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BingoBoingo: And in herpity derpadoos https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/vazquez-no-aceptamos-que-se-diga-que-este-gobierno-va-a-entregar-un-pais-en-crisis--20181219153853
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882282 << as i understand, on reread of thrd, there are no fewer than ~3~ bags of lulz : 1 is last yr's, which phf described as entirely useless in the end, and i'ma believe. another is this yr's, which hasn't been combed yet. and the third is the 'putative' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882266 . ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:53 mircea_popescu: yes, but it seemed to me as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:28 phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882279 << this is 1 reason why the discussion is moar than about a piece of pot shard from archaeo-dig . does phf trust asciilifeform's oath as a lord ? if not, really he oughta update rating of asciilifeform ! and if yes, then i dun see why to dangle 'next week, next week' in front of asciilifeform for yr+ and never show any dirt, large, small. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:49 phf: asciilifeform: fwiw i didn't ignore your point. i don't trust you with this stuff, and not because you're not trustworthy, but because you refuse to be discreet when asked to be. and again since this will be misconstrued, i'm not saying keep things secret, i was specifically asking you to _quitely_ use the products of my work.
mircea_popescu: the only bag of lulz is the apparently endlessly recurent "this chick's a moron but ima indulge". ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which'd be which ?
mircea_popescu: today, "i'm talking to this guy, who is not smart enough to make a key upon reading the logs, but is smart enough to have interesting things ". traditionally-bolix, "these six morons that weren't apt to survive nevertheless made important tech". generally throughout, "i dunno how to resolve the tension between stupid and horny", from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 to http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-26#770352 and 9k ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:57 mircea_popescu: why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?
a111: Logged on 2014-07-26 17:26 mircea_popescu: "just get rid of her if she's annoying" leads directly to "and get rid of any slaves that can't cope with no pp or complain enough"
mircea_popescu: examples in between.
mircea_popescu: it takes stronger distorsion fields than i'm willing to run, the entertaining of this particular flavour of "but nevertheless" ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun demand that the deaf understand, somehow, music. observe that mircea_popescu dun care for bolix, and i equally duncare for bondage&discipline, yet we still find what to constructively say to one another on occasion.
mircea_popescu: straight up http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/
asciilifeform: and i appreciate that mircea_popescu knows how to approach subj abstractly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which would be the "music" in this discussion ?
asciilifeform: the 1 and only ~sane comp built to date.
asciilifeform: ic design chain that fit in 20kloc. etc.
asciilifeform: i aint presumptious enuff to suppose that i can re-create 'all of it + some + hookers & poker' without dig of orig.
mircea_popescu: let me tell you a story.
asciilifeform: i like stories
mircea_popescu: one day a poor gypsy teenager with no clear clan affiliation ran away from whatever rural shithole.
mircea_popescu: spent a year or so taking it in the ass in the backroom of various roadside inns.
mircea_popescu: eventually had enough and returned "home".
mircea_popescu: told the gathered round kiddies that he was all the while in service of the prince of sarajevo
mircea_popescu: who defeated the americans at the battle of krivoy rog.
mircea_popescu: at ~this particular juncture~ kiddie mp tunes out. because while he can't evaluate whether this gypo did or did not serve a "prince of sarajevo" he might or might not have heard of,
mircea_popescu: he knows for a fact how this "battle of krivoy rog" turned out.
mircea_popescu: ~if~ those people were smart enough to build the item you describe, the ~reasonable expectation~ is they'd have been smart enough to behave ~muchly variant~ from the ~actual way they behaved~ in fields much easier to observe. ☟︎
asciilifeform: y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe' ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is no proof. but it does inform what is, for all of us, a reasonable suspicion. you think you have reason to suspect bolix is more notable than atari. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i think i have reason to suspect ~the people who made it~ are ~not more notable~ than say amir taaki.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what do you want me to do ?
asciilifeform: i'm under 0 illusion that i have a case built that's mircea_popescu-grade convincing.
asciilifeform: sorta the thrust of asciilifeform's 11 yrs of archaeology -- to at least build case.
asciilifeform: not even to rebuild old irons, as such.
asciilifeform: if i build ~case~, and then piano falls on me, that'll be enuff .
mircea_popescu: so then, thing can sit as it sits, i don't expect to persuade you (and i see the merit in "pre-republic, engineers===morons". i just don't see why this should be perpetuated, hence original "bag of lulz" comment.
asciilifeform: next asciilifeform can convince next mircea_popescu that there was a troy in the dirt.
asciilifeform: the 1 possible annoyance is that unlike old troy, these baubles dun last 4evah, e.g. rated life of eprom is ~40y
asciilifeform: ( i actually have an example of a decayed 1, elsewhere )
mircea_popescu: in short : you (correctly) insist because it hasn't been proven not to be ; and i am not particularly taken because it doesn't seem to have been. these are different measures.
asciilifeform: i dun have any quibble with mircea_popescu's unpersuadedness.
asciilifeform: it is 100% reasonable from his pov, he did not dig for 11y.
asciilifeform: 'troy, what troy, it's myth and it it were any good for anyffing it'd still be standing' etc
mircea_popescu: right ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform on other hand would rather dig for troy than sex.
asciilifeform: that's simply how beelzebub made him.
mircea_popescu: dig, dig.
asciilifeform: and i long ago gave up to expect any help from anybody in the matter. thrd where asciilifeform annoyed, is specifically re 'promised, promised, and 0 deliver', which i think is a situation mircea_popescu can relate to in own head
mircea_popescu: it'd be a lot more relatable if you managed these things more like i do and less like a rabid pubescent wolverine.
asciilifeform: how did that old hajja nasredin parable go ?
mircea_popescu: which one ?
asciilifeform: the one where 'well if ~you~ were nasreddin and ~i~ were the king, then it'd be you standing in front of me' etc
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: mkay.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were wolverine, and i were mircea_popescu , there'd be, lol, same thread...
asciilifeform: ( imho it is not given to have 2 mircea_popescu's, the gods dun have enuff juice to plug'em in 2 at a time )
asciilifeform: in unrelated (but not entirely) noose, uncrated chinese macro lens, and it aint halfbad
asciilifeform pleasantly surprised.
spyked: !Qlater tell lobbes euloran rss feeds are now loaded into feedbot. let me know when you can sync up to aim feedbot at #e ☟︎
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Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881740 speaking of summaries, this summarizes my entire experience here ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 17:18 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881688 << and here I thought a large part of the republic was to reveal one's inner idjit. worked for trinque.
mircea_popescu: i suppose there's one element i really should add to yesterday's proceedings. !!seen won't see it, but there's always http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-12#1198904 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-12 19:02 pete_dushenski: !up anig
mircea_popescu: i've not spoken to my mother since 2015. we were always very close, and i always liked her, enough so that three decades together didn't produce any cause of rupture. yet somehow, somewhere along the way she got the idea she has the option of venue, and it's up to her whether to be here or not.
mircea_popescu: it fucking isn't. i'm not kidding around : "you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to say ? how is this to work ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882295 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882301 ☝︎☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:35 mircea_popescu: the only bag of lulz is the apparently endlessly recurent "this chick's a moron but ima indulge".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:39 mircea_popescu: it takes stronger distorsion fields than i'm willing to run, the entertaining of this particular flavour of "but nevertheless"
mircea_popescu: it's not "just something you say".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in alf-interest items, https://i.ibb.co/0jZ1tPM/chicks-for-nerds-cunts-that-matter.jpg
asciilifeform: lol! random chunks of school on'em..
mircea_popescu: yes, but at least the bookshelf looks like ~genuine books~ as opposed to "what hollywood thinks bookshelf looks like, they've never seen one", and the scribblings genuine physics as opposed to usual hurr durr the chickies of http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/#selection-63.0-99.0 & http://trilema.com/2013/queers/#selection-83.0-83.148 fame
mircea_popescu: come up with.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the sort of familiarity-breeds-all-i-need morons "don't get math". boys, especially engineertards, may think her legs carefully exposed so as to "resolve" the "hot but not hot enough for the girlgroup to say slut" "dilemma" pass ; but math never fucking passes, it's always a case of either the way or the highway.
mircea_popescu: and the femtard really dun like that.
asciilifeform nostalgiates, 'i had that chem text! and these coupla other.. and even that encyclopaedia.. here it lies, sad, in a crate..'
mircea_popescu: well wtf are you gonna do with books, in 2018.
mircea_popescu: there they rot.
asciilifeform: the 1s i actually look at , are on shelves, but i only got x metres of wall...
mircea_popescu: i don't even.
asciilifeform: i recall
mircea_popescu: books are too fucking depressing. "hey, remember when people read ?"
mircea_popescu: "oh, that was before the revolution."
asciilifeform: 'remember when people thought'
mircea_popescu: do you understand we shot that idiot, and for our trouble got "freedom", and so no fucking body reads anymore ?
mircea_popescu: cuz obviously, right, why read.
mircea_popescu: now they got options.
mircea_popescu: viermi adormiti, in plm.
asciilifeform: it's how homo redditus is created, aha
asciilifeform: 'options'
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://lurkmore.to/%D0%9A%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D1%81_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8,_%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81 quite entertaining.
mircea_popescu: "Мужчина без остро выраженной социальной позиции напоминает трансвестита, подкаблучника, труса или еще какую дешевую мерзость, недостойную носить это гордое имя: Воин! Дядька, стыдливо проходящий мимо подлости и грязи, — это уже напо
mircea_popescu: ловину тетка, вне зависимости от его кондиций, возраста и социального статуса."
mircea_popescu: if you ever wondered about the deluge of crossdressers -- this is exactly it, i'm sure. in the immortal words of Weston Amsbury Liggett, "to beat everyone, including you, to the punch".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'who not with us..' item orig from lenin
asciilifeform: (but erryone prolly knew)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882358 << i can see the pov. otoh i dunno if it'd be great for snr if errybody's mothers tuned in ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 14:08 mircea_popescu: it fucking isn't. i'm not kidding around : "you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to say ? how is this to work ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882295 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882301
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: generations that get unplugged from sense, aha
mircea_popescu: but instead, "совки vs. либерасты" hurr. they reconstructed "the dilemma", truly more meaningful than their lesser brethren's "coke vs pepsi", but to them ~just as meaningless~. the fucking point is that they ~want~ the "superiority" of http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#footnote_5_53722 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the 90s romanian redditard magazine was called "dilema".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has a lot more in his hand with the whole degenegeliation theory than readily realised : schmucks simply wanna "dilemma".
mircea_popescu: somehow the idiots born during the latter half of the cold war decided the only way to "truly live" is in stasis, waiting for "unresolvable conflict".
mircea_popescu: this so evidently has nothing at all to do with "cold war" and "nuclear standoff", either.
BingoBoingo: Nah, they thrive pretending to unresolvable conflict
mircea_popescu: right ?
BingoBoingo: Hence trillions for F-35 which is only a danger to pilot is not controversial while ~5 billion for wall can't happen. The conflict MUST survive!
BingoBoingo: Wall fits in the "againing" It's about all US has left in its ablity to act, but because it could be done Pantsuit desperately doesn't want it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am entirely not proposing any others ~have their mothers do~ anything specific, this or that. i am saying though, and plainly, that the sort of people whose mothers ~don't do what they tell them to~ это уже наполовину тетка.
mircea_popescu: (degenegelation, portmanteau of degeneration and hegel)
asciilifeform: what can mother do ? 'i have hole in overcoat, mother fix?' 'sure'
mircea_popescu: depends whose, it is not for me to say, nor am i interested in saying.
mircea_popescu: you figure it out.
mircea_popescu: and there's no sarcasm nor any subtext at all there. i'm not gonna tell you what to do with your women in general, but by the time what you're doing is driven by "what will wife's daddy think", you fucked up.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/der-spiegel-social-engineer-lauded-by-pantsuit-peers-and-misrepresenting-self-as-journalist-turns-out-to-have-been-prolific-fiction-writer-the-whole-time/ << Qntra -- Der Spiegel Social Engineer Lauded By Pantsuit Peers And Misrepresenting Self As Journalist Turns Out To Have Been Prolific Fiction Writer The Whole Time
BingoBoingo: ^ In refreshing changes of pace, old woman bitching did something exciting for a change
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "to de reporting"
mircea_popescu: "demonizing bloodthirst nationalist vigilanties" << y
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 08:35 spyked: !Qlater tell lobbes euloran rss feeds are now loaded into feedbot. let me know when you can sync up to aim feedbot at #e
lobbesbot: lobbes: Sent 7 hours and 44 minutes ago: <spyked> euloran rss feeds are now loaded into feedbot. let me know when you can sync up to aim feedbot at #e
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882353 << ditto. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 12:54 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881740 speaking of summaries, this summarizes my entire experience here
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/argentine-court-orders-prison-for-christina-fernandez-kirchner/ << Qntra -- Argentine Court Orders Prison For Christina Fernandez Kirchner
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Thank you for fishing us a customer
danielpbarron: np
BingoBoingo: In other news, USG doesn't know how to do police raids. US police don't even bring the power and water companies with them as a matter of course.