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asciilifeform: trinque: as mircea_popescu observed earlier, if we succumb to logic of 'word taint' we'll quickly turn into the speed of light people
mircea_popescu: the taint!
mod6: the taint
trinque: castrati gotta remove the taint!
mircea_popescu: since ben_vulpes linked http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#footnote_3_52853 i suppose it's time to edit that footnote to link to http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 07:33 tardigrade: ain't no taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dead link http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#selection-135.79-139.1
tardigrade: ain't no taint. rule no 1, I get it, I truly believe. aargh it's that just none of the prb lot do. it's exhausting. sorry to whine ☟︎
ben_vulpes: otherwise http://lmgtfy.com/?q=taint+trilema comes to mind
tardigrade: a swamp dweller with a question. seems like the next Ver-ified and/or prb 'attack' on bitcoin is shaping up to be about fungibility and privacy. What trilema and log material is essential to understanding taint, fungibility, title etc? Yes sorry for slow.
a111: 141 results for "taint", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=taint
trinque: !#s taint
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform has a crackpot twist theory re why 'shitcoin cash' tire fire : it's a ploy to make impatient folx glom their addrs ( for usg's 'taint db' farms ) when splitting&selling shitforkolade
erlehmann: i suspect this method of taint analysis can be useful for more than just the question “who is at risk when a condom broke?”
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu no longer satisfied with the historic 'there's no taint damn you all to hell' solution to subj ?
trinque: GOTTA CLEAN THE TAINT
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://taint.org/2008/05/16/165301a.html
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 13:53 mircea_popescu: "gotta have taint! its how the world works!"
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569585 << not unreasonabru, wallet braindamage/taint stush/millions of other things weren't necessarily apparent in 2011 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "gotta have taint! its how the world works!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: because you simply can't get the taint out of the stupid head. it's born with it, will die with it.
mircea_popescu: this is quite likely how it works, though the taint is currently attached to the txn itself rather than the inputs. while supplies last, anyway.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it works by making mircea_popescu 'taint' (yes) his coins with 'doublespendiness'
BingoBoingo gotta get the Elliot taint out of the head so can actually sleep again at some point.
trinque: there's another thing in there too, appropriately subtle. idiot taint, or something.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
mats: danielpbarron: i don't follow this bit about taint only being a thing when used against usg
danielpbarron: mats, there's also the point that bitcoin taint is only a thing when it can be used against the USG and other enemies of the republic
asciilifeform: to say 'aint no such thing as taint' is great that bit is there, like the light from a distant star, it carries info.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're assuming taint
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> nevertheless, we're not making the mistake of introducing coin taint, under any name. << totally agree.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, we're not making the mistake of introducing coin taint, under any name.
mircea_popescu: trb has no notion of "coin history". nor should it. because taint is not a thing.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 15:24 mircea_popescu: http://taint.org/2008/05/13/153959a.html << this is actually pretty fucking lulzy history.
mircea_popescu: http://taint.org/2008/05/13/153959a.html << this is actually pretty fucking lulzy history. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << undisclosed addresses? unprincipled-exception from 'no such thing as taint' ?!! << very principled. "no such thing as taint" means that i do not recognize the concept, or any reasoning that relies on it. it very pointedly does not mean i will behave in such a manner as to protect the taint assumptions of third parties but just the opposite.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2016#1436602 << undisclosed addresses? unprincipled-exception from 'no such thing as taint' ?!! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vouspes> mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. << one day you'll comprehend what this "there is no bitcoin taint" thing means.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for users, sure. i found my own workarounds last month when i misattributed tx propogation failure to bitcoinj instead of bitbet taint. but for businesses ?
mircea_popescu: discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343365 << i thought it was a wallet-dust/'coin taint track' usgtron ☝︎
gribble: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. - Mircea Popescu: <http://trilema.com/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint>; O hai let me verify your identity! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/>; February 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/02>
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com. no such thing as bitcoin taint
gribble: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. - Mircea Popescu: <http://trilema.com/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint>; O hai let me verify your identity! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/>; In defense of the troll on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/in-defense-of-the- (1 more message)
danielpbarron: ;;google site:trilema.com there is no such thing as bitcoin taint
asciilifeform: ask mircea_popescu about 'tracking taint' some time, for bonus l0l
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mircea_popescu: in fact, romania disbars das if shown they tried to taint the trial, which is what plea bargain would be in sane places.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlJkec-CQRM << bitcoinica 'taint' analysis
BingoBoingo: Like a taint. It should be readily visible, but the scrotum is in the way.
ascii_field: ergo 'taint' exists.
mats: http://moflow.org/Presentations/Taint%20Nobody%20Got%20Time%20for%20Crash%20Analysis%20-%20slides.pdf
cazalla: well your stash must tend towards the millions if this taint is widespread :P
BingoBoingo: lol, unlike Garza to taint hundreds to thousands of BTC with my stink I required no scam
BingoBoingo: Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of taint.
BingoBoingo: OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 03:07:18; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion?
assbot: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 )
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion? ☟︎
asciilifeform: it isn't just 'voodoo taint' from nsa.
mircea_popescu: once got called out on that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall that ?) and moved to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved, thinks taint is a thing, and also thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title. ☟︎
assbot: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HfJIGW )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#footnote_3_52853 <<< ahahaha.
assbot: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 )
danielpbarron: in looking for a link, i found a typo in this page -> http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2014 02:34:16; mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since this "taint" bs keeps popping up, maybe a retrospective is a good idea. like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#716247 ☝︎
nubbins`: <+Adlai> there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
Adlai: in the case of 'taint', it's: treat bitcoin as fungible, but don't make life easier for those who don't
Adlai: there are a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt that after he ignored the "if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track." bit he's in a position to grok this one, but hey.
mircea_popescu: no, what you're calling taint is a particularly dumb implementation of "smart contracts", ie, overloading txn with "meaning" that's really in your own head. see also http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1058300
Adlai: it's much more complicated than a single number, same as you can't scalarize "trust" - but taint as i've defined it exists, in the blockchain - outside of the mind.
Adlai: blockchain.info pander to idiots by misrepresenting this as taint(address1,address2) = percentage
Adlai: ok, what i'm calling "taint" is the tree constructed by recursively collecting the inputs that led in to each utxo
mircea_popescu: in that fingerprints are on the bill, and taint is in the mind, wholly imagined.
mircea_popescu: taint != fingerprints.
Adlai: taint in as meaningful as the person you're trying to do business with thinks it is
mircea_popescu: but really, the notion of taint is only recurring because people are stupid, and do not wish to think. otherwise, taint is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: Adlai didja eat dumb this morning ? i put 100 btc on one side, of your taint, and 100 btc on the other side, you don't know about. if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of "lalala taint doesn't exit". taint exists exactly as much and exactly for the reasons god "exists"
mircea_popescu: address A with your "taint" may lose to address B. what now ?
Adlai is equally amused from "lalala taint doesn't exist" and "lalala bitcoin doesn't exist"
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin << but there is in fiat.
danielpbarron: what is a clean coin? i thought there is no taint in bitcoin
asciilifeform: but you can still do a few useful tricks like taint/flow analysis
mircea_popescu: "One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."
mircea_popescu: a new cocktail: taint. http://40.media.tumblr.com/e704023cffe32165d77f316642444a2e/tumblr_mgvjxbP5V71rfc12eo1_500.jpg
tripleslash: :;rate BingoBoingo 1 ratings taint
sgornick: Oh, ... I think I see -- you are saying I didn't go far enough? Not only are trxs with post-fork taint worthless, but there could be trxs with no taint that would confirm on one side but would be invalid as they were already spent on the other side?
mircea_popescu: governing a herd of idiots who nevertheless think themselves the crown of creation is no easy feat. it is also no feat any thinking man should ever accomplish, for any accomplishment at all, and most mere attempts, are quite morally wrong, and taint something fierce.
BingoBoingo: Well I dunno that ninjashogun has ever read anything. It might taint his seekrit ideas with prior art.
Vexual: but mapping genomes is about as advanced as blockchain.info taint analysis
asciilifeform: blind 'taint' analysis is one thing, a list of 1mil names and deposit addrs is quite another.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work << except when it does
TheNewDeal: I'm naive here - not sure how blockchain.info runs their taint
BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work
TheNewDeal: how does their taint analysis work? maybe that's something kind of like what I'm looking for. Some 2nd and 3rd level addresses that have bumped into contact with a particular address
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