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trinque: castrati gotta remove the
taint!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 07:33 tardigrade: ain't no
taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine
tardigrade: ain't no
taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine
☟︎ tardigrade: a swamp dweller with a question. seems like the next Ver-ified and/or prb 'attack' on bitcoin is shaping up to be about fungibility and privacy. What trilema and log material is essential to understanding
taint, fungibility, title etc? Yes sorry for slow.
erlehmann: i suspect this method of
taint analysis can be useful for more than just the question “who is at risk when a condom broke?”
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 13:53 mircea_popescu: "gotta have
taint! its how the world works!"
mircea_popescu: because you simply can't get the
taint out of the stupid head. it's born with it, will die with it.
mircea_popescu: this is quite likely how it works, though the
taint is currently attached to the txn itself rather than the inputs. while supplies last, anyway.
BingoBoingo gotta get the Elliot
taint out of the head so can actually sleep again at some point.
trinque: there's another thing in there too, appropriately subtle. idiot
taint, or something.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "
taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
mats: danielpbarron: i don't follow this bit about
taint only being a thing when used against usg
danielpbarron: mats, there's also the point that bitcoin
taint is only a thing when it can be used against the USG and other enemies of the republic
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> nevertheless, we're not making the mistake of introducing coin
taint, under any name. << totally agree.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, we're not making the mistake of introducing coin
taint, under any name.
mircea_popescu: trb has no notion of "coin history". nor should it. because
taint is not a thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << undisclosed addresses? unprincipled-exception from 'no such thing as
taint' ?!! << very principled. "no such thing as
taint" means that i do not recognize the concept, or any reasoning that relies on it. it very pointedly does not mean i will behave in such a manner as to protect the
taint assumptions of third parties but just the opposite.
mircea_popescu: ben_vouspes> mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. << one day you'll comprehend what this "there is no bitcoin
taint" thing means.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for users, sure. i found my own workarounds last month when i misattributed tx propogation failure to bitcoinj instead of bitbet
taint. but for businesses ?
mircea_popescu: discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin
taint.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com. no such thing as bitcoin
taint danielpbarron: ;;google site:trilema.com there is no such thing as bitcoin
taint mircea_popescu: in fact, romania disbars das if shown they tried to
taint the trial, which is what plea bargain would be in sane places.
BingoBoingo: Like a
taint. It should be readily visible, but the scrotum is in the way.
cazalla: well your stash must tend towards the millions if this
taint is widespread :P
BingoBoingo: lol, unlike Garza to
taint hundreds to thousands of BTC with my stink I required no scam
BingoBoingo: Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of
taint.
BingoBoingo: OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to
taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench.
mircea_popescu: once got called out on that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall that ?) and moved to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved, thinks
taint is a thing, and also thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "
taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 13-06-2014 02:34:16; mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of
taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.
nubbins`: <+Adlai> there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "
taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
Adlai: in the case of '
taint', it's: treat bitcoin as fungible, but don't make life easier for those who don't
Adlai: there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "
taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt that after he ignored the "if one wins now you've gotta
taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track." bit he's in a position to grok this one, but hey.
Adlai: it's much more complicated than a single number, same as you can't scalarize "trust" - but
taint as i've defined it exists, in the blockchain - outside of the mind.
Adlai: blockchain.info pander to idiots by misrepresenting this as
taint(address1,address2) = percentage
Adlai: ok, what i'm calling "
taint" is the tree constructed by recursively collecting the inputs that led in to each utxo
mircea_popescu: in that fingerprints are on the bill, and
taint is in the mind, wholly imagined.
Adlai:
taint in as meaningful as the person you're trying to do business with thinks it is
mircea_popescu: but really, the notion of
taint is only recurring because people are stupid, and do not wish to think. otherwise,
taint is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: Adlai didja eat dumb this morning ? i put 100 btc on one side, of your
taint, and 100 btc on the other side, you don't know about. if one wins now you've gotta
taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of "lalala
taint doesn't exit".
taint exists exactly as much and exactly for the reasons god "exists"
mircea_popescu: address A with your "
taint" may lose to address B. what now ?
Adlai is equally amused from "lalala
taint doesn't exist" and "lalala bitcoin doesn't exist"
danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no
taint in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "
Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The
Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."
sgornick: Oh, ... I think I see -- you are saying I didn't go far enough? Not only are trxs with post-fork
taint worthless, but there could be trxs with no
taint that would confirm on one side but would be invalid as they were already spent on the other side?
mircea_popescu: governing a herd of idiots who nevertheless think themselves the crown of creation is no easy feat. it is also no feat any thinking man should ever accomplish, for any accomplishment at all, and most mere attempts, are quite morally wrong, and
taint something fierce.
BingoBoingo: Well I dunno that ninjashogun has ever read anything. It might
taint his seekrit ideas with prior art.
Vexual: but mapping genomes is about as advanced as blockchain.info
taint analysis
TheNewDeal: I'm naive here - not sure how blockchain.info runs their
taint TheNewDeal: how does their
taint analysis work? maybe that's something kind of like what I'm looking for. Some 2nd and 3rd level addresses that have bumped into contact with a particular address
assbot: Tell The Grand Inquisitor There’s No Fucking Bitcoin
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