cazalla: don't remember hearing anything or anyone mentioning he left/was pushed from coinfloor
Namworld: I wasn't aware he was staying in the space when he axed GLBSE.
assbot: MiniUPnP download zone
mats_cd03: fivezerotwo: youre gonna have to burn a 0day, if you even have access to those, mate
mats_cd03: youre a cool dude for messing with people that lead public lives on the internets
fivezerotwo: so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes
fivezerotwo: don't worry, there are plenty of less protected targets ;_;
assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 387.79, Best ask: 388.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 387.85, 24 hour volume: 3180.14467158, 24 hour low: 385.0, 24 hour high: 394.25, 24 hour vwap: 389.421666807
kakobrekla: space missing in the last paragraph before 'Set'
jurov: Nefario said: Once you've been labelled a scammer, people are encouraged to deal with you << lol I missed "not" at first
jurov: ben_vulpes: you really ned upnp? just axe it in da makefile
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building
jurov: follow its desires?
jurov: you'd prefer to whip it in shape,eventually add -fstack-protector if you got decent compiler
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> "Nefario" was STILL around? << yes, the "foundation" scammer group is looking after its own
mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes <fivezerotwo> mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this << i suppose this is the ultimate endorsement or something ?
jborkl: So, there are two companies going btc belly up I have never even heard of
jborkl: One bankrupted the other , ala week and bitfunder
jborkl: I guess moolah had a codind error that allowed you withdraw double what you deposited
mats_cd03: b-but, he's willing to sign an address with 1000btc in it
mats_cd03: ill be impressed if he can compromise irccloud and dox me
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
mats_cd03: my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing.
mats_cd03: !up ninjashogun 20:47:42 <ninjashogun> I have an important convo to pastebin with fivezerotwo
assbot: <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm - Pastebin.com
ninjashogun: I just notice htat he's also being discussed in channel here now. (Someone pointed this out to me.) At first I assumed MP to have paid for this out of some weird strategy (since I came to MP with a small project recently, maybe he wanted to know if I still needed small amounts of money, etc.) But I thought you guys should see it.
jurov: so i came to the systemd stuff in the lawgs .. and
jurov: ;;isup lists.debian.org
mats_cd03: i appreciate the contribution to drama ninjashogun
ninjashogun: I was just referring to the bottom lines. <fivezerotwo> im just trolling you dude <fivezerotwo> we're being paid to troll you (and then he disconnected)
ninjashogun: Anyway it's not how anyone does business. Please don't do this.
BingoBoingo: Well he's DOS'ing stuff from in here so he's probably getting paid by someone from elsewhere
ninjashogun: nobody would pay anyone to troll me from anywhere except here :)
assbot: <ninjashogun> If you have anyhting to do with this (see bottom of conversatoin) - Pastebin.com
ninjashogun: Do you guys know what his other WoT rating was that he referred to?
mats_cd03: man, if hes being paid to troll, 10USD is not nearly enough for a ddos
jurov: no, it's nobody from here. as i wrote just above, indices lead to lennart poettering
undata: "and a ninja like me." haaa
jurov: it's revenge for us bashing the systemd
jurov: ;;isup lists.debian.org
jurov: asciilifeform today's log says debian's supposedly voting to allow compatibility outside systemd
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1496584.23 in 1911 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 218.73
jurov: i'm sure they will include some ddos functionality into systemd bery soon
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 15700.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 47.27 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.75 TH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19963 @ 0.00073769 = 14.7265 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1606600.93 in 1900 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 242.16
assbot: Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa - Defense One
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8174.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 52.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.69 TH/s
undata: asciilifeform: "but government guidelines prevent hospitals from using it to actually screen for Ebola." whaaaaa
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:21:08; asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:25:38; asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)
undata: "The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met."
undata: wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance?
undata: asciilifeform: "On October 10th, the FDA has granted emergency use authorization to three screening system called Ebola Zaire Target1, which was also developed with help from the Defense Department" << BioFire just isn't in the in-group, I'd wager
kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing. << silly thing to put a price on. sort-of like making teens think losing their virginity is a big fucking deal.
mircea_popescu: it isn't, and they get caught all up in that process as if it were something.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm <<< ahahahaha wut.
mats_cd03: i suppose better dox would be ssn, physical addr, phone number, banking info, and data on people in my RL WoT
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8253.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 60.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
mats_cd03: could try ruining my credit but i don't care about that
mircea_popescu: undata> wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance? << YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS PUTIN!
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 255 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 193
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20613 @ 0.00073935 = 15.2402 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: id be rly impressed if he could manage dox seeing as how i pay up my bouncer with a prepaid card
mats_cd03: i do my best not to think about the dongs that have been in my wife
mircea_popescu: Almost all AES implementations use fast lookup tables. <<< o, what ever could be the problem with lookup tables wink wink
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 18:02:43; mircea_popescu: in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 17:18:46; mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46539): 0 hour(s), 0 minutes
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2110783.64 in 1844 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 349.54
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00073887 = 15.036 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: What if the terrorists hear about fast secure crypto? Yikes! Similar to constant-time story. Don’t standardize good crypto. Discourage use of good crypto. If the good crypto persists, try to bury it behind a huge menu of bad options. Advertise “cryptographic agility”; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this “agility” justifies using breakable crypto.
mircea_popescu: here's the scoop : if the usg does not standardize good crypto, mp WILL. and the result wil be that mp's standards will drive the nist out of the market.
mircea_popescu: no amount of thumbing nose and general pretense is going to help. mpxxx will drive usgxxx anything out of the market. period and full stop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75504 @ 0.00073554 = 55.5362 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: there are NO degrees of liberty left for the evil government, in any field.
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 255 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64
assbot: fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home GitHub
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10658.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 63.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
undata: asciilifeform: that only fixes the one that's a "feature" if I recall
diametric: assbot: i think the fix-macos part of the url is more of a plea
atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 23835136 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 8.88
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 254 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64
mike_c: 24m atc in existence. took 2m to take price to 1
mike_c: atc? shit, guess i gotta read logs faster.
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
diametric: asciilifeform: is there an incident that started the discussion? all i see here is a lot of "using docker insecurely is insecure."
diametric: running processes as root requires root. news at 11.
mircea_popescu: diametric maybe it was my question, originally. ie, why would you add more to the list.
assbot: Logged on 20-10-2014 01:16:57; kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping
diametric: mircea_popescu: to which list are you referring?
mircea_popescu: diametric> running processes as root requires root. news at 11. <<
mike_c: somehow i misunderstood based on bingo's continued involvement and the renting of the hashpower.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10149.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 61.45 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00073526 = 17.7198 BTC [-]
diametric: asciilifeform: docker's purpose isn't security per se. an escape can be irrelevant. if anything its a nice system for compartmentalizing your system and preventing the pollution of your filesystem with random libraries needed by a single application.
mircea_popescu: seems kinda clear. who's going to spend a coupla btc to get it back out of the hole ?
diametric: asciilifeform: now if you're relying on docker to be a jail for the purposes of security, than that alone isn't ideal.
mike_c: ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out
diametric: its like a jail + management system on top of it
diametric: what you end up with is an image you can use on any linux running docker, be it ubuntu, gentoo, arch or lfs.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out < my thought was its the 60th guy
diametric: i'd still be highly interested in learning about potential escapes though
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 49 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64
jurov: so.. does this docker thing work with grsec and makes easier chroots with readonly-bind-mounted stuff?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2233457.32 in 1819 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 375.66
diametric: what makes it docker is the whole management infrastructure around it
atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@4 800k@3 2M@2
jurov: after some googling, no it isn't working smoothly with grsec. as expected from #devops
atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@5 1M@4 800k@3
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8600.13 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 49.11 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
mircea_popescu: the ispace assholes was the thing that "didn't work" and nobody was answering, back when we were looking for a pool, was it ?
BingoBoingo: Ispace came in at that time, but it wasn't reporting crap when i pointed hash at it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a bunch of smartass miners are going to hurt once their coinbases finally mature.
mircea_popescu: "o, we're too special to mine helpfuly, we gotta be smarter than the britches allow"
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2300244.77 in 1806 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 389.89
assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 544k@49 | 50k@10 1M@5 1M@4
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 10 Ask: 49 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2191k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 55
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9946.92 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 34.78 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
decimation: re: docker << my understanding is that it's pretty much a chroot jail combined with some cpu and ram and network limits
decimation doesn't use docker, probably never will
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so there's at least three different parties attacking, seeing how it went from 60 to 50 then to 35
BingoBoingo: No, you need to get these mother fucking snakes off of the motherfucking plane
decimation: I assume folks are logging incoming ips?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10497.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 21.55 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46592): 0 hour(s), 2 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00073466 = 42.1695 BTC [-] {4}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2381419.13 in 1788 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 407.17
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10604.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat
undata: well, that's as long as you're taking your colloidal silver too
assbot: Big increase in surgery to mend flesh tunnel earlobes | Life and style | The Observer
undata: cazalla: that'll be big here in portland I'm sure
undata: what a hideous practice
assbot: Lip plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they can use the extra material to give the woman a new hymen too
ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> lol dude operates a mixer. /// probly part of the trap
RagnarDanneskjol: yea pool's still going. I was under impression it was for amusement purposes / didn't realize it had any particular value
RagnarDanneskjol: 51% attack would be a cinch too - especially with majority of hashing on p2pool
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1BTC if you throw me some rank, you can send me pictures of your titties as well, with a string of text written on them. ;)
nubbins`: found my OLPC xo-1 from back in 2007
nubbins`: they're actually still updating everything
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't upload files, dir not writable
cazalla: at least not via wordpress anyway
cazalla: dunno, i used pos file manager in cpanel so doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: a i think wordpress has a narrow size limit, may be 1mb or somethign
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1 BTC, same deal, if you provide me with some WOT rank, and if you want to do some personal shots, with a string of my choice, that's highly encouraged as well.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.
PinkPosixPXE: except, it's not a competition, you just get the 0.1 BTC
assbot: digitalBTC Release September Quarterly Report | Qntra.net
othernubs`: but without competition, we have nothing
PinkPosixPXE: well if you all want to compete, that's fine too. But I'd secure the 0.1 for mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: cazalla i dun get it. how exactly they earned 6k btc ?
mircea_popescu: not through that entire mintsy bs, "allowing people to add their computers" to the... world's largest first and best exchange nobody uses
gribble: Current Blocks: 326129 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36016235848.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.89623
gribble: Error: "bc,hash" is not a valid command.
cazalla: they've done a few million dollar deals with bitfury, so they claim anyway, i don't know who is jewing who anymore
mircea_popescu: cazalla somehow i have trouble believing this story, but hey.
cazalla: well the zhenya guy apparently is russian mafia
cazalla: who knows though, guy had puff daddy perform for his missus at her birthday bash
mircea_popescu: weren';t we discussing a month or so ago the unfortunate affairs of a puff daddy promoter, ended up in jail for fraud ?
cazalla: anyway, i'm not claiming it's factual, they are and it's what they submitted to asx, i find it interesting to follow this lot though
cazalla: it is published on the asx so just as good
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 8 seconds
cazalla: the company never gives specific information as to whether they mine on their own or part of a pool or how much hashing power they have
cazalla: so is it problematic to continue posting about them? i'm not claiming what they published is legit, it's more just to cover what they claim until such time it's proven to be a fraud
cazalla: and not much news around today either
punkman: ;;isitup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
punkman: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
mircea_popescu: cazalla well no, since they filed and etc it's solid news.
punkman: "We're just sending you a courtesy e-mail to let you know that the funds you deposited into your Envato Market account some time ago are about to expire."
punkman: "Envato expires cash deposits automatically after one year as a small percentage of users leave money in their account for long periods of time and cannot be contacted. Unfortunately Envato cannot be responsible for holding cash for indefinite periods"
mircea_popescu: cazalla so if they bought 4.5Ph from bitfury that'd have cost them about
mircea_popescu: "CloudFlare is a venture-funded startup that routes around Internet abuse by acting as a reverse proxy." wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: this looks and feels like that "steve gibson research" nut.
cazalla: i think they claim they spent 2.5m with bitfury
mircea_popescu: they didn't get gear to mine 6k bitcoins in 3 months for 2.5mn from bitfury, that's certain.
mircea_popescu: either they're lying about the bitcoins incoming, or they're paying a 5-10% to rent hashes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, see if the russian mobster puff daddy guy is willing to give you an interview. you got at least 10 decent q's to ask him in here.
cazalla: here we go "One such customer is the Australian stock market listed Digital BTC6, which purchased mining hardware from BitFury in March, May and August ((March and May purchase was a $2 million investment, August was $1.3 million.) of 2014.
cazalla: so 3.3m to earn 6k in past quarter
cazalla: which is probably why they don't get specific about hashing power, where they mine etc etc
cazalla: i think they probably get the extra from skimming cloudhashing customers
cazalla: plus they claimed to have sold old hardware and rent out 10% or 15% of their own hashing power
mircea_popescu: but anyway, my earlier figures were based on a june buy.
mircea_popescu: nethash back then was just about 25 ph total. like fuck they bought 1/5th of the network and nobody knew.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2345.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 8.00 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1854543.95 in 1717 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 294.96
punkman: BingoBoingo, is the vicious diff cycle gonna repeat there?
assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net
assbot: 'It's Not the Shark's Fault': Aussie Teen Surfer Laughs After Shark Bites Her Leg
cazalla: punkman, a wobbegong is nothing like a great white
cazalla: those and port jackson sharks bite cunts all the time
punkman: cazalla: I wouldn't know, no sharks around here
cazalla: sorta like thinking a manul is a tiger
assbot: Poor kids who do everything right don’t do better than rich kids who do everything wrong - The Washington Post
cazalla: "Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7
punkman: young brains need input, I suppose that's good
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
cazalla: yeah, i've read to my son almost every day since he was born, teach him basic sign language as well but he just turned 9 months and is yet to use it, i've read the bright kids usually pick it up sooner
bounce: mix in some foreign languages while at it
chetty: kids won{t communicate unless they need to, are you over helpful?
cazalla: bounce, my parents never taught me :\ chetty, sorta have to be helpful with a 9 month old, least in my limited experience, can't cook his own meal or get the titty ready
cazalla: anyway, that's qntra downunder signing off, another beer and zzz, i'm sure qntra US and A will be on soon
jurov: ;;isup bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: bitcoin-assets.com is down
assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
fluffypony: "Many apologies for my personal absence recently and the drop in communications it has contributed to. Unfortunately I have experienced my own period of illness, which came on quite suddenly, over the past ten weeks."
fluffypony: if he means it came on quite suddenly and then lasted 10 weeks...well damn, son, I'd be in ICU
fluffypony: the worst I ever had in my entire life was this crazy hayfever where I hardly left my bed for 4 weeks and my nose poured buckets
fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once
assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
assbot: Thanks to all who notified us of the /hashtag/mintpal?src=hash coins.
https://t.co/nH85upTbMW We are vigilant on not let them pass through /hashtag/Bitstamp?src=hash
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1958.96 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.02 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1379402.06 in 1654 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 193.77
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
atcbot: 50k@248 44k@245 5k@241 | 50k@44 100k@41 200k@35
assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph
chetty: jajajaja good one, now thats a way to curb gubermint spending
ThickAsThieves: “The Bank of England has identified a technical issue related to some routine maintenance of the RTGS payment system and has paused settlement while we resolve it,” a statement from the Bank said.
assbot: IBM Pays GlobalFoundries $1.5 Billion To Shed Its Chip Division - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: IBM Continues to confound people with the question of "What do they still DO?
ThickAsThieves: "China got its first official shipments of new iPhones last week, but a new report from web censorship watchdog Great Fire indicates Chinese users may be facing an unpleasant surprise when they try to connect to Apple services at large. As of last night, the Chinese firewall is blocking all local connections to iCloud.com, redirecting those connections to a dummy site designed to look
assbot: China may be hacking every iPhone user in the country – Quartz
bounce: oh, they're going through with it? could've had your own chip fab and gotten 1.5bn in the deal too
ThickAsThieves: so my guess is this week wall st's party line will be that everything's okay, markets recover XX% of what was lost last week in a few days, then next week new lows
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073843 / 0.00074163 (1477276 shares, 1,090.88 BTC), 7D: 0.00073316 / 0.00073791 / 0.00074368 (7811540 shares, 5,764.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.00074319 / 0.00075684 (25376564 shares, 18,859.76 BTC)
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I dunno, Obola seems to even be surpressing MPOE
ThickAsThieves: get mom n pop to ignore their investments a bit longer
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12347 @ 0.00074163 = 9.1569 BTC [+]
chetty: ThickAsThieves, me thinks gus is running out of that sort of gas, ma n pa is starting to notice
assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.57, Best ask: 384.58, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 383.5, 24 hour volume: 9973.42180721, 24 hour low: 376.2, 24 hour high: 392.0, 24 hour vwap: 382.624714469
Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration
chetty: well this sort of thing isn't about getting married, its about pushing agenda
gribble: Current Blocks: 326176 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 415 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 42 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35676954134.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.92693
Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role
Adlai: people can be "VP Operations", "VP Executions", etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00074168 = 3.325 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla proclaims itself for CEO of the CEO association
Adlai: and at board meetings, the CEO chair remains empty, like for the prophet Elijah
mircea_popescu: assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net << ok, this i don't get.
mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ?
mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7 << after about 7 or so that's unhealthy.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Is there a trilema article handy detailing your child rearing tips?
mircea_popescu: you invested in the craig dude ? i mean anything other than the lulz
mircea_popescu: TomServo are you setting me up ? yeah, i know, i got no kids bla bla. but i speak for the romanian school of psychology, pre 1990 god damn it. i know shit.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I've noticed you have a quite a few is all.
kakobrekla: > Now available on Bloomberg Terminal due to customer demand < just love this, 'all seven users wrote to us that they heard of bloomberg sometime someplace'
mircea_popescu: yeah. but i never really wrote about it because well... that'd be the end of days, mp mommy blogger.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know bloomberg terminals are still widely used. 50k or so i'd guess.
kakobrekla: yeah well, the only reason they are on bloomber is because of <h1>forex</h1> on frontpage.
mircea_popescu: nah, just go to some people that aren't mp offer them .1 btc for whatever and you're in.
mircea_popescu: anyway, after the entire "we're built with security in mind from the ground up and also please everyone send btc to this address and we'll sort it out later" adventure, and then lying about it...
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once << fuck 4 weeks ? i'm throwing a conniption fit in the third motherfucking day
mircea_popescu: i've never been sick for a week straight nor do i think it possible.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports << now that is news! got a BingoBoingo in da haus ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, it's in the cue after I finish the next piece
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla here's your finders fee for the intel article
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna write it up ? or... make the woman do it ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the less of it he has to do, the more of it he can do, ya know ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and lemme guess, currently being workt on is assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph ?
assbot: IBM Pays To Divest Chip Business | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: Ah, then now writing Housing market stalls as payments stop
mod6: find any real btc news on the net still
assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom
mod6: << bah. anyway, all the real news is on irc.
mircea_popescu: mod6 will be fined five ounces of lead and an ounce of ink
mircea_popescu: *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration << details, details. it's the united states of methodical hypocrisy anyway, they don't get married to be married, they get married to get the paperwork.
mircea_popescu: education, work, everything the same. they don't buy shoes to have shoes, they buy shoes for the other people to see they got shoes.
assbot: Warren Buffett losing over $1 billion on IBM - MarketWatch
mircea_popescu: BUT the dynamism embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.
mircea_popescu: Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: With this tailwind working for us, Charlie and I hope!!!11
bounce: .oO( god blesses america, doesn't he? )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00074028 = 20.0246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so as to what, cover a career built on a deserved reputation for insight under a pile of senile ridicule ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role <<< welcome to mpex in 2011 :)))
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you have some background information on bitcoinshop.us
assbot: Bitcoin Shop Announces Formation of Advisory Board
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. and then broke it. i still have my backpack they proxied from china tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17404 @ 0.00073928 = 12.8664 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: meh, that voting system i did there was broked. and i fixed it 3 times and its still broked.
assbot: Bank of England Payment Settlements Offline: Home Purchases Impossible | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: thats the inherit property, cant get tired of it.
kakobrekla: it is what it is now. up what you like, ignore what you dont, should be ok, over time.
kakobrekla: speaking of this, rating systems are a science of its own
kakobrekla: and i have nfi what would be best here
mircea_popescu: they are a science, and hardly worth the effort given that w/e, it's just bash quotes
chetty: masochist = synonym with programmer, right?
mircea_popescu: libertardian hello brother. are you here to help me turn the tide and breach through the oppressive injustice these ancap redpiller types keep weaving ?
thestringpuller: what are redpillers? people who saw the matrix and think it's real?
assbot: Please take your pills. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mthreat: and i thought the matrix was real
mircea_popescu: well pua has a major disadvantage for your run of the mill usian : it's falsifiable, like a science.
mircea_popescu: they need stuff more like SOCIAL sciences, ie, talkradio. so they came up with this unfalsifiable version that's all yak, no actual anything.
mircea_popescu: course it doesn't deal with cunt anymore except in the meta, but that's really okay for the demo.
thestringpuller: ugh. this reminds me of college which was just high school 2.0
thestringpuller: "We can't get laid. Lets over analyze it to see why girls won't touch our penises"
mircea_popescu: wtf, wait a second, georgia tech is a major party school.
mircea_popescu: "Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party… If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!"
thestringpuller: Oh yea. One second there was 1 fraternity that was very "rape-y"
thestringpuller: "If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it.s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imag
thestringpuller: Yea the girls at Tech are feminist so that email didn't go down too well.
thestringpuller: even though 1 out of every 3 girls found at a fraternity party is looking to hook up
mircea_popescu: wtf, why else is she there ? to get out of the atlanta rain ?
thestringpuller: But really, I hung out with a fraternity brother once who said he hooked up with a girl who didn't know she had a clitoris.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, what bros say about women may or may not be indicative of women.
thestringpuller: Not saying it's fact, just plausible given my tenure at the plpace.
thestringpuller: UGA, when school is in, is like Mini Mardi Gras every weekend.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074178 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Football games there leave the city of Athens looking like the Greece Athens right nao
mircea_popescu: well fuck me, maybe i was confusing one with the other
mircea_popescu: dude perspective's a bitch. it's almost like you can make no useful judgement about anything of note from having spent half a weekend in some rnadom town
assbot: Bitcoin Blocksize Economics: Gavin is Wrong - Coin Brief
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 44 Ask: 241 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2736k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 54
mircea_popescu: "Coin Brief is Your Open Source for Digital Currency News, and was formed in April 2014. Since that time it has quickly grown, and is becoming THE hub for digital currency news, information, and tools." ooookay ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00074182 = 10.6859 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: I have not seen danielkrawsiz.
gribble: DanielKrawisz was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <DanielKrawisz> Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28052 @ 0.000742 = 20.8146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell DanielKrawisz "The real issue here is that Bitcoin is almost certainly not sustainable if the block size remains limited to 1 Mb. " << nobody agrees with this idiocy.
ThickAsThieves: "read it. Was it reviewed by any actual economists? Mine was by five, are we all wrong?" ~gavin
mircea_popescu: just as well you might be saying "the world wil not be sustainable if there's not more social justice"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: It's the only other article I found disagreeing with Gavin.
mircea_popescu: it may be fashionable AMONG IDIOTS, it's neither true nor important.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, usgavin is pulling out the "your shit's not usg certified" card.
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp-a-derp, such a valid argument that is, really.
mircea_popescu: perhaps we "just don't understand how the world works".
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone wants to ask gavin anything, you've got plenty of material in here.
mircea_popescu: "Why are you lying ?" is a good start. "Why are you acting as if Bitcoin were a USG project ? It's not, you are."
bounce: not unusual for scores of economists to be all wrong together
mircea_popescu: bounce that's not even it. is he genuinely proposing that the bar for corectness is finding 5 "actual" economist sto agree,
mircea_popescu: because out of the fifty billion idiots that are nevertheless certified as economists by the us paper mill
mircea_popescu: never has it happened that more than 4 were in agreement on any piece of idiocy
mircea_popescu: nor could it, for structural reasons he's omitted to explain ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no. that is pushing things the wrong way.
mircea_popescu: because then he can give 5 names and make it look like he answered something.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less if five popes signed on his stupidity.
mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that gavin is trying to paint the box for the discussion.
mircea_popescu: and WE won't admit this theory where "econoimists" matter.
mircea_popescu: they didn't make bitcoin. they don't get to join later on and get a seat at the table.
ThickAsThieves: so he can be like 'ok ok gais, we'll only do 10% size per year, no shaddup'
mircea_popescu: an economist wants to be an economist, 6 months on the logs and tit pictures.
Namworld: I found a food wholesaler in the middle of the city, industrial looking building. It's like entering some fish factory or something. Things look old, a bit unclean. Looks like a factory filled with supplies.
Namworld: Best shopping experience I've ever had tho...
bounce: you like shopping in fish factories?
mircea_popescu: so, anyway. questions. "What makes you think getting the okay of five anon products of the US diploma mill has any bearing ? Bitcoin wasn't made by "economists"
Namworld: Apparently. But it was just an example, didn't really smell of fish.
bounce: is it lying if he doesn't know better?
assbot: Large M-class flare now &climbing! /hashtag/hamradio?src=hash blackout, /hashtag/GPS?src=hash, satellite phone& i-net issues next 1+hr esp W.Hemisphere
http://t.co/XDx4g2mRrj mircea_popescu: if he doesn't make sure he knows any better first, that's the culpable act.
mircea_popescu: anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?
Namworld: You know what I mean. Stuff not kept in perfect condition, lighting not very bright. Lots of spillage/uncleaned stuff. Rust/dirty walls.
Namworld: It looks like an actual warehouse, not a "warehouse" supermarket.
assbot: Circle Submits Comments to NYDFS on Proposed BitLicense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00074216 = 15.7746 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: so you still get to buy stuff by less than a full distribution box?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who knows, maybe they learn to not pdf.
Namworld: Yes. They wrote what could be bought in single quantity. Opened boxed and unopened ones. Usually a discount for whole boxes and half boxes.
Namworld: I mostly went to check for meat/fishes to fill my freezer.
bounce: complete powertrip for the regulation peeps. "oh, new thing, money-ish. let's r e g u l a t e" -- and then just sit back and watch the companies affected fall over themselves to submit to not-even-existing-yet regulations
mircea_popescu: fucking shocking, 5 "actual" economists found that agree inflation is a good idea, and if anything is naturally uninflationary, adding it in is the tits.
bounce: the regulators really don't care what they're regulating, as long as they can make you dance on their regulation strings. what are we regulating this thing for again?
mircea_popescu: bounce yup. which is why the "you seem to have omitted suckling my penis, son" is the right approach.
mircea_popescu: anyway, got a meeting. we can resume usgavin and the five fail dwarves discussion later.
Namworld: idk why I never looked for one before. I'd recommend. It's just better.
bounce: cherry-picking your economists, sort-of like cherry-picking your data, but not quite.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not playing this stupid game. he wants to ama, he can come here.
bounce: somebody might drop the hint there
assbot: The Optimal Block Size | Bitcoinist.net
bounce: really don't feel like reading the entire circle thing. the headlines read reasonable but eg. the bit about aml merely says "aml doubleplus good. we happy to aml for you. you want even more aml than the feds, no good." which is a bit weak.
ThickAsThieves: itd be unreasonable to ask for special treatment for less reg
bounce: it's the only way out, actually
bounce: look here, the guy's proposing lots of regs so he can make his mark on history. then he can do one of two things: more regs, recommending less regs. what he cannot possibly do is keep regulatory levels the same as federal requirements because that deprives him of making his mark on history.
bounce: this goes even if it's the only possible choice. that it isn't, because the aml regs already make little sense and even more stringent rules therefore can only make even less sense.
bounce: so what's going to happen is there'll be some toning down on this proposal to show heart to the community and all that, but we still end up with more rules than already required. and in a few years the whole thing becomes obsolete because unworkable. there goes the mark on history.
nubbins`: "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here."
nubbins`: altho he did incorrectly quote.
nubbins`: i think the <<< indicating reply wasn't picked up
nubbins`: so it seems like he said the whole thing, when in fact it was a comment on something you said
nubbins`: but hey, that variety speak 8)
thestringpuller: What size was the one that was being worn in the proof shot you send me?
thestringpuller: well there was one where someone was wearing the physical shirt (i think it was your wife?)
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: it's still up on the press now, otherwise it'd be a bit extra
nubbins`: shipping is w/e the postage said last time ;D
nubbins`: didn't print the postage for that one at home
nubbins`: i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00074128 = 33.2093 BTC [-]
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1070.19 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.32 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> someone is sane? << apparently it's possible
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> in the end, current regs already do apply <<< ahahah what ?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers
mircea_popescu: what they opine as to how either of those should work, well... i'm a believer in free speech just as much as the next guy.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40 << llol. isn't thiks true of like, 90% of all postage ever ?
nubbins`: i can send a flat-packed poster to nottingham for the same price i can send a dozen shirts to china
nubbins`: if there's logic in that, i can't find it
nubbins`: worse voodoo than airline seat pricing
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13906 @ 0.00074128 = 10.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: 21 Top Bitcoin and Digital Currency Companies Endorse New Digital Framework for Digital Identity, Trust and Open Data
bounce: buzzwords and marketeerspeak, aka smoke and mirrors. what's the substance?
assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closing in 4 hours 4 minutes | weight: 115 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value
mircea_popescu: what could possibly be wrong with infinite blocks . pdf
bounce: didn't really adress that, did he? not the only thing he glosses over.
mircea_popescu: the worst part of it being that you know, he KNOWS about this place.
mircea_popescu: could have avoided being stupid in public by just asking.
bounce: curious really how the difficulty gets adjusted automatically but the size limit, implying a maximum number of transactions per second, isn't.
mircea_popescu: well, curious how the car moves forward, but not realy upward.
mircea_popescu: gotta have some fixed points to have a working equilibrium
mircea_popescu: if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess.
bounce: postmodern us is full of silly arbitrary limits; it's not a natural equilibrium
mircea_popescu: this prolly warrants an in depth discussion. like what ?
bounce: not that blocksize elasticity is automatically a good idea. it opens up an avenue for attack to push the smaller players out
mircea_popescu: that'd be unrelated. can we discuss one thing at a time ?
bounce: hm? how, oh, aml/kyc stuff causes banks to be happy to kick clients out that cause regulatory headaches. why are banks supposed to be policing their clients again?
mircea_popescu: so far what i got from your position is, "curious how the market adjusts the price of the oil barrel, but not what a barrel consists of"
bounce: or that whole spiel with the cows and the senator
mircea_popescu: yes, it has to work that way. some things gotta be fixed.
bounce: to the point that fixing the points becomes its own game, and they're "fixed" in the sense that a happy few get to move the goalposts but they're not moving any less. they are pretty much guaranteed to be suboptimal, though.
mircea_popescu: which is what "if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess." is saying.
bounce: was under the impression you were referring to a non-meta-game situation
mircea_popescu: anyway, "blocksize elasticity" and all the rest of the derpage is trying to turn bitcoin into whatever, xrp, nxt, whatever the hell.
mircea_popescu: if those things actually worked, they wouldn't have blown up.
bounce: those have variable-sized blocksize limits and that caused them to blow up?
bounce hasn't really kept up there
mircea_popescu: no, but they've had "we know shit and we have economists" dev teams
mircea_popescu: looking at things from a distance always helps. "oh, you wish to tell me that if we make this bar so that anyone can come in and not pay a cover charge it'll be cooler ?"
mircea_popescu: totally, this works, yeah. which is why nobody does it in practice o.O
kakobrekla: <bounce> those have variable-sized blocksize limits < i dont know if anyone did this before
mthreat: I can't read Tuur Demester's name without saying it "Turd Meister" in my mind
mod6: mircea_popescu: way to hurt some butts in the USGavin trilema article. good read. :)
bounce: plenty places without entrance fees. enabling uncool people to have fun too.
gribble: You rated user pankkake on Tue Mar 25 20:14:04 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: dev, my ATC broker.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pankkake 1 some lols were head, meanwhile he left.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 3 to 1.
mircea_popescu: but no, he quit brokering many months before that, an' he we were sort-of working on a project but apparently never went anywhere.
TomServo: Did he ever give an explanation? Was it really SystemD bashing?
mod6: apparently there is no where else. his /wi info lists no other chans. heh.
Apocalyptic: on freenode whois only lists channels you have in common
mircea_popescu: TomServo i have nfi. bounce sure, teh future's an open book.
Apocalyptic: here's in #paymium at the moment, at least
mod6: Apocalyptic: ahh. i see.
gribble: Current Blocks: 326208 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35823836452.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.34656
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> I'm American.
mod6: i feel like maybe he was in a different chan more recently than that. but maybe it has been that long o.O
gribble: I have not seen staatsfiend.
gribble: I have not seen staatsfeind.
mod6: who was the guy who ran spotify coin? can't recall.. he dropped off the map too.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? <<< jesse's words, not mine, they did pocket some cash from investors, gotta spruce the japanese launch somehow
mircea_popescu: whether we're getting paid for that sort of thing or not, it's still paid pr.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? <<< i thought i mentioned their low vol in the article, guess not
gribble: I have not seen mcorlette.
gribble: mcorlett was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <mcorlett> Except for yourself, of course.
mod6: 'bout the same time.
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla yeah but you see what i mean <<< not really, it's not a promotional piece, just quoting what the man said himself, i'm not too familiar with kraken guys though tbh
mircea_popescu: cazalla but when you quote what the man says whle the man's puffing up his business, you are in fact publishing paid pr.
cazalla: but i should've mentioned the non existent vol kraken has
mod6: ah. yeah, recall some mil stuff he talked about. been a while. i liked his angle on things.
mod6: and he was teh grammar nazi & had a love for beating trolls.
gribble: You rated user vragnaroda on Sat Sep 22 16:11:20 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: when he's a naxi who keeps corecteing ppls grammer 24/7.
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, you can mention the time they lost customer deposits, too, round it all up, since it's there.
mircea_popescu: cazalla few months ago, they had this embarassing moment when they sent the same deposit address to anyone asking for a deposit address for a day or two
mircea_popescu: ended up with ~100 btc in deposits they couldn't properly credit.
kakobrekla: hm i have a different recollection but could as well be wrong
kakobrekla: but anyway, if you need to 'balance' things, you can always link bash :)
kakobrekla: now that i started to think about it it - the more i think the less i recall
bounce: <mircea_popescu> all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything. << oh yes. there was this mass-everything criminal, showed up everywhere, who eventually turned out to be a sloppy worker in a dna swab factory
kakobrekla: honestly, they still have issues all the time
kakobrekla: hard to keep up whats the latest problem
kakobrekla: also i am unable to find anything written re that incident
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu heya wd on that latest usgaving piece :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpoe-pr told kraken pr to quit over their trying to paper over that incident.
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PinkPosixPXE: Good, almost done, I had to jump in a work meeting to discuss the Bash Shellshock vuln, and repatching some systems.. But I gave BingoBoingo an update, and will be sending it off shortly. It's my first shot at this, so I hope it's not too egregious.
pete_dushenski: fwiw our ddos buddy hit contravex with 30mbit/s for a whopping 30 mins.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the no vol i'll include but this missing 100 and same deposit address i can find nothing of
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for PinkPosixPXE.
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, that was my mistake, the joke was in poor taste, and I also misunderstood the ranking system a bit. Sorry about that.
kakobrekla: and natural balances of the assiverse were restored
PinkPosixPXE: I will openly admit I am still learning, and new, but will try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too much :P. I've combed over all the wiki's for bt-otc and bt-assets, and am going through the 6 months of logs as I find time.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo daniel "speeks" ? i'm not the only one who noticed this...
PinkPosixPXE: I'm one of the Senior Linux/Unix Admins for a publishing company.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Where I spell ungood this time?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke.
PinkPosixPXE: Thank you much, and thank you for the unrate, and clarifying the matter :).
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while.
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mircea_popescu: "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win."
mircea_popescu: let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu reddit is bitcoin and vice versa so bitcoin winning is because of derpage!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You want to give newswriting a try? It's fun.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla best i can tell, all someone needs to do is a) be a sysadmin and b) colocate a few boxes in a decent dc
mircea_popescu: if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust.
mod6: yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon
mircea_popescu: colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever
mircea_popescu: thus creating a single point of failure. which people can evaluate for trust.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00074197 = 17.6589 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this.
mircea_popescu: consider yest, qntra was up but say bingo's blog was down. well ? what's he to do ?
kakobrekla: average blogger cant afford any but free hosting
mircea_popescu: blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries.
mircea_popescu: the idea that poor people have something to say boggles.
kakobrekla: dunno, with hosting providers having the margins same as the fees of bitcoin exchanges
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i specifically recall say asciilifeform asking for one.
mircea_popescu: it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets
dr_love: is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery?
mircea_popescu: great, up until rg went on a drinking binge or w/e it was he did
jurov: kakobrekla bitvps went down in flames
jurov: and kicked its customers at first occassion
dr_love: mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot
mircea_popescu: in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals.
kakobrekla: when one customer will threaten all the seven you got
BingoBoingo: dr_love: I'd recommend picking a fiat lottery and starting a BitBet on its drawing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a flawed premise. collective security, baby.
dr_love: mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers
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dr_love: a Bitcoin lottery could do much better than that
mircea_popescu: dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess.
jurov: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay?
dr_love: so you're saying all gambling is dice, it being the best way to put it out there?
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math.
dr_love: *the best, most efficient wrapper
mircea_popescu: jurov a) most dcs that are even half decent don't charge for ddos ; b) those that do rent you fixed pipe anyway
kakobrekla: 100$ a week should not be a number of importance
dr_love: BingoBoingo: that is interesting
jurov: so you'll gonna having customers that dwarf the $100 figure right from the start?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14904 @ 0.00074128 = 11.048 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math
jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog?
mircea_popescu: jurov so if a business isn't insta-cash positive it shouldn't exist ?
kakobrekla: no, he didnt get ddosed & kicked out yet :)
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him.
jurov: i'm a dc noob... how much is such a pipe?
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
dr_love: mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying
mircea_popescu: jurov depends a lot where and for how long you're getting it, really.
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Well dice is the prototype for all of the pure chance games
dr_love: btw, why aren't you running JD already?
PinkPosixPXE: There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy).
PinkPosixPXE: brb, gonna finish this novel up and send it to BingoBoingo.
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PinkPosixPXE: Well.. since it's my first, I figure you can at least cut and scrap what you don't like. But I wanted to include as much as I could, didn't realize it'd be so long, heh..
mircea_popescu: should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing.
dr_love: BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto
mircea_popescu: but very congested places it can run significantly more, and some (esp new) places may be giving it away free for a long commit
mircea_popescu: dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times)
bounce: "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil?
mircea_popescu: or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time.
mircea_popescu: they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well more parcel for smaller bunker means more surface area for missiles to miss
dr_love: I do understand that, however people are perceiving it differently and positive EV tickets are a few jackpot rollovers away
mircea_popescu: bounce 8k sqft underground is a respectable wine cellar.
mircea_popescu: dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question
bounce: what was it used for, missiles?
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not.
bounce: that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days
dr_love: what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering
BingoBoingo: That one seems to be by KC, so probably feasible to get fiber from a few different directions
bounce: might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it.
assbot: CyberBunker DataCenters
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
bounce: cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in.
mircea_popescu: Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th
☟︎ mircea_popescu: e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one
mircea_popescu: inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home.
mircea_popescu: dat phonecall lol. like a chick stood up on a date, only lulzier.
bounce: that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice"
mircea_popescu: "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a “routine check” and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence.
mircea_popescu: After paying € 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team."
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that was proven to be completely false
kakobrekla: yeah like cops will say "yeah we are such dorks"
kakobrekla: not saying its true story, just your argument is meh
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it
Diablo-D3: and theres zero proof it ever happened
undata: "It was ruled a suicide with 4 shots to the back of the head."
Diablo-D3: so cyberbunker is just another scam
Diablo-D3: undata: cyberbunker needs to cite that it actually happened
Diablo-D3: and by their own admission, they wont post the video
Diablo-D3: but its not because they were paid off by the police to hide it
Diablo-D3: people were even offering money for proof
Diablo-D3: this was big news a few years back
undata: Diablo-D3: yeah, I want citations in both directions
Diablo-D3: undata: well, Im not going to cite something that long ago
Diablo-D3: I dont think the scam is still operating
undata: Diablo-D3: you're claiming "scam" hence citation or gtfo
Diablo-D3: no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it
dr_love: mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies?
mircea_popescu: dr_love nothing's offtopic anyway. kakobrekla's favourite film director.
dr_love: I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently
kakobrekla: nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought i had written about coffee and ciggs. seems not ?!
kakobrekla: dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control
dr_love: kakobrekla, what about only lovers left alive
kakobrekla: limits of control is a metaphysical art movie.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35225 @ 0.00074068 = 26.0905 BTC [-] {4}
morgan-freeman_: hey guys, did you see this epic use of bitcoin? www.shitexpress.com
dr_love: kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really
kakobrekla: morgan-freeman_ now you only need to ship it.
kakobrekla: dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally.
mircea_popescu: morgan-freeman_ let me guess, you can mail shit to people ?
morgan-freeman_: well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins
bounce: why are you spamming this in as many channels as you can?
dr_love: what do you guys listen to?
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kakobrekla: >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur
kakobrekla: e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either.
kakobrekla: apparently a legit company bought this fake company bunker.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried
assbot: CyberBunker: Hacking as Performance Art - Businessweek
bounce: who're these friends of yours?
kakobrekla: “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub
kakobrekla: letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website
bounce: that isn't really an answer.
undata: :-) One weird trick to mail shit to your friends! Must see!
BingoBoingo: morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton?
dr_love: I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort
mircea_popescu: lol bing'o'shit express now that sounds like business.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer.
kakobrekla: for more effect you could just modify a 'jokerbox' to 'shitbox'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36621 @ 0.00074029 = 27.1102 BTC [-]
dr_love: means it works the other way too? retards can show appreciation for good art?
dr_love: or shit artists can create good art, from time to time
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bounce: oh. you went over to the dark side too then?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23753 @ 0.00074005 = 17.5784 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: what sort of cpu do you need? would gpu do?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16130 @ 0.00073892 = 11.9188 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: "blah blah new australian exchange is where investors, traders and everyday people come to buy and sell Bitcoin." today's vol 21 btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6570 @ 0.0007382 = 4.85 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat operating inside?
kakobrekla: isnt cutting the net pipe the first and the last thing ?
BingoBoingo: But who knows? maybe drilling netpipe to china will be feasible eventually
kakobrekla: even if you have a netpipe straight down its sill easy to undercut it
mircea_popescu: mantle movements and besides, it's where lava comes from
kakobrekla: shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation
assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" - Pastebin.com
BingoBoingo: Just needs to work long enough to pass "hello Wor[melts]" kind of like reverse moon probe
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hopefully you have footnotes plug-in that accepts double brackets ?
mircea_popescu: "I am Ratna, 47 years, still having good figure, which is a result of satisfying fucking with different people during last 15 year. In my first 32 year I took only one cock in my cunt whereas in next 15 year I must have taken at least 3000 cocks in my body. This all because of my only son."
xanthyos: <@xanthyos> AND SB SAW MY PENIS, WHICH IS LIKE A GRANDMOTHER TO ME, SINCE MINE DIED
kakobrekla: but its been like days since the last one
kakobrekla: he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.'
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kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: <pete_dushenski>
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13705 @ 0.0007382 = 10.117 BTC [-]