asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if this is a latrine you go to every day, put a chainless ballcock in it and be done with it
asciilifeform: takes all of 20bux and 20min
mod6: just pull up and drop anchor on their front lawn.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.topiaonline.com/
mircea_popescu: preorder, seriously ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like yet another mud
mircea_popescu: looks more like yet another attempt at the "team" scam. see the pix.
asciilifeform: lolyes
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657550 << searching (to no avail!) for a non-es keyboard the other day, i ran into, and did a double-take of, a radio shack here in cr. i had no idea they'd even squeaked by. no liquidation here (yet?).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 20:48 asciilifeform: not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y
mircea_popescu: prolly just a license deal.
mircea_popescu: most us corps sell their name to local operators in the third world where the peons still believe us > crap.
asciilifeform: they have a handful of 'franchise' shops in usa also
asciilifeform: these are still alive, but 1) get 0 new inventory, at least not from the old mothership 2) will be asked to change their name, if/when somebody buys the old one
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is still lulzy given as i was quite certain that all foreign rat shacks used the brand 'tandy' and vanished in late '80s
hanbot: there are six of 'em here, apparently
asciilifeform: what's inside ?
asciilifeform: can haz photo of 1 ?
hanbot: sure, i'll snap one next i'm by there
asciilifeform: ty hanbot
asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, asciilifeform found that 1) most recent manufacture dates of batteries sold for classic thinkpads are all ~2013 2) mircea_popescu was unfortunately wrong, chinese LiIon cells have ~not~ improved, they have cheapened further still, expected useful life of a battery is ~year (less, with heavy use)
asciilifeform: 3) cheap (couplea hundy usd) tab-welders are shite
asciilifeform: 4) useful shelf life of a li-ion cell is <4y
ben_vulpes: workstation uber alles
asciilifeform: news at 11
asciilifeform: 'the territory is better than the map, but it won't fit in your glove compartment'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: problem child is the arm/chain assembly
mircea_popescu: eh, get better suppliers. the chinese only sell the good shit to people who can curse in 4 syllables.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you can get ballcocks with 0 chain and 0 arm
ben_vulpes: not the float
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this thing attaches to the flush actuator?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i install these everywhere i move into
asciilifeform: aha
ben_vulpes: wonder of wonders
asciilifeform: it comes with a bowden cable as actuator
asciilifeform: and new flush knob to go with it, resembles bicycle brake
asciilifeform: 0 things to tangle inside tank.
asciilifeform: the neatest imho aspect is that it works IN REVERSE also
asciilifeform: can abort a flush.
mircea_popescu: lol abortive flushing
asciilifeform: (go and PUSH a chain, lol)
ben_vulpes: this is the "400 cr"?
asciilifeform: i have nfi who makes these where ben_vulpes lives
asciilifeform: i have a generic chinese one
ben_vulpes: i'm just paging through bezosmart
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope, that looks like a chain valve
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: Danco HYR271T looks sorta like what i've here
asciilifeform: ( though mine has not so many parts )
asciilifeform: ok, found mine, it's the FLT231T
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^
asciilifeform: be sure to lather the rubber throat with heavy plumber's grease when you put the thing in, or it'll eventually leak.
asciilifeform: ( it has this flexible throat thing so as to fit every possible tank arse )
ben_vulpes: whoa christ
ben_vulpes: i feel like mircea_popescu with the washing machine
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: "finally! a sane design!"
asciilifeform: oh and : bring a hacksaw, often ancient flush lever has the nut rusted solid, you will not be able to turn it out, gotta slice through the 'antikythera'
ben_vulpes: ah yes
ben_vulpes: although i have like three cans of the mighty blaster to get through
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: be aware, you ~will~ have to calibrate the float.
asciilifeform: or you will get the dreaded double-gurgle
asciilifeform: 'tis indeed the 'gentoo of toilet valve'.
ben_vulpes: "but once it boots...!"
asciilifeform: aaaha.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what, incidentally, is 'the mighty blaster' ?
ben_vulpes: the mighty penetrating blaster
ben_vulpes: from blaster corp
ben_vulpes: wd9000
ben_vulpes: "P'Blaster"
ben_vulpes: as in "child, the might blaster is for lubricating and unfreezing bolts, not eating"
asciilifeform: dunno, my tank's lever nut was a veritable antikythera, wholly solid ball of rust.
ben_vulpes: never hurts to apply blaster before hacksaw
asciilifeform: incidentally, wtf is the reason why a ~public~ shitter even has a tank & ballcock
asciilifeform: oughta have city pressure flush
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ought complain to obummer.
ben_vulpes: tis not public
asciilifeform: hm i assumed it was, given the stories
ben_vulpes: quite nearly, but no
ben_vulpes: the orifice is on a floor that once housed train station and train company employees
ben_vulpes: and insofar as the restrooms have keys, they are not public
asciilifeform finds the history of the shitter a fascinating thing, in that it followed in same pattern as, e.g., small arms -- i.e. went through a peak of RIDICULOUS complexity before finally simplified into modern form.
ben_vulpes: in other hilarities that archive.is doesn't do an entirely perfect job of archiving: http://archive.is/hPlfc
ben_vulpes: (Alternatives To [sic]) White-Owned Appropriative Restaurants in Portland
asciilifeform: consider the -- quite malodorous -- 'pan closet', for instance. >> https://archive.is/VstFy << mechanical, moving parts, touched -- and slowly accumulated -- shit
ben_vulpes: i admired the nips' commitment to the handsfree experience when i visited
asciilifeform: or in the other column, the maxim gun, dozens of small parts, like sewing machine
asciilifeform: or in the third column, the comp, still in its maxim/luger/pancloset phase.
asciilifeform: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/43/main/3/81842.jpg << this is a 'bramah' shitter.
asciilifeform: ( 1700s ! but doesn't it look quite 'steampunk'... )
asciilifeform: the key insight, to use water as the SOLE moving part inside the shit-contacting subunit of the device, took ~200y from the first 'water closets' of modern europe...
asciilifeform: see also 'plumbing practice', j. w. clarke, 1888
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/cu31924004127696 << believe or not
asciilifeform: ^ mega-b00k.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell shinohai ty, published
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/ << Qntra - Still No Consensus Supporting Bitcoin Hardfork – Barry Silbert Pretends Otherwise To His Peril
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 4 -- loose
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: that silbert schmuck is on his what, 5th "oh, i will change the world" hear him roar only to be used as a cum rag ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you're going to be an ustardian empire spearhead, it helps to have no shame and no memory.
BingoBoingo: And to not be spearhead, but Petrus branded spear sheath
mircea_popescu: myeah
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2320.26, vol: 15251.95166263 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2287.001, vol: 10267.24658 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2310.7, vol: 24441.24751909 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2319.857349, vol: 19171.30910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2290.001, vol: 8037.75254521 | Volume-weighted last average: 2309.55537833
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-6-42-percent-for-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~6.42 Percent For Another All Time High
asciilifeform: in other http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660095 lulz, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAhfSVJXsAA4uId.jpg☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-22 14:57 mircea_popescu: nah, uk leads the shitshow.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1D29A0A878115F4491A43E6C6E4AD444DD6EE3AD2A0AAFD586568D8BB34633B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...4413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-175-158-32-99.cbn.net.id. ID JK)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1D29A0A878115F4491A43E6C6E4AD444DD6EE3AD2A0AAFD586568D8BB34633B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1447...1599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-175-158-32-99.cbn.net.id. ID JK)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660775 << lovely☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 03:36 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/cu31924004127696 << believe or not
Framedragger: /r/mtgoxinsolvency is full of "this is sufficient for end of insolvency" and (quoting) "Karpeles is working on a solution!"
mircea_popescu: idiots.
Framedragger: because of the bull run, yknow
mircea_popescu: the internet really made it obvious i actually don't like people.
mircea_popescu: what fucking part of "usg stole all bitcoin you gave to mtgox long ago" isn't quite plain.
trinque: yeah, when somebody steals my wife, whores her out, then keeps money, returns wife, that's whole.
mircea_popescu: trinque someone's gotta pay for the hospital bills eh.
asciilifeform: returns not wife, but the shit of the pig that her corpse was fed to
Framedragger: dude karpeles just took a large loan on that frappuccino https://blog.bigterminal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/protest-confronts-karpeles.jpg
Framedragger: he's gonna pay yuge interest and settle this
Framedragger: he's an honestman.jpg
mircea_popescu is working on a solution to end world stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asteroid ?
mircea_popescu: basically, what's going on here is, the STORY of life wouldn't make sense, ~as a story~, ie it wouldn't be put on tv, if there wasn't a twist here.
Framedragger: lul magicaltux is actually responding on reddit (for gasmask folks, https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgoxinsolvency/comments/6cwd82/plz_vote_mr_kobayashi_we_the_mtgox_creditors/)
mircea_popescu: and as far as these idiots are concerned, 100% of "life" experience comes from tv and such stories, and therefore it logically follows that yes, pretty good ods heel to face turn etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing specific. just likew "Karpeles is working on a solution!". what, i can run for miss dumbland just as well as a fat fuck.
asciilifeform: and i had nfi that there were reddit terminals in jp jail
mircea_popescu: eh, jail. here's a secret : nobody wants to keep anyone ion jail, it's expensive.
mircea_popescu: "jail" is this theoretical construct for online dorks.
Framedragger: released on bail
trinque: the lawyers keep you perpetually in court
trinque: maximal extraction
Framedragger: http://themerkle.com/mark-karpeles-twitter/
Framedragger: amazing headline
mircea_popescu: the lengthy pile opf chairs that is "our democracy" falls apart the moment you kick any prior out.
asciilifeform: i still dun get why the usd exchange rate of btc would matter to the mtgox proceedings
asciilifeform: even in theory
mircea_popescu: fictive living.
trinque: the idiots propose they be paid USD at prior value for their imaginary once btc holdings
mircea_popescu: this is how they argue with their insignificant others : "oh, i was miss ohio state when i married oyu! i want a couch!"
asciilifeform: also what would one have to smoke, to believe that there's any btc, usd, zimbabwe dollars, dubloons, etc. left in the smoking ruin.
mircea_popescu: no, no, they don't care about the physical reality. the mental articulation is "1. i have claim ; 2. mommy makes good".
trinque: you don't understand. there should be, so there is.
mircea_popescu: see, they never lived this experience where they go on horseback, run into vienna, rape some girls.
mircea_popescu: they had this experience where their computer game crashed and mommy bought them another one, because it was their xmas gift or w/e, ie they had THE CLAIM. and then made whole.
mircea_popescu: that's the mechanism, very fundamentally imago-logic. this for that, this stands for that, etc.
mircea_popescu: the physical realisation of the socialist/idiot's dreamed world is NO CONCERN OF HIS.
mircea_popescu: all the has "to show" (that's how they talk, too) is the claim ticket.
mircea_popescu: and this follows very strioctly ands quite necessarily from the workings of moderity / ourdemocracy. what do you need to get into the train ? not the physical ability, the PRIOR CLAIM. restaurant ? anything. and this on top of very extensive "parenting" in the form of mothering.
mircea_popescu: 18 years is excessive, yet they regard it as nearly criminally short. 25 more the norm.
mircea_popescu: the mtgox idiots frankly don't see why their situation should be any different from the situation of those fyre festival idiots. why are THOSE getting refunds and free tickets "next time" ?
trinque: and when the handful of accidental males start bouncing off the walls at 15, pills
trinque: tbh most of my friends from that age ended up drugged
mircea_popescu: well yes, because... cheaper than jail, lol. which is cheaper than, you've guessed it, trying to actually live in physical world.
mircea_popescu: gotta be teh dreamers, that's the only way the batshit insane expectations of 8 bn heros in their own stories can be "satisfied" after a fashion.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/ << mandatory reading at this juncture.
asciilifeform: physical world 'ain't made of rubber'
mircea_popescu: and rubber ain't nearly good enough.
asciilifeform: only so-much room. and long time no worldwar.
mircea_popescu will now fishj out conversation with lulzy chick in this vein. a second.
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/j2mgG/?raw=true << this chick seriously imagines ima... actually let's take it by parts. this chick imagines that the fact she's not held an actual conversation ~is someone else's fault!~. she imagines someone's going to cut his beard for her dumb ass, not even as a hope but as an expectation, and she imagines she'll get free tickets.
mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck ? because yet another pancakeface "working in" bullshit she absolutely does not understand / has no business fucking with ?
mircea_popescu: yes. in so many words, exactly, and i also bet you that not only she didn't read the link, but she imagines that if she had read it she'd be doing me a favour, and more properly speaking she should be paid to read it.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, "read and comprehend and allign mental space to it", no way. just the comprehend would be extra, in the sense of i dunno, a fucking ferrari. no, just you know, clicking on it and then forgetting about the tab. something like that.
mircea_popescu: then idiots make business plans including advertising budgets. to reach these psychos. why ? how's it supposed to even work ?
mircea_popescu: (and yes, it's literally psychosis, complete and utter derealisation + delusions of insertion)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do you find these ??
mircea_popescu: i have a specialized service.
asciilifeform: i suppose you can have weekly-fresh-cunts XOR only-ever-talking-to-people-who-are-people
mircea_popescu: i'm not that into fresh tbh.
asciilifeform: then why in satan's name interface with 2legged cockroaches
mircea_popescu: but, the reason i'm not nearly as "entomology"-inclined as moist folks here is because i have a very heavy undercurrent of "hey mr p! you gotta talk to his one."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same reason you so eagerly read the $crud.
mircea_popescu: what, am i going to become them ? take a more expensive, more exquisite path to the same derealization ? noty.
trinque: http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/#footnote_0_70544 << makes me think about one's own mind. if no large, esteemed node among the graph of meaning, psychosis.
trinque: fascinates me then, what a king creates in his own mind.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so now imagine ~half of all the chicks her age are also blessed with her mentality and it should be plain obvious there's NO POSSIBILITY of satisfying them in any other way than through netflix. because, even if you bougth them all ferraris, through buying half a billion of the thing they wouldn't be veblen goods anymore and so no longer serve the purpose. because they don't want all this shit for itself ; they just w
mircea_popescu: ant it to try and use it to somehow plumb the endless depths of the chasm yawning inside, the horrid void of inexistence.
mircea_popescu: trinque it's what games are FOR. unlike trying to "gameify" reality for chrissakes, this is actually what games are for.
mircea_popescu: trinque that footnote relates directly to the earlier discussion re possiblity of meaning ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656354 ) specifically in the sense that war is unavoidable because... the agents can't... understand each other anymore.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
mircea_popescu: "when trade stops war starts" is just an heuristic in this same vein. obviously if you can't negotiate prices you no longer have a meaningful basis.
trinque: clearly so. and behold, phf and I can't seem to parse messages, probably both wondering what the fuck the other intends by the character
trinque: the whole thing was instructive
mircea_popescu: this happened historically on trilema like on its first year of existence, even wrote about it.
mircea_popescu: two respectable gents called each other idiots etc.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/nu-exista-prosti-online/ ha! found it.
trinque might be a dumb guy, but can't remember the last time I lied.
trinque: whole matter came down to that, most recently. whole republican structure is a machine out of which flows truth, meaning, what have you
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole tjhing with the "bretton woods agreement" / "our democracy peace and un" is an attempt to predicate the meaning on an authority predicated on the meaning, through the avenue of "we hate war". nice and good but can't work, and so it surprisingly does not work.
trinque: arranged symbols
mircea_popescu: quite.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A737DDF0E6CA96DDF6EA3F3FBFCC9D6E801C42849FF49AF36297B7870965177B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...7043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (hc120210.tuxtools.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A737DDF0E6CA96DDF6EA3F3FBFCC9D6E801C42849FF49AF36297B7870965177B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1596...5923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (hc120210.tuxtools.net. DE)
trinque: phf: ftr, if ya stop the "now I think you're lying" when I'm an idiot, could shake your hand.
mircea_popescu: but the big deal is that it's not just bitcoin which, even in its sad prototype form, is a much better alternative to "currency" as understood currently ; it's that tmsr is actually a much better replacement for the united nations.
trinque: macrocosm of a sane mind
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of sad prototypes : asciilifeform discovered ( and why did it have to be ' asciilifeform discovered ...' when other folx were nominally also testing...) that trb node with 'wires' still happily falls behind by 100s of blox, and never catches up,
asciilifeform: because why would it. iirc we had this thread, node ONLY CHECKS IF BEHIND when BOOTING !!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the dividends of intelligence. discussion with random brat was not worth having, until i had it, and then recounted it, and now it's worth it -- plenty of people who want to be writers or bloggers or whatever but the head doesn't help them would gladly pay moneyz for such "Content" as idle chatter hath produced.
asciilifeform: at all other times, blox are a 'push' mechanism. and naturally ~100% of all incoming pushing is prb idiocy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think you discovered something we thoroughly discussed in chan lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link?
mircea_popescu: the thing, with the falling behind!
asciilifeform: no, speaking here of 'wires' patch
mircea_popescu: wires patch is not different ; still same trb.
asciilifeform: turns out, the random 'push new blocks to peers' thing does not in fact work, aha, because they don't 'stay new' for very long
asciilifeform: so perma-connects by themselves make 0 measurable diff.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: though honestly this was the conclusion about a week in, also.
asciilifeform: hypothesis != conclusion
mircea_popescu: no. the "wires patch does little more than spam the log" conclusion was had about a week into the wires experiment.
asciilifeform: lol where ? on mircea_popescu's box, where he had nonstandard sshd and couldn't connect at all ?!
mircea_popescu: pretty sure you said so yourself, but kinda loath to dig through logs rightnao.
asciilifeform: sometimes i gotta wonder why i even bother to do experiments, when we could just write down mircea_popescu's hypothesis as result.
mircea_popescu: dood, no need to butthurt, i'm not proposing something liek wires should not exist.
asciilifeform: back to subj: a proper incarnation of 'wires' would , on both ends, ask 'what's yer height?' and in case of discrepancy, trade blox
asciilifeform: until this exists, asciilifeform does not recommend the use of 'wires' branch in battlefield.
asciilifeform: or further experiment with same.
asciilifeform: mod6 et al ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you dun recall you said ~same (ie, "dun use") coupla months ago or such ?
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the whole thing with block management hasta be redone, there's no way to separate strands. which is why work is ongoing from the other end, trying to figure out the proper foundation for storing blocks, and creating a storage engine model etc, ben_vulpes 's stuff.
mircea_popescu: once that is in place, a proper p2p mechanism can be built and trb will work way the fuck better than prb ever could.
mircea_popescu: starting this from the networking angle with a pastiche of ssh-perl is a bad idewa
asciilifeform: this was how i ended up entirely setting bozo bit on shitoshi's cpp turd.
asciilifeform: and incidentally i have the storage thing .
mircea_popescu: the parallels with diana_coman eating away at the ps atrocity for minigame are striking, by the way.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if the same people made both. which... they have.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept. of can-also-have-problems : http://archive.is/dDrH7
mircea_popescu: who is this again ?
BingoBoingo: Seth Rich is the alleged wikileaks source that the DNC killed
mircea_popescu: o ? how\'d they kill himn ?
BingoBoingo: Got a black man to shoot him
mircea_popescu: lemme guess, pantsuit clown hitmen ? (in subsidiary, how can something be "discredited" "Conspiracy theories" before i even got to hear about it ? there's no minimum interval for discreditation ?)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo an' lemme guess, some kulak elements, at putin's behest, are intermeddling in the legal attempts to bury the whole thing ? tsk tsk.
BingoBoingo: Oh my, how did you ever guess?
mircea_popescu: it was in a fortune cookie in my besta pizza.
mircea_popescu: it's a sad day indeed for ourdemocracy when the panstuit clown can't even get away with her extrajudicial murders anymore
mircea_popescu: SHE WAS IN THE SITUATION ROOM!!11
asciilifeform: # of arkencides prosecuted: still 0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how are you going to prosecute "black man" ? collective personage.
BingoBoingo: To be fair what's the # of arkensexwithpigs prosecuted
asciilifeform: could likewise suggest prosecuting the bullet
asciilifeform: or the hole
mircea_popescu: by now the usgtronic bestiary is getting pretty well fleshed out. "black man" assassin and "latino hotel maid" lying-under-oath and so on.
mircea_popescu: various types o' witnesses, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trump was an idiot for not putting her in jail day one.
mircea_popescu: fox could have run the whole story as martha stewart 2 and that's it.
mircea_popescu: there are some jobs for which old men are never fit, turns out.
asciilifeform: he's occupied with keeping own arse out of jail, lol
mircea_popescu: yes, this is how losers lose.
asciilifeform: # of successful appeals agains hawaiian judges overturning executive orders : 0
asciilifeform: # of nsa operatives publicly hung on meathook : 0
asciilifeform: etc.
mircea_popescu: could just have him shot. what, black men work for pay.
asciilifeform: only for dnc pay
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform: apparently!
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, let dorks figure out their own shit, what am i, free consultancy inc ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> the parallels with diana_coman eating away at the ps atrocity for minigame are striking, by the way. <- ha, catching up with the logs and I wanted to say precisely that!
mircea_popescu: lel. myeah.\
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the hawaii "judge" lulz, /me is already preparing the popcorn for when the shoe will be on the other foot and libertards will be frothing at the mouth as to how THIS IS NOT ALLOWABLE!!! only democratic when does it for democratic party!!!1
mircea_popescu still recalls the 3 months of "oh, electoral college, bulwark of democracy" pre november, to be followed by endless stream of "oh, antiquated institution, holds back ourdemocracy paradise" hence.
asciilifeform: patient only got 1 foot
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ratchet's been going one way only. the whole pretend-republic is ever less sustainable. the rest...
ben_vulpes: just overheard from veen: "consumer does not have access to self. my favorite error message."
asciilifeform: where'd he go, anyway
asciilifeform: !~seen veen
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen veen.
asciilifeform: !#seen veen
a111: 2017-03-16 <veen> the man-handling happened at the helm of the challenger, much much smaller airframe
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/24/a-few-alternatives-to-nice/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A few alternatives to “nice.”
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mostly up in the atmosphere
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i dun normally even say anything re rubbish posts, but this one is worthy of reddit.
asciilifeform: ftr.
asciilifeform: i want my 3 minutes back.
pete_dushenski: wat. gotta teach the kids how to talk. not everyone went to asciilifeform's kindergarten in the clouds.
pete_dushenski: if you heard 'nice' 60k times a day in conversation you'd make a cheatsheet too. my teeth can't take much more grinding.
pete_dushenski: this is asciilifeform's problem with his understanding of blogs. 'i don't talk about traveling on my blog because that's not the theme' isn't how contravex works. i talk about whatever the fuck i'm interested in or thinking about or want to remember for later, regardless of whether or not the same 10 ppl are glued to their monitors adoring every word.
ben_vulpes: pete dushenski really oughta offer remedial middle school writing classes
ben_vulpes: cover cliches, overuse of a limited vocabulary
ben_vulpes: the worx
ben_vulpes: "how to spot a thesaurus abuser"
pete_dushenski: sounds like a decent retirement plan. offer sex ed classes on the side. the way education is SUPPOSED TO WORK!
pete_dushenski: then again, what retirement ? what plan ?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2440.01, vol: 20384.37982678 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2434.052, vol: 10823.33567 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2420.8, vol: 27332.24503955 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2510.376551, vol: 22318.73000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2424.999, vol: 8878.10955333 | Volume-weighted last average: 2449.4563463
pete_dushenski: probably won't hit $JOOYEAR on this run but there's always next one (5777 currently)
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't win ~anything from 'to the moon', but is happy for pete_dushenski et al
asciilifeform: ( ftr asciilifeform has never sold a bitcoin for reichmoney. but had lost some on bbet, and never had much to begin with. )
ben_vulpes: goodness i tell you it is downright impossible to buy bitcoin stateside
ben_vulpes: nobody i know owns a single satoshi either, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: did the usg exchanges finally give up the ghost ?
trinque: eh, you can transfer them out of the state run things.
asciilifeform: been ages since i tried to use one
ben_vulpes: trinque: no it is impossibry
trinque: o o rite, yes impossibru
ben_vulpes: yes yes impossibru
asciilifeform: say, 'coinbase', 2y or so ago i bought some coin there ( to then lose on bbet... ) and it came out
ben_vulpes: the great inca has won, bitcoin is impossible to buy or own in the states
asciilifeform: so at one time it worked
ben_vulpes: grand tragedy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what means 'impossible to own' ?
asciilifeform: the bits magically evaporate from your hdd ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: you didn't wink enough.
ben_vulpes: yes the nsa gets them!
trinque: also lack of nudging.
ben_vulpes: trinque: ey so does your lady you know you know
trinque: does she.. go?
ben_vulpes: does she ey ey?
danielpbarron: coinbase still works last i checked earlier this year
ben_vulpes: i thought asciilifeform was the one winking and nudging trinque
danielpbarron: maybe it doesn't work for any substantial amount of money. but a few k here and there..
asciilifeform: yeah if you give'em a megabux's worth, they'll probably simply swallow it
asciilifeform: ( because... why not )
ben_vulpes: so be thou a mosquito
ben_vulpes: if you actually have megabuxx to wire, your wot can provide
ben_vulpes: assuming you have one!
danielpbarron: i always wait till the actual bitcoin is in a real block in my address before i initiate another buy
ben_vulpes sadly does not, either wot or megabuxx
ben_vulpes: ergo will die destitute, stateside
asciilifeform: speaking of which, last i recall mircea_popescu was still trading secularbux for coinz, if you're willing to get on a plane
trinque: ben_vulpes: naw just predatory oligarch, come on!
asciilifeform: ( he can correct if this is no longer so )
ben_vulpes: trinque: ah yes, i will have a million children and drain them all
asciilifeform: lol if ben_vulpes is destitute, what am i
trinque: monk! scholar!
asciilifeform: vow of poverty!111 lol
pete_dushenski: at least not chastitty
danielpbarron: don't feel too bad; it's very difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God anyway
jurov: best to structure some instrument to make one poor at moment of death
pete_dushenski: if only asciilifeform had bet on eth (against mp) instead of lee sedol, he could probably afford parachute. 2.5btc was it ?
asciilifeform: by same logic 'if only bought btc at 2cents' lol
pete_dushenski: !~calc 0.078/0.0002*2.5
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: 0.078/0.0002*2.5 = 975
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: nah, because you were in the right place at the right time for one and not the other
asciilifeform: lee sedol was quite educational tho
asciilifeform: taught asciilifeform perma-lesson
asciilifeform: never bet on any even you haven't rigged yourself.
asciilifeform: *event
pete_dushenski: no one offered you (or me) coins at $0.10. i caught wind at $0.90 but was too young and naive to grok. thought btc was paypal alternative.
asciilifeform: dafuq means 'no one offered'
pete_dushenski: means you're in a irc channel and someone says 'i'll give anyone here 10k btc for pizza or 5000eth/btc' and you raise your hand or don't.
pete_dushenski: 'no one offered' is pretty much everything else.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i dun have this excuse, i was aware of the thing almost from beginning
asciilifeform: and was not esp. interested in forking over reichsbux for any, because thought it was a terribly designed , by idiots, item, and used, by avaricious idiots
asciilifeform: and still it is largely so even today.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're a man ahead of your time, even if your idealism keeps you from seizing golden opportunities.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it also kept me from losing my last pennies in 'investments'
asciilifeform: which is what happened , as i understand, to most of the 'believer' folx.
pete_dushenski: there is that.
jurov: ben_vulpes: i do sell coins to muricans, via transferwise
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660973 << it's not really crashing! fiat is solid, only other things can crash! vote pantsuit 2440!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 20:48 BingoBoingo: OMG crashed all the way from $CURRENTYEAR to $STARTREKYEAR, Looking forward to $YUCCAMOUNTAINREPOSITORYPLANNEDFAILUREYEAR
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: anyways, i get the distinct impression that you don't want to be particularly rich and see no obvious merit or advantage to wealth. so what else is there to say.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i gotta ask how you arrived at this impression
asciilifeform: 4 destroyed keyboard's worth of asciilifeform griping about working for money, apparently flew right by pete_dushenski .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660975 << nsa appreciates along with everything else.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:04 asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't win ~anything from 'to the moon', but is happy for pete_dushenski et al
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: the ~8k in s.mg coffers went from ~10mn to ~20mn yes.
mircea_popescu: ie, minigame is the most profitable game publisher ever, in relative terms and so on.
ben_vulpes: hah someone getting a salary cut soon?
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: it had salary?!
mircea_popescu: minigame ? sure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does not read reports!?
asciilifeform goes, reads
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not terribly happy about the "congrats on completion of death march, here's the salary cuts figures."
asciilifeform: sure enough ! ben_vulpes .
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: it's how it fucking works though. bitcoin is backshit-fuckwards.
ben_vulpes: wow great coinage
mircea_popescu: ha. not bad huh.
ben_vulpes: nah, just joking in re salary cuts to the last time this happened; "only economy in which salaries go down!"
mircea_popescu: truth.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the delta means we could buy a coupla reddits or slashdots or w/e.
mircea_popescu: (not gonna, no panic.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660977 << must need get out more. thouigh from what i hear they charge peons 10% by now.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:06 ben_vulpes: goodness i tell you it is downright impossible to buy bitcoin stateside
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661008 << not particularily. was just moving dollars into argentina under the hallucinatory delusion that it's the government rather than the country that's broken.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:12 asciilifeform: speaking of which, last i recall mircea_popescu was still trading secularbux for coinz, if you're willing to get on a plane
mircea_popescu: meanwhile hung the whore, shit still broken.
asciilifeform: i'd still like to buy a ticket to nonbroken country somewhere
mircea_popescu: i'm happy with cr so far.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would probably like unbroken programming lang too
mircea_popescu: very good work ethic, these people. they wanna work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it looks pretty broken in the pics
ben_vulpes: sounds happiest with ada, which is p. funny
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/america
mircea_popescu: is it that you don't wanrt to live in a country where mcd exists at all ; or where ruined old houses exist at all ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the job of programming system is not to make operator squeal with orgasmic joy, but to behave ~predictably~
asciilifeform: exactly like, e.g., bulldozer
asciilifeform: so far i've found that ada -- does
mircea_popescu should take you for a walk in barrio mexico. somehow everywhere the "barrio mexico" is this batshit insane / utterly pictoresque agglomeration of hovels. totally bohemian, all inclines and strange angles and shit.
mircea_popescu: rolled today past this "entrance" at a 30 degree angle from the wall, two feet wide. whole place looks like hobbits built iut.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661019 << two dollars. A WHOLE SUMMER.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:27 asciilifeform: by same logic 'if only bought btc at 2cents' lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have 0 against ruins, or whatever abomination 'exists somewhere', but so far no buenosaires-like pics from mircea_popescu-in-cr
phf: i take it for asciilifeform unbroken means exactly cr or certain parts of mexico or southern india even, but with existing infrastructure to support his electron microscope. having to build that infra himself is mp'ism and is unacceptable
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661025 << lol starting to sound like confirmed mobster lmao☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:28 asciilifeform: never bet on any even you haven't rigged yourself.
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enough i dun have the infrastructure ~here~ either
asciilifeform: so that can't be it
mircea_popescu: phf definitely can get an electron microscope here.
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein, just came from accountant, who moved offices because whatever, fambly dispute over property etc. his new place, downtown san jose, is something like 2k sqft for 900 a month.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is from vaguely-european-looking, architecturally, city, and simply likes the aesthetic, and considers everywhere where it ain't to be found, a monkeystan, is all.
asciilifeform: (incl. most of usa)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference is that you could buy such a thing here.
mircea_popescu: but yes, costa rica mostly "colonial" style. which i like, myself, but i can see the "if it ain't small streets and vienese palaces everywhere it ain't the old country". guess not.
asciilifeform: i dunno that i personally could buy so much as doghouse. outside of perhaps namibia.
mircea_popescu: coupla millions, what. newlywed couples routinely indulge in frisco.
asciilifeform: i dun think i own a couplea million of anything, even shoestrings.
ben_vulpes: s.nsa stock mebbe?
mircea_popescu: well, be poor for a few more years, sell a coupla s.nsa shares, then you'll have.
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes lol
pete_dushenski: speaking of s.nsa, why does mpex not list website for it ? or for s.mg for that matter ? s.qntr lists.
asciilifeform: so far it's pretty hilarious, i build a box that actually solves $problem, and not even close to 'megabestseller', all the meanwhile 'people' paying, supposedly, multi-$k for usg rng.
mircea_popescu: not sure, possibly nobody gave a shit.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: your device will be multi-$k before you know it!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we shoulda hotglued a chinese singing thing inside a shoebox.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: clearly!111
mircea_popescu: gotta serve teh markkit!!1
mircea_popescu: o shit, will prolly have to reprice those things huh. what is it by now, benjie per ? more ?
asciilifeform: i'd be barfing harder if i hadn't 'seen this exact movie before', with ye olde robot
asciilifeform: ( the last time, long ago, when asciilifeform solved-problem-and-nobody-bought )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 0.0495
phf: asciilifeform: your thing is existentially terrifying, it demands a lot from the "user" (not sure it even accepts the notion of user) when they look at it, they see a glimpse of own mortality
asciilifeform: incidentally ( and this is not a seekrit, is clearly readable from the broadcast ) it was barely +ev after postage.
asciilifeform: phf: wat, folx buy bare boardz all the time
mircea_popescu: no, he's on to something.
mircea_popescu: the item smells like the end of them. which it is. so... scary as all shit, yes.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mine were over $100 cad each fwiw. and that was 3 weeks ago.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: now that you mention it, did these arrive intact ?
pete_dushenski: yessir. thanks for checking.
asciilifeform doesn't ask FG buyers anything, by default, unless they ask 1st
mircea_popescu: sound policy.
asciilifeform: phf: i can see what you mean, but i dunno that the problem (if you can call it one) is addressable. thing ain't 'friendly' any moar than a claymore mine is friendly.
mircea_popescu: which is why no attempt to "address" it is made.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: but captain breezay ain't happy.
asciilifeform: the only improvement currently in the worx is the scintillator thing, which should give 1000x entropy debit ( and consequently 1000x faster testing, which is significant to asciilifeform who assembles and tests EACH UNIT BY MOTHERFUCKING HAND ) but that's really it.
asciilifeform: (mechanical) assembly, fasteners, packaging, etc.
mircea_popescu: total collector's item
asciilifeform: incidentally, if there were such a thing as an honest ic fab, the scintillator-cum-photodiode-cum-debiaser could easily be an ic
asciilifeform: optically inspectable, too.
asciilifeform: single-crystal MB/s rng.
asciilifeform: previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source.
asciilifeform: anyway iirc i described the basic scheme of this previously.
asciilifeform: for extra rage, http://cs.ucsb.edu/~koc/cren/docs/w06/trng.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3qKlv/?raw=true << described the multi-$k usg rngs, and the 'unsolved problem' etc etc
asciilifeform: ( afaik it is the broadest and most complete survey of subj, fwiw, when was written )
mircea_popescu: so drop guy a line.
asciilifeform: http://www.irb.hr/eng/People/Mario-Stipcevic
asciilifeform: hey folx who aren't asciilifeform ! why not try ? maybe score a success ???
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: not. one. of the folx i wrote to, answered usefully, to date.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: what, you wanna die a virgin ?
asciilifeform: so, maybe i'm doing-it-wrong
mircea_popescu: well, maybe doing it wrong is no excuse from having to do it.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do basically want to invite him to audit FUCKGOATS?
asciilifeform: aha?
Framedragger can write tomorrow, for kicks
Framedragger: you*
Framedragger: ok then will, can't hurt. but expect same success rate (0)...
mircea_popescu: the success is in the writing!
mircea_popescu: as per teh "whisperers" discussion : after you write, it's his problem. before you do, however, murkier.
Framedragger: there is that. moves the demarcation line
mircea_popescu: quite so. /me is not terribly currious what mario $rando says or does or whatever anyway.
asciilifeform: fwiw d00d actually works (as academic) on optical rng
asciilifeform: has various ( imho quality ) articles on subj.
asciilifeform: doesn't advocate whitening, or any other obvious liquishit, which is a jawdropping rarity.
mircea_popescu: this is kinda why you're stuck doing the writing -- you're the only one who can tell him from adam. i dun care. Framedragger is polite and everything, but that goes so far.
mircea_popescu: can't ask other boys to talk to the girls that interest you, it's just not how this whole talking business works.
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma write..
Framedragger is content with politness-instrumental-role in this context, but not certain if even that helps (being more confrontational (if that's the word) from the get-go ain't a bad thing, etc...)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: this'll sound stupid, but have you checked whether mail from your mail server does not get marked as spam by various heathen systems (gmail e.g.)?
Framedragger happened to me
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i typically send these ~from~ a gmail
asciilifeform: kept for the purpose
Framedragger: ah, yeah makes sense
asciilifeform: mail from my actual mail server no longer gets through ~anywhere
asciilifeform: and i've mostly abandoned it
asciilifeform: usg owns email.
mircea_popescu: mine did, all the way to when i dropped the shit altoghether.
asciilifeform: i do not unfortunately have this luxury.
Framedragger: now picturing sending a physical letter with an invite to irc. possibly gpg fingerprint, too
mircea_popescu: did take wringing some necks of the "antispam" mafia, but they wring surprisinglky easily.
asciilifeform: ok sent
Framedragger: cool
mircea_popescu: (the threat of being sued in romania and then getting in trouble when going to french conbference or w/e is remarkably powerful.)
Framedragger: nice...
mircea_popescu: ~only benefit of the whole eu thing.
mircea_popescu: romanian law has this wonderful device, successor of the ancient writ of mandamus, "obligatia de a face". you can sue for the court to force specific performance out of people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's this look like in typical practice ?
mircea_popescu: most of the time, it's a method of review of administrative activity that's not well served by equity redress (special court for that). i got say the ro immigrations obliged by court to issuye work permits etc.
mircea_popescu: but it can also be used in private practice, such as the obligation of guy who owns the gate to give you a key because you have a right of egress, or w/e such.
asciilifeform: lol hey we have this in usa, court obligated immigration ministry to let in allahsnackbar that mr.t wanted to keep out...
mircea_popescu: i'm sure.
asciilifeform: what are courts even about, if not ordering folx to do x, cease y
mircea_popescu: us is really very "liquidated damages"-y. rather than mandate performances.
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform: they're big on fungibility-of-everything.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: except bitcoin, of course.
asciilifeform: aaha
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever encountered this problem in the history of life on earth.
mircea_popescu: there's not even poems about it or anything.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: and hey, nowhere is it written that it even has an answer, maybe folx simply dun need gadgets.
mircea_popescu: yeah, only need tablets.
asciilifeform: and mcd
asciilifeform: in other crackpotteries, http://quidnon.blogspot.com/2017/05/a-boat-for-reluctant-sailor.html >> orlol's boat thing, 'To be sure, some people found the project fascinating and, based on the blog stats, went and read all about it. And some of them wished me and the project the very best luck. But the most vocal people were also the most negative. In all, it appears that most of the people who responded did so because QUIDNON rubbed t
asciilifeform: hem the wrong way in any one of several ways: it doesn’t fit the glamorous image of yachting, it is useless for either sport or ostentation, and it shows people the way to live and enjoy themselves on the water for very little money. Anathema!'
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: how about it's just a stupid idea by a clueless moron who pointedly refuses to acknowledge his ignorance because he figures if he fixes it he just becomes the normal unremarkable dork his mommy made him, whereas in militant idiocy he feels unique ?
mircea_popescu: or is that just more of "he robbed me of the glamour of yachting as seen by a cat inside a cardboard box" ?
mircea_popescu: oh, in other lulz : laura codruta kovesi, ro axe handle and for ~decade very insistently presented by usg media as a sort of hero of the fight against "corruption" (aka, non-usg capital) is now sought by police because "somehow" disappeared just as various legal proceedings started.
mircea_popescu: something tells me no hotel maid in new york is gonna complain she tried to rape her, yes ?