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kakobrekla: ah thats old stuf
kakobrekla: f
Namworld: "Nefario" was STILL around?
cazalla: don't remember hearing anything or anyone mentioning he left/was pushed from coinfloor
ben_vulpes: am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly? debian backports only has miniupnpc-1.5?
Namworld: I wasn't aware he was staying in the space when he axed GLBSE.
ben_vulpes: it would be expedient to download miniupnpc 1.6 from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ but what do to prevent mitm of that source?
assbot: MiniUPnP download zone
mats_cd03: fivezerotwo: youre gonna have to burn a 0day, if you even have access to those, mate
fivezerotwo: mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this
mats_cd03: youre a cool dude for messing with people that lead public lives on the internets
mats_cd03: fo reals
fivezerotwo: so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes
fivezerotwo: don't worry, there are plenty of less protected targets ;_;
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As requested http://qntra.net/2014/10/daniel-j-bernstein-speeks-on-keeping-crypto-insecure/
assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 387.79, Best ask: 388.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 387.85, 24 hour volume: 3180.14467158, 24 hour low: 385.0, 24 hour high: 394.25, 24 hour vwap: 389.421666807
kakobrekla: space missing in the last paragraph before 'Set'
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: fxd
jurov: Nefario said: Once you've been labelled a scammer, people are encouraged to deal with you << lol I missed "not" at first
kakobrekla: missed a not, or not?
jurov: both
jurov: ben_vulpes: you really ned upnp? just axe it in da makefile
jurov: *need
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building
jurov: follow its desires?
jurov: you'd prefer to whip it in shape,eventually add -fstack-protector if you got decent compiler
mircea_popescu: danke bb
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> "Nefario" was STILL around? << yes, the "foundation" scammer group is looking after its own
mircea_popescu: from marquardt and mccarthy to kenna etc.
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes <fivezerotwo> mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this << i suppose this is the ultimate endorsement or something ?
jborkl: So, there are two companies going btc belly up I have never even heard of
BingoBoingo: Seems to be
jborkl: Bittrader and moolah?
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Which ones?
BingoBoingo: Moolah's in Doge
jborkl: One bankrupted the other , ala week and bitfunder
BingoBoingo: Oh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in light of what i previously explained about botnets, it is difficult to calculate the actual value of a particular 0day.
jborkl: Ohh, no wonder
asciilifeform: rather like trying to come up with value for stolen painting.
asciilifeform: is it - what owner paid? what the 'fence' will get, on the blackmarket? what the fence will pay you?
jborkl: I guess moolah had a codind error that allowed you withdraw double what you deposited
jborkl: Coding
asciilifeform: very few people are equipped to safely monetize an 0day in person.
mats_cd03: b-but, he's willing to sign an address with 1000btc in it
asciilifeform: he could've earned it with honest work!
asciilifeform: whatascam
mats_cd03: ill be impressed if he can compromise irccloud and dox me
asciilifeform: what counts as 'dox' ?
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
mats_cd03: my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing.
BingoBoingo: dick pics
mats_cd03: !up ninjashogun 20:47:42 <ninjashogun> I have an important convo to pastebin with fivezerotwo
ninjashogun: thx
ninjashogun: http://pastebin.com/BjRNZBk1
assbot: <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm - Pastebin.com
ninjashogun: see bottom 3 lines
ninjashogun: I just notice htat he's also being discussed in channel here now. (Someone pointed this out to me.) At first I assumed MP to have paid for this out of some weird strategy (since I came to MP with a small project recently, maybe he wanted to know if I still needed small amounts of money, etc.) But I thought you guys should see it.
jurov: so i came to the systemd stuff in the lawgs .. and
jurov: ;;isup lists.debian.org
gribble: lists.debian.org is down
jurov: ^^^
mats_cd03: i appreciate the contribution to drama ninjashogun
mats_cd03: lol dude operates a mixer.
ninjashogun: I was just referring to the bottom lines. <fivezerotwo> im just trolling you dude <fivezerotwo> we're being paid to troll you (and then he disconnected)
ninjashogun: Anyway it's not how anyone does business. Please don't do this.
BingoBoingo: Well he's DOS'ing stuff from in here so he's probably getting paid by someone from elsewhere
ninjashogun: nobody would pay anyone to troll me from anywhere except here :)
ninjashogun: anyway this is what I wrote MP on the subject - http://pastebin.com/VHQ4XyzA (via PM just now)
assbot: <ninjashogun> If you have anyhting to do with this (see bottom of conversatoin) - Pastebin.com
ninjashogun: Do you guys know what his other WoT rating was that he referred to?
ninjashogun: I mean other WoT nick?
mats_cd03: man, if hes being paid to troll, 10USD is not nearly enough for a ddos
ninjashogun: (for the record, I just have this one.)
jurov: no, it's nobody from here. as i wrote just above, indices lead to lennart poettering
undata: "and a ninja like me." haaa
asciilifeform: jurov: !?
jurov: it's revenge for us bashing the systemd
ninjashogun: oh I forgot I wrote that lol but yeah.
jurov: ;;isup lists.debian.org
ninjashogun: anyway carry on guys.
gribble: lists.debian.org is down
ninjashogun: !down ninjashogun
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: that was painful.
jurov: asciilifeform today's log says debian's supposedly voting to allow compatibility outside systemd
jurov: hence, ddos
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: systemd cancer is pretty advanced though
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1496584.23 in 1911 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 218.73
asciilifeform: not enough to simply vote at debian, its tendrils will have to be painfully and surgically excised from 1000 places.
jurov: i'm sure they will include some ddos functionality into systemd bery soon
jurov: *very
kakobrekla: that? i remain skeptic.
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 15700.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 47.27 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.75 TH/s
BingoBoingo: O hai diff drop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19963 @ 0.00073769 = 14.7265 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: woah
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1606600.93 in 1900 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 242.16
mod6: pff
asciilifeform: from loltron: http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713
assbot: Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa - Defense One
mike_c: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8174.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 52.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.69 TH/s
mike_c: 60+ th/s?
undata: asciilifeform: "but government guidelines prevent hospitals from using it to actually screen for Ebola." whaaaaa
Apocalyptic: yeah... the guy is back again
asciilifeform: !s aids test
assbot: 2 results for 'aids test' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=aids+test
asciilifeform: same deal
asciilifeform: search fail
asciilifeform: same deal re: pocket-sized instant aids tester that fda also banned.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588670 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:21:08; asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588705 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:25:38; asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)
asciilifeform: see remainder of thread.
undata: "The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met."
undata: wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance?
asciilifeform: usg wants you in one of '3 d-s' - despondent, dependent, or dead.
undata: asciilifeform: "On October 10th, the FDA has granted emergency use authorization to three screening system called Ebola Zaire Target1, which was also developed with help from the Defense Department" << BioFire just isn't in the in-group, I'd wager
asciilifeform: evidently.
asciilifeform: this is, to an extent, a rerun of the anthrax thing.
kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !up technoboy
technoboy: whats up people how u chillen?
technoboy: !s bible
assbot: 105 results for 'bible' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bible
asciilifeform: !down technoboy
asciilifeform: ferglubssake.
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing. << silly thing to put a price on. sort-of like making teens think losing their virginity is a big fucking deal.
mircea_popescu: it isn't, and they get caught all up in that process as if it were something.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm <<< ahahahaha wut.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> hence, ddos << well, correlation, anyway.
mats_cd03: i suppose better dox would be ssn, physical addr, phone number, banking info, and data on people in my RL WoT
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> thps ?!?!
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8253.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 60.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
mats_cd03: could try ruining my credit but i don't care about that
BingoBoingo: What it looks like
BingoBoingo: %v
mircea_popescu: undata> wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance? << YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS PUTIN!
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 255 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 193
mircea_popescu: !up technoboy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20613 @ 0.00073935 = 15.2402 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o oops my bad
technoboy: yay i am voiced again ^_^
mircea_popescu: technoboy accidentally. don't be stupid again
mats_cd03: id be rly impressed if he could manage dox seeing as how i pay up my bouncer with a prepaid card
kakobrekla: do you even know who you are?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18N41WH.txt )
asciilifeform: !b 2 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: not even his wife knows who he is!!!
mircea_popescu: that's why she's stuck fucking all comers
mats_cd03: :(
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 not you. someone else.
mats_cd03: i do my best not to think about the dongs that have been in my wife
mircea_popescu: Almost all AES implementations use fast lookup tables. <<< o, what ever could be the problem with lookup tables wink wink
asciilifeform: gotta keep the s-boxes around, or regenerate on demand. tertium non datur
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall this was discussed in here.
asciilifeform: aye
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821772 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 18:02:43; mircea_popescu: in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes.
mircea_popescu: aslo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833873 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 17:18:46; mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.
mircea_popescu: it even got bashed!
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46539): 0 hour(s), 0 minutes
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2110783.64 in 1844 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 349.54
asciilifeform not entirely surprised to discover poetteringisms in: 'mplayer', 'firefox', a number of other packages
asciilifeform: advanced metastasis.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cute.
mircea_popescu: !up josevelez
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00073887 = 15.036 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: What if the terrorists hear about fast secure crypto? Yikes! Similar to constant-time story. Don’t standardize good crypto. Discourage use of good crypto. If the good crypto persists, try to bury it behind a huge menu of bad options. Advertise “cryptographic agility”; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this “agility” justifies using breakable crypto.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: here's the scoop : if the usg does not standardize good crypto, mp WILL. and the result wil be that mp's standards will drive the nist out of the market.
asciilifeform: i still can't fathom why they're not having their muppets push the 'all this derp is because they really broke rsa in the '90s' angle.
mircea_popescu: no amount of thumbing nose and general pretense is going to help. mpxxx will drive usgxxx anything out of the market. period and full stop.
asciilifeform: i would utterly do this in their place.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75504 @ 0.00073554 = 55.5362 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: there are NO degrees of liberty left for the evil government, in any field.
mircea_popescu: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 255 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64
asciilifeform: https://github.com/fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home (thanks to diametric)
assbot: fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home GitHub
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10658.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 63.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who is stuck with that os
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: doesn't actually fix anything, contrary to the implication in the url.
asciilifeform: 'dismal science.'
undata: asciilifeform: that only fixes the one that's a "feature" if I recall
asciilifeform: just removes some of the anal anaesthetic applied by apple during first penetration
diametric: assbot: i think the fix-macos part of the url is more of a plea
diametric: dammit tab.
diametric: asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: diametric: whole mess of rumination re: 'docker' earlier today.
asciilifeform: diametric: couldn't help but think of you
diametric: asciilifeform: hm?
asciilifeform: log works again, see there.
mike_c: %m
atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 23835136 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 8.88
asciilifeform: !s docker
assbot: 57 results for 'docker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=docker
mircea_popescu: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 254 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64
mike_c: 24m atc in existence. took 2m to take price to 1
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's dead tho.
mike_c: atc? shit, guess i gotta read logs faster.
kakobrekla: wait what?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << twas on trilema months ago neh ?
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
diametric: asciilifeform: is there an incident that started the discussion? all i see here is a lot of "using docker insecurely is insecure."
asciilifeform: not sure, and can't really comment
asciilifeform is innocent of docker
diametric: running processes as root requires root. news at 11.
mircea_popescu: diametric maybe it was my question, originally. ie, why would you add more to the list.
kakobrekla: so i was right? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2014#884271 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-10-2014 01:16:57; kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping
diametric: mircea_popescu: to which list are you referring?
asciilifeform: if i recall there was some vague rumour of an escape for it.
mircea_popescu: diametric> running processes as root requires root. news at 11. <<
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yah
kakobrekla: im amazing
mike_c: somehow i misunderstood based on bingo's continued involvement and the renting of the hashpower.
mircea_popescu: mike_c check this out :
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10149.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 61.45 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
mike_c: yes, i saw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00073526 = 17.7198 BTC [-]
diametric: asciilifeform: docker's purpose isn't security per se. an escape can be irrelevant. if anything its a nice system for compartmentalizing your system and preventing the pollution of your filesystem with random libraries needed by a single application.
mircea_popescu: seems kinda clear. who's going to spend a coupla btc to get it back out of the hole ?
asciilifeform: diametric: aha i recall, a la bsd jail, yes.
diametric: asciilifeform: now if you're relying on docker to be a jail for the purposes of security, than that alone isn't ideal.
mike_c: ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out
asciilifeform: so more of a parrot cage than a jail for man.
diametric: its like a jail + management system on top of it
diametric: what you end up with is an image you can use on any linux running docker, be it ubuntu, gentoo, arch or lfs.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out < my thought was its the 60th guy
kakobrekla: but nfi
diametric: i'd still be highly interested in learning about potential escapes though
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0163 * 61.45 / 24
gribble: 0.0417347916667
mircea_popescu: 4 bitcents an hour, could be worse.
mircea_popescu: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 49 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64
mircea_popescu: har.
jurov: so.. does this docker thing work with grsec and makes easier chroots with readonly-bind-mounted stuff?
kakobrekla: anywho, atc ended ... as expected.
BingoBoingo: %d
diametric: docker is just using lxc
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2233457.32 in 1819 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 375.66
diametric: what makes it docker is the whole management infrastructure around it
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@4 800k@3 2M@2
jurov: after some googling, no it isn't working smoothly with grsec. as expected from #devops
jurov: "it" being lxc
mircea_popescu: %ob
atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@5 1M@4 800k@3
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8600.13 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 49.11 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the ispace assholes was the thing that "didn't work" and nobody was answering, back when we were looking for a pool, was it ?
BingoBoingo: Pity the Pool's was
mircea_popescu: how come wqe didn't end up using it ?
BingoBoingo: Ispace came in at that time, but it wasn't reporting crap when i pointed hash at it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a bunch of smartass miners are going to hurt once their coinbases finally mature.
BingoBoingo: And they were also non-responsive
mircea_popescu: which is what, an hour ? i dun recall
BingoBoingo: 100 blocks, maybe 120 blocks
mircea_popescu: "o, we're too special to mine helpfuly, we gotta be smarter than the britches allow"
BingoBoingo: Ah it is 120 blocks
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2300244.77 in 1806 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 389.89
mircea_popescu: who had all the nice atc graphs ?
BingoBoingo: http://atc.blockr.io/ or http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/
assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
mod6: there are some here (not sure if this is what you're referring to): http://atc.blockr.io/charts
BingoBoingo: %ob
atcbot: 99k@255 100k@254 544k@49 | 50k@10 1M@5 1M@4
mircea_popescu: ty
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 10 Ask: 49 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2191k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 55
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9946.92 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 34.78 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
decimation: re: docker << my understanding is that it's pretty much a chroot jail combined with some cpu and ram and network limits
decimation doesn't use docker, probably never will
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so there's at least three different parties attacking, seeing how it went from 60 to 50 then to 35
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: i need fucking vincent vega over here.
mircea_popescu: fucktarded kids thinking they're going to get rich.
BingoBoingo: No, you need to get these mother fucking snakes off of the motherfucking plane
decimation: I assume folks are logging incoming ips?
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10497.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 21.55 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46592): 0 hour(s), 2 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00073466 = 42.1695 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2381419.13 in 1788 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 407.17
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10604.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: oops... not so smart anymore... hurr durrr
BingoBoingo: Oh a quack made the local paper http://www.bnd.com/2014/10/18/3462222/guest-view-could-ebola-patients.html?sp=/99/174/
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat
BingoBoingo: Obola's no problem because Vitamin C
mircea_popescu: seems legit.
undata: well, that's as long as you're taking your colloidal silver too
cazalla: "Now one of the fastest-growing cosmetic procedures in the UK is repairing stretched earlobes." hilarious http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/oct/19/cosmetic-surgeons-repair-stretched-earlobes
assbot: Big increase in surgery to mend flesh tunnel earlobes | Life and style | The Observer
undata: cazalla: that'll be big here in portland I'm sure
undata: what a hideous practice
undata: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_plate
assbot: Lip plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they can use the extra material to give the woman a new hymen too
asciilifeform: SOP in jp, afaik
ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> lol dude operates a mixer. /// probly part of the trap
kakobrekla: fucking do idiots.
ThickAsThieves: oh mp sez ATC iz ded nao?
ThickAsThieves: we'll see
RagnarDanneskjol: the pool or the coin?
ThickAsThieves: well it's still got pool
ThickAsThieves: and hash
ThickAsThieves: someone sold down the mkt tho
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh - that would be easy to do
RagnarDanneskjol: yea pool's still going. I was under impression it was for amusement purposes / didn't realize it had any particular value
ThickAsThieves: well it's a decent testcoin
ThickAsThieves: and it's no premine
RagnarDanneskjol: 51% attack would be a cinch too - especially with majority of hashing on p2pool
ThickAsThieves: hehe maybe good tool to practice overtaking btc then
ThickAsThieves: it's Altcoin, it is what it is
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1BTC if you throw me some rank, you can send me pictures of your titties as well, with a string of text written on them. ;)
BingoBoingo: !up fivezerotwo
fivezerotwo: ty although i'm just lurking
BingoBoingo: k
nubbins`: found my OLPC xo-1 from back in 2007
nubbins`: they're actually still updating everything
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you've missed a lot in the logs.
ThickAsThieves: apparently so
ThickAsThieves: halp?
ThickAsThieves: i thought i read em all...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't upload files, dir not writable
cazalla: at least not via wordpress anyway
mircea_popescu: cazalla uh so make it writable or what.
cazalla: dunno, i used pos file manager in cpanel so doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: a i think wordpress has a narrow size limit, may be 1mb or somethign
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1 BTC, same deal, if you provide me with some WOT rank, and if you want to do some personal shots, with a string of my choice, that's highly encouraged as well.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE -1 Sure, there you go.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.
PinkPosixPXE: except, it's not a competition, you just get the 0.1 BTC
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/digitalbtc-release-september-quarterly-report/
assbot: digitalBTC Release September Quarterly Report | Qntra.net
othernubs`: but without competition, we have nothing
PinkPosixPXE: well if you all want to compete, that's fine too. But I'd secure the 0.1 for mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: but he doesn't seem fond of the idea
mircea_popescu: cazalla i dun get it. how exactly they earned 6k btc ?
cazalla: they say they mined it
mircea_popescu: not through that entire mintsy bs, "allowing people to add their computers" to the... world's largest first and best exchange nobody uses
mircea_popescu: they mined 240 blocks in 3 months ?
othernubs`: 3 blocks a day
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 52/4 / 2 * 2036
gribble: 13234
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 240 / 13234
gribble: 0.0181351065438
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326129 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36016235848.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.89623
mircea_popescu: hm wrong one.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,hash
gribble: Error: "bc,hash" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 251094498.651
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0181351065438 * 251094498.651
gribble: 4553625.4856
mircea_popescu: they got 4,5ph then ?
othernubs`: C- student did not show work
cazalla: they've done a few million dollar deals with bitfury, so they claim anyway, i don't know who is jewing who anymore
othernubs`: would not etc etc
mircea_popescu: cazalla somehow i have trouble believing this story, but hey.
cazalla: well the zhenya guy apparently is russian mafia
mircea_popescu: derp.
cazalla: who knows though, guy had puff daddy perform for his missus at her birthday bash
mircea_popescu: i like the brick and mortar way this is going.
mircea_popescu: weren';t we discussing a month or so ago the unfortunate affairs of a puff daddy promoter, ended up in jail for fraud ?
cazalla: anyway, i'm not claiming it's factual, they are and it's what they submitted to asx, i find it interesting to follow this lot though
mircea_popescu: is it actually published on an oz gov site anywhere ?
cazalla: it is published on the asx so just as good
cazalla: http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20141020/pdf/42t0mqrygyzd74.pdf
mircea_popescu: aha aite then.
ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 8 seconds
ThickAsThieves: scams
cazalla: the company never gives specific information as to whether they mine on their own or part of a pool or how much hashing power they have
mircea_popescu: ;;google bre-x
gribble: Bre-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bre-X>; Bre-X $6 Billion Gold Fraud Story - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/bre-x-6-billion-gold-fraud-indonesia-2014-10?op=1>; A Lode of Lies: How Bre-X Fooled Everyone - Washington Post: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/canada/stories/brex051897.htm>
cazalla: so is it problematic to continue posting about them? i'm not claiming what they published is legit, it's more just to cover what they claim until such time it's proven to be a fraud
cazalla: and not much news around today either
punkman: ;;isitup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
punkman: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
punkman: 'ello
mircea_popescu: cazalla well no, since they filed and etc it's solid news.
punkman: "We're just sending you a courtesy e-mail to let you know that the funds you deposited into your Envato Market account some time ago are about to expire."
punkman: "Envato expires cash deposits automatically after one year as a small percentage of users leave money in their account for long periods of time and cannot be contacted. Unfortunately Envato cannot be responsible for holding cash for indefinite periods"
punkman: fuckers
mircea_popescu: cazalla so if they bought 4.5Ph from bitfury that'd have cost them about
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 4500 * 1700
gribble: 7650000
mircea_popescu: do they list 7.65 mn in assets ?
BingoBoingo: http://www.crimeflare.com/
assbot: CrimeFlare
mircea_popescu: "CloudFlare is a venture-funded startup that routes around Internet abuse by acting as a reverse proxy." wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: this looks and feels like that "steve gibson research" nut.
cazalla: i think they claim they spent 2.5m with bitfury
mircea_popescu: they didn't get gear to mine 6k bitcoins in 3 months for 2.5mn from bitfury, that's certain.
mircea_popescu: either they're lying about the bitcoins incoming, or they're paying a 5-10% to rent hashes.
mircea_popescu: prolly both, i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway, see if the russian mobster puff daddy guy is willing to give you an interview. you got at least 10 decent q's to ask him in here.
cazalla: here we go "One such customer is the Australian stock market listed Digital BTC6, which purchased mining hardware from BitFury in March, May and August ((March and May purchase was a $2 million investment, August was $1.3 million.) of 2014.
cazalla: so 3.3m to earn 6k in past quarter
mircea_popescu: lmao this book is cooked.
cazalla: which is probably why they don't get specific about hashing power, where they mine etc etc
cazalla: i think they probably get the extra from skimming cloudhashing customers
mircea_popescu: there's not enough in that.
cazalla: plus they claimed to have sold old hardware and rent out 10% or 15% of their own hashing power
mircea_popescu: but anyway, my earlier figures were based on a june buy.
mircea_popescu: if they bought in march...
mircea_popescu: nethash back then was just about 25 ph total. like fuck they bought 1/5th of the network and nobody knew.
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2345.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 8.00 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1854543.95 in 1717 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 294.96
punkman: BingoBoingo, is the vicious diff cycle gonna repeat there?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/kraken-considers-purchasing-mtgox-assets-as-it-pushes-into-japan/
assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net
Apocalyptic: !isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
punkman: http://mashable.com/2014/10/19/avoca-shark-attack/
assbot: 'It's Not the Shark's Fault': Aussie Teen Surfer Laughs After Shark Bites Her Leg
punkman: http://online.thatsmags.com/post/photos-beijing-marathon-runners-trudge-through-hazardous-smog-in-gas-masks
cazalla: punkman, a wobbegong is nothing like a great white
cazalla: those and port jackson sharks bite cunts all the time
punkman: cazalla: I wouldn't know, no sharks around here
cazalla: sorta like thinking a manul is a tiger
punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/18/poor-kids-who-do-everything-right-dont-do-better-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/
assbot: Poor kids who do everything right don’t do better than rich kids who do everything wrong - The Washington Post
cazalla: "Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7
punkman: young brains need input, I suppose that's good
punkman: http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-exterminators-want-ad
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
cazalla: yeah, i've read to my son almost every day since he was born, teach him basic sign language as well but he just turned 9 months and is yet to use it, i've read the bright kids usually pick it up sooner
bounce: mix in some foreign languages while at it
chetty: kids won{t communicate unless they need to, are you over helpful?
cazalla: bounce, my parents never taught me :\ chetty, sorta have to be helpful with a 9 month old, least in my limited experience, can't cook his own meal or get the titty ready
cazalla: anyway, that's qntra downunder signing off, another beer and zzz, i'm sure qntra US and A will be on soon
jurov: ;;isup bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: bitcoin-assets.com is down
jurov: http://qntra.net/2014/10/daniel-j-bernstein-speeks-on-keeping-crypto-insecure << jawohl
assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
fluffypony: https://beta.ciphertrade.com/help/site-notifications
assbot: CipherTrade
fluffypony: "Many apologies for my personal absence recently and the drop in communications it has contributed to. Unfortunately I have experienced my own period of illness, which came on quite suddenly, over the past ten weeks."
fluffypony: came on quite suddenly
fluffypony: over the past ten weeks
fluffypony: boiling frogs.
fluffypony: if he means it came on quite suddenly and then lasted 10 weeks...well damn, son, I'd be in ICU
fluffypony: the worst I ever had in my entire life was this crazy hayfever where I hardly left my bed for 4 weeks and my nose poured buckets
fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once
kakobrekla: http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/about-bis/newsroom/press-releases/107-about-bis/newsroom/press-releases/press-release-2014/763-intel-subsidiary-agrees-to-750-000-penalty-for-unauthorized-encryption-exports
assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/Abhaxas/status/523780560993267713
assbot: go home twitter, you're drunk. i'll accept my bugbounty via bitcoin thx http://t.co/iZOoa0hSEb
asciilifeform: http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-exterminators-want-ad << epic crackpottery
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
asciilifeform: wind river << no mention, it seems, of what they shipped to be condemned to the penalty, and to whom
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/524185909504516096
assbot: Thanks to all who notified us of the /hashtag/mintpal?src=hash coins. https://t.co/nH85upTbMW We are vigilant on not let them pass through /hashtag/Bitstamp?src=hash
kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/address/1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/spain-to-issue-more-online-gambling-licenses/
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1958.96 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.02 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
BingoBoingo: punkman: See the logs
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1379402.06 in 1654 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 193.77
ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> https://blockchain.info/address/1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC /// wassat?
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
kakobrekla: old coins
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 50k@248 44k@245 5k@241 | 50k@44 100k@41 200k@35
ThickAsThieves: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/11174071/UK-bank-payment-system-goes-offline.html
assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph
chetty: jajajaja good one, now thats a way to curb gubermint spending
ThickAsThieves: “The Bank of England has identified a technical issue related to some routine maintenance of the RTGS payment system and has paused settlement while we resolve it,” a statement from the Bank said.
ThickAsThieves: or, hey have we been haxored?
BingoBoingo: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/10/20/1233235/ibm-pays-globalfoundries-15-billion-to-shed-its-chip-division
assbot: IBM Pays GlobalFoundries $1.5 Billion To Shed Its Chip Division - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: IBM Continues to confound people with the question of "What do they still DO?
ThickAsThieves: heh
ThickAsThieves: here's a good one too
ThickAsThieves: "China got its first official shipments of new iPhones last week, but a new report from web censorship watchdog Great Fire indicates Chinese users may be facing an unpleasant surprise when they try to connect to Apple services at large. As of last night, the Chinese firewall is blocking all local connections to iCloud.com, redirecting those connections to a dummy site designed to look
ThickAsThieves: exactly like Apple's login page."
ThickAsThieves: china giv slurping up credentials
ThickAsThieves: gov
ThickAsThieves: http://qz.com/283691/china-may-be-hacking-every-iphone-user-in-the-country/
assbot: China may be hacking every iPhone user in the country – Quartz
bounce: oh, they're going through with it? could've had your own chip fab and gotten 1.5bn in the deal too
BingoBoingo: Yeah
ThickAsThieves: so my guess is this week wall st's party line will be that everything's okay, markets recover XX% of what was lost last week in a few days, then next week new lows
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073843 / 0.00074163 (1477276 shares, 1,090.88 BTC), 7D: 0.00073316 / 0.00073791 / 0.00074368 (7811540 shares, 5,764.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.00074319 / 0.00075684 (25376564 shares, 18,859.76 BTC)
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I dunno, Obola seems to even be surpressing MPOE
ThickAsThieves: just a temporary trap tho
ThickAsThieves: s'all i'm sayin
ThickAsThieves: get mom n pop to ignore their investments a bit longer
ThickAsThieves: so gs can nurse the teat
kakobrekla: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
kakobrekla: lies
kakobrekla: ip has changed, beat your dns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12347 @ 0.00074163 = 9.1569 BTC [+]
chetty: ThickAsThieves, me thinks gus is running out of that sort of gas, ma n pa is starting to notice
ThickAsThieves: i hope so
mats_cd03: https://twitter.com/tim_likes_cake/status/523731718830698496
assbot: An actual, real paragraph from the draft PHP specification. http://t.co/H9MscHwh90
chetty: http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364
assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.57, Best ask: 384.58, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 383.5, 24 hour volume: 9973.42180721, 24 hour low: 376.2, 24 hour high: 392.0, 24 hour vwap: 382.624714469
BingoBoingo: Truth >> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5NgxjUI7--/lpovu8m5sadekmlwrogg.jpg
Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration
chetty: well this sort of thing isn't about getting married, its about pushing agenda
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin has so many CEOs
ThickAsThieves: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0ZV-mRIQAEU03v.png
TomServo: decentralized ceos, yo
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326176 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 415 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 42 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35676954134.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.92693
Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role
Adlai: people can be "VP Operations", "VP Executions", etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00074168 = 3.325 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla proclaims itself for CEO of the CEO association
Adlai: and at board meetings, the CEO chair remains empty, like for the prophet Elijah
kakobrekla: himself
kakobrekla: im not it :\
Adlai not it
mircea_popescu: assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net << ok, this i don't get.
mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ?
mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla^
kakobrekla: but it sez FOREX on the front page
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7 << after about 7 or so that's unhealthy.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: boiling frogs. <<< ayup.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Is there a trilema article handy detailing your child rearing tips?
mircea_popescu: you invested in the craig dude ? i mean anything other than the lulz
mircea_popescu: i have a huge investment of lulz with him myself.
mircea_popescu: TomServo are you setting me up ? yeah, i know, i got no kids bla bla. but i speak for the romanian school of psychology, pre 1990 god damn it. i know shit.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I've noticed you have a quite a few is all.
kakobrekla: > Now available on Bloomberg Terminal due to customer demand < just love this, 'all seven users wrote to us that they heard of bloomberg sometime someplace'
mircea_popescu: yeah. but i never really wrote about it because well... that'd be the end of days, mp mommy blogger.
TomServo: hahah
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know bloomberg terminals are still widely used. 50k or so i'd guess.
kakobrekla: yeah well, the only reason they are on bloomber is because of <h1>forex</h1> on frontpage.
mircea_popescu: who you mean, kraken ?
kakobrekla: yes
mircea_popescu: nah, just go to some people that aren't mp offer them .1 btc for whatever and you're in.
mircea_popescu: bloomberg isn't as well kept as the wot.
kakobrekla: oh you are making pun
mircea_popescu: anyway, after the entire "we're built with security in mind from the ground up and also please everyone send btc to this address and we'll sort it out later" adventure, and then lying about it...
mircea_popescu: im sure they'll do fine o.O
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once << fuck 4 weeks ? i'm throwing a conniption fit in the third motherfucking day
mircea_popescu: i've never been sick for a week straight nor do i think it possible.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports << now that is news! got a BingoBoingo in da haus ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, it's in the cue after I finish the next piece
mircea_popescu giggles excitedly
kakobrekla: do i get like a finders fee
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla here's your finders fee for the intel article
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: scam
kakobrekla: o i got a new msg!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna write it up ? or... make the woman do it ?
kakobrekla: scam
kakobrekla: low on time. let PinkPosixPXE write.
kakobrekla: for some redemption
mircea_popescu: i guess that'd work.
PinkPosixPXE: I can do that
mircea_popescu: make it good.
thestringpuller: or not
mircea_popescu: hey X-Rob in da house ? ello ?
thestringpuller: that's cazalla's job
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the less of it he has to do, the more of it he can do, ya know ?
thestringpuller: :D
thestringpuller: i can't find any real btc news on the net still
thestringpuller: all "this is why x is long on btc"
thestringpuller: "btc is rivaling payments here's why"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and lemme guess, currently being workt on is assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph ?
BingoBoingo: That's after Intel fine
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ibm-pays-to-divest-chip-business/
assbot: IBM Pays To Divest Chip Business | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: Now writing Intel fine.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE has that one
kakobrekla: imma brb
BingoBoingo: Ah, then now writing Housing market stalls as payments stop
mod6: find any real btc news on the net still
mircea_popescu: chetty: http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364 <<, ahahaha WHAT
assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom
BingoBoingo: mod6: Slow on that front
mod6: << bah. anyway, all the real news is on irc.
mod6: sorry, bad copy.
mircea_popescu: mod6 will be fined five ounces of lead and an ounce of ink
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah give the girl a chance.
BingoBoingo: K
mircea_popescu: *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration << details, details. it's the united states of methodical hypocrisy anyway, they don't get married to be married, they get married to get the paperwork.
mircea_popescu: education, work, everything the same. they don't buy shoes to have shoes, they buy shoes for the other people to see they got shoes.
mircea_popescu: etc.
chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/warren-buffett-losing-over-1-billion-on-ibm-2014-10-20
assbot: Warren Buffett losing over $1 billion on IBM - MarketWatch
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: BUT the dynamism embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.
mircea_popescu: Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: With this tailwind working for us, Charlie and I hope!!!11
bounce: .oO( god blesses america, doesn't he? )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00074028 = 20.0246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i dunno why so many people want to live LONGER
mircea_popescu: so as to what, cover a career built on a deserved reputation for insight under a pile of senile ridicule ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role <<< welcome to mpex in 2011 :)))
chetty: what is a ceo?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you have some background information on bitcoinshop.us
mircea_popescu: !s bitcoinshop.us
assbot: 3 results for 'bitcoinshop.us' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoinshop.us
thestringpuller: it was on trilema
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoinshup
gribble: No matches found.
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoinshop
gribble: Scam flavour of the day : bitcoinshop.us aka Hotel Management ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/>; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; S.MG, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)
thestringpuller: there we go
thestringpuller: the frist one
mircea_popescu: a yes
thestringpuller: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bitcoin-shop-announces-formation-of-advisory-board-otcqb-btcs-1959113.htm
assbot: Bitcoin Shop Announces Formation of Advisory Board
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: did you get your tablet ?
mircea_popescu: o look at that, you can no longer - bash entries ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. and then broke it. i still have my backpack they proxied from china tho.
mircea_popescu: in other news, dji only down half a % today
mircea_popescu: meta-up 200% from yesterday
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=290 << bwahahah
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17404 @ 0.00073928 = 12.8664 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: meh, that voting system i did there was broked. and i fixed it 3 times and its still broked.
ThickAsThieves: tried breaking it yet?
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bank-of-england-payment-settlements-offline-home-purchases-impossible/
assbot: Bank of England Payment Settlements Offline: Home Purchases Impossible | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: thats the inherit property, cant get tired of it.
kakobrekla: it is what it is now. up what you like, ignore what you dont, should be ok, over time.
kakobrekla: speaking of this, rating systems are a science of its own
kakobrekla: and i have nfi what would be best here
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i believe it.
mircea_popescu: they are a science, and hardly worth the effort given that w/e, it's just bash quotes
kakobrekla: im a masochist, i heard.
mircea_popescu: it's fine until you start hearing it from gurlz.
chetty: masochist = synonym with programmer, right?
kakobrekla: heh
mircea_popescu: !up libertardian
mircea_popescu: libertardian hello brother. are you here to help me turn the tide and breach through the oppressive injustice these ancap redpiller types keep weaving ?
thestringpuller: what are redpillers? people who saw the matrix and think it's real?
mthreat: http://www.reddit.com/r/theredpill
assbot: The Red Pill
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller apparently it's a thing. http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/ << that's where i discovered it anyway
assbot: Please take your pills. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: oh so like PUA but dumb?
thestringpuller: but more dumb*
mthreat: and i thought the matrix was real
thestringpuller: wait so nerds are getting laid less?
mircea_popescu: well pua has a major disadvantage for your run of the mill usian : it's falsifiable, like a science.
mircea_popescu: they need stuff more like SOCIAL sciences, ie, talkradio. so they came up with this unfalsifiable version that's all yak, no actual anything.
mircea_popescu: course it doesn't deal with cunt anymore except in the meta, but that's really okay for the demo.
thestringpuller: ugh. this reminds me of college which was just high school 2.0
thestringpuller: "We can't get laid. Lets over analyze it to see why girls won't touch our penises"
mircea_popescu: jesus what college did you go ot
thestringpuller: Georgia Tech
thestringpuller: Like MIT but not as cold.
mircea_popescu: there weren't any pacts involved were there ?
mircea_popescu: wtf, wait a second, georgia tech is a major party school.
thestringpuller: Major alcholic school*
thestringpuller: people don't know how to party there!
thestringpuller: it's like 5 guys with 2 girls standing around drinking
thestringpuller: 5 guys for every 2 girls*
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno.
thestringpuller: I guess some kids just never "get" social skills.
mircea_popescu: "Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party… If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!"
mircea_popescu: or how did that go.
thestringpuller: Oh yea. One second there was 1 fraternity that was very "rape-y"
thestringpuller: i'll get the leaked email
thestringpuller: Yea that's from it
mircea_popescu: myeah.
thestringpuller: "If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it.s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imag
thestringpuller: Yea the girls at Tech are feminist so that email didn't go down too well.
thestringpuller: even though 1 out of every 3 girls found at a fraternity party is looking to hook up
thestringpuller: so I dunno ~_~
ThickAsThieves: 3 of 3
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: wtf, why else is she there ? to get out of the atlanta rain ?
thestringpuller: usually it's girls under 21 trying to get free alcohol
thestringpuller: most girls at tech don't put out until they are 22
mircea_popescu: o.O
thestringpuller: ^- not really just making a joke
thestringpuller: But really, I hung out with a fraternity brother once who said he hooked up with a girl who didn't know she had a clitoris.
thestringpuller: But hey that's none of my business.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, what bros say about women may or may not be indicative of women.
thestringpuller: Not saying it's fact, just plausible given my tenure at the plpace.
thestringpuller: given what occurred during my tenure*
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i was there briefly, it wasn't bad.
thestringpuller: Well you don't get the UGA behavior.
thestringpuller: But that's a little much.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
thestringpuller: UGA, when school is in, is like Mini Mardi Gras every weekend.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074178 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Football games there leave the city of Athens looking like the Greece Athens right nao
mircea_popescu: shit, there's two of them in atlanta ?
mircea_popescu: well fuck me, maybe i was confusing one with the other
thestringpuller: UGA is in Athens 2 hours east of Atlanta
mircea_popescu: hm
thestringpuller: Atlatna has Georgia Tech, Georgia State and Emory
thestringpuller: Also Agnes Scott...
mircea_popescu: dude perspective's a bitch. it's almost like you can make no useful judgement about anything of note from having spent half a weekend in some rnadom town
BingoBoingo: Last ditch phone charging https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1896752_807594532587586_979724882_n.jpg
kakobrekla: yeah idiot, should set it below 500w
mircea_popescu: blame tesla
ThickAsThieves: gavin is doing an AMA tomorrow
kakobrekla: on 4chan?
BingoBoingo: !up disident
ThickAsThieves: on fortran
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://coinbrief.net/bitcoin-block-size-economics-gavin-andresen/ << you see that yet?
assbot: Bitcoin Blocksize Economics: Gavin is Wrong - Coin Brief
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol what is that
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 44 Ask: 241 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2736k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 54
mircea_popescu: "Coin Brief is Your Open Source for Digital Currency News, and was formed in April 2014. Since that time it has quickly grown, and is becoming THE hub for digital currency news, information, and tools." ooookay ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00074182 = 10.6859 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen danielkrawsiz
gribble: I have not seen danielkrawsiz.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen DanielKrawisz
gribble: DanielKrawisz was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <DanielKrawisz> Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28052 @ 0.000742 = 20.8146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell DanielKrawisz "The real issue here is that Bitcoin is almost certainly not sustainable if the block size remains limited to 1 Mb. " << nobody agrees with this idiocy.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: "read it. Was it reviewed by any actual economists? Mine was by five, are we all wrong?" ~gavin
mircea_popescu: just as well you might be saying "the world wil not be sustainable if there's not more social justice"
ThickAsThieves: we
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: It's the only other article I found disagreeing with Gavin.
mircea_popescu: it may be fashionable AMONG IDIOTS, it's neither true nor important.
ThickAsThieves: we means you when i want you to be me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, usgavin is pulling out the "your shit's not usg certified" card.
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp-a-derp, such a valid argument that is, really.
mircea_popescu: perhaps we "just don't understand how the world works".
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone wants to ask gavin anything, you've got plenty of material in here.
ThickAsThieves: but how we will do more tx than VISA?
mircea_popescu: "Why are you lying ?" is a good start. "Why are you acting as if Bitcoin were a USG project ? It's not, you are."
mircea_popescu: etc.
ThickAsThieves: those arent really question tho hehe
ThickAsThieves: s
ThickAsThieves: why are you what i say you are?
bounce: not unusual for scores of economists to be all wrong together
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was merely summarizing.
ThickAsThieves: or to be wrong in general
mircea_popescu: bounce that's not even it. is he genuinely proposing that the bar for corectness is finding 5 "actual" economist sto agree,
mircea_popescu: because out of the fifty billion idiots that are nevertheless certified as economists by the us paper mill
ThickAsThieves: and why did none of them cosign?
mircea_popescu: never has it happened that more than 4 were in agreement on any piece of idiocy
mircea_popescu: nor could it, for structural reasons he's omitted to explain ?
ThickAsThieves: "Who are the 5 economists?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no. that is pushing things the wrong way.
mircea_popescu: because then he can give 5 names and make it look like he answered something.
ThickAsThieves: need to paint into corner to get truths
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less if five popes signed on his stupidity.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how this doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that gavin is trying to paint the box for the discussion.
mircea_popescu: and WE won't admit this theory where "econoimists" matter.
mircea_popescu: if they did, they had made bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: they didn't make bitcoin. they don't get to join later on and get a seat at the table.
ThickAsThieves: so he can be like 'ok ok gais, we'll only do 10% size per year, no shaddup'
mircea_popescu: an economist wants to be an economist, 6 months on the logs and tit pictures.
mircea_popescu: like everyone else.
ThickAsThieves: now*
Namworld: I found a food wholesaler in the middle of the city, industrial looking building. It's like entering some fish factory or something. Things look old, a bit unclean. Looks like a factory filled with supplies.
Namworld: Best shopping experience I've ever had tho...
bounce: you like shopping in fish factories?
mircea_popescu: so, anyway. questions. "What makes you think getting the okay of five anon products of the US diploma mill has any bearing ? Bitcoin wasn't made by "economists"
Namworld: Apparently. But it was just an example, didn't really smell of fish.
mircea_popescu: but im still partial to "why are you lying".
bounce: is it lying if he doesn't know better?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/TamithaSkov/status/524237383676338176
assbot: Large M-class flare now &climbing! /hashtag/hamradio?src=hash blackout, /hashtag/GPS?src=hash, satellite phone& i-net issues next 1+hr esp W.Hemisphere http://t.co/XDx4g2mRrj
mircea_popescu: he is opening his mouth, that's the voluntary act.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't make sure he knows any better first, that's the culpable act.
mircea_popescu: anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?
Namworld: You know what I mean. Stuff not kept in perfect condition, lighting not very bright. Lots of spillage/uncleaned stuff. Rust/dirty walls.
Namworld: It looks like an actual warehouse, not a "warehouse" supermarket.
ThickAsThieves: https://www.circle.com/en/2014/10/20/circle-submits-comments-nydfs-proposed-bitlicense
assbot: Circle Submits Comments to NYDFS on Proposed BitLicense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00074216 = 15.7746 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: so you still get to buy stuff by less than a full distribution box?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who knows, maybe they learn to not pdf.
mircea_popescu: after which, they might matter.
Namworld: Yes. They wrote what could be bought in single quantity. Opened boxed and unopened ones. Usually a discount for whole boxes and half boxes.
Namworld: I mostly went to check for meat/fishes to fill my freezer.
bounce: complete powertrip for the regulation peeps. "oh, new thing, money-ish. let's r e g u l a t e" -- and then just sit back and watch the companies affected fall over themselves to submit to not-even-existing-yet regulations
mircea_popescu: fucking shocking, 5 "actual" economists found that agree inflation is a good idea, and if anything is naturally uninflationary, adding it in is the tits.
bounce: the regulators really don't care what they're regulating, as long as they can make you dance on their regulation strings. what are we regulating this thing for again?
mircea_popescu: bounce yup. which is why the "you seem to have omitted suckling my penis, son" is the right approach.
mircea_popescu: anyway, got a meeting. we can resume usgavin and the five fail dwarves discussion later.
Namworld: idk why I never looked for one before. I'd recommend. It's just better.
bounce: cherry-picking your economists, sort-of like cherry-picking your data, but not quite.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not playing this stupid game. he wants to ama, he can come here.
bounce: somebody might drop the hint there
thestringpuller: http://bitcoinist.net/the-optimal-block-size/ << this article references Mircea
assbot: The Optimal Block Size | Bitcoinist.net
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu *
thestringpuller: oh and it links to the logs
thestringpuller: someone is sane?
bounce: really don't feel like reading the entire circle thing. the headlines read reasonable but eg. the bit about aml merely says "aml doubleplus good. we happy to aml for you. you want even more aml than the feds, no good." which is a bit weak.
ThickAsThieves: itd be unreasonable to ask for special treatment for less reg
ThickAsThieves: in the end, current regs already do apply
bounce: it's the only way out, actually
bounce: look here, the guy's proposing lots of regs so he can make his mark on history. then he can do one of two things: more regs, recommending less regs. what he cannot possibly do is keep regulatory levels the same as federal requirements because that deprives him of making his mark on history.
bounce: this goes even if it's the only possible choice. that it isn't, because the aml regs already make little sense and even more stringent rules therefore can only make even less sense.
bounce: so what's going to happen is there'll be some toning down on this proposal to show heart to the community and all that, but we still end up with more rules than already required. and in a few years the whole thing becomes obsolete because unworkable. there goes the mark on history.
nubbins`: "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here."
nubbins`: my sides
ThickAsThieves: tbf, that's how mp would write it
punkman: such wordsmith
nubbins`: i chuckled, gotta say
nubbins`: altho he did incorrectly quote.
nubbins`: i think the <<< indicating reply wasn't picked up
nubbins`: so it seems like he said the whole thing, when in fact it was a comment on something you said
nubbins`: but hey, that variety speak 8)
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: i just saw that in the logs
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the shirts are well received
thestringpuller: What size was the one that was being worn in the proof shot you send me?
thestringpuller: sent*
nubbins`: ah, i have no idea
nubbins`: that was just a stock photo
nubbins`: maybe a small?
thestringpuller: well there was one where someone was wearing the physical shirt (i think it was your wife?)
nubbins` struggles to remember
nubbins`: help me out here
thestringpuller: one second
thestringpuller: http://imgur.com/lJulXNl
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ah, yes
nubbins`: that's a small
thestringpuller: k
thestringpuller: we've almost sold them all I think 1 left?
nubbins`: suite
thestringpuller: what would another order cost now that the screen exist
nubbins`: $9.75ea for another 6
nubbins`: it's still up on the press now, otherwise it'd be a bit extra
thestringpuller: nubbins`: does that include shipping?
nubbins`: no
nubbins`: shipping is w/e the postage said last time ;D
thestringpuller: hopefully petenineteen didn't toss it out
nubbins`: i might have it here
thestringpuller: coocoo
nubbins`: nope, n/m
nubbins`: didn't print the postage for that one at home
nubbins`: i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00074128 = 33.2093 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1070.19 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.32 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> someone is sane? << apparently it's possible
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> in the end, current regs already do apply <<< ahahah what ?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers
mircea_popescu: what they opine as to how either of those should work, well... i'm a believer in free speech just as much as the next guy.
mircea_popescu: they can opine anything till they drop.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40 << llol. isn't thiks true of like, 90% of all postage ever ?
nubbins`: i can send a flat-packed poster to nottingham for the same price i can send a dozen shirts to china
nubbins`: if there's logic in that, i can't find it
nubbins`: worse voodoo than airline seat pricing
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13906 @ 0.00074128 = 10.3082 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.4-traders.com/news/21-Top-Bitcoin-and-Digital-Currency-Companies-Endorse-New-Digital-Framework-for-Digital-Identity-Tr--19226116/
assbot: 21 Top Bitcoin and Digital Currency Companies Endorse New Digital Framework for Digital Identity, Trust and Open Data
mircea_popescu: herp.
bounce: buzzwords and marketeerspeak, aka smoke and mirrors. what's the substance?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/#c4170 << shit is this actually the player in question ?!
assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closing in 4 hours 4 minutes | weight: 115 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value
mircea_popescu: and yet nothing occurs to him.
mircea_popescu: what could possibly be wrong with infinite blocks . pdf
bounce: didn't really adress that, did he? not the only thing he glosses over.
mircea_popescu: the worst part of it being that you know, he KNOWS about this place.
mircea_popescu: could have avoided being stupid in public by just asking.
bounce: curious really how the difficulty gets adjusted automatically but the size limit, implying a maximum number of transactions per second, isn't.
mircea_popescu: well, curious how the car moves forward, but not realy upward.
mircea_popescu: gotta have some fixed points to have a working equilibrium
mircea_popescu: if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess.
mircea_popescu: that's actually the definition of mess.
bounce: postmodern us is full of silly arbitrary limits; it's not a natural equilibrium
mircea_popescu: this prolly warrants an in depth discussion. like what ?
bounce: not that blocksize elasticity is automatically a good idea. it opens up an avenue for attack to push the smaller players out
mircea_popescu: that'd be unrelated. can we discuss one thing at a time ?
bounce: hm? how, oh, aml/kyc stuff causes banks to be happy to kick clients out that cause regulatory headaches. why are banks supposed to be policing their clients again?
mircea_popescu: so far what i got from your position is, "curious how the market adjusts the price of the oil barrel, but not what a barrel consists of"
bounce: or that whole spiel with the cows and the senator
mircea_popescu: yes, it has to work that way. some things gotta be fixed.
mircea_popescu: how are either of those two examples of limits ?
bounce: to the point that fixing the points becomes its own game, and they're "fixed" in the sense that a happy few get to move the goalposts but they're not moving any less. they are pretty much guaranteed to be suboptimal, though.
mircea_popescu: which is what "if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess." is saying.
bounce: was under the impression you were referring to a non-meta-game situation
mircea_popescu: ah kay.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "blocksize elasticity" and all the rest of the derpage is trying to turn bitcoin into whatever, xrp, nxt, whatever the hell.
mircea_popescu: if those things actually worked, they wouldn't have blown up.
bounce: those have variable-sized blocksize limits and that caused them to blow up?
bounce hasn't really kept up there
mircea_popescu: no, but they've had "we know shit and we have economists" dev teams
mircea_popescu: and THOSE caused them to blow up.
bounce: no shortage of those
mircea_popescu: looking at things from a distance always helps. "oh, you wish to tell me that if we make this bar so that anyone can come in and not pay a cover charge it'll be cooler ?"
mircea_popescu: totally, this works, yeah. which is why nobody does it in practice o.O
kakobrekla: <bounce> those have variable-sized blocksize limits < i dont know if anyone did this before
mthreat: I can't read Tuur Demester's name without saying it "Turd Meister" in my mind
kakobrekla: bad stenography
mircea_popescu: mthreat it's a common complaint
mthreat: whew
mod6: mircea_popescu: way to hurt some butts in the USGavin trilema article. good read. :)
bounce: plenty places without entrance fees. enabling uncool people to have fun too.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated pankkake
gribble: You rated user pankkake on Tue Mar 25 20:14:04 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: dev, my ATC broker.
mircea_popescu: aww, atc.
mod6: ikr :/
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pankkake 1 some lols were head, meanwhile he left.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 3 to 1.
kakobrekla: well, left ba.
mircea_popescu: what else is there ?
mircea_popescu: but no, he quit brokering many months before that, an' he we were sort-of working on a project but apparently never went anywhere.
bounce: call it a vacation
mircea_popescu: mod6 anyway, cheers.
TomServo: Did he ever give an explanation? Was it really SystemD bashing?
mod6: apparently there is no where else. his /wi info lists no other chans. heh.
Apocalyptic: on freenode whois only lists channels you have in common
mircea_popescu: TomServo i have nfi. bounce sure, teh future's an open book.
Apocalyptic: here's in #paymium at the moment, at least
mod6: Apocalyptic: ahh. i see.
Apocalyptic: *he's in
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326208 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35823836452.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.34656
mod6: ;;seen vragnaroda
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> I'm American.
mircea_popescu: wonder what became of him
mod6: i feel like maybe he was in a different chan more recently than that. but maybe it has been that long o.O
mircea_popescu: ;;seen staatsfiend
gribble: I have not seen staatsfiend.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen staatsfeind
gribble: I have not seen staatsfeind.
mod6: who was the guy who ran spotify coin? can't recall.. he dropped off the map too.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a parking lot, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/577513_301766546573169_885425518_n.jpg
cazalla: mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? <<< jesse's words, not mine, they did pocket some cash from investors, gotta spruce the japanese launch somehow
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah but you see what i mean
mircea_popescu: whether we're getting paid for that sort of thing or not, it's still paid pr.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? <<< i thought i mentioned their low vol in the article, guess not
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how's the piece coming along ?
mod6: ;;seen mcorlette
gribble: I have not seen mcorlette.
mod6: ;;seen mcorlett
gribble: mcorlett was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <mcorlett> Except for yourself, of course.
mircea_popescu: o the guy quit, i recall
mod6: 'bout the same time.
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: no fucking way.
mircea_popescu: vrag was iirc a mortar man
mod6: as in artillary?
mircea_popescu: yea
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla yeah but you see what i mean <<< not really, it's not a promotional piece, just quoting what the man said himself, i'm not too familiar with kraken guys though tbh
mircea_popescu: cazalla but when you quote what the man says whle the man's puffing up his business, you are in fact publishing paid pr.
mircea_popescu: whether you get paid or not.
cazalla: but i should've mentioned the non existent vol kraken has
mod6: ah. yeah, recall some mil stuff he talked about. been a while. i liked his angle on things.
mod6: and he was teh grammar nazi & had a love for beating trolls.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated vragnaroda
gribble: You rated user vragnaroda on Sat Sep 22 16:11:20 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: when he's a naxi who keeps corecteing ppls grammer 24/7.
mod6: haha. yup. :)
mircea_popescu: that was an actual quote.
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, you can mention the time they lost customer deposits, too, round it all up, since it's there.
kakobrekla: fuck the deposits nice logo
cazalla: when did that happen
mircea_popescu: cazalla few months ago, they had this embarassing moment when they sent the same deposit address to anyone asking for a deposit address for a day or two
mircea_popescu: ended up with ~100 btc in deposits they couldn't properly credit.
kakobrekla: hm i have a different recollection but could as well be wrong
kakobrekla: could be it was a separate incident.
kakobrekla: but anyway, if you need to 'balance' things, you can always link bash :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how did yours go ?
kakobrekla: now that i started to think about it it - the more i think the less i recall
mircea_popescu: heh.
bounce: <mircea_popescu> all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything. << oh yes. there was this mass-everything criminal, showed up everywhere, who eventually turned out to be a sloppy worker in a dna swab factory
kakobrekla: honestly, they still have issues all the time
kakobrekla: hard to keep up whats the latest problem
pete_dushenski: howdy!
mircea_popescu: hey p.
kakobrekla: also i am unable to find anything written re that incident
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu heya wd on that latest usgaving piece :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpoe-pr told kraken pr to quit over their trying to paper over that incident.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847
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PinkPosixPXE: Good, almost done, I had to jump in a work meeting to discuss the Bash Shellshock vuln, and repatching some systems.. But I gave BingoBoingo an update, and will be sending it off shortly. It's my first shot at this, so I hope it's not too egregious.
pete_dushenski: fwiw our ddos buddy hit contravex with 30mbit/s for a whopping 30 mins.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the no vol i'll include but this missing 100 and same deposit address i can find nothing of
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: and it was 600ish bitcoin they admitted to
mircea_popescu: cazalla link above :p
cazalla: ty
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE ok ok
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate PinkPosixPXE
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for PinkPosixPXE.
mircea_popescu: don't go around trying to buy ratings, it's criminal.
kakobrekla: yes rings bells mircea_popescu .
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, that was my mistake, the joke was in poor taste, and I also misunderstood the ranking system a bit. Sorry about that.
mircea_popescu: poor taste never got anyone in trouble here.
mircea_popescu: but some things *are* sacred
kakobrekla: and natural balances of the assiverse were restored
PinkPosixPXE: I will openly admit I am still learning, and new, but will try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too much :P. I've combed over all the wiki's for bt-otc and bt-assets, and am going through the 6 months of logs as I find time.
mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living anyway ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo daniel "speeks" ? i'm not the only one who noticed this...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski did the 30mbps do anything ?
PinkPosixPXE: I'm one of the Senior Linux/Unix Admins for a publishing company.
mircea_popescu: a hey. good for you.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Where I spell ungood this time?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke.
pete_dushenski: so not much to speek of...
mircea_popescu: lol
PinkPosixPXE: Thank you much, and thank you for the unrate, and clarifying the matter :).
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: ^cuz rip penguirker
mircea_popescu: ahahaha didja run off with the niquette piece ?
pete_dushenski: ...maybe
pete_dushenski: plus some money logs!
pete_dushenski: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jgmbm/we_won_without_trying/
assbot: We won without trying : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: good, stuff needs to breathe.
pete_dushenski: in through the nose, out through the mouth.
mircea_popescu: "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win."
mircea_popescu: ahem.
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin won without the reddit doge derps trying"
mircea_popescu: .... right. so ?
pete_dushenski: so majick!
mircea_popescu: let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo maybe this is qorth a qntra ? http://www.tonewsto.com/2014/10/jp-morgans-jamie-dimon-bitcoin-will-try.html
assbot: JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon: Bitcoin Will “Try to Eat Our Lunch” | Cryptocurrency And Bitcoin News information on other digital currencies.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu reddit is bitcoin and vice versa so bitcoin winning is because of derpage!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You want to give newswriting a try? It's fun.
pete_dushenski: i did for a few years with the car industry.
mircea_popescu: lol isn't he a tad late ? but yeah
pete_dushenski: i had fun with it too.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so write it up.
pete_dushenski: yes mlad
pete_dushenski: :)
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla best i can tell, all someone needs to do is a) be a sysadmin and b) colocate a few boxes in a decent dc
mircea_popescu: then sell space.
kakobrekla: adding another liability in the chain
mircea_popescu: a liability could be a responsibility.
mircea_popescu: if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust.
mod6: yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon
mircea_popescu: colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever
mircea_popescu: thus creating a single point of failure. which people can evaluate for trust.
kakobrekla: btc people wont pay for premium host
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00074197 = 17.6589 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: cheap dirtbags
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this.
kakobrekla: by ddosing?
mircea_popescu: consider yest, qntra was up but say bingo's blog was down. well ? what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: and yeah he'd pay.
mircea_popescu: yep
kakobrekla: average blogger cant afford any but free hosting
mircea_popescu: blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries.
mircea_popescu: the idea that poor people have something to say boggles.
kakobrekla: dunno, with hosting providers having the margins same as the fees of bitcoin exchanges
kakobrekla: there isnt much space
mircea_popescu: !up dr_love
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i specifically recall say asciilifeform asking for one.
mircea_popescu: it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets
dr_love: mircea_popescu: thanks.
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
kakobrekla: how did bitvps do?
dr_love: is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery?
mircea_popescu: great, up until rg went on a drinking binge or w/e it was he did
mircea_popescu: dr_love define lottery ?
jurov: kakobrekla bitvps went down in flames
jurov: and kicked its customers at first occassion
kakobrekla: classic problem of small providers
dr_love: mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot
mircea_popescu: in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals.
mircea_popescu: dr_love how is this different from a dice site ?
kakobrekla: when one customer will threaten all the seven you got
BingoBoingo: dr_love: I'd recommend picking a fiat lottery and starting a BitBet on its drawing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a flawed premise. collective security, baby.
dr_love: mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers
kakobrekla: like cloudflare!
mircea_popescu: dr_love so it's a dice meets gem site ?
dr_love: well yeah, I was just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroMillions#Distribution_of_revenue, where 50% goes to shit
assbot: EuroMillions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
dr_love: a Bitcoin lottery could do much better than that
mircea_popescu: dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess.
jurov: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay?
dr_love: so you're saying all gambling is dice, it being the best way to put it out there?
jurov: *basket
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math.
dr_love: *the best, most efficient wrapper
mircea_popescu: jurov a) most dcs that are even half decent don't charge for ddos ; b) those that do rent you fixed pipe anyway
kakobrekla: 100$ a week should not be a number of importance
mircea_popescu: so i dun get the question.
kakobrekla: or you are doing it wrong
mircea_popescu: buy 10gpps, put a rack in there, forget it.
dr_love: BingoBoingo: that is interesting
jurov: so you'll gonna having customers that dwarf the $100 figure right from the start?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14904 @ 0.00074128 = 11.048 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math
jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog?
jurov: *wanting to pay
mircea_popescu: jurov so if a business isn't insta-cash positive it shouldn't exist ?
kakobrekla: no, he didnt get ddosed & kicked out yet :)
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him.
mircea_popescu: start with oh i dunno, 10k in venture capital
mircea_popescu: !up MCM-Mike
jurov: i'm a dc noob... how much is such a pipe?
BingoBoingo: http://www.missilebases.com/#!communications-bunker-paris-mo/c1kkg << prototype for BTC datacenter?
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
dr_love: mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying
mircea_popescu: jurov depends a lot where and for how long you're getting it, really.
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Well dice is the prototype for all of the pure chance games
dr_love: btw, why aren't you running JD already?
mircea_popescu: cuz dooglus is not answering emails ?
PinkPosixPXE: There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy).
dr_love: fucker
dr_love: what a waste :(
mircea_popescu: hey, his thing.
PinkPosixPXE: brb, gonna finish this novel up and send it to BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: Oh a long one!
mircea_popescu: jesus, qntra chick lit now.
jurov is pondering http://www.maxdedicated.com/10GBPS-Unmetered-Server.html
assbot: 10GBPS Unmetered Dedicated Servers Windows and Linux Cpanel PLESK WHM
jurov: $600/mo +
PinkPosixPXE: Well.. since it's my first, I figure you can at least cut and scrap what you don't like. But I wanted to include as much as I could, didn't realize it'd be so long, heh..
mircea_popescu: jurov that's a reseller.
jurov: just ballparking
mircea_popescu: should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing.
dr_love: BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto
mircea_popescu: but very congested places it can run significantly more, and some (esp new) places may be giving it away free for a long commit
mircea_popescu: dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times)
bounce: "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil?
bounce: s/parces/parcel/
mircea_popescu: or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time.
mircea_popescu: they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well more parcel for smaller bunker means more surface area for missiles to miss
dr_love: I do understand that, however people are perceiving it differently and positive EV tickets are a few jackpot rollovers away
mircea_popescu: bounce 8k sqft underground is a respectable wine cellar.
mircea_popescu: dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question
bounce: what was it used for, missiles?
BingoBoingo: bounce: That one ATT long lines.
BingoBoingo: Another interesting candidate for DC use http://www.missilebases.com/#!storage-depot-ne-kansas/c1d1o
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
BingoBoingo: "Storage Depot"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not.
mircea_popescu: is there one in kansas ?
bounce: that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days
dr_love: what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering
BingoBoingo: That one seems to be by KC, so probably feasible to get fiber from a few different directions
bounce: might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it.
kakobrekla: speaking of bunkers http://www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php
assbot: CyberBunker DataCenters
kakobrekla: heh
mircea_popescu: http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/atlas/williamscommunications_large.gif << seems west kansas should be ok
BingoBoingo: http://www.missilebases.com/#!nike-indiana/c1aq8 << Missile Magazine to home conversion
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
mircea_popescu: dr_love hence the "gem website" reference.
bounce: cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in.
mircea_popescu: Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th ☟︎
mircea_popescu: e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one
mircea_popescu: inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home.
mircea_popescu: aww.
mircea_popescu: dat phonecall lol. like a chick stood up on a date, only lulzier.
bounce: that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice"
undata: that is beautiful
mircea_popescu: "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a “routine check” and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence.
mircea_popescu: After paying € 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team."
mircea_popescu: ahem. shitheads.
BingoBoingo: !up dr_love
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3
kakobrekla: at least they admi it
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that was proven to be completely false
kakobrekla: admit
Diablo-D3: someone called their local cops
Diablo-D3: it never happened
kakobrekla: yeah like cops will say "yeah we are such dorks"
kakobrekla: not saying its true story, just your argument is meh
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it
Diablo-D3: and theres zero proof it ever happened
undata: "It was ruled a suicide with 4 shots to the back of the head."
kakobrekla: reeshurrdurrch
Diablo-D3: so cyberbunker is just another scam
undata: Diablo-D3: citation
mircea_popescu: "they". who ?
Diablo-D3: undata: well thats the problem
Diablo-D3: undata: cyberbunker needs to cite that it actually happened
Diablo-D3: and by their own admission, they wont post the video
Diablo-D3: but its not because they were paid off by the police to hide it
Diablo-D3: its because there isnt one
mircea_popescu: it could be, sure.
mircea_popescu: or it could not be. so far, word against word.
Diablo-D3: people were even offering money for proof
Diablo-D3: nothing ever came up
mircea_popescu: "people" "money", meh.
Diablo-D3: this was big news a few years back
undata: Diablo-D3: yeah, I want citations in both directions
Diablo-D3: undata: well, Im not going to cite something that long ago
Diablo-D3: I dont think the scam is still operating
mircea_popescu: so basically you had nothing to say ?
undata: Diablo-D3: you're claiming "scam" hence citation or gtfo
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I already said it
Diablo-D3: it was debunked.
mircea_popescu: except it wasn't.
Diablo-D3: no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it
Diablo-D3: so it never happened
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: good enough.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/424219_347892685293888_904705219_n.jpg
mircea_popescu: ahhh. hey, am i the only strega fan here ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google liquore strega
gribble: Strega (liqueur) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strega_(liqueur)>; Liquore Strega Herbal Liqueur Profile and Cocktail Recipes - Cocktails: <http://cocktails.about.com/od/liqueurscordials/p/Strega-Liqueur.htm>; Liquore Strega : Strega Alberti Benevento S.p.A.: <http://www.strega.it/Store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1>
dr_love: mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies?
mircea_popescu: dr_love nothing's offtopic anyway. kakobrekla's favourite film director.
kakobrekla: certainly one of the fav yes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla who else ?
dr_love: I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema coffee and cigarettes
gribble: Coffee Talk Table of Contents - Columbia Evangelical Seminary: <http://www.columbiaseminary.org/coffeetalk/>; UI Critical Thinking Handbook: Chapter Seven -- Theory: <http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/crit_think/chapter-seven-1.htm>; Topic tags for the tutor2u Economics blog: <http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/index.php/economics/tags>
mircea_popescu: hm
kakobrekla: nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such.
kakobrekla: and from 'local' ones, kustarica
Adlai liked ghost dog
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought i had written about coffee and ciggs. seems not ?!
dr_love: you should
kakobrekla: dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control
kakobrekla: dead men being lulzy as fuck
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o you didn't like coffee and ciggs ?
kakobrekla: i dont recall if i watched it?
dr_love: kakobrekla, what about only lovers left alive
kakobrekla: i havent seen it
kakobrekla: seems a new thing
kakobrekla: limits of control is a metaphysical art movie.
mircea_popescu: !up morgan-freeman_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35225 @ 0.00074068 = 26.0905 BTC [-] {4}
morgan-freeman_: hey guys, did you see this epic use of bitcoin? www.shitexpress.com
dr_love: kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really
morgan-freeman_: i am literally laughing my shit off
kakobrekla: morgan-freeman_ now you only need to ship it.
morgan-freeman_: to shit it and ship it
kakobrekla: dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally.
mircea_popescu: morgan-freeman_ let me guess, you can mail shit to people ?
kakobrekla: correct
mircea_popescu: new way to stegano, i guess.
morgan-freeman_: well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins
bounce: why are you spamming this in as many channels as you can?
mircea_popescu: yeah, morgan-freeman_ is this your site ?
dr_love: what do you guys listen to?
mircea_popescu: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/paul-krugmans-house/view/bing/ << send krugman one lb, i'll pay you once he gets it.
assbot: Paul Krugman's house (Bing Maps) - Virtual Globetrotting
kakobrekla: >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur
kakobrekla: e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either.
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: apparently a legit company bought this fake company bunker.
kakobrekla: legit hosting company
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: haha link ?
kakobrekla: all is weird
morgan-freeman_: bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried
kakobrekla: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-04/cyberbunker-hacking-as-performance-art
assbot: CyberBunker: Hacking as Performance Art - Businessweek
bounce: who're these friends of yours?
kakobrekla: “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub
kakobrekla: letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says.
mircea_popescu: o hey.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website
bounce: that isn't really an answer.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: or they saw it today on producthunt.com
undata: :-) One weird trick to mail shit to your friends! Must see!
BingoBoingo: morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton?
dr_love: I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort
kakobrekla: bing'o'shit express?
mircea_popescu: dr_love some pretty girls are terrible lays, too.
mircea_popescu: just how the world works.
mircea_popescu: lol bing'o'shit express now that sounds like business.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer.
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: for more effect you could just modify a 'jokerbox' to 'shitbox'
kakobrekla: illustration not necessary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36621 @ 0.00074029 = 27.1102 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up dr_love
dr_love: means it works the other way too? retards can show appreciation for good art?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: dogs loive music all the time, too.
dr_love: or shit artists can create good art, from time to time
dr_love: illustrious example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQoHKkZZkA
assbot: GEORGE MICHAEL Spinning the wheel - YouTube
dr_love: sorry, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSoMTkn_Qfg
assbot: George Michael - Spinning The Wheel - YouTube
fluffypony: I'm 14 and what is this
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8359 BTC. Current weight: 64,561.
bounce: oh. you went over to the dark side too then?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23753 @ 0.00074005 = 17.5784 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog << machine is wanted for nosuchlabs.com - currently home to 'phuctor.' i've an astonishingly vast quantity of donated pubkeys - job that wants real, vs. virtual, cpu to crunch (and plentiful memory)
asciilifeform: bunker << if against usg - grave. marauders - sure, so long as you have independent air, water, fuel, food supplies.
asciilifeform: if you're a very special customer, they'll pump in sarin/vx.
bounce: what sort of cpu do you need? would gpu do?
asciilifeform: these were never designed to withstand physical attack by men (vs nuke)
asciilifeform: bounce: no
asciilifeform: my father, as a private in soviet army, was trained, like many others, to take out 'silo' type missile installations with ordinary grenade. (how? jam the door by propping small explosive, e.g., grenade, under one rail. tricky bit is to get to the damn thing, across an ocean and under guard...)
asciilifeform: but hypothetical enemy in our modern scenario has no problem getting to the door.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16130 @ 0.00073892 = 11.9188 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: "blah blah new australian exchange is where investors, traders and everyday people come to buy and sell Bitcoin." today's vol 21 btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6570 @ 0.0007382 = 4.85 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat operating inside?
kakobrekla: isnt cutting the net pipe the first and the last thing ?
BingoBoingo: ^ that
BingoBoingo: But who knows? maybe drilling netpipe to china will be feasible eventually
kakobrekla: even if you have a netpipe straight down its sill easy to undercut it
kakobrekla: :\
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla through earth pipe will never happen
BingoBoingo: It might
mircea_popescu: mantle movements and besides, it's where lava comes from
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it provably won;t, no.
kakobrekla: shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No one said it would last
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo my first qntra is ready for your consideration: http://pastebin.com/ctTHPWbg
assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" - Pastebin.com
BingoBoingo: Just needs to work long enough to pass "hello Wor[melts]" kind of like reverse moon probe
mircea_popescu: o hecy check that out, 7 pieces today so far ?
pete_dushenski: what a team!
mircea_popescu: im pretty impressed yeah
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hopefully you have footnotes plug-in that accepts double brackets ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Who doesn't
mircea_popescu: lol standards are a thinb
pete_dushenski: lol there's a square bracket one too yknow
pete_dushenski: i don't use it but it exists
pete_dushenski: and i kept the contravex links to a single one ;)
Apocalyptic: in other news http://rt.com/news/197648-moscow-vnukovo-jet-crash/
mircea_popescu: "I am Ratna, 47 years, still having good figure, which is a result of satisfying fucking with different people during last 15 year. In my first 32 year I took only one cock in my cunt whereas in next 15 year I must have taken at least 3000 cocks in my body. This all because of my only son."
mircea_popescu: logic.
pete_dushenski: yup. no conflating variables there.
mircea_popescu: all these planes keep crashing in russia ...
kakobrekla: but its been like days since the last one
mircea_popescu: ah right. nm, my bad.
pete_dushenski: still safer than russian cars too so that maxim holds
kakobrekla: he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.'
kakobrekla: righto
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-tells-big-banks-thanks-for-lunch/ << pete_dushenski
assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: >his new Lords < extra space
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/524339019954794497
assbot: My first piece for /qntra: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" http://t.co/DtFQOFXNEL
pete_dushenski: my goodness we're an efficient bunch
pete_dushenski getting teary
pete_dushenski: have a wonderful evening b-a!
kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: <pete_dushenski>
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/31/y-combinator-the-american-idol-of-venture-capital/
assbot: Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla will fix all your sites
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13705 @ 0.0007382 = 10.117 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol kako teh pentester