a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:45 asciilifeform: ... lobbes ?
lobbes: to my (admittedly, untrained) eye, it does seem like BingoBoingo is the ideal fit for the role; not only is he literally closest to the venture, but he also has sales experience iirc. Maybe what is needed is just a trusted "assistant manager", i.e. someone to handle the minutiae on a day-to-day basis under the direction of a chief strategist.
lobbes: seems like that's what mod6 and BB are missing: "bandwidth to do X"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 00:06 ben_vulpes: stand by to slow down
lobbes: seemed to hit the wall right around height 350000
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:11 asciilifeform: incaphilia, turns out, afflicts not only elderly greybeard profs.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:26 asciilifeform: we had a 1950s 'zil' that still worked in '92 when we left.
mircea_popescu: turns up top of the search if you try and find "zil fridge"
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:36 diana_coman: in practice one single person has only 2 hands, that's the thing
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:39 diana_coman: mod6, honestly, how do you see this sorted ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:44 asciilifeform: ( i omitted diana_coman because presumably hands full, but whoknows... diana_coman ? )
mircea_popescu: (large part of the problem being, of course, that management folk are very disused to any sort or kind of actual work ; matter-of-coursedly display bizarre remunerative expectations on one hand and middling skills at busyworking/clockwaiting doubling an appetite for actual work verging on nil.)
lobbes: asciilifeform: oya, I've squirreled away that link to the timer patch you dropped earlier in the logs. I'm thinking I'll apply it to my node once I get auctionbot2.0 through the conveyor, after which I can publish more concrete data.
mircea_popescu: because the moron utterly has to
http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ ; can't simply come fucking here, register a key, do something useful as ordered. no, none of that, business school produces more special cuntlets than miss america competitions, he gotta sing his own fucking tune. because this is actually possible, every dick, tan and harry can come up with marching tunes.
mircea_popescu: i'm about as impressed of this autistic waste as of pete_dushenski's latest lists of important bitcoin posts he thinks he's made, and whatever other monkey-emperors of "all they survey".
BingoBoingo: lobbes et al: I'll keep taking stuff on my plate, but the reason Pizarro isn't BBISP is... A need for more direction.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in practical terms, you got a place to sleep and an internet connection. what specifically is keeping you from building up sales funnels ?
mircea_popescu: trinque's provided a turnkey accounting solution, you do a !!ledger once a month, reconcile it with ops list and there you go, accounting's done.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nothing, updates from the funnel mines should be starting
mircea_popescu: did the clickbank account ever stand up ? etc etc, i dunno how executing on the lenghty list of items in the log these pasts month could put one behind.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: I have one a localbitcoins account, started flirting with the alt-alt, and do have this lengthy list of items to push on
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:41 asciilifeform: phf, trinque , danielpbarron ^
BingoBoingo: I am comfortable taking tech direction from alf. If mod6 wants to take the purse from ben_vulpes, that's a board.
trinque: beyond that, what's not clear is whether management means directing, or doing a lot of hands-on work on machines. it's likely I have little time for the former, but have absolutely no time for the latter.
trinque: the fact that wallet features benefit greatly from a live and healthy pizarro is also not lost on me, which is why I jumped to be (afaik) live customer #1
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think you have any business getting involved, fwiw. you're doing great in your line, keep doing that.
trinque: yep, delicately saying as much. activist customer is about as far as I'm able to sign in blood atm.
BingoBoingo: Well, pizarro has the dedicated boxes that require invoicing and the occasional standup. The rockchips that require invoicing and the occasional standup. Then there's the shared hosting server which is beefy as hell and runs a very lean gentoo.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 21:39 diana_coman: mod6, honestly, how do you see this sorted ?
mod6: I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that has been a welcome change
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time. << One way to handle this is... Take over what ben_vulpes on an interim basis and hand off tasks you don't have time for.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes hire someone, i get it, but really that's not how hiring works. hire someone that what ?
mod6: Yeah, I need to write up a job description.
mod6: And BingoBoingo, yeah, that's the plan. I'll do the best I can at this, but the more I learn about what was all involved day-to-day with ben_vulpes, the more I'm worried that I'm ill-equiped to do this work.
mod6: mircea_popescu: hmm?
mod6: To your question "hire someone that what ?" : That manages the day-to-day task for BingoBoingo, does accouting tasks (reporting, invoicing, payments), can possibly lend a hand with sysadmin tasks. That sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the impediment is here. looky here : 1. you want to write a ~new~ job description, now. the job isn't new, so where's the old job description ? if you didn't have one then, why would you have one now, and if you didn't think you need one then, why would you need one now, and if it didn't occur to you to write it then why are you qualified to write it now ?
mod6: So, a job description would be helpful.
mod6: I have no idea. I'm just trying to swim upstream here, Sir.
mircea_popescu: 2.
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh him.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 18:37 mircea_popescu: well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ?
mircea_popescu: ima ask again the thing i asked you lot when you came up with the batshit insane options arrangement : do you think he's not a real person because he's actually DOING things, real things, scary real things such as fucking venezuelans, and real people are only the meditative kind ?
mircea_popescu: because there's problems here, and you're not helping yourself with the approach.
mod6: I sent out personalized letters to two Lords asking if they wanted to fill the role. I didn't sit back and kick it.
mod6: And to the point of BingoBoingo, he has said before that he wants direction from a manager. As he said earlier tonight.
mircea_popescu: the difference between these two is lost on me, seeing how the lords are at least sufficiently acquainted with the situation and sufficiently possessed of their own wits to volunteer if they feel it.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, and i want kim kardashian to blow up my ass. we get what we get.
BingoBoingo: mod6: A fairly hands off (i.e not day to day situation) report to the board situation is fine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and you! don't get into that situation where halp, has not what to eat and nothing's moving, you hear ? survival skills, yes!
BingoBoingo: Since leaving the noise of the hostel that possible reality has been easier to hear.
mod6: <+a111> Logged on 2018-07-02 18:37 mircea_popescu: well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ? << you know, when we talked about this a week ago... it never even considered BingoBoingo , not because i think he's not a person or any such nonsense. But because when we started this ventue, he said that he needed strict guidence.
mod6: But I missed what you were asking, you were asking if I was going to promote BingoBoingo. I totally didn't even get that until just now.
BingoBoingo: Well, the strict guidance thing was before ben_vulpes gave it a shot
mod6: And I agree that the man could be good at it. But I tend to believe a man when he says "hey, I need instructions, day to day".
mircea_popescu: the more you believe that, the more the day-to-day instructions books grow...
mod6: Hey, nothing against BingoBoingo. At all. He has been through a battle, this is true.
trinque: after surving all that, man just needs a mirror and to look once in a while
trinque: "oh, should shave/eat/get dick sucked for wildcatting like a boss"
trinque: actually fuck the shave, wildcatters grow beards
BingoBoingo: <trinque> actually fuck the shave, wildcatters grow beards << This is true
trinque: trinque, beard also. the metaphor went sideways on me!
mod6: BingoBoingo: I'm gonna let you think about it for a few days if you need. Think about if you really want to take on major parts of this role. I think you ~can~ do it. But, I don't want you to feel overwhelemed or pushed into it either.
BingoBoingo: Last time I tried the shaving it was maybe a week and a half before I had straight out of Africa shaving bumps
mircea_popescu: mod6 seriously, pushing people into things, scary things especially, is what the job is. fuck him, let him swim already. what is this, the girlscouts ?!
mod6: i need the man to stay content with his situation, he's the boots on the ground.
BingoBoingo: I'm not buddhist. Contentment is impossible
BingoBoingo: But we have just about burned through half of July since ben_vulpes' announcement
diana_coman: mod6, asciilifeform BingoBoingo thumbs up, box is ready, thank you!
diana_coman: and as a customer of Pizarro I'd be very happy to know that BingoBoingo takes on the management role and gets it moving;also, re directions to my mind this forum here is a great place to come and ask about scary/unknown stuff *early*
diana_coman: I meant: to ask early about it and get help figuring it all out
deedbot: brazilish voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: brazilish, voicing is based on your standing with deedbot
brazilish: trying to set it up on a vps to give it a try
brazilish: i'm trying to running trb on the cheapest possible setting
☟︎ brazilish: currently is syncing on a single core kvm vps
brazilish: first question is: do initial sync benefits from moar cores?
☟︎ diana_coman: there is that "I'm too poor to afford cheap things"
diana_coman: brazilish, the good approach there is to gather data on that, publish it with discussion and link it here
brazilish: actual stats on a 10 USD vps: 1.5h to compile w/o issues on debian 8
brazilish: then added a 30 usd 300GB virtual drive to store the blockchain, and started the syncing process
brazilish: now at height 200k is becoming painfully slow to process blocks
diana_coman: !!v 8376BDDBF18F260F7DF218B104B676C9726A5BB17942BA1CDAA49A6E5AD50C88
deedbot: diana_coman rated brazilish 1 << He says he's trying to run TRB and get himself a blog.
diana_coman: there, I rated you so you should be able to self-voice now
diana_coman: brazilish, did you get the timing patch and noticed lower timings or how is that "painfully slow to process blocks" evaluated?
brazilish: i followed the procedure on thebitcoin.foundation
diana_coman: iirc no, it does not; did you read the log for yesterday?
brazilish: painfully slow: last 24h processed just 10k blocks
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, going to get some caffeine in me and make it there
diana_coman: brazilish, it will get slower; iirc there is even some known further slow down ~300k ; that doesn't mean though that more cores will do anything; before you attempt throwing more cores at it or better disks or whatever, you need to understand *what* causes this slow down; so if you are serious about it, go and investigate and see where is the bottleneck
diana_coman: this is not even a bad project for starting, so go for it, just do it properly and publish the write up
brazilish: can i ask what specs have actual running trb nodes?
☟︎ brazilish: and approx how much time the initial sync needs with these specs
diana_coman: uhm, search for "trb node" in the logs - that's about the closest you'll get
diana_coman: brazilish, the fastest way to sync short of feeding the blocks directly is with the agression patch
brazilish: btw, I did my research about the evil of a virtual machine setup, but I'm just doing it to test a running node before having bare metal at my premises
brazilish: so wanted to stay on the cheap side
diana_coman: brazilish, nothing wrong with experimenting as long as it's done with a clear plan and then reported on
brazilish: diana_coman: i saw on the foundation site that you have an advertised node
diana_coman: and a serious dose of log reading seems required; do your searches, gather what answers you get from them , write them in a post on your blog and THEN if it's still unclear come and ask, with a link "here's what I figured out, here's what I still have no idea on"
brazilish: can i ask the specs of this one and if you remember how much has spent syncing?
diana_coman: you can ask; I don't see the benefit to either of us in an answer
deedbot: xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
brazilish: problem: downloaded asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch and placed in patches folder, same for the sig file in .seals, then running ./v.pl p v trb054 makefiles.vpatch, but i don't get the patch in the src files
diana_coman: good; explain why do you think it should press that patch ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it was the first; but also quite an important one
diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: I still have to go through the rest and I'll probably report as I go
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 13:37 brazilish: can i ask what specs have actual running trb nodes?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, ~all that is *already* in the logs; but I don't know what sort of shoving and pushing and prodding will get him to really search for it
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 13:24 brazilish: i'm trying to running trb on the cheapest possible setting
brazilish: different AS from aws, still under US control
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mircea_popescu: smoking nervously in the corner, cazalla mother[m] valentinbuza zineKing zx2c4 etc.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well, everyone was warned in February during the last bleeding
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 15:40 BingoBoingo: diana_coman asciilifeform KVM is pulled
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck him, i dunno that he was part of any kind of solution at any point in his miserable existence.
BingoBoingo: Of the worst kind. Made an alt-perl and then would not stop breaking it