tmsr - Log 2017-05-24

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if this is a latrine you go to every day, put a chainless ballcock in it and be done with it

asciilifeform: takes all of 20bux and 20min

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like yet another mud

hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657550 << searching (to no avail!) for a non-es keyboard the other day, i ran into, and did a double-take of, a radio shack here in cr. i had no idea they'd even squeaked by. no liquidation here (yet?). ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 20:48 asciilifeform: not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y

mircea_popescu: most us corps sell their name to local operators in the third world where the peons still believe us > crap.

asciilifeform: they have a handful of 'franchise' shops in usa also

asciilifeform: these are still alive, but 1) get 0 new inventory, at least not from the old mothership 2) will be asked to change their name, if/when somebody buys the old one

asciilifeform: hanbot: this is still lulzy given as i was quite certain that all foreign rat shacks used the brand 'tandy' and vanished in late '80s

asciilifeform: what's inside ?

asciilifeform: can haz photo of 1 ?

asciilifeform: ty hanbot

asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, asciilifeform found that 1) most recent manufacture dates of batteries sold for classic thinkpads are all ~2013 2) mircea_popescu was unfortunately wrong, chinese LiIon cells have ~not~ improved, they have cheapened further still, expected useful life of a battery is ~year (less, with heavy use)

asciilifeform: 3) cheap (couplea hundy usd) tab-welders are shite

asciilifeform: 4) useful shelf life of a li-ion cell is <4y

asciilifeform: news at 11

asciilifeform: 'the territory is better than the map, but it won't fit in your glove compartment'

mircea_popescu: eh, get better suppliers. the chinese only sell the good shit to people who can curse in 4 syllables.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you can get ballcocks with 0 chain and 0 arm

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i install these everywhere i move into

asciilifeform: it comes with a bowden cable as actuator

asciilifeform: and new flush knob to go with it, resembles bicycle brake

asciilifeform: 0 things to tangle inside tank.

asciilifeform: the neatest imho aspect is that it works IN REVERSE also

asciilifeform: can abort a flush.

asciilifeform: (go and PUSH a chain, lol)

asciilifeform: i have nfi who makes these where ben_vulpes lives

asciilifeform: i have a generic chinese one

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope, that looks like a chain valve

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: Danco HYR271T looks sorta like what i've here

asciilifeform: ( though mine has not so many parts )

asciilifeform: ok, found mine, it's the FLT231T

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^

asciilifeform: be sure to lather the rubber throat with heavy plumber's grease when you put the thing in, or it'll eventually leak.

asciilifeform: ( it has this flexible throat thing so as to fit every possible tank arse )

asciilifeform: oh and : bring a hacksaw, often ancient flush lever has the nut rusted solid, you will not be able to turn it out, gotta slice through the 'antikythera'

asciilifeform: be aware, you ~will~ have to calibrate the float.

asciilifeform: or you will get the dreaded double-gurgle

asciilifeform: 'tis indeed the 'gentoo of toilet valve'.

asciilifeform: aaaha.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what, incidentally, is 'the mighty blaster' ?

ben_vulpes: as in "child, the might blaster is for lubricating and unfreezing bolts, not eating"

asciilifeform: dunno, my tank's lever nut was a veritable antikythera, wholly solid ball of rust.

asciilifeform: incidentally, wtf is the reason why a ~public~ shitter even has a tank & ballcock

asciilifeform: oughta have city pressure flush

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ought complain to obummer.

asciilifeform: hm i assumed it was, given the stories

ben_vulpes: the orifice is on a floor that once housed train station and train company employees

asciilifeform finds the history of the shitter a fascinating thing, in that it followed in same pattern as, e.g., small arms -- i.e. went through a peak of RIDICULOUS complexity before finally simplified into modern form.

ben_vulpes: in other hilarities that archive.is doesn't do an entirely perfect job of archiving: http://archive.is/hPlfc

asciilifeform: consider the -- quite malodorous -- 'pan closet', for instance. >> https://archive.is/VstFy << mechanical, moving parts, touched -- and slowly accumulated -- shit

asciilifeform: or in the other column, the maxim gun, dozens of small parts, like sewing machine

asciilifeform: or in the third column, the comp, still in its maxim/luger/pancloset phase.

asciilifeform: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/43/main/3/81842.jpg << this is a 'bramah' shitter.

asciilifeform: ( 1700s ! but doesn't it look quite 'steampunk'... )

asciilifeform: the key insight, to use water as the SOLE moving part inside the shit-contacting subunit of the device, took ~200y from the first 'water closets' of modern europe...

asciilifeform: see also 'plumbing practice', j. w. clarke, 1888

asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/cu31924004127696 << believe or not ☟︎

asciilifeform: ^ mega-b00k.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 4 -- loose

mircea_popescu: that silbert schmuck is on his what, 5th "oh, i will change the world" hear him roar only to be used as a cum rag ?

mircea_popescu: i suppose if you're going to be an ustardian empire spearhead, it helps to have no shame and no memory.

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2320.26, vol: 15251.95166263 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2287.001, vol: 10267.24658 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2310.7, vol: 24441.24751909 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2319.857349, vol: 19171.30910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2290.001, vol: 8037.75254521 | Volume-weighted last average: 2309.55537833

asciilifeform: in other http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660095 lulz, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAhfSVJXsAA4uId.jpg ☝︎

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a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 03:36 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/cu31924004127696 << believe or not

Framedragger: /r/mtgoxinsolvency is full of "this is sufficient for end of insolvency" and (quoting) "Karpeles is working on a solution!"

mircea_popescu: what fucking part of "usg stole all bitcoin you gave to mtgox long ago" isn't quite plain.

trinque: yeah, when somebody steals my wife, whores her out, then keeps money, returns wife, that's whole.

asciilifeform: returns not wife, but the shit of the pig that her corpse was fed to

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asteroid ?

mircea_popescu: basically, what's going on here is, the STORY of life wouldn't make sense, ~as a story~, ie it wouldn't be put on tv, if there wasn't a twist here.

mircea_popescu: and as far as these idiots are concerned, 100% of "life" experience comes from tv and such stories, and therefore it logically follows that yes, pretty good ods heel to face turn etc.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing specific. just likew "Karpeles is working on a solution!". what, i can run for miss dumbland just as well as a fat fuck.

asciilifeform: and i had nfi that there were reddit terminals in jp jail

mircea_popescu: eh, jail. here's a secret : nobody wants to keep anyone ion jail, it's expensive.

mircea_popescu: the lengthy pile opf chairs that is "our democracy" falls apart the moment you kick any prior out.

asciilifeform: i still dun get why the usd exchange rate of btc would matter to the mtgox proceedings

asciilifeform: even in theory

trinque: the idiots propose they be paid USD at prior value for their imaginary once btc holdings

mircea_popescu: this is how they argue with their insignificant others : "oh, i was miss ohio state when i married oyu! i want a couch!"

asciilifeform: also what would one have to smoke, to believe that there's any btc, usd, zimbabwe dollars, dubloons, etc. left in the smoking ruin.

mircea_popescu: no, no, they don't care about the physical reality. the mental articulation is "1. i have claim ; 2. mommy makes good".

mircea_popescu: see, they never lived this experience where they go on horseback, run into vienna, rape some girls.

mircea_popescu: they had this experience where their computer game crashed and mommy bought them another one, because it was their xmas gift or w/e, ie they had THE CLAIM. and then made whole.

mircea_popescu: that's the mechanism, very fundamentally imago-logic. this for that, this stands for that, etc.

mircea_popescu: the physical realisation of the socialist/idiot's dreamed world is NO CONCERN OF HIS.

mircea_popescu: and this follows very strioctly ands quite necessarily from the workings of moderity / ourdemocracy. what do you need to get into the train ? not the physical ability, the PRIOR CLAIM. restaurant ? anything. and this on top of very extensive "parenting" in the form of mothering.

mircea_popescu: 18 years is excessive, yet they regard it as nearly criminally short. 25 more the norm.

mircea_popescu: the mtgox idiots frankly don't see why their situation should be any different from the situation of those fyre festival idiots. why are THOSE getting refunds and free tickets "next time" ?

trinque: and when the handful of accidental males start bouncing off the walls at 15, pills

mircea_popescu: well yes, because... cheaper than jail, lol. which is cheaper than, you've guessed it, trying to actually live in physical world.

mircea_popescu: gotta be teh dreamers, that's the only way the batshit insane expectations of 8 bn heros in their own stories can be "satisfied" after a fashion. ☟︎

asciilifeform: physical world 'ain't made of rubber'

asciilifeform: only so-much room. and long time no worldwar.

mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/j2mgG/?raw=true << this chick seriously imagines ima... actually let's take it by parts. this chick imagines that the fact she's not held an actual conversation ~is someone else's fault!~. she imagines someone's going to cut his beard for her dumb ass, not even as a hope but as an expectation, and she imagines she'll get free tickets.

mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck ? because yet another pancakeface "working in" bullshit she absolutely does not understand / has no business fucking with ?

mircea_popescu: yes. in so many words, exactly, and i also bet you that not only she didn't read the link, but she imagines that if she had read it she'd be doing me a favour, and more properly speaking she should be paid to read it.

mircea_popescu: i don't mean, "read and comprehend and allign mental space to it", no way. just the comprehend would be extra, in the sense of i dunno, a fucking ferrari. no, just you know, clicking on it and then forgetting about the tab. something like that.

mircea_popescu: then idiots make business plans including advertising budgets. to reach these psychos. why ? how's it supposed to even work ?

mircea_popescu: (and yes, it's literally psychosis, complete and utter derealisation + delusions of insertion)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do you find these ??

asciilifeform: i suppose you can have weekly-fresh-cunts XOR only-ever-talking-to-people-who-are-people ☟︎

asciilifeform: then why in satan's name interface with 2legged cockroaches

mircea_popescu: but, the reason i'm not nearly as "entomology"-inclined as moist folks here is because i have a very heavy undercurrent of "hey mr p! you gotta talk to his one."

mircea_popescu: what, am i going to become them ? take a more expensive, more exquisite path to the same derealization ? noty.

trinque: http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/#footnote_0_70544 << makes me think about one's own mind. if no large, esteemed node among the graph of meaning, psychosis.

mircea_popescu: anyway. so now imagine ~half of all the chicks her age are also blessed with her mentality and it should be plain obvious there's NO POSSIBILITY of satisfying them in any other way than through netflix. because, even if you bougth them all ferraris, through buying half a billion of the thing they wouldn't be veblen goods anymore and so no longer serve the purpose. because they don't want all this shit for itself ; they just w

mircea_popescu: ant it to try and use it to somehow plumb the endless depths of the chasm yawning inside, the horrid void of inexistence.

mircea_popescu: trinque it's what games are FOR. unlike trying to "gameify" reality for chrissakes, this is actually what games are for.

mircea_popescu: trinque that footnote relates directly to the earlier discussion re possiblity of meaning ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656354 ) specifically in the sense that war is unavoidable because... the agents can't... understand each other anymore. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.

mircea_popescu: "when trade stops war starts" is just an heuristic in this same vein. obviously if you can't negotiate prices you no longer have a meaningful basis.

trinque: clearly so. and behold, phf and I can't seem to parse messages, probably both wondering what the fuck the other intends by the character

mircea_popescu: this happened historically on trilema like on its first year of existence, even wrote about it.

trinque: whole matter came down to that, most recently. whole republican structure is a machine out of which flows truth, meaning, what have you

mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole tjhing with the "bretton woods agreement" / "our democracy peace and un" is an attempt to predicate the meaning on an authority predicated on the meaning, through the avenue of "we hate war". nice and good but can't work, and so it surprisingly does not work.

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trinque: phf: ftr, if ya stop the "now I think you're lying" when I'm an idiot, could shake your hand.

mircea_popescu: but the big deal is that it's not just bitcoin which, even in its sad prototype form, is a much better alternative to "currency" as understood currently ; it's that tmsr is actually a much better replacement for the united nations.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of sad prototypes : asciilifeform discovered ( and why did it have to be ' asciilifeform discovered ...' when other folx were nominally also testing...) that trb node with 'wires' still happily falls behind by 100s of blox, and never catches up,

asciilifeform: because why would it. iirc we had this thread, node ONLY CHECKS IF BEHIND when BOOTING !!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the dividends of intelligence. discussion with random brat was not worth having, until i had it, and then recounted it, and now it's worth it -- plenty of people who want to be writers or bloggers or whatever but the head doesn't help them would gladly pay moneyz for such "Content" as idle chatter hath produced.

asciilifeform: at all other times, blox are a 'push' mechanism. and naturally ~100% of all incoming pushing is prb idiocy

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think you discovered something we thoroughly discussed in chan lol.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link?

asciilifeform: no, speaking here of 'wires' patch

asciilifeform: turns out, the random 'push new blocks to peers' thing does not in fact work, aha, because they don't 'stay new' for very long

asciilifeform: so perma-connects by themselves make 0 measurable diff.

asciilifeform: hypothesis != conclusion

mircea_popescu: no. the "wires patch does little more than spam the log" conclusion was had about a week into the wires experiment.

asciilifeform: lol where ? on mircea_popescu's box, where he had nonstandard sshd and couldn't connect at all ?!

mircea_popescu: pretty sure you said so yourself, but kinda loath to dig through logs rightnao.

asciilifeform: sometimes i gotta wonder why i even bother to do experiments, when we could just write down mircea_popescu's hypothesis as result.

mircea_popescu: dood, no need to butthurt, i'm not proposing something liek wires should not exist.

asciilifeform: back to subj: a proper incarnation of 'wires' would , on both ends, ask 'what's yer height?' and in case of discrepancy, trade blox

asciilifeform: until this exists, asciilifeform does not recommend the use of 'wires' branch in battlefield.

asciilifeform: or further experiment with same.

asciilifeform: mod6 et al ^

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you dun recall you said ~same (ie, "dun use") coupla months ago or such ?

mircea_popescu: anyway ; the whole thing with block management hasta be redone, there's no way to separate strands. which is why work is ongoing from the other end, trying to figure out the proper foundation for storing blocks, and creating a storage engine model etc, ben_vulpes 's stuff.

mircea_popescu: once that is in place, a proper p2p mechanism can be built and trb will work way the fuck better than prb ever could.

mircea_popescu: starting this from the networking angle with a pastiche of ssh-perl is a bad idewa

asciilifeform: this was how i ended up entirely setting bozo bit on shitoshi's cpp turd.

asciilifeform: and incidentally i have the storage thing .

mircea_popescu: the parallels with diana_coman eating away at the ps atrocity for minigame are striking, by the way.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept. of can-also-have-problems : http://archive.is/dDrH7

mircea_popescu: lemme guess, pantsuit clown hitmen ? (in subsidiary, how can something be "discredited" "Conspiracy theories" before i even got to hear about it ? there's no minimum interval for discreditation ?)

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo an' lemme guess, some kulak elements, at putin's behest, are intermeddling in the legal attempts to bury the whole thing ? tsk tsk.

mircea_popescu: it's a sad day indeed for ourdemocracy when the panstuit clown can't even get away with her extrajudicial murders anymore

asciilifeform: # of arkencides prosecuted: still 0

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how are you going to prosecute "black man" ? collective personage.

asciilifeform: could likewise suggest prosecuting the bullet

asciilifeform: or the hole

mircea_popescu: by now the usgtronic bestiary is getting pretty well fleshed out. "black man" assassin and "latino hotel maid" lying-under-oath and so on.

asciilifeform: he's occupied with keeping own arse out of jail, lol

asciilifeform: # of successful appeals agains hawaiian judges overturning executive orders : 0

asciilifeform: # of nsa operatives publicly hung on meathook : 0

asciilifeform: only for dnc pay

asciilifeform: apparently!

mircea_popescu: aaanyway, let dorks figure out their own shit, what am i, free consultancy inc ?

diana_coman: mircea_popescu> the parallels with diana_coman eating away at the ps atrocity for minigame are striking, by the way. <- ha, catching up with the logs and I wanted to say precisely that!

mircea_popescu: anyway, re the hawaii "judge" lulz, /me is already preparing the popcorn for when the shoe will be on the other foot and libertards will be frothing at the mouth as to how THIS IS NOT ALLOWABLE!!! only democratic when does it for democratic party!!!1

mircea_popescu still recalls the 3 months of "oh, electoral college, bulwark of democracy" pre november, to be followed by endless stream of "oh, antiquated institution, holds back ourdemocracy paradise" hence.

asciilifeform: patient only got 1 foot

mircea_popescu: anyway, the ratchet's been going one way only. the whole pretend-republic is ever less sustainable. the rest...

ben_vulpes: just overheard from veen: "consumer does not have access to self. my favorite error message."

asciilifeform: where'd he go, anyway

asciilifeform: !~seen veen

asciilifeform: !#seen veen

a111: 2017-03-16 <veen> the man-handling happened at the helm of the challenger, much much smaller airframe

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/24/a-few-alternatives-to-nice/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A few alternatives to “nice.”

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i dun normally even say anything re rubbish posts, but this one is worthy of reddit.

asciilifeform: i want my 3 minutes back.

pete_dushenski: wat. gotta teach the kids how to talk. not everyone went to asciilifeform's kindergarten in the clouds.

pete_dushenski: if you heard 'nice' 60k times a day in conversation you'd make a cheatsheet too. my teeth can't take much more grinding.

pete_dushenski: this is asciilifeform's problem with his understanding of blogs. 'i don't talk about traveling on my blog because that's not the theme' isn't how contravex works. i talk about whatever the fuck i'm interested in or thinking about or want to remember for later, regardless of whether or not the same 10 ppl are glued to their monitors adoring every word.

pete_dushenski: sounds like a decent retirement plan. offer sex ed classes on the side. the way education is SUPPOSED TO WORK!

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BingoBoingo: OMG crashed all the way from $CURRENTYEAR to $STARTREKYEAR, Looking forward to $YUCCAMOUNTAINREPOSITORYPLANNEDFAILUREYEAR ☟︎

pete_dushenski: probably won't hit $JOOYEAR on this run but there's always next one (5777 currently)

asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't win ~anything from 'to the moon', but is happy for pete_dushenski et al ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( ftr asciilifeform has never sold a bitcoin for reichmoney. but had lost some on bbet, and never had much to begin with. )

ben_vulpes: goodness i tell you it is downright impossible to buy bitcoin stateside ☟︎

asciilifeform: did the usg exchanges finally give up the ghost ?

asciilifeform: been ages since i tried to use one

asciilifeform: say, 'coinbase', 2y or so ago i bought some coin there ( to then lose on bbet... ) and it came out

asciilifeform: so at one time it worked

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what means 'impossible to own' ?

asciilifeform: the bits magically evaporate from your hdd ?

danielpbarron: maybe it doesn't work for any substantial amount of money. but a few k here and there..

asciilifeform: yeah if you give'em a megabux's worth, they'll probably simply swallow it

asciilifeform: ( because... why not )

danielpbarron: i always wait till the actual bitcoin is in a real block in my address before i initiate another buy

asciilifeform: speaking of which, last i recall mircea_popescu was still trading secularbux for coinz, if you're willing to get on a plane ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( he can correct if this is no longer so )

asciilifeform: lol if ben_vulpes is destitute, what am i

asciilifeform: vow of poverty!111 lol

danielpbarron: don't feel too bad; it's very difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God anyway

pete_dushenski: if only asciilifeform had bet on eth (against mp) instead of lee sedol, he could probably afford parachute. 2.5btc was it ?

asciilifeform: by same logic 'if only bought btc at 2cents' lol ☟︎

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: nah, because you were in the right place at the right time for one and not the other

asciilifeform: lee sedol was quite educational tho

asciilifeform: taught asciilifeform perma-lesson

asciilifeform: never bet on any even you haven't rigged yourself. ☟︎

asciilifeform: *event

pete_dushenski: no one offered you (or me) coins at $0.10. i caught wind at $0.90 but was too young and naive to grok. thought btc was paypal alternative.

asciilifeform: dafuq means 'no one offered'

pete_dushenski: means you're in a irc channel and someone says 'i'll give anyone here 10k btc for pizza or 5000eth/btc' and you raise your hand or don't.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i dun have this excuse, i was aware of the thing almost from beginning

asciilifeform: and was not esp. interested in forking over reichsbux for any, because thought it was a terribly designed , by idiots, item, and used, by avaricious idiots

asciilifeform: and still it is largely so even today.

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're a man ahead of your time, even if your idealism keeps you from seizing golden opportunities.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it also kept me from losing my last pennies in 'investments'

asciilifeform: which is what happened , as i understand, to most of the 'believer' folx.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660973 << it's not really crashing! fiat is solid, only other things can crash! vote pantsuit 2440! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 20:48 BingoBoingo: OMG crashed all the way from $CURRENTYEAR to $STARTREKYEAR, Looking forward to $YUCCAMOUNTAINREPOSITORYPLANNEDFAILUREYEAR

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: anyways, i get the distinct impression that you don't want to be particularly rich and see no obvious merit or advantage to wealth. so what else is there to say.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i gotta ask how you arrived at this impression

asciilifeform: 4 destroyed keyboard's worth of asciilifeform griping about working for money, apparently flew right by pete_dushenski .

a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:04 asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't win ~anything from 'to the moon', but is happy for pete_dushenski et al

asciilifeform: sure.

mircea_popescu: ie, minigame is the most profitable game publisher ever, in relative terms and so on.

asciilifeform: it had salary?!

asciilifeform goes, reads

mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not terribly happy about the "congrats on completion of death march, here's the salary cuts figures."

asciilifeform: sure enough ! ben_vulpes .

ben_vulpes: nah, just joking in re salary cuts to the last time this happened; "only economy in which salaries go down!"

mircea_popescu: anyway. the delta means we could buy a coupla reddits or slashdots or w/e.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660977 << must need get out more. thouigh from what i hear they charge peons 10% by now. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:06 ben_vulpes: goodness i tell you it is downright impossible to buy bitcoin stateside

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661008 << not particularily. was just moving dollars into argentina under the hallucinatory delusion that it's the government rather than the country that's broken. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:12 asciilifeform: speaking of which, last i recall mircea_popescu was still trading secularbux for coinz, if you're willing to get on a plane

asciilifeform: i'd still like to buy a ticket to nonbroken country somewhere

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it looks pretty broken in the pics

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/america

mircea_popescu: is it that you don't wanrt to live in a country where mcd exists at all ; or where ruined old houses exist at all ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the job of programming system is not to make operator squeal with orgasmic joy, but to behave ~predictably~

asciilifeform: exactly like, e.g., bulldozer

asciilifeform: so far i've found that ada -- does

mircea_popescu should take you for a walk in barrio mexico. somehow everywhere the "barrio mexico" is this batshit insane / utterly pictoresque agglomeration of hovels. totally bohemian, all inclines and strange angles and shit.

mircea_popescu: rolled today past this "entrance" at a 30 degree angle from the wall, two feet wide. whole place looks like hobbits built iut.

a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:27 asciilifeform: by same logic 'if only bought btc at 2cents' lol

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have 0 against ruins, or whatever abomination 'exists somewhere', but so far no buenosaires-like pics from mircea_popescu-in-cr

phf: i take it for asciilifeform unbroken means exactly cr or certain parts of mexico or southern india even, but with existing infrastructure to support his electron microscope. having to build that infra himself is mp'ism and is unacceptable

a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:28 asciilifeform: never bet on any even you haven't rigged yourself.

asciilifeform: phf: funnily enough i dun have the infrastructure ~here~ either

asciilifeform: so that can't be it

mircea_popescu: and in the same vein, just came from accountant, who moved offices because whatever, fambly dispute over property etc. his new place, downtown san jose, is something like 2k sqft for 900 a month.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform is from vaguely-european-looking, architecturally, city, and simply likes the aesthetic, and considers everywhere where it ain't to be found, a monkeystan, is all.

asciilifeform: (incl. most of usa)

mircea_popescu: but yes, costa rica mostly "colonial" style. which i like, myself, but i can see the "if it ain't small streets and vienese palaces everywhere it ain't the old country". guess not.

asciilifeform: i dunno that i personally could buy so much as doghouse. outside of perhaps namibia.

asciilifeform: i dun think i own a couplea million of anything, even shoestrings.

mircea_popescu: well, be poor for a few more years, sell a coupla s.nsa shares, then you'll have.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes lol

pete_dushenski: speaking of s.nsa, why does mpex not list website for it ? or for s.mg for that matter ? s.qntr lists.

asciilifeform: so far it's pretty hilarious, i build a box that actually solves $problem, and not even close to 'megabestseller', all the meanwhile 'people' paying, supposedly, multi-$k for usg rng.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we shoulda hotglued a chinese singing thing inside a shoebox.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: clearly!111

mircea_popescu: o shit, will prolly have to reprice those things huh. what is it by now, benjie per ? more ?

asciilifeform: i'd be barfing harder if i hadn't 'seen this exact movie before', with ye olde robot ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( the last time, long ago, when asciilifeform solved-problem-and-nobody-bought )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 0.0495

phf: asciilifeform: your thing is existentially terrifying, it demands a lot from the "user" (not sure it even accepts the notion of user) when they look at it, they see a glimpse of own mortality ☟︎

asciilifeform: incidentally ( and this is not a seekrit, is clearly readable from the broadcast ) it was barely +ev after postage.

asciilifeform: phf: wat, folx buy bare boardz all the time

mircea_popescu: the item smells like the end of them. which it is. so... scary as all shit, yes.

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mine were over $100 cad each fwiw. and that was 3 weeks ago.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: now that you mention it, did these arrive intact ?

asciilifeform doesn't ask FG buyers anything, by default, unless they ask 1st

asciilifeform: phf: i can see what you mean, but i dunno that the problem (if you can call it one) is addressable. thing ain't 'friendly' any moar than a claymore mine is friendly.

asciilifeform: the only improvement currently in the worx is the scintillator thing, which should give 1000x entropy debit ( and consequently 1000x faster testing, which is significant to asciilifeform who assembles and tests EACH UNIT BY MOTHERFUCKING HAND ) but that's really it.

asciilifeform: (mechanical) assembly, fasteners, packaging, etc.

asciilifeform: incidentally, if there were such a thing as an honest ic fab, the scintillator-cum-photodiode-cum-debiaser could easily be an ic

asciilifeform: optically inspectable, too.

asciilifeform: single-crystal MB/s rng.

asciilifeform: previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source. ☟︎

asciilifeform: anyway iirc i described the basic scheme of this previously.

asciilifeform: for extra rage, http://cs.ucsb.edu/~koc/cren/docs/w06/trng.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3qKlv/?raw=true << described the multi-$k usg rngs, and the 'unsolved problem' etc etc

asciilifeform: ( afaik it is the broadest and most complete survey of subj, fwiw, when was written )

asciilifeform: http://www.irb.hr/eng/People/Mario-Stipcevic

asciilifeform: hey folx who aren't asciilifeform ! why not try ? maybe score a success ???

asciilifeform: not. one. of the folx i wrote to, answered usefully, to date.

asciilifeform: so, maybe i'm doing-it-wrong

mircea_popescu: as per teh "whisperers" discussion : after you write, it's his problem. before you do, however, murkier.

mircea_popescu: quite so. /me is not terribly currious what mario $rando says or does or whatever anyway.

asciilifeform: fwiw d00d actually works (as academic) on optical rng

asciilifeform: has various ( imho quality ) articles on subj.

asciilifeform: doesn't advocate whitening, or any other obvious liquishit, which is a jawdropping rarity.

mircea_popescu: this is kinda why you're stuck doing the writing -- you're the only one who can tell him from adam. i dun care. Framedragger is polite and everything, but that goes so far.

mircea_popescu: can't ask other boys to talk to the girls that interest you, it's just not how this whole talking business works.

asciilifeform: aite, i'ma write.. ☟︎

Framedragger is content with politness-instrumental-role in this context, but not certain if even that helps (being more confrontational (if that's the word) from the get-go ain't a bad thing, etc...)

Framedragger: asciilifeform: this'll sound stupid, but have you checked whether mail from your mail server does not get marked as spam by various heathen systems (gmail e.g.)?

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i typically send these ~from~ a gmail

asciilifeform: kept for the purpose

asciilifeform: mail from my actual mail server no longer gets through ~anywhere

asciilifeform: and i've mostly abandoned it

asciilifeform: usg owns email.

asciilifeform: i do not unfortunately have this luxury.

Framedragger: now picturing sending a physical letter with an invite to irc. possibly gpg fingerprint, too

mircea_popescu: did take wringing some necks of the "antispam" mafia, but they wring surprisinglky easily.

asciilifeform: ok sent

mircea_popescu: (the threat of being sued in romania and then getting in trouble when going to french conbference or w/e is remarkably powerful.)

mircea_popescu: romanian law has this wonderful device, successor of the ancient writ of mandamus, "obligatia de a face". you can sue for the court to force specific performance out of people.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's this look like in typical practice ?

mircea_popescu: most of the time, it's a method of review of administrative activity that's not well served by equity redress (special court for that). i got say the ro immigrations obliged by court to issuye work permits etc.

mircea_popescu: but it can also be used in private practice, such as the obligation of guy who owns the gate to give you a key because you have a right of egress, or w/e such.

asciilifeform: lol hey we have this in usa, court obligated immigration ministry to let in allahsnackbar that mr.t wanted to keep out...

asciilifeform: what are courts even about, if not ordering folx to do x, cease y

mircea_popescu: us is really very "liquidated damages"-y. rather than mandate performances.

asciilifeform: they're big on fungibility-of-everything.

asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and hey, nowhere is it written that it even has an answer, maybe folx simply dun need gadgets.

asciilifeform: and mcd

asciilifeform: in other crackpotteries, http://quidnon.blogspot.com/2017/05/a-boat-for-reluctant-sailor.html >> orlol's boat thing, 'To be sure, some people found the project fascinating and, based on the blog stats, went and read all about it. And some of them wished me and the project the very best luck. But the most vocal people were also the most negative. In all, it appears that most of the people who responded did so because QUIDNON rubbed t

asciilifeform: hem the wrong way in any one of several ways: it doesn’t fit the glamorous image of yachting, it is useless for either sport or ostentation, and it shows people the way to live and enjoy themselves on the water for very little money. Anathema!'

mircea_popescu: how about it's just a stupid idea by a clueless moron who pointedly refuses to acknowledge his ignorance because he figures if he fixes it he just becomes the normal unremarkable dork his mommy made him, whereas in militant idiocy he feels unique ?

mircea_popescu: or is that just more of "he robbed me of the glamour of yachting as seen by a cat inside a cardboard box" ?

mircea_popescu: oh, in other lulz : laura codruta kovesi, ro axe handle and for ~decade very insistently presented by usg media as a sort of hero of the fight against "corruption" (aka, non-usg capital) is now sought by police because "somehow" disappeared just as various legal proceedings started.

mircea_popescu: something tells me no hotel maid in new york is gonna complain she tried to rape her, yes ?