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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform what makes you think anyone is arhentina is buying cnc machinery ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47467 @ 0.00049558 = 23.5237 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292987 << makes sense. look at the size of those dividends. cripes. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 19:36:34; mircea_popescu: <Naphex> https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
pete_dushenski: impressive work, Naphex !
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i do not know who is buying. but someone is selling...
asciilifeform: uploading photos i snapped personally
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/dUMl6 << just for pete_dushenski
assbot: cnc in buenos aires - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5l2lV )
asciilifeform: both cnc and traditional mills, lathes, in a little shop.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was standing right next to me when i saw this.
asciilifeform: (and iirc he, unlike i, had even been inside at one time)
pete_dushenski: perhaps the number of cnc machines for sale in buenos aires is indicative of the lack of thinking folks there ?
asciilifeform: ..?
asciilifeform does not follow the syllogism
pete_dushenski: that they're still for sale.
pete_dushenski: and not in someone's shop or home laboratory
asciilifeform: unless the whole thing is a front, someone is buying
BingoBoingo: http://38.media.tumblr.com/35e1b1e12513589ed42d9ffafcef809e/tumblr_inline_mssdnoHyyg1qz4rgp.gif
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform because why ? like arhentina has an economy or something ?
pete_dushenski: sounds to me like it's 100% posturing that no estan pobres
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: presumably the shop keeper pays rent
asciilifeform: with... money
pete_dushenski: and he draws in customers into his store with cnc machines in the front window
asciilifeform: and what, cuts them up for organs ?
pete_dushenski: like putting a bugatti veyron in the window of sachs fifth avenue
pete_dushenski: no one buys, many coo and gawk and maybe even walk in to buy some perfume
asciilifeform: perfume?!
asciilifeform: i saw a drum of cutting lube
pete_dushenski: at sachs, yes.
asciilifeform: i suppose for some - perfume.
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: not much for shopping are ya ?
asciilifeform: i usually get things mailed in
pete_dushenski: i guess without ebay and paypal you'd be swimming in dough
asciilifeform: but once in a while i go to a shop.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> no one buys, many coo and gawk and maybe even walk in to buy some perfume << TrueFax, brother and his wife got their newest corgi AT A DISCOUNT because it had the "fluffy" mutation
pete_dushenski: fluffy corgi ? got a pic ?
asciilifeform: most recently, went into one that had gps-guided gigantic quadrocopters for sale. at ~1300 usd a pop, even. funnily, they sell. and idiots fly them into various 'forbidden zones' like whitehouse, etc.
asciilifeform: (the costly machines fly themselves, luser points and grunts on his ipNohe to give coordinates)
asciilifeform: (for anyone unfamiliar with the subject - serious multicopter aficionados sneer at luserdom, and build strictly from parts)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22759 @ 0.00049346 = 11.2307 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: hell, copter's cheaper than ipNohe (top end)
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> fluffy corgi ? got a pic ? << Challenge because of few good options to move pics from turdopnoHe to Interwebs since Imgur app went retarded
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wai wut?!
asciilifeform: which pnohe costs >1300 usd ?
pete_dushenski: the top end one.
pete_dushenski: ah, maybe cad...
mircea_popescu: also http://40.media.tumblr.com/16986e3f1aecae232080886cabe25214/tumblr_ni8rodg7Ww1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc8h2c )
pete_dushenski: bit of a ding on cad/usd of late.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293103 << been going for like... 2 days ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-10-2015#1291963 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 20:52:06; BingoBoingo: So malleability thing going now, excepting retards that do the 0-conf depend on txid... pretty much a mempool bloater
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 05:59:13; assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 17:49:14; mircea_popescu: check out bizarro tx rewriting. i issued fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 which worked as expected, but apparently there's a 5269a0e862876040db21706a7849ffd1b7d63e72d6dd61b1d2431a51698bb007 restatement of it
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: current quote is ~1k usd for the fattest one from apple
asciilifeform: go, buy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A bit longer http://qntra.net/2015/10/malleability-issues-continue-testing-zero-conf-faithful/
assbot: Malleability Issues Continue Testing Zero-conf Faithful | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc8mmp )
mircea_popescu: right
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform plus extended warranty plus dock plus case plus plus plus. this is all sop.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293111 << say wut alf ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 21:01:44; ascii_field: ^ in case anyone did not understand that 'voice command' is asinine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try walking into a room of gadget collectors, and say 'OK google, delete all...'
BingoBoingo: Not much longer, but long enough for Derpanies to latch onto Derp hosted wallet's engineering error to make excuses for themselves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then watch their faces
mircea_popescu: !up iinaj
asciilifeform: (i do not know in which languages this feature works today, but english world is awash in it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform must be they put something in my coffee. wut ?!
mircea_popescu: voicecommand as in, !v ? and google delete what ? items ?
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: link concerned an article regarding voice-controlled gadgets
mircea_popescu: oh oh
asciilifeform: which can be, it turns out, 'commanded' remotely via strategically-shaped radio signal - which gets heterodyned in the headphones
mircea_popescu: yeah i totally wanna see 6 axis 1mw robot arms controlled by voice.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform plus extended warranty plus dock plus case plus plus plus. this is all sop. << No one I know with iPNohes paid for them, teh_ girlfriendz (or their dads did
asciilifeform: (typically it is a pNohe)
mircea_popescu: "i didn't say pound me into pate, i said bring tea to pete!"
pete_dushenski: egyptian licorice tea, if you please
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: normally in usa the telco pays (in exchange for an indenture lock-in chumping)
mircea_popescu: they DO have various girl submission devices that are intended to be phone controlled.
mircea_popescu: butterflies and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not anymore, financing plan is new SOP
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with 'bluetooth' receivers even.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think this was in the log
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rental thing
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo in usistan, home of the brave leasees, only
asciilifeform: (why? i've no idea)
asciilifeform: who rents a $1k gadget ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not rental, as of earlier this year loan, just like for car
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293144 << i dunno about that, guy's already king of a vast domain. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 21:47:00; ascii_field: mod6: you may end up, like it or not, king of 'v' ! see latest s.nsa broadcast.
mircea_popescu: more kings needed.
asciilifeform: i mean, i'd rent an excavator, say, if i only wanted it for a day
asciilifeform: but rent phone ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do i need to link you to the article delineating fucking organizers bought on time ?
asciilifeform: throwback to pre-at&t breakup..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was in egypt iirc ?
mircea_popescu: buenos aires, same thing.
asciilifeform: i suppose gringolandia is now a kind of egyptertina
mircea_popescu: it's actually remarkably close to where egypt was, pre us/saudi split and the entire nonsense since 2000s.
asciilifeform: (phun phakt: lucent corp. still brings in $20M/yr or so... renting out rotary phones. caveat is that this figure is a few yrs old, and a substantial number of the chumps are likely to have succumbed to old age since it was last published) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cairo, 50% of population, ba 50% of population. nonsensical govt, nonsensical govt ; very mentally stunted population that excels at menial, labour intensive tasks ; overblown palace bureaucracy, the entire works.
mircea_popescu: only difference is the egyptian chicks fuck more intensively while the argentines look better. but...\
asciilifeform: as in all orcish lands ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. ukrs nothing like that.
asciilifeform: ~which~ ukrs ?
asciilifeform: (true ukrs, or east ?)
mircea_popescu: true ukrs
asciilifeform knows these folks largely secondhand
mircea_popescu: it's "colonies where the indigents weren't massacred". mexico, egypt, you name it.
mircea_popescu: heck, even china, at leastoriginally.
asciilifeform: india
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: imgur.com/sG5TJMb << New one is one the left, smaller dog 14 weeks of age
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you clink it. has a very speciffic sound.
asciilifeform: incidentally (and if ben_vulpes were awake he might explain) lead is often added to other substances, not only glass, to ease machining
mircea_popescu: certainly leaded glass is a better blow.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'free machining steel' used by prototype makers is often leaded
asciilifeform: better ~cut~
mircea_popescu: that also.
asciilifeform: (that was the original point of throwing in the pb)
asciilifeform: it is a lubricant.
mircea_popescu: i thought much better friability.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/sWn4jBs << More detail
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo dog's as fluffy as the rug. thankfully, not as green.
mircea_popescu: was the original point
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Indeed
asciilifeform: dogue!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha. neat !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293212 <<< yeah. somebody looking for a clothes hanger. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 23:57:38; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i still think there are thinking folks hidden deep in b-a. ~somebody~ is buying that cnc machinery.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293217 << i fucking love tower defense. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 23:59:24; cazalla: pete_dushenski, that became an ios game at the tail end of its lifetime
asciilifeform: and this is where we learn that mircea_popescu cnc-machines his hangers from beryllium copper
mircea_popescu: in fact, i intend to have a td minigame added as an eulora activity eventually.
BingoBoingo will try to bring better, actual camera next time. Smaller Dog's name is Beans. The larger dog is Frank. Both have short legs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one's gotta do what one's gotta do when running out of perky nips.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in fact, i intend to have a td minigame added as an eulora activity eventually. << Before or after Lich's are implemented as a thing to become
mircea_popescu: prolly before.
BingoBoingo: But then who holds the towers?
mod6: asciilifeform: ya, you were right... got nice looking option control now with only @ARGV. not sure what my malfunction was before.
asciilifeform: neato mod6 !
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a minigame see. something like, you build the case for it, place it in the world, then people use it like a sort of arcade. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: and you make money from it, and so on.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293310 << my point was that i no longer see a point in maintaining my original 'v' - mod6 has a considerably spiffier one, which ought to be the flagship ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:22:14; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293144 << i dunno about that, guy's already king of a vast domain.
asciilifeform: mine was more of a proof of concept / motorized spec
mircea_popescu: yes, he's competent. there is however such a thing as competence choking.
mircea_popescu: it even has king in it
asciilifeform: wai wut
mircea_popescu: you know, when the best looking guy ends up with all the women.
mircea_popescu: very little fucking and even less conceiving is done as a result.
asciilifeform: hey it works for walrus
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: anyway, i'm kinda trying to de-walrus self, by pawning chore onto other fellas
asciilifeform: and it is working!
mircea_popescu: hehe. cool, but i also want total walrus factor to go down!
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293363 << like in spelunx ! (mega-classic) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:35:19; mircea_popescu: nah, it's a minigame see. something like, you build the case for it, place it in the world, then people use it like a sort of arcade.
asciilifeform: now all i need is for somebody to take mapTransactions / CTransaction from me...
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqNJCgnohWE << these sounds bring back memories.
assbot: Spelunx and the Caves of Mr. Seudo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5ndG6 )
mircea_popescu: i also want soul hunter thing as a minigame, and a genetics thing, and a few others. the minigame portion of eulora is gonna be pretty spiffy, really. huge gameplay thing, but i don't really see it happening before 2017..
asciilifeform: no need for book learnin' - just read the src 'for six months'
pete_dushenski: tuesday night : time to go sing my little heart out. cheers !
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, what tower defense did you play? I know of it from starcraft
mircea_popescu: oh tons. iirc there's even an article
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:trilema.com+tower+defense&complete=0&ncr=1 << five or so as it turns out
assbot: site:trilema.com tower defense - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5npVC )
asciilifeform: re: gamez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1f3gYeiHBQ << apparently this exists.
assbot: Prison Architect v1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5nvNe )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> anyway, i'm kinda trying to de-walrus self, by pawning chore onto other fellas << Qntra struggles with this if any lurkers want a chance to get work done in #b-a wotlandia
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-DOViwa-q4 << moar
assbot: Prison Architect Alpha 36 - the FINAL ALPHA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5nBUY )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00049346 = 6.0202 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'Two people died on the first day of my prison. The solitary was always full, most prisoners were shackled in their cells and a weeaboo legendary prisoner kept breaking out and killing my guards.. On the fourth day, said weeaboo broke through a double-layer solitary cell and stole a shotgun from an armoury. He lit the prison on fire and escaped. That's what I call a good prison.' << l0l
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re7ev-hQ8c0
assbot: Prison Architect - One man micro-prison - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5nI2Y )
asciilifeform distinctly recalls 'sim-auschwitz' from 1990s, there were scandalous wanks in american media about it, but this is something new
danielpbarron: that steampunk thing doesn't look like what I have played. To me, "tower defence" means building a maze of turrets to control the flow of progressively beefier monsters, the goal being to kill them all before the get through
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19033 @ 0.00049346 = 9.392 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: quite, yes.
mircea_popescu: that's what it means in general.
asciilifeform: the 'prison' thing is also a tower defense
asciilifeform: but, lulzily, from... inside
mircea_popescu: lol
danielpbarron: warcraft3 had a neat variation, "island defence," in which there is one monster and he is controlled by a human player, and joined by defeated defenders
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://trilema.com/paid-content/2010/azgardtd.swf << can try that one mebbe. i never managed to get past l ~50 or so.
assbot: Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5o9Kv )
mircea_popescu: awshit.
mircea_popescu: ;;google azgard tower defense
asciilifeform: l0l swf
gribble: Azgard Tower Defense - Free online games at Agame.com: <http://www.agame.com/game/azgard-tower-defense>; Azgard Tower Defense Game Online - Best Flash Games: <http://www.best-flash-games.net/strategy-games/azgard-tower-defense.html>; Azgard Defence @ Play Tower Defense Games: <http://www.playtowerdefensegames.com/games/918/azgard-defence.html>
danielpbarron: if eulora's to have minigames like TD, I recommend Dota
mircea_popescu: that's a DIFFERENT thing.
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/10/vessenes-foundation-drops-sponsorship-of-node-explorer/#comment-63937 << l0l!
assbot: Vessenes' Foundation Drops Sponsorship of Node Explorer | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KX2xSS )
asciilifeform: but is this 'shakespeare, or another man by that name' ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Appears to credibly be that man to the point it can be verified without strong signatures
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39456 @ 0.00048869 = 19.2818 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-september-2015-statement/
mircea_popescu: "While the press support and relationships established can benefit your game, a lot of companies have “won” E3 and vanished shortly thereafter."
mircea_popescu: and by a lot we mean to say.... pretty much all.
mircea_popescu: heck, bitpay won the what was it, indy race ?
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Federal Reserve will raise federal funds rate October FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1201/federal-reserve-will-raise-federal-funds-rate-october/#b13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00048711 = 19.2896 BTC [-] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Fiat Broker Broker Scottrade Hacked - http://qntra.net/2015/10/fiat-broker-broker-scottrade-hacked/
mike_c: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the graph is likely just cached in your browser. press f5.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ^ Fiat GLBSE got Owned apparently
mike_c: and yes, i could put a cache buster on that.. i'll put it on the todo
BingoBoingo: What if on my machine F5 doesn't mean "reload" but instead "re-load"
mircea_popescu: that's a decent amount of broker.
mircea_popescu: mike_c prolly just set the ttl on the pic
mircea_popescu: Information publicly disclosed on the Scottrade breech << lulzy, but breach.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, again
BingoBoingo: Fxd
phf: asciilifeform: now all i need is for somebody to take mapTransactions / CTransaction from me... << i started investigating the issue a while ago, but dropped it since wasn't sure if it was the highest priority. i've been traveling, but i'll get back to it. i don't see any reason it can't be resolved. i'm not claiming territory, but unless someone more compotent decides to take over you can consider me
phf: responsible for the issue.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293308 <<< rent to buy ipad scam is popular here ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:21:52; asciilifeform: who rents a $1k gadget ?
cazalla: https://www.radio-rentals.com.au/apple/ipad
assbot: IPad Rental | Rent to Own | Radio Rentals ... ( http://bit.ly/1j65qab )
mircea_popescu: phf this is a non-competence blocking issue. it doesn't matter how competent or credentialed you are,code in question will be reviewed anyway.
cazalla: even comes with free installation https://www.radio-rentals.com.au/apple/iphone/apple-iphone-5-16gb
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BingoBoingo: phf: Pls take it. I've been waiting to fuck something of this sort on my 0.7-ish tree. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in general, two types of problems. 1. "build me a bridge" ; 2. "find me the leak". 1 is blocking, but 2 isn't - if a baby goat finds the leak the leak's just as found as if jesus had found it. ☟︎
BingoBoingo hates C the more I play with TI-92
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293321 <<< i use to work for main telco doing cust service.. not uncommon to find little old lady with 2 or 3 rotary phone rentals attached to account for years on end.. sometimes little old ladies had wireless, cable and dsl connections because some indian fuck sold her on the idea so he could get the commission ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:24:22; asciilifeform: (phun phakt: lucent corp. still brings in $20M/yr or so... renting out rotary phones. caveat is that this figure is a few yrs old, and a substantial number of the chumps are likely to have succumbed to old age since it was last published)
thestringpuller: the TI-92 uses C?
BingoBoingo: TI-92 is the Corgi/Manul/PampasCat of the computing world. The more you play with it, the less you can stand other...
phf: aight
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You can program in TI-BASIC shit or ASM. Sure, you can compile ASM from C, but might as well derpot in basic then.
BingoBoingo: Also far more fun than real macs and the TI-89 because useful default software and full keyboard.
BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ << No longer Favorite.
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BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ << By BitBet Rubio clearly the Repube nominee
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BingoBoingo: No longer Jeb and Rubio as co-favorites. Rubio is now clear nominee.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Or should I stahp keeping a consistent BitBet payout address because my latest experiment in that scares people https://bitbet.us/stats/14BqjpHAeM2EC6aJkrzM7cbTeePQCJJs5C/
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BingoBoingo: Seriously though, even when not loading weird on it TI-92 is a great desk calculator.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw << ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> asciilifeform: https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw << NO thestringpuller. Better avanues for diddling exist
assbot: hmlb/phpunit-vw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1j67cbs )
BingoBoingo proposes Illinois emissions test challenge. Illinois emissions test depends entirely on OBD-II output. Make a vehicle pass while plainly emitting clouds of soot.
mircea_popescu: if anyone's sickly curious, here's a rather typical ro court proceeding : http://infodosar.ro/d.php?dosar=4089/105/2015&submit=Cauta
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BingoBoingo: In other news I had a jury duty summons this week. Passed over every day. Today was told my service is complete.
mircea_popescu: guy was trading pot, had 5 grams + ~1k$ confiscated, 2 years in prison for trading, 6 months for possession, suspended sentence.
mircea_popescu: more interestingly, whole shebang's online.
BingoBoingo: Fiatlandia is getting desperate. Making examples and skipping over "burn it all" weirdos.
thestringpuller: 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 2 years was for dealing.
mircea_popescu: 6 months.
thestringpuller: WID charge here is like 10 years min
mircea_popescu: but anyway, first offense, so he serves no jail time. has to show up monthly to probation officer.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck. << Illinois would plea that out
mircea_popescu: romania does not admit plea bargains.
mircea_popescu: in fact, romania disbars das if shown they tried to taint the trial, which is what plea bargain would be in sane places.
BingoBoingo: Acquaintance who FUCKING ROBBED A BANK will prolly finish probation before I even get an evidentiary hearing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's the importance of massmarket for you. he did something that's mainstream
mircea_popescu: not weird fucking offences that scarcely even exist.
BingoBoingo: Sure his parole should be revoked for his latest incident of IDENTITY FUCKING THEFT, but
mircea_popescu: can you even get pot in smaller chunks than 5 grams ?
mircea_popescu: sixth of a fucking ounce ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways aparently in the USistan no matter where you are, if your parents ahve affairs with the right other people's parents...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sixth of a fucking ounce ? << yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> can you even get pot in smaller chunks than 5 grams ? << In a collegiate environment last I heard people traded pot in single grams if it did not smell of dogshit.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the high schoolers usually buy per joint cause they don't know any better
thestringpuller: unless they are super rich kids and parents do drugs /w kids etc.
BingoBoingo: Sure people preferred trading bigger.
BingoBoingo: Trading smaller was a sure sign of a bust though.
thestringpuller: ANything over an ounce here (Georgia) is a felony.
BingoBoingo: Trying to force small trades was how people politely let everyone else know they were compelled to turn state's witness
thestringpuller: ^- Or the sign of a d00d just trying to smoke for free.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I thought bank robbery was an instafelony too. How does one get probation fro that? Returned the money?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family.
BingoBoingo remembers this time back in undergrad at McKendree where in his freshman year this M named chick got busted for peddling weed to this Jim Chronister motherfucker (actual name because informants suck). Turn out Jim Chronister made a deal with the local 5-0. People assumed on campus I smoked weed so he tried to buy from me. Given his reputation I sold Jim the finest handrolled cigarettes filled with great Turkish rolling tobac
BingoBoingo: Jimmy boy was pissed, but then I informed him the "weed" in his spliffs was literal shit.
BingoBoingo: Jimmy boy was really pissed.
phf: selling jenkem i see, that's 5 to 10
BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Moral of the story, On 'Murican campuses if at all possible you make friends with the foozball team.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293448 << here i must disappoint BingoBoingo. iirc the mechanism was changed, cardinally, in 0.7 and up. any work concerning leakage, involving these ancient abominations is inapplicable to therealbitcoin. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:37:25; BingoBoingo: phf: Pls take it. I've been waiting to fuck something of this sort on my 0.7-ish tree.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293449 << we actually have a 'type 1' problem here. i already found the leak. (it consists, roughly, of the vessel having no bottom to speak of!) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:38:05; mircea_popescu: and in general, two types of problems. 1. "build me a bridge" ; 2. "find me the leak". 1 is blocking, but 2 isn't - if a baby goat finds the leak the leak's just as found as if jesus had found it.
asciilifeform: what remains is to build the vessel a bottom...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as I know parts were changed, but I suck at CplusCock+ so I have to assume improvements would be open to trial.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the particular moving part in question was replaced by something unlike.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293467 << wat ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:46:45; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw <<
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Many things patched in 0.5.4 candidate were patched by unlike yet have adaptable fixes. Waiting on that plug to be patched before publishing next 0.7.x bastardo codebase
asciilifeform is innocent of php. and of unit tests..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is a reason i gave up on backports. but i suppose you will discover it by yourself.
BingoBoingo ignorant of machine. Only understands patches by forcing them on to wildly differing codebases like 0.7-ish
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Backports suck.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I like the work
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293477 <-- i know of no better example of worldwide bowing to empire than adoption of dupont's great solution to the "hemp problem" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:54:45; thestringpuller: 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck.
asciilifeform: yes, but it is not clear to me, from here, what BingoBoingo thinks he is learning from 0.7...
BingoBoingo: The orphanage twins were great exercise
phf: asciilifeform: your original analysis was that std::array (or was it boost) failed to release memory when prompted. seems like can either figure out how to prompt it harder, or substitute a structure. my other guess is that refs to same transactions are kept elsewhere, so are not actually release on clear, i haven't investigated that option yet though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: C-ish language is being learned, I think. If not that surely something else
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: which is why i say to mircea_popescu, 'usg is dead when you can tell me what country to visit where cocaine is sold next to soap for a penny a pound'
asciilifeform: phf: substantially trickier
funkenstein_: booyeah I like that
asciilifeform: phf: i can force it just fine. this leads to immediate segfault because all kinds of structures continue to refer to the tx.
phf: asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: you will end up substituting virtually everything. which is what the phoundation folks did.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 0.7-ish codebase radically different from 0.5-ish. It isn't until 0.8's pretend BDB abandonment that things get alien
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, nobody sane sells drugs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody sane sells soda pop either
asciilifeform: it is a barometer.
asciilifeform: i do not actually ~need the dope personally~
asciilifeform: it's just this device that tells me that usg is still alive and strong.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family. <<< what the fuck, hamplanet robbery ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it's just this device that tells me that usg is still alive and strong. << USSRia hates Drugs too
mircea_popescu: what was his getaway car, the arianne ?
phf: asciilifeform: so you're saying a rewrite of the whole chunk is required? also do you think a careful inventory of references with cleanup of corresponding tree a doable approach?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what was his getaway car, the arianne ? << Chrysler PT Cruiser his girlfriend owned (yes owned, evidence)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: today. largely because dope (and the only dope that ever really caught on in su was meth & heroin) is seen as a popcontrol weapon of the west
asciilifeform: phf: a rewrite of the whole thing is required. and was, from day 1. and this is where we get to the boojum - apparently nobody wants this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't sell cocaine either, at any rate not differently freom how it's done now, at which point you'd saysomething liek "mp is nao usg" and i'd hit you in the head with a six kg single crystal metaphetamine hammer.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family. <<< what the fuck, hamplanet robbery ? (We joked before he ran away to Chicago that he robbed the bank with a sandwich, but no. Small town bank with limited highways)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'not sell' != 'shoot people for selling'
mircea_popescu: depends on the people.
mircea_popescu: as always with th eshooting.
asciilifeform: 'shoot people for being asshats' is one thing
mircea_popescu: some people i'd shoot for crossing the street.
asciilifeform: 'war on substances' - other
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: 'where they cut off your lips if they don't like your smile....!' (tm) (r) (disney)
BingoBoingo has always like weirdo idea of selling cocaine chewing gum
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, coca is own chewing gum..
trinque: I don't really see much difference between that one and caffeine
funkenstein_: you can get benzocaine gum, basically the same thing
asciilifeform: ick
mircea_popescu: cocaine is supposed to be this rite of passage for the more fit teenaged girl,
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But that is leaf amenable to further processing. Best lock the active into another wax for the posturing.
mircea_popescu: elope, snort, do other things of the sort.
trinque: it's quite popular in pdx
phf: i heard it's a hell of a drug
asciilifeform: thing is, dope in usg (and 'international treaties' as they presently exist are ~pure~ usgtronics) is not about dope, but about empire. if tomorrow no one wanted to snort coke, something else (can you say warez?) takes its place as excuse to feed standing army of stormtroopers
BingoBoingo: Cocaine's great hazard is not in itself. It is in people feel cheated, violence cycle.
funkenstein_: might be compared to the debeers empire as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc you wanted ppl to check and confirm.
trinque: I think the addictive aspects of cocaine vary wildly person to person
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ fwiw, pot was A LOT more illegal in romania back when it was an "unalligned nation"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as a start
mircea_popescu: also pot is not quite hemp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who smoked pot when ro was 'unaligned' ?
funkenstein_: was this before the dupont campaign?
asciilifeform: it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, dope conventionslong predate usg.
mircea_popescu: trinque cocaine is not addictive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. usg did not build on empty space
trinque: mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to me that it is
trinque: always wondered wtf people meant in re: that
asciilifeform: but the uniform prohibition on every conceivable thing that diddles neurons, ~is~ an organized usgism
funkenstein_: stuff goes for a few bucks a gram in colombia ascii.. and considered standard fare for teenage kids by conservative parents
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: who smoked pot when ro was 'unaligned' ? << literally nobody. cops had no fucking idea what it smelled like, even. i don't mean "some". i mean you couldn't find a beat cop that did.
asciilifeform: so banned because 'wtf, deviant'
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> was this before the dupont campaign? << specific sino-soviet relations point. 70s.
funkenstein_: The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business
mircea_popescu: no, banned because it negatively affects school performance.
mircea_popescu: which it does, and which romania is still in a position to very acutely measure.
phf: trinque: "psychological addiction" i.e. combination of poor impulse control and boredom, that turns into compulsive behavior
funkenstein_: meanwhile other parties pursued a ban on colombian exports and secured the borders as well as supply lines
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf << /me thinks great eventual colonization project would be Coyogi's
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque cocaine is not addictive. << Not even as much as nicotine
mircea_popescu: phf sure. like, you know, vidya.
trinque: BingoBoingo: and hell I quit cigs
phf: completely
mircea_popescu: online pron. political discussions. you name it
trinque: I know a few chicks that have the cocaine "addiction" and they just strike me as weak
trinque: phf: yep
BingoBoingo: <phf> trinque: "psychological addiction" i.e. combination of poor impulse control and boredom, that turns into compulsive behavior << This creates Hamplanets. Exact same feedback loop, but subb McDick's
mircea_popescu: all the "cocaine addicted" chicks i ever knew were in it principally for the cock.
phf: oy true, it's good to have some with you at a stripclub
mircea_popescu: secondarily for the shoes and etc. people who can afford a bowl can usually afford whatever else teen might think she wants.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: and hell I quit cigs << My vague memories of cocain are it feeling good, but not "getting a blowjob" good. Basically a wash
mircea_popescu: it does serve the role of honest signal exceedingly well.
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business << ANd G-13 story involves MK-Ultra
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, well I'm not sure about that but "scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family."
BingoBoingo doubts lizards exist because more drugs would allow more potential lizards to be disqualified from their scales
trinque sheds a single tear for the supreme weed of the pacnw
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ and dja believe that ?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Seriously what the fuck is Dupont compared to Monsanto
funkenstein_: I have seen reason to believe it yes
funkenstein_: show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp
mircea_popescu: how come the hemp industry didn't band together to destroy rayon ?
funkenstein_: you weren't there to lead them
mircea_popescu: i wasn't there to lead the other idiots either.
funkenstein_: somebody pays of a sycophantic congressional body. happens all the time.
mircea_popescu: seems, from a purely theoretical perspective, that if the orcs beat the humans, it's likely the humans sucked in some respect.
funkenstein_: well yeah, i'm not saying hemp businessmen did a great job
mircea_popescu: sure pays off happens. but why did the inferior side prevail ? didn't the better industry have more money ?
BingoBoingo: In other news Gawker Media can't feed their writers without coupons from people the "Oh,So Hate"
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/tpi4a
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BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp << Soy
funkenstein_: the industry with ties to fiat, not the better one, won at that time
trinque: weed and other drugs were much more likely banned because the people (in the US, probably elsewhere) were ignorant and equated altered mental states with tha debil
trinque: and if somebody took advantage of that, sure
funkenstein_: trinque i doubt it. nobody really cares if some people go mess up their minds
funkenstein_: look at tv for example or alcohol
trinque: 1950s american culture was entirely opposed to weird of all kinds
BingoBoingo: Soy won in the US because it actually grows like a weed and it estrogens bind to its proteins emasculating a dependant hog population at the expense of making them... Hammy and Planety
BingoBoingo: Even Ayn Rand ranted about the evils of soy
trinque: maybe she should've tried eating some to feminize herself a bit more
trinque: that face...
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ how did hemp not have ties ?
mircea_popescu: shit, half the fucking thing was making ties.
funkenstein_: good question! it did back in the day.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, ropemaking was THE FIRST industrial process. everywhere.
mircea_popescu: read up on it sometime, it's quite fascinating.
funkenstein_: Jefferson I think thought it would lead the usa to greatness
mircea_popescu: rope factory, first factory, harbringer of industry. so it was.
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Maybe get a time machine and kill Hamilton?
funkenstein_: but facing guys with guns and infinite bankroll, the stuff went to hide for a while
mircea_popescu: trinque the notion that devil ~= altered mental state is older than africa really. it's an universally recognised human truth.
funkenstein_: don't worry it'll still be around when we figure our shit out :)
mircea_popescu: ie, false, but false like a myth.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, the soy because estrogens thing has a much better conspiraci score than the dupont hemp thing.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ the problem you face is explaining why the guys with the lesser bankroll won.
trinque: mircea_popescu: if one's considering rules for the masses, probably better to keep a lid on the stuff
funkenstein_: wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll?
mircea_popescu: yes.
trinque: thouch certain psychedelics would make an excellent filter
mircea_popescu: if it was the lesser industry, it had the lesser bankroll.
funkenstein_: could be, I really don't know
mircea_popescu: this is what lesser means.
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RmTnBubD--/1460904957532672291.jpg
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BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll? << Won on promisatory notes, not completely paid to this day
mircea_popescu: moreover... i seem to recall some bigshot names trying and miserably failing to corner the silver market.
mircea_popescu: so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding.
mircea_popescu: that DIDNT work out.
mircea_popescu: ie, the better industry won that time. obviously you can throw some away because "variance'
mircea_popescu: but still.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding. << ONly happened how many times in actual BTC governance?
mircea_popescu: eh, they can count it later.
mircea_popescu: in other news, do you know where your girlfriend is ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/62d6ff1af0a27d669fb1ee40459a3b37/tumblr_nox7k8dSJw1uo56n1o1_1280.jpg
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BingoBoingo: More pronounced widow's peak and smaller tits, then I might confuse that for a girl I liked in High School
gabriel_laddel: I love how *everyone* either missed or ignored where ascii was taking the "cocaine sales practice as a measure of USG power, whatever its form" thread.
gabriel_laddel: which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so
gabriel_laddel: ...
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-09-2015#1283115 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-09-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so << I dare you to deliver to me a Compact pickup truck in the United States less than 3 years old. The problems are known.
gabriel_laddel: Pardon?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: context was a thread re: organic chem
asciilifeform: and the price of pharma
BingoBoingo: Ah, THought a more general price of anything.
BingoBoingo: I reverted to considering the "chicken tax" where a foreign made Ford Ranger of year old vintage would cost more to sell in USIA than an F-250 Super Duty with the OMGWTFBBQKINGRANCHDRESSING package, because arbitrarity.
gabriel_laddel: I wish the black market folk would get their shit together, start buying spectroscopy equipment and setup "trap houses" where you can go verify the pharma you buy is what you think you're buying.
gabriel_laddel: and by pharma, I don't mean dope
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and when you get sc4mz0r3d, take wrong pill, croak, does your ghost negrate the test house ?
mircea_popescu: so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ?
asciilifeform: or how does it work
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thread was about commercial organic chem
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ? << Violently
mircea_popescu: you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ?
BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinbrains_
mircea_popescu: organic chemistry, unlike $20k, is not finite.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ? << Declare, yes. Not blow yourself up with, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i ought to clarify where i learned the figure and how.
mircea_popescu: so what sort of alf's Hilbert Hotel is this.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds"
gabriel_laddel: the current issue is the people involved with the black market
gabriel_laddel: they suck
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds" << Not at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a db from u.s. national cancer institute of a few million plausibly-synthesizable compounds, largely of unknown effect (never organizedly fed to any living thing)
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ran models, churning through astonishing qty of cpu cycle, and sent off db entries to orc lands for synthesis
mircea_popescu: no, i know the thing, and ftr a number like that has been thrown around pretty much ever since the major synth advances of the 80s
asciilifeform: they would come back in crated vials.
asciilifeform: which would then be tested on cell culture; followed by rodents
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asciilifeform: (and the occasional lab gurl with holes in gloves...)
gabriel_laddel: lol
asciilifeform: !s glove girl
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asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: did you mean love irl ?
asciilifeform: bawat
mircea_popescu: g-love g-irl!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2013#378367 << thread. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2013 14:21:38; asciilifeform: lab girl had round-the-clock headaches for six months. went to every conceivable doctor, brain scans, the whole shebang.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, 'plausible synthesis' has a rough meaning. ask PeterL perhaps to explain in detail. but yes, synthetic vitamin B was a nobel. beyond a certain point of complexity, one tries to harness living things to crap out the goods
asciilifeform: rather than ab initio ☟︎
phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: A tangentially related lol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922449 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 23:13:51; asciilifeform: she demanded to be 'let alone with it'
asciilifeform: wai wut
asciilifeform: related how
gabriel_laddel: girls in labs
asciilifeform: plenty of folks have tales involving these
gabriel_laddel: speaking of which, do you know how Al burned off "half his skin"?
asciilifeform: most of them end in 'and she went to med school'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he explained it to me, yes
gabriel_laddel: http://www.humournet.com/misc.humour/hooked_on_diff_eqs.txt
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293507 << BingoBoingo really must show up to next conf. because i picture him as a character straight from mark twain ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 02:13:54; BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not particularly impressive in the flesh. I am a super featherweight trapped in a super welterweight's 5'7" body
asciilifeform: not in this sense
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: Culturally then
asciilifeform: aha
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, hooked on diff-eq-ics! great stuff.
BingoBoingo: Because as I keep trying to tell trinque Missouri is far more texas than Texas is
trinque: I dun believe
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and this is something like the size & shape of avg. american folk from twain's time, even.
BingoBoingo: And far southern Illinois is more Ozark than Missouri
trinque: the apartment I just looked into, my dick ripped my pants
trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there ☟︎
asciilifeform: but they also had elektron microscope ?
asciilifeform: with vaginal controls ?
asciilifeform: or what
BingoBoingo: trinque: I am trying to become sufficiently unpoor to get a 20-15 year old compact pickup. I filed that into the long term goal category.
funkenstein_: for those interested in number puzzles, this "sloane's gap" one is to me a real puzzler
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: settling in nicely?
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm sure some do at work
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I am, staying with family while I evaluate where to live
asciilifeform: so what did trinque see
gabriel_laddel: my guess: price-point
trinque: http://www.onelakesedge.com/
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trinque: about 1550-1800 for a really nice place for a single guy
asciilifeform: but it's a flat
asciilifeform: where you gonna put the lathe
trinque: hang out there for a couple years then I'm buying a house
trinque: or wherever, haven't decided yet
asciilifeform: imho 'posh flat' is really 'worst of both worlds' - but that's just me.
trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $ ☟︎
trinque: might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ? << They are. But also fuel efficent.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: have you ever thought about taking a cruise down to SA?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Walk, yes. Cruise, too much for budget given constraints.
asciilifeform: will need pontoons, on that truck..
asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard
asciilifeform: mordor-ba
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah, but notice BingoBoingo's problem isn't the cash for the ticket
asciilifeform: aha
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will need pontoons, on that truck.. << Or truck with Darien capable history.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard << Scrapyard frequently has servicable trucks for travel
phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh? << In Murica dangerous not to
asciilifeform: phf: i tried the 'hackerspace' thing, at its best it was an ick
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs? << Not just any old gangs, specific kinds
trinque: the puritanical thing and the soviet thing are so similar
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: right. So sail around.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: and write a Qntra article about walking off the reserve.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I drink too much to boat and sail sleeping
gabriel_laddel: oh my fuck you're missing my point.
trinque wonders who doesn't drink boating
BingoBoingo: what point
BingoBoingo: ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/@8.155203,-77.6980472,15579m/data=!3m1!1e3 << astonishingly abysmal res
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trinque: I thought the point was to go fast ripped
BingoBoingo: So, lets address some points about my current situation: 1) Hai FBI I noticed your Negro in the Lexus driving the street in front of my house three times today that I will admit to catching.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: take pics of that?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: No, just scowled.
gabriel_laddel: aww
BingoBoingo: Derping to take a picture doesn't look tough.
gabriel_laddel: Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: anyways, let me spell this out for you - it'd be really cool to take a cuise down to BA, get coffee with MP and cruise back right?
gabriel_laddel: it would also be cool to fly in and do the same, but you can't b/c the court
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics. << Doesn't need to go far. My street has no black residents. My street is a blind loop. One pass could be a common criminal. Multiple people is Law Enforcement.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude
BingoBoingo: Cruise is expensive, you pay transit + living expenses for duration. BTC is too underpriced for that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what'd be the point?
asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning ☟︎
asciilifeform: what's it to you.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude << You don't need an image to recognize broke ass USG Denzel Washington wannabe
gabriel_laddel: ...
gabriel_laddel: COMPUTERS DUDE
trinque: !b 3 ✂︎
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asciilifeform: i mean, it is one thing if they break the door with demolition charges, drag you out in your nighties, and take you to 'the farm' where you can sit in the coke machine and cough out private key bits for 20 yrs.
asciilifeform: but driving menacingly past your house ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: why bother ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's it to you. << My street is tar and macadam, that would tear it up. Literally one input goes to the county fairgrounds racetrack pit and my street. The other goes to my street.
trinque: this is where gossipd deniable statement mode would be great
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: trinque: why?
asciilifeform: fwiw i routinely have 3-4 white vans parked outside. snore.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but driving menacingly past your house ? << Why does local probationary cop live in the Murder duplex across from my present residence? either ignorance or malice
asciilifeform: wat's a murder-duplex
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform unfamiliar with term
trinque: gabriel_laddel: cause maybe he doesn't want to say what got them interested
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: i think main use case for a hackerspace is place to deploy own oversized equipment, but have the location subsidized by "makers". most i've been to would go through the typical list of "3d printers", eventually followed by "and here's a cnc laser cutter etc. that you can only use if you ask such and such nicely and make he'll let you under his supervision"
gabriel_laddel: trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc.
asciilifeform: phf: aha, we had this.
asciilifeform: phf: everything was either entirely dead or half-worked
BingoBoingo: Everyone working public safety professions in town knows that happened there. Yet cop is cheap enough to rent there?
asciilifeform: was in decrepit ancient church, even
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I have a photo of the agent's card, actually
phf: oh, right hacdc
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: it is still there. i haven't visited in years.
asciilifeform: last i heard, they were doing balloons
asciilifeform: (of the stratospheric variety)
phf: last i was there the big project was public wifi for the neighborhood
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc. << I have disorderly conduct misdemeanor pending in neighboring county. Fed visit is on pre-qntra blawg
asciilifeform: i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: anyways, you should really take a cruise
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent
gabriel_laddel: post em here
BingoBoingo hates boats unless bass fishing
phf: i'm moving to dc again, so will pay them a visit
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent << The Treasury department's agent's name was Broachwala or some shit. Dot Indian. FBI refused to leave card, but ginger presumably Irish asshole/
trinque pours out a little beer for BingoBoingo's troubles... into his mouth.
BingoBoingo: Both came out of the fucking Peoria field office, like fuck. St Louis is right fucking there.
BingoBoingo feels this persecution makes qntra perfect match for my anger
BingoBoingo also seriously though FBI office in Peoria was just there for the occasional drug bust and making sure the Israelies don't manage to steal all of Catepilar's tractors in one go
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer. << Jehova's witnesses come here still, but known local.
BingoBoingo: It has been a long while since home has been hasseled though, and the fucking same black person driving my street several times in the same day is as suspicious as fuck.
phf: you should try buying some weed from him ☟︎
BingoBoingo: It's like that CIA/KGB joke: "American asks how do you keep catching our spies. KGB answers stop sending niggers."
BingoBoingo: <phf> you should try buying some weed from him << Nah, I'll put eye holes in a pillowcase and keep it in my back pocket.
BingoBoingo: I got enough tape of local pols saying racist things to make a Preet believe I was a footsoldier in THEIR conspiracy of hatred
BingoBoingo: Feds read this channel so not like they weren't warned, though they might be miffed at my idea of local and other things...
phf: stand up and be counted show the world that you're a man
BingoBoingo: Mebbe I got people in the US house? Maybe I got people in the Illinois house... Maybe I got people in the US Senate, Maybe I got people in the Illinois senate.
BingoBoingo: phf: A man does agress with other people's words. USG does that. Ethics demands you only defend with that.
BingoBoingo: I have to imagine other USian residents here have similar stashes.
BingoBoingo: https://slimgr.com/image/Rlo
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BingoBoingo: You don't have to outrun the bear, just the slowest derp.
phf: man, i should learn by now not to click on your slimgr links
BingoBoingo: phf: Not all of them are so bad, but yeah... Dat Beetus gangrene
BingoBoingo: But seriously, the point of all of my drunk ramblings tonight ought to be learned early on the playground well before adulthood. If you know you are being harassed, keep evidence. Make the harasser's friends look like idiots by pretending to be their friend, and keep multiple copies of the evidence spread around in both probable and improbable places. Skipping some more probably places.
phf: in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: phf: sorta like the chinese system?
BingoBoingo: <phf> in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck << I figure why call? Make arrest as expensive as possible.
phf: i remember reading about chinese equivalent and noticing many similarities. they have a cool word for it, but i can't recall it
BingoBoingo: https://slimgr.com/images/2015/10/06/02154c70e607d083883b4609b2e9b6da.jpg << No Gangrene pictures
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phf: guanxi
gabriel_laddel: phf: you're an old lisp hand right?
gabriel_laddel: phf: have you used CLIM?
phf: known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..." ☟︎
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phf: gabriel_laddel: probably not enough to be useful, i played with it but ultimately switched to lispwork's capi for projects
BingoBoingo: phf: This is why I love bars. People have no idea if they know you or not and will talk as if old friends. This isn't favors. This is a nuclear option.
BingoBoingo: Also impossible to make a case in a just system for extortion as no one has been threatened afore. In the worst case, if things work right hard to make a case that there was any connection between events at all.
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BingoBoingo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-morbidly-obese-patient-tests-the-limits-of-a-doctors-compassion/2014/02/24/faf80438-7df9-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html << "“Don’t put him in a room right over the ER,” whispers the unit secretary to the admission clerk. “The floor won’t support him. He’ll come crashing through and kill us all.”"
assbot: A morbidly obese patient tests the limits of a doctor’s compassion - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvDcv5 )
BingoBoingo: "he seems to find succor in knowing that there’s no comment so cutting that it can’t be soothed by the balm of 8,000 calories per day."
BingoBoingo: "Though I have no way of knowing it, within a few months a crane will hoist the patient’s body through a hole cut in the side of his house, a hole that allowed EMS personnel to lower the body onto their new ultra-wide, ultra-sturdy gurney."
punkman: BingoBoingo: do funeral homes charge extra for hamplanets?
BingoBoingo: Yes
punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield." ☟︎
punkman: lol
BingoBoingo: Surprisingly common now. When I was going into college dad suggested I do somthing medical with a geriatrics speciality. How he never new when I said no that Bariatrics would be so trendy.
phf: BingoBoingo: so apparently those masks could get a lot more elaborate then just a pillowcase with eye holes, http://imgur.com/r/creepy/xdNRHH3
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punkman: not bad
BingoBoingo: phf: But if you get that elaborate it looks like you care about their otherness. Far easier to get a ghostbusters pillocase and start with that for the alibi.
punkman: BingoBoingo: elaborate is also identifying, which I guess might be a problem if you wanna by anonymous
punkman: *be
BingoBoingo: ;;google ghostbusters pillcase
gribble: 8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/2013/03/01/8-ways-to-do-ghostbusters-3-correctly/>; Trading Faces - Ghostbusters Wiki - Wikia: <http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Trading_Faces>; Stash Bag Pillow Case - ThisIsWhyImBroke.com: <http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/stash-bag-pillow-case>
BingoBoingo: ;;google ghostbusters pillowcase
gribble: 8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/2013/03/01/8-ways-to-do-ghostbusters-3-correctly/>; Shawn Mendes Selfie Magcon Boys Pillow Case - Wanelo: <https://wanelo.com/p/33812687/shawn-mendes-selfie-magcon-boys-pillow-case>; Win tickets to FreakNight 2015 | Consequence of Sound: <http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/09/win-tickets-to-freaknight-2015/>
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punkman: http://www.pigdog.org/auto/software_jihad/link/3138.html
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punkman: what's next, they finish php6?
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punkman: "Windows 10: Off to the Hottest Start in History" "In just a few short months, it’s been incredible to see more than 110 million devices already running Windows 10."
punkman: impressive botnet indeed
punkman: http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/01/skywest-inc-chooses-surface-and-windows-10-over-ipad-for-7500-pilots/ ☟︎
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punkman: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1444191449
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punkman: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/upload/files/1444192000_kalaland03.jpg "Citizens Against Single Gateway first struck 30 Sept. when more than 100,000 people loaded and reloaded six major government websites until their servers were paralyzed."
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punkman: why didn't the thai gov install some hardware in all the ISPs without making a fuss?
punkman: https://www.qualys.com/2015/10/02/opensmtpd-audit-report.txt
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punkman: https://www.propublica.org/article/verizons-zombie-cookie-gets-new-life
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BingoBoingo: <punkman> https://www.qualys.com/2015/10/02/opensmtpd-audit-report.txt << Big thread on OpenBSD-misc mailing list. Only consensus is mitigated outside the daemon on OpenBSD, gentoo maintainers port it wrong, and at least it isn't sendmail
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gabriel_laddel: I got flexi-trivial-dired to sorta work!
gabriel_laddel: (a CLIM dired implementation)
gabriel_laddel: last piece in the complete CLIM desktop experience
punkman: gabriel_laddel: is there a mirror of mcclim.cliki.net?
gabriel_laddel: punkman: not that I'm aware of
gabriel_laddel: punkman: what are you looking for? I'm pretty familiar with the current state of the docs.
punkman: I've looked at cliki entries for clim/mcclim and it's mostly broken links
gabriel_laddel: punkman: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM
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gabriel_laddel: ^ canonical repo
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mircea_popescu: hhhhola
mircea_popescu: and in other san francisco news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/aa9cc27e8bf2903cf218434a2110265d/tumblr_nor72xxgPO1skcp7po1_1280.jpg
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asciilifeform: buenos dias señor popescu
asciilifeform: woah, that parking !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293719 << quite. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:21; asciilifeform: rather than ab initio
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you wanna hear the cherry ?
asciilifeform: aha?
mircea_popescu: it gets WINDY. parking on a 30% incline with 50mph winds.
asciilifeform: i bet 'hummers' turn over like dominoes
mircea_popescu: i dun think they even go there
asciilifeform: (or at least threaten to)
asciilifeform: the lot at my mechanic's shop is like this.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the street has yet to be invented in romaniawhere all the cars are parked within the same two inches from the sidewalk.
asciilifeform: (a fella from buenos aires, lulzily)
mircea_popescu: it's more like a foot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd trust a ba mechanic. cook. dentist. plastic surgeon.
mircea_popescu: just... god help the army led by an argentine general ; or the country led by an argentine president etc. it'd do about as bad as the usarmy/usa.
gabriel_laddel: why the dentist & plastic surgeon?
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might think, these are basically human pick-and-place machines.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293720 << myeah, it's one of those massive slogs that nevertheless have to be done.pretty muchonly argument in favour of a state, to pay for the pyramids. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:54; phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
asciilifeform: meanwhile them pyramids not doing so hot.
asciilifeform: mainly on account of the models being shit.
mircea_popescu: all models start out as shit.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the models being shit is because of the von-n bottleneck, no?
mircea_popescu: all people, too.
mircea_popescu: neah.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: nope
gabriel_laddel: !?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: it is actually because we do not have good models.
mircea_popescu: the models are shit because math is broken because idiots do strings theory and social fucking "sciences"
asciilifeform: aha.
gabriel_laddel: could you elaborate or point me to some lit?
mircea_popescu: you think linux is in bad shape, that just means you don't know enough math.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: andrew leach, 'molecular modelling principles'
asciilifeform: for starters.
mircea_popescu: dude this guy has read everything
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with you!
asciilifeform: or hinchliffe's 'molecular mod. for beginnerz'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used to eat with this.
mircea_popescu: what did you eat, glacial toluene ?
asciilifeform: with modelling, i meant.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leach, great book. i dun think i understood most of it, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.molboxllc.com/services.html << photoz from my past life
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mircea_popescu: oh right, cuz you used to work at the mice farm, it's starting to come back to me
asciilifeform: well i personally never smelled the mice
asciilifeform: and i worked at two separate 'pharms', separated by some years
asciilifeform: but overall, yes
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu has never been involved in the field, some minor amateur interest, and the math.
asciilifeform did a long tour of duty in empirical lab bio at u.s. nih while a schoolboy
mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem." ☟︎
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asciilifeform: aha
gabriel_laddel: by vmath you mean PGP based academics?
mircea_popescu: i mean v-powered math.
mircea_popescu: it's in teh logs.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: consider russel&whitehead's thing. but done right.
mircea_popescu: right for a definition of right that didn't even exist pre 2015.
mircea_popescu: o wait im sorry
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember reading it, and at the time I couldn't tell if you were discussing seriously using V as a basis for academics, or just the general notion of having a explicit academic WoT.
mircea_popescu: dat v-ariety speak.
gabriel_laddel: lel
asciilifeform: ehe, stole fire from ze godz. now go light someone.
asciilifeform: see also:
asciilifeform: !s mumath
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asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel a large part of the problem is that math is very poorly structured.
asciilifeform: !s derive.exe
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asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: currently it could be fair to say we have a large lump of peat bog math.
mircea_popescu: it's not even anthracite
mircea_popescu: it needs to be A LOT more crystalline before it does any serious damage to the walls of the world.
mircea_popescu: so, yes, it's math (ie, proven, correct, what have you), in which sense it physically exists, with so and so properties. just like the petrified shit in the peat.
mircea_popescu: it is not terribly useful, in that nobody has a fucking clue how to approach the serious problems.
mircea_popescu: once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example, ☟︎
asciilifeform: the subset of maths that is actually ~understood~ in the proper sense is equal to the subset that has been mechanized.
mircea_popescu: ALL SORTS of previously inapproachable problems became mechanically solvable.
mircea_popescu: exactly asciilifeform
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: hence derive.
gabriel_laddel: gotcha
mircea_popescu: the reason "notation is worth 30 iq points" is specifically that good notations = properly crystallized topic.
asciilifeform: even a charlatan like herr wolfram understood this
asciilifeform: and had the business sense / lack of scruples / strategic usg buttbuddies - to turn it into $millions
asciilifeform: (he ran off with 'macsyma' and... well, the rest is well-known)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this incredible drive of the hobo to file off some gold from el dorado and run off with it back into the gutter.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with moving there!
asciilifeform: they make ya work a full shift in el dorado
asciilifeform: apparently.
mircea_popescu: yaimsurethey do.
mircea_popescu: "make" and "work".
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: macsymas happen, yes. but not because brezhnevamaba willed them to exist, no.
asciilifeform: *brezhnevabama
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: but they happen. and not in private industry, either, except on embezzled time
asciilifeform: not in places where folks are accountable in the quarterly sense.
mircea_popescu: i'd say the jury's still out on this one.,
mircea_popescu: let's move it to literature.
mircea_popescu: some writers write poorly under stress (orwell) ; somee other writers only wrote because hungry and hounded (balzac)
mircea_popescu: to me this is a good indicator of the subiacent truth : orwell was not really a writer, just masquerading as one.
mircea_popescu: taking advantage of sociocultural shifts that made such masquerade feasible.
asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff. ☟︎
asciilifeform: exploratory - does not.
asciilifeform: exploratory research (e.g., unix at bell) is predicated on, fundamentally, the freedom to waste time.
mircea_popescu: exploratory does too. /me has run scouts in the field, knows.
asciilifeform: (because you do not know in advance what is a waste)
mircea_popescu: the freedom to waste time is not equivalent to lack of accountability.
mircea_popescu: also, three ring binder management is not a good representative of management.
asciilifeform: granted, on some planet these are separable.
asciilifeform: i'd like to go there one day.
mircea_popescu: also, drunkenly beating your wife because the food was burned does not represent domestic discipline. scl.
asciilifeform: which is where we get back to 'freedom to waste time.' ~constructively~ wasting time requires discipline. of the internal kind.
mircea_popescu: internal discipline never exists in a void. either you are a discipline factor, in which case you will, willy nilly, attract slaves and construct an ordered space, by the act of mere existence, or you are a discipline beneficiary, in which case you will slowly gravitate, also willy nilly, towards a structured space.
asciilifeform: it is a talent, not really entirely unlike, say, the ability to do maths
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with either, but large groups have come to significant grief trying to deny the wall / piss uphill.
mircea_popescu: it is a curse, not entirely unlike, say, being born intolerant of the smell of farts.
asciilifeform: is everyone 'either a mathematicizer or a beneficiary of mathematics who must gravitate towards the mathy' ?
asciilifeform: in a way - yes!
mircea_popescu: (from the "if money's a curse, may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" series)
asciilifeform: l0lz
asciilifeform: 'http://www.twitter.com/Tweet_a_bad_word_about_an_american_corporation_and_most_of_your_tweets_get_hidden_from_view' << from server log spam
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure twitter pivoted from the "come advertise us for free, you canthen read yourr stuff" to the v2.0 model of "thanks for all the free advertising, you can't really do anymore so now fuck off".
mircea_popescu: sometime in 2013 maybe.
asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of the thing, has been mostly ignoring it since day 1
gabriel_laddel: what is a stream
gabriel_laddel: ^ web2.0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with kink high right ?
asciilifeform: aha, from mircea_popescu's article. in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: same thing. at least in romania, at some point the fuckable herd, 20somethings in pr and design and whatnot, decided this is the cool.
mircea_popescu: wolf has many liberties, but among them is not the liberty to move around ignoring the cattle herd.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: There are only 90 primitive functional, algebraic, polynomial, logarithmic, trigonometric, exponential, and differential transformations. There are only a dozen basic tactics for methods of solution. There are only 33 rudimentary sine and cosine transforms. There are only 29 elementary classes of Fourier transform functions. There are only a few score series expansion modalities.
mircea_popescu: "Hooked on Differential Equations" sets each of these simple concepts to music. Twisted Sister, Metallica, The Dead Kennedys,
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: good ol' uncle al
asciilifeform: he eventually answered my mail, did i ever say. promised to dig out pgp key.
asciilifeform: al is almost a tree, operates in nearly geological time.
asciilifeform: perhaps by winter's end i will hear from him again, with a pgp sig
mircea_popescu: The music of John Cage, Charlotte Moorman and Annie Sprinkle will take you by the hand, correlating Gamma zeros with prime numbers! Imagine deriving Euler's constant from Stirlings asymptotic series! Imagine never living in fear or embarrassment again! This life can be your own!
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o god.
mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me
mircea_popescu: yo Naphex wouldja consider putting "get in the wot" among the tasks for performers that earn them a fee reduction ? i'm willing to support it on the other end with the cents for tits programme.
mircea_popescu: and also get a blog damn.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as you perhaps intuited, mp's private island is really populated by pirates and harlots.
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: plus some confiscated spanish cannon.
asciilifeform: what's the point of island without these !
mircea_popescu: ask the fucking "start your own country" crowd, not me.
asciilifeform: from my readings, most of them just wanted out.
asciilifeform: like any prisoner
mircea_popescu: yeah. because moo-wants mattter now.
asciilifeform: well sometimes moo gets out. and then ambles about for a while, interrupting traffic, until re-corralled
mircea_popescu: we are all people and we will successfully rebel against the necessary effects of the mistaken belief that we are people through the mechanism that people can do whatever they want and we are people too!
mircea_popescu: such logic.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293747 << didja pull a "i'm taking it. you two can stay." ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:22:48; trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293914 << fly moar winblowz-air !!1 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 05:55:14; punkman: http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/01/skywest-inc-chooses-surface-and-windows-10-over-ipad-for-7500-pilots/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293768 << omfg playing civ with opl! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:38; asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
asciilifeform: can hardly wait, incidentally, for the inevitable winblowzification of the (mandatory, never mentioned publicly in usa) remote control system for passenger liners
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's wrong with opl ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293780 << unless one is actually building a fortress, it is a better plan to keep distriburted, redundant, cheap to set up living and work spaces. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:33:48; phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, better. but outside the budget of a ragged dervish.
mircea_popescu: the happy travelling salesman is the salesman that has a girlfriend in every town on the route and a friendly boss at every competitor.
asciilifeform: that's just another kind of 'rich' - rich in people.
mircea_popescu: the interaction between the fantasyt of the superhero and the constraints of the reality got resolved by the above observation resulting in the field of the "private eye"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i surmise that the oak may sleep to everything, except those times when it's awake ? :D
asciilifeform: gotta wake up for a few min. every day to pump the sap
mircea_popescu: sop.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i actually tried the 'pool resources' thing phf spoke of, with buncha other weirdos. my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing.
asciilifeform: (the other problem is that everybody, self included, was doing it in 'spare cycles, tired from day job' mode and none of the equipment was ever really made to work / nothing ever happened
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: travel to and from the rathole was also an exhausting thing
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293808 << you never stood next to tanks moving hqave you. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:43:46; asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning
mircea_popescu: i'd rather be charged by angry goats.
gabriel_laddel: Hrm. In the silly valley the problem with these hackerspaces is typically idiots everywhere.
gabriel_laddel: if they'd just get out of the way, it would be a lot of fun.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing. << explain ?
gabriel_laddel: e.g., don't let smelly homeless into the neato hacker fortress in SF
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the one i went to, actually had a chick! who was fond of meetings, minutes, paperwork, the whole shebang, and would gripe about all of this being unappreciated
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsI27lrFWis
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mircea_popescu: she actually does have a point, tho im sure she made a mess of it. or maybe not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am very easily distracted by people talking
mircea_popescu: oh the interrupt thing. yeah i can see that.
asciilifeform: and also by not being able to disappear into alone-space by pressing a button.
asciilifeform: (mask interrupts!)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anwyay, the ba log is really nothing other than properly kept minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293816 << in which we discover alf does not understand how teh usg works. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:15; asciilifeform: but driving menacingly past your house ?
mircea_popescu: dude, if they had the fucking balls to be effectual they wouldn't be themselves, now would they.
asciilifeform: hey every so often they bust a door and drag some kicking and screaming, no ?
mircea_popescu: really ?
asciilifeform: but wtf is the point of 'rolling by' some schmuck's house ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293820 << interesting theory, sounds fucking insane tome, but then again... ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:57; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism.
asciilifeform: i don't give a tinker's damn if obamitler himself drives by my house.
mircea_popescu: anyway, inplainer terms : the point of rolly by some schmuck's house is that you get to be in the car, and the clock is ticking, and you almost certainly won't get shot.
asciilifeform: it's a fuckin city street.
mircea_popescu: this makes it a better thing to do than any alternative, for the guy in question.
asciilifeform: ah, now those we have everywhere.
gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293828 << dude... ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:47:51; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/8597861d0fa75be1dff8e5daf300188e/tumblr_np44o0AE8B1ttqu7ro1_1280.jpg << boobs wanna be free!!1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTggLw )
asciilifeform: but re: phf et al, yes, with 5x the budget i would indeed rent five warehouses while living in a coffin.
mircea_popescu: precious few people living in coffins were "people rich"
asciilifeform: supposing i were not a slave and did not have to live on a plantation
asciilifeform: speaking of which
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293856 << this is a better plan than it sounds lol. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:01:20; phf: you should try buying some weed from him
mircea_popescu: they'll get all the effort underway for a "sting operation", easy 100k worth, then you can just point and laugh at them.
trinque: mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. << bwahahaha, I'd have said web work is a proper whore's job ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
mircea_popescu: (make sure you're with MANY people. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983461 ) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 16:19:17; mircea_popescu: Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/0d32607a6ec1a0a782a994dc6acbfd16/tumblr_nkwlcd20hJ1tkz70so2_1280.png << any drunken walk experts in the audience care to explain why the well work walkspot (a fine indicator of the strip club with tradition) is square rather than the round one'd expect ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTgMct )
mircea_popescu: spoils for the victor : http://41.media.tumblr.com/5a1c78dfb9b45021b4dcf1340826949a/tumblr_nkwlcd20hJ1tkz70so7_1280.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTgKkN )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293871 << twas not top kek, jjust, hard to do well. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:23:01; phf: in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293880 << amusingly enough, in romanian the word denotes a bluff. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:35:36; phf: known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..."
mircea_popescu: !up Londe
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293893 << this is no small matter, incidentally. it'sjust good fortune that human body can actually be imaged without requiring doses of radiation that'd be strong enough to induce cancer locally. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 04:54:48; punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield."
mircea_popescu: it's a typical surface-and-radius problem, and we for some reason fell on the lucky side of it.
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mircea_popescu: http://consciouslifenews.com/yeti-real-researcher-finds-himalayan-yeti-genetically-identical-ancient-polar-bear/1166893/ << how to help spammers create a mailing list. <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a3995edd941d3fdee574dab4064cb451&size=40' height='64' width='64' alt=sterls@bell.net' />
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punkman: "Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump."
punkman: "There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers."
punkman: "Like the other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back by return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.” Which I can only assume gave him fits."
mircea_popescu: is stubbly fingers bad in the us ?
deedbot-: [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-september-2015-statement/
mircea_popescu: stories from the deep, for my good friends in nyc (paging mike_c ) : plumer called yest ; said he's gonna show up today between noon and 3. showed up at 1. fixed thing with his own parts, half hour labour, certified sort of task. the bill ? ~120.
mike_c: hehe, don't lose that guy's number. I bet a good contractor is almost as hard to find down there as it is up here.
mircea_popescu: myeah. very pleasant young guy too.
mircea_popescu: intel delivers!
mircea_popescu recalls many winters ago going through books, discovering $680 express charge. turns out that if you want nyc service "within three days" you gotta pay like a week's wages. otherwise, the waiting list's 5 weeks long.
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mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/22990f91b0798344574e49d508211206/tumblr_noywcdzaoZ1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg << photoproof that being lame and boring is contagious, whereas being nude is not.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WNlQ6l )
mircea_popescu: should explain a lot about the state of the world.
mike_c: I'm looking forward to Eulora land ownership.
mircea_popescu: me too!
mod6: so awesome. every exciting stuff.
mircea_popescu: >D
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pete_dushenski: "For just $19.99, ShipFoliage.com will send you a few leaves harvested from the colorful forest floors of Vermont and New Hampshire. “Each leaf is carefully picked and color balanced in a bundle of three,” the website reads." << so $6.66 for a generic leaf ?? what was that about money not growing on trees ?
mircea_popescu: lawl.
mircea_popescu: beats wood off the authentic cross and holy water from the whatever.
mircea_popescu: or does it.
mircea_popescu: in other news, do you like dags ? http://36.media.tumblr.com/fa2737ae5a5ce0772d1cba36ba622098/tumblr_np71nmtuXZ1tj991so1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lir7ip )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo's bro does
pete_dushenski: dawgs are too much work for me
pete_dushenski: i mean, if you're going to put that much work into a lump of flesh, from infancy on upwards, why not at least mould it in your own image ?
pete_dushenski: dog sorta plateaus at, what, 6 month-old child's mental capacity ?
pete_dushenski: not that the unconditional love thing probably doesn't hold some appeal
mike_c: you can train a dog to do what you tell it.
pete_dushenski: just not for yours truly so much
pete_dushenski: mike_c: more easily than people, yes. but people too !
mike_c: mhm. let's circle back on that when your newborn gets a personality :)
pete_dushenski: haha k
mike_c: Although there is that weird feeling of frustration and pride when your stubborn two year old will not do what you want, but you realize that's because he is a lot like you.
mike_c: but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park. ☟︎
jurov: pete_dushenski: the $20 foliage reminds me of http://imgur.com/x6qYB3J
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mircea_popescu: don't knock it, smart 6 month old kid >>> dumbass adult.
mircea_popescu: what thefuck is that disgusting goop
mircea_popescu: and THEY KNEW it was fucking stupid, which is why they put that ground copper on it or w/e it is.
jurov: glue pistol
jurov: *thermal
mircea_popescu: "hey, this tastes like shit" "add some ginger to it!"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im not so sure of the entire moulding thing. i think i met more competent dogs than competent humans in my life, mostly because the bar so much lower for dog. and it's self-moulding really, just as long as you don't get in th way too much.
mircea_popescu: sorta like health generally.
pete_dushenski: jurov: looks like amethyst. /me recalls traveling across canada in my early youth, stopping at amethyst mines, being fascinated by the colour and size of the formations
pete_dushenski: but the superglue is a bit much ;/
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sure the bar is lower for dogs, where's the alf dog ? not meeting a stand-out example allows the others to enjoy their mediocre unexceptionalism
pete_dushenski: free of the bright light of contrast
pete_dushenski: actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea ☟︎
pete_dushenski: hell, when eulora gets animals, this beast should be there !
pete_dushenski: it'll obviously talk, mostly pessimistic/crank whispering, fomenting rumours from across the land
pete_dushenski: 'alf dog' can truly be man's best friend : always keeping him on his toes, alert, aware of the faintest rustles in the leaves
pete_dushenski: he'll sense things that no person ever could, and have the ability to articulate it !
pete_dushenski doesn't, ftr, think alf is anything like a 'crank' but that he's easily the foremost expert on those who are
pete_dushenski: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dogstar-tailtalk-world-s-first-dog-emotion-sensor#/ << speaking of man better understanding his dog...
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jurov: convert your dog to tamagotchi!!11(r)(tm)
pete_dushenski: so... you can spec a 'microshit surface pro 4' with 1tb hd, 16gb ram, intel i7 for... $2`700 !
pete_dushenski: coming to a leasing plan near you (tm)
jurov: is it compatible with zune?
pete_dushenski: jurov: you ever play tamagotchi ? i think i was the only kid in my class who didn't. maybe one other.
jurov: i didn't, but yes, half of class had
pete_dushenski: global phenomenon eh. i don't think they were exactly cheap either. maybe $cad 40 ? in ~1997 money ?
pete_dushenski: those pre-dot-com bucks are nothing to sneeze at.
jurov: yep, many rich kids in our 'hood
pete_dushenski: ah scratch that 40 guesstimate : the 1996 model msrp'd for 2079 yen, $usd 15.99. so probably closer to $cad 20.
punkman: how much was the gameboy around then?
pete_dushenski: ~$100 iirc
pete_dushenski: that's $cad
pete_dushenski: yup, gameboy pocket (1996) msrp was $usd 59.99
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pete_dushenski: $cad 1 = $usd 0.66 at the time, was parity five years ago, now back to 0.75
pete_dushenski: gameboy pocket cartridge capacity : 1mb (!)
pete_dushenski: cpu speed : 4.19 mhz
pete_dushenski: golden days.
pete_dushenski: well, i'm off for a bit !
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jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=LuVLjAhsw-w FTW!
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jurov: !up ascii_field
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty jurov
ascii_field has been trying and failing to get external lcd working on a w540 for >year now
ascii_field at the end of the latest bout of this
jurov: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/ lol "power to handle any taxing software" i understood as "taxation software"
assbot: ThinkPad W540 | Mobile Workstation | | Lenovo US ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q8jn2g )
ascii_field: i cannot even begin to describe how much i hate this thing
ascii_field: most of all for there being no (afaik) alternative to it
ascii_field: that is even half worth considering
ascii_field: instead, i look at 2mm tall text.
ascii_field: all day, every day.
punkman: why doesn't the external display work?
ascii_field: because fucktarded 'nvidia optimus'
ascii_field: that can't be turned off
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: this is (or was) afaik the most expensive portable sold, and it is ~still~ a turd
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
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ascii_field: incidentally, the very existence of 'ubuntu' is a blight.
ascii_field: because it enables a host of sc4mz0rz to peddle 'linux-compatible!!1!!!11' crud that is entirely not
ascii_field: (functions only if you use the ubuntu kernels and never attempt to so much as rebuild)
ascii_field: in turn, no one bothers to develop an actual driver because 'dontcha know, ubuntu is linux and there is a linux driver'
pete_dushenski: "Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday banned any further negotiations between Iran and the United States" << because not even iran will negotiate with terrorists.
pete_dushenski: because what's to negotiate with ? usg is a nebulous metastatic blob with no end and no beginning. trying to have a conversation with it is like talking to a tree and expecting the forest to play along.
pete_dushenski: khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: ""Negotiations with the United States open gates to their economic, cultural, political and security influence. Even during the nuclear negotiations they tried to harm our national interests.," Khamenei was quoted as saying on his website.""
pete_dushenski: go figure the one political leader in iran who doesn't have to worry about re-elections has the most considered perspective.
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pete_dushenski: what are the chances that democracy doesn't produce the best results ? but rather the results that favour usg interests ? hm. i wonder.
ascii_field: moocracy
pete_dushenski: oinkokracy, more halal.
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/vw-abgasskandal/neuer-volkswagen-chef-vw-will-maengel-an-fahrzeugen-bis-2016-beheben-13842286.html << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems... ☟︎
assbot: Neuer Volkswagen-Chef: VW will Mängel an Fahrzeugen bis 2016 beheben ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rujy97 )
pete_dushenski: piss is too pricey.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: https://www.rt.com/usa/317886-toyota-isis-trucks-treasury/ << such fucking lulz.
assbot: ISIS driving Toyotas a little too often, US Treasury wonders why — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1RujWEK )
pete_dushenski: u.s. wonders aloud : "why aren't the bad guys driving our shitboxen ?!"
pete_dushenski: um. because they're shitboxen.
pete_dushenski: and toyotas have a hard-earned reputation for lasting longer than regimes.
pete_dushenski: so yea, isis uses toyotas.
pete_dushenski: but asking toyota why they're providing isis with trucks is like asking amd why they're providing tmsr~ with chips and mobos, or asking boeing why they gave the 9/11ers planes.
pete_dushenski: what kind of sense is this ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: this kind of thing began in 1960-70s, where 'why did this computer end up in su' became a thing
pete_dushenski: no wonder khamenei won't negotiate with these fucks.
ascii_field: and usg conscripted tech suppliers, not only banks, to serve as de-facto polizei
pete_dushenski: a role they play to this day, much to the detriment of their own long-term survival.
pete_dushenski: but hey, no one ever got fired for complying and taking the path of least resistance.
pete_dushenski: so on it goes.
ascii_field: they survive, and will continue to survive, because there is no alternative
ascii_field: nothing that looks, smells, walks, talks, like the remotest shadow of an alternative.
ascii_field: find me a motherfucking laptop with ips display and room for 24G that doesn't have nvidia piece of shit.
pete_dushenski: well, i won't speak for intel, but toyota can flatly tell usg where to go.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field it seems that computing is unique in this regard.
ascii_field: it is not unique.
ascii_field: you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either. << Sure you can... Just not new
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because poison pill computing has seeped in the cracks.
trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came
BingoBoingo: * trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came << It came when Andrew Jackson when on his genocide kick in defiance of the US supreme court. Or when Washington wasn't hung during the WHiskey rebellion.
trinque: riff on the "no one could have forseen" wry comment
trinque: of course people saw the end approaching but was it ever stopped?
BingoBoingo: Nope. Just happened.
ascii_field: the reason why the decay is at its most cartoon-coloured visible in computing, is that it is the most inherently centralized industry in existence
ascii_field: more so even than nuclear
ascii_field: there are literally one hand's fingers' worth of places on the planet where workstation cpu is made
ascii_field: and perhaps 2x that many where mobo is made
ascii_field: and two or three, where modern ram is.
BingoBoingo kinda wants to see ISIL driving some new Ford superduty trucks now that FOrd is going all in on Art Deco and chrome.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field this is perhaps a better restatement of what i was getting at with the uniqueness of computing
pete_dushenski: the degree of centralisation is pretty unparalleled
ascii_field: notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.' ☟︎
ascii_field: even if wanted.
pete_dushenski: that is actually a fascinating truth. quite revelatory of the complexity involved.
ascii_field: it is not even about complexity.
ascii_field: but economics.
BingoBoingo: Gawker Media now in full actual war propaganda mode, seriously intercepting drones in a manned aircraft takes balls: https://archive.is/d5XEG
assbot: Russia Intercepts U.S. Drones Over Syria, Launches Cruise Missiles From Caspian ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEEn7K )
pete_dushenski: we never had the nuclear-powered cars expected in the 1950s (ford nucleon), but computer powered ? entirely, now.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: snore. poor things are defenseless
ascii_field: ('predator',
ascii_field: 'reaper', have no cannon)
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Well then can use self as rocket
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: have you ever seen one ?
trinque: I've already heard a derp repeat "they're shooting down our drones!"
BingoBoingo: Not live
ascii_field: there are a few hanging in the national airplane museum
ascii_field: they have small propellers.
ascii_field: thing is just a slow flying platform to drop one or two rocket bombs from
BingoBoingo lives a county away from Airforce Base, see a lot of cargo haulers and the decoy air force one fleet often
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but if french bureaucracy is (and has been for decades if not centuries) the centralised behemoth that i understand it to be, why h-bomb and no 'pentium' ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: But flying to intercept means getting close enough for a bored kind at Nellis to put the drone into a hard turn for the lulz
pete_dushenski: what's different about usg/su centralisation ? scale of overall economy from which to draw ?
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ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun ☟︎
ascii_field: su also did not do it, notice !
pete_dushenski: which it would be, except useful.
pete_dushenski: su didn't make chips ?
ascii_field: modern ru was - if we are to believe elbrus co. - just barely able to make a handful of 'pentium 1'-equiv. items.
pete_dushenski: aha
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they had trouble keeping up with 1980s usa
pete_dushenski: and who knows if 'elbrus' can be believed.
ascii_field: and, i will note, lifted die contents wholesale
ascii_field: (though not always)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field as 2010s usa has trouble keeping up with chian
pete_dushenski: china*
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: china does not actually design workstation either !
ascii_field: never has
ascii_field: notice i did not say 'cpu' but specifically workstation cpu
pete_dushenski: hm. in terms of design, you have a point.
ascii_field: if we must have a rigorous definition, say 'cpu which can keep the blockchain'
pete_dushenski: if russia has the economy to make elbrus, which can presumable keep the blockchain, seems odd that china can't
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i do not know for a fact that elbrus was made.
ascii_field: for all i know, it is a '90s-style chumpatron like the last elbrus !
ascii_field: and the one before that.
pete_dushenski: lol!
pete_dushenski: they could teach ethertards a thing or two if they're ~that~ good.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu actually worked some magic to try scoring a sample board but nothing came of it.
pete_dushenski: back to french 'reasonability' and why they haven't launched gold into sun, since when are the french reasonable ? they're fucking nutbag socialists of the highest order !
ascii_field: at this time, every single copy of every variant of bitcoin in the world runs on a cpu designed - and, in almost all cases, made - by the usg ministry of crudputing !!
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: reasonable enough not to launch a trillion's worth of au into the sun.
ascii_field: not a high bar.
pete_dushenski: though i'm now starting to appreciate alf's earlier point about isis : 'show me single kalash bullet'
pete_dushenski: as to how far and how improbably a culture and economy has to come to develop that which we take for granted.
ascii_field: really the other thing, imho, is more interesting - that modern tech is far more of a centralized thing than anything in old su ever was
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: su actually had competing suppliers, and sometimes entire supply chains, for things.
ascii_field: whereas your cpu came from one of three buildings on the whole fucking planet.
ascii_field: and your next one - from one of two.
pete_dushenski: because of the costs of 10/14nm chips requiring still more centralisation ? or because 'next one' will necessarily have 'arm', which is only made in 2 places ?
ascii_field: and designed in ONE
ascii_field: (yes, even chinese arm is 'license design')
ascii_field: yes, ALL OF loongson's products.
ascii_field: also licensed.
ascii_field: (the mips series)
ascii_field: NO ONE DESIGNS
pete_dushenski: once a (human) generation, it seems.
ascii_field: nonsense.
ascii_field: this is unique to cpu.
ascii_field: (and, to slightly lesser extent, related peripherals)
pete_dushenski: well, even if new cpu was designed, it'd have to be made at one of a handful of facilities, the odds of which are ~0, yes ?
ascii_field: aha.
ascii_field: but it is important to understand the sheer magnitude of the first counterfactual here.
ascii_field: NO ONE has, for a very long time, designed a cpu in the sense of actually laying out the transistors.
ascii_field: instead, it is much like modern high-level programming languages
ascii_field: with elephantine libraries, largely consisting of layer upon layer of kludge
ascii_field: all of it maximally proprietary, without exception - microshit-based, and having 'compile times' measured in weeks or months
pete_dushenski: for a bit of history, when was the last clean sheet design made ? and by whom ? the gods ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: no later than late 1980s
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: here is a classic historic example of such a design: http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334
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ascii_field: goes from a program, all the way to a chip die generated by said program, AND able to run it !
ascii_field: in a few 100 lines of 'scheme' (a lisp dialect)
pete_dushenski: i'm probably ill equipped to appreciate 'scheme-79' but i like the hand-drawings !
pete_dushenski: particularly the fact that artist didn't use ruler for all arrows
pete_dushenski: some are noticeably wobbly.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field and where does z80 fit into this picture ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: nowhere.
ascii_field: because you cannot blockchain on it. ☟︎
ascii_field: or develop bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: aha just a curiousity then ?
ascii_field: now you ~can~ do certain things on it.
ascii_field: such as signing transactions.
ascii_field: and i'd say more, but it is a little bit off topic...
pete_dushenski: "Months after winning a national title, Harvard’s debate team has fallen to a group of New York prison inmates."
pete_dushenski: "Inmates can earn various degrees through the initiative, which is taught primarily by Bard faculty. About 15 per cent of the all-male inmates at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility in Napanoch are enrolled. Graduates of the program have continued their studies at Yale and Columbia universities, Kenner said."
pete_dushenski: "While in prison, they learn without the help of the Internet, relying instead on resources provided by the college."
pete_dushenski: but i thought the internet was the classroom of the people of the future of the lala ?
pete_dushenski: guess not eh.
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pete_dushenski: bbias
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