assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00056337 = 9.7198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00056215 = 31.3118 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00056284 = 30.7311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26534 @ 0.00056389 = 14.9623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00056548 = 6.7575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00056186 = 20.9012 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00056548 = 27.2561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47009 @ 0.00056186 = 26.4125 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: heh i assumed the order i placed at 380 was gonna get cancled, but nope : got that coin in my own address today :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00056053 = 35.7618 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: i mean i wasn't gonna buy elsewhere, and it wasn't the last of my cash
danielpbarron: anyway thanks for the congrats, it is still a nice outcome
danielpbarron: i think the trick with coinbase is a weekly small amount; the guy linked above was talking about several orders pending at once
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056362 = 1.9727 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 05:43:33 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107981 @ 0.00056458 = 60.9639 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37252 @ 0.00056753 = 21.1416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00056753 = 19.8068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005588 = 9.0526 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33975 @ 0.00056123 = 19.0678 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60561 @ 0.00056564 = 34.2557 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, trying to spin the "putin tore bahamas' arms off and beat him into a pulp with them" into "great foreign policy victory" thing is pretty much 100% of their fare by now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48894 @ 0.0005588 = 27.322 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is bs. directly measurable rate of disqualification in the 3/4 to 2/3 range.
mircea_popescu: ask a dozen people who applied, seven-eight tell you they got rejectered ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> is it a gamble? what was risked? << bb is just butthurt he didn't buy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00056125 = 4.1813 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mcdonalds is still the cheapest food people who only speak english can purchase.
mircea_popescu: plus it comes in a variety of coatings, from burito to what's that other thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86814 @ 0.00056069 = 48.6757 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00056126 = 31.3464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52870 @ 0.0005617 = 29.6971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40724 @ 0.0005588 = 22.7566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47251 @ 0.00056361 = 26.6311 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.0005588 = 38.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00056205 = 30.435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00056407 = 28.3445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87800 @ 0.00055854 = 49.0398 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80600 @ 0.00056419 = 45.4737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.00056941 = 50.9053 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00056419 = 5.6278 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 661 @ 0.00266793 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00056419 = 17.4053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00057011 = 34.5487 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056978 = 32.2495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99270 @ 0.00056373 = 55.9615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15740 @ 0.00056078 = 8.8267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27452 @ 0.00056078 = 15.3945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64587 @ 0.0005609 = 36.2268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90822 @ 0.00055968 = 50.8313 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5805 @ 0.00056525 = 3.2813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7361 @ 0.00056978 = 4.1942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98255 @ 0.00057054 = 56.0584 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20795 @ 0.00056948 = 11.8423 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00056924 = 53.6793 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40259 @ 0.00055963 = 22.5301 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16232 @ 0.00056594 = 9.1863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055787 = 15.1741 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31068 @ 0.00056594 = 17.5826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35341 @ 0.00056714 = 20.0433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00056704 = 5.1215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00056562 = 22.0026 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00056374 = 9.8936 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: [HKmtg]To Everyone: We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00056125 = 28.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.00056078 = 29.9176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190200 @ 0.00055866 = 106.2571 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198477 @ 0.00056702 = 112.5404 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30164 @ 0.00056818 = 17.1386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3290 @ 0.00056861 = 1.8707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0005693 = 17.1359 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25166 @ 0.00055787 = 14.0394 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: I'm picturing a bum shouting "EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN" at people in a park
mircea_popescu: i have like eight dozen cousins, and this is counting just the ones i shouldn't be fucking.
shinohai: ./Classic:0.11.2/985 nodes - (16.02%)
shinohai: There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333
shinohai: maybe they couldn't keep all the aws instances up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80953 @ 0.00055787 = 45.1613 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: shinohai> There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333 << write the boss and ask. sounds like a decent qntra piece.
mircea_popescu: "classic running on stolen infrastructure - perpetrator reprimanded"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because a) hitler doesn't have them and b) hitler is not stalin, to answer every ivanov dick and harry.
mircea_popescu: what, turkey didn't get ordered to suicide ? what, you think anyone pays for it ?
mircea_popescu: that is entirely in the derp's head. but i do mean entirely.
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile us army can't actually face turkish army, so there is that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00055945 = 18.7416 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and apparently even the very little syria had was ample
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck does this happen, it's not changed since when you said ti worked days ago ?!
mircea_popescu dreams of one day having a fucking html document presentation stack that allows this to work.
mircea_popescu: it's the one innovation since a href that's worth having.
mircea_popescu: giving money / cunt / whatever to "engineer" minded idiots is a monumental waste.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
☟︎ mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gaxaro.1:d3988c802eaefea702616d83201ea61045b6ddd590ef3129643656c8b3dd2dd3
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for gaxaro with note: Euloran
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123277 @ 0.00056908 = 70.1545 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Or was better at not getting caught
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: crapple or anyone else big enough to put on a show for the people
punkman: she'd get tan lines from the chains tho
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 15:22:47; asciilifeform: it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
mircea_popescu: in which field eulora is again one step ahead - you can literally ask to be paid in feelings.
BingoBoingo is just starting to confront the magnitude of crapple stockholm syndrome on that qntra's comments
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 15:42:01; mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: if cupertino syndrome can happen to alf... what hope is there for the common man ?
pete_dushenski: (apple's hq is located at #1 infinite loop in cupertino ca)
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.3, Best ask: 435.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.36, 24 hour volume: 23935.00095199, 24 hour low: 417.57, 24 hour high: 437.58, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo: Apparently code 3 months, trigger at least 1 year+ from now, but negotiations apparently ongoing
mircea_popescu: the unmitigated audacity of schmuckdom never fails to astound.
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2890.15, vol: 55196.55160000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2890.15
mircea_popescu: anyway, situation reminds me of the time some derpy vc schmucks flew over to asia to "save mtgox consensus".
mircea_popescu: i suppose the sort of vermin will die believing in their own relevancy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00057184 = 34.7107 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: alphago bet back to even odds eh
punkman: any idea how many cpus/gpus alphago will use in the match?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266483 @ 0.00057215 = 152.4682 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80477 @ 0.000573 = 46.1133 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 14675 @ 0.00023316 = 3.4216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00057339 = 47.9927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00023316 / 0.00023536 / 0.0002676 (16150 shares, 3.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040735 / 0.00049913 (54640 shares, 22.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040332 / 0.00049913 (197184 shares, 79.53 BTC)
ben_vulpes: masks and shots were never terribly affected by moore's law itself
ben_vulpes: subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas
ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i'm not even talking about the incubating
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about attention to detail, understanding wtf is happening, why the suit is a necessary thing, why the sticky pads at each door...
ben_vulpes: but perhaps i only ever worked in environments of rarefied tech capabilities
ben_vulpes: and then there's the economic differences: barista can dream of what -- going on tour? owning their own coffee shop? writing a best selling memoir about...running a coffee shop and going on tour?
ben_vulpes: process tech at least can hold out hope they'll move into mgmt if they go to night school and get that b.s.
mod6: both emails snarffed.
mod6: jurov: do you see any issues on your side? my signed email verifies, etc, everything looks good from my side. ^
mod6: anyway, im gonna move on until I know more re: ^
jurov: yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system
mod6: ALL: the website has been updated with the newest V [v99995]
jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
☟︎ mod6: Once we have confirmation, we can update the wiki -- this needs to happen TODAY.
mod6: gernika, shinohai, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, hanbot, et. al. ^
ben_vulpes: man fuck weechat's half-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls
phf: you know what has non hasl-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls? erc :]
phf: b-a is ma safe space
ben_vulpes: phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs
ben_vulpes: very distracting when it comes to getting work done.
phf: yeah, i agree actually
☟︎ ben_vulpes: phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the *constant* muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall
phf: i was thinking of maybe disabling all chat notifications.. something i wanted to look into. i spend workweek twitch checking irc
jurov: mod6 looks like it's fixed, my test email went through.... check whether your email was queued
jurov: whether it needs to be resent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057339 = 15.6249 BTC [+]
mod6: jurov: ok thanks, i'll hvae to resend later.
jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
☟︎ pete_dushenski: mod6: what are the differences between 99995 and 99996_2 ?
mod6: it's in the email that was snarffed.
mod6: but, instead, I'll just give you some links that outline the changes in the beta emails
pete_dushenski goes to blackhole in outer space where snarfs live to read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00056927 = 52.8283 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: pete_dushenski: if you want an actual vdiff of the changes, refer to BETA 4 email, the latest is contained.
mod6: 99996_2 is not a V release -- it is a 'build-bitcoind' script version.
mod6: and the difference between 99996_2 and 99995 build scripts is nothing more than updating the SHA512 for V-20160220.tar.gz and the name of the tarball.
mod6: but yah, anyway, the differences between V [v99996] and [v99995] are outlined in the above emails, and ya, the last one [beta 4] has a complete vdiff between the too.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:15; jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 23:22:01; mod6: oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch
jurov: mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i agree. but user can 'read tin' on which there is a label, or just check 'patches' folder once built
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54837 @ 0.00057339 = 31.443 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:39:11; jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 02:06:58; mircea_popescu: trust people, not code.
phf: i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability..
http://btcbase.org/upload phf: oh shit, scratch that, i just checked the code it's not actually saving it anywhere :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056711 = 34.6504 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: pressing to a head should simply recurse to the root of that head
jurov: asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?
ben_vulpes: ugh mod6 does this thing actually kill my terminal session when it dies?
phf: have a list of patches that are to be pressed made manually?
phf: therein lies the joke
ben_vulpes: french toast is what shall be delivered, bbl
ben_vulpes: mod6: script does not work for me, complains about mismatched hashes
phf: mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70582 @ 0.00057339 = 40.471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00057355 = 13.5272 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 10280.57093863 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.85, vol: 9604.34192 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.5, vol: 42088.37363383 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 3.10639532 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 449.785266, vol: 60682.98270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.38, vol: 1025.55959755 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 440.855667, vol: 92.03321959 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ^ Spread is suspicously tight. Where did the China premium go?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00057325 = 23.5606 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
☟︎ ben_vulpes: previous hash mismatches appear to be something wacky with this gentoo vm on my macbook
ben_vulpes: going to have fun running that the fuck down.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54769 @ 0.00056887 = 31.1564 BTC [-]
phf: favorite gpgme error, "err-no-error"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: do you have buildroot dood's dsa sig in your gpg keyring ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:38; assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:08; phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@uclibc.org>" imported
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'd expect an entirely different error should that have been the case
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19472 @ 0.00056897 = 11.079 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: that's right, that part of the build scripts runs with the user gpg keychain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0005686 = 25.9282 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 17:56:45; punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00056646 = 52.5108 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:04:49; ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no i did not go into each idiocy in depth
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:22:54; phf: yeah, i agree actually
mod6: ok did a build on my gentoo with 'build-bitcoind-V99995.sh' and looks fine: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4889056 Feb 20 21:24 bitcoind
mod6: ben_vulpes, shinohai, jurov
mod6: let's get some pastes and see what's goin on here.
mod6: <+phf> mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain? << not until i finally get this thing working.
mod6: ben_vulpes: are you saying that it doesn't work? or that it was just that you didn't have whatever rando guys' key in your keyring?
ben_vulpes: no, just that i keep seeing that error.
ben_vulpes: and that i suspect gpg means to convey that it is not actually checking the sig.
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok. lemme check on mine.
mod6: ugh. im so tired of this fucking shit.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into
ben_vulpes: i suspect it has to do with mounting a filesystem into a vm
mod6: mine doesn't do that at all.
ben_vulpes: blows up on the .gitignore which iirc is an empty file
mod6: i have not seen that in the MONTH of testing that i've been doing.
ben_vulpes: mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think
mod6: shinohai: you saw something similar too right?
mod6: i hate computers. yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99316 @ 0.00057126 = 56.7353 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: these godddam fucking cocksuckers are going to give ole mod6 a heart attack.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio my turn on your turn is live. thanks for the assist :)
jurov: let's come play eulora instead and watch few bitcents of stuff go *poof* !
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist." << create your .wot in the same dir that you place the build script, create a log of your findings, and see what happens plz.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified. << ok but how should this work
ben_vulpes: mod6: see the rest of the thread. provide an explicit list of leaves to press.
jurov: mod6 did "cp -rp ~/.wot ." , same result
mod6: this is too much work for one guy.
jurov: it insists on having .wot in /
mod6: we need someone to maintain a V that makes sense.
mod6: jurov: the changes to V look for .wot and .seals in the pwd.
jurov: mircea_popescu: why are you telling me that?
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!
jurov: mod6 see the paste - no it is not.
mod6: why in the world do I work on shit for a month, post betas all the way, and then we hit these issues now?
pete_dushenski: mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)
mod6: ok, so first, get rid of this crud
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's seriously how it happens. same thing with eulora and everything else.
mod6: then place .wot in "/data/juro/btc/V99995"
mod6: if it is, then there might be some sort of issue. i'll have to dig in to that. can you try maybe just clearing everything and trying again?
shinohai: mod6 the .gitignore comes from not removing the old directory
mod6: please start clean on this.
jurov: mod6 i have somalian locales, but with or without them it's the same result
mod6: new build dir, the whole 9
jurov: cleaned up eveything, there is now only .wot and build-bitcoind-V99995.sh, same result
shinohai: if you have a rotor dir and try to run script it fails.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:03:57; asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:06; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
ben_vulpes: mod6: testing cycle in #b-a is slow as sin
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?
mod6: ben_vulpes: yah, and when you're testing in production, this can't be a thing.
mod6: this is the worst of all worlds.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:06:20; asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: only if "actual test cycles" only means "#b-a test cycles"
mircea_popescu: mod6 im telling you , dunno if you read that log or not : you need a separate testing genesis.
mod6: until we finally get a test branch and so on and so forth, this stuff has to be ~perfect~ or we've got zip
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 05:22:12; mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not a list of patches a list of *leaves*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no fucking list of anything. genesis item and wot.
ben_vulpes: "i want everything necessary for malleus and db locks"
phf: asciilifeform said that
ben_vulpes: what one might say to a V implementation.
mircea_popescu: the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
ben_vulpes: unless you expect it to be only and ever a release tool and not a tool for people actually working on the thing to use in their workflow.
mircea_popescu: it seems somewhat improbable that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.
ben_vulpes: you - want to sink nails. i want to pull them out occasionally.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i am laboring under the misapprehension that v should be useful for something other than putting software on mircea_popescu's box
mircea_popescu: should bitcoin also be useful for something more other than ~dependably~ keeping track of moneyz ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps... to help african children ? or other groups dear to our hearts ?
ben_vulpes: *i* want to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.
ben_vulpes: you will get a release patch and you will press to it. there is your hammer.
ben_vulpes: there is the "bitcoin as these gentlemen"
mircea_popescu: i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the idea is exctly NOT to have coder comfort and sanity at the expense of "this is the user's script"
mod6: im not sure why yours is saying that.
jurov: mod6 `pwd` returns nothing on my machine /o\
mod6: then your machine is hosed.
ben_vulpes: how is this "user's script" not precisely the windows release?
mod6: ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.
mircea_popescu realises that the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.
ben_vulpes: try like i'm five, the windows comparison is shorting me out
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.
mircea_popescu: let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?
mircea_popescu: which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
ben_vulpes: so bear with me: how is 'v' not groupthink incarnate?
ben_vulpes is hit by a particularly unpleasant revelatory wave
mircea_popescu: hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be
mircea_popescu: ie, it's easy to pick on alf about his enamourement with the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.
mircea_popescu: and subtle - which is to say just subtle enough to avoid detection by the head it sits in.
ben_vulpes: i should simply expect misery from you every time i bring up the topic of how a v might work then?
mircea_popescu: in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.
mircea_popescu: mno, ideally we'll discuss this to the point we are happily getting it
mircea_popescu: but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.
ben_vulpes fully adrift now, without even a sun to tell east from west
ben_vulpes: the turning of a compiler which should simply ingest code and shit elfs into a developer-centric tool?
mircea_popescu: mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.
mircea_popescu: i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
ben_vulpes: i am not well versed enough in the history of gcc and llvm to understand this.
mircea_popescu: do understand that it is simply not acceptable in new things.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"
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mod6: I'm gonna eat something, probably overly hangry here.
mod6: if you encounter any issues, let's do what jurov did and dpaste 'em, we'll get through this one step at a time tonight.
mircea_popescu: you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not the end of the world.
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu. I'm doing my best -- I need to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence the self-imposed deadline here.
mircea_popescu: yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you to live longer than the road there.
mod6: Thanks for everyone taking the time, I know it's not pain-free with some of this stuff yet.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:44; asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous.
ben_vulpes: thanks mod6, no need to kill yourself driving at 90mph
mircea_popescu: actually ben_vulpes it occurs to me, maybe the following description of final state is helpful :
ben_vulpes: i'm still trying to cook up a syllogism over here
mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
☟︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68650 @ 0.00056839 = 39.02 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he decides he wants to add three lines of code to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write those lines of code, sign them, add his own sig in the wot and voila.
mircea_popescu: the girl, upon visiting, notices this, likes the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.
mircea_popescu: depends how good the fucking was. a) is more discrete.
mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs that.
mircea_popescu: CONTRARY to this sane process, in the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,
mircea_popescu: guy tries to find the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit, then tries to make friends with the people and put his fucking code in, to FORCE it upon the fucking userbase.
mircea_popescu: now : list of nodes necessarily maintains some sort of portion of alt-universe.
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mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: strictly a release tool for the free world, then.
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mircea_popescu: it hastabe. there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish, to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line
mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i think that i understand the windows comment now
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer
jurov: mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails to verify against 59C36319
jurov: which is Peter Korsgaard uclibc pubkey
jurov: when i imported it into my gpg keyring and reran, it goes
ben_vulpes: jurov: yes, this script uses the user keyring
phf: "i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in the year of our republic 1932, having devoted three months to the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down to transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: laugh if you will, laugh if you must, do what must be done and not an iota less.
mircea_popescu: the zombie world entirely exists out of that iota less.
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mircea_popescu: alrighty then, for the n-th fucking time, this blabla.
mircea_popescu: Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter Todd, Kang Xie,
mircea_popescu: Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are to be negrated on sight.
mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: EMBARGO! which spelled backwards is O GRAB ME
mircea_popescu: no idea who the fuck uses any of that crap anyway, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.
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mircea_popescu: !rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
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assbot: You rated user petertodd on 01-May-2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: the gift cert expert..
mircea_popescu: !rate petertodd -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
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assbot: You have not rated pgp.
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mircea_popescu: "Bobby Lee (n. San Diego, California, 17 de septiembre de 1972), es un actor y comediante estadounidense". mkay.
jurov: mod6 it did compiled!
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: "Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork."
https://archive.is/u1Dv9 mircea_popescu: obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got to lose ? costs 0 for him.
mircea_popescu: ~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
mircea_popescu: the costs go to the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit, that's the fucking point of advertising to consumers.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
mircea_popescu: as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
mircea_popescu: eventually you'll have gossipd and will want gossipd-based networking
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:26:08; mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
ben_vulpes: wow and world trade financial group is no longer even a thing
mircea_popescu: "nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"
mircea_popescu: if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
mircea_popescu: discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
phf: ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?
mircea_popescu: in other worlds - different bitcoin entirely runs, or same runs under different name or w/e.
phf: ah, word. the juxtaposition of ascii's comment about central repo..
mircea_popescu: the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"
ben_vulpes: "Phil Potter \n Chief Strategy Officer \n Bitfinex"
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
mircea_popescu: fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.
mircea_popescu: this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
ben_vulpes: but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times
mircea_popescu: and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
mircea_popescu: rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
mircea_popescu: it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
mircea_popescu: good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.