues http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-120
assbot: CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But | Qntra.net
mats_cd03: reads like vexual
mircea_popescu: http://clarobscur.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tga_0016.jpg << talented kid.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 "asking for a friend"
mircea_popescu: as in,
mircea_popescu: 'hey guise, how do you make meth in your kitchen ? afaf"
bounce: then again, should I leave the re-repe-repete-etc. stuff in so someone can make a fancy js thingy out of it?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: i was just thinking... i wonder if in the future the sex domme role and the hacker role will merge,
mircea_popescu: and offer "desktop domination services"
BingoBoingo: bounce: I'm cutting out the stupid repetition from being a bunch of slides
bounce: you're busy with it? oh well.
bounce leaves off the effort then
decimation: yeah that probably 'worked' better with the speech. I wonder if there's a video?
mircea_popescu: you two gotta talk more.
bounce: meh
PinkPosixPXE: I've looked, there's no video that I can find
PinkPosixPXE: it was from the H2HC convention
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
ben_vulpes: paha
ben_vulpes: from the derpotron: https://blocksign.com/
assbot: BlockSign
mircea_popescu: let me guess
mircea_popescu: no, on second thought... nevermind.
PinkPosixPXE: Here's a decent thread that provides some of the cliff notes, and main points (based on some of the viewer's/reader's interpretation) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427
assbot: Making sure crypto remains insecure [pdf] | Hacker News
asciilifeform: blocksign << aha let's have a 'keybase' variant of 'deedbot.' haha.
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE could it not be pdf ?
mircea_popescu: ah i guess you meant the comments huh.
PinkPosixPXE: I've searched far and wide, only a pdf version of his slides, I imagine they were just markers for him. But the commentary in the thread, specifically the first user, bullet points some of the main topics.
PinkPosixPXE: Best I could find, no video/recorded broadcast on the H2HC site or anywhere for that matter. :/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: how are you to fight the usg thusly? << clearly, one who "does not understand how the world works", the highest honor said usg can bestow upon people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00073662 = 11.4544 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Adlai: it's a shitty one if all you do while not starving is waste oxygen <<< oxygen can't really be wasted, it's an atom.
bounce: won't somebody think of the free radicals?
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's us ?
mircea_popescu: the free radicals ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://loper-os.org/pub/bernstein.tar.gz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: enjoy
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427 << gotta love the shitgnomes repeating their mantras of 'it was an accident111!11', 'security is impossibly hard!', 'never roll your own crypto', and other tiresome disinfo.
assbot: Making sure crypto remains insecure [pdf] | Hacker News
undata: asciilifeform: interesting chat concept on the front page of that site; is it yours?
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: which site
undata: asciilifeform: loper.os.org
asciilifeform: ah yes, mine.
undata: bah, close enough on the domain
mircea_popescu: o look, asciilifeform named his site after his intended os. like that temple guy!
asciilifeform: that was the original subject, yes
asciilifeform: and yes, it was actually intended to be an os running on off-the-shelf x86-64 hardware.
asciilifeform assumed that everyone who has seen his site, knew this.
mircea_popescu: never assume!
BingoBoingo: Breaking Opterons do do things they were never intended for
undata: asciilifeform: are you familiar with r9k?
undata: I've seen that used elsewhere to improve chat-quality
asciilifeform: ?
undata: your post makes me think about paying for "infractions" rather than per message
undata: asciilifeform: it's an IRC bot which punishes users for saying sentences that have been said before with exponentially increasing ban duration
undata: you could pay to be un-banned with ever increasing cost
asciilifeform: undata: not the point
undata: asciilifeform: then what is?
mircea_popescu: <undata> asciilifeform: it's an IRC bot which punishes users for saying sentences that have been said before with exponentially increasing ban duration << if only this worked.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Trolls To Get Up To Two Years In Prison Under New Laws, Chris Grayling Announces <<< aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha
mircea_popescu: it has about 0 chances of happening, but it'd be pretty cool if it did lmao
asciilifeform: !s promise protocol
assbot: 3 results for 'promise protocol' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=promise+protocol
asciilifeform: undata: point of gedankenexperiment was to propose a telegraph which is exactly as strong as bitcoin in every technical aspect.
bounce: from the country that brought us fearsome defamation laws, two kinds of online porn blocking, jail penalties on refusing to hand over your passwords, and, oh hey, anti-social behaviour orders... sure it'll happen, and it'll get used too.
asciilifeform: that is, will operate precisely as intended while the latter does.
asciilifeform: undata: the idea, as described on my site, is deadly-simple - no need for server, you 'speak' by sending btc to an address. others 'hear' by seeing what was sent. if the channel owner (owner of privkey to address) decides that you are persona non grata, you never see your coin again. otherwise, it is sent back after a while.
undata: asciilifeform: ah yes, I was merely focusing on the social behavior
undata: I get it
asciilifeform: i am entirely uninterested in any system, however superficially similar, which isn't built on top of actual bitcoin blockchain.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00073651 = 15.5772 BTC [-] {2}
undata: asciilifeform: then you have a positive opinion of using the blockchain for information storage?
asciilifeform: the idea was specifically to show that existing btc protocol is isomorphic to a 'proper chat'
undata: I've heard people gripe about doing that
asciilifeform: bitcoin should be used for whatever is physically possible.
asciilifeform: if it breaks, it was broken from birth
asciilifeform: as in all software.
undata: cool, I agree. I've thought it would be a great place to put magnet links, for example
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm
assbot: Software Does Not Fail
undata: very likely already done
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point. people that hit themselves in the head with a hammer don't write on the accdent report
mircea_popescu: "hammer failure"
mircea_popescu: wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: we allow she-asseteers now ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13102 @ 0.00073648 = 9.6494 BTC [-]
undata: hey, I thought I was named honorary girl yesterday
mircea_popescu: undata gayness doesn't last.
mircea_popescu: it's the original one night stand.
undata: so you're saying there's no future for me with Elon, eh?
undata: tragedy
mircea_popescu: you'll always have mars.
Adlai: bruno?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "People like to call books and films and videos "software." They are not sophisticated." << care to explain ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?! << this was not obvious?
kakobrekla: no
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no. and wtf is "pink posix pixie" supposed to mean ? that she's not pink in the middle like normal women, but on the forehead ?
mircea_popescu: please share your obvious with the group, it's in short supply.
ben_vulpes: http://www.last.fm/user/PinkPosixPXE
assbot: PinkPosixPXEs Music Profile Users at Last.fm
ben_vulpes: could be dog
mircea_popescu: lmao. it's not the girl, it's the dog!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45359 @ 0.00073712 = 33.435 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems. << i guess.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?
mircea_popescu: !up Escu
Escu: the text
Escu: now
mircea_popescu: lmao bitch.
mircea_popescu: 567f290e
Escu: bite me
Escu: so I suppose to write that on my tits?
Escu: ON MY TITS"?
mircea_popescu: sure.
Escu: I dont like that combination
mircea_popescu: disobedient sluts get devoiced.
kakobrekla: would it be better if it started with 'e' and continued with '567f290' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit' << ahaha this'll be fun
Escu: forgive me my wanna be master, can you give me other combination?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla why ?
Escu: because that text will look uhly
kakobrekla: different combination no?
Escu: ugly
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: Escu beauty is a burgeois lie anyway.
Escu: the combination, please my |Master.
Escu: I dont like that
Escu: i like e
Escu: v
Escu: w
Escu: y
Escu: 3
Escu: 8
mircea_popescu: !down Escu
mircea_popescu: internets...
ThickAsThieves: internets internets everywhere and not a drop to drink
mircea_popescu: bounce: rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding << not succeeding in any sense
mircea_popescu: one of the numerous categorical things bitcoin is doing is making such ploys impossible. pre bitcoin, they could have tried to squeeze the market.
mircea_popescu: now, they'd just make us richer.
mircea_popescu: bounce: engineers do, make, fix, etc. thinking starts maybe once the tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in the box. <<< yeah, it's not the job of the engineer to think.
mircea_popescu: *: bounce thinks the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign that el presidente is not in fact in control of the government faculties <<< doh.
mircea_popescu: bounce: all good and well to want to avoid societal collapse, but to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you there is maybe a bit much. the judge's answer thus is a good measure of the quality of the judicial branch << you have to understand that pious fraud was a lot more fashionable in 1914 than it is today
mircea_popescu: part of the reason is post structuralism and deconstructivism. the other part is the internet.
mircea_popescu: in any case, most of the stuff justice relies on to function is actually broken and couldn't stand scrutiny. ironically, the older it is, the more apt it is regarded by the amply conservative mechanism of justice ; yet the more likely to be flawed irretrievavbly
mircea_popescu: as anything made by men who are not cool enough to live with cocksucking sluts is suspect.
mircea_popescu: and so... fingerprints ? lol. but they're being replaced with "dna proof". which IS more selective,
mircea_popescu: but it is much less probative, because so easy to contaminate.
mircea_popescu: all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the 'method' idea is possibly lifted from the jewish tradition (where you are not, in fact, asked to believe in god, but to simply carry out the program, as i understand.) << errything's lifted from judaism.
PinkPosixPXE: My dog only gets to IRC on days of the month that are prime.
xanthyos: the jews seem to be more interested in tradition and ritual than ethics
xanthyos: the chabads anyway
mircea_popescu: what's ethics anyway.
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE so is that you in the pic, actually ?
xanthyos: the "law" of torah
mircea_popescu: unclear wtf it means tho.
PinkPosixPXE: No, it's a girl I captured in a parking lot, and stuffed in my basement...
xanthyos: i think jesus was unclear as well, and that's why he signed a new contract with verizon
xanthyos: i mean god
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE for elon ?
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 << holy shit, i made like a bitcoin selling trilema this month.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
mircea_popescu: im fucking rich
ThickAsThieves: i need to re-up soon i think
ThickAsThieves: omg Blair's Death Rain Habanero Pepper Chips -- totally unnecessary
kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=utC6fyVC
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: (found it on google, i swear)
kakobrekla: also, the lucky winner is mp. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#881402☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 00:09:52; kakobrekla: maybe this one http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#884000
mircea_popescu: lol!
ThickAsThieves: rigged
ThickAsThieves: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v49lnd_73_Y/VDHAes4mE-I/AAAAAAAAY2Q/LHk8IEy65Sw/s1600/10717441_1484100085207702_1335939171_n.jpg
xanthyos: is that from the desk piece halfway through an episode of bill maher?
xanthyos: i gotta tell you i've always been a liberal but the way the left is handling this ebola thing as a race issue makes me fucking crazy
xanthyos: let africa die
mats_cd03: das racist!
undata: "Who would Jesus shoot?" << yes.
xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swvf3w6hcY4
assbot: Let Them DIE!!! - YouTube
undata: an actual outbreak of ebola in the US would be good for this country, though completely unlikely.
undata: I'd love to see our system try to grapple with an actual problem.
xanthyos: i'd love to see the demand for food and fuel plummet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00073831 = 14.7662 BTC [+] {2}
undata: honestly though, people would just assume it was a sign of the end times and double down on irrationality
fivezerotwo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mats_cd03: 18:29:29 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?
mats_cd03: no genuine 0days have been publicised
mats_cd03: and if you have a competent sysadmin it does actually make the developers job easier
fivezerotwo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
fivezerotwo: DDoS round 2 is coming ^.^
mats_cd03: you sure you should be spending your hard earned fry cook dollars on ddos?
mats_cd03: here, have some attention in exchange
undata: mats_cd03: I believe it was a question of why both docker and vm?
undata: or if not, I'm asking.
mats_cd03: separate kernel instances
mircea_popescu: no, that was the question.
undata: mircea_popescu: you get that with host/vm, why docker?
undata: * mats_cd03 ^
undata: I like docker for managing system state; I'm asking what the security value add is above just using the VM directly.
mircea_popescu: even better for "managing system state" would be making the system simpler.
mats_cd03: the VM is for protecting you from docker, nto the other way around
mircea_popescu: so basically it's crud.
mats_cd03: its not known to not be crud.
mats_cd03: hasn't existed for long enough.
undata: mircea_popescu: docker does run the risk of merely snapshotting the wad of mess and saying "ok, this wad worked, kind of" rather than actually understanding system state
mircea_popescu: no, i odn't mean its actual composition. i mean its design.
mircea_popescu: it comes from the cloacal opening of an intestine.
mircea_popescu: undata how would a script "understand the system state" once you actually need it to do so ? (ie, you no longer do)
fivezerotwo: irccloud looks like this: sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo
fivezerotwo: wrong chan sorry
xanthyos: where's the exit door from the chapel perilous?
ben_vulpes: undata: i see no security value add.
undata: mircea_popescu: You can make changes to a docker by hand, then make an image from that. It's better to stick to your Dockerfile, but you don't have to.
ben_vulpes: i see only abstractions that help manage one set of complexities while making more complexities.
ben_vulpes: undata:
mats_cd03: http://www.acsac.org/2010/openconf/modules/request.php?module=oc_program&action=view.php&a&id=69&type=2 << the honeymoon effect and the role of legacy code in 0day vulns
mats_cd03: more PDFs, sorry mp.
undata: ben_vulpes: system config should be built into the OS, and each act of changing it should leave a snail trail
ben_vulpes: immutable os when
undata: all these config management systems are trying to fix the bustedness of linux
ben_vulpes: or
ben_vulpes: write-tracking os when
mircea_popescu: fivezerotwo load average: 0.57, 0.31, 0.31 /me shrugs.
mats_cd03: immutability is one of the design mitigations in docker
mats_cd03: forces devs to do some programming gymnastics with /noexec
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes put it on a read-only flash, immutable enough.
mats_cd03: 19:45:29 <+fivezerotwo> irccloud looks like this: sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo << kek
undata: ben_vulpes: WAL log, postgres-as-OS :p
mats_cd03: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mats_cd03', with hostmask 'mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None
fivezerotwo: mircea_popescu, relax, this will come in waves ;_;
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's usually how they come when i'm involved.
mats_cd03: fivezerotwo: planning on targeting me? you've got my attention now
kakobrekla: hm actually
kakobrekla: can you throw all you got at logs and keep it at full as long as you can?
mircea_popescu: lmao HEY!
mircea_popescu: stop hitting on my ddosfriend!
kakobrekla: i really wonder if host will start to bitch at some point
mircea_popescu: absentee host ?
kakobrekla: mhm
fivezerotwo: mats_cd03, later ;; kakobrekla digitalocean does at some point, but they are one of the more resilient hosts
kakobrekla: so you are saying a no?
kakobrekla: cause your botnet is too pussy?
mats_cd03: k pm me when you dox
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinfloor-to-raise-capital-meanwhile-nefario-has-left/
kakobrekla: lol nefario still alive