asciilifeform: meanwhile in lulzplagiarism, https://cybermashup.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/amiet-romailler-reaping-keys-final-slides.pdf << ( yes pdfturd ) >> best usg.phuctor to date
asciilifeform: jurov: nope, simply needs the nodes to pick up ~each other~. sorta 'firing squad problem', i will leave it as exercise
mod6: once we have a text-client for eulora, will work pretty great on a rockchip
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 13:11 asciilifeform: ould be prosecuted if he stepped foot in the hotel again... "Sir, your speech has consequences so you better think about that in the future before you threaten," was another comment from the security team.'
asciilifeform found $subj via mats, dedicated entomologist
asciilifeform: 'Found vulnerable keys on Keybase.io, Github.com and Gitlab.com!' etc etc
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a5mrw/?raw=true
asciilifeform: https://keylookup.kudelskisecurity.com << subj
asciilifeform: 'As part of the Kudelski Group, Kudelski Security embodies the same innovative spirit that has inspired the company since its creation in 1951' << didjaknow
asciilifeform: name sounds familiar, i could've sworn d00d popped up in l0gz, lessee,
asciilifeform: !#s kudelski
a111: 1 result for "kudelski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kudelski
mod6: !!sent-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mqAIY/?raw=true
asciilifeform: hm possibly not..
shinohai: asciilifeform 's slides ... complete with lame memes xD
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SYOeQ/?raw=true << txt of pdfturd, for the lulzrecord
mod6: heeeeey, what up shinohai
asciilifeform: shinohai: funny how they never bother to straight up and lift the popped mods from phuctor
shinohai: heya mod6
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
mod6: haha, 'https' site even. weeeeee
asciilifeform: but of course
mod6: smh
asciilifeform: embrace&extend!1111
lobbes: I love how their 'demo' slide is blank.
mod6: these orcs straight up ripped off s.nsa
asciilifeform: mod6: not even any orc, but Official usg 'seekooority' contract house, lol
shinohai: Stoopid freenode
asciilifeform: not even boeck's 10min perl thing, but finally a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 job☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
asciilifeform: embrace, extend, unhappen
asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
mod6: weak
asciilifeform: hm?
asciilifeform: i mean, it seems like a pretty standard http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 play☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
mats: i wonder what 280 vCPUs cost an hour, dayum
asciilifeform: mats: 0, if you're usg and already have'em, neh
asciilifeform: btw wb mats
mats: ty
trinque: thanks mod6 !
asciilifeform: i was about to add 'next will be usg.clone pseudo-FUCKGOATS' but remembered , they already released several , all of course with whitening and voltage booster pissing oscillation into power rail , and afaik all 2 (3? 4?) of'em even less popular than FG ( because why to buy whitened turdrng, intel ships for free on-die )
asciilifeform: so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
shinohai: I was about to say, can take pick of whitened rng's online nau
asciilifeform: and usg.pseudo-deedbot is iirc a 2015 item
asciilifeform: i dun expect a usg.pseudo-v, item is prolly intrinsically incomprehensible to the subhuman-idcardcarriers . but whoknows.
lobbes: I mean, they can ersatz all day. It'll do ~0 from a human perspective
lobbes: save for lulz
asciilifeform: lobbes: it doesn't particularly need to 'do', it is part of the maintenance work for the parallel universe they (+ the herd of 'just wanters' , naturally )live in
asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask?
asciilifeform: ^ thread worth reread
asciilifeform: in re e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637724 aspect☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas' thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.'
mod6: trinque: yw
asciilifeform brb,meat
mats: asciilifeform: have you put the 'CRoCS' set they refer to, into phuctor?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course. most of the apparently functional parts of the empire are simply republican-tech-with-serials-filed-off, in this case "implicit" rather than explicit.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367<< that was a good reread, ty. I never thought of the 'unglue nascent Framedraggers' angle but that does seem to be worst effect of the disregarding of the knowledge-chain (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637752)☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:26 mircea_popescu: this chaining of knowledge, for your info, is the CORE of academia.
asciilifeform: mats: we can dump in usg.curated snoarcollection right after we run out of errything else, i guess. which won't be soon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one seems to be of the explicit, fwiw, kind
asciilifeform: unless i misparsed the sentence
mircea_popescu: just talking generally.
asciilifeform: lobbes: near as i can tell, their angle of attack is a) make sure intelligent n00bz dun run the risk of finding way into tmsr b) in the slim chance they find, make sure they're adequately teflon-coated, and dun risk sticking
mats: asciilifeform: what else is left?
asciilifeform: mats: most of yours !
asciilifeform: then sks replay
asciilifeform: then realtime scans, etc
mircea_popescu: a public service altogether.
asciilifeform: mats: not to mention, the orthogonal puzzler re mikrotik etc
asciilifeform: thing is, any idjit (turns out ) can bernsteinize
asciilifeform: but not erry -- can (+ will) burn the originating usgola
asciilifeform: which is imho next proper order of biznis for phuctor, generally speaking
mats: asciilifeform: i think i found the crocs set in a google drive folder
asciilifeform: i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841177☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 23:37 asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
mats: how would you automate clean boot and key gen?
asciilifeform: mats: how is it a problem on FG-equipped box ?
asciilifeform: no fg, no key genning, caseclosed
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 23:03 jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
mats: i thought the point is to make a mikrotik or huawei produce a broken key in its natural environment? to expand the db of factors?
asciilifeform: mats: aa. with soldered probes, of course
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842317 << expect a lot of these. intellectual leadership essentially means, every hormonal teenager will tell the girls in his class, "oh, mp, we're opld friends"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
mircea_popescu: then they come into my basement and we lulz at it. what can you do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i pointed earlier, it aint the first rip, simply the most polished afaik to date
mircea_popescu: pretty much whole "corporate" portion of www consists of this anyway.
mircea_popescu: we should never have permitted them online.
asciilifeform: for some reason phuctor took'em 5y, i've nfi why
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842349 <<< and the inexplicable "why is mp offering half a bitcent for the entire usg.tech directorate ?!?!?!"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:38 asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842360 << it'll be pretty lulzy, this.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:49 asciilifeform: so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
mircea_popescu: eulora rather harder to copy than meets the fly eye.
asciilifeform: hey, 5yr and 100m, can chinacopy anyffing neh
asciilifeform: ( and then ban orig from searchengines etc )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367 << seriously, this is a major help. i really really REALLY don't want a buncha bois in here. i'd much prefer the field be mostly female, and mostly my slavegirls.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
mircea_popescu: i don't hold it against the males that manage to make it
mircea_popescu: but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
asciilifeform: field?
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu already succeeded, cuz i wasn't aware there was a field..
mircea_popescu: the republic loses nothing / gains nothing whether adlai/framedragger/whatever is in or out.
mircea_popescu: the marginal value of the marginal male is 0.
asciilifeform: the value of nonmarginal is >0 tho
mircea_popescu: but the nonmarginal doesn't have the problem here discussed, as part of the definition of nonmarginal.
asciilifeform: and we still dun have , e.g., microscopist, dunno, rocketeer, barrister, artist, fughet what else
mircea_popescu: certainly. but we also don't need weak ones for any purpose (or, in that sense, already "have")
asciilifeform: nobody needs weak, lol
asciilifeform: 'can play violin?' 'dunno, not tried'
mircea_popescu: in short, "teflon-coatable" noobs ~should~ be teflon coated. god knows i do everything i can to help the coating.
mircea_popescu: so do you. it's after all how fg ended up named fg, isn't it. and how we got rid of, eg, pete_douchenski
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: there's great value in getting rid of code. greater than in "acquiring" code. same is true of people. getting rid is a great boon.
asciilifeform: imho e.g. Framedragger, ~could~ have grown up to be serious fella with serious work
mircea_popescu: evidently this is not so.
mircea_popescu: what "could" is this ? if he could he would neh.
asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu pov, and cannot actually find with waht to disagree, luzlily came not long ago from ww2 thread in ru planet where 'the surrenderees are in fact biologically defective' and also dun disagree there either
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting rid of surrenderers, panickeers, etc is god'swork. this being said, i'd still prefer 24 strong partizans in band to 12, and 30 better even.
asciilifeform: ( beyond 30, prolly pushing it )
asciilifeform: but 'if wishes were horses' etc
asciilifeform: and must note, we have quite minimal spare people , for when we begin to be killed.
asciilifeform: ( perhaps mircea_popescu can breed in his tanks a new set, if this becomes problem!1)
asciilifeform: i didn't shed any tears for pete_dushenski, he did 0 but to pass gas . Framedragger's defection did cost a yr of keyhunt, tho, arguably
asciilifeform: aint much , but still a chore that there were no free hands to do until recently ( thx mats! for doing it )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842399 << thread was re ordinary analogue voice radio, such that can be heard on konsoomer set. but even there, solvable, if nobody answers the riddle, i'll eventually say how☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 01:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not even sure i prefer 24 partizans to 12. the costs mount exponentially with size.
mircea_popescu: if you add the SAME quality elements, you actually end up at a size past which the cost of addition exceeds the value of it.
mircea_popescu: if you add better elements, you're well advise to purge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, what you call "chore" is mislabeled. my whips spend most of the day hanging. when they do work, the work they do, named "pain", is properly speaking education.
mircea_popescu: the chores we have are ~beneficial~ for the noob. HE gains by them. they're chores in the sense http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509012 "eating is chore"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is not partizan commander, mircea_popescu is better equipped to say why 12 and not 6 and not 24. all i can go from is history. 12 is thin.
mircea_popescu: depends altogether what you're doing.
asciilifeform: verily
mircea_popescu: anyway. the world's salvation is work for the world's own hands. i feel no obligation towards it ; i feel an obligation towards my having a good time and that's all. if the world's ready to work i'll show it how and if it's not ready to work i'll just talk to my girls. the only thing with something to lose in the republic-world binome is the world.
asciilifeform: i'd suspect sumthing is off if mircea_popescu had answered differently, lol
mircea_popescu: in which spirit, the teflon-coatable noobs absolutely should be coated. fucking dipped in bronze, why not.
asciilifeform: i dun disagree with mircea_popescu re subj ( with the perhaps obv diff that i dun have, outside of tmsr, cocaineyacht to retreat into, only the proverbial bottle )
asciilifeform: so i dun have any retreatin' planned.
mircea_popescu: well... honestly the bottle a lot less sinkable than the yacht.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this whole "from the perspective of moronworld" discussion is such nonsense. who the fuck ever cared, seriously now.
asciilifeform: fungi dun have perspective, lel
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
asciilifeform: curious whether anybody knows him. or is 'wolf man'.
asciilifeform: dredged up d00d via script that digs for refs to trb in heathendom. turns out, he hosts mirror of trb patches ( they dun seem to be discussed in articles tho, near as i can see )
mod6 looks
mod6: !!reputation stjohn_piano
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yq9X1/?raw=true
mod6: warez the mirror at? agree, didn't see the links to it in articles. bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho.
asciilifeform: mod6: http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/rotor.tar.gz.asc , http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/programmable-versionstring.vpatch , buncha others
mod6: ah thx asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mod6: d00d doesn't seem to have anything of substance written re subj tho.
asciilifeform bbl--meat
mod6: ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running. not sure why he never stopped in here. and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
mod6: guy did an "OFFLINE" build, took some pretty decent notes too. nb.
mircea_popescu: to continue for no apparent reasons the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830805 discussion : romanian has a conjunctive pluperfect with role of imperative ("de dimineata ne-au dat omleta dar eu am citit ziarul si acum mi-e foame" "~sa fi mincat~ atunci." ie in the morning they put out omelette but i was reading the newspaper and now im hungry -- you should have eaten then☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 18:26 mircea_popescu: ma dusei la mindra-n sura si-i copsei o tochitura ?
mircea_popescu: AS WELL AS a ~homonymous~ conjunctive pluperfect with conditional-optative role, "sa fi stiut de dimineata, mincam" ie had i known then, i would have.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's not clear to me the verbal tensions of romanian were ~EVER~ ennumerated.
mircea_popescu: language was hastily (and ineptly) codified late 19th century with union, then there were two major wars (and two minor ones romania was a major actor in) and then 50 years of stalinist freeze during which no serious scholarship was produced. and hence they're too stupid and too lazy to even make a proper dictionary. so actually, romanian grammar still awaits its hero.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik wolfman
mircea_popescu: how managed "bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho" with no pingbacks is anyone's guess.
mod6: yeah, you'd think someone would have run into it before now.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842477 << i gotta invoke mircea_popescu's oxcart here -- http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 15:08 mod6: ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running. not sure why he never stopped in here. and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
mircea_popescu: can't believe it's a 2018 quote, that, seeing how it actually traces to a 2011 article ( http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/#selection-67.418-67.537 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure it got replayed coupla times b/w '11 and nao
mircea_popescu: tru
mod6: asciilifeform: ah, yea, oxcart
mod6: anyway, that stuff is stale now he has posted since I've now update the vtree. would have been good if he'd have only linked thebitcoin.foundation, instead of making heathen copies of his own. he even renamed the 'V' files.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in which vein, http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ "would have been good if retard had a gf"
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: ikr.
BingoBoingo: !!pay mod6 0.1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Y8Olp/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!v 5BF6A87AE582D0B8C13E2BEAF64F72D661FA914EA2A1226725B36A30CCC9E3DF
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid mod6 0.1
mod6: o7
mod6: Thank you, Sir!
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ft51Q/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mod6: hey, at least wolf d00d didn't go to whatevercon in vegas and present trb as own phd work or whatnot
asciilifeform: ( i expect at some point, even this )
mircea_popescu: this is a distinction with a difference ?
mircea_popescu: nobody reads obscure blog or listens in obscure con.
asciilifeform: 'defcon' is approx as 'obscure' as nyt
asciilifeform: it's the 'mecca' of the more or less entire techlamer planet
mircea_popescu: i never went ; but based on my limited experience with the few cons i ever went to, years ago in a different life, literally nobody listens in.
mircea_popescu: i ended up on the main floor a total of maybe twice, but in general you just meet people privately ; and in this particular context the teenaged bimbos desperate to "get started" were in the vast majority too ugly to meet the bar (which, back then, still existed, nobody paid uglies to fuck)
mircea_popescu: and in the minority were picked up by the scouts anyway.
asciilifeform: ~30k lamers, with, what, $5k tickets, and the entire 'journalism' set then spends next month printing nuffin but summaries of the talks
mircea_popescu: which nobody ever read.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i'd make the same exact argument if fellow "wrote book" which was then "new york times best seller list"
asciilifeform: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841227☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-13 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841194 << oh ye olde c3s huh. lulzy.
mircea_popescu: because, also nobody ever cared.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/arrogance-and-shit-comms-system-kill-us-spies-in-china/ << Qntra - Arrogance And Shit Comms System Kill US Spies In China
asciilifeform: hey i dun go to mecca either, given as not being in the umma. but 'nobody goes to mecca' is a stretch imho
mircea_popescu: omigerd, us had spies in china ?! ahahaha.
BingoBoingo: HAD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess. dun seem like any difference to me, write on blogspot, slideshow at conference, whatever. then again, entomology.
BingoBoingo: Back in the stretch of history that spanned 10k BTC Pizza to Satoshi Dice IPO
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: s/manufactering/manufacturing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they're so fucking hysterical, these tards.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty fxd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lulzy -- apparently cia forgot how to shortwave ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and do you see kerry registering a key and begging us to help ?
mircea_popescu: idiots die dumb i guess.
BingoBoingo: I see kerry getting old and dying impotent with his ketchup ho
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, see. This comms system was GREAT... against the pashtuns and maybe Baathists
asciilifeform: i can picture, 'we're sending 100 spies to beijing, wake up the rot13 squad'
mircea_popescu: you mean the people with the http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Learning a lot about national govt values from seeing embassies. US has bleak river fort. Britain has country club. Romania has modest row house. Dominican Rupublic goes months without fixing their flag's attachment to pole.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: brazil had best one
BingoBoingo: Lebanon has proud flagpole far from Jew embassy. Jews have office in WTC.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Spain is rather impressive as well
asciilifeform: brazilian embassy in BingoBoingostan, miniature gulag, three rolls of concertina wire, turrets, whole hog
BingoBoingo: With parts on two blocks
BingoBoingo: Spain is big like Brazil, but cleaner
BingoBoingo: Ecuador has a sad hole across from the parrilla that used steak magic on ben_vulpes
BingoBoingo: Japan has hilltop art project
BingoBoingo: China's embassy is way out in Carrasco near the airport
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: romania had a close relation with latam countries, uruguay, columbia, w/e, 30-50 years ago.
mircea_popescu: these days, no trade, musty abandoned library scent everywhere
asciilifeform: elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/owcBE >> '10 users were responsible for 85 per cent of the links that the Coinhive service uses to mine' shitcoins etc
BingoBoingo: Next time alf's over if he has time we might have to venture to the bookstores of abandoned library scent
BingoBoingo: And the cemetary
BingoBoingo: But not the ghetto cemetary, the big one
BingoBoingo: Or Mocky whenever he makes the trip
Mocky: what's interesting at the big cemetery?
BingoBoingo: The things the do with the rocks
BingoBoingo: Little houses, obelisks, etc
Mocky: when I die, def want stone obelisk
BingoBoingo: Right now I'm leaning towards just leaving a nice shipwreck
mircea_popescu: Mocky latin america cemetery utterly worth visiting. very elegant, makes the inept puritan bs from the us shine in all its ridiculousness.
Mocky: hmm, interesting
asciilifeform: i've yet to see one that could top recoleta ( buenos aires ) and i dun expect to
mircea_popescu: cr is the original "omfg check out this wonder" though. smaller, but imo better.
BingoBoingo: The churches with the cartoon saviors also interesting
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/P1000248-e1518218404440-768x1024.jpg
mircea_popescu: lol tru
BingoBoingo: I imagine the process begins with classical style painting which are "restored" by coloring book graduates
mircea_popescu: also local talent etc.
BingoBoingo: The local talent is very time oriented thing. In the early 1900's Argentina and Uruguay seemed to have enough of it and then regression to the mean happened.
asciilifeform: i'll admit to being still somewhat puzzled re ~why~ precisely argentina went 'from hero to zero' ( mircea_popescu described in some detail , the ~how~, but the 'why' remains puzzler )
BingoBoingo: Then there's the wonder material cardboard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
mircea_popescu: because they hallucinated freedoms they didn't have, therefore they went from hero to zero.
BingoBoingo: That and the Admirald Graf Spee probably pulled into the wrong port on the Rio de la Plata
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we were having thread 300 y ago, could just as easily link to the fall of lucifer. it's a how, not a why
mircea_popescu: what'd meet your definition of it being a "why" ?
asciilifeform: ( very parallel legend, lucifer also , could say, 'thought he had choice' )
mircea_popescu: ayup. it is very much the ur-story.
asciilifeform: one possibly 'why', i suppose, is '1940s, critical mass of italian undermenschen, impossible to carry on functioning country', say
asciilifeform: *unter
mircea_popescu: how is this a why and the other a how ?
asciilifeform: possibly my q is illposed, i'ma have to withdraw it and think moar.
BingoBoingo: Joining WWII before Brasil picked a side would have given them a stressor of the sort they had been lacking
BingoBoingo: Or they could hve beat up on Paraguay again
mircea_popescu: insanely enough, they tried.
mircea_popescu: in 1970s, buncha army officers rounded up all the adlais, beat the shit out of them, then shot anyone who complained.
mircea_popescu: was 100% correct move, yet it went nowehere. perhaps lending credence to alf's theory re poor genetic stock ; perhaps rather related to how spanish original this movement copied (franco) ALSO went nowhere, principally because illiterate ; though here enters http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.406 ie, rhodesia wasn't as illiterate
BingoBoingo: Uruguay tried as well, but they really needed a stressor from outside
mircea_popescu: (not far behind tho, flat earth and all that).
mircea_popescu: it's a complex problem, "why do peripheries fail to thrive". "why was hispania not gaul" etc
asciilifeform: i was skeptic of 'italian theory' until went to BingoBoingostan and saw the zombies
asciilifeform: then again could be red herring, perhaps drink made'em
mircea_popescu: drink makes no one nothing. notice, bears.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: q re peripheries is 'why didntcha folx build own paris'
asciilifeform: what makes periphery shithole, stay shithole
mircea_popescu: not for lack of trying, right ? barcelona has better cathedral than paris.
asciilifeform: yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/nebraska-government-overdoses-man-on-fentanyl/ << Qntra - Nebraska Government Overdoses Man On Fentanyl
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ? << I suspect post-empire hangover played a role
BingoBoingo: They got fat and feminized like the Brits are going through now
mircea_popescu: spain was ever fucked in the head. how did they manage to get the whole new world and end up the laughingstock they are...
BingoBoingo: Like the Brits...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gotta admit, i've nfi wtf was wrong with good old sparky
mircea_popescu: the brits "had" india&china in much less of a sense than spain had el dorado.
BingoBoingo: Sure, the subcontinent doesn't really have a strong mestizo equivalent
BingoBoingo: But it could have gotten to their heads just the same
mircea_popescu: possibru.
BingoBoingo: The victory bit in the brain flips and then the legions stop carrying their own shit, etc
mircea_popescu: this may very well be it : there's a single bit in the bios, and the flip state of it decides.
mircea_popescu: diana's notion of the locals was "whoa, they remind me a lot of romanians 10-15 yrars ago, when they had a little money and slowly getting a clue"
mircea_popescu: it's true, but the locals have been this exact thing 15 y ago too , and 50, and will be in 50.
mircea_popescu: romanians had this overpowering "we're the total shitheel losers of all time" going 1990 - 2005ish, and it helped them immensely.
mircea_popescu: then they joined nato, which is no kind of victory, but the bit fucking flipped. and well...
BingoBoingo: Well, NATO is a club for the terminally bit flipped
mircea_popescu: just about yes.
mircea_popescu: it is EXACTLY what it is, "the divine order of people who imagine they're too cool for assrape to happen to them".
asciilifeform: hence 'nato reich'
asciilifeform: 'thousand years!'
asciilifeform: gott mit uns (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: "humility" as the xtian virtue, right, "love" as the harem slave's virtue, "do not fucking flip that bit"
asciilifeform: 'bought house so big, finally i will never have to clean' or how did mircea_popescu put it in the old piece
mircea_popescu: quite so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the explanation for spain per BingoBoingo 's bit would be... reconquista.
mircea_popescu: they WON. and welll....
asciilifeform: winning, apparently, pretty bad for one's health
BingoBoingo: Sometimes you gotta eat a bit more Moorish dick before you can stop eating Moorish dick
mircea_popescu: some winnings, at any rate. lottery winning ; god-given victories, etc. all poison.
asciilifeform: history offers very few 'deserved' victories tho
mircea_popescu: not even deserved being the key i don'\t think.
mircea_popescu: despised, rather.
asciilifeform: where was 'despised victory' ?
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of i won : the "i won because you're fucking stupid" and the "omfg i'm so cool i won". the latter never works out.
mircea_popescu: lottery winner is made famous by the after effects of "whatever i might've been, now i'm the sort of guy that wins lottery"
mircea_popescu: otherwise, defeat is instructive through the mechanism of "whatever your ugly mother & stupid father told you, and you like the idiot you are believed, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 "☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: this'd be why the ceaseless verbiage of "winners" (as displayed in say http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-sunshine/ as Greg Kinnear's role ) stinks so profusely to the intimate nose of civilised people.
asciilifeform: sorta why i can't stomach e.g. taleb
asciilifeform: stinks to high heaven, 'i won lottery, hear me roar'
mircea_popescu: kinda also why teh usgistan is so utterly unthreatening. "we never got beaten" "aaaa...ok :)"
mircea_popescu: way to rob yourself of your own , hard earned benefit, usg.fetlife, usg.blue, usg.*
asciilifeform: extra lulzy, e.g., how usg mil brass sees vietnam: 'almost-victory'+dolchstoss
Mocky: re: earlier cia lulz, homepage of glassdoor.com today has (seemingly fresh) cia job ad in rotation, "Morale is great despite of the changing leadership" http://imgur.com/UE7J72H
mircea_popescu: in the sense morale was never great since http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ in any branch of us military, we could fairly say "morale is roughly as great as it ever was"
Mocky: "look at our uber-drab office building with not a single person willing to get in the photo, it's awesome here I SWEAR!"
mircea_popescu: the problem with this scoring approach is that google or w/e "exciting" "tech" bs is just as drab, but optimizes for "getting people in the picture".
asciilifeform: the whole lure proposition of cia etc is the seekrit masonic wankage, the legend of cocaine trays and screams in the cork-padded cellar etc
asciilifeform: it was built not even for actual work but to play similar role to the church in old europistan, as a sinkhole for noninheriting sons of the brahmins
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/gamer-made-to-post-cryptocurrency-for-milder-pre-trial-detention-in-us-doj-blackmail-scheme/ << Qntra - Gamer Made To Post "Cryptocurrency" For Milder Pre-Trial Detention In US DOJ Blackmail Scheme
BingoBoingo: ^ Magistrates strike again
asciilifeform: lol cokemachine
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: this is just about it, plain extortion. alf's coke machine realised.
asciilifeform: dunno that it's a first, who was it, ulbricht, sitting for half decade nao in the cork cellar, coughing up coin
BingoBoingo: Ulbricht lets their hamsters plea "drug war"
BingoBoingo: This dude though wasn't even racis
asciilifeform: terrorist(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: big fat diff
ben_vulpes: lol hey check it out; this guy gets a haul of 300kusd+ for not responsibledisclosuring and douchebags of the world wank themselves raw over 5K and a spot on the altavista hall of fame
BingoBoingo: I don't see how the allegations are any different from using a "Game shark" on a Nintendo
BingoBoingo: Or wall clipping, etc
asciilifeform: well, 'haul' followed by pointed stick up arse
BingoBoingo: And not even an actual release on bail if he posts the blackmail
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/b2pd6 << fishwrap with fewer detail censored
Mocky: "accessing a protected computer"
asciilifeform: via same fishwrap, unrelated pantsuit lulz, https://archive.is/EWcta >> 'because of possible abuse of children'
mircea_popescu: "public outcry" my foot.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why the serbs permit a us diplomatic mission.
mircea_popescu: iirc they never paid up for their war crimes.
mircea_popescu: "you want diplomatic relations, first you pay 10x what we think you broke should be valued at, then maybe"
asciilifeform: i thought the serbs got 'democratized', are sorta like ro nao
asciilifeform: possibly missed the flip of the bit back
mircea_popescu: nfi
mircea_popescu: haven\'t really been paying any attention, but as a matter of principle.
asciilifeform: last i knew, after they were trashed, usg.euro.figurehead installed, and so forth
BingoBoingo: But there's still the unfinished Kosovo thing that'll be good for keeping anti-USG resentment up for another couple generations
BingoBoingo: Not just the bombing but US nuturing a blighted shitpit
mircea_popescu: i can see it.