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ossabot: Logged on 2016-06-30 11:33:02 a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.

mircea_popescu: whenever it's bois freedom afternoon at the household of whatever chick owns his sorry ass, half hour sunday while she's out with her friends or w/e, and then drops random offensive nonsense that doesn't actually go with anything but it's nevertheless the best he could get to in the limited time and with the limited involvement his owner permits.

mircea_popescu: pick some people you actually care about, and connect with those. stop trying to shinohai yourself the imaginary world of where you've wrung the persons out of their deeds, and now looky there's just this pile of hallucinated freedom for you to wither atop of.

mircea_popescu: the natural counterbalance of a hallucinated right to "suspend" is the very real freedom to treat the hallucinator as a common scammer, which is PRECISELY what they are.

mircea_popescu: almost close enough to lend credence to the theory whereby "modern democracy" is just bald faced freedom=slavery label misdirection.

mircea_popescu: funny how close together freedom & "mistreatment" tread.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:33:27 BingoBoingo: to mull a bit, but has been mulling the potential for situations like this since the http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ negrating waves

BingoBoingo to mull a bit, but has been mulling the potential for situations like this since the http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ negrating waves

ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-14 12:11:05 mircea_popescu: !!rate mike_c -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

BingoBoingo: Uruguay isn't without its charms, and it may be time to let another lord the opportunity to claw their way out of the zone. I woke up today with the oddly relaxing freedom that comes from not knowing what the immediate future holds, even if last night I put a good number of kilometers on the odometer in the drizzle loosening the big ball of stress I'd been trapped in.

girlattorney: in particular i'm referring about BGP hijacking and the general fact that IANA is a third party of a government, that a day could decide to limit the user freedom

a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).

mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity). ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

hanbot: sure. i'm used to seeing freedom used on slavemaker apparati like stickers proclaiming some homeopathic garbage is detoxifying or whatever, though. FREEDOM!!1 Eat it and live forever, pleb! rare to see it approached like the foreign, dead carcass i suppose it actually has become, like this, poked with a stick from a distance, "freedom of expression".

asciilifeform: only with adobeolade, apparently, can the mcd 'freedom fried' be painted the just-so shade of yellow.

trinque: dunno what the guy thought he had coming, trying to play the "freedom of the press is real!!1" line

mp_en_viaje: freedom as in stupid.

asciilifeform: i distinctly recall a thread where mircea_popescu explained 'stupid wants to go and be with other stupid'. i.e. buncha derps in ro considered 'freedom' to be 'go shopping in vienna'

mircea_popescu: the cohen dork, ~claimed it~. like rms or linus or hwatever other, "cypherpunks" / "internet freedom" blablabla. like the piratebay dorks, like zimmerman, and so on.

mircea_popescu: much like the much earlier version libertard's notion of "god" or the classical libertard's notion of "freedom"

a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 02:20 mircea_popescu: it was utterly the case of eg ro revolution. none of the people there wanted "freedom". they were literally pissed off they can't drive over to austrian border and load up the car at the w/e discount shop.

mircea_popescu: somehow the lesson that "anomie-freedom's worse than ANY KIND of slavery" still unlearned, 20 years later. "why did savannah fail ?" "dunno" "but you said somethings about it, dorky. where's the review of them ?" "not me!"

mircea_popescu: they love the whatever, "world", "cosmos", whatever it is, and dun wanna hurt it. and they figure if they don't exist, can't hurt it. and so will studiously avoid saying "~I~ forbid you from X", not because "they believe in equality" or "it's impolite" or "other's freedom" or any such bs. the driving force is simply that IF you say "i order/forbid you" then therefore you CAN end up in the situation whereby "you forbade me and

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably because "Savannah has high project approval requirements and thus visitors can expect freedom-related qualities from projects hosted here (such as no proprietary dependencies). Moreover, there are no advertisements, thus you do not run the risk of getting an ad for a proprietary competitor on your project page."

mircea_popescu: better freedom fight caracas than baltimore, in any case.

mircea_popescu: freedom fighters, amirite.

mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be difficult to notice that the "gcc plugging wrong end of funnel" is not simple coincidence, but the necessary result of the feelings and optionalities these idiots perceive themselves to be having without actually having them.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 16:11 mircea_popescu: !!rate dooglus -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

nicoleci: BingoBoingo, ah sweet freedom.

mircea_popescu: and then they don't, because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ still very much a thing, and slaveworld mindset very much still http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 and so on. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: Reads the big German philosophers and gets disappointed when I fail to turn the freedom trap I offer him with the Pric into a win

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'lasted just long enuff to show what freedom smelled like' or how did it go

mircea_popescu: "freedom" of the hallucinated optionality flavour has costs.

a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.

mircea_popescu: seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ?

asciilifeform: item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro

mircea_popescu: i took it as a "freedom" : back in soviety, had to have basic, here can install w/e one wants.

mircea_popescu: do you understand we shot that idiot, and for our trouble got "freedom", and so no fucking body reads anymore ?

mircea_popescu: "yay team! we get the benefits of vicarious athelticism!!" "in the sports bar ?" "of course!" "what benefits are those ?" "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!"

mircea_popescu: i do recall an http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ "skeptical" moron ; buit the name didn't ring for some reason.

BingoBoingo: And just for asciilifeform: The impact of small differences on Trump's freedom to act as exemplified by Jeff Session's acting replacement "Incredibly Swole Guy" - https://archive.is/oTq9X

mircea_popescu: Mass protest meeting organised by the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, the National Federation of Women Workers, the Federation of Women Teachers, the Women's Co-operative Guild, the Association of Women Clerks and Secretaries and the Fabian Women's Group (tbh that was absolutely everyone) to condemn France for the alleged war crimes committed by the Senegalese. If you're there on April 27 '20, make sure to

mircea_popescu: because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

mircea_popescu: "then you want to put these '''maximal freedom''' elements in a tree ?" "it's not a tree, it's a '''directory structure'''." "wtf is that ?" "a half-baked tree." "you're really dedicated to this half-baked thing beyond all else, aren't you ?"

asciilifeform: Mocky: unixism per se had ~nuffin to do with it. incut away a degree of freedom. unnecessary degrees of freedom are fundamentally harmful in re simplicity/sanity.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 00:38 mod6: mircea_popescu does have a point re 'freedom of navigation' tho. but ya, if it doesn't matter to BingoBoingo, I'm game.

mircea_popescu: even before the obvious "my slaves have 0 problem with no freedom, but just try and not make sense", nobody fucking ever had a problem with freedom ~as such~, because it's not fucking possible. because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-05#1188784 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: freedom was never the fucking problem.

mircea_popescu: then they come with the "solution" to the not-making-sense problem by implementing "freedom", and sure enough there's idiots down the line wanting to stuff omlet in ear and piss out nose and be "transnourishal".

mircea_popescu: the essence, inalienable and substantial, of all freedom, is global responsibility. yes this means that you may end up blindsided by landing empires of bugs. it also, together and inseparably, means that you may be a person, and things such as "i'm not about to tell you what comp lang to use" etc. as counterdistinct from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666454 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the process through which they succeeded this replacement was inventing a hallucinated "freedom" for slaves, a thing that can never be.

mircea_popescu: nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc.

mircea_popescu: transforming it into a shitpyre wherein the delicious butttears of thousands of http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ manaloning engineers flow freely is the play.

mod6: mircea_popescu does have a point re 'freedom of navigation' tho. but ya, if it doesn't matter to BingoBoingo, I'm game. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: trinque it'd prolly be a good idea to get wires going as a "freedom of navigation" exercise.

mircea_popescu: wut do ? wut do ? http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ ; specifically : for as long as every moron thinks he can make his own decisions, ugs's the necessary end result.

mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842466 : http://braythwayt.com/2013/10/04/the-freedom-to-pay-thirty-bux.html (meanwhile at https://github.com/raganwald/braythwayt.com/blob/gh-pages/_posts/2013-10-04-the-freedom-to-pay-thirty-bucks.md because, in the derp's own words, "i am an imbecile".) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the geopolitical lesson of all time : in that they did preserve intellectual and personal freedom, the germans failed to produce a "french crown" so they ended up demographically sucked up and re-packaged by one of the peripheral french crown usurpers.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

mircea_popescu: recall, the whole point of propaganda is for you to choose without having to. hence both http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/#selection-419.0-431.38 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841255 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the job of the humans involved at any juncture is to make the job of the other humans that might become involved ~possible~, which is what http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/#selection-549.0-553.0 is all about. and so on.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/#selection-549.0-553.4 ie, "consumer market"

deedbot: mircea_popescu rated elaineo -10 at 2018/07/21 20:50:49 << http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 16:12 mircea_popescu: !!rate elaineo -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/

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