assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00056337 = 9.7198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00056215 = 31.3118 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.70000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b68
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00056284 = 30.7311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26534 @ 0.00056389 = 14.9623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00056548 = 6.7575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00056186 = 20.9012 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00056548 = 27.2561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47009 @ 0.00056186 = 26.4125 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: History rhymes https://archive.is/iYO50
assbot: Anyone else having orders cancelled by Coinbase : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1oQIaAr )
danielpbarron: heh i assumed the order i placed at 380 was gonna get cancled, but nope : got that coin in my own address today :D
BingoBoingo: congrats on your gamble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00056053 = 35.7618 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: is it a gamble? what was risked?
BingoBoingo: opportunity
danielpbarron: i mean i wasn't gonna buy elsewhere, and it wasn't the last of my cash
danielpbarron: anyway thanks for the congrats, it is still a nice outcome
danielpbarron: i think the trick with coinbase is a weekly small amount; the guy linked above was talking about several orders pending at once
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056362 = 1.9727 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 05:43:33 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107981 @ 0.00056458 = 60.9639 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37252 @ 0.00056753 = 21.1416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00056753 = 19.8068 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410510 << l0l goxbase☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 01:06:58; BingoBoingo: History rhymes https://archive.is/iYO50
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005588 = 9.0526 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'V. crabro ... Unlike most other vespines, reproductive suppression involves worker policing instead of queen pheromone control as was previously thought.' << srsly ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best filipinos - https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/46ng26/ez_guide_how_to_lose_money_in_a_blocksizerelated
assbot: [EZ Guide] How to LOSE money in a blocksize-related hard fork. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tro9vl )
asciilifeform: 'Your customer/attacker will send you some bad bitcoins that are only valid on the "old" fork. Hopefully they buy something expensive because you want to LOSE MONEY! You're also going to have to ship them whatever they bought before you realize you have been handed counterfeit money.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33975 @ 0.00056123 = 19.0678 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60561 @ 0.00056564 = 34.2557 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. best usg wasp!
mircea_popescu: anyway, trying to spin the "putin tore bahamas' arms off and beat him into a pulp with them" into "great foreign policy victory" thing is pretty much 100% of their fare by now.
mircea_popescu: backwards world.
asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/dni-16-0218.pdf << mega-l0l, backbreaker treatise on usg's 'insider threatz! leak-prevention' wankatron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48894 @ 0.0005588 = 27.322 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: for anyone who can be bothered to read
asciilifeform: claims such gems as, e.g., only 5% of applicants for usg clearance are disqualified
asciilifeform: (apparently hitler ordered a committee of committees to be convened to revise the rules somehow, and this is what it produced)
asciilifeform: ^ strictly for entomologists ^
mircea_popescu: this is bs. directly measurable rate of disqualification in the 3/4 to 2/3 range.
asciilifeform: measurable how ?
asciilifeform: the turd, note, did not claim '95% of usians are eligible', claimed that only 5% of ~applicants~ were told to go pound sand
mircea_popescu: ask a dozen people who applied, seven-eight tell you they got rejectered ?
asciilifeform: srsly?!
mircea_popescu: bout there.
asciilifeform: everybody i've ever met who had been forced into this miserable ritual, ended up in.
asciilifeform: (and then they end up doing comical things like 'going to confession booth' when 'accidentally' saw a snowden newspaper thing, etc)
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3VHHZ30.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XCZRz4 )
mircea_popescu: awww
asciilifeform: try not to laugh to death, aha.
mircea_popescu: as you say, sop.
asciilifeform: in other news, blocks that take my trb nodez 5-10 min. to verify have become sop.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> is it a gamble? what was risked? << bb is just butthurt he didn't buy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: earlier thread, p. 134 of turd has a chart, claims 1,084 usgrasty applicants with breakdown of why rejected
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: or, hm, first chart is 'issues' and second 'serious' (i.e., disqualifying) issues.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00056125 = 4.1813 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'There are three forms of employee commitment that may apply to commitment to country as well: affective (emotional: ― I feel good when I see the flag), normative (obligation: ― I belong here) and instrumental (no other option: ― I’m here because I have no choice).' << l0ltr0nic
asciilifeform: 'People want to be here, but why? Polling data suggest that the reasons are mostly instrumental (public funds, ease of travel), with only 17 percent expressing an affective reason.'
mircea_popescu: mcdonalds is still the cheapest food people who only speak english can purchase.
mircea_popescu: plus it comes in a variety of coatings, from burito to what's that other thing.
asciilifeform: moar lulz:
asciilifeform: 'The challenge: what is “financially over-extended” today? It is more common now than before, and debt has become the norm. We have to take financial situation into consideration and be flexible; otherwise, almost no one will qualify for a security clearance if we aren’t careful. We can’t ignore it, but need to consider the reasons for it. Before there may have been clear indicators but today
asciilifeform: people are losing jobs and there’s more challenges to survive.'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mcmuffin
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: so i guess they dropped it to 5% more recently ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86814 @ 0.00056069 = 48.6757 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: !up dbclk
danielpbarron: !up dbclk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00056126 = 31.3464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52870 @ 0.0005617 = 29.6971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40724 @ 0.0005588 = 22.7566 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Hooked on Monkey Phonics https://archive.is/kF9nz
assbot: LIVE! Core developers are trying to corrupt a coalition of miners with black magic! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2149hJv )
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/HH8PM5QN9OE << more gross americanists
assbot: Guy Eats In-N-Out Like An Absolute Maniac - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/2149sV7 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47251 @ 0.00056361 = 26.6311 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46740
assbot: FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/2149XhL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.0005588 = 38.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00056205 = 30.435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00056407 = 28.3445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87800 @ 0.00055854 = 49.0398 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80600 @ 0.00056419 = 45.4737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.00056941 = 50.9053 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00056419 = 5.6278 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 661 @ 0.00266793 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00056419 = 17.4053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00057011 = 34.5487 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056978 = 32.2495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99270 @ 0.00056373 = 55.9615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15740 @ 0.00056078 = 8.8267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27452 @ 0.00056078 = 15.3945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64587 @ 0.0005609 = 36.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90822 @ 0.00055968 = 50.8313 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5805 @ 0.00056525 = 3.2813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7361 @ 0.00056978 = 4.1942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98255 @ 0.00057054 = 56.0584 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20795 @ 0.00056948 = 11.8423 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00056924 = 53.6793 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40259 @ 0.00055963 = 22.5301 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16232 @ 0.00056594 = 9.1863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055787 = 15.1741 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31068 @ 0.00056594 = 17.5826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35341 @ 0.00056714 = 20.0433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00056704 = 5.1215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00056562 = 22.0026 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00056374 = 9.8936 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: [HKmtg]To Everyone: We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready
punkman: https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700958953656561664
punkman: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512 snowden join the apple circlejerk
punkman: in other robo-lawyer news http://www.businessinsider.com/joshua-browder-bot-for-parking-tickets-2016-2
assbot: Joshua Browder's Bot for parking tickets - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDCtBE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00056125 = 28.736 BTC [-]
punkman: aww http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35620368
assbot: Italian writer Umberto Eco dies at 84 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDE0aT )
mircea_popescu: aww
fluffypony: :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.00056078 = 29.9176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190200 @ 0.00055866 = 106.2571 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: T_T
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198477 @ 0.00056702 = 112.5404 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30164 @ 0.00056818 = 17.1386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3290 @ 0.00056861 = 1.8707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0005693 = 17.1359 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: eco!
asciilifeform: who is even left, now, who was anything, culturally.
asciilifeform: in other western civ nyooz,
asciilifeform: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35611906?post_id=1162541470438167_1353583394667306
assbot: Sex with animals remains banned in Germany as legal bid fails - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr8EV6 )
mircea_popescu: what's the jew's name
mircea_popescu: chomsky
asciilifeform: l0l, he's a...
asciilifeform: sorta like zhirinovsky
asciilifeform: pet opposition
asciilifeform: https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnARobles/status/700938057105678336/photo/1 << wut
assbot: Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOiCCl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25166 @ 0.00055787 = 14.0394 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_garlic_%28food%29
assbot: Black garlic (food) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr9uBt )
punkman: http://anarchadia.com/2013/10/14/edward-snowden-is-mark-zuckerbergs-cousin/
assbot: EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN - Anarchadia - Underground Anarchism Since 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOjmam )
punkman: I'm picturing a bum shouting "EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN" at people in a park
mircea_popescu: i have like eight dozen cousins, and this is counting just the ones i shouldn't be fucking.
mircea_popescu: what's such a bigdeal about cousinage ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-001-009.pdf << part2 of crapple l0ltron
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuDGd8 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ./Classic:0.11.2/985 nodes - (16.02%)
shinohai: There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa"
asciilifeform: what happened to the other ~1000 ?
shinohai: maybe they couldn't keep all the aws instances up.
asciilifeform: aws went up a penny? sooo sad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80953 @ 0.00055787 = 45.1613 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth
mircea_popescu: shinohai> There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" << write the boss and ask. sounds like a decent qntra piece.
mircea_popescu: "classic running on stolen infrastructure - perpetrator reprimanded"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because a) hitler doesn't have them and b) hitler is not stalin, to answer every ivanov dick and harry.
asciilifeform: what, bot-herding directorate had hdd crash?
asciilifeform: (b) i can see, but ph0rkatron is what if not ordered by the fuhrer?
mircea_popescu: fuhrer orders many things, pays for few or none.
mircea_popescu: what, turkey didn't get ordered to suicide ? what, you think anyone pays for it ?
asciilifeform: it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
mircea_popescu: pfff.
mircea_popescu: that is entirely in the derp's head. but i do mean entirely.
asciilifeform: every fire is in the head until not, sorta how it works, or bag men would all have empty bags
asciilifeform: and what, after syria usg is out of matches?
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile us army can't actually face turkish army, so there is that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00055945 = 18.7416 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: usg can turn their - or any other nato bitchdom's - air defenses off with one button.
mircea_popescu: notrly, the turks have a lot of russian stuff too.
mircea_popescu: and apparently even the very little syria had was ample
asciilifeform: ru will helpfully switch off the ru boxes
asciilifeform: nobody loves the poor turkz.
mircea_popescu: pretty sad really.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: like last time.
asciilifeform: in 1918
mircea_popescu: or to quote http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#selection-137.473-137.622
assbot: Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGeI8 )
asciilifeform: oh forfuxxsake
asciilifeform: how do i view the thing??!
asciilifeform: on what.
asciilifeform: vax?
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it magically doesn't work again ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck does this happen, it's not changed since when you said ti worked days ago ?!
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/ssbyP#selection-171.473-171.622 < does that work ?
assbot: Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGt5Q )
asciilifeform: ~this~ works.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
asciilifeform: the one that worked, worked on a crapple box.
asciilifeform: 'chrome'
mircea_popescu: and right now ?
asciilifeform: the archive link works on 'chromium'
asciilifeform: but not on crapple
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu dreams of one day having a fucking html document presentation stack that allows this to work.
mircea_popescu: it's the one innovation since a href that's worth having.
asciilifeform: ted nelson described it in ~1970
asciilifeform: !s transclusion
assbot: 0 results for 'transclusion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transclusion
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: !s xanadu
assbot: 6 results for 'xanadu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xanadu
mircea_popescu: good for him so where is it.
asciilifeform: nowhere, he got openbsd'd.
asciilifeform: (don't even bother looking at the thing that got 'released' a few yrs back.)
asciilifeform: nelson is an interesting case of failed inventor, i have all of his published materials here and studied very carefull
asciilifeform: y
asciilifeform: at one point, after decades of futile crackpottery, he made phriends with some money fella and actually got funded, but turned out that this did not help
mircea_popescu: aha ?
asciilifeform: 'brogrammers' frittered away the funds, whole thing collapsed in a giant black hole of mismanagement, graft, and varied charlatanry
mircea_popescu: it rarely helps.
mircea_popescu: giving money / cunt / whatever to "engineer" minded idiots is a monumental waste.
asciilifeform: he was not equipped to birth the thing with own hands
asciilifeform: (not that anyone would have given money for that)
asciilifeform: money is 'given' so that you can 'buy 200 mil of ads from arsebook, who gave it' as per mircea_popescu's article.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
asciilifeform: me too
asciilifeform: ~6G occupied by trb on dulap after 40 days. nb.
mircea_popescu: !rate gaxaro 1 Euloran
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/226e30cf1ca1875f
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gaxaro.1:d3988c802eaefea702616d83201ea61045b6ddd590ef3129643656c8b3dd2dd3
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for gaxaro with note: Euloran
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123277 @ 0.00056908 = 70.1545 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Someone gets it http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46764
assbot: FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQG1Lp )
pete_dushenski: https://c1.oliveoiltim.es/library/ucd-2010-report.pdf << costco is one of the few mega-corps who doesn't cheat on what they call 'extra virgin' olive oil.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Or was better at not getting caught
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!
assbot: Lecture 36 ROM-EPROM,EEPROM and Flash EPROM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQGMEh )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: like crapple
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: crapple or anyone else big enough to put on a show for the people
pete_dushenski: 'lights, camera, craption!'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: in other news, the things yo ugotta do to get girl to tan without lines : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9a9f5cebcfbd61915ef997e9a9eade88/tumblr_mxrzq2yiwW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQH0ez )
punkman: she'd get tan lines from the chains tho
mircea_popescu: there is no escape!11
punkman: clear plastic chains!
mircea_popescu: still block uv
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410670 << more like gets paid in "we iz ko-moo-nitee"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 15:22:47; asciilifeform: it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
pete_dushenski: feelings as currency - worth ~usd at this point
mircea_popescu: payment in feelers!
mircea_popescu: in which field eulora is again one step ahead - you can literally ask to be paid in feelings.
pete_dushenski: dingdingding
mircea_popescu: they're really cheap, too
pete_dushenski: 'best price for you, my friend'
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo is just starting to confront the magnitude of crapple stockholm syndrome on that qntra's comments
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410727 << is today the big day ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 15:42:01; mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
mircea_popescu: *fingers crossed*
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: possibly.
asciilifeform: likely to soak up all of tomorrow too.
pete_dushenski: well, break a leg out there
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/nyt-usg-16-0219.pdf << preeeeeeet!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQI02u )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: if cupertino syndrome can happen to alf... what hope is there for the common man ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't crapple off the clock, normally
pete_dushenski: iph0ne1`11!!!
pete_dushenski: 'infinite loop syndrome' works too
pete_dushenski: (apple's hq is located at #1 infinite loop in cupertino ca)
pete_dushenski: looks like we'll hit block 400`000 this weekend eh
BingoBoingo: We have synthesis apparently https://archive.is/gtO5a
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQIplj )
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.3, Best ask: 435.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.36, 24 hour volume: 23935.00095199, 24 hour low: 417.57, 24 hour high: 437.58, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: ^and liftoff
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: typical 'tree tweaks' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: megatonnes of crapolade in blox for week+ now
mircea_popescu: aha.
BingoBoingo: Apparently code 3 months, trigger at least 1 year+ from now, but negotiations apparently ongoing
mircea_popescu: they can "negotiate" until they fall over.
BingoBoingo: Still, theater
mircea_popescu: the unmitigated audacity of schmuckdom never fails to astound.
pete_dushenski: no wonder the roman republic distrusted actors
pete_dushenski: bbiab. farmer's market.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2890.15, vol: 55196.55160000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2890.15
BingoBoingo: !up micheieh
mircea_popescu: anyway, situation reminds me of the time some derpy vc schmucks flew over to asia to "save mtgox consensus".
mircea_popescu: i suppose the sort of vermin will die believing in their own relevancy.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Apparently reddit is racis https://archive.is/MRvO0
assbot: NO BLACKS ALLOWED IN THE BITCOIN SPACE! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHGO7t )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00057184 = 34.7107 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b70
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Rises Above 163 Billion - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-rises-above-163-billion/
punkman: alphago bet back to even odds eh
asciilifeform: need moar reddit coinz
BingoBoingo: This is bullish for alf wallet
punkman: any idea how many cpus/gpus alphago will use in the match?
asciilifeform: maxint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266483 @ 0.00057215 = 152.4682 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
asciilifeform: punkman: nope. isn't chess, computer doesn't help.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387284 btw all I've read said no handicap☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 23:48:23; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387121 << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games
deedbot-: [Qntra] Tampa Police Refuse To Work Plus Sized Star's Event After Insult - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tampa-police-refuse-to-work-plus-sized-stars-event-after-insult/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80477 @ 0.000573 = 46.1133 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 14675 @ 0.00023316 = 3.4216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00057339 = 47.9927 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://visual6502.org/JSSim << in other oldies.
assbot: Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMH4u )
asciilifeform: http://visual6502.org/JSSim/expert.html << even better.
assbot: Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMIFG )
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00023316 / 0.00023536 / 0.0002676 (16150 shares, 3.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040735 / 0.00049913 (54640 shares, 22.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040332 / 0.00049913 (197184 shares, 79.53 BTC)
asciilifeform: PHYSICAL simulation of the thing, based on photographed and ocr'd dies, with animation.
BingoBoingo: holy shit
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neat
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/ << your girls?
assbot: Letters from the stupid country on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mONzWN )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: written in browsercrud even. imagine what could be done on an ~actual~ comp
ben_vulpes: simulate a whole computer, shock, awe
asciilifeform: was thinking re: how 'moore's law', even in its heyday, did not substantially affect the inflation-adjusted COST of having a chip baked
asciilifeform: because, at least partly, the latter represents 'capital allocation', or as mircea_popescu's article put it, 'a thing we can't all be doing'
asciilifeform: (the nre cost is what i'm speaking of)
ben_vulpes: masks and shots were never terribly affected by moore's law itself
asciilifeform: nor the meat labour
asciilifeform: and if anything, the relevant tooling operations are now ~rarer~, more involved, costlier, the qualified folks - fewer.
ben_vulpes: subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas
ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
asciilifeform: it takes ~16 yrs. to make a process tech.
asciilifeform: starting from zygote.
asciilifeform: if you think '6 mo' it is because someone did this work for you, for phree
ben_vulpes: i'm not even talking about the incubating
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about attention to detail, understanding wtf is happening, why the suit is a necessary thing, why the sticky pads at each door...
mod6: email got snarffed
ben_vulpes: but perhaps i only ever worked in environments of rarefied tech capabilities
ben_vulpes: we were making probes
ben_vulpes: and then there's the economic differences: barista can dream of what -- going on tour? owning their own coffee shop? writing a best selling memoir about...running a coffee shop and going on tour?
ben_vulpes: process tech at least can hold out hope they'll move into mgmt if they go to night school and get that b.s.
mod6: both emails snarffed.
mod6: jurov: do you see any issues on your side? my signed email verifies, etc, everything looks good from my side. ^
mod6: anyway, im gonna move on until I know more re: ^
jurov: yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system
jurov: will check
mod6: ALL: the website has been updated with the newest V [v99995]
mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )
jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
mod6: Once we have confirmation, we can update the wiki -- this needs to happen TODAY.
mod6: gernika, shinohai, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, hanbot, et. al. ^
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: mod6: i was actually looking for tha
ben_vulpes: man fuck weechat's half-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls
ben_vulpes: oh thank god
ben_vulpes: it's the weekend
ben_vulpes: i can close xcode
phf: you know what has non hasl-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls? erc :]
ben_vulpes: phf: no bullllyyyyyy
phf: b-a is ma safe space
ben_vulpes: phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs
mod6: thanks jurov
ben_vulpes: very distracting when it comes to getting work done.
ben_vulpes: smpt SASL << wut
phf: yeah, i agree actually
ben_vulpes: phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the *constant* muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall
phf: i was thinking of maybe disabling all chat notifications.. something i wanted to look into. i spend workweek twitch checking irc
jurov: mod6 looks like it's fixed, my test email went through.... check whether your email was queued
jurov: whether it needs to be resent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057339 = 15.6249 BTC [+]
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 <<< on it☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
mod6: thanks shinohai
mod6: jurov: ok thanks, i'll hvae to resend later.
jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
pete_dushenski: mod6: what are the differences between 99995 and 99996_2 ?
mod6: it's in the email that was snarffed.
mod6: but, instead, I'll just give you some links that outline the changes in the beta emails
pete_dushenski goes to blackhole in outer space where snarfs live to read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00056927 = 52.8283 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nOoTzm )
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a )
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000211.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 3 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3JTm )
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000212.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL )
mod6: pete_dushenski: if you want an actual vdiff of the changes, refer to BETA 4 email, the latest is contained.
pete_dushenski: aha. cheers!
mod6: actually.
mod6: 99996_2 is not a V release -- it is a 'build-bitcoind' script version.
mod6: and the difference between 99996_2 and 99995 build scripts is nothing more than updating the SHA512 for V-20160220.tar.gz and the name of the tarball.
mod6: but yah, anyway, the differences between V [v99996] and [v99995] are outlined in the above emails, and ya, the last one [beta 4] has a complete vdiff between the too.
mod6: s/too/two
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410853 << wai wut where was this ??☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:15; jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
jurov: on a mail server
pete_dushenski: mod6: cool :D
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 << this builds ancient ver☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
asciilifeform: i mean wut, no malleus ?
asciilifeform: no verstring
asciilifeform: etc
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405198 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 23:22:01; mod6: oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: why ?
asciilifeform: imho the scripts such as this should make it ~clear what will be pressed~
asciilifeform: from reading with naked eye.
jurov: mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i agree. but user can 'read tin' on which there is a label, or just check 'patches' folder once built
asciilifeform: no good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54837 @ 0.00057339 = 31.443 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: for one thing, no label
pete_dushenski: on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself
asciilifeform: for other, we have a number of these sh floating around and this is maddening
asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
asciilifeform: gotta nail down the workingset used.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410879 << this is urgently needed☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:39:11; jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
asciilifeform: i have maybe a dozen things i ought to sign
asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: in my admittedly meagre understanding of v, the working set is determined by the .wot set, no ? and isn't this about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-02-2016#1404304 ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 02:06:58; mircea_popescu: trust people, not code.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
asciilifeform: it has to come from somewhere.
asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous.
phf: i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability.. http://btcbase.org/upload
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1rIqB )
asciilifeform: where do i put a patch so that everybody ~immediately~ sees it ?
phf: ^-
asciilifeform: that arm looks familiar...
phf: oh shit, scratch that, i just checked the code it's not actually saving it anywhere :)
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: ideally patch hopper oughta deedbot also.
asciilifeform: and work in channel.
phf: much wip
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056711 = 34.6504 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: ?
ben_vulpes: pressing to a head should simply recurse to the root of that head
ben_vulpes: i have always said this.
ben_vulpes: one thing and one thing only.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: breaks parallel leaves
asciilifeform: ergo useless.
jurov: asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?
ben_vulpes: explain the use of parallel leaves?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do you want the motherfuckng db lock fix omitted from your build?!
asciilifeform: think for a minute.
ben_vulpes: ah shit that has no descendents?
asciilifeform: while looking at the graph
asciilifeform: jurov: nfi
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ok ok
asciilifeform: but this must be made to work.
ben_vulpes: press an explicit set of leaves?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that would work
ben_vulpes: ugh mod6 does this thing actually kill my terminal session when it dies?
asciilifeform: i intended this originally
phf: have a list of patches that are to be pressed made manually?
phf ducks
asciilifeform: phf: you don't need vtron for this, go use bare hands
phf: therein lies the joke
BingoBoingo: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TY12GN.txt )
asciilifeform: hey if you recall, this was actually goodenuff for me
asciilifeform: i wrote v because mircea_popescu and hanbot cried
ben_vulpes: mod6: didja run off?
asciilifeform: and threatened to take up cvs or whatnot savagery
ben_vulpes: savagery lol
ben_vulpes: french toast is what shall be delivered, bbl
ben_vulpes: mod6: script does not work for me, complains about mismatched hashes
ben_vulpes: also murdered my terminal session
phf: mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70582 @ 0.00057339 = 40.471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00057355 = 13.5272 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 10280.57093863 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.85, vol: 9604.34192 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.5, vol: 42088.37363383 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 3.10639532 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 449.785266, vol: 60682.98270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.38, vol: 1025.55959755 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 440.855667, vol: 92.03321959 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 445.829871266
BingoBoingo: ^ Spread is suspicously tight. Where did the China premium go?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00057325 = 23.5606 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Chainalysis Partners With Only Possible Customer - http://qntra.net/2016/02/chainalysis-partners-with-only-possible-customer/
ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
ben_vulpes: previous hash mismatches appear to be something wacky with this gentoo vm on my macbook
ben_vulpes throws up hands in disgust
ben_vulpes: going to have fun running that the fuck down.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54769 @ 0.00056887 = 31.1564 BTC [-]
phf: favorite gpgme error, "err-no-error"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: do you have buildroot dood's dsa sig in your gpg keyring ?
pete_dushenski: *dsa key
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1390869 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:38; assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:08; phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@uclibc.org>" imported
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'd expect an entirely different error should that have been the case
ben_vulpes: and yes i have it in my keychain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19472 @ 0.00056897 = 11.079 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: that's right, that part of the build scripts runs with the user gpg keychain
ben_vulpes: STATE
ben_vulpes: AUGH
pete_dushenski: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0005686 = 25.9282 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410806 << computer assisted dating, also.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 17:56:45; punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00056646 = 52.5108 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410834 << starbux barrista probably takes one week on on the workplace.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:04:49; ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
mircea_popescu: what "train"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no i did not go into each idiocy in depth
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410869 << stop trying to resist the lure of the b-a commissariat!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:22:54; phf: yeah, i agree actually
mod6: ok did a build on my gentoo with 'build-bitcoind-V99995.sh' and looks fine: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4889056 Feb 20 21:24 bitcoind
mod6: ben_vulpes, shinohai, jurov
mod6: let's get some pastes and see what's goin on here.
ben_vulpes: just dumb shit mod6
mod6: <+phf> mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain? << not until i finally get this thing working.
mod6: ben_vulpes: are you saying that it doesn't work? or that it was just that you didn't have whatever rando guys' key in your keyring?
ben_vulpes: no, just that i keep seeing that error.
ben_vulpes: and that i suspect gpg means to convey that it is not actually checking the sig.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://45.media.tumblr.com/d94a622dacfd972d5214c5bc590c8d46/tumblr_nnwbfyaOd41tpspkgo1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dbF )
jurov: mod6: http://dpaste.com/3W7EQM4
assbot: dpaste: 3W7EQM4: V99995 ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dZd )
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok. lemme check on mine.
mod6: ugh. im so tired of this fucking shit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aha ?
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into
ben_vulpes: i suspect it has to do with mounting a filesystem into a vm
mod6: mine doesn't do that at all.
ben_vulpes: blows up on the .gitignore which iirc is an empty file
mod6: i have not seen that in the MONTH of testing that i've been doing.
ben_vulpes: mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think
mod6: shinohai: you saw something similar too right?
mircea_popescu: mod6 love computers yet ? :D
mod6: i hate computers. yes.
mod6: kill them all.
mircea_popescu: :)))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99316 @ 0.00057126 = 56.7353 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to be a pimp – a simple yet understandable and still exhaustive guide, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/20/how-to-be-a-pimp-a-simple-yet-understandable-and-still-exhaustive-guide-translated/
mod6: these godddam fucking cocksuckers are going to give ole mod6 a heart attack.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio my turn on your turn is live. thanks for the assist :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: let's come play eulora instead and watch few bitcents of stuff go *poof* !
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist." << create your .wot in the same dir that you place the build script, create a log of your findings, and see what happens plz.
mircea_popescu: jurov noob just turned 1 adze + 30 threads into 40k.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified. << ok but how should this work
ben_vulpes: mod6: see the rest of the thread. provide an explicit list of leaves to press.
jurov: mod6 did "cp -rp ~/.wot ." , same result
mod6: i can't do this.
mircea_popescu: uh
mod6: this is too much work for one guy.
jurov: it insists on having .wot in /
mod6: we need someone to maintain a V that makes sense.
mircea_popescu: mod6 take it easy for a second, will you ? nopanic!
pete_dushenski: mod6: breathe !
mod6: jurov: the changes to V look for .wot and .seals in the pwd.
jurov: mircea_popescu: why are you telling me that?
mod6: is your pwd / ?
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!
jurov: mod6 see the paste - no it is not.
mod6 looks
mod6: why in the world do I work on shit for a month, post betas all the way, and then we hit these issues now?
pete_dushenski: mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)
mod6: jurov:
mod6: ok, so first, get rid of this crud
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's seriously how it happens. same thing with eulora and everything else.
mod6: "LC_ALL=C LANG=C"
mod6: then place .wot in "/data/juro/btc/V99995"
mod6: if it is, then there might be some sort of issue. i'll have to dig in to that. can you try maybe just clearing everything and trying again?
shinohai: mod6 the .gitignore comes from not removing the old directory
mod6: what old dir?
mod6: please start clean on this.
jurov: mod6 i have somalian locales, but with or without them it's the same result
mod6: new build dir, the whole 9
jurov: cleaned up eveything, there is now only .wot and build-bitcoind-V99995.sh, same result
shinohai: if you have a rotor dir and try to run script it fails.
mod6: yup
mod6: ok clean.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410922 << would we do me the favour and quote me when we agree with me like this as i have nfi what this is. also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410930 <<< what stupid shit is this! specify THE PATCH SET ? fu! you mean specify the wot and the genesis ?☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:03:57; asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:06; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
ben_vulpes: mod6: testing cycle in #b-a is slow as sin
mircea_popescu: i ain't specifying no list of patches wtf.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?
mod6: ben_vulpes: yah, and when you're testing in production, this can't be a thing.
mod6: this is the worst of all worlds.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410927 << if you send them to me ima mail them o.O☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:06:20; asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: only if "actual test cycles" only means "#b-a test cycles"
ben_vulpes: and yes, things are getting faster.
mircea_popescu: mod6 im telling you , dunno if you read that log or not : you need a separate testing genesis.
mod6: until we finally get a test branch and so on and so forth, this stuff has to be ~perfect~ or we've got zip
BingoBoingo: Oh, the urls that lead spam nowadays http://dpaste.com/0NXTYK4.txt
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mircea_popescu: the pointer in that convo is currently at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2016#1408041 but do read the prev.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 05:22:12; mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not a list of patches a list of *leaves*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no fucking list of anything. genesis item and wot.
mircea_popescu: wtf!
ben_vulpes: "i want everything necessary for malleus and db locks"
mircea_popescu: i never said that.
ben_vulpes: did i say that you did?!
mircea_popescu: who are you quoting then ? or what is that ?
phf: asciilifeform said that
ben_vulpes: what one might say to a V implementation.
mircea_popescu: one who is broken in the head may say that.
mircea_popescu: the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
ben_vulpes: then press to a release patch, fin.
ben_vulpes: what you and i need from V diverge.
mircea_popescu: does what i and you need from a hammer also diverge ?
ben_vulpes: unless you expect it to be only and ever a release tool and not a tool for people actually working on the thing to use in their workflow.
mircea_popescu: it seems somewhat improbable that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.
ben_vulpes: you - want to sink nails. i want to pull them out occasionally.
mircea_popescu: but in this i may be wrong.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i am laboring under the misapprehension that v should be useful for something other than putting software on mircea_popescu's box
mircea_popescu: should bitcoin also be useful for something more other than ~dependably~ keeping track of moneyz ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps... to help african children ? or other groups dear to our hearts ?
ben_vulpes: *i* want to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.
mircea_popescu: good! fine!
mircea_popescu: and you want emacs to i dunno what ! who's keepin ya!
ben_vulpes: you will get a release patch and you will press to it. there is your hammer.
ben_vulpes: there is the "bitcoin as these gentlemen"
mircea_popescu: i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
mod6: jurov: this is what i'm seeing on my gentoo fwiw: http://dpaste.com/37164CX.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIg6LM )
mircea_popescu: the idea is exctly NOT to have coder comfort and sanity at the expense of "this is the user's script"
mod6: im not sure why yours is saying that.
jurov: mod6 `pwd` returns nothing on my machine /o\
mod6: then your machine is hosed.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's a new one ?!
ben_vulpes: how is this "user's script" not precisely the windows release?
mod6: ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's what i said.
mircea_popescu realises that the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.
ben_vulpes: try like i'm five, the windows comparison is shorting me out
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.
mircea_popescu: let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?
mircea_popescu: which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
ben_vulpes: from 'how the wot is attacked'?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: so bear with me: how is 'v' not groupthink incarnate?
mircea_popescu: your v apparently is. hence my windoes comment.
mircea_popescu: but V itself is not, at all.
ben_vulpes is hit by a particularly unpleasant revelatory wave
mircea_popescu: hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be
mircea_popescu: ie, it's easy to pick on alf about his enamourement with the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.
mircea_popescu: but the insanity is found in all heads.
mircea_popescu: and subtle - which is to say just subtle enough to avoid detection by the head it sits in.
ben_vulpes: i should simply expect misery from you every time i bring up the topic of how a v might work then?
mircea_popescu: in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.
mircea_popescu: mno, ideally we'll discuss this to the point we are happily getting it
mircea_popescu: but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact the llvm-ing of the v.
ben_vulpes fully adrift now, without even a sun to tell east from west
mircea_popescu: ;/
ben_vulpes: the turning of a compiler which should simply ingest code and shit elfs into a developer-centric tool?
ben_vulpes: 'code monkey' excuse me
mircea_popescu: mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.
mircea_popescu: i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
ben_vulpes: i am not well versed enough in the history of gcc and llvm to understand this.
mircea_popescu: do understand that it is simply not acceptable in new things.
BingoBoingo: More "history rhymes" https://archive.is/5ya5Q
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?
mod6: alright gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"
mircea_popescu: asswipes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yup
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mod6: I'm gonna eat something, probably overly hangry here.
mircea_popescu: really mod6 no reason to get worked up.
mod6: if you encounter any issues, let's do what jurov did and dpaste 'em, we'll get through this one step at a time tonight.
mircea_popescu: you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not the end of the world.
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu. I'm doing my best -- I need to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence the self-imposed deadline here.
mircea_popescu: yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you to live longer than the road there.
mod6: Ok. Will do, Sir.
mod6: Thanks for everyone taking the time, I know it's not pain-free with some of this stuff yet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410932 << ridiculous is not a reason to go back to the fucking insane asylum!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:44; asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous.
ben_vulpes: thanks mod6, no need to kill yourself driving at 90mph
mircea_popescu: actually ben_vulpes it occurs to me, maybe the following description of final state is helpful :
ben_vulpes: i'm still trying to cook up a syllogism over here
mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
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mircea_popescu: he decides he wants to add three lines of code to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write those lines of code, sign them, add his own sig in the wot and voila.
mircea_popescu: the girl, upon visiting, notices this, likes the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.
mircea_popescu: depends how good the fucking was. a) is more discrete.
mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
mircea_popescu: or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs that.
mircea_popescu: CONTRARY to this sane process, in the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,
mircea_popescu: guy tries to find the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit, then tries to make friends with the people and put his fucking code in, to FORCE it upon the fucking userbase.
mircea_popescu: now : list of nodes necessarily maintains some sort of portion of alt-universe.
mircea_popescu: and i really don't want any of it to survive.
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mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
ben_vulpes: strictly a release tool for the free world, then.
ben_vulpes: old habits do die hard.
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mircea_popescu: it hastabe. there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish, to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line
mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: i think that i understand the windows comment now
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails to verify against 59C36319
jurov: which is Peter Korsgaard uclibc pubkey
jurov: when i imported it into my gpg keyring and reran, it goes
ben_vulpes: jurov: yes, this script uses the user keyring
ben_vulpes: how this came to be i do not know
phf: "i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in the year of our republic 1932, having devoted three months to the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down to transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints."
jurov: !b 1
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07F6FE7.txt )
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: point taken, but it is unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: laugh if you will, laugh if you must, do what must be done and not an iota less.
mircea_popescu: the zombie world entirely exists out of that iota less.
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BingoBoingo: HARD FORK SEGWIT https://archive.is/KMCyW
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mircea_popescu: alrighty then, for the n-th fucking time, this blabla.
mircea_popescu: Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter Todd, Kang Xie,
mircea_popescu: Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are to be negrated on sight.
mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
mircea_popescu: and with that... see you on judgement day, derps.
mircea_popescu: buncha posturing fucktards.
BingoBoingo: EMBARGO! which spelled backwards is O GRAB ME
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: no idea who the fuck uses any of that crap anyway, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.
BingoBoingo can't wait for halving
mircea_popescu: are any of those schmucks in the wot even ?
mircea_popescu: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=adam+back&fingerprint=on&op=index << random example. not a single proper key in sight. fucktard.
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BingoBoingo: I dunno.
BingoBoingo: Caught one https://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=BlueMatt&sign=ANY&type=RECV
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mircea_popescu: !rated bluematt
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mircea_popescu: !rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
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mircea_popescu: !rated petertodd
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mircea_popescu: !rate petertodd -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
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mircea_popescu: !rated pgp
assbot: You have not rated pgp.
mircea_popescu: !rate pgp -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
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mircea_popescu: "Bobby Lee (n. San Diego, California, 17 de septiembre de 1972), es un actor y comediante estadounidense". mkay.
jurov: mod6 it did compiled!
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: "Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork." https://archive.is/u1Dv9
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mats: lol
mircea_popescu: obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got to lose ? costs 0 for him.
mircea_popescu: at least chinese twerps pay for a meal.
mircea_popescu: ~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
mircea_popescu: the costs go to the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit, that's the fucking point of advertising to consumers.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411204 << this is what i said all along☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
mircea_popescu: ok!
asciilifeform: NO to ANY networking code in v!
mircea_popescu: as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
mircea_popescu: eventually you'll have gossipd and will want gossipd-based networking
asciilifeform: and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.
mircea_popescu: for now curl - after victory, gossipd!
asciilifeform: for now local disk
mircea_popescu: or that.
asciilifeform: the central repository thing is ultra-broken
ben_vulpes: ahaha phil went derp?
BingoBoingo: Who's phil?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point.
asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
mircea_popescu: against what you have.
asciilifeform: did this, and mod6 had to redo it all
mircea_popescu: of course. this is intentional and by design.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411199 << this is dwim.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:26:08; mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
asciilifeform: sorry.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
asciilifeform: we know that mircea_popescu likes beating, but you will not make a horse fly by extra-strong beating
mircea_popescu: be specific!
ben_vulpes: wow and world trade financial group is no longer even a thing
ben_vulpes: https://web.archive.org/web/20120831151958/http://wtfg.com/about-us
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asciilifeform: nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ...
asciilifeform: and there is not nor cannot be a guarantee that you can go from names to build automagically
mircea_popescu: "nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"
asciilifeform: the patch set must physically come from somewhere.
asciilifeform: say - where !
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait, were you at c1 and i forget ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not specified where.
mircea_popescu: none of your business personally where either.
mircea_popescu: if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
mircea_popescu: discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
mircea_popescu: is it signed or isn't it ?
asciilifeform: patches depend on previous patches.
mircea_popescu: only in some worlds.
phf: ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?
mircea_popescu: in other worlds - different bitcoin entirely runs, or same runs under different name or w/e.
mircea_popescu: phf no afaik that's the phil potter in question.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody stops mircea_popescu from living in a private universe.
mircea_popescu: all universes must be private in this sense.
phf: ah, word. the juxtaposition of ascii's comment about central repo..
asciilifeform: on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb
mircea_popescu: the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"
ben_vulpes: "Phil Potter \n Chief Strategy Officer \n Bitfinex"
asciilifeform: and can't entirely move to separate planets
ben_vulpes: dag
mircea_popescu: i dun get what you mean asciilifeform
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mircea_popescu: can you be specific ?
ben_vulpes: phf: no, pgp.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411288 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol no i do not
mircea_popescu: you don't "release" a patch.
mircea_popescu: fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.
mircea_popescu: this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
ben_vulpes: but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times
mircea_popescu: and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
mircea_popescu: rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
mircea_popescu: it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
asciilifeform: its a people difference though
asciilifeform: not machine
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.
mircea_popescu: take them out of that swamp already.
asciilifeform: i see no evidence for this.
asciilifeform: their ~children~ usg, yes
mircea_popescu: sigh.
asciilifeform brb