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trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. can't stop the bits from leaking; can however simply let the owner of an account know every time something happens, so he can yell at me before I do the next batch of withdrawals if he didn't do it.
trinque: cute backyard tiki torches. I wonder if they got the citronella ones, useful for keeping skeeters away from your /pol/ flash mob.
shinohai:
http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible"
☟︎ shinohai: Theonly 2 fixes proffered require AT LEAST one week to implement
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:45 shinohai:
http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible"
mircea_popescu: it's your racist victim that stood in the way of black code matters and progress and spice and everything nice.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697556 << the funny thing is that there's not enough of them by now. same exact thing happened to the german communists in the 30s. "folks this is the end", ie, "we used to think we're right because we're many, and now we're not many, and that's all we had."
☝︎ mircea_popescu: and otherwise, in their own fucking idiota i mean "idioma", it goes like so : "con fuerza y corage dicimos adios". this. this is 100% argentina, brave, brave, brave sir robert turned about and galantly he chickened out... brave brave brave recursos humanos...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:14 asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin )
mircea_popescu: it is also a very typical difference, symbolic enough to go on our fucking flag. "the empire makes a test and then goes through parts until it finds one that goes through ; the republic makes a part and tests it until it is certain to be correct."
mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:16 asciilifeform: ( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe the spawner is the same mother-of-idiocy, always pregnant, always knees spread, that spawned everythiong they do, from "voting" to "gpg"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it would seem an 8ball usable for 4kb rsa key verification would be exceedinglty large.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean the disk size of the 8ball, i mean the size of the largest prime in it
mircea_popescu: a yes. a mb or so's worth is good to have. afaik all rsa impls have some small primes. heck, peterl's gossiptron had a list.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, wouldn't it be len(factorial)/log(len(factorial)) ? :D
mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: diana_coman, hanbot, trinque, bingoboingo, mod6, danielpbarron, mike_c, asciilifeform, davout, ben_vulpes, phf, lobbes, mike_c, jurov, peterl, pete_dushenski ^
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 14:54 mircea_popescu: 257, 258, 515.
mircea_popescu: tmsr rsa standard key is 515 bits, made out of a 257 and a 258 bit long prime.
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hanbot: <mircea_popescu> this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. << is this right (up to 2900)?
http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9lxGb/?raw=true mircea_popescu is not going to comment re right or wrong for teh obvious reason!
mircea_popescu: and an update when the 128 computer hits the shelves ?
mircea_popescu: answer the q then! when a 128 bit computer is sold, ffa word will ahve to increase to 128 bits ?
mircea_popescu: this has been the worst explanation of a rationale in recorded history. care to do it over ?
mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and then why can't we use 32 bit aritm on 64 bit machine ?
mircea_popescu: turns out my mock-rewrite was more on point than originally thought.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:44 mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and if your key isn't 2^n, further computers will wreak havoc on deployed code by requiring non-dividing Ns.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and then you're going to compute 192 keys on 256 bits, and wonder why the fuck are you not using 256.
mircea_popescu: which is how "it's either 4096 bits long or get lost" ends up in there.
mircea_popescu: because 4096 will accomodate all computers up to 4096 bit ones.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-22 23:21 asciilifeform: bit-serial cpu is meaningfully and interestingly unlike anything that came before (or, afaik, after.)
mircea_popescu is really pissy that "gotta use trad width keys" ended up imposed on him!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, it is not, in that it would simplify routines. that's what makes it an aesthetic non-choice.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:56 mircea_popescu is really pissy that "gotta use trad width keys" ended up imposed on him!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:50 mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, consider the catechistic angle. "soo... why is your key 515 byts ?" "i dunno, his lordship mp said so" "why ?" "nobody knoiws, really. he just says things." "so how do you calculate it ?" "first, you set ffa to 520 bytes..." "why did he say 515 then ?" "uh... that's a good question."
mircea_popescu: re exponent, it's traditionally 0101 because cheaper calcs.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i am sad, but defeated. the dream has to die, it's what it is. so regretfully... 4096 keys.
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: I am still digesting logs, did you guys agree on a bit size for the primorial you want?
PeterL: oh, wait, nevermind, that is wrong
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:57 mircea_popescu: no, it is not, in that it would simplify routines. that's what makes it an aesthetic non-choice.
PeterL: (I forgot to increment a variable, so the first number is just 2*(a big exponent of 3) )
PeterL: could be the next prime would put it over the limit, right?
PeterL: (I was using 4160 bits as the limit)
PeterL: what limit do you want?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111000101 ? or rather something more like 1100111110111010111111000100100010011101001010001000100100011001 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it means there's no space for choosing, as there's an obvious right thing.
mircea_popescu: or at least show some logic whatsoever. "it's sometimes better", anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with HAVING it. and people can use it. BUT for rsa we should use the even one.
mircea_popescu: (at least we get this much from the sadness : if anyone asks "why 4096" user can link here._
PeterL: fight specificity of didling, use odd machine word size!
mircea_popescu: PeterL that lemma refers to domain borders. there's no border re hardware.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, if you have satellite you already have internet ?
mircea_popescu: uh. really ? 1 way from owned source ? and how do you check for splits ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:08 mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who the fuck would depend on a satellite. for one thing they keep falling.
mircea_popescu: now it's more expensive than mining. cuz gotta airforce one it
a111: Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
mircea_popescu: tru fact : you can take down satellites TODAY. as an individual effort.
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't have to be fast or anything. nor does it need payload.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. different work to PUT satellite in orbit, and to send it an old bit of spanish grapeshot
mircea_popescu: but yes, glonass slightly better than usg sats because of orbit style.
mircea_popescu: i literally mean, dig up an old bit of grapeshot from age of sail, send it up.,
mircea_popescu: 2 stage, a 1-200kg booster thing to get it in gross range and a 2-3kg thing to power the last 100 grame spiked ball to the actual satellite
mircea_popescu: the cost per ton of this (materials, excluding labour and knowledge) is under 100 bux.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the general point : satellite comms are a very limited thing, and will definitely go the same way the old roman dinner (ie, fuckfest) went once the medievals discovered syphilis.
mircea_popescu: then again, sept 11 marked the end of vhs-america. the remainder usg-sadness is not even at the level of hruschev's "reformed cccp"
mircea_popescu: and of course as women are the social scar tissue, this is going to end up with yet another "oh, it's THEIR fault!!!", like every historical case to date.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is the important point of having defeated the usg flailing attempts to prevent actual fee market from developping : it will WORK.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : watching the sun is not harmful to the eye.
mircea_popescu: if it were, life would have evolved... A DIFFERENT FUCKING EYE
BingoBoingo: Eh, there's probably a difference between eye taking in sunlight and focusing the lens apparatus of the eye directly at the sun.
mircea_popescu: so what does the animal do, go blind every time it sees the sun ?
mircea_popescu: yes, concave mirrors and lenses can blind you. but if the sun itself is a problem then you're a lifefrom from a different planet.
mircea_popescu: somehow this has evolved from "im an old woman, nobody wants to pay attention to me, let me nag people" to "don't stare at the sun" to "omfg SUN IS DANGEROUS!" and it will never fucking end.
BingoBoingo: Well, much of humanity is more stupid than the rest of the animals. Likely will continue staring well beyond point pain receptors yell to cease and decist.
BingoBoingo: If we have learned anything from the Roger Ver-ified tribe, it is that there is a portion of the idiocy which will stare at the sun, for however long it takes the moon to transit. From this the nags and bags get their power. All it takes is one stuple to set all the nags off.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. maybe some people actually should be blind.
BingoBoingo: The nags are too deaf to hear that. Too much Maury/CNN/kennedy exposure.
BingoBoingo: They can't get those language abilities back
mircea_popescu: for their daughters. who the fuck cares about the bags now.
mircea_popescu: maybe just "dun listen to old bags, they make you deaf and dumb"
deedbot: scatha voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Gold: " The Rust Evangelism Strike Force recommends several resources for people who would like to poorly reimplement other unix tools."
BingoBoingo: Umbrella saga continues www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8676
BingoBoingo: Well, at this point Baltimore ~= Internment Camp, at the very least Ghetto in the 1940s sense
mircea_popescu: the direct equivalent would be argentarded shopkeepers "declining to sell".
BingoBoingo: Oh, USian shopkeeps do that all the time too!
BingoBoingo: Most of the grocery stores have the eclipse things here. Cardboard 3D glasses type things with ~shade 13 filter and lots of small print about "no more than 3 minutes continuous use"
mircea_popescu: did i ever tell you the story of the progressive tea shop in timisoara ?
mircea_popescu: some douchebag opened a tea house, with a lot of verbiage about how relaxing and progressive and everything it is, and how it goes in other places and you know, brimming with the imbecile self-satisfaction of the nemtsov.
mircea_popescu: tea was served in cups on trays. it's ok for tea to come in teabags, what. the trays also included alarm clocks set for whatever minutes a 10-bux-an-hour pinoy randomly put on the mass produced "fair trade" crappy teabags. 6 or 7 or 3 or whatever.
mircea_popescu: consequently this idiot's teahouse was constantly ringing of alarms on multiple voices from multiple points.
mircea_popescu: this is the typical end product of the imbecile "just the facts" "i am equpped to think for myself" ustard.
mircea_popescu: some cheap plastic, a lot fo fine print and getting in everyone's way/
mircea_popescu: (for the record, the difference between the nemtsov and the pantsuit is that while they both represent the herdemocracy side, the pantsuit is ineffectual, lazy, effete citizen, whereas the nemtsov is hardy, insistent, ambitious orc born outside the walls.)
shinohai: "I believe Mircea Popescu has gravely miscalculated. Either he has been coloring his own BTC within the danger period (i.e. being careful of the lineage of the BTC obtained in recent times), else his BTC is also susceptible to being stolen. Otherwise, he would need vast mining resources to maintain his own fork or he would need to penalize/bribe miners to not steal his BTC where it is so encumbered. He can
shinohai: penalize by selling the fork and buying another honest one, but he will need sufficient mining resources and other significant BTC holders to enjoin him in this fight. Rather I think most astute BTC holders will realize this is the end of the paradigm and liquidate.'
shinohai: I honestly think anonymint uses crystal meth
mircea_popescu: a better exercise would be if any/all these webexperts actually bothered to sit down and derive their conclusions from prime notions.
shinohai: Some derp on tardstalk linked me to it in a PM ... wouldnt be surprised if he has spammed them to dpb too
mircea_popescu is persuaded they;d bit flip A FEW TIMES in the process.
mircea_popescu: shinohai so tell him to come over an' explain himself ?
shinohai: Sent him a msg, may be lulzy if he shows.
BingoBoingo: Lol, steemit wants a PHONE NUMBER to post a comment!
danielpbarron: i did get a pm on tardtalk recently but i didn't log in to read it; just saw the notification email
BingoBoingo: "According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, (fuck them, but they've done good research into him), Jason Kessler was previously involved with the Occupy Movement and was an ardent Obama supporter through both terms."
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mircea_popescu: um. "The goal is to turn peaceful protests violent, and spark a Civil War." i don't get it, how is this a bad thing ?
mircea_popescu: is the "i just wanted to" right opposed at the "i just wanted to left" removal as being too radical ? after all, they DO "just want to" undisturbed ? or what ?
shinohai: Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd ... there's yer answer asciilifeform