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ben_vulpes: its the simple things in life
Duffer1: ;;seen dexX7
gribble: dexX7 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dexX7> i think i can up myself
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GRV484.txt )
ben_vulpes: !b 2 ✂︎
ben_vulpes: i think vexual has a higher bash score than i
ben_vulpes: i'm not even as funny as a markov chain
BingoBoingo: Vexual is often bashable, often not for his own uttering but for those of others that surround his.
ben_vulpes: it's all in the context
decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually: http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/4587 "Dental and Vision benefits are available to eligible Federal and Postal employees, retirees, and their eligible family members on an enrollee-pay-all basis."
assbot: Benefits.gov - Federal Employee Dental and Vision Insurance Program (FEDVIP)
RagnarDanneskjol: its still highly subsidized
decimation: I think health benefits are, but dental and vision are not
decimation: although I think they pay pre-tax money
decimation: I guess if by "subsidized" you mean "group purchase price" then yeah
RagnarDanneskjol: i don't know for certain, just have to use all these benefits comparison resources for work and it appears dental/vision is always heavily discounted for gummint folk. and yes, they get the pretax bennies too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00070814 = 10.1271 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: u.s. civil service folks get benefits package similar to that in any large firm
asciilifeform: proper employees, that is. contractors get zip.
ben_vulpes: plus motherland satisderption
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: asciilifeform: contractors get what their employers offer; generally "getting zip" means buy insurance on your own dime
asciilifeform: decimation: 'insurance on your own dime' generally means something like zip - no group discount
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that used to be true but these days with obamacare it might be about the same as everyone else, depending on the details
asciilifeform: 'contractor' here means actual contractor, vs. proper full time employees of private firms who bid on federal contracts
decimation: my understanding is that usg pretends that 'contractors' are replacable parts, billable hours are based on 'years of experience and education'
asciilifeform: even today, buying the kind of insurance available for a token fee to civil service folks or employees of large concerns - costs 1-2k usd / month if you do it 'as a human'
decimation: yeah I would buy that. traditionally 'contractors' lard their billable rates to compensate for this burden
asciilifeform: most of the contractors are hired for a fixed salary, agreed on before-hand, as if they were normal employees
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/how-facebook-might-fix-its-trivial-viral-content-glut/
assbot: Facebooks route to becoming a reassurance machine | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: (rather than paid 'piecework', like the customary meaning of 'contractor' in, e.g., the construction trades)
decimation: well, it probably depends on the 'traditional business culture' of the particular branch of government the contractor 'agrees' with
decimation: seems like every piece of usg does things differently
asciilifeform is only familiar with the particular bureaucracy where he once worked
penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/18_nothing-beats-reading-the-source-boto-and-s3-and-multiple-arity-edition.html
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you use to sort and store your electronics parts? standard little plastic bins?
asciilifeform did ~3 yrs of this type of contracting. a real laugh. didn't even have paid time off.
asciilifeform: decimation: generally, the containers they ship in.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i didn't make this bedrock, i just drill through it
decimation: I suspect most actual work at usg is done by contractors anyway
ben_vulpes: decimation: holds true for lotsa places
TheNewDeal: quite true
decimation: if they work for less than a 'living wage', then they are essentially donating their life to usg
decimation: same goes to employees, etc
asciilifeform: on account of the mundane fact that - they are cheaper.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cheaper on a dollars/shit done metric maybe - not dollars/hr
asciilifeform: and, unlike many civil service posts, are 'fired at will'
decimation: kinda like you can only rent a miner for more than its expected bitcoin mining return, I suspect most 'employees' of usg work for less than a 'living wage'
decimation: ulterior motives abound, etc
asciilifeform: other little 'secret' - with the exception of 'secret' agencies, a contractor need not be a u.s. citizen.
asciilifeform: of the roughly two dozen staff in my lab, there were, i think, at most two u.s. born folks at any given time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00070629 = 3.037 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://shame.shithouse.tv/
ben_vulpes: (unrelated)
asciilifeform isn't sure where the notion of 'usg pays starvation wages' comes from.
asciilifeform: perhaps from academics who escape from usg research houses to private firms
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6185 @ 0.00118124 = 7.306 BTC [-] {12}
asciilifeform: but if you compare folks carrying on in exactly the same profession, the pay is similar
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 316366 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 145 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 13 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23619550874.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.71604
BingoBoingo: %d
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19063 @ 0.00070563 = 13.4514 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 188247.82 in 1907 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.98
mike_c: ;;calc 0.0236 * 1.1 * 1.1
gribble: 0.028556
asciilifeform: and the question of what precisely a 'living wage' might be, in bezzleworld, is a rather tricky one.
asciilifeform: depends, i suppose, on what you'd call 'living.'
mike_c: 23.6 * (1.1**9)
mike_c: ;;calc 23.6 * (1.1**9)
gribble: 55.6475655076
mike_c: hm.. http://bitbet.us/bet/990/bitcoin-difficulty-72b-on-or-before-christmas/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas :: 2.29 B (30%) on Yes, 5.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 69`921 (100`000 to 2`000)
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it's true that whatever you define "living wage" in the bezzle-world, the number has been steadying going up over the years
asciilifeform doesn't know who could possibly disagree with this
decimation: part of the problem with usg employee wages is that congress has held them fixed for several years now I think
decimation: http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/07/26/will-feds-get-a-pay-raise-in-2014/
assbot: Will Feds Get a Pay Raise in 2014? : FedSmith.com
decimation: re: nsa cryptography: http://aviationweek.com/awin/faulty-aehf-slow-trajectory-orbit "It also experienced cost overruns and is late because of problems with unreliable parts that needed changing out and delays developing cryptographic keys from the National Security Agency. " ☟︎
assbot: Faulty AEHF On Slow Trajectory To Orbit | AWIN content from Aviation Week
decimation: details unspecified
decimation: another amusing article on usg pay (with data) http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/
assbot: Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : FedSmith.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00070815 = 8.1791 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00070597 = 6.8479 BTC [-]
decimation: duh - "The bottom line is that we have absolutely no idea if pay for Federal employees is consistent with private sector pay for a given type of job in a given location.The data is not there and it may not serve the interests of politicians to actually find out what the truth is.f"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.00070817 = 6.1944 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: does anyone know of a good bitcoin network graph type generator
TheNewDeal: maybe like a wget of bitcoin addresses / transactions?
mike_c: like a chain of blocks containing addresses & transaction data?
TheNewDeal: too lazy
TheNewDeal: like a visual map
mike_c: blockchain.info has a clickable thing ifyou're looking follow certain txs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39492 @ 0.00070831 = 27.9726 BTC [+] {4}
TheNewDeal: how does their taint analysis work? maybe that's something kind of like what I'm looking for. Some 2nd and 3rd level addresses that have bumped into contact with a particular address
BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work
mike_c: well, that's what it is.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: doesn't work like is inaccurate? or just that it's a bad idea to begin with.
TheNewDeal: please do expalin bb. I've read the trilema article before
BingoBoingo: It seems like a horribly ineffective way to track ownership of coins or their movement.
TheNewDeal: because?
TheNewDeal: I'm naive here - not sure how blockchain.info runs their taint
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Because of simply the wide variety of shit that gets done with coins.
TheNewDeal: there was an article posted here a while back (it's in the lawgs). It was 2 dudes, one of them for sure had an indian last name
TheNewDeal: they draw a map of transactions in it, and you can see a bunch of silk road addresses off on the side
TheNewDeal: they also claimed to have followed a few large addresses that attempted to bunch and split their coins (not necessarily mix)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work << except when it does
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure
asciilifeform: if all you want to know is 'did the sr coins move' etc.
asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go.
asciilifeform: blind 'taint' analysis is one thing, a list of 1mil names and deposit addrs is quite another.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: With the slightest bit of personal awareness of your own addresses though, plausible deniability becomes feasible.
asciilifeform: when did plausible deniability release anyone from gasenwagen?
asciilifeform: only objective re: the wagen - don't get in.
BingoBoingo: True
asciilifeform: weakest link in btc apparatus is still - the owner. esp. if he's hanging upside-down, waiting for the next whack with a thick telephone book.
asciilifeform: even the dumbest bureaucrat presumably understands this.
asciilifeform: the only possible pill against this situation is - to not end up in it.
asciilifeform like probably everyone else, contemplated the mathematical curio of a 'panic key' that irreversibly destroys coin (in a hypothetical 'btc 2.0' apparatus, naturally)
asciilifeform: essential attribute of such being that it cannot be determined to be what it is other than by being actually used in a broadcasted transaction.
asciilifeform: implementation - an exercise for alert reader.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10173645/Kremlin-returns-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html << Russian bureaucrats know it is easier to squeeze humans than control bits
assbot: Kremlin returns to typewriters to avoid computer leaks - Telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5211 @ 0.00070749 = 3.6867 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: methinks your yield is going a lot higher this month http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 189.09 B (14%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 53`621 (100`000 to 1)
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/18/a-crude-map-of-missouri-because-where-is-ferguson-anyway/
asciilifeform: decimation: typewriters are trivially snooped via ordinary acoustic bug.
asciilifeform: (don't believe? try it yourself. each key has a detectably-different sound.)
asciilifeform: given the small quantities of the machines bought, it seems likely that each will inhabit a separate room. precisely the best circumstances for such a bug.
decimation: yeah I believe. every security decision is full of trade-offs
asciilifeform: what we're seeing is not love of the typewriter, but a desperate flight from wintel.
asciilifeform: like the doomed office plankton jumping from a burning skyscraper, they don't much care where they land.
decimation: http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/
assbot: After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office | ZDNet
decimation: the mind reels. one hope is that as the 14-nm process seems to dribble production, the world will have time to step back and actually do something useful with the silicon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 322 @ 0.00260683 = 0.8394 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17279 @ 0.00070644 = 12.2066 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up diatonic
BingoBoingo: !up shovel_boss
BingoBoingo: !up Guest43995
BingoBoingo: !up aegis
TheNewDeal: shovel boss!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29266666 = 0.878 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: !up usagi
usagi: Hi thanks~
TheNewDeal: 30 minutes, we'll see about that assbot
usagi: TheNewDeal yesterday you said I told you I was insuring people (kakobrekla) against glbse defaults. I didn't say that, kako's contract was for pirate
usagi: But a lot of the contracts had NDA's at the customer's request so I don't usually talk about particulars
TheNewDeal: not only that, anduck said it today as well
usagi: Anduck's contract was separate from kakobreklas. I think you can understand that.
usagi: Do you run a business in the community, TND?
usagi: Or are you just watching :)
TheNewDeal: yes, it's called Don't Feed the Scammers
TheNewDeal: it's doing smashingly well
usagi: Ahh, just an investor I see
TheNewDeal: why do you ask?
usagi: Dunno, looking for investment options I guess
usagi: There isn't much available right now. I've been chatting with you recently. thought I'd ask
TheNewDeal: i've got a good offer for you
usagi: Yes?
TheNewDeal: it's called purchasing my bitbets
usagi: Yeah I made a little on bitbet, I should probably take a look at that site again soon
usagi: There are some issues with the site tho, which discourage me from betting
TheNewDeal: your choice
TheNewDeal: regardless
TheNewDeal: I'm in the business of scouting out good bets and reselling them
usagi: Oh? That sounds interesting
usagi: Actually I'll go take a look at the site now
usagi: it's been a while
TheNewDeal: site hasn't change much, merely the bets
usagi: The berkshire bet does not inspire confidence :p
usagi: But I'm still looking
usagi: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ This bet pays about 1.4% per month, and if im wrong, I still win
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (11%) on Yes, 595.49 B (89%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 day| weight: 25`962 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: doesn't inspire confidence? how so
usagi: TheNewDeal; it contains subjective terms open to post-interpretation
usagi: might toss something on the $10k bet
TheNewDeal: there's a 5k bet as well
TheNewDeal: no includes default of btc e
usagi: I should have been looking at that bet 8 months ago heh
usagi: But it would have had to have a much larger payout, this might be the sweet spot for the $10k bet
TheNewDeal: the thing about the 10k bet is
TheNewDeal: still very profitable for a high btc individual to bet as well
TheNewDeal: for instance, someone with 100 btc could reap a 3.8 % return
Vexual: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
Vexual 9 months
RagnarDanneskjol: ha - keep refreshing, it might come back
Vexual: kenilworth did their emi
Vexual: not sure if cause of efect, but they also renewed their exploration permits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00070521 = 12.3412 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: and...if.. they used the btc right, theres money left to drill
Vexual: kenilworth is actually looking better than it ever haz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]
Vexual: although, my tote had em at a pretty fucking longshot
fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-shuts-down-bitcoin-miners-upset-with-refund/
assbot: TerraHash shuts down, bitcoin miners upset with 50% refund
Vexual: owing paypal:bitcoin fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00070511 = 13.9612 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/margin-trading-crash-price-bitcoin/ << lulzy
assbot: Did Margin Trading Crash the Price of Bitcoin?
Vexual: cfderp
Vexual: cfdita
Vexual: whats next?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5300 @ 0.00101484 = 5.3787 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
BingoBoingo: !up usagi
usagi: I didn't know the terrahash failure was so spectacular
usagi: I guess terra is finally dead then.
usagi: get it? deadterra? yuk yuk
BingoBoingo: lol
Vexual: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvQ0W-NIQAQGvEJ.jpg
usagi: I warned him about getting in with the wrong crowd. Guess he didn't know who his friends were
ben_vulpes: Vexual ping
pankkake: Vexual bong
Vexual: ohai
ben_vulpes: Vexual: what's that pic from?
Vexual: its from twitter :)
Vexual: its a girl going to or from mt sinai or whatevr is called
ben_vulpes: cutie id like to meat
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/203-konstantin-ryabitsev/784544-linux-kernel-git-repositories-add-2-factor-authentication
assbot: Linux Kernel Git Repositories Add 2-Factor Authentication | Linux.com
Vexual: the one in persia
Vexual: !up usagi
Vexual: twoup
Vexual: etymlogical root of "the pennies drop"
Vexual: also "what goes up must come down"
xmj: alright, so I found this:
xmj: http://anonhq.com/is-monsanto-the-new-cannabis-supplier-in-town/
assbot: Is Monsanto The New Cannabis Supplier In Town? AnonHQ
xmj: Soon we'll have GMO cannabis on the cheap, all the hipsters and Nassim Taleb will bitch about it
xmj: and I'll chucklingly watch.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20800 @ 0.0000525 = 1.092 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: lol
Vexual: roundup resistant ganja? i think someones trolling
Vexual: perhaps they will change their modus operendi and make a version that grows in africa easily without pesticides
Vexual: wait...
Vexual: agent orange resistant coca perhaps?
xmj: Vexual: sickness-defying GMO'd opium potty
Vexual: potty?
xmj: whatever the plant you make opium from
xmj: eh poppy
Vexual: ah
Naphex: poppy seeds?
Naphex: ;o
Vexual: its prolly hard to usefully gm an o where the o has been selectively bred for so many generations, unless you include a new selection criteria
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6836 @ 0.0007054 = 4.8221 BTC [+]
Vexual: theyve made high yeilding maize and shit
Vexual: and monsanto has prolly fed a lot of people
Vexual: but mapping genomes is about as advanced as blockchain.info taint analysis
Vexual: just a little bit shitter than their mixing service
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00362281 = 1.3441 BTC [-] {6}
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 370.0, Best ask: 373.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 370.0, 24 hour volume: 150.20365524, 24 hour low: 340.0, 24 hour high: 370.0, 24 hour vwap: 354.3870935
xmj: Vexual: Monsanto strikes the hypocritical white progressives as bad due to their feeding people.
xmj: it's an example of market forces at work without redistribution; of course they don't like that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11138 @ 0.000053 = 0.5903 BTC [+]
Vexual: i think you are right, but many of the biggest ethical questions arise where dna meets patent law
Vexual: and that is a whole other level
Vexual: personally, i prefer a popescuist view; he who can send owns
Vexual: ;;timetonext
gribble: 32832.0
Vexual: ;;calc 32832/360
gribble: 91.2
Vexual: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23761047900.1 based on data since last change | 25481337320.0 based on data for last three days
Vexual: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.19, Best ask: 488.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.81000, Last trade: 487.19, 24 hour volume: 31400.25076534, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
RagnarDanneskjol: https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10138/135742
assbot: Essays in quantitative analysis of the effects of market imperfections on asset returns
Vexual: care to offer a quick dissertation Ragnar?
RagnarDanneskjol: be moar vigilant with teh monies
Vexual: be moar vincent nega
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
Vexual: example
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45177 @ 0.00070526 = 31.8615 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.00070455 = 1.4253 BTC [-]
Vexual: did you read it rygar?
RagnarDanneskjol: "Financial assets prices are not always in perfect equi- librium and deviate from their fundamental values. The dramatic rise and fall of the stock market raises concern about the rationality of sudden changes in stock valu- ations. The mispricing of assets contributes to financial crises, which can damage the overall economy. This dissertation analyses the effect of market imperfections
RagnarDanneskjol: at different time horizons." - I only got through the first essay. " Financial assets prices are not always in perfect equi- librium and deviate from their fundamental values. The dramatic rise and fall of the stock market raises concern about the rationality of sudden changes in stock valu- ations. The mispricing of assets contributes to financial crises, which can damage the overall
RagnarDanneskjol: economy. This dissertation analyses the effect of market imperfections at different time horizons.""
RagnarDanneskjol: its relatively comprehensible cf. to a lot of academic financial dissertations I come across. I learn more about bitcoin from these sources than i would any "analyst" in the btc space
Vexual: what of me?
Vexual: if i might
RagnarDanneskjol: pls clarify
Vexual: well i tought i might give an example of some concepts i garner from that collectionfor your further thought
RagnarDanneskjol: go right ahead, I just lurk here
Vexual: i was hoping this analysis might be interactive
Naphex: :))
RagnarDanneskjol: afraid I cant be too interactive tonight - I'm kinda in the middle of a few things and terribly behind schedule
Vexual: ive only read the abstract
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 150 @ 0.012715 = 1.9073 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: raiding france for mayonnaise?
Vexual: its egg and vinegar
Vexual: Hi duffer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1961 @ 0.00081 = 1.5884 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: oh hey man
Duffer1: my stomach isn't a basketball anymore
Vexual: i assume thats a good thing
Duffer1: appendectomy last week, i was pretty swollen
Vexual: did you die?
Duffer1: nope, i got very lucky, it ruptured, but didn't get infected
Vexual: fuck
Vexual: you must gave some pain tolerence to burst
Vexual: can i kick you in the nuts?
Duffer1: it was quite painful, and i refused pain meds until the ct scan results came back and the dr said "your appendix is all messed up, we're transfering you to a different hospital, ambulance is en route, take pain meds now"
Vexual: and youre all like meah wait till i finish this blunt
Duffer1: ha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.00375092 = 0.6114 BTC [+] {4}
Vexual: can't keep a good man down
Duffer1: ^.^
Vexual: its good youre not dead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.02523161 = 0.6308 BTC [-]
Duffer1: i appreciate that, i'm glad i'm not dead too :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00070493 = 11.1026 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3078 @ 0.00109954 = 3.3844 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: hi
jurov: hi nubbins`
nubbins`: i see charlie shrem is selling a lot of casascius coins on the forums these days
nubbins`: i find myself questioning the wisdom of buying them :0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.0127999 = 0.5504 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you around for a bit?
thestringpuller: what do you charge for shirts?
thestringpuller: setup fee + etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00070455 = 2.7477 BTC [-]
TomServo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes The OTC link on your page still points to benkay's OTC profile.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TomServo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski On "Who are we? Not nationals." footnote i.: s/self-refertiality/self-referentiality
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00070454 = 7.8204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00070633 = 13.279 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://www.wired.com/2014/08/gyroscope-listening-hack/ ha
assbot: The Gyroscopes in Your Phone Could Let Apps Eavesdrop on Conversations | Threat Level | WIRED
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.78092363 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 672.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,860.
[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 682.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,859.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.00467089 = 1.1677 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00269829 = 0.5666 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10560 @ 0.00070641 = 7.4597 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.42, Best ask: 486.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 487.36, 24 hour volume: 19861.58716992, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 472.817569834
mircea_popescu: dude i leave for a day and where is the two digit bitcoin!
mike_c: i think the sale is almost over
jurov: hi mircea
jurov: btw i thought the DERP is not finished yet as F.DERP is not listed and only two derivatives
jurov: so i did no advertising yet
jurov: what's the situation there?
mircea_popescu: jurov well sitll planning to have it online this month.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah i imagine tomorrow will be teh day of mourning for teh would be manipulateurs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00070794 = 1.2389 BTC [+]
nubbins`: thestringpuller it's around $60-65 before i'll even pick up a squeegee
thestringpuller: nubbins`: can you elaborate?
thestringpuller: like 60-65 per shirt?
thestringpuller: or 60-65 one time fee?
nubbins`: oh, no, 60-65 for shirt number one
thestringpuller: okay then what is it per shirt after that?
nubbins`: depends on a few factors, anywhere from 6-12-ish
nubbins`: type of shirt, total quantity, number of colors, whether i think you'll be a repeat customer, whether you've ever hit on my wife, whether the artwork is ready, etc
novusordo: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082
assbot: Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com
mike_c: ^ don't tell whoever added 37 PH/s over the last two weeks. they'll be pissed.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 477.7, Best ask: 479.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.26000, Last trade: 480.0, 24 hour volume: 20189.94635126, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 473.16123994
ben_vulpes: TomServo: got it, thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 12.14387328 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1056 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79894304 BTC to 14`116 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00070439 = 1.5497 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mike_c novusordo : the comments in that article is priceless
thestringpuller: "I wish I had a bitcoin for every one of these bitcoins is dead articles I've read over the past year and a half."
thestringpuller: wait i do!
thestringpuller: XD
mike_c: heh
TheNewDeal: damn
TheNewDeal: that's a lot of bitcoin
thestringpuller: or i haven't read a lot of bitcoin is dead articles
TheNewDeal: ahhh true
thestringpuller: ;;gpginfo
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;keyinfo
gribble: Error: "keyinfo" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;gpg
gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11001 @ 0.00070424 = 7.7473 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37698 @ 0.0007035 = 26.5205 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: nubbins`: was trying to find a direct link to my key
pankkake: https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/2dxuqw/be_careful_seals_users_coinbase_has_blocked_me/
assbot: Be Careful Seals Users: Coinbase has blocked me because of gambling (x-post from /r/sealswithclubs) : poker
thestringpuller: nubbins`: whether you've ever hit my wife << ??? this has happened?!?!?
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: ;;eregister
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ^-- tylander
thestringpuller: ;;more
gribble: will expire in 10 minutes.
thestringpuller: ;;ls
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
thestringpuller: ;;google something something darkside
gribble: Something, Something, Something, Dark Side - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something,_Something,_Something,_Dark_Side>; Family guy Emperor something something..... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiUitciuJ8>; "Family Guy" Something, Something, Something, Dark Side (TV ...: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329665/>
thestringpuller: etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 550 @ 0.00104055 = 0.5723 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !up tylander
tylander: ;;eregister nick D40DAE000726DA10
gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
tylander: ;;eregister tylander D40DAE000726DA10
gribble: Request successful for user tylander, hostmask tylander!~tylander@71-14-6-178.static.gwnt.ga.charter.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/D40DAE000726DA10
TheNewDeal: nice
tylander: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:19d3db6508f756400711a3a327477025318798cdec657a0889201262
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user tylander with key D40DAE000726DA10
thestringpuller: ;;rate tylander 4 real life coworker; greatest intern alive
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user tylander has been recorded.
kakobrekla: !s armory phone home
assbot: 1 results for 'armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=armory+phone+home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00070471 = 11.0639 BTC [+] {2}
tylander: !up
tylander: !up tylander
kakobrekla: you are as high as it goes.
thestringpuller: tylander /msg assbot !up
thestringpuller: he's on the 30 minute timer
thestringpuller: @ kakobrekla
TheNewDeal: I wish I was that high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2547 @ 0.00070473 = 1.7949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00070593 = 3.5417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00070565 = 0.9879 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.00464219 = 1.1605 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 220 @ 0.00468908 = 1.0316 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: thestringpuller: hit *on* my wife.
nubbins`: but, now that i think of it, there's also a hefty surcharge if you've ever hit my wife
thestringpuller: Oh. Is the "hit on my wife" fee waived for mircea_popescu ?
nubbins`: not too many people in that particular category tho
nubbins`: thestringpuller, mp has not yet hit on my wife
thestringpuller: lol
nubbins`: but anyway, yeah, sliding scale
nubbins`: more info = more useful quote
thestringpuller: one color, black shirt, 6-12 shirts
thestringpuller: ~ medium
thestringpuller: graphic is done just need "printer's specs"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8897 @ 0.00070565 = 6.2782 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 137 @ 0.01299801 = 1.7807 BTC [+] {8}
nubbins`: 6 @ $18ea, 12 @ $13ea
nubbins`: cheap gildan shirts, $2 less
nubbins`: american apparels, $1.50 more
nubbins`: shipping not included :D
TheNewDeal: slanging some t-shirts nubbins` ?
nubbins`: prolly not, but who knows :D
thestringpuller: very possibly
thestringpuller: okay so 50 for setup fees
thestringpuller: is that per screen?
nubbins`: eh, not exactly. setup involves a few different things
nubbins`: extra colors are a flat $15 screen burning fee plus $0.85 per shirt
thestringpuller: okay so the first shirt it always 65?
thestringpuller: is*
nubbins`: always and forever
thestringpuller: or is that a deposit?
nubbins`: total
thestringpuller: first shirt ever? or first shirt for that line
nubbins`: i uh
nubbins`: you're making this so complicated :D
thestringpuller: :D dats meeee
thestringpuller: I gots lotsa questions
nubbins`: no kidding :D
TheNewDeal: do you have any finished products? can I see an example
nubbins`: nobody wants just one shirt, so it's kind of silly to give you prices based on that
nubbins`: much more sensible to quote for a reasonably-sized order
TheNewDeal: 65$ for one shirt?!!? what kind of scam is this?!!?
thestringpuller: LOL
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, facebook.com/pinkeye, pinkeyeprints.com, etc
thestringpuller: i'm trying to see if it's 65 + 13 * (shirt number)
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: call a local screenprint shop, ask for one shirt, see what they say
thestringpuller: or 13 * shirt number + setup fee + ink fees
thestringpuller: etc
thestringpuller: just tryin to understand the fee schedule
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1446.16 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00070583 = 10.658 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: I only see books and zines
nubbins`: 50+(15*C)+(N*7)+(N*0.85*C) where C is number of colors/prints and N is number of shirts
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: FB has more pictures of custom shirts etc
TheNewDeal: there we go
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 198333.42 in 1890 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.44
thestringpuller: nubbins`: cool!
thestringpuller: nubbins`: what is shipping ~ 15?
nubbins`: not sure offhand, depends on size of order
nubbins`: 5-10 per shirt maybe
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Apple stock to close at over $100 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/956/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.5013 BTC. Current weight: 68,215.
thestringpuller: very possibly doable
thestringpuller: we'll try you out for a set of shirts see if we can move it
nubbins`: 50% up-front, remainder + shipping due on delivery.. you know where to find me :D
thestringpuller: :D nubbins` is such a nice artist
nubbins`: oh you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28007 = 0.8402 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.27152519 = 4.3444 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27050118 = 0.541 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27 = 2.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.27000999 = 2.7001 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 65 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6401 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4523 @ 0.00070593 = 3.1929 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.01291 = 0.5293 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for Yes on "Apple stock to close at over $100 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/956/ Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.9013 BTC. Current weight: 68,187.
TheNewDeal: last minute dive?
kakobrekla: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 9 hours, 16 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting
TheNewDeal: I've been locked up in that damn apple bet for almost a month yet
fluffypony: davout has died?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 38 @ 0.022 = 0.836 BTC
thestringpuller: wait davout is actually dead?
thestringpuller: oh
thestringpuller: figure of speech
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00070476 = 13.9387 BTC [-] {4}
FabianB: so blockr has been aquired by coinbase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7004 @ 0.00070341 = 4.9267 BTC [-]
fluffypony: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140817.png
fluffypony: FabianB: yesterday's news :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 495 @ 0.001041 = 0.5153 BTC [+]
FabianB: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00070291 = 7.8726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070212 = 5.7925 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: liking that comic fluffypony
fluffypony: :)
asciilifeform: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082 (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.'
assbot: Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com
TheNewDeal: What happened to the NASDAQ? Answer: it's being propped up on stilts
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: dats raycus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0007019 = 2.3865 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01255309 = 0.6277 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11505 @ 0.00070144 = 8.0701 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so you can only miss the chance to sell 10k 3 times or something? << that was going the other way.
kakobrekla: i kno.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker.
gribble: Error: "ticker." is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.96, Best ask: 488.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 488.4, 24 hour volume: 18059.81647100, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 479.000378688
mircea_popescu: the problem being that going the other way is a) unduly expensive and b) shockingly ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: but i guess i was giving the bright financial minds on the other side of the tug rope undue credit for being absolutely intelligent so as to know.
mircea_popescu: or mebbe some knew but the group as a whole got desperate enough.
mircea_popescu: i won't know for a while yet, so ah well.
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year. <<< usagi has been firing up all his old names?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
mircea_popescu: lol doubt it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070291 = 4.6744 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: so what are you saying about buying 10k? you only have a few chances to do it before the price skyrockets up or what?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/08/tesla-motors-inc-accused-of-organized-crime/ lol, either these guys are running out of ways to make the price move... or Musk is an OG
assbot: Tesla Motors Inc Accused Of "Organized Crime"
fluffypony: he's South African, of course he's an OG
ThickAsThieves: lets use "quotes" on words for no reason
ThickAsThieves: i guess they might be quoting a person
asciilifeform: 'Lithium ion batteries blog up if they get wet or bumped.'
asciilifeform asks his batteries if they blog.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu got the skill level eulora prize too, here is proof and the address at the end, thank you http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/
assbot: Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia
asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp why hatchet jobs are necessary against electromobiles - they do a fine job sucking on their own
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23464 @ 0.00070128 = 16.4548 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16722 @ 0.00070309 = 11.7571 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/19/6044403/derp-research-partnership-launched-by-reddit-twitch-imgur-fark-stack-exchange
assbot: Reddit, Twitch, and Imgur have created a research partnership called DERP | The Verge
fluffypony: mircea_popescu should sue
thestringpuller: fluffypony: hahaha! of course he is OG.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28912058 = 0.8674 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol
mircea_popescu: http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-4183 << now this is an interesting point.
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: do we have any reason to suspect bitcoin will bring about by and large more prosperous societies in the sense of people affording better friends ?