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feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/vice-versa-by-thomas-anstey-guthrie/ << Trilema -- Vice-Versa. By Thomas Anstey Guthrie.
shinohai: That spider header has got to be one of my new faves mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo has yet to see an impressive spider down here. No monkeys, no death spiders, two kindly garden snakes, morbidly pale latinos... What kind of South America is this?
shinohai: Seems Venezuela gets all the cool stuff, like Relampago del Catatumbo and La Mancha Negra. Dunno if they have death spiders there either though.
BingoBoingo: Well, they have some pretty cool snake fighting dogs
mod6: tight
BingoBoingo: Good boys, but big mastiff good boys
mod6: ah big dawgs eh
BingoBoingo: Well, in Vzla they got jungle and jungle means anacondas
BingoBoingo: Here in Uruguay we have grass and grass means cows, or rats in locations the cows don't fit
BingoBoingo: But there are indeed cows in city limits
BingoBoingo: Just gotta go to Mujica's hood in Prado to see them
mircea_popescu: https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13905138.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_MAIN-Brexit.jpg << anyone spot the difference >> https://archive.is/wUtKi/b3218d8701549846a8368939a450d4d3950f68b6.jpg ?
BingoBoingo has the elements of a Mujica post bouncing around for the new post box
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One of those trannies can pass for 40
mod6: One is an actual clown, the other just pretends to be.
mircea_popescu: the sudden political implosion & sinkage of airstrip one is pretty lulzy. "henry 7th powers" indeed.
mircea_popescu: don't you need a henry first ?
BingoBoingo: The henry is out next to the rookery
BingoBoingo giving an appearance at the Montevideo Open Chess Tournament a thought
mod6: Always a good way to sharpen your skills.
BingoBoingo: As my ELO is well under the 2400 necessary for a fee waiver and free room I suspect the 60 USD would be better allocated to either a Daschund or cheese
mod6: Ask some fellow republicans to play against you from time to time, I bet you'd find some takers.
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure we did that drunk in 2013 and the truffles chick nearly won before disappearing
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I have access to one of Uruguay's top players.
mod6: Ah, that works. Playing your betters will always improve your skills.
BingoBoingo: http://fuajedrez.com/Noticias/ID/1169/III-Abierto-de-Montevideo-Copa-Marcel-Duchamp-2019 << The thing that got caught in the alerts filter
BingoBoingo: FU ajadrez indeed
BingoBoingo: 60 USD registration fee and 16th-30th place offer 50 USD as the prize
BingoBoingo: But for prospecting I expect the Chess crowd would be more lucid than the stoners
BingoBoingo: And no, I have no idea why they named it after urinal guy yet
mod6: I'll stake you if you wanna go and rub-elbows with these guys.
BingoBoingo: Not necessary
mod6: Fair enough, Sir.
BingoBoingo: Registration doesn't close until the 31st or they get enough paid interest. In the interim I'm mulling over the opportunity cost of the tournament versus a pupper versus more cheese.
BingoBoingo: February is the month of prepping for alf and more Rockchip, pupper and cheese can both wait
BingoBoingo: For the raep story files from the Toronto Sun: https://archive.is/fLZBv with the question: What gender does RBG identify as in the hospital?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. lullies, https://www.jugashvili.com/about/
mircea_popescu: Jacob completed his secondary education in Moscow and thereafter studied at Tbilisi State Academy of Fine Arts from 1992-1994. In 1997 he graduated from the Glasgow School of Art (Painting and Drawing) with a BA. Between 1997 and 2000 Jacob showed at various London venues: the Boundary Gallery, Lamont Gallery, Royal College of Art, London Art Fair, Georgia 2000 exhibition at Cork streets Gallery 27. In 1999 his works were sho
mircea_popescu: wn at Batumi Art Museum (Batumi, Georgia).
mircea_popescu: From 2000-2005 Jacob did almost no painting, working instead in IT business.
mircea_popescu: there's some serious fucking issues in the brainbox of the rettardit generation. why THE FUCK do they think i'll take their pompous bullshit seriously ? what fucking fine arts. it's a dodge.
asciilifeform: sic transit gloria mundi (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: he's as much an "it specialist" as he is a carpenter, painter or politician. "could do anything!!!" as sure as fucksticks, but irl unskilled and unwilling to work.
asciilifeform: to rework the old saw, the a-students birth the b-students, ..., the c-students birth the redditus.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: go win those fiddibux, wainot, it's honest dough
asciilifeform: oh wait '60 registration fee' lol
asciilifeform: ffs.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA
BingoBoingo: 1st is 1200 bucks, but I know if Shubert shows up I place lower than Shubert capping my ceiling
asciilifeform: who's shubert ?
asciilifeform: sad great^3grandson of composer ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Good fellow who does morning shifts at the barracks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun think i could resist the temptation . and whoknows, maybe yer schubert eats 1 too many magick pies that day , and loses
BingoBoingo: Reads the big German philosophers and gets disappointed when I fail to turn the freedom trap I offer him with the Pric into a win
BingoBoingo however can summon arbitrary numbers of magick pies of arbitrary magick content within ~3-5 days notice... such is Uruguay
asciilifeform: so algo is then obv.: 1) obtain pies 2) treat the kraut 3) win the 1200 ...
BingoBoingo: Mystery is how many other krauts/russians are in the mix.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's surface inspection, place wasn't exactly swarming with either. then again mebbe they all were in the fu ajedrez
BingoBoingo: You were the one who picked up a bubuska's Russian at the feria with your ears
asciilifeform: did i, hm
BingoBoingo: Near the torta fritas on la calle La Paz. Far north end of the Feria
asciilifeform nao recalls.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do you recall a bunch of loud electric taxi chargers near the intendencia? I forget when they showed up, but if you can offer a yes/no that shrinks the window
mircea_popescu: meanwhile trilema hitlogs for today >1gb. this "every tard a netlink" world sucks.
BingoBoingo: 4srs
mircea_popescu: there's really no need they should die christened, let alone connected.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun think those were there, then
mircea_popescu: who ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the future is clearly wifi panchos https://i.redd.it/4vsofdw11lc21.jpg
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uy/spirt.jpg << oblig ru.uruguay
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: adivino que he's talking about the city hall taxi chargers
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> Jacob completed his secondary education in Moscow and thereafter studied at Tbilisi State Academy << i read "thereafter" as "therefore" and was very confused/amused for a minute
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NzBhm/?raw=true << here's a sampler of "activity".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~1G/diem is approx what asciilifeform's www shits out. so loox like yer hotlinker-ratpoison worx!
mircea_popescu: as it happens that's not a bot -- is allocated to some schmuck in yonkers, ny, and the timing delays clearly indicate what these fucktards do : RETRY.
mircea_popescu: i shudder to think how many times the average toaster is rebooted on an average week of its average life in the average yonkers household.
mircea_popescu: guy prolly takes his pets to the vet, "doc, i think something's wrong, i keep retrying them on the nose but nothing happens"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's prolly a pnojeist on an underground train, or sumthing equally sad
mircea_popescu: who tries and tries and TRIES AGAIN.
mircea_popescu: this is what orange man's gonna make a maga out of ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck.
asciilifeform: well yea train goes into tunnel, then out
mircea_popescu: i bet you 5 years after reddit went the way of the dnc, they'll still be pressing f5
asciilifeform: they would if crapple kbd still had a f5 lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf tunnel is there between yonkers and queens or w/e ?!
BingoBoingo: I suspect is likely a Google trying to cache lost porn. Or a butthurt RO dude abusing google yonkers machines now that he has a pension.
mircea_popescu: it's allocated to some dude's house.
BingoBoingo: Maybe the reddit sciencehaet chick?
asciilifeform: then i got nuffin
BingoBoingo: Or google is playing house with a 9 year old boy?
mircea_popescu: google schmoogle. the ~only life skill of jugasvilli & co consists of clicking the retry button indefinitely.
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=from+74.90. << bonus lul
asciilifeform: ( none directly from the subj tho )
asciilifeform: loox to be dead, fwiw.
asciilifeform: or hm, nope, just swallows icmp
asciilifeform: actually listens on 4567, the infamous actiontec backdoor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's yer answr.
mircea_popescu: what is ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: luser on 1 of the big monopoly isps in usa; runs the stock router, which contains a nobu^H^H^Hfree-for-all openrelay
mircea_popescu: nobody's openrelaying anything. that it's a typical ustard was not in dispute ; that he's doing this manually neither. schmuck is sitting on a couch as we speak, "surfing" ie trying to load pronz "from google", because "he lives in a society" and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: while the ramen stores last, at least.
asciilifeform: could be. openrelay ddoser would at least make some sorta sense tho. vs. this.
mircea_popescu: absolutely 0 sense, why the fuck would "openrelay ddoser" follow 301s
asciilifeform: point
asciilifeform sold.
asciilifeform: re 'orange man', apparently caved today
asciilifeform: re the shitdown.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mentioned earlier
BingoBoingo: I read less of a cave, more let them choke on cake
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889962 << aa ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 19:47 BingoBoingo: In other news, it looks like Trump agrees with OMB on the furlough thing per http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ Agreeing to turn the government back on for 3 weeks and then declaring emergency
BingoBoingo: Trump gives Pantsuit voters paychecks through 2-15-2019, after that they deliver his wall or he declares and emergency and heads roll to be impaled on artistically designed steel border slats
BingoBoingo: I read Trump seeing that blame in this dispute is still not sufficiently laid upon Nancy's failure to engage Trump. For that reason Trump is teasing Nancy with 3 weeks to engage or hang herself.
asciilifeform: i dunget why not tease with another +3wks of hunger
BingoBoingo: Too many weeks of hunger they die. Gotta toss some carbs occasionally to sustain the suffering.
asciilifeform: lol what die. i dunget the whiners, either, what sorta office inmate wouldn't kill for month of vacation ( even unpaid )
BingoBoingo: 3 weeks of food means he can run to November 2020 selling how reasonable he was
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol what die. i dunget the whiners, either, what sorta office inmate wouldn't kill for month of vacation ( even unpaid ) << Maduro's Venezuela has some pretty sweet beaches now forbidden to USG.blue according to intel.
BingoBoingo: Culturally Vzla is Batista's Cuba with a culinary norm higher than ham sandwiches
mircea_popescu: i guess i can see it.
BingoBoingo has read many "trump surrendered" gut reaction pieces which all neglected time value. What are 3 weeks out of 104 weeks.
BingoBoingo: For all the years Castros have held Cuba, Cuba like the rest of the island caribeans lacks an answer to the Areps
BingoBoingo: *Arepa
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo reading through this crap i see what you mean ; not exactly exultant pantsuit on the receiving end of trump's mercy. seems rather most of the low level bureaucracy will vote trump next, notwithstanding it owes so much to a lengthy clintonism.
mircea_popescu: in bernie bernbaum's tems, "what have you done for me lately", and ESPECIALLY "how likely do you look to be able to do much".
BingoBoingo: Right, the only exultant mouths are Buzzfat reporters getting laid off, to be included in a weekend roundup of Pantsuit trips and falls
BingoBoingo: Maduro thrives on low level bureacracy. I doubt anyone is taking Nancy seriously after she proposed the same sum Trump wanted, but for robodogs.
BingoBoingo: We live in times when la calle Libertad crosses Obligado y Trabajo but las calles Julio Caesar and Marco Bruto never touch
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889973 -> didn't rummage as too late yest but woke up this morning with this: when a= n-1 step 2.2 aka y=a^r mod n becomes y= (n-1)^r mod n; using for instance binomial expansion you have (n-1)^r = n^r + rC1*n^(r-1)*(-1)+rC2*n^(r-2)*(-1)^2+....+rC(r-1)*n*(-1)^(r-1)+(-1)^r; since the whole thing was "mod n", of all those terms you are in fact left with only the last one, aka y = (-1)^r mod n ; r is odd so ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 19:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to post if you turn it up.
diana_coman: that's (-1) mod n so y= n-1 and then there's nothing to do at step 2.3
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot manual
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this dun make sense to me;
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/vanstone-mr.jpg << for folx following the thread, context
diana_coman: asciilifeform, specific?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'nothing to do' is because it's a legit witness! algo returns 'prime'. ( and in non-constanttime incarnations, this is the ideal, shortcut case in fact )
asciilifeform: i.e. case where a^r mod n = 1 or n - 1 .
diana_coman: it is a leggit witness, yes; do you mean that it's not counted as it should be?
asciilifeform: it makes sense to exclude a=0 and a=1, they give no useful information. but a = n - 1 gives.
diana_coman: what information does it give?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. in implementations where a is forced to <= n - 2, n - 1 is excluded
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a witness for some numbers. like erry other witness-for-some-numbers.
asciilifeform: so why to exclude it ?
diana_coman: hm; it always says "prime" though by definition so I'm not sure *what* information is missed when you exclude it
asciilifeform goes to chalkboard , brb
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it does ~not~ 'always return prime'. only returns prime if (n - 1)^r mod n is 1 or n - 1.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you can trivially see that it correctly judges e.g. 12 to be composite.
asciilifeform: it's a perfectly 'kosher' witness for a very large chunk of the number line.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ? mind working me through that? I might be thick here
diana_coman: alternatively: do you see a whole in my previous maffs?
diana_coman: a hole, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: bin(12) == 1100 . then r = 2. then, (n - 1)^r mod n == 11^2 mod 12 == 1. 12 is pronounced composite.
diana_coman: o.o "such that r is odd"
diana_coman: 2 is odd?
asciilifeform: hm
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890129 -> specifically, here ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-26 08:58 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889973 -> didn't rummage as too late yest but woke up this morning with this: when a= n-1 step 2.2 aka y=a^r mod n becomes y= (n-1)^r mod n; using for instance binomial expansion you have (n-1)^r = n^r + rC1*n^(r-1)*(-1)+rC2*n^(r-2)*(-1)^2+....+rC(r-1)*n*(-1)^(r-1)+(-1)^r; since the whole thing was "mod n", of all those terms you are in fact left with only the last one, aka y = (-1)^r mod n ; r is odd so
diana_coman: that is my proof that always y= n-1 for a= n-1
diana_coman: unless I have a mistake in there
asciilifeform goes to walk the thing again
asciilifeform still waking up, will have tea and ~then~ come back to item
diana_coman: no hurry; if I have a mistake in there I certainly want to know
diana_coman will bbl
asciilifeform: diana_coman: r = 3 indeed. (n - 1)^r mod n == 11^3 mod 12 == 11 == n - 1.
asciilifeform: to redo the earlier munged example: bin(12) == 1100. s = 2. r = 3. (n - 1)^r mod n == (12 - 1)^3 mod 12 == 11^3 mod 12 == 11, i.e. n - 1. witness.
diana_coman: ugh; asciilifeform honestly, please walk through my working
asciilifeform: ok, i'ma go an' set the kettle, bbl.
diana_coman: enjoy!
asciilifeform: while it boils : btw log readers can ignore the earlier arithm, it is entirely off ( asciilifeform computed r * 2^s = n instead of r * 2^s = n - 1 ... )
asciilifeform: i ought not to do these before breakfast.
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's only a witness for EVEN composites tho ?
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elementarily made rubbish on the chalkboard, redoing whole thing nao.
asciilifeform: ( in re this subthread, example proggy posted 2d ago was afaik correct )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yours is correct.
shinohai: xpost for trb-ists: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/trb-keccak-regrind-test-results-and-notes.html
asciilifeform: diana_coman: no hole.
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : i'ma rewrite my proofism from beginning, to see if i committed any other atrocity.
asciilifeform already ended up having to do this 1ce, for barrettism
asciilifeform: shinohai: i dun have any nitpicks , other than to note that the canonical gnat is ave1's
asciilifeform: rather than adacorpse's
shinohai: Is next on agendas, to try ave1's.
shinohai: ( Currently, ave1 's website gives me "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress.")
asciilifeform: hm it does indeed
asciilifeform: ave1: ^ ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: 1 other thing -- screenshits of shell are pretty hard to read (on e.g. asciilifeform's display), i recommend to use same textblock as you use elsewhere ( e.g. where 'list of dependencies' ) rather than screenshit
shinohai: nb ... One thing lacking on blog is still proper css codeblock.
asciilifeform: imho it really aint important that the shell colours etc be preserved
asciilifeform: can use same styling as you did for the curls etc
shinohai: (The color is leftover from vanilla install anyways, I usually strip this from .bashrc for daily use)
asciilifeform: shinohai: it's same problem as with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889984 ; not only cannot be cut&paste'd or searched, but on folx having very diff display from orig author's, inevitably loox like soup ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 20:04 asciilifeform so far even avoided bitmapped maffs, in the vein of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888458
asciilifeform: bitmaps are a 'necessary evil' if yer displaying spread chix, or mandelbrots, or http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 -isms, etc; but for text you really wanna have text.
shinohai: I rather enjoyed that post, btw. The soldering on that board is just beautiful.
asciilifeform: shinohai: they were pretty ordinary '80s wave-solder
asciilifeform: ( and even with the apparently-inescapable '80s pcb layout mistakes -- there's a few blue 'bodge wire' in there )
asciilifeform: shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWH58QrprVc << wave soldering illustration.
shinohai: Everyone knows this is the true way to solder: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/solderingiron.jpg
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: shinohai: see also http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 ( 'rectothermal cryptoanalyzer' ) .
shinohai: ibid: http://lurkmore.so/images/6/67/A.jpg <<< kek
asciilifeform: shinohai: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061 << see alsox2.
mircea_popescu: anyone have a ready link to asciilifeform 's celebrated "in order for me to do anything else i'd have to have three trillion dollars in gold brick first" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly there's >1 !111 got specific thrd in mind ?
mircea_popescu: first will work.
mircea_popescu: believe it or not you figure by way of illustration in latest trilema opus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/weekend-roundup-trump-gives-nancy-3-weeks-neocon-war-boner-building/ << Qntra -- Weekend Roundup: Trump Gives Nancy 3 Weeks, Neocon War Boner Building
mircea_popescu: no, no. you personally, "to move" or w/e it was.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mountain of gold brick sounds like a lethal overdose, lol
mircea_popescu: fifteen galons to the ton, not so bad.
asciilifeform: i dun mean 'bust open guts trying to move it', but 'when somebody gets wind that you have it'
asciilifeform: see also captain kidd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you might be thinking of old flamefest ( possibly with diana_coman & mircea_popescu ) where asciilifeform was asked 'why dontcha quit yer dayjob' and asciilifeform answered 'would consider it, if , like the 2 of you, had enuff coin to permanently leave slave market , with x% engineering margin' or sumthing of the kind
asciilifeform: speaking of which,
asciilifeform: !#seen Mocky ☟︎
a111: 2019-01-23 <Mocky> being chucked into the air?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what i'm thinking of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't seem to dredge it up in O(1). feel free to cite the summary tho, if writing a piece to laff at asciilifeform , who is big boy and wont cry
mircea_popescu: ah, not in the slightest.
asciilifeform: and hey, asciilifeform is not even the worst horse in that gluefactory, the 1000 btc or whatever it was i calculated then, is still coupla orders of magnitude smaller than that d00d we had who 'couldn't do' until he had orbiting station with solar sail or what was it ( kanzure ? )
mircea_popescu: yeah, but you we care about.
asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform read the magick pike fish tale as a kid, and therefore knows where to stop!111
asciilifeform: ( e.g. don't ask the golden fish to 'explain turbulence!' )
asciilifeform: speaking of 'where to stop', diana_coman i still dunhave a Troo proof that after r - 1 shots, the squaring loop really does always cycle; so unless i find one, i'ma have to put in a mux there. ☟︎
asciilifeform: re fishes -- ru folklore notably contains ~2~ wish-granting fish stories : 1, the internationally familiar one, where old fishwife keeps ramping up the wishitude until she overflows the register and gets fucked; and ~other~, where young lad knows how to use the fish, and gets half of kingdom , via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841561 process ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 20:45 asciilifeform: btw the orig folktale included mega-line 'and many did the stove crush as it went'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841558 << illustrated. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 20:45 asciilifeform: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/22/01/7e2201f558d42e467cc35c278b211882--stoves-fairytale.jpg << '80s ver
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun fughet to link to prikoke, also, asciilifeform still wont cry, promise.
mircea_popescu: lmao. you know, many have tried, none have yet succeeded in guessing as much as a title, as much as a sentence, afore i publish my brew.
asciilifeform: this is as it should be.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-three-watches/ << Trilema -- The three watches
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890228 sadly I don't have proof for it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-26 18:16 asciilifeform: speaking of 'where to stop', diana_coman i still dunhave a Troo proof that after r - 1 shots, the squaring loop really does always cycle; so unless i find one, i'ma have to put in a mux there.
mircea_popescu: induction, neh ? if it cycles k times how's it to stop cycling.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to reformulate: need proof that the working reg will never equal 1 or n - 1 ~after~ r - 1 shots.
asciilifeform: ( unless it did so during the 1st r - 1 . )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/the-three-watches/#comment-127588
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were looking for a 'k vs r -strategy' illustration, this is prolly the worst possible 1. i'dve used , e.g., 'columbus send 3 $maxint boats but vikings did same with 9000 dragonheads costing ~epsilon ea.' or sumthing like it.
asciilifeform: iirc we ~did~ have a thread where 'why didn't they make a chronometer that can be stuffed up arse, for constant temp' tho.
mircea_popescu: answer't.
asciilifeform: answr't^2.
diana_coman: ahaha, I refrained from commenting because I thought "uhm, I have NO idea exactly HOW were those watches broken" but my first thought was that they were likely unpredictably broken i.e. each will show ~random hour rather than "time with x error"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to reformulate -- in order for redundancy to do anyffin (whether yer dealing with clocks, or RNGs, or any other instrument) the error gotta be ~uncorrelated~ b/w the units
mircea_popescu: reformulate there if ye will ?
asciilifeform: aite, 1s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-17#1614928 << a++ vintage ref on subj, btw ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-17 04:27 phf: re "apprentice as watchmaker" i picked up first edition of The Marine Chronometer by Gould. i would call it "delightful"
asciilifeform: ( and additionally http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754462 apropos ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:13 phf: i supper proper presentation of fg schematics in a v-tron is either in the style of the marine chronometer book i have next to me or not at all. "taking first the essentials, c is the escape wheel. the escapement consists of the bar E, carrying the two projections e, e' etc". everything else ought to be handled separately
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, i got trilema comments on feedbot 's rss, so it notifies me if/when anyone says something)
asciilifeform: answ^3.
asciilifeform: aaah ok
asciilifeform: i'ma not pollute the log then.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman if you think about it, that's strictly impossible. they do indeed show delta time each tick, so it's dead reckoning. how the heck would they produce strictly random time.
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: awww
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last comment has jpg link, sits in modqueue
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for thread-completeness - same jp folx (and others) also sell a temp-controlled 'oven' xtal, warrantied to 1 ppm. these draw lotsa current, comparatively, and cost 50x moar, so i did not use in FG ( where the accuracy of the oscillator is solely to put out the expected baud rate, and it dun do any good to make it substantially higher than the receiving machine's )
asciilifeform: i use'em ('txco' being the generic term for subj) in radio.
asciilifeform: https://www5.epsondevice.com/en/products/tcxo < subj.
asciilifeform: incidentally, even txco has high enuff 'jitter' that fairly good rng can and has been built solely from'em.
asciilifeform: ( the problem with doing so, is the 'aging' effect -- the amt of jitter tends to vary as time passes; and the fact of it being a rather expensive means of collecting thermal noise, resistor worx very similarly and costs 1% of what xtal costs )
asciilifeform bbl:maffs
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890218 << I finally got job offer yesterday ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-26 18:07 asciilifeform: !#seen Mocky
Mocky: by the looks of it, will go approx 4 days without food money before first paycheck, so this was cut pretty close
Mocky: which means mooching off family, not actual hunger btw